00:00:07.161 --> 00:00:12.599 Uh, I'll call this meeting to order. Uh, let's start with, uh, 00:00:12.601 --> 00:00:13.867 order. Uh, let's start with, uh, first item of business, uh, 00:00:13.869 --> 00:00:19.806 first item of business, uh, roll call. Chair Kevin, 00:00:19.808 --> 00:00:23.477 roll call. Chair Kevin, President. Commissioner Wacko 00:00:23.479 --> 00:00:28.148 President. Commissioner Wacko present. Commissioner Barr. 00:00:28.150 --> 00:00:32.152 present. Commissioner Barr. Commissioner Coroso. 00:00:32.154 --> 00:00:34.321 Commissioner Coroso. Commissioner Freer. 00:00:34.323 --> 00:00:40.094 Commissioner Freer. Commissioner Araja. 00:00:40.096 --> 00:00:42.562 Commissioner Araja. Commissioner Odama. 00:00:42.564 --> 00:00:45.699 Commissioner Odama. Commissioner get by. it 00:00:45.701 --> 00:00:48.836 Commissioner get by. it Commissioner Turner. council 00:00:48.838 --> 00:00:53.540 Commissioner Turner. council member McGarvey. Prison. You 00:00:53.542 --> 00:00:55.242 member McGarvey. Prison. You have a car, awesome. All right, 00:00:55.244 --> 00:00:56.643 have a car, awesome. All right, let's, uh, stand for the Pledge 00:00:56.645 --> 00:01:03.016 let's, uh, stand for the Pledge of allegiance. I pledge 00:01:03.018 --> 00:01:04.918 of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:06.519 allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to 00:01:06.521 --> 00:01:08.255 United States of America and to the republic for which it 00:01:08.257 --> 00:01:10.790 the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, 00:01:10.792 --> 00:01:12.593 stands, one nation, under God, in the business with liberty 00:01:12.595 --> 00:01:22.136 in the business with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. 00:01:22.138 --> 00:01:24.271 and justice for all. Thank you. 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Or if participating remotely, 00:01:43.292 --> 00:01:45.225 Or if participating remotely, turn on your camera, speak into 00:01:45.227 --> 00:01:47.594 turn on your camera, speak into the microphone stating your 00:01:47.596 --> 00:01:49.296 the microphone stating your full name and address. Please 00:01:49.298 --> 00:01:51.098 full name and address. Please sign the public hearing. 00:01:51.100 --> 00:01:53.033 sign the public hearing. Logbook on the table near the 00:01:53.035 --> 00:01:53.834 Logbook on the table near the entrance to the council 00:01:53.836 --> 00:01:57.504 entrance to the council chambers. If you are attending, 00:01:57.506 --> 00:01:58.972 chambers. If you are attending, uh, in person to ensure 00:01:58.974 --> 00:02:00.640 uh, in person to ensure accuracy of name and address in 00:02:00.642 --> 00:02:02.943 accuracy of name and address in the public record. Please note 00:02:02.945 --> 00:02:04.711 the public record. Please note that the agenda for tonight's 00:02:04.713 --> 00:02:05.912 that the agenda for tonight's meeting indicates that the 00:02:05.914 --> 00:02:07.848 meeting indicates that the commission chair has the 00:02:07.850 --> 00:02:09.249 commission chair has the prerogative to invoke a time 00:02:09.251 --> 00:02:10.850 prerogative to invoke a time limit for speakers during any 00:02:10.852 --> 00:02:12.586 limit for speakers during any public hearing in the interest 00:02:12.588 --> 00:02:14.154 public hearing in the interest of maintaining focus and 00:02:14.156 --> 00:02:15.923 of maintaining focus and effective use of time. Thank 00:02:15.925 --> 00:02:16.790 effective use of time. Thank you in advance for your 00:02:16.792 --> 00:02:20.194 you in advance for your cooperation. The planning 00:02:20.196 --> 00:02:21.728 cooperation. The planning commission consists of 11 00:02:21.730 --> 00:02:23.463 commission consists of 11 resident volunteer members. Two 00:02:23.465 --> 00:02:25.265 resident volunteer members. Two of which are young adult 00:02:25.267 --> 00:02:26.599 of which are young adult members appointed by the city 00:02:26.601 --> 00:02:27.935 members appointed by the city council to advise the city 00:02:27.937 --> 00:02:29.536 council to advise the city council on planning and land 00:02:29.538 --> 00:02:34.140 council on planning and land use issues. The Commission 00:02:34.142 --> 00:02:35.342 use issues. The Commission discusses and evaluates 00:02:35.344 --> 00:02:37.611 discusses and evaluates development proposals based on 00:02:37.613 --> 00:02:39.079 development proposals based on zoning regulations and 00:02:39.081 --> 00:02:40.481 zoning regulations and comprehensive plan policies. 00:02:40.483 --> 00:02:42.849 comprehensive plan policies. The planning commission vote is 00:02:42.851 --> 00:02:43.884 The planning commission vote is a recommendation that is 00:02:43.886 --> 00:02:46.220 a recommendation that is forwarded to the city council 00:02:46.222 --> 00:02:49.890 forwarded to the city council for official and final action. 00:02:49.892 --> 00:02:52.292 for official and final action. All right, we'll move to the 00:02:52.294 --> 00:02:54.828 All right, we'll move to the next agenda item 3.0, approval 00:02:54.830 --> 00:02:58.832 next agenda item 3.0, approval of the agenda, um. Are there 00:02:58.834 --> 00:02:59.900 of the agenda, um. Are there any additions or changes to the 00:02:59.902 --> 00:03:07.708 any additions or changes to the agenda. in any, uh, can I get a 00:03:07.710 --> 00:03:09.175 agenda. in any, uh, can I get a motion to approve the agenda 00:03:09.177 --> 00:03:10.910 motion to approve the agenda and make a motion to. of the 00:03:10.912 --> 00:03:15.315 and make a motion to. of the agenda. Second, I like, right, 00:03:15.317 --> 00:03:17.384 agenda. Second, I like, right, the motion has been made. It 00:03:17.386 --> 00:03:19.986 the motion has been made. It has been 2nd, um, any further 00:03:19.988 --> 00:03:23.924 has been 2nd, um, any further discussions? Let's quote all in 00:03:23.926 --> 00:03:27.193 discussions? Let's quote all in favor. Say aye, aye. Any polls 00:03:27.195 --> 00:03:31.731 favor. Say aye, aye. Any polls All right. Motion carries. Next 00:03:31.733 --> 00:03:34.067 All right. Motion carries. Next agenda item is the consent 00:03:34.069 --> 00:03:36.936 agenda item is the consent agenda, uh, Are there any uh 00:03:36.938 --> 00:03:42.375 agenda, uh, Are there any uh changes to the consent agenda. 00:03:42.377 --> 00:03:45.244 changes to the consent agenda. Not seeing any uh Can I get a 00:03:45.246 --> 00:03:46.679 Not seeing any uh Can I get a motion for approval of the 00:03:46.681 --> 00:03:52.152 motion for approval of the consent agenda. All right, it's 00:03:52.154 --> 00:03:54.287 consent agenda. All right, it's been moved, uh, second. All 00:03:54.289 --> 00:03:56.089 been moved, uh, second. All right, motion has been made. It 00:03:56.091 --> 00:03:58.892 right, motion has been made. It has been 2nd, um. Any 00:03:58.894 --> 00:04:02.563 has been 2nd, um. Any discussion? That's in any, uh, 00:04:02.565 --> 00:04:04.764 discussion? That's in any, uh, all in favor, say aye, aye. And 00:04:04.766 --> 00:04:09.169 all in favor, say aye, aye. And pose? All right, uh, motion 00:04:09.171 --> 00:04:12.039 pose? All right, uh, motion carries, we'll move to the next 00:04:12.041 --> 00:04:13.707 carries, we'll move to the next agenda item, which is item. 4.1. 00:04:13.709 --> 00:04:20.046 agenda item, which is item. 4.1. 5.1. Good evening, Chair Haven 00:04:20.048 --> 00:04:21.181 5.1. Good evening, Chair Haven and members of the planning 00:04:21.183 --> 00:04:22.515 and members of the planning commission. For the record, 00:04:22.517 --> 00:04:24.417 commission. For the record, Aaron McDermott, senior planner 00:04:24.419 --> 00:04:25.952 Aaron McDermott, senior planner with the planning division, 00:04:25.954 --> 00:04:30.323 with the planning division, presenting preliminary plaque 00:04:30.325 --> 00:04:31.258 presenting preliminary plaque case number 2412048708 00:04:31.260 --> 00:04:32.526 case number 2412048708 Greenhaven Drive, subdividing 00:04:32.528 --> 00:04:34.260 Greenhaven Drive, subdividing the parcel address to 8708 00:04:34.262 --> 00:04:35.996 the parcel address to 8708 Greenhaven Drive. The site is 00:04:35.998 --> 00:04:37.330 Greenhaven Drive. The site is located on the west side of the 00:04:37.332 --> 00:04:39.866 located on the west side of the city, south of Oso and west of 00:04:39.868 --> 00:04:41.468 city, south of Oso and west of Bono Boulevard. The applicant 00:04:41.470 --> 00:04:43.536 Bono Boulevard. The applicant is requesting approval of a 00:04:43.538 --> 00:04:45.005 is requesting approval of a preliminary subdividing a 00:04:45.007 --> 00:04:46.607 preliminary subdividing a single-family residential lot 00:04:46.609 --> 00:04:47.140 single-family residential lot into 3 single-family 00:04:47.142 --> 00:04:50.310 into 3 single-family residential lots. The subject 00:04:50.312 --> 00:04:52.746 residential lots. The subject property of 8708 Greenhaven 00:04:52.748 --> 00:04:54.414 property of 8708 Greenhaven Drive is 1.18 acres and abutts 00:04:54.416 --> 00:04:55.081 Drive is 1.18 acres and abutts residential properties on all 00:04:55.083 --> 00:04:59.019 residential properties on all sides. The property is adjacent 00:04:59.021 --> 00:05:01.087 sides. The property is adjacent to 2 residential streets, which 00:05:01.089 --> 00:05:02.155 to 2 residential streets, which are Greenhaven Drive to the 00:05:02.157 --> 00:05:03.290 are Greenhaven Drive to the south and Mount Curve Boulevard 00:05:03.292 --> 00:05:07.827 south and Mount Curve Boulevard to the east. The site is zoned 00:05:07.829 --> 00:05:09.028 to the east. The site is zoned R1, detached single-family 00:05:09.030 --> 00:05:11.298 R1, detached single-family estate district, as are all of 00:05:11.300 --> 00:05:13.700 estate district, as are all of the adjacent properties across 00:05:13.702 --> 00:05:15.168 the adjacent properties across from Bono Boulevard is B2 00:05:15.170 --> 00:05:16.503 from Bono Boulevard is B2 General Business, and there is 00:05:16.505 --> 00:05:21.641 General Business, and there is a park to the south. Shown here 00:05:21.643 --> 00:05:23.510 a park to the south. Shown here is the existing Woodhill Ward 00:05:23.512 --> 00:05:24.978 is the existing Woodhill Ward Hill Edition, subject property 00:05:24.980 --> 00:05:26.580 Hill Edition, subject property is shown here as lot 6, block 1. 00:05:26.582 --> 00:05:29.649 is shown here as lot 6, block 1. The landowner who applied for 00:05:29.651 --> 00:05:32.151 The landowner who applied for the Ward Hill edition in 1983, 00:05:32.153 --> 00:05:33.053 the Ward Hill edition in 1983, maintained the ownership of 00:05:33.055 --> 00:05:36.456 maintained the ownership of this lot, this house predates 00:05:36.458 --> 00:05:38.792 this lot, this house predates the existing subdivision. Which 00:05:38.794 --> 00:05:40.794 the existing subdivision. Which is why this property is larger 00:05:40.796 --> 00:05:43.463 is why this property is larger in size and has a abnormal 00:05:43.465 --> 00:05:44.130 in size and has a abnormal shape compared to the other 00:05:44.132 --> 00:05:49.269 shape compared to the other lots. The preliminary plant as 00:05:49.271 --> 00:05:50.002 lots. The preliminary plant as propose is shown here, and it 00:05:50.004 --> 00:05:53.673 propose is shown here, and it shows. Um, that all of the 00:05:53.675 --> 00:05:55.075 shows. Um, that all of the properties that are engaged in 00:05:55.077 --> 00:05:56.943 properties that are engaged in the subdivision, uh, meet all 00:05:56.945 --> 00:05:57.544 the subdivision, uh, meet all of the minimum standards 00:05:57.546 --> 00:05:59.946 of the minimum standards required by the zoning 00:05:59.948 --> 00:06:01.014 required by the zoning ordinance with setbacks marked 00:06:01.016 --> 00:06:01.881 ordinance with setbacks marked by the Bill 2 line on the latte. 00:06:01.883 --> 00:06:05.218 by the Bill 2 line on the latte. There is a driveway shown that 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:07.220 There is a driveway shown that crosses all three lots that is 00:06:07.222 --> 00:06:09.189 crosses all three lots that is required to be removed at the 00:06:09.191 --> 00:06:10.557 required to be removed at the time of final pla or like with 00:06:10.559 --> 00:06:12.693 time of final pla or like with the filing of the final plot 00:06:12.695 --> 00:06:13.693 the filing of the final plot before construction, um, 00:06:13.695 --> 00:06:15.228 before construction, um, because the city cannot permit 00:06:15.230 --> 00:06:16.296 because the city cannot permit the creation of a nonconformity. 00:06:16.298 --> 00:06:20.233 the creation of a nonconformity. The residential structure and 00:06:20.235 --> 00:06:21.635 The residential structure and detach accessory structure meet 00:06:21.637 --> 00:06:22.635 detach accessory structure meet all setback requirements on lot 00:06:22.637 --> 00:06:25.772 all setback requirements on lot one. Um, and lot 2 and 3 meet 00:06:25.774 --> 00:06:28.575 one. Um, and lot 2 and 3 meet all size requirements. Staff 00:06:28.577 --> 00:06:30.143 all size requirements. Staff recommends the approval of this 00:06:30.145 --> 00:06:30.710 recommends the approval of this preliminary plot with 00:06:30.712 --> 00:06:32.112 preliminary plot with conditions as listed in the 00:06:32.114 --> 00:06:34.514 conditions as listed in the draft resolution. Um, staff was 00:06:34.516 --> 00:06:35.782 draft resolution. Um, staff was made aware earlier today that 00:06:35.784 --> 00:06:37.250 made aware earlier today that there was a conversation with 00:06:37.252 --> 00:06:38.718 there was a conversation with property owners in this 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.719 property owners in this neighborhood with our 00:06:39.721 --> 00:06:40.386 neighborhood with our neighborhood health specialist 00:06:40.388 --> 00:06:42.021 neighborhood health specialist Brittany Dunn. I understand 00:06:42.023 --> 00:06:43.490 Brittany Dunn. I understand that there may be concerns that 00:06:43.492 --> 00:06:44.657 that there may be concerns that residents may wish to discuss 00:06:44.659 --> 00:06:46.126 residents may wish to discuss tonight, but as this public 00:06:46.128 --> 00:06:47.861 tonight, but as this public hearing is solely for the 00:06:47.863 --> 00:06:48.594 hearing is solely for the discussion of this subdivision. 00:06:48.596 --> 00:06:50.263 discussion of this subdivision. I would like to invite 00:06:50.265 --> 00:06:51.665 I would like to invite residents with other topics to 00:06:51.667 --> 00:06:53.333 residents with other topics to discuss to please sign up for a 00:06:53.335 --> 00:06:54.200 discuss to please sign up for a neighborhood meeting. Um, 00:06:54.202 --> 00:06:55.869 neighborhood meeting. Um, there's a sign up sheet on the 00:06:55.871 --> 00:06:59.539 there's a sign up sheet on the table by the doors. Um We will 00:06:59.541 --> 00:07:01.941 table by the doors. Um We will set up a meeting with more 00:07:01.943 --> 00:07:02.743 set up a meeting with more accommodating setting to 00:07:02.745 --> 00:07:04.077 accommodating setting to discuss all of these concerns 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:04.811 discuss all of these concerns with our neighborhood health 00:07:04.813 --> 00:07:08.448 with our neighborhood health team. Um, and these are the 00:07:08.450 --> 00:07:10.450 team. Um, and these are the sign up is next to the 00:07:10.452 --> 00:07:11.618 sign up is next to the Northwest Growth Area Plan open 00:07:11.620 --> 00:07:13.787 Northwest Growth Area Plan open house. Again, this open or this 00:07:13.789 --> 00:07:16.289 house. Again, this open or this public hearing is solely for 00:07:16.291 --> 00:07:17.691 public hearing is solely for the subdivision of 8708 00:07:17.693 --> 00:07:22.362 the subdivision of 8708 Greenhaven Drive. Thank you. 00:07:22.364 --> 00:07:25.832 Greenhaven Drive. Thank you. Thank you. Um, We will open 00:07:25.834 --> 00:07:29.035 Thank you. Um, We will open this up for, uh, the, uh, 00:07:29.037 --> 00:07:30.536 this up for, uh, the, uh, public to speak to the item. 00:07:30.538 --> 00:07:32.172 public to speak to the item. Anyone from the public like to 00:07:32.174 --> 00:07:34.774 Anyone from the public like to address? Planning commission, 00:07:34.776 --> 00:07:36.443 address? Planning commission, please go to the podium, state 00:07:36.445 --> 00:07:57.597 please go to the podium, state your name and address. Uh, good 00:07:57.599 --> 00:07:59.466 your name and address. Uh, good evening. My name is Nicole 00:07:59.468 --> 00:08:03.803 evening. My name is Nicole Jones. I live on um Greenhaven 00:08:03.805 --> 00:08:07.807 Jones. I live on um Greenhaven Drive and um We, I just learned 00:08:07.809 --> 00:08:13.947 Drive and um We, I just learned about this. plan to divide. Um, 00:08:13.949 --> 00:08:17.550 about this. plan to divide. Um, this plot into 3. And I don't 00:08:17.552 --> 00:08:19.219 this plot into 3. And I don't know if we get to vote on that 00:08:19.221 --> 00:08:21.221 know if we get to vote on that or not, but I don't agree with 00:08:21.223 --> 00:08:22.822 or not, but I don't agree with it. I don't think it just, it 00:08:22.824 --> 00:08:26.827 it. I don't think it just, it just came out of the blue, um, 00:08:26.829 --> 00:08:28.228 just came out of the blue, um, The area surrounding the 00:08:28.230 --> 00:08:30.831 The area surrounding the neighborhood um is changing, uh, 00:08:30.833 --> 00:08:32.665 neighborhood um is changing, uh, with no thought or connection 00:08:32.667 --> 00:08:34.568 with no thought or connection to wildlife and green space. I 00:08:34.570 --> 00:08:36.569 to wildlife and green space. I moved here for the green space 00:08:36.571 --> 00:08:39.706 moved here for the green space within the city. Um, as 00:08:39.708 --> 00:08:40.841 within the city. Um, as developers gobble up green 00:08:40.843 --> 00:08:43.576 developers gobble up green spaces, we are forced to live 00:08:43.578 --> 00:08:45.245 spaces, we are forced to live in urban areas that once were 00:08:45.247 --> 00:08:49.749 in urban areas that once were filled with beauty. Um The 00:08:49.751 --> 00:08:51.117 filled with beauty. Um The person that is applying for to 00:08:51.119 --> 00:08:54.254 person that is applying for to break it up into 3 plots bought 00:08:54.256 --> 00:08:56.990 break it up into 3 plots bought a 100 year old house with green 00:08:56.992 --> 00:09:00.260 a 100 year old house with green space. That is probably Way 00:09:00.262 --> 00:09:03.863 space. That is probably Way older. Then, before the house 00:09:03.865 --> 00:09:05.198 older. Then, before the house was even built, that place was 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.935 was even built, that place was there. Um Removing and chopping 00:09:08.937 --> 00:09:11.337 there. Um Removing and chopping away at the space to put 3 00:09:11.339 --> 00:09:12.939 away at the space to put 3 plots on it will encroach upon 00:09:12.941 --> 00:09:15.475 plots on it will encroach upon the neighbors. Destroy the 00:09:15.477 --> 00:09:17.410 the neighbors. Destroy the habitat and change. The makeup 00:09:17.412 --> 00:09:21.481 habitat and change. The makeup of the neighborhood. Greenhaven 00:09:21.483 --> 00:09:22.682 of the neighborhood. Greenhaven is a sanctuary from the hustle 00:09:22.684 --> 00:09:24.284 is a sanctuary from the hustle and bustle of the city. Most 00:09:24.286 --> 00:09:25.485 and bustle of the city. Most people don't even know that 00:09:25.487 --> 00:09:28.488 people don't even know that it's there. When you come into 00:09:28.490 --> 00:09:30.156 it's there. When you come into our neighborhood, it's quiet, 00:09:30.158 --> 00:09:31.925 our neighborhood, it's quiet, it's beautiful. We have 00:09:31.927 --> 00:09:33.159 it's beautiful. We have wildlife that once you start 00:09:33.161 --> 00:09:36.096 wildlife that once you start tearing it up, We lose all that. 00:09:36.098 --> 00:09:42.368 tearing it up, We lose all that. I don't know why somebody would 00:09:42.370 --> 00:09:44.570 I don't know why somebody would want to move here. To our 00:09:44.572 --> 00:09:48.908 want to move here. To our neighborhood. To break it up. 00:09:48.910 --> 00:09:52.511 neighborhood. To break it up. And destroy all that. It's very 00:09:52.513 --> 00:09:57.784 And destroy all that. It's very emotional. It's not just A 00:09:57.786 --> 00:09:59.185 emotional. It's not just A bunch of people living Harry 00:09:59.187 --> 00:10:02.055 bunch of people living Harry Carey. We're just we're. We 00:10:02.057 --> 00:10:06.393 Carey. We're just we're. We want to maintain That Um, I 00:10:06.395 --> 00:10:08.261 want to maintain That Um, I consider this to be urban 00:10:08.263 --> 00:10:10.229 consider this to be urban sprawl coming into our 00:10:10.231 --> 00:10:11.331 sprawl coming into our neighborhood, um, and once the 00:10:11.333 --> 00:10:13.466 neighborhood, um, and once the damage is done, there's no 00:10:13.468 --> 00:10:16.502 damage is done, there's no return to that quiet. that 00:10:16.504 --> 00:10:18.605 return to that quiet. that beauty and a space for the 00:10:18.607 --> 00:10:20.539 beauty and a space for the animals, for us to step outside 00:10:20.541 --> 00:10:22.141 animals, for us to step outside that door and be in the middle 00:10:22.143 --> 00:10:23.343 that door and be in the middle of the wildlife, the turkeys, 00:10:23.345 --> 00:10:27.747 of the wildlife, the turkeys, the The woodpeckers, the Even 00:10:27.749 --> 00:10:29.148 the The woodpeckers, the Even the coyote and we'll lose that. 00:10:29.150 --> 00:10:30.817 the coyote and we'll lose that. We have enough of that with 81 00:10:30.819 --> 00:10:32.752 We have enough of that with 81 is being gobbled up. As we 00:10:32.754 --> 00:10:35.488 is being gobbled up. As we speak, we see it all the trees 00:10:35.490 --> 00:10:36.690 speak, we see it all the trees and all that being taken away. 00:10:36.692 --> 00:10:41.060 and all that being taken away. So. I hope there's a chance. 00:10:41.062 --> 00:10:42.495 So. I hope there's a chance. That this isn't already decided 00:10:42.497 --> 00:10:44.897 That this isn't already decided to allow this to happen because 00:10:44.899 --> 00:10:47.700 to allow this to happen because it's not just one person. 00:10:47.702 --> 00:10:49.602 it's not just one person. Living there. It's a whole 00:10:49.604 --> 00:10:50.637 Living there. It's a whole community, and it's important 00:10:50.639 --> 00:11:02.983 community, and it's important to us. That's all I have. All 00:11:02.985 --> 00:11:03.983 to us. That's all I have. All right. Anyone else, uh, would 00:11:03.985 --> 00:11:16.596 right. Anyone else, uh, would like to speak to this, Adam? 00:11:16.598 --> 00:11:17.997 like to speak to this, Adam? Hello, my name is Tasha Paika, 00:11:17.999 --> 00:11:20.400 Hello, my name is Tasha Paika, and I also live on Green Haven 00:11:20.402 --> 00:11:22.068 and I also live on Green Haven Drive, um, I've had the 00:11:22.070 --> 00:11:24.270 Drive, um, I've had the opportunity to live there for 00:11:24.272 --> 00:11:26.338 opportunity to live there for about 8 years now, and as 00:11:26.340 --> 00:11:30.076 about 8 years now, and as Nicole did say, it is a little 00:11:30.078 --> 00:11:31.344 Nicole did say, it is a little sanctuary in the urban area 00:11:31.346 --> 00:11:35.281 sanctuary in the urban area that we now live in. Uh, it's 00:11:35.283 --> 00:11:36.883 that we now live in. Uh, it's like coming home and not just 00:11:36.885 --> 00:11:40.153 like coming home and not just our house, but the area. Our 00:11:40.155 --> 00:11:41.754 our house, but the area. Our neighbors are very close, um, 00:11:41.756 --> 00:11:43.189 neighbors are very close, um, we consider each other family. 00:11:43.191 --> 00:11:47.427 we consider each other family. We are there for each other by 00:11:47.429 --> 00:11:49.796 We are there for each other by dividing up this neighborhood 00:11:49.798 --> 00:11:52.165 dividing up this neighborhood and this plot just brings in 00:11:52.167 --> 00:11:55.167 and this plot just brings in more and more. Development that 00:11:55.169 --> 00:11:56.369 more and more. Development that doesn't need to be done in this 00:11:56.371 --> 00:12:01.140 doesn't need to be done in this area. Unfortunately, Greenhaven 00:12:01.142 --> 00:12:04.077 area. Unfortunately, Greenhaven Drive is considered now a main 00:12:04.079 --> 00:12:05.979 Drive is considered now a main thoroughfare because it 00:12:05.981 --> 00:12:08.915 thoroughfare because it connects Brooklyn Boulevard and 00:12:08.917 --> 00:12:10.784 connects Brooklyn Boulevard and '81. And unfortunately, nobody 00:12:10.786 --> 00:12:13.386 '81. And unfortunately, nobody has ever seem to do anything 00:12:13.388 --> 00:12:14.254 has ever seem to do anything about this becoming a main 00:12:14.256 --> 00:12:17.590 about this becoming a main thoroughfare. Adding more 00:12:17.592 --> 00:12:19.058 thoroughfare. Adding more houses and more development to 00:12:19.060 --> 00:12:21.961 houses and more development to this neighborhood is only going 00:12:21.963 --> 00:12:23.997 this neighborhood is only going to increase the traffic and we 00:12:23.999 --> 00:12:25.531 to increase the traffic and we have children who are wanting 00:12:25.533 --> 00:12:28.734 have children who are wanting to walk. They are wanting to 00:12:28.736 --> 00:12:30.804 to walk. They are wanting to ride their bikes by splitting 00:12:30.806 --> 00:12:33.539 ride their bikes by splitting this up, it's only going to 00:12:33.541 --> 00:12:35.075 this up, it's only going to increase the likelihood of 00:12:35.077 --> 00:12:40.079 increase the likelihood of injury, not to mention the the 00:12:40.081 --> 00:12:44.684 injury, not to mention the the quietness that we have there. 00:12:44.686 --> 00:12:47.987 quietness that we have there. 8609 Greenhaven Drive. is 00:12:47.989 --> 00:12:49.455 8609 Greenhaven Drive. is slated for residential. However, 00:12:49.457 --> 00:12:50.490 slated for residential. However, there is a business running out 00:12:50.492 --> 00:12:54.360 there is a business running out of there. We have so much 00:12:54.362 --> 00:12:56.562 of there. We have so much traffic because of that one 00:12:56.564 --> 00:12:58.531 traffic because of that one business in a residential area 00:12:58.533 --> 00:13:00.933 business in a residential area that I'm afraid that once we 00:13:00.935 --> 00:13:02.368 that I'm afraid that once we start dividing this up, these 00:13:02.370 --> 00:13:04.403 start dividing this up, these other plats, we're just gonna 00:13:04.405 --> 00:13:07.240 other plats, we're just gonna add more traffic. It's already 00:13:07.242 --> 00:13:09.375 add more traffic. It's already difficult with so many people 00:13:09.377 --> 00:13:12.111 difficult with so many people parking on the street. If we 00:13:12.113 --> 00:13:14.113 parking on the street. If we start adding more, that just 00:13:14.115 --> 00:13:16.449 start adding more, that just increases the danger to our 00:13:16.451 --> 00:13:19.252 increases the danger to our children, to our pets, to our 00:13:19.254 --> 00:13:22.321 children, to our pets, to our family. I beg of you to please 00:13:22.323 --> 00:13:25.525 family. I beg of you to please reconsider this. It is not in 00:13:25.527 --> 00:13:27.593 reconsider this. It is not in the best interest of our 00:13:27.595 --> 00:13:29.929 the best interest of our neighborhood, and I want you to 00:13:29.931 --> 00:13:31.864 neighborhood, and I want you to please try to keep the best 00:13:31.866 --> 00:13:33.332 please try to keep the best interest of the neighborhood 00:13:33.334 --> 00:13:46.712 interest of the neighborhood and of the community in mind. 00:13:46.714 --> 00:13:48.615 and of the community in mind. Anyone else from the public to 00:13:48.617 --> 00:14:07.566 Anyone else from the public to speak. Hi, my name's Tom 00:14:07.568 --> 00:14:10.836 speak. Hi, my name's Tom Campbell, uh, I live on Mount 00:14:10.838 --> 00:14:11.571 Campbell, uh, I live on Mount Kerr 8149 Mount Curve Boulevard. 00:14:11.573 --> 00:14:15.174 Kerr 8149 Mount Curve Boulevard. My wife and I have lived there 00:14:15.176 --> 00:14:20.012 My wife and I have lived there since 1972. It was gravel. Uh, 00:14:20.014 --> 00:14:21.447 since 1972. It was gravel. Uh, a lot of the lots were, were 00:14:21.449 --> 00:14:24.917 a lot of the lots were, were empty. Once they put in the 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:27.153 empty. Once they put in the tire and the, and the 00:14:27.155 --> 00:14:28.121 tire and the, and the improvements they couldn't have 00:14:28.123 --> 00:14:29.189 improvements they couldn't have people couldn't afford to own 00:14:29.191 --> 00:14:30.189 people couldn't afford to own those lots anymore and pay 00:14:30.191 --> 00:14:31.590 those lots anymore and pay taxes on them, so they all got 00:14:31.592 --> 00:14:35.061 taxes on them, so they all got built. But this, that was done. 00:14:35.063 --> 00:14:36.495 built. But this, that was done. That was supposed to be the the 00:14:36.497 --> 00:14:39.332 That was supposed to be the the end of the build. All the lots 00:14:39.334 --> 00:14:40.532 end of the build. All the lots that are there now are supposed 00:14:40.534 --> 00:14:45.471 that are there now are supposed to be as they are. And Nicole 00:14:45.473 --> 00:14:48.875 to be as they are. And Nicole said it perfectly. It's our 00:14:48.877 --> 00:14:50.876 said it perfectly. It's our quiet little neighborhood. And 00:14:50.878 --> 00:14:55.414 quiet little neighborhood. And uh Now you're chopping up the, 00:14:55.416 --> 00:14:56.282 uh Now you're chopping up the, the pieces that weren't 00:14:56.284 --> 00:14:58.618 the pieces that weren't supposed to be chopped. They're 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:00.620 supposed to be chopped. They're all supposed to be 100 ft in 00:15:00.622 --> 00:15:02.622 all supposed to be 100 ft in the front, big lots. That's how 00:15:02.624 --> 00:15:08.094 the front, big lots. That's how it's all supposed to be. So I 00:15:08.096 --> 00:15:19.105 it's all supposed to be. So I hope you don't do this. Anyone 00:15:19.107 --> 00:15:26.713 hope you don't do this. Anyone else? All right, uh, we will 00:15:26.715 --> 00:15:28.514 else? All right, uh, we will close the public portion of uh 00:15:28.516 --> 00:15:39.425 close the public portion of uh this, oh, I'm sorry, just. Uh, 00:15:39.427 --> 00:15:41.761 this, oh, I'm sorry, just. Uh, my name is John Ward. Uh, I 00:15:41.763 --> 00:15:44.697 my name is John Ward. Uh, I live on Mount Curve Boulevard. 00:15:44.699 --> 00:15:46.332 live on Mount Curve Boulevard. And um I guess more 00:15:46.334 --> 00:15:48.601 And um I guess more specifically, grew up in the 00:15:48.603 --> 00:15:50.436 specifically, grew up in the house that uh is being 00:15:50.438 --> 00:15:52.271 house that uh is being discussed here and on those 00:15:52.273 --> 00:15:55.808 discussed here and on those lots, um. That was my family's 00:15:55.810 --> 00:16:01.747 lots, um. That was my family's um, Childhood home and uh. And, 00:16:01.749 --> 00:16:03.148 um, Childhood home and uh. And, uh, and about a year or so ago, 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:05.218 uh, and about a year or so ago, um. The person who owns it now 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:08.487 um. The person who owns it now bought it. And in any case, 00:16:08.489 --> 00:16:09.154 bought it. And in any case, circumstances being what they 00:16:09.156 --> 00:16:11.824 circumstances being what they are in their own life. She made 00:16:11.826 --> 00:16:13.759 are in their own life. She made a decision to do what's on the 00:16:13.761 --> 00:16:16.095 a decision to do what's on the board here and that is to cut 00:16:16.097 --> 00:16:18.964 board here and that is to cut this uh property into 3 lots. 00:16:18.966 --> 00:16:22.435 this uh property into 3 lots. And I'm, I, I appreciate the 00:16:22.437 --> 00:16:23.969 And I'm, I, I appreciate the passion and um and, and agree 00:16:23.971 --> 00:16:27.173 passion and um and, and agree with a lot of what's been said 00:16:27.175 --> 00:16:27.973 with a lot of what's been said here tonight about the 00:16:27.975 --> 00:16:29.709 here tonight about the neighborhood. It's a great 00:16:29.711 --> 00:16:32.245 neighborhood. It's a great neighborhood. I've lived there. 00:16:32.247 --> 00:16:36.315 neighborhood. I've lived there. Most of my life, um, And, and 00:16:36.317 --> 00:16:37.383 Most of my life, um, And, and they also agree that it's not 00:16:37.385 --> 00:16:38.785 they also agree that it's not for this meeting, but there are 00:16:38.787 --> 00:16:39.985 for this meeting, but there are other things, other issues that 00:16:39.987 --> 00:16:41.720 other things, other issues that we do need to deal with as a 00:16:41.722 --> 00:16:43.188 we do need to deal with as a neighborhood, and I think we 00:16:43.190 --> 00:16:45.991 neighborhood, and I think we are going to, we're going to 00:16:45.993 --> 00:16:47.927 are going to, we're going to deal with some security and 00:16:47.929 --> 00:16:50.363 deal with some security and risk assessment at a meeting on 00:16:50.365 --> 00:16:51.831 risk assessment at a meeting on the 23rd that everybody here 00:16:51.833 --> 00:16:53.866 the 23rd that everybody here from Greenhaven got that uh 00:16:53.868 --> 00:16:55.467 from Greenhaven got that uh invitation from the city, the 00:16:55.469 --> 00:16:56.669 invitation from the city, the police department. So we'll 00:16:56.671 --> 00:16:58.204 police department. So we'll start there and then if there 00:16:58.206 --> 00:16:59.072 start there and then if there are other environmental issues, 00:16:59.074 --> 00:17:01.540 are other environmental issues, as you said, I think we'll 00:17:01.542 --> 00:17:02.942 as you said, I think we'll address those as well, by 00:17:02.944 --> 00:17:04.343 address those as well, by getting this uh neighborhood 00:17:04.345 --> 00:17:05.845 getting this uh neighborhood active as you can see this. of 00:17:05.847 --> 00:17:07.212 active as you can see this. of planning, uh, commission 00:17:07.214 --> 00:17:08.881 planning, uh, commission meeting, which is a consent 00:17:08.883 --> 00:17:10.216 meeting, which is a consent decree, usually these things 00:17:10.218 --> 00:17:11.417 decree, usually these things are pretty much rubber stamps. 00:17:11.419 --> 00:17:13.286 are pretty much rubber stamps. You've got a lot of people from 00:17:13.288 --> 00:17:14.620 You've got a lot of people from the neighborhood here, and I'm 00:17:14.622 --> 00:17:16.489 the neighborhood here, and I'm very happy to see that and so 00:17:16.491 --> 00:17:19.024 very happy to see that and so you as a city and a planning 00:17:19.026 --> 00:17:19.959 you as a city and a planning commission understand when 00:17:19.961 --> 00:17:20.926 commission understand when you're talking about Greenhaven, 00:17:20.928 --> 00:17:22.828 you're talking about Greenhaven, you are talking about a unit of 00:17:22.830 --> 00:17:24.430 you are talking about a unit of people who can get organized 00:17:24.432 --> 00:17:26.665 people who can get organized and will get organized. 00:17:26.667 --> 00:17:27.967 and will get organized. Regarding the what's happening 00:17:27.969 --> 00:17:30.302 Regarding the what's happening with the Watts, um, I suppose 00:17:30.304 --> 00:17:32.171 with the Watts, um, I suppose nobody more than myself and my, 00:17:32.173 --> 00:17:34.006 nobody more than myself and my, my sister Peg is here today too. 00:17:34.008 --> 00:17:35.441 my sister Peg is here today too. She also lives in the 00:17:35.443 --> 00:17:37.509 She also lives in the neighborhood. We purchased lots 00:17:37.511 --> 00:17:38.844 neighborhood. We purchased lots from our parents and put houses 00:17:38.846 --> 00:17:40.279 from our parents and put houses in there. That's how we came to 00:17:40.281 --> 00:17:42.315 in there. That's how we came to be there, and I have a nephew 00:17:42.317 --> 00:17:44.583 be there, and I have a nephew also in, in, in this uh Ward 00:17:44.585 --> 00:17:48.821 also in, in, in this uh Ward Hill edition, now. And um I, I 00:17:48.823 --> 00:17:50.423 Hill edition, now. And um I, I don't think there's a lot that 00:17:50.425 --> 00:17:53.392 don't think there's a lot that can be done about it, honestly, 00:17:53.394 --> 00:17:56.796 can be done about it, honestly, uh, I, I mean about stopping uh 00:17:56.798 --> 00:17:58.764 uh, I, I mean about stopping uh the current owner's plans and, 00:17:58.766 --> 00:18:01.200 the current owner's plans and, uh, moreover, I, I just, I, I 00:18:01.202 --> 00:18:03.002 uh, moreover, I, I just, I, I need to disclose, I guess that 00:18:03.004 --> 00:18:04.270 need to disclose, I guess that we're interested in we being my 00:18:04.272 --> 00:18:08.007 we're interested in we being my wife Teresa. Down here and uh 00:18:08.009 --> 00:18:08.941 wife Teresa. Down here and uh and myself and buying these 00:18:08.943 --> 00:18:13.345 and myself and buying these lots. And uh That's, that's 00:18:13.347 --> 00:18:14.680 lots. And uh That's, that's currently on the table as far 00:18:14.682 --> 00:18:16.715 currently on the table as far as we're concerned, if it all 00:18:16.717 --> 00:18:19.919 as we're concerned, if it all goes forward as planned. We 00:18:19.921 --> 00:18:21.621 goes forward as planned. We will own those lots. So it 00:18:21.623 --> 00:18:23.289 will own those lots. So it depends on where this all ends 00:18:23.291 --> 00:18:27.026 depends on where this all ends up and we won't be. putting any 00:18:27.028 --> 00:18:28.227 up and we won't be. putting any houses on there. I can 00:18:28.229 --> 00:18:32.097 houses on there. I can guarantee you that. So for what 00:18:32.099 --> 00:18:33.232 guarantee you that. So for what that's worth, that's 00:18:33.234 --> 00:18:35.901 that's worth, that's information that, you know, I, 00:18:35.903 --> 00:18:38.371 information that, you know, I, we've been talking to my 00:18:38.373 --> 00:18:40.573 we've been talking to my realtors here as well, uh, uh, 00:18:40.575 --> 00:18:42.975 realtors here as well, uh, uh, and we've been, uh, uh, Ryan 00:18:42.977 --> 00:18:44.510 and we've been, uh, uh, Ryan Quinn, we've been dealing with 00:18:44.512 --> 00:18:46.512 Quinn, we've been dealing with his, uh, with their realtor as 00:18:46.514 --> 00:18:49.782 his, uh, with their realtor as well, um. And so it's, it's 00:18:49.784 --> 00:18:51.016 well, um. And so it's, it's unfolding as it goes, but I 00:18:51.018 --> 00:18:53.052 unfolding as it goes, but I mean, I haven't told really 00:18:53.054 --> 00:18:54.053 mean, I haven't told really anybody before tonight that 00:18:54.055 --> 00:18:56.322 anybody before tonight that that was our plan. It was just 00:18:56.324 --> 00:18:57.790 that was our plan. It was just that was what we wanted to try 00:18:57.792 --> 00:18:58.991 that was what we wanted to try and do and that's what we're 00:18:58.993 --> 00:19:00.860 and do and that's what we're gonna continue to try and do so 00:19:00.862 --> 00:19:01.727 gonna continue to try and do so for whatever that's worth for 00:19:01.729 --> 00:19:04.397 for whatever that's worth for all of you that are here, um, 00:19:04.399 --> 00:19:06.732 all of you that are here, um, that's, that's. Hopefully how 00:19:06.734 --> 00:19:09.535 that's, that's. Hopefully how the future may go. Uh, so 00:19:09.537 --> 00:19:10.937 the future may go. Uh, so that's, that's really it and 00:19:10.939 --> 00:19:13.739 that's, that's really it and our plan is to own the lots and 00:19:13.741 --> 00:19:15.474 our plan is to own the lots and Close the driveway and Leave it 00:19:15.476 --> 00:19:25.751 Close the driveway and Leave it green. Thank you. All right, uh, 00:19:25.753 --> 00:19:31.490 green. Thank you. All right, uh, anyone else? All right, we'll 00:19:31.492 --> 00:19:33.826 anyone else? All right, we'll close the, uh, public portion 00:19:33.828 --> 00:19:37.296 close the, uh, public portion and bring it back to uh the 00:19:37.298 --> 00:19:39.031 and bring it back to uh the commissioner's, uh, any, uh, 00:19:39.033 --> 00:19:50.443 commissioner's, uh, any, uh, commissioner, uh. s um m it s 00:19:50.445 --> 00:19:51.577 commissioner, uh. s um m it s So the current house that's 00:19:51.579 --> 00:19:55.981 So the current house that's there. has access, I'm 00:19:55.983 --> 00:19:57.850 there. has access, I'm clarifying has access to all of 00:19:57.852 --> 00:19:59.919 clarifying has access to all of the, um, via that driveway to 00:19:59.921 --> 00:20:02.187 the, um, via that driveway to all of that space. That's 00:20:02.189 --> 00:20:03.923 all of that space. That's correct. And that is a home. 00:20:03.925 --> 00:20:06.592 correct. And that is a home. That's correct. Private home. 00:20:06.594 --> 00:20:17.403 That's correct. Private home. Yes. OK. Commissioner, 00:20:17.405 --> 00:20:21.139 Yes. OK. Commissioner, Commissioner Turner. Next and 00:20:21.141 --> 00:20:24.010 Commissioner Turner. Next and then you. I'm just looking for 00:20:24.012 --> 00:20:29.949 then you. I'm just looking for some clarity. Um What exactly, 00:20:29.951 --> 00:20:33.051 some clarity. Um What exactly, uh, first of all, thank you. 00:20:33.053 --> 00:20:34.887 uh, first of all, thank you. Thank you all for showing up 00:20:34.889 --> 00:20:37.356 Thank you all for showing up tonight, um, but I'm just a 00:20:37.358 --> 00:20:40.426 tonight, um, but I'm just a little confused as far as The 00:20:40.428 --> 00:20:41.693 little confused as far as The current owner purchased it a 00:20:41.695 --> 00:20:44.896 current owner purchased it a year ago. What was the intent? 00:20:44.898 --> 00:20:46.765 year ago. What was the intent? Is the owner here tonight? What 00:20:46.767 --> 00:20:49.568 Is the owner here tonight? What was the intent when they 00:20:49.570 --> 00:20:50.769 was the intent when they purchased it, because they knew 00:20:50.771 --> 00:20:52.638 purchased it, because they knew the space was there. Was the 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.575 the space was there. Was the intent Was that the intent all 00:20:55.577 --> 00:20:57.977 intent Was that the intent all along? I'm just confused 00:20:57.979 --> 00:20:59.011 along? I'm just confused council member Turner, uh, that 00:20:59.013 --> 00:21:00.446 council member Turner, uh, that was not the intent. I have 00:21:00.448 --> 00:21:01.513 was not the intent. I have spoken at great lengths with 00:21:01.515 --> 00:21:03.316 spoken at great lengths with the property owner and I'm not 00:21:03.318 --> 00:21:06.251 the property owner and I'm not at liberty to discuss the 00:21:06.253 --> 00:21:06.852 at liberty to discuss the personal situation that 00:21:06.854 --> 00:21:08.721 personal situation that resulted in this, however, 00:21:08.723 --> 00:21:11.123 resulted in this, however, there was personal situations 00:21:11.125 --> 00:21:13.058 there was personal situations that she wished to maintain 00:21:13.060 --> 00:21:15.193 that she wished to maintain residence in the home and 00:21:15.195 --> 00:21:16.462 residence in the home and needed to find a way to make 00:21:16.464 --> 00:21:18.897 needed to find a way to make that happen. That that was not 00:21:18.899 --> 00:21:20.066 that happen. That that was not her intent when purchasing this 00:21:20.068 --> 00:21:25.404 her intent when purchasing this lot. Mr. Chair, would you mind 00:21:25.406 --> 00:21:27.740 lot. Mr. Chair, would you mind if I added to that, um, go 00:21:27.742 --> 00:21:32.478 if I added to that, um, go ahead. Chair came in and, um, 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:33.679 ahead. Chair came in and, um, Commissioner Turner, members of 00:21:33.681 --> 00:21:35.147 Commissioner Turner, members of the commission, you know, it's 00:21:35.149 --> 00:21:36.248 the commission, you know, it's also just important to add that, 00:21:36.250 --> 00:21:38.818 also just important to add that, you know, as you know, zoning 00:21:38.820 --> 00:21:40.119 you know, as you know, zoning regulations are independent of 00:21:40.121 --> 00:21:42.221 regulations are independent of ownership of the property, um, 00:21:42.223 --> 00:21:44.390 ownership of the property, um, and that, you know, um, It can 00:21:44.392 --> 00:21:46.958 and that, you know, um, It can be the first corner, the 300th 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:48.761 be the first corner, the 300th owner, um, and the, the owner 00:21:48.763 --> 00:21:50.896 owner, um, and the, the owner after that, uh, those zoning 00:21:50.898 --> 00:21:51.564 after that, uh, those zoning zoning regulations don't go 00:21:51.566 --> 00:21:53.032 zoning regulations don't go with the person, they go with 00:21:53.034 --> 00:21:55.701 with the person, they go with the property, um, and so, you 00:21:55.703 --> 00:21:57.870 the property, um, and so, you know, the, the zoning 00:21:57.872 --> 00:21:59.338 know, the, the zoning regulations, the subdivision 00:21:59.340 --> 00:22:00.840 regulations, the subdivision regulations that that apply 00:22:00.842 --> 00:22:02.508 regulations that that apply here in the Soing district have 00:22:02.510 --> 00:22:03.709 here in the Soing district have essentially been there for 00:22:03.711 --> 00:22:07.379 essentially been there for decades, uh, and this property 00:22:07.381 --> 00:22:09.048 decades, uh, and this property has had um those regulations 00:22:09.050 --> 00:22:11.450 has had um those regulations applied to it for decades, and 00:22:11.452 --> 00:22:12.852 applied to it for decades, and therefore the right. That the 00:22:12.854 --> 00:22:14.753 therefore the right. That the property has, not the person, 00:22:14.755 --> 00:22:16.588 property has, not the person, that the property has to be 00:22:16.590 --> 00:22:17.923 that the property has to be subdivided, uh, according to 00:22:17.925 --> 00:22:19.124 subdivided, uh, according to the regulations of the zoning 00:22:19.126 --> 00:22:21.394 the regulations of the zoning deck, uh, zoning regulations, 00:22:21.396 --> 00:22:22.862 deck, uh, zoning regulations, uh, has been there for a long 00:22:22.864 --> 00:22:24.863 uh, has been there for a long time as well. Um, so it's, you 00:22:24.865 --> 00:22:28.067 time as well. Um, so it's, you know, this is really, um, it's 00:22:28.069 --> 00:22:29.167 know, this is really, um, it's obviously an emotional thing, 00:22:29.169 --> 00:22:31.603 obviously an emotional thing, uh, it's, it's a change to the 00:22:31.605 --> 00:22:34.406 uh, it's, it's a change to the neighborhood, um, but it's 00:22:34.408 --> 00:22:35.741 neighborhood, um, but it's something that is uh from uh 00:22:35.743 --> 00:22:36.875 something that is uh from uh the standpoint of the city and 00:22:36.877 --> 00:22:38.878 the standpoint of the city and your role as a commission is 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:39.945 your role as a commission is quite objective. It doesn't 00:22:39.947 --> 00:22:41.414 quite objective. It doesn't meet the standards or not, uh, 00:22:41.416 --> 00:22:42.214 meet the standards or not, uh, and it does meet the standard. 00:22:42.216 --> 00:22:48.087 and it does meet the standard. s Thank you. sure. OK, bye. 00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:50.222 s Thank you. sure. OK, bye. Yeah, excuse me, and I, I mean, 00:22:50.224 --> 00:22:53.625 Yeah, excuse me, and I, I mean, I should say here. I'm carry 00:22:53.627 --> 00:22:54.993 I should say here. I'm carry everybody saying again, let me 00:22:54.995 --> 00:22:56.896 everybody saying again, let me extend my thanks to you coming 00:22:56.898 --> 00:22:57.963 extend my thanks to you coming to defend your neighborhood. I 00:22:57.965 --> 00:22:59.898 to defend your neighborhood. I mean, I think that's all it's 00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:02.835 mean, I think that's all it's all about. Uh, but what I want 00:23:02.837 --> 00:23:08.574 all about. Uh, but what I want to know truly. Did I, I did, I 00:23:08.576 --> 00:23:10.442 to know truly. Did I, I did, I there buildings on the on the 00:23:10.444 --> 00:23:15.381 there buildings on the on the plots now? Than our 00:23:15.383 --> 00:23:18.083 plots now? Than our commissioner gave there are is 00:23:18.085 --> 00:23:20.018 commissioner gave there are is a structure on lot one, the, 00:23:20.020 --> 00:23:21.653 a structure on lot one, the, the one that is to the furthest 00:23:21.655 --> 00:23:24.323 the one that is to the furthest west. OK. There are no 00:23:24.325 --> 00:23:26.391 west. OK. There are no structures on lots 2 and 3, 00:23:26.393 --> 00:23:27.860 structures on lots 2 and 3, however, the driveway does run 00:23:27.862 --> 00:23:29.595 however, the driveway does run through them, a condition of 00:23:29.597 --> 00:23:32.097 through them, a condition of approval will be to remove that 00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:34.132 approval will be to remove that driveway and reestablish sod or 00:23:34.134 --> 00:23:34.933 driveway and reestablish sod or ground cover in those areas. 00:23:34.935 --> 00:23:38.804 ground cover in those areas. Yeah. OK. OK, so that is the, 00:23:38.806 --> 00:23:40.873 Yeah. OK. OK, so that is the, the, the one way and the 00:23:40.875 --> 00:23:43.341 the, the one way and the further end, that's, that's it. 00:23:43.343 --> 00:23:48.213 further end, that's, that's it. OK. So. They break up. What is 00:23:48.215 --> 00:23:53.552 OK. So. They break up. What is They Main reason for the 00:23:53.554 --> 00:23:55.754 They Main reason for the breaking them up into 3 00:23:55.756 --> 00:23:59.091 breaking them up into 3 different lots. Than our 00:23:59.093 --> 00:24:00.559 different lots. Than our commissioner gave by, um, the, 00:24:00.561 --> 00:24:04.430 commissioner gave by, um, the, the property owner is hoping to 00:24:04.432 --> 00:24:06.899 the property owner is hoping to sell the lots. She would like 00:24:06.901 --> 00:24:09.334 sell the lots. She would like to sell lots. She's going to 00:24:09.336 --> 00:24:10.102 to sell lots. She's going to planning on maintaining 00:24:10.104 --> 00:24:13.172 planning on maintaining ownership of Lot one. And lots 00:24:13.174 --> 00:24:16.041 ownership of Lot one. And lots 2 or 3 and 3, the intent is to 00:24:16.043 --> 00:24:17.642 2 or 3 and 3, the intent is to sell. However, if she chose not 00:24:17.644 --> 00:24:20.312 sell. However, if she chose not to sell, that would also be 00:24:20.314 --> 00:24:22.314 to sell, that would also be valid and she could have just 00:24:22.316 --> 00:24:23.649 valid and she could have just continue owning the 3 lots as 00:24:23.651 --> 00:24:27.386 continue owning the 3 lots as they exist. So our purpose here 00:24:27.388 --> 00:24:30.255 they exist. So our purpose here is to to say to to acknowledge. 00:24:30.257 --> 00:24:31.657 is to to say to to acknowledge. The break of these lots. 00:24:31.659 --> 00:24:40.265 The break of these lots. Correct. Interesting. OK. Uh, 00:24:40.267 --> 00:24:41.733 Correct. Interesting. OK. Uh, sorry, the public portion is 00:24:41.735 --> 00:24:44.203 sorry, the public portion is closed, uh, right now, so. Hm 00:24:44.205 --> 00:24:54.947 closed, uh, right now, so. Hm But Um, First of all, um, I'd 00:24:54.949 --> 00:24:57.148 But Um, First of all, um, I'd like to thank all of you for 00:24:57.150 --> 00:24:59.418 like to thank all of you for coming out and supporting this 00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:02.354 coming out and supporting this cause, uh, but the way I see it 00:25:02.356 --> 00:25:03.421 cause, uh, but the way I see it or the way this whole thing is 00:25:03.423 --> 00:25:05.957 or the way this whole thing is set up. Um, you know, it's, you 00:25:05.959 --> 00:25:11.096 set up. Um, you know, it's, you know, it's like, uh, it's 00:25:11.098 --> 00:25:11.830 know, it's like, uh, it's Complies with the laws of the 00:25:11.832 --> 00:25:15.434 Complies with the laws of the city. Um, the, uh, owner of the 00:25:15.436 --> 00:25:17.970 city. Um, the, uh, owner of the property. Has the right to do 00:25:17.972 --> 00:25:19.170 property. Has the right to do whatever he or she wants to do 00:25:19.172 --> 00:25:21.440 whatever he or she wants to do with their property. Um, you 00:25:21.442 --> 00:25:22.775 with their property. Um, you know, um, I'm, I'm not saying I 00:25:22.777 --> 00:25:23.775 know, um, I'm, I'm not saying I agree with it or I don't agree 00:25:23.777 --> 00:25:26.445 agree with it or I don't agree with it. I'm just saying that 00:25:26.447 --> 00:25:27.913 with it. I'm just saying that the way looking, that is the 00:25:27.915 --> 00:25:29.648 the way looking, that is the law, or that is how, you know, 00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:33.585 law, or that is how, you know, it's, it's setting up. So, um, 00:25:33.587 --> 00:25:35.520 it's, it's setting up. So, um, Uh, maybe like some people say 00:25:35.522 --> 00:25:38.390 Uh, maybe like some people say this is not the the form to, to, 00:25:38.392 --> 00:25:39.791 this is not the the form to, to, to fight this because our task 00:25:39.793 --> 00:25:40.926 to fight this because our task here is very clear, you know, 00:25:40.928 --> 00:25:42.327 here is very clear, you know, we have to take a look at it. 00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:43.662 we have to take a look at it. Does, does it meet the, you 00:25:43.664 --> 00:25:44.997 Does, does it meet the, you know, the criteria, or doesn't 00:25:44.999 --> 00:25:46.532 know, the criteria, or doesn't it? You know, say yes or no, so. 00:25:46.534 --> 00:25:50.736 it? You know, say yes or no, so. If it meets, we, we will have 00:25:50.738 --> 00:25:52.871 If it meets, we, we will have to vote yes or maybe, um, you 00:25:52.873 --> 00:25:57.943 to vote yes or maybe, um, you know, um, have some Uh, uh, was 00:25:57.945 --> 00:26:00.245 know, um, have some Uh, uh, was to, to, to say so that it can 00:26:00.247 --> 00:26:00.879 to, to, to say so that it can be captured in the, in the 00:26:00.881 --> 00:26:04.283 be captured in the, in the minute. Uh, but, uh, I admired 00:26:04.285 --> 00:26:07.152 minute. Uh, but, uh, I admired that, you know, and I really 00:26:07.154 --> 00:26:07.886 that, you know, and I really appreciate that, you know, you 00:26:07.888 --> 00:26:10.089 appreciate that, you know, you know, you guys are taking up 00:26:10.091 --> 00:26:11.890 know, you guys are taking up this fight, and I'm sure, um, 00:26:11.892 --> 00:26:13.225 this fight, and I'm sure, um, they know that, that it'll, you 00:26:13.227 --> 00:26:15.627 they know that, that it'll, you know, you know that some, 00:26:15.629 --> 00:26:17.096 know, you know that some, somehow you'll succeed, but The 00:26:17.098 --> 00:26:20.165 somehow you'll succeed, but The why I say it, it's You know, 00:26:20.167 --> 00:26:24.036 why I say it, it's You know, our, our task is very limited 00:26:24.038 --> 00:26:26.438 our, our task is very limited to yes or no uh business, so 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.440 to yes or no uh business, so thank you very much. I'm, I 00:26:28.442 --> 00:26:37.449 thank you very much. I'm, I apologize. All right, uh, 00:26:37.451 --> 00:26:38.517 apologize. All right, uh, Anyone else from the planning 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:44.055 Anyone else from the planning commission. You want to add 00:26:44.057 --> 00:26:46.891 commission. You want to add something, I'm sorry. Have a 00:26:46.893 --> 00:26:48.927 something, I'm sorry. Have a couple of questions, uh, maybe 00:26:48.929 --> 00:26:50.328 couple of questions, uh, maybe one is that just a comment. 00:26:50.330 --> 00:26:52.597 one is that just a comment. First of all, thank you all for 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.066 First of all, thank you all for coming out. This is very 00:26:54.068 --> 00:26:57.869 coming out. This is very important. And, and it's very 00:26:57.871 --> 00:27:01.473 important. And, and it's very hard to Really hear all the 00:27:01.475 --> 00:27:05.544 hard to Really hear all the story and. And even if it is in 00:27:05.546 --> 00:27:08.213 story and. And even if it is in the rule to really Advance it 00:27:08.215 --> 00:27:10.015 the rule to really Advance it forward when the owner is not 00:27:10.017 --> 00:27:14.286 forward when the owner is not present and And the owner being 00:27:14.288 --> 00:27:15.955 present and And the owner being engaged and I want to be more 00:27:15.957 --> 00:27:18.357 engaged and I want to be more interested to hear. How much 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:19.758 interested to hear. How much the owner get engaged in the 00:27:19.760 --> 00:27:21.760 the owner get engaged in the community in, in, in the 00:27:21.762 --> 00:27:23.562 community in, in, in the neighborhood and, and with this 00:27:23.564 --> 00:27:25.965 neighborhood and, and with this intent and. And reaching out to, 00:27:25.967 --> 00:27:28.467 intent and. And reaching out to, you know, this perceived if 00:27:28.469 --> 00:27:30.101 you know, this perceived if there is any inconvenience that 00:27:30.103 --> 00:27:32.237 there is any inconvenience that might result from this and if 00:27:32.239 --> 00:27:33.705 might result from this and if there is any knowledge on the 00:27:33.707 --> 00:27:38.377 there is any knowledge on the city level. In terms of The 00:27:38.379 --> 00:27:39.177 city level. In terms of The owner engagement with the 00:27:39.179 --> 00:27:41.647 owner engagement with the neighborhood. About the change 00:27:41.649 --> 00:27:45.316 neighborhood. About the change and Uh, from traffic point of 00:27:45.318 --> 00:27:50.055 and Uh, from traffic point of view from Either, uh, any other 00:27:50.057 --> 00:27:50.989 view from Either, uh, any other easements that might result 00:27:50.991 --> 00:27:54.259 easements that might result because of this. Um You know, 00:27:54.261 --> 00:27:56.694 because of this. Um You know, what's, what's, uh, You know, 00:27:56.696 --> 00:27:58.130 what's, what's, uh, You know, if there is any information as 00:27:58.132 --> 00:28:00.532 if there is any information as to, you know, the level of 00:28:00.534 --> 00:28:03.402 to, you know, the level of owner engagement and. The lack 00:28:03.404 --> 00:28:06.805 owner engagement and. The lack of presence today, you know, is, 00:28:06.807 --> 00:28:09.207 of presence today, you know, is, is er Wacko, I appreciate the 00:28:09.209 --> 00:28:12.010 is er Wacko, I appreciate the question, um, there's no 00:28:12.012 --> 00:28:13.479 question, um, there's no requirement for subdivision for 00:28:13.481 --> 00:28:14.279 requirement for subdivision for engaging the neighborhood, um, 00:28:14.281 --> 00:28:17.616 engaging the neighborhood, um, it. It's just not in our code, 00:28:17.618 --> 00:28:19.618 it. It's just not in our code, so as far as I know, the 00:28:19.620 --> 00:28:21.219 so as far as I know, the property owner did not speak to 00:28:21.221 --> 00:28:22.621 property owner did not speak to the neighbors as it is not a 00:28:22.623 --> 00:28:24.423 the neighbors as it is not a requirement, uh, for the 00:28:24.425 --> 00:28:25.424 requirement, uh, for the traffic requirements are the 00:28:25.426 --> 00:28:29.227 traffic requirements are the city. Uh, engineering division 00:28:29.229 --> 00:28:31.096 city. Uh, engineering division did review the edition if the 00:28:31.098 --> 00:28:32.764 did review the edition if the addition of two residential 00:28:32.766 --> 00:28:33.899 addition of two residential structures would increase the 00:28:33.901 --> 00:28:35.567 structures would increase the traffic in this area, and there 00:28:35.569 --> 00:28:37.569 traffic in this area, and there was no concern as to traffic 00:28:37.571 --> 00:28:40.338 was no concern as to traffic counts and increase of traffic, 00:28:40.340 --> 00:28:42.374 counts and increase of traffic, um, the vehicle counts per day, 00:28:42.376 --> 00:28:43.375 um, the vehicle counts per day, did not substantially increase. 00:28:43.377 --> 00:28:48.647 did not substantially increase. Um So that Did that answer all 00:28:48.649 --> 00:28:49.781 Um So that Did that answer all the questions that you had. I 00:28:49.783 --> 00:28:58.724 the questions that you had. I can. Thank you. All right, uh, 00:28:58.726 --> 00:29:03.462 can. Thank you. All right, uh, any other comments, questions? 00:29:03.464 --> 00:29:05.797 any other comments, questions? All right, uh, can I get a 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:24.616 All right, uh, can I get a motion. Commissioner. Yeah Uh, 00:29:24.618 --> 00:29:27.685 motion. Commissioner. Yeah Uh, well, the public portion is uh 00:29:27.687 --> 00:29:29.888 well, the public portion is uh closed, but quickly you can. 00:29:29.890 --> 00:29:33.826 closed, but quickly you can. I'll allow it. Can I just for 00:29:33.828 --> 00:29:34.893 I'll allow it. Can I just for And now you have to go to the 00:29:34.895 --> 00:29:47.239 And now you have to go to the podium. Hi, um, my name is 00:29:47.241 --> 00:29:49.908 podium. Hi, um, my name is Thomasina Prue. I live at um 00:29:49.910 --> 00:29:55.514 Thomasina Prue. I live at um 8901 Greenhaven. And I did hear 00:29:55.516 --> 00:29:59.852 8901 Greenhaven. And I did hear something about The health 00:29:59.854 --> 00:30:00.586 something about The health investigator or neighborhood 00:30:00.588 --> 00:30:02.654 investigator or neighborhood health. I don't remember any 00:30:02.656 --> 00:30:06.258 health. I don't remember any one of us. Being asked anything. 00:30:06.260 --> 00:30:13.398 one of us. Being asked anything. About This Not one of us. So 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.468 About This Not one of us. So Who made up this health 00:30:16.470 --> 00:30:17.002 Who made up this health neighborhood healthness 00:30:17.004 --> 00:30:21.006 neighborhood healthness wellness. Because we were were 00:30:21.008 --> 00:30:24.276 wellness. Because we were were weren't talked to, and I 00:30:24.278 --> 00:30:26.010 weren't talked to, and I understand the resident wasn't 00:30:26.012 --> 00:30:28.813 understand the resident wasn't here to address this. She 00:30:28.815 --> 00:30:31.049 here to address this. She hasn't addressed anybody, and I 00:30:31.051 --> 00:30:33.485 hasn't addressed anybody, and I understand that we're pretty 00:30:33.487 --> 00:30:36.088 understand that we're pretty much bound to what the planning 00:30:36.090 --> 00:30:37.889 much bound to what the planning director said that, well, it, 00:30:37.891 --> 00:30:41.092 director said that, well, it, it's all within the rules. Then 00:30:41.094 --> 00:30:45.564 it's all within the rules. Then Why Are we fed this, oh well, 00:30:45.566 --> 00:30:49.434 Why Are we fed this, oh well, we can talk about it. I, I 00:30:49.436 --> 00:30:52.838 we can talk about it. I, I appreciate, uh, uh, your, your, 00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:56.241 appreciate, uh, uh, your, your, uh, sentiments uh are there, um, 00:30:56.243 --> 00:31:00.579 uh, sentiments uh are there, um, uh, this commission is, uh, 00:31:00.581 --> 00:31:03.248 uh, this commission is, uh, Responsible for uh uh um. 00:31:03.250 --> 00:31:04.716 Responsible for uh uh um. Following the guidelines that 00:31:04.718 --> 00:31:07.119 Following the guidelines that have been set by, uh, the city, 00:31:07.121 --> 00:31:09.487 have been set by, uh, the city, which in particular are the 00:31:09.489 --> 00:31:11.456 which in particular are the zoning and uh uh uh regulation. 00:31:11.458 --> 00:31:14.793 zoning and uh uh uh regulation. So that's our guiding principle 00:31:14.795 --> 00:31:17.862 So that's our guiding principle the healthy wellness. Fairy 00:31:17.864 --> 00:31:20.465 the healthy wellness. Fairy that was supposed to talk to us. 00:31:20.467 --> 00:31:25.671 that was supposed to talk to us. I, maybe I can provide some 00:31:25.673 --> 00:31:28.206 I, maybe I can provide some clarity on what I, what I think 00:31:28.208 --> 00:31:31.209 clarity on what I, what I think this question is about um the 00:31:31.211 --> 00:31:33.011 this question is about um the neighborhood health, uh, the 00:31:33.013 --> 00:31:34.546 neighborhood health, uh, the role of neighborhood health, uh, 00:31:34.548 --> 00:31:38.950 role of neighborhood health, uh, at the city. Uh, my, um, 00:31:38.952 --> 00:31:39.751 at the city. Uh, my, um, admittedly probably incomplete 00:31:39.753 --> 00:31:41.353 admittedly probably incomplete understanding of the events of 00:31:41.355 --> 00:31:43.154 understanding of the events of today are apparently there was 00:31:43.156 --> 00:31:45.090 today are apparently there was uh one of our colleagues on 00:31:45.092 --> 00:31:48.560 uh one of our colleagues on staff at the city who was in 00:31:48.562 --> 00:31:51.096 staff at the city who was in the neighborhood doing a 00:31:51.098 --> 00:31:53.765 the neighborhood doing a routine sweep of. That happens 00:31:53.767 --> 00:31:58.770 routine sweep of. That happens all over the city, um, for, um. 00:31:58.772 --> 00:32:01.906 all over the city, um, for, um. Looking for uh code violations 00:32:01.908 --> 00:32:03.575 Looking for uh code violations completely unrelated to this 00:32:03.577 --> 00:32:07.445 completely unrelated to this agenda item tonight, OK, we're 00:32:07.447 --> 00:32:08.580 agenda item tonight, OK, we're talking about the code 00:32:08.582 --> 00:32:09.448 talking about the code violation to the chair to bring 00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:15.320 violation to the chair to bring the meeting to order. Yes. Uh 00:32:15.322 --> 00:32:18.790 the meeting to order. Yes. Uh I'm sorry if I misunderstood, 00:32:18.792 --> 00:32:20.358 I'm sorry if I misunderstood, um, but that was one of the 00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:24.095 um, but that was one of the reasons what I heard. In part 00:32:24.097 --> 00:32:27.065 reasons what I heard. In part of um the young lady addressing 00:32:27.067 --> 00:32:29.134 of um the young lady addressing some of the checked boxes that 00:32:29.136 --> 00:32:31.870 some of the checked boxes that she was supposed to do, I 00:32:31.872 --> 00:32:33.071 she was supposed to do, I appreciate the sentiment, uh, 00:32:33.073 --> 00:32:34.873 appreciate the sentiment, uh, that, uh, at this meeting, 00:32:34.875 --> 00:32:36.274 that, uh, at this meeting, that's not the purpose of this, 00:32:36.276 --> 00:32:38.143 that's not the purpose of this, this, this meeting here. I 00:32:38.145 --> 00:32:39.211 this, this meeting here. I apologize for that. Just so, 00:32:39.213 --> 00:32:40.879 apologize for that. Just so, just so I could tell everybody, 00:32:40.881 --> 00:32:42.480 just so I could tell everybody, it's already been decided. 00:32:42.482 --> 00:32:43.548 it's already been decided. Nothing has been decided. We 00:32:43.550 --> 00:32:46.451 Nothing has been decided. We haven't voted yet. Uh, however, 00:32:46.453 --> 00:32:48.754 haven't voted yet. Uh, however, we have our uh objectives as a, 00:32:48.756 --> 00:32:55.293 we have our uh objectives as a, a. A body here to abide by our 00:32:55.295 --> 00:32:56.762 a. A body here to abide by our role and responsibility of 00:32:56.764 --> 00:32:57.696 role and responsibility of following the guidelines that 00:32:57.698 --> 00:32:59.998 following the guidelines that have been set. So it, it hasn't 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.632 have been set. So it, it hasn't been decided. We're about to 00:33:01.634 --> 00:33:04.436 been decided. We're about to vote on it, but You know, we 00:33:04.438 --> 00:33:05.903 vote on it, but You know, we have to follow the guidelines. 00:33:05.905 --> 00:33:09.374 have to follow the guidelines. I hope that makes sense. All 00:33:09.376 --> 00:33:11.643 I hope that makes sense. All right, it's not just all about 00:33:11.645 --> 00:33:14.546 right, it's not just all about while they're following the 00:33:14.548 --> 00:33:16.381 while they're following the rules by giving permission to 00:33:16.383 --> 00:33:19.384 rules by giving permission to sublet or subdivide. Because 00:33:19.386 --> 00:33:20.786 sublet or subdivide. Because then we have no reason to be 00:33:20.788 --> 00:33:24.656 then we have no reason to be here. If it's what this 00:33:24.658 --> 00:33:25.590 here. If it's what this gentleman presented thank you 00:33:25.592 --> 00:33:28.526 gentleman presented thank you for, uh, the comments there. 00:33:28.528 --> 00:33:30.395 for, uh, the comments there. Commissioner Oda. You're going 00:33:30.397 --> 00:33:36.968 Commissioner Oda. You're going to Like most. OK, um, I'll go 00:33:36.970 --> 00:33:42.341 to Like most. OK, um, I'll go ahead and make the motion. Um, 00:33:42.343 --> 00:33:44.743 ahead and make the motion. Um, Motion to recommend resolution 00:33:44.745 --> 00:33:46.210 Motion to recommend resolution approving a preliminary plot 00:33:46.212 --> 00:33:53.017 approving a preliminary plot subdividing. Uh, at 708 00:33:53.019 --> 00:33:54.286 subdividing. Uh, at 708 Greenhaven Drive North into 3 00:33:54.288 --> 00:33:58.690 Greenhaven Drive North into 3 single family. Lots All right. 00:33:58.692 --> 00:34:06.098 single family. Lots All right. Uh, can I get a second? Uh, our 00:34:06.100 --> 00:34:09.700 Uh, can I get a second? Uh, our second the motion. Um, well 00:34:09.702 --> 00:34:12.170 second the motion. Um, well she's been made, it has been 00:34:12.172 --> 00:34:13.438 she's been made, it has been the second, uh, any further 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:19.711 the second, uh, any further discussion? Can, uh, let's vote, 00:34:19.713 --> 00:34:24.049 discussion? Can, uh, let's vote, all in favor say aye. I Any 00:34:24.051 --> 00:34:32.690 all in favor say aye. I Any opposed? Uh, so, uh, I mean OK. 00:34:32.692 --> 00:34:34.726 opposed? Uh, so, uh, I mean OK. All right, so the motion did 00:34:34.728 --> 00:34:43.301 All right, so the motion did not pass. 3 To 4 Right, for the 00:34:43.303 --> 00:34:48.406 not pass. 3 To 4 Right, for the motion did not pass, so, um, 00:34:48.408 --> 00:34:51.409 motion did not pass, so, um, Alright. That's, uh, that's the. 00:34:51.411 --> 00:35:11.029 Alright. That's, uh, that's the. Yeah. All right, uh, the, uh, 00:35:11.031 --> 00:35:13.031 Yeah. All right, uh, the, uh, Um, and we can talk about the 00:35:13.033 --> 00:35:16.835 Um, and we can talk about the uh Uh, possibilities of, uh, uh, 00:35:16.837 --> 00:35:18.903 uh Uh, possibilities of, uh, uh, the result of that vote, but 00:35:18.905 --> 00:35:20.538 the result of that vote, but we'll move on to the next 00:35:20.540 --> 00:35:36.588 we'll move on to the next agenda item, uh, 5.2. Good 00:35:36.590 --> 00:35:37.589 agenda item, uh, 5.2. Good evening, Chehan and members of 00:35:37.591 --> 00:35:38.923 evening, Chehan and members of the planning commission for the 00:35:38.925 --> 00:35:40.125 the planning commission for the record, Kara Donovan, senior 00:35:40.127 --> 00:35:40.658 record, Kara Donovan, senior planner with the planning 00:35:40.660 --> 00:35:43.261 planner with the planning division. Presenting a site 00:35:43.263 --> 00:35:44.061 division. Presenting a site plan review and variance 00:35:44.063 --> 00:35:48.166 plan review and variance requests for a case number 00:35:48.168 --> 00:35:49.601 requests for a case number 24-117 for United Central 00:35:49.603 --> 00:35:50.802 24-117 for United Central Seventh Day Adventist Church. 00:35:50.804 --> 00:35:52.069 Seventh Day Adventist Church. The applicant proposes a 00:35:52.071 --> 00:35:52.871 The applicant proposes a building addition south of the 00:35:52.873 --> 00:36:03.381 building addition south of the existing building. Yeah Oh The 00:36:03.383 --> 00:36:05.250 existing building. Yeah Oh The site is located on Brooklyn 00:36:05.252 --> 00:36:06.217 site is located on Brooklyn Boulevard between West Broadway 00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:11.089 Boulevard between West Broadway and Zane Avenue. The subject 00:36:11.091 --> 00:36:12.423 and Zane Avenue. The subject properties are 1.67 acres and 00:36:12.425 --> 00:36:13.892 properties are 1.67 acres and about commercial and 00:36:13.894 --> 00:36:14.625 about commercial and residential properties. 00:36:14.627 --> 00:36:15.827 residential properties. Brooklyn Boulevard to the north 00:36:15.829 --> 00:36:17.495 Brooklyn Boulevard to the north is a minor arterial and 00:36:17.497 --> 00:36:18.830 is a minor arterial and seventy-sixth Avenue to the 00:36:18.832 --> 00:36:23.668 seventy-sixth Avenue to the south is a residential road. 00:36:23.670 --> 00:36:25.169 south is a residential road. The Seventh Day Adventist 00:36:25.171 --> 00:36:27.138 The Seventh Day Adventist parcel is zoned Office Park 00:36:27.140 --> 00:36:28.172 parcel is zoned Office Park District, the outlet that runs 00:36:28.174 --> 00:36:29.541 District, the outlet that runs along the east side of the 00:36:29.543 --> 00:36:31.109 along the east side of the applicant's property is zoned 00:36:31.111 --> 00:36:33.177 applicant's property is zoned multiple family district or R4. 00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:34.713 multiple family district or R4. The properties to the east are 00:36:34.715 --> 00:36:36.248 The properties to the east are zoned office park and multiple 00:36:36.250 --> 00:36:37.449 zoned office park and multiple family districts, and the 00:36:37.451 --> 00:36:38.449 family districts, and the properties to the west are 00:36:38.451 --> 00:36:41.452 properties to the west are zoned to Office Park and TODC 00:36:41.454 --> 00:36:42.387 zoned to Office Park and TODC or transit oriented development 00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:46.391 or transit oriented development center district. The applicant 00:36:46.393 --> 00:36:47.859 center district. The applicant is requesting site plan 00:36:47.861 --> 00:36:48.993 is requesting site plan approval for a building 00:36:48.995 --> 00:36:50.394 approval for a building addition to the south of the 00:36:50.396 --> 00:36:51.963 addition to the south of the existing building in order to 00:36:51.965 --> 00:36:52.530 existing building in order to support their existing 00:36:52.532 --> 00:36:58.870 support their existing congregation. The applicant is 00:36:58.872 --> 00:36:59.604 congregation. The applicant is also requesting approval for a 00:36:59.606 --> 00:37:00.938 also requesting approval for a variance for the proposed 00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:03.608 variance for the proposed building setback. As noted 00:37:03.610 --> 00:37:04.809 building setback. As noted earlier, the properties along 00:37:04.811 --> 00:37:06.945 earlier, the properties along the southeast of the 00:37:06.947 --> 00:37:08.479 the southeast of the applicant's property are zoned 00:37:08.481 --> 00:37:10.014 applicant's property are zoned multiple family district, which 00:37:10.016 --> 00:37:12.250 multiple family district, which requires a 50-foot setback on 00:37:12.252 --> 00:37:13.018 requires a 50-foot setback on the applicant's property as 00:37:13.020 --> 00:37:14.752 the applicant's property as seen on the screen, the 00:37:14.754 --> 00:37:16.354 seen on the screen, the buildable area with the 00:37:16.356 --> 00:37:19.057 buildable area with the required setback limits. 00:37:19.059 --> 00:37:20.091 required setback limits. Building addition options. In 00:37:20.093 --> 00:37:21.225 Building addition options. In order to reduce the variance 00:37:21.227 --> 00:37:22.827 order to reduce the variance for the setback, the applicant 00:37:22.829 --> 00:37:23.962 for the setback, the applicant has a purchase agreement for 00:37:23.964 --> 00:37:25.964 has a purchase agreement for the 10 ft wide outlet that runs 00:37:25.966 --> 00:37:27.198 the 10 ft wide outlet that runs nearly the full length of the 00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:29.234 nearly the full length of the property. This will increase 00:37:29.236 --> 00:37:30.302 property. This will increase the setback from the proposed 00:37:30.304 --> 00:37:33.638 the setback from the proposed project. From the residential 00:37:33.640 --> 00:37:36.575 project. From the residential property from 24.7 ft to 32 ft, 00:37:36.577 --> 00:37:38.643 property from 24.7 ft to 32 ft, so it increases the distance 00:37:38.645 --> 00:37:40.011 so it increases the distance between the boundary for the 00:37:40.013 --> 00:37:40.645 between the boundary for the residential property to the 00:37:40.647 --> 00:37:44.148 residential property to the building. And these are two 00:37:44.150 --> 00:37:45.216 building. And these are two renderings that the applicant 00:37:45.218 --> 00:37:46.651 renderings that the applicant has provided. This is from the 00:37:46.653 --> 00:37:48.186 has provided. This is from the southwest view, so from the 00:37:48.188 --> 00:37:49.787 southwest view, so from the commercial property next door. 00:37:49.789 --> 00:37:51.990 commercial property next door. And this is from the Southeast 00:37:51.992 --> 00:37:53.524 And this is from the Southeast view which is uh where the 00:37:53.526 --> 00:37:57.395 view which is uh where the residential properties are now. 00:37:57.397 --> 00:37:58.396 residential properties are now. Staff recommends approval of 00:37:58.398 --> 00:37:59.998 Staff recommends approval of the site plan and variance 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:00.865 the site plan and variance requests with conditions as 00:38:00.867 --> 00:38:02.734 requests with conditions as listed in the draft resolutions, 00:38:02.736 --> 00:38:03.868 listed in the draft resolutions, and this concludes staff 00:38:03.870 --> 00:38:08.339 and this concludes staff presentation. Thank you. All 00:38:08.341 --> 00:38:12.176 presentation. Thank you. All right, with, uh, Anyone from 00:38:12.178 --> 00:38:12.877 right, with, uh, Anyone from the public like to speak to 00:38:12.879 --> 00:38:15.680 the public like to speak to this. Item, we're opening up 00:38:15.682 --> 00:38:23.154 this. Item, we're opening up the public portion of it. not 00:38:23.156 --> 00:38:25.023 the public portion of it. not CNN will close the public 00:38:25.025 --> 00:38:27.425 CNN will close the public portion of it and bring it back 00:38:27.427 --> 00:38:33.131 portion of it and bring it back to uh commissioners. Any, uh 00:38:33.133 --> 00:38:41.439 to uh commissioners. Any, uh Commissioner's comment? In the 00:38:41.441 --> 00:38:45.243 Commissioner's comment? In the um I think I read in there that 00:38:45.245 --> 00:38:46.644 um I think I read in there that the parking was not sufficient 00:38:46.646 --> 00:38:49.047 the parking was not sufficient at the site, but that they had 00:38:49.049 --> 00:38:50.515 at the site, but that they had an agreement with something 00:38:50.517 --> 00:38:51.949 an agreement with something nearby. Did it say what nearby 00:38:51.951 --> 00:38:53.251 nearby. Did it say what nearby and what if that goes away, 00:38:53.253 --> 00:38:55.987 and what if that goes away, what would happen? that ability 00:38:55.989 --> 00:38:57.588 what would happen? that ability to park there kind of thing. 00:38:57.590 --> 00:38:59.090 to park there kind of thing. Yes, that's a good question. 00:38:59.092 --> 00:39:02.727 Yes, that's a good question. Yeah, so the. Existing um 00:39:02.729 --> 00:39:04.662 Yeah, so the. Existing um parking lot, the outlaw or 00:39:04.664 --> 00:39:05.997 parking lot, the outlaw or sorry the addition is going to 00:39:05.999 --> 00:39:07.065 sorry the addition is going to eat into the existing parking 00:39:07.067 --> 00:39:09.467 eat into the existing parking lot a little bit so the parking 00:39:09.469 --> 00:39:11.870 lot a little bit so the parking lot will be 80 spaces after the 00:39:11.872 --> 00:39:13.738 lot will be 80 spaces after the development. They have a cross 00:39:13.740 --> 00:39:14.872 development. They have a cross parking agreement with the 00:39:14.874 --> 00:39:16.207 parking agreement with the crematorium to the west in this 00:39:16.209 --> 00:39:17.342 crematorium to the west in this image on the screen, it's to 00:39:17.344 --> 00:39:19.077 image on the screen, it's to the south, like on the bottom 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.613 the south, like on the bottom of the screen, um, so they have 00:39:21.615 --> 00:39:24.015 of the screen, um, so they have different times of day that the 00:39:24.017 --> 00:39:24.683 different times of day that the build the businesses operate so 00:39:24.685 --> 00:39:26.350 build the businesses operate so they have an agreement that the 00:39:26.352 --> 00:39:27.552 they have an agreement that the crematorium can use the 00:39:27.554 --> 00:39:28.886 crematorium can use the church's parking lot and vice 00:39:28.888 --> 00:39:29.954 church's parking lot and vice versa depending on the time of 00:39:29.956 --> 00:39:32.424 versa depending on the time of day that's being used. Um, I 00:39:32.426 --> 00:39:34.525 day that's being used. Um, I don't know what happens if the 00:39:34.527 --> 00:39:37.362 don't know what happens if the building were to be um. 00:39:37.364 --> 00:39:38.796 building were to be um. Redeveloped, but it was the 00:39:38.798 --> 00:39:39.430 Redeveloped, but it was the crematorium probably is not 00:39:39.432 --> 00:39:47.305 crematorium probably is not gonna go away, so. Commissioner 00:39:47.307 --> 00:39:49.240 gonna go away, so. Commissioner Caruso, thank you for the 00:39:49.242 --> 00:39:53.111 Caruso, thank you for the opportunity. So, uh, to follow 00:39:53.113 --> 00:39:54.779 opportunity. So, uh, to follow up with uh the, the parking 00:39:54.781 --> 00:39:59.383 up with uh the, the parking questions. Uh, do we know? Uh, 00:39:59.385 --> 00:40:03.988 questions. Uh, do we know? Uh, the estimated. Uh, number of 00:40:03.990 --> 00:40:06.657 the estimated. Uh, number of the congregation in the short 00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:10.394 the congregation in the short run, um, period. Uh, and, uh, 00:40:10.396 --> 00:40:12.530 run, um, period. Uh, and, uh, does it uh goes. Part one is 00:40:12.532 --> 00:40:14.465 does it uh goes. Part one is that it goes with any units of 00:40:14.467 --> 00:40:17.401 that it goes with any units of the parking lot, uh, if If yes, 00:40:17.403 --> 00:40:22.340 the parking lot, uh, if If yes, that's fine. If not, Like uh 00:40:22.342 --> 00:40:25.076 that's fine. If not, Like uh any uh modification or any plan 00:40:25.078 --> 00:40:28.747 any uh modification or any plan modification to meet. Um, the 00:40:28.749 --> 00:40:30.482 modification to meet. Um, the two, the number of congregation. 00:40:30.484 --> 00:40:35.887 two, the number of congregation. With, uh, like minimum. number 00:40:35.889 --> 00:40:38.589 With, uh, like minimum. number of parking that is required. Uh, 00:40:38.591 --> 00:40:42.026 of parking that is required. Uh, for the service. Thank you. um. 00:40:42.028 --> 00:40:44.496 for the service. Thank you. um. Church gave and members of the 00:40:44.498 --> 00:40:45.029 Church gave and members of the planning commission the 00:40:45.031 --> 00:40:46.364 planning commission the required, I don't know the 00:40:46.366 --> 00:40:48.366 required, I don't know the congregation size, but the 00:40:48.368 --> 00:40:50.367 congregation size, but the required parking is 115 pounds. 00:40:50.369 --> 00:40:52.203 required parking is 115 pounds. So between the 80 stalls um for 00:40:52.205 --> 00:40:53.705 So between the 80 stalls um for the applicant and then the 44 00:40:53.707 --> 00:40:55.173 the applicant and then the 44 for the crematorium, they do 00:40:55.175 --> 00:40:56.441 for the crematorium, they do meet their 115 parking stall 00:40:56.443 --> 00:41:00.445 meet their 115 parking stall requirement. Does that answer 00:41:00.447 --> 00:41:02.647 requirement. Does that answer your question? yeah, partially. 00:41:02.649 --> 00:41:05.383 your question? yeah, partially. So if it is a yeah, uh, it 00:41:05.385 --> 00:41:07.585 So if it is a yeah, uh, it gives some data, but it says, 00:41:07.587 --> 00:41:10.588 gives some data, but it says, uh, like on the page. I think 00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:11.856 uh, like on the page. I think the first page towards the 00:41:11.858 --> 00:41:13.391 the first page towards the bottom, the parking, the 00:41:13.393 --> 00:41:18.129 bottom, the parking, the parking is going to be reduced 00:41:18.131 --> 00:41:22.200 parking is going to be reduced from 98 to 80 parking spots. So, 00:41:22.202 --> 00:41:25.536 from 98 to 80 parking spots. So, so that doesn't uh meet with 00:41:25.538 --> 00:41:27.572 so that doesn't uh meet with your requirement. So do you 00:41:27.574 --> 00:41:32.544 your requirement. So do you guys have any plan? To modify, 00:41:32.546 --> 00:41:34.212 guys have any plan? To modify, uh, so that the minimum 00:41:34.214 --> 00:41:35.746 uh, so that the minimum requirement of a parking spot 00:41:35.748 --> 00:41:37.748 requirement of a parking spot would be available for Uh, this 00:41:37.750 --> 00:41:40.018 would be available for Uh, this development. members of the 00:41:40.020 --> 00:41:41.085 development. members of the planning commission, thank you 00:41:41.087 --> 00:41:43.220 planning commission, thank you for the question. I think the, 00:41:43.222 --> 00:41:46.390 for the question. I think the, the The number of parking 00:41:46.392 --> 00:41:47.358 the The number of parking stalls required is 115, and 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:48.693 stalls required is 115, and they can meet that either on 00:41:48.695 --> 00:41:51.195 they can meet that either on site or with this cross parking 00:41:51.197 --> 00:41:51.896 site or with this cross parking agreement with the neighboring 00:41:51.898 --> 00:41:55.967 agreement with the neighboring um. The neighboring business 00:41:55.969 --> 00:41:56.901 um. The neighboring business and we do recommend cross 00:41:56.903 --> 00:41:57.869 and we do recommend cross parking agreements when we can 00:41:57.871 --> 00:41:59.837 parking agreements when we can because we don't want to have 00:41:59.839 --> 00:42:00.505 because we don't want to have additional pavement and 00:42:00.507 --> 00:42:01.372 additional pavement and additional parking that's not 00:42:01.374 --> 00:42:02.773 additional parking that's not needed. So this is actually 00:42:02.775 --> 00:42:03.508 needed. So this is actually something that we encourage as 00:42:03.510 --> 00:42:10.181 something that we encourage as a city. So yeah, they have 80 00:42:10.183 --> 00:42:11.716 a city. So yeah, they have 80 parking installs, but next door 00:42:11.718 --> 00:42:14.018 parking installs, but next door is the cremation, um, and they 00:42:14.020 --> 00:42:16.454 is the cremation, um, and they have an agreement, parking 00:42:16.456 --> 00:42:18.389 have an agreement, parking agreement which has 40 parking 00:42:18.391 --> 00:42:22.326 agreement which has 40 parking stalls, so 80 + 40 gets you up 00:42:22.328 --> 00:42:24.662 stalls, so 80 + 40 gets you up to 120 stalls. That's That can 00:42:24.664 --> 00:42:28.332 to 120 stalls. That's That can be used. I don't not the 00:42:28.334 --> 00:42:29.067 be used. I don't not the parking agreement is included 00:42:29.069 --> 00:42:30.534 parking agreement is included in the packet if you'd like to 00:42:30.536 --> 00:42:36.941 in the packet if you'd like to review that. Thank you You know, 00:42:36.943 --> 00:42:40.077 review that. Thank you You know, I do have, oh, go ahead, sorry. 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:41.679 I do have, oh, go ahead, sorry. Commissioner Fraser. Yeah, just 00:42:41.681 --> 00:42:43.414 Commissioner Fraser. Yeah, just to follow up on the parking 00:42:43.416 --> 00:42:47.385 to follow up on the parking question. So with the addition 00:42:47.387 --> 00:42:50.354 question. So with the addition Is there a projected to be 00:42:50.356 --> 00:42:56.827 Is there a projected to be increased in um. The number of 00:42:56.829 --> 00:42:59.263 increased in um. The number of attendees and service that 00:42:59.265 --> 00:43:01.299 attendees and service that would push that parking 00:43:01.301 --> 00:43:03.568 would push that parking requirement up so I'm trying to 00:43:03.570 --> 00:43:06.871 requirement up so I'm trying to gauge whether the addition is 00:43:06.873 --> 00:43:09.707 gauge whether the addition is going to um increase the number 00:43:09.709 --> 00:43:11.376 going to um increase the number of parking spots that's 00:43:11.378 --> 00:43:11.843 of parking spots that's required to support the 00:43:11.845 --> 00:43:14.245 required to support the addition. Sure you and members 00:43:14.247 --> 00:43:15.646 addition. Sure you and members of the planning commission. I 00:43:15.648 --> 00:43:16.780 of the planning commission. I believe the applicant is here 00:43:16.782 --> 00:43:17.848 believe the applicant is here tonight to answer the question 00:43:17.850 --> 00:43:19.117 tonight to answer the question of, um, you have anything to 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.419 of, um, you have anything to say, but I do not believe that 00:43:21.421 --> 00:43:22.453 say, but I do not believe that the congregation is expected to 00:43:22.455 --> 00:43:24.589 the congregation is expected to expand. This is to accommodate 00:43:24.591 --> 00:43:30.728 expand. This is to accommodate the existing, uh, congregation. 00:43:30.730 --> 00:43:36.000 the existing, uh, congregation. I mean, Uh, my question is 00:43:36.002 --> 00:43:39.203 I mean, Uh, my question is related to, um, The entry and 00:43:39.205 --> 00:43:44.375 related to, um, The entry and the exit. Um Will there be 00:43:44.377 --> 00:43:46.344 the exit. Um Will there be visible signs of like, do not 00:43:46.346 --> 00:43:48.346 visible signs of like, do not enter or you enter here just 00:43:48.348 --> 00:43:50.148 enter or you enter here just for the flow. Is there, are 00:43:50.150 --> 00:43:51.215 for the flow. Is there, are there current signs there? 00:43:51.217 --> 00:43:52.350 there current signs there? Cause it doesn't really, I 00:43:52.352 --> 00:43:55.086 Cause it doesn't really, I don't really see that on the, 00:43:55.088 --> 00:43:56.220 don't really see that on the, on the renderings, members of 00:43:56.222 --> 00:43:57.154 on the renderings, members of the planning commission, that's 00:43:57.156 --> 00:43:59.490 the planning commission, that's a good question. So access to 00:43:59.492 --> 00:44:01.492 a good question. So access to the site is through the shared 00:44:01.494 --> 00:44:02.293 the site is through the shared driveway on Broadway, which is 00:44:02.295 --> 00:44:03.761 driveway on Broadway, which is on the left side of the screen 00:44:03.763 --> 00:44:05.296 on the left side of the screen there. There is an access on 00:44:05.298 --> 00:44:06.898 there. There is an access on the south side on 76th Avenue, 00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:08.900 the south side on 76th Avenue, but they have a gate that the 00:44:08.902 --> 00:44:10.168 but they have a gate that the fire marshal has said is OK to 00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:12.302 fire marshal has said is OK to stay in place, so access to the 00:44:12.304 --> 00:44:12.971 stay in place, so access to the site is, uh, through the north. 00:44:12.973 --> 00:44:14.439 site is, uh, through the north. right now and they can open up 00:44:14.441 --> 00:44:16.040 right now and they can open up that gate on the south side if 00:44:16.042 --> 00:44:25.449 that gate on the south side if needed for flow of traffic. 00:44:25.451 --> 00:44:30.688 needed for flow of traffic. Michelle here. Your light is on, 00:44:30.690 --> 00:44:33.858 Michelle here. Your light is on, sorry I do have um. I assume, 00:44:33.860 --> 00:44:36.394 sorry I do have um. I assume, um, you know, with regards to 00:44:36.396 --> 00:44:38.662 um, you know, with regards to the parking question that we've 00:44:38.664 --> 00:44:42.366 the parking question that we've been having that um if Uh, 00:44:42.368 --> 00:44:43.667 been having that um if Uh, there's a situation in which 00:44:43.669 --> 00:44:46.337 there's a situation in which the congregation Uh, not the 00:44:46.339 --> 00:44:49.206 the congregation Uh, not the condition numbers grow, I 00:44:49.208 --> 00:44:51.008 condition numbers grow, I assume that the uh service will 00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:53.011 assume that the uh service will be staggered so that it can 00:44:53.013 --> 00:44:53.544 be staggered so that it can accommodate the parking 00:44:53.546 --> 00:44:54.545 accommodate the parking situation. Would that be 00:44:54.547 --> 00:44:58.883 situation. Would that be correct? I cannot speak on the 00:44:58.885 --> 00:44:59.817 correct? I cannot speak on the uh on that assumption I would 00:44:59.819 --> 00:45:03.687 uh on that assumption I would assume so. Thank you. Yeah, 00:45:03.689 --> 00:45:11.262 assume so. Thank you. Yeah, sure. Um, hi, I'm Chris 00:45:11.264 --> 00:45:13.697 sure. Um, hi, I'm Chris Cornelius. I'm the uh potential 00:45:13.699 --> 00:45:14.565 Cornelius. I'm the uh potential builder for the project that 00:45:14.567 --> 00:45:15.166 builder for the project that we're working on getting all 00:45:15.168 --> 00:45:16.767 we're working on getting all these plans and stuff put 00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:19.570 these plans and stuff put together for you. For the 00:45:19.572 --> 00:45:22.173 together for you. For the parking situation, um, the 00:45:22.175 --> 00:45:23.641 parking situation, um, the funeral home uses the parking 00:45:23.643 --> 00:45:25.442 funeral home uses the parking the most, uh, on the shared 00:45:25.444 --> 00:45:26.244 the most, uh, on the shared parking agreement because they 00:45:26.246 --> 00:45:28.513 parking agreement because they have a lot more services during 00:45:28.515 --> 00:45:30.714 have a lot more services during the week, uh, the church 00:45:30.716 --> 00:45:32.382 the week, uh, the church typically has a service on 00:45:32.384 --> 00:45:33.651 typically has a service on Saturday and then they have 00:45:33.653 --> 00:45:35.986 Saturday and then they have some small meetings during the 00:45:35.988 --> 00:45:38.856 some small meetings during the week, so they seldom use the 00:45:38.858 --> 00:45:39.523 week, so they seldom use the parking lot and unfortunately, 00:45:39.525 --> 00:45:41.392 parking lot and unfortunately, the church. was here, he had to 00:45:41.394 --> 00:45:43.194 the church. was here, he had to go to emergency for his kid, 00:45:43.196 --> 00:45:44.662 go to emergency for his kid, unfortunately, so, um, he could 00:45:44.664 --> 00:45:45.730 unfortunately, so, um, he could speak a little bit more on it, 00:45:45.732 --> 00:45:47.598 speak a little bit more on it, but, uh, it's very limited use 00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:49.266 but, uh, it's very limited use on the church side, the funeral 00:45:49.268 --> 00:45:50.067 on the church side, the funeral home uses a lot more than they 00:45:50.069 --> 00:45:55.873 home uses a lot more than they do. I do have a question for 00:45:55.875 --> 00:45:58.075 do. I do have a question for you, uh, uh, and, and maybe 00:45:58.077 --> 00:46:00.011 you, uh, uh, and, and maybe it's uh staff question as well. 00:46:00.013 --> 00:46:03.013 it's uh staff question as well. So I, I'm just looking at the 00:46:03.015 --> 00:46:03.881 So I, I'm just looking at the uh addition there it looks 00:46:03.883 --> 00:46:06.884 uh addition there it looks great, uh, inside, uh, uh, the 00:46:06.886 --> 00:46:11.822 great, uh, inside, uh, uh, the parking, you have a uh uh 00:46:11.824 --> 00:46:15.159 parking, you have a uh uh immersive uh baptism pool on 00:46:15.161 --> 00:46:19.930 immersive uh baptism pool on the stage that they'll be from, 00:46:19.932 --> 00:46:21.832 the stage that they'll be from, uh, uh, do you know if plummy? 00:46:21.834 --> 00:46:24.235 uh, uh, do you know if plummy? Uh, it will be a part of that. 00:46:24.237 --> 00:46:25.436 Uh, it will be a part of that. We're still working on the 00:46:25.438 --> 00:46:26.304 We're still working on the details how that's going to 00:46:26.306 --> 00:46:27.772 details how that's going to drain. We've seen other 00:46:27.774 --> 00:46:29.640 drain. We've seen other churches how they do theirs, 00:46:29.642 --> 00:46:31.475 churches how they do theirs, and we just now come down to 00:46:31.477 --> 00:46:32.176 and we just now come down to the building permit side of 00:46:32.178 --> 00:46:34.312 the building permit side of things of how we finalize that. 00:46:34.314 --> 00:46:36.447 things of how we finalize that. So you are planning on draining 00:46:36.449 --> 00:46:39.050 So you are planning on draining and maybe heating. Possibly 00:46:39.052 --> 00:46:40.718 and maybe heating. Possibly they haven't the church hasn't 00:46:40.720 --> 00:46:41.385 they haven't the church hasn't told us exactly what we're 00:46:41.387 --> 00:46:43.387 told us exactly what we're gonna do on that yet, um, and 00:46:43.389 --> 00:46:44.555 gonna do on that yet, um, and that's gonna come down to when 00:46:44.557 --> 00:46:46.590 that's gonna come down to when we submit our plans, uh, how we 00:46:46.592 --> 00:46:48.959 we submit our plans, uh, how we drain that. OK. Yeah. So I'm 00:46:48.961 --> 00:46:51.462 drain that. OK. Yeah. So I'm just curious on on those if uh 00:46:51.464 --> 00:46:54.065 just curious on on those if uh from a city perspective, if uh, 00:46:54.067 --> 00:46:59.904 from a city perspective, if uh, if that's regulated at all. The 00:46:59.906 --> 00:47:00.605 if that's regulated at all. The immersive pool the churches 00:47:00.607 --> 00:47:01.806 immersive pool the churches we've seen some of them just 00:47:01.808 --> 00:47:04.275 we've seen some of them just flow out. Daylight. That's 00:47:04.277 --> 00:47:06.611 flow out. Daylight. That's correct, yeah, yep, and I some 00:47:06.613 --> 00:47:08.880 correct, yeah, yep, and I some are tied in, so. I I've seen, 00:47:08.882 --> 00:47:11.282 are tied in, so. I I've seen, I've seen that as well. I 00:47:11.284 --> 00:47:14.619 I've seen that as well. I wonder if the, if, if I've even 00:47:14.621 --> 00:47:15.619 wonder if the, if, if I've even seen those without plumbing at 00:47:15.621 --> 00:47:18.055 seen those without plumbing at all. They just use a pump and 00:47:18.057 --> 00:47:20.524 all. They just use a pump and pump it to a a a sink or use a 00:47:20.526 --> 00:47:22.693 pump it to a a a sink or use a water hose to fill it. So I'm 00:47:22.695 --> 00:47:23.627 water hose to fill it. So I'm wondering if there are any 00:47:23.629 --> 00:47:28.699 wondering if there are any rules. Umur gave and members of 00:47:28.701 --> 00:47:30.301 rules. Umur gave and members of the planning commission, I can 00:47:30.303 --> 00:47:32.102 the planning commission, I can say that if there is a, as I 00:47:32.104 --> 00:47:34.171 say that if there is a, as I understand it, a pool on stage 00:47:34.173 --> 00:47:35.439 understand it, a pool on stage that that would be required to 00:47:35.441 --> 00:47:36.107 that that would be required to go through the sewer system, 00:47:36.109 --> 00:47:38.910 go through the sewer system, they would not be allowed to 00:47:38.912 --> 00:47:40.378 they would not be allowed to use stormwater access to drain 00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:41.846 use stormwater access to drain that if that's the question. OK. 00:47:41.848 --> 00:47:45.650 that if that's the question. OK. And you know, the, the filter 00:47:45.652 --> 00:47:46.584 And you know, the, the filter system or anything of that 00:47:46.586 --> 00:47:50.321 system or anything of that nature, you don't think that's 00:47:50.323 --> 00:47:51.389 nature, you don't think that's uh for sanitary reasons. I 00:47:51.391 --> 00:47:52.789 uh for sanitary reasons. I don't think so because the 00:47:52.791 --> 00:47:55.125 don't think so because the sewer system should accept that, 00:47:55.127 --> 00:47:56.527 sewer system should accept that, but our utilities will handle 00:47:56.529 --> 00:47:57.662 but our utilities will handle that when the building permit 00:47:57.664 --> 00:48:01.532 that when the building permit comes through. Sounds good. OK, 00:48:01.534 --> 00:48:06.270 comes through. Sounds good. OK, I can. Oh good. I, I can add to 00:48:06.272 --> 00:48:08.339 I can. Oh good. I, I can add to from my knowledge of it, uh, 00:48:08.341 --> 00:48:11.208 from my knowledge of it, uh, there will be no standing pool. 00:48:11.210 --> 00:48:14.078 there will be no standing pool. Uh, it's only during baptism 00:48:14.080 --> 00:48:17.314 Uh, it's only during baptism that the pool will be up and 00:48:17.316 --> 00:48:20.284 that the pool will be up and It's not also every service 00:48:20.286 --> 00:48:21.619 It's not also every service nowadays that happens. And so 00:48:21.621 --> 00:48:22.819 nowadays that happens. And so how does it drain and uh how do 00:48:22.821 --> 00:48:25.456 how does it drain and uh how do you get water in it? The water 00:48:25.458 --> 00:48:28.359 you get water in it? The water comes from the uh existing line 00:48:28.361 --> 00:48:31.295 comes from the uh existing line of um flow and then it gets, 00:48:31.297 --> 00:48:34.031 of um flow and then it gets, you know, drained out. So, I 00:48:34.033 --> 00:48:36.634 you know, drained out. So, I just, my question is more of a 00:48:36.636 --> 00:48:38.302 just, my question is more of a city, you know, cause I, I, I 00:48:38.304 --> 00:48:39.770 city, you know, cause I, I, I don't know if it's regulated. I 00:48:39.772 --> 00:48:42.239 don't know if it's regulated. I don't think it is and therefore, 00:48:42.241 --> 00:48:43.340 don't think it is and therefore, you know, you don't have to 00:48:43.342 --> 00:48:45.776 you know, you don't have to have any of that. It's my 00:48:45.778 --> 00:48:48.512 have any of that. It's my understanding, but I'm just. 00:48:48.514 --> 00:48:51.648 understanding, but I'm just. Speaking, you know, uh, my 00:48:51.650 --> 00:48:53.584 Speaking, you know, uh, my knowledge, so. OK, that's 00:48:53.586 --> 00:48:54.118 knowledge, so. OK, that's helpful. Thank you. I 00:48:54.120 --> 00:48:57.722 helpful. Thank you. I appreciate that. A All right, 00:48:57.724 --> 00:49:02.593 appreciate that. A All right, uh, Any other questions? All 00:49:02.595 --> 00:49:05.663 uh, Any other questions? All right, uh, can I get a motion, 00:49:05.665 --> 00:49:14.738 right, uh, can I get a motion, uh, for this item. And There 00:49:14.740 --> 00:49:16.273 uh, for this item. And There are 2 motions here. OK, I can 00:49:16.275 --> 00:49:18.208 are 2 motions here. OK, I can go ahead and You know, read the 00:49:18.210 --> 00:49:21.345 go ahead and You know, read the motion and I Motion made to 00:49:21.347 --> 00:49:23.213 motion and I Motion made to recommend approval of site plan 00:49:23.215 --> 00:49:24.748 recommend approval of site plan review for the construction of 00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:27.751 review for the construction of an addition to the existing 00:49:27.753 --> 00:49:31.422 an addition to the existing structure at 7831. Brooklyn 00:49:31.424 --> 00:49:32.356 structure at 7831. Brooklyn Boulevard, subject to the 00:49:32.358 --> 00:49:33.291 Boulevard, subject to the condition and the draft 00:49:33.293 --> 00:49:35.760 condition and the draft resolution. All right, the 00:49:35.762 --> 00:49:38.028 resolution. All right, the motion has been made. Can I get 00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:40.030 motion has been made. Can I get a second, 2nd motion has been 00:49:40.032 --> 00:49:41.699 a second, 2nd motion has been 2nd, um, any further discussion? 00:49:41.701 --> 00:49:47.171 2nd, um, any further discussion? That uh uh let's vote. I'm 00:49:47.173 --> 00:49:56.080 That uh uh let's vote. I'm sorry. To, uh, like the number 00:49:56.082 --> 00:49:59.450 sorry. To, uh, like the number of congregation is not known if 00:49:59.452 --> 00:50:02.386 of congregation is not known if that can be included in the 00:50:02.388 --> 00:50:04.788 that can be included in the condition of the approval would 00:50:04.790 --> 00:50:06.390 condition of the approval would be highly appreciated so that 00:50:06.392 --> 00:50:10.627 be highly appreciated so that we would be able to match the 00:50:10.629 --> 00:50:11.929 we would be able to match the number of parking with a number 00:50:11.931 --> 00:50:16.767 number of parking with a number of Projected Our congregations. 00:50:16.769 --> 00:50:20.937 of Projected Our congregations. Uh, that's, uh, that's a Good 00:50:20.939 --> 00:50:24.375 Uh, that's, uh, that's a Good question, um. Um, obviously, I 00:50:24.377 --> 00:50:26.076 question, um. Um, obviously, I think from, well, city you 00:50:26.078 --> 00:50:28.278 think from, well, city you wanna, you wanna speak to that 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.748 wanna, you wanna speak to that because I think it's Mr. Chair, 00:50:30.750 --> 00:50:31.349 because I think it's Mr. Chair, Commissioner Kroso and members 00:50:31.351 --> 00:50:33.217 Commissioner Kroso and members of the commission, you know 00:50:33.219 --> 00:50:35.086 of the commission, you know that the parking requirement, 00:50:35.088 --> 00:50:35.986 that the parking requirement, the off-street parking 00:50:35.988 --> 00:50:37.688 the off-street parking requirement, um, is something 00:50:37.690 --> 00:50:38.455 requirement, um, is something that's determined by the zoning 00:50:38.457 --> 00:50:39.957 that's determined by the zoning code. It's written very clearly 00:50:39.959 --> 00:50:41.825 code. It's written very clearly in the zoning code and it's 00:50:41.827 --> 00:50:43.761 in the zoning code and it's based on, uh, as, as, as Kara 00:50:43.763 --> 00:50:45.629 based on, uh, as, as, as Kara wrote in her staff report, it's 00:50:45.631 --> 00:50:47.631 wrote in her staff report, it's based on the number of seats, 00:50:47.633 --> 00:50:49.700 based on the number of seats, the the capacity of the seats 00:50:49.702 --> 00:50:51.568 the the capacity of the seats in the building, not the number 00:50:51.570 --> 00:50:52.903 in the building, not the number of people who actually show up. 00:50:52.905 --> 00:50:55.505 of people who actually show up. Uh, on any for any given 00:50:55.507 --> 00:50:58.442 Uh, on any for any given service or event, um, so, um, 00:50:58.444 --> 00:51:00.978 service or event, um, so, um, it would be, it would be. 00:51:00.980 --> 00:51:01.979 it would be, it would be. Arbitrary and beyond the scope 00:51:01.981 --> 00:51:04.849 Arbitrary and beyond the scope of the of the city ordinance to 00:51:04.851 --> 00:51:06.383 of the of the city ordinance to require them to report to us 00:51:06.385 --> 00:51:08.319 require them to report to us for the purposes of parking, 00:51:08.321 --> 00:51:09.987 for the purposes of parking, how many people are coming to 00:51:09.989 --> 00:51:11.655 how many people are coming to their services. OK, so we, we, 00:51:11.657 --> 00:51:12.989 their services. OK, so we, we, we really shouldn't be imposing 00:51:12.991 --> 00:51:16.393 we really shouldn't be imposing that condition on them. For 00:51:16.395 --> 00:51:21.098 that condition on them. For that, so the number of seats 00:51:21.100 --> 00:51:21.932 that, so the number of seats would match the parking, great, 00:51:21.934 --> 00:51:27.471 would match the parking, great, thank you. Good question. any 00:51:27.473 --> 00:51:31.341 thank you. Good question. any further discussion. All right, 00:51:31.343 --> 00:51:33.911 further discussion. All right, uh, can we vote all in favor? 00:51:33.913 --> 00:51:38.348 uh, can we vote all in favor? Say hi. He oppose Right, motion 00:51:38.350 --> 00:51:43.220 Say hi. He oppose Right, motion carries. Let's go to the 2nd. 00:51:43.222 --> 00:51:44.755 carries. Let's go to the 2nd. Motion made to recommend 00:51:44.757 --> 00:51:47.224 Motion made to recommend approval, adapt and findings of 00:51:47.226 --> 00:51:51.962 approval, adapt and findings of factor. For the approval at a 00:51:51.964 --> 00:51:54.031 factor. For the approval at a variance request for a building 00:51:54.033 --> 00:51:55.365 variance request for a building addition subject to the 00:51:55.367 --> 00:51:55.899 addition subject to the conditions in the draft 00:51:55.901 --> 00:51:58.068 conditions in the draft resolution. All right, motion 00:51:58.070 --> 00:51:59.369 resolution. All right, motion has been made. Can I get a 00:51:59.371 --> 00:52:02.039 has been made. Can I get a second? All right, Ocean has 00:52:02.041 --> 00:52:04.441 second? All right, Ocean has been 2nd, uh, any discussion on 00:52:04.443 --> 00:52:05.576 been 2nd, uh, any discussion on this, right? Further discussion. 00:52:05.578 --> 00:52:10.848 this, right? Further discussion. If not, uh, can we vote all in 00:52:10.850 --> 00:52:14.084 If not, uh, can we vote all in favor say aye. Any opposed? All 00:52:14.086 --> 00:52:15.453 favor say aye. Any opposed? All right, motion carries. This 00:52:15.455 --> 00:52:16.520 right, motion carries. This will be going to city council 00:52:16.522 --> 00:52:21.192 will be going to city council when? This will be going to 00:52:21.194 --> 00:52:22.192 when? This will be going to planning our city council on 00:52:22.194 --> 00:52:25.195 planning our city council on January 27th. January 27th. All 00:52:25.197 --> 00:52:29.967 January 27th. January 27th. All right, great. Thanks. All right, 00:52:29.969 --> 00:52:31.735 right, great. Thanks. All right, we'll move on to, um, Mr. Chair, 00:52:31.737 --> 00:52:32.903 we'll move on to, um, Mr. Chair, I'm sorry, this is probably the 00:52:32.905 --> 00:52:33.671 I'm sorry, this is probably the 3rd time I've interrupted to 00:52:33.673 --> 00:52:34.605 3rd time I've interrupted to this meeting. I don't mean to 00:52:34.607 --> 00:52:38.441 this meeting. I don't mean to do that. Um, if you don't mind, 00:52:38.443 --> 00:52:39.943 do that. Um, if you don't mind, I'd like to go back to, to 00:52:39.945 --> 00:52:41.479 I'd like to go back to, to speak a minute to the previous 00:52:41.481 --> 00:52:43.347 speak a minute to the previous agenda item. Um, it was, I was 00:52:43.349 --> 00:52:45.182 agenda item. Um, it was, I was a little thrown by the, the 00:52:45.184 --> 00:52:48.085 a little thrown by the, the chaos in the room, um, and so I 00:52:48.087 --> 00:52:48.953 chaos in the room, um, and so I wasn't thinking clearly and 00:52:48.955 --> 00:52:50.153 wasn't thinking clearly and frankly, I was a little thrown 00:52:50.155 --> 00:52:52.089 frankly, I was a little thrown by the outcome, the vote 00:52:52.091 --> 00:52:55.960 by the outcome, the vote outcome on that one, So Where 00:52:55.962 --> 00:52:59.630 outcome on that one, So Where we are now is the commission, 00:52:59.632 --> 00:53:01.098 we are now is the commission, um, did not, uh, there was a 00:53:01.100 --> 00:53:02.566 um, did not, uh, there was a motion on the table. There's a 00:53:02.568 --> 00:53:05.435 motion on the table. There's a motion on the floor to approve 00:53:05.437 --> 00:53:06.437 motion on the floor to approve staff recommendation that 00:53:06.439 --> 00:53:07.571 staff recommendation that motion failed, correct? That's 00:53:07.573 --> 00:53:08.906 motion failed, correct? That's correct. And that's where the 00:53:08.908 --> 00:53:12.109 correct. And that's where the commission left it. Um, so as 00:53:12.111 --> 00:53:14.511 commission left it. Um, so as it stands now, Uh, we had staff 00:53:14.513 --> 00:53:16.813 it stands now, Uh, we had staff will report to the to the city 00:53:16.815 --> 00:53:17.515 will report to the to the city council that that that's what 00:53:17.517 --> 00:53:22.152 council that that that's what happened. Um, that is not an 00:53:22.154 --> 00:53:23.120 happened. Um, that is not an affirmative recommendation 00:53:23.122 --> 00:53:24.054 affirmative recommendation recommendation of something to 00:53:24.056 --> 00:53:27.257 recommendation of something to the city council. OK, so, uh, 00:53:27.259 --> 00:53:32.396 the city council. OK, so, uh, you could leave it at that. Um 00:53:32.398 --> 00:53:34.898 you could leave it at that. Um Uh, just to be totally honest, 00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:35.866 Uh, just to be totally honest, I will explain very 00:53:35.868 --> 00:53:36.934 I will explain very vociferously to the city 00:53:36.936 --> 00:53:38.335 vociferously to the city council that is, it is their 00:53:38.337 --> 00:53:40.070 council that is, it is their obligation to approve that 00:53:40.072 --> 00:53:41.138 obligation to approve that subdivision application because 00:53:41.140 --> 00:53:41.872 subdivision application because it meets the requirements of 00:53:41.874 --> 00:53:45.108 it meets the requirements of the code. You could choose, and 00:53:45.110 --> 00:53:46.577 the code. You could choose, and I wouldn't, would not know how 00:53:46.579 --> 00:53:49.947 I wouldn't, would not know how to advise you on this. Um, you 00:53:49.949 --> 00:53:53.817 to advise you on this. Um, you could choose to make a case to 00:53:53.819 --> 00:53:54.818 could choose to make a case to the city council that it does 00:53:54.820 --> 00:53:56.886 the city council that it does not meet. The requirements of 00:53:56.888 --> 00:53:59.690 not meet. The requirements of the zoning code, you'd have to 00:53:59.692 --> 00:54:02.859 the zoning code, you'd have to have some specifics there, um. 00:54:02.861 --> 00:54:05.029 have some specifics there, um. And they could consider that. 00:54:05.031 --> 00:54:06.630 And they could consider that. Um, but I just wanna, I wanna 00:54:06.632 --> 00:54:08.298 Um, but I just wanna, I wanna make sure I'm advising you, uh, 00:54:08.300 --> 00:54:10.033 make sure I'm advising you, uh, on what you, what, where you 00:54:10.035 --> 00:54:13.136 on what you, what, where you are now and what you could do. 00:54:13.138 --> 00:54:16.640 are now and what you could do. Um, you could also entertain 00:54:16.642 --> 00:54:17.374 Um, you could also entertain emotion to reconsider and take 00:54:17.376 --> 00:54:22.946 emotion to reconsider and take another vote. Right. May I ask, 00:54:22.948 --> 00:54:27.117 another vote. Right. May I ask, uh, uh, are there other 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.252 uh, uh, are there other Implications uh for us, knowing 00:54:29.254 --> 00:54:32.789 Implications uh for us, knowing that, uh, uh, we did not follow, 00:54:32.791 --> 00:54:37.928 that, uh, uh, we did not follow, um, the If you will guiding 00:54:37.930 --> 00:54:38.528 um, the If you will guiding principles set by unders 00:54:38.530 --> 00:54:40.664 principles set by unders understood, Mr. Chair, um, 00:54:40.666 --> 00:54:44.067 understood, Mr. Chair, um, Members of the commission. If 00:54:44.069 --> 00:54:45.069 Members of the commission. If the outcome at the end of the 00:54:45.071 --> 00:54:47.805 the outcome at the end of the day is that the city council 00:54:47.807 --> 00:54:49.940 day is that the city council approves the subdivision. Um, 00:54:49.942 --> 00:54:51.575 approves the subdivision. Um, then I don't have any concerns. 00:54:51.577 --> 00:54:55.045 then I don't have any concerns. Um If the city council takes 00:54:55.047 --> 00:54:56.680 Um If the city council takes advice from the planning 00:54:56.682 --> 00:54:57.615 advice from the planning commission and denies the 00:54:57.617 --> 00:54:58.949 commission and denies the subdivision. I have very 00:54:58.951 --> 00:54:59.950 subdivision. I have very serious legal concerns about 00:54:59.952 --> 00:55:04.421 serious legal concerns about the city's exposure. That's 00:55:04.423 --> 00:55:05.622 the city's exposure. That's what I suspected. I have a 00:55:05.624 --> 00:55:09.626 what I suspected. I have a question. Because I think where 00:55:09.628 --> 00:55:12.496 question. Because I think where my concerns are. And just to be 00:55:12.498 --> 00:55:15.365 my concerns are. And just to be very frank. Mitigation should 00:55:15.367 --> 00:55:17.501 very frank. Mitigation should have been part of this verse is 00:55:17.503 --> 00:55:23.240 have been part of this verse is just what the rules are. 00:55:23.242 --> 00:55:24.441 just what the rules are. Outreach, have conversations, 00:55:24.443 --> 00:55:25.843 Outreach, have conversations, explain this to the neighbors 00:55:25.845 --> 00:55:30.547 explain this to the neighbors because If that was my block. I 00:55:30.549 --> 00:55:32.382 because If that was my block. I would want someone to explain 00:55:32.384 --> 00:55:33.851 would want someone to explain to me, or at least reach out to 00:55:33.853 --> 00:55:37.788 to me, or at least reach out to me. Just reach out to me, let 00:55:37.790 --> 00:55:39.456 me. Just reach out to me, let me know, like mitigation should 00:55:39.458 --> 00:55:42.592 me know, like mitigation should have been part of this. And I 00:55:42.594 --> 00:55:44.928 have been part of this. And I have concerns with just Moving 00:55:44.930 --> 00:55:47.330 have concerns with just Moving something through. And I don't 00:55:47.332 --> 00:55:50.267 something through. And I don't think it was fair. To the 00:55:50.269 --> 00:55:51.535 think it was fair. To the residents to not know what was 00:55:51.537 --> 00:55:55.872 residents to not know what was being moved through. I get it. 00:55:55.874 --> 00:55:57.774 being moved through. I get it. The the owner can do whatever 00:55:57.776 --> 00:56:00.277 The the owner can do whatever the owner wants to do. I 00:56:00.279 --> 00:56:01.311 the owner wants to do. I understand that, but if you're, 00:56:01.313 --> 00:56:02.079 understand that, but if you're, we're talking about being a 00:56:02.081 --> 00:56:05.482 we're talking about being a neighbor. There's mitigation. 00:56:05.484 --> 00:56:06.483 neighbor. There's mitigation. There's some things that we can 00:56:06.485 --> 00:56:09.553 There's some things that we can avoid. And I think maybe that's 00:56:09.555 --> 00:56:10.754 avoid. And I think maybe that's what the neighbor should have 00:56:10.756 --> 00:56:13.356 what the neighbor should have done, be neighborly. Know who 00:56:13.358 --> 00:56:14.758 done, be neighborly. Know who your your neighbors are. 00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.127 your your neighbors are. Explain this. If there was a 00:56:17.129 --> 00:56:18.661 Explain this. If there was a situation that forced her, 00:56:18.663 --> 00:56:21.231 situation that forced her, where she has to do this. I'm 00:56:21.233 --> 00:56:23.400 where she has to do this. I'm not saying that you have to go 00:56:23.402 --> 00:56:24.434 not saying that you have to go into detail about it, but at 00:56:24.436 --> 00:56:28.038 into detail about it, but at least Bring people along. If 00:56:28.040 --> 00:56:32.075 least Bring people along. If this is what you want to do. 00:56:32.077 --> 00:56:34.377 this is what you want to do. Cause that's what neighbors do. 00:56:34.379 --> 00:56:42.052 Cause that's what neighbors do. But Um, uh, thank you, uh, 00:56:42.054 --> 00:56:42.853 But Um, uh, thank you, uh, Commissioner, in a perfect 00:56:42.855 --> 00:56:45.122 Commissioner, in a perfect world. I would agree with you, 00:56:45.124 --> 00:56:47.725 world. I would agree with you, but this is not a perfect world. 00:56:47.727 --> 00:56:51.795 but this is not a perfect world. Um, this is a Maybe you might 00:56:51.797 --> 00:56:52.763 Um, this is a Maybe you might call it a complex as I would 00:56:52.765 --> 00:56:55.732 call it a complex as I would just, you know, situation. 00:56:55.734 --> 00:56:57.134 just, you know, situation. You've got the rights of the 00:56:57.136 --> 00:56:58.235 You've got the rights of the owner to do whatever they want 00:56:58.237 --> 00:57:00.470 owner to do whatever they want to do with their property. And 00:57:00.472 --> 00:57:02.806 to do with their property. And you've got, uh, you know, the 00:57:02.808 --> 00:57:03.741 you've got, uh, you know, the neighbors who've lived there 00:57:03.743 --> 00:57:05.675 neighbors who've lived there for a long time who want to 00:57:05.677 --> 00:57:06.343 for a long time who want to impose their own set up of 00:57:06.345 --> 00:57:08.411 impose their own set up of morality. And we're going to 00:57:08.413 --> 00:57:10.347 morality. And we're going to use that those strong words on 00:57:10.349 --> 00:57:11.481 use that those strong words on the propaganda. We, we don't 00:57:11.483 --> 00:57:14.151 the propaganda. We, we don't know what the owner. You know, 00:57:14.153 --> 00:57:16.153 know what the owner. You know, what the situation is, maybe we 00:57:16.155 --> 00:57:18.889 what the situation is, maybe we might have an aging parents, um, 00:57:18.891 --> 00:57:21.090 might have an aging parents, um, maybe, um. You know, uh, you 00:57:21.092 --> 00:57:22.492 maybe, um. You know, uh, you know, you know, uh, a child, 00:57:22.494 --> 00:57:26.296 know, you know, uh, a child, you know, that has a uh no no 00:57:26.298 --> 00:57:27.697 you know, that has a uh no no special needs. We don't know 00:57:27.699 --> 00:57:28.565 special needs. We don't know all that, you know, so that 00:57:28.567 --> 00:57:32.703 all that, you know, so that honor. Has to take care of him 00:57:32.705 --> 00:57:35.572 honor. Has to take care of him or herself before he listens to 00:57:35.574 --> 00:57:36.974 or herself before he listens to the uh uh the neighbors who, 00:57:36.976 --> 00:57:38.575 the uh uh the neighbors who, who wants to see Turkey. I mean, 00:57:38.577 --> 00:57:40.244 who wants to see Turkey. I mean, I, I, I do want to see Turkey 00:57:40.246 --> 00:57:42.512 I, I, I do want to see Turkey or wildlife. But then again, 00:57:42.514 --> 00:57:44.314 or wildlife. But then again, you know, you know, we, we, we, 00:57:44.316 --> 00:57:46.149 you know, you know, we, we, we, we, we have to look at that 00:57:46.151 --> 00:57:48.785 we, we have to look at that situation. And besides, If the 00:57:48.787 --> 00:57:49.453 situation. And besides, If the neighborhood has that kind of 00:57:49.455 --> 00:57:52.055 neighborhood has that kind of power. What makes you think 00:57:52.057 --> 00:57:53.323 power. What makes you think that excuse me, what what makes 00:57:53.325 --> 00:57:54.391 that excuse me, what what makes you think they they they won't 00:57:54.393 --> 00:57:57.060 you think they they they won't use it. And in other words, 00:57:57.062 --> 00:57:59.362 use it. And in other words, like, uh, we, we don't like the 00:57:59.364 --> 00:58:00.063 like, uh, we, we don't like the height of that person, you know, 00:58:00.065 --> 00:58:01.999 height of that person, you know, coming in. We don't like this. 00:58:02.001 --> 00:58:03.466 coming in. We don't like this. Let's make issues out of this 00:58:03.468 --> 00:58:04.801 Let's make issues out of this to get that, that, that, that, 00:58:04.803 --> 00:58:06.203 to get that, that, that, that, you know, trouble for that 00:58:06.205 --> 00:58:08.338 you know, trouble for that person to, to be out of there. 00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:11.074 person to, to be out of there. So, um, I am I understand, you 00:58:11.076 --> 00:58:12.142 So, um, I am I understand, you know, that, you know, and and 00:58:12.144 --> 00:58:14.144 know, that, you know, and and if I'm buying a house, I'm I'm 00:58:14.146 --> 00:58:15.746 if I'm buying a house, I'm I'm not gonna go check check with 00:58:15.748 --> 00:58:16.813 not gonna go check check with the neighbors, get, get, get, 00:58:16.815 --> 00:58:18.582 the neighbors, get, get, get, get that, you know, that, that 00:58:18.584 --> 00:58:20.050 get that, you know, that, that permission to live there or not 00:58:20.052 --> 00:58:21.551 permission to live there or not live there. I'll buy the house 00:58:21.553 --> 00:58:23.153 live there. I'll buy the house if they like me, that's fine. 00:58:23.155 --> 00:58:24.688 if they like me, that's fine. You know, that's that's the 00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:26.556 You know, that's that's the perfect world. If they don't, 00:58:26.558 --> 00:58:27.557 perfect world. If they don't, that's also fine. You know, I 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.693 that's also fine. You know, I don't have to force anybody. So, 00:58:29.695 --> 00:58:32.696 don't have to force anybody. So, so my take is You know, um, if, 00:58:32.698 --> 00:58:34.497 so my take is You know, um, if, if the neighborhood have this 00:58:34.499 --> 00:58:36.900 if the neighborhood have this kind of passion. Why didn't 00:58:36.902 --> 00:58:37.834 kind of passion. Why didn't they go talk to the owner and 00:58:37.836 --> 00:58:38.969 they go talk to the owner and say, you know what, these are 00:58:38.971 --> 00:58:41.171 say, you know what, these are our concerns. Why, why do I 00:58:41.173 --> 00:58:44.574 our concerns. Why, why do I have to come in, so so so no, 00:58:44.576 --> 00:58:47.577 have to come in, so so so no, the owner so no, the owner to 00:58:47.579 --> 00:58:49.712 the owner so no, the owner to avoid this. Can I to avoid this. 00:58:49.714 --> 00:58:50.513 avoid this. Can I to avoid this. Can I to avoid this. Can I get, 00:58:50.515 --> 00:58:52.849 Can I to avoid this. Can I get, I get no, no, no, we, we're not 00:58:52.851 --> 00:58:55.652 I get no, no, no, we, we're not gonna, we, we can't go back and 00:58:55.654 --> 00:58:56.786 gonna, we, we can't go back and forth, yeah, you think we 00:58:56.788 --> 00:58:57.654 forth, yeah, you think we should look back on it, on it, 00:58:57.656 --> 00:58:59.189 should look back on it, on it, and I want to give the reason 00:58:59.191 --> 00:59:01.324 and I want to give the reason why I voted against it. I think 00:59:01.326 --> 00:59:04.461 why I voted against it. I think it, it, it does that uh owner 00:59:04.463 --> 00:59:05.462 it, it, it does that uh owner was actually interested in 00:59:05.464 --> 00:59:06.429 was actually interested in doing something that, that, 00:59:06.431 --> 00:59:07.997 doing something that, that, that, that is worthwhile. They 00:59:07.999 --> 00:59:09.065 that, that is worthwhile. They should have been here too, so 00:59:09.067 --> 00:59:09.733 should have been here too, so they can explain because I'm 00:59:09.735 --> 00:59:11.468 they can explain because I'm not gonna go get. I'm not gonna 00:59:11.470 --> 00:59:16.005 not gonna go get. I'm not gonna guess what they think. OK, 00:59:16.007 --> 00:59:16.806 guess what they think. OK, great. I vote against it 00:59:16.808 --> 00:59:17.841 great. I vote against it because I don't even know what 00:59:17.843 --> 00:59:19.809 because I don't even know what they're thinking, right? And I 00:59:19.811 --> 00:59:21.411 they're thinking, right? And I can imagine, I would sit down 00:59:21.413 --> 00:59:23.213 can imagine, I would sit down to make up what they think is, 00:59:23.215 --> 00:59:24.681 to make up what they think is, is the reason they are doing it 00:59:24.683 --> 00:59:29.086 is the reason they are doing it for. So when I see that, I 00:59:29.088 --> 00:59:29.953 for. So when I see that, I appreciate the comment in the 00:59:29.955 --> 00:59:31.021 appreciate the comment in the presentation, there was nothing 00:59:31.023 --> 00:59:34.391 presentation, there was nothing to convince me in this 00:59:34.393 --> 00:59:35.358 to convince me in this presentation. Commissioner Waco, 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.361 presentation. Commissioner Waco, thank you. I, I just wanna, uh, 00:59:37.363 --> 00:59:39.229 thank you. I, I just wanna, uh, I think, uh, just a little bit 00:59:39.231 --> 00:59:40.897 I think, uh, just a little bit uh to be back, uh, let's, let's 00:59:40.899 --> 00:59:43.433 uh to be back, uh, let's, let's pull back a little bit our 00:59:43.435 --> 00:59:45.435 pull back a little bit our conversations and kind of uh. 00:59:45.437 --> 00:59:47.104 conversations and kind of uh. procedural question, uh, the 00:59:47.106 --> 00:59:49.372 procedural question, uh, the procedural question is we. The 00:59:49.374 --> 00:59:52.309 procedural question is we. The agenda is duly presented. We 00:59:52.311 --> 00:59:54.444 agenda is duly presented. We deliberated is for action. 00:59:54.446 --> 00:59:56.046 deliberated is for action. Action could be in the favor. 00:59:56.048 --> 00:59:58.515 Action could be in the favor. Or in the know. There's no 00:59:58.517 --> 01:00:00.517 Or in the know. There's no option. If there is option 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:01.384 option. If there is option already with expectation of 01:00:01.386 --> 01:00:03.753 already with expectation of just in the in the in the case 01:00:03.755 --> 01:00:05.121 just in the in the in the case of just positive affirmative, 01:00:05.123 --> 01:00:07.090 of just positive affirmative, then, you know, we are not 01:00:07.092 --> 01:00:08.725 then, you know, we are not doing a due diligence and 01:00:08.727 --> 01:00:10.260 doing a due diligence and making a, a conscious that may 01:00:10.262 --> 01:00:12.429 making a, a conscious that may be right, it may be wrong, but 01:00:12.431 --> 01:00:14.063 be right, it may be wrong, but we're making our conscious 01:00:14.065 --> 01:00:15.098 we're making our conscious decisions after deliberation. 01:00:15.100 --> 01:00:17.134 decisions after deliberation. So that's what we have done. It 01:00:17.136 --> 01:00:20.069 So that's what we have done. It may not be to the satisfactory 01:00:20.071 --> 01:00:22.606 may not be to the satisfactory of anybody. But the majority of 01:00:22.608 --> 01:00:25.342 of anybody. But the majority of these parties spoke. And we 01:00:25.344 --> 01:00:27.277 these parties spoke. And we cannot just go down the rabbit 01:00:27.279 --> 01:00:29.212 cannot just go down the rabbit hole and now why we did the way 01:00:29.214 --> 01:00:30.413 hole and now why we did the way we did and I think procedurally. 01:00:30.415 --> 01:00:33.951 we did and I think procedurally. That's not right to go there 01:00:33.953 --> 01:00:39.389 That's not right to go there right now and we have do. He 01:00:39.391 --> 01:00:40.023 right now and we have do. He deliberated, everybody made 01:00:40.025 --> 01:00:42.492 deliberated, everybody made their mind. And conscious with 01:00:42.494 --> 01:00:44.294 their mind. And conscious with full information. And made a 01:00:44.296 --> 01:00:46.062 full information. And made a decision. That's correct, and 01:00:46.064 --> 01:00:47.431 decision. That's correct, and we're gonna, we're gonna live 01:00:47.433 --> 01:00:49.999 we're gonna, we're gonna live if we're gonna revisit again, 01:00:50.001 --> 01:00:52.369 if we're gonna revisit again, that's in order if we're gonna 01:00:52.371 --> 01:00:53.870 that's in order if we're gonna and other than that, I think, 01:00:53.872 --> 01:00:56.306 and other than that, I think, uh, you know, uh, to rehash as 01:00:56.308 --> 01:00:58.108 uh, you know, uh, to rehash as to why I took certain actions, 01:00:58.110 --> 01:01:01.011 to why I took certain actions, why I did this, I think, I 01:01:01.013 --> 01:01:02.746 why I did this, I think, I think it's not procedurally. 01:01:02.748 --> 01:01:04.314 think it's not procedurally. Appropriate at this moment is 01:01:04.316 --> 01:01:06.650 Appropriate at this moment is what I feel. Thank you. Can I 01:01:06.652 --> 01:01:08.518 what I feel. Thank you. Can I ask a procedural Commissioner 01:01:08.520 --> 01:01:11.655 ask a procedural Commissioner Frasier, you wanna. Yes, so, um, 01:01:11.657 --> 01:01:13.523 Frasier, you wanna. Yes, so, um, I just want to say I, I 01:01:13.525 --> 01:01:16.860 I just want to say I, I understand that this was a an 01:01:16.862 --> 01:01:18.795 understand that this was a an emotional and complex situation. 01:01:18.797 --> 01:01:19.929 emotional and complex situation. I too enjoy green space. That's 01:01:19.931 --> 01:01:22.666 I too enjoy green space. That's why I moved to Brooklyn Park, 01:01:22.668 --> 01:01:24.334 why I moved to Brooklyn Park, so I definitely understood what 01:01:24.336 --> 01:01:25.201 so I definitely understood what the residents, where they were 01:01:25.203 --> 01:01:28.672 the residents, where they were coming from. I think our 01:01:28.674 --> 01:01:31.474 coming from. I think our responsibility as a planning 01:01:31.476 --> 01:01:33.209 responsibility as a planning commission is to um approve 01:01:33.211 --> 01:01:35.611 commission is to um approve things based on the zoning code 01:01:35.613 --> 01:01:37.080 things based on the zoning code and sometimes those are 01:01:37.082 --> 01:01:38.882 and sometimes those are difficult decisions that we 01:01:38.884 --> 01:01:40.750 difficult decisions that we have to make, um, with that 01:01:40.752 --> 01:01:43.420 have to make, um, with that said, I think in situations 01:01:43.422 --> 01:01:46.523 said, I think in situations like this, we need where we are 01:01:46.525 --> 01:01:49.459 like this, we need where we are not able to make a decision 01:01:49.461 --> 01:01:52.028 not able to make a decision based on what we've heard, I 01:01:52.030 --> 01:01:55.732 based on what we've heard, I think, um, In my opinion, it's 01:01:55.734 --> 01:01:59.602 think, um, In my opinion, it's best for us to defer that and 01:01:59.604 --> 01:02:02.039 best for us to defer that and recommend, uh, you know, and 01:02:02.041 --> 01:02:04.574 recommend, uh, you know, and come back to it because I. I 01:02:04.576 --> 01:02:09.879 come back to it because I. I think There could have been 01:02:09.881 --> 01:02:10.780 think There could have been deferment for more conversation 01:02:10.782 --> 01:02:13.616 deferment for more conversation cause I felt like the, the 01:02:13.618 --> 01:02:16.853 cause I felt like the, the residents were not as informed 01:02:16.855 --> 01:02:18.721 residents were not as informed of the situation and that kind 01:02:18.723 --> 01:02:20.457 of the situation and that kind of triggered some, some of the 01:02:20.459 --> 01:02:22.959 of triggered some, some of the things that we saw today. So I 01:02:22.961 --> 01:02:25.996 things that we saw today. So I think that in the future, uh, 01:02:25.998 --> 01:02:29.132 think that in the future, uh, it might be helpful to defer 01:02:29.134 --> 01:02:32.469 it might be helpful to defer until some of those 01:02:32.471 --> 01:02:34.071 until some of those conversations occur with the, 01:02:34.073 --> 01:02:35.905 conversations occur with the, the neighbor, not saying that 01:02:35.907 --> 01:02:38.541 the neighbor, not saying that it will change any decisions, 01:02:38.543 --> 01:02:41.010 it will change any decisions, but to make sure that people 01:02:41.012 --> 01:02:44.981 but to make sure that people are heard, um. And they 01:02:44.983 --> 01:02:46.683 are heard, um. And they understand what our obligations 01:02:46.685 --> 01:02:51.154 understand what our obligations are. OK, so thank you. I echo 01:02:51.156 --> 01:02:52.221 are. OK, so thank you. I echo what you were gonna say what 01:02:52.223 --> 01:02:54.424 what you were gonna say what you said and what you said is 01:02:54.426 --> 01:02:56.426 you said and what you said is to I feel like my obligation is 01:02:56.428 --> 01:02:57.760 to I feel like my obligation is to acknowledge that there's 01:02:57.762 --> 01:03:00.296 to acknowledge that there's rules in place, and we have a 01:03:00.298 --> 01:03:01.430 rules in place, and we have a community that we represent 01:03:01.432 --> 01:03:02.732 community that we represent that has concerns that they are 01:03:02.734 --> 01:03:04.767 that has concerns that they are here to speak of. And when we 01:03:04.769 --> 01:03:05.969 here to speak of. And when we can't answer that, whether it's 01:03:05.971 --> 01:03:07.570 can't answer that, whether it's in a different meeting or we 01:03:07.572 --> 01:03:10.507 in a different meeting or we give time, I'd be happy to 01:03:10.509 --> 01:03:11.174 give time, I'd be happy to entertain this conversation 01:03:11.176 --> 01:03:15.145 entertain this conversation again when When we have all the 01:03:15.147 --> 01:03:16.246 again when When we have all the information for, for me as a 01:03:16.248 --> 01:03:18.882 information for, for me as a representative of the people to 01:03:18.884 --> 01:03:20.784 representative of the people to have this many people giving me 01:03:20.786 --> 01:03:21.584 have this many people giving me feedback that something's wrong 01:03:21.586 --> 01:03:22.986 feedback that something's wrong here. I need to take a deep 01:03:22.988 --> 01:03:25.322 here. I need to take a deep breath and, and I'm curious 01:03:25.324 --> 01:03:26.322 breath and, and I'm curious procedurally, could this come 01:03:26.324 --> 01:03:28.057 procedurally, could this come back in front of us before it 01:03:28.059 --> 01:03:30.127 back in front of us before it goes to city council. When 01:03:30.129 --> 01:03:31.127 goes to city council. When something else happens for 01:03:31.129 --> 01:03:32.529 something else happens for whatever is the reason that we 01:03:32.531 --> 01:03:33.864 whatever is the reason that we have this many people. Um, 01:03:33.866 --> 01:03:35.331 have this many people. Um, that's what I feel is part of 01:03:35.333 --> 01:03:36.399 that's what I feel is part of that, that feeling of like, I 01:03:36.401 --> 01:03:37.934 that, that feeling of like, I can't move that forward when 01:03:37.936 --> 01:03:38.768 can't move that forward when there's something there there. 01:03:38.770 --> 01:03:43.940 there's something there there. Sounds great. Right, and then 01:03:43.942 --> 01:03:46.009 Sounds great. Right, and then again that's and I understand 01:03:46.011 --> 01:03:51.481 again that's and I understand all of that, you know, um. I, 01:03:51.483 --> 01:03:54.017 all of that, you know, um. I, uh, and, and I hear you, Paul. 01:03:54.019 --> 01:04:00.156 uh, and, and I hear you, Paul. Well, uh, uh, but I, uh, uh. 01:04:00.158 --> 01:04:04.560 Well, uh, uh, but I, uh, uh. Procedurally, uh, I think the, 01:04:04.562 --> 01:04:05.895 Procedurally, uh, I think the, uh, uh, the commissioners heard 01:04:05.897 --> 01:04:08.798 uh, uh, the commissioners heard the residents and they made a 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:10.700 the residents and they made a decision and the decision was 01:04:10.702 --> 01:04:14.237 decision and the decision was not to uh uh approved. Uh, we 01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.039 not to uh uh approved. Uh, we understand your position that 01:04:16.041 --> 01:04:18.508 understand your position that you'll take that recommendation 01:04:18.510 --> 01:04:22.946 you'll take that recommendation to or let the city council know 01:04:22.948 --> 01:04:24.647 to or let the city council know and uh obviously uh let them 01:04:24.649 --> 01:04:26.249 and uh obviously uh let them know their role and 01:04:26.251 --> 01:04:27.183 know their role and responsibility and they will 01:04:27.185 --> 01:04:30.186 responsibility and they will decide. Accordingly, right? And 01:04:30.188 --> 01:04:32.789 decide. Accordingly, right? And so I think we've made our 01:04:32.791 --> 01:04:36.793 so I think we've made our decision, uh, and, uh, Uh, we 01:04:36.795 --> 01:04:39.128 decision, uh, and, uh, Uh, we understand your position. I go, 01:04:39.130 --> 01:04:40.730 understand your position. I go, Mr. Chair, I completely 01:04:40.732 --> 01:04:42.532 Mr. Chair, I completely appreciate that. My, my main 01:04:42.534 --> 01:04:43.900 appreciate that. My, my main intention was simply to make 01:04:43.902 --> 01:04:46.336 intention was simply to make sure because the parts that I 01:04:46.338 --> 01:04:47.804 sure because the parts that I neglected to say at right after 01:04:47.806 --> 01:04:50.206 neglected to say at right after the vote was, you may want to 01:04:50.208 --> 01:04:51.741 the vote was, you may want to take advantage of the 01:04:51.743 --> 01:04:54.143 take advantage of the opportunity you have to make, 01:04:54.145 --> 01:04:56.079 opportunity you have to make, uh, an affirmative case of some 01:04:56.081 --> 01:04:56.980 uh, an affirmative case of some sort to the planning commission, 01:04:56.982 --> 01:04:58.681 sort to the planning commission, because my, you know, uh, I'm a 01:04:58.683 --> 01:05:00.149 because my, you know, uh, I'm a big defender of the planning 01:05:00.151 --> 01:05:01.484 big defender of the planning commission. Uh, I love you all 01:05:01.486 --> 01:05:03.019 commission. Uh, I love you all as individuals and as a body, 01:05:03.021 --> 01:05:07.290 as individuals and as a body, and I, I want your voice to be 01:05:07.292 --> 01:05:08.024 and I, I want your voice to be inform informing the decisions 01:05:08.026 --> 01:05:10.693 inform informing the decisions that the that City council is 01:05:10.695 --> 01:05:14.364 that the that City council is making, um, and, um, so, and 01:05:14.366 --> 01:05:16.432 making, um, and, um, so, and that's and that's the typical 01:05:16.434 --> 01:05:18.901 that's and that's the typical way it goes, um, in any city in 01:05:18.903 --> 01:05:19.735 way it goes, um, in any city in a relationship between a 01:05:19.737 --> 01:05:22.105 a relationship between a planning commission and a city 01:05:22.107 --> 01:05:24.140 planning commission and a city council is, um, if the council, 01:05:24.142 --> 01:05:26.909 council is, um, if the council, or sorry, if the planning 01:05:26.911 --> 01:05:28.578 or sorry, if the planning commission is recommending, um, 01:05:28.580 --> 01:05:29.478 commission is recommending, um, denial of an application, 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:31.114 denial of an application, they're going to include 01:05:31.116 --> 01:05:32.882 they're going to include reasons, um, you know, findings 01:05:32.884 --> 01:05:34.784 reasons, um, you know, findings of fact, uh, for the council to, 01:05:34.786 --> 01:05:36.753 of fact, uh, for the council to, to chew on uh in a way when 01:05:36.755 --> 01:05:37.853 to chew on uh in a way when they make their final decision. 01:05:37.855 --> 01:05:39.122 they make their final decision. So that that was. The main 01:05:39.124 --> 01:05:42.124 So that that was. The main intent of my, of what I was, um, 01:05:42.126 --> 01:05:42.992 intent of my, of what I was, um, suggesting to make sure you 01:05:42.994 --> 01:05:46.062 suggesting to make sure you understand you have the 01:05:46.064 --> 01:05:46.763 understand you have the opportunity to do that because 01:05:46.765 --> 01:05:48.064 opportunity to do that because that's what I was stumbling on, 01:05:48.066 --> 01:05:49.332 that's what I was stumbling on, where do I have that 01:05:49.334 --> 01:05:50.633 where do I have that opportunity to explain my vote. 01:05:50.635 --> 01:05:52.101 opportunity to explain my vote. Well, and so that, so that 01:05:52.103 --> 01:05:53.502 Well, and so that, so that would be something that the, 01:05:53.504 --> 01:05:54.570 would be something that the, the planning commission would, 01:05:54.572 --> 01:05:55.672 the planning commission would, you know, deliberate. Somebody 01:05:55.674 --> 01:05:56.939 you know, deliberate. Somebody would have to make a motion, 01:05:56.941 --> 01:05:59.008 would have to make a motion, you know, I hear the reasons 01:05:59.010 --> 01:06:01.678 you know, I hear the reasons I'm laying out about why this 01:06:01.680 --> 01:06:04.681 I'm laying out about why this doesn't um meet the, the 01:06:04.683 --> 01:06:05.682 doesn't um meet the, the subdivision regulations, um, 01:06:05.684 --> 01:06:07.083 subdivision regulations, um, and then you, you, you know, 01:06:07.085 --> 01:06:08.618 and then you, you, you know, just like any other motion, uh, 01:06:08.620 --> 01:06:10.086 just like any other motion, uh, you'd, you'd take about to 01:06:10.088 --> 01:06:11.287 you'd, you'd take about to forward that on. You don't have 01:06:11.289 --> 01:06:12.622 forward that on. You don't have to do it. I just wanted to make 01:06:12.624 --> 01:06:13.490 to do it. I just wanted to make sure you understood the 01:06:13.492 --> 01:06:17.627 sure you understood the opportunity to do that. So you, 01:06:17.629 --> 01:06:20.029 opportunity to do that. So you, you find a way to articulate 01:06:20.031 --> 01:06:28.871 you find a way to articulate why this doesn't meet the. to, 01:06:28.873 --> 01:06:30.840 why this doesn't meet the. to, um, you know, the city council. 01:06:30.842 --> 01:06:36.446 um, you know, the city council. Uh, to, um, To ourselves and to 01:06:36.448 --> 01:06:37.513 Uh, to, um, To ourselves and to the people, you know, who came 01:06:37.515 --> 01:06:40.283 the people, you know, who came to us for, for guidance to 01:06:40.285 --> 01:06:42.251 to us for, for guidance to explain why we deviated from, 01:06:42.253 --> 01:06:44.120 explain why we deviated from, you know, you know, from, from 01:06:44.122 --> 01:06:48.725 you know, you know, from, from the letdown procedure. And and 01:06:48.727 --> 01:06:49.558 the letdown procedure. And and but otherwise. So I will, I 01:06:49.560 --> 01:07:02.472 but otherwise. So I will, I will make that motion. I don't 01:07:02.474 --> 01:07:04.540 will make that motion. I don't know if anyone here can, well, 01:07:04.542 --> 01:07:07.944 know if anyone here can, well, maybe I shouldn't speak, uh, 01:07:07.946 --> 01:07:09.412 maybe I shouldn't speak, uh, can articulate why this doesn't 01:07:09.414 --> 01:07:14.884 can articulate why this doesn't meet the zoning. Regulations, 01:07:14.886 --> 01:07:17.286 meet the zoning. Regulations, right? And so we're just going, 01:07:17.288 --> 01:07:18.755 right? And so we're just going, we're just going to, I know 01:07:18.757 --> 01:07:21.424 we're just going to, I know this is my opinion, we're just 01:07:21.426 --> 01:07:24.561 this is my opinion, we're just going to talk about what Staff 01:07:24.563 --> 01:07:26.363 going to talk about what Staff or what the the neighbors and 01:07:26.365 --> 01:07:27.963 or what the the neighbors and everyone else would say it 01:07:27.965 --> 01:07:32.101 everyone else would say it won't be based off. Rules and 01:07:32.103 --> 01:07:34.704 won't be based off. Rules and regulations. Well, we do have 01:07:34.706 --> 01:07:37.640 regulations. Well, we do have the rules and And this is a 01:07:37.642 --> 01:07:38.375 the rules and And this is a situation that has happened to 01:07:38.377 --> 01:07:41.244 situation that has happened to me. You know, I bought a piece 01:07:41.246 --> 01:07:43.446 me. You know, I bought a piece of land in Saint Francis. You 01:07:43.448 --> 01:07:47.049 of land in Saint Francis. You know, 3 or 4 acres. You know, 01:07:47.051 --> 01:07:48.985 know, 3 or 4 acres. You know, they never thought I was gonna 01:07:48.987 --> 01:07:49.853 they never thought I was gonna do some, some development with 01:07:49.855 --> 01:07:52.588 do some, some development with it or whatever. And they sent 01:07:52.590 --> 01:07:53.456 it or whatever. And they sent in some representatives to come 01:07:53.458 --> 01:07:54.857 in some representatives to come and talk to me, and that's what 01:07:54.859 --> 01:07:55.991 and talk to me, and that's what should have happened here. You 01:07:55.993 --> 01:07:57.060 should have happened here. You know, you know, they thought 01:07:57.062 --> 01:07:57.860 know, you know, they thought and I say, hey, you know, we, 01:07:57.862 --> 01:07:59.695 and I say, hey, you know, we, we, we like this land, um, you 01:07:59.697 --> 01:08:01.264 we, we like this land, um, you know, you know, and they are 01:08:01.266 --> 01:08:02.098 know, you know, and they are very nicely said, do you don't 01:08:02.100 --> 01:08:03.098 very nicely said, do you don't want to do anything with it, 01:08:03.100 --> 01:08:03.800 want to do anything with it, please don't do anything with 01:08:03.802 --> 01:08:05.201 please don't do anything with it. We like it this way. And I, 01:08:05.203 --> 01:08:07.136 it. We like it this way. And I, I, you know, luckily I didn't 01:08:07.138 --> 01:08:08.738 I, you know, luckily I didn't plan on doing anything with it. 01:08:08.740 --> 01:08:10.807 plan on doing anything with it. But, you know, I kind of played 01:08:10.809 --> 01:08:12.675 But, you know, I kind of played along, I know, you know, I did 01:08:12.677 --> 01:08:14.677 along, I know, you know, I did him a big favor and, you know, 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:15.878 him a big favor and, you know, and he settled down, but that's 01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:16.812 and he settled down, but that's what should have happened here, 01:08:16.814 --> 01:08:18.013 what should have happened here, you know, this was not the form. 01:08:18.015 --> 01:08:23.820 you know, this was not the form. that to to to happen and we 01:08:23.822 --> 01:08:25.221 that to to to happen and we Went along with it instead of 01:08:25.223 --> 01:08:26.222 Went along with it instead of going to what we were supposed 01:08:26.224 --> 01:08:27.690 going to what we were supposed to do, which is said yes and no. 01:08:27.692 --> 01:08:29.292 to do, which is said yes and no. Does it meet the criteria? Yes, 01:08:29.294 --> 01:08:31.828 Does it meet the criteria? Yes, it doesn't, no. And then advise 01:08:31.830 --> 01:08:33.629 it doesn't, no. And then advise them to do some something 01:08:33.631 --> 01:08:35.364 them to do some something different or like she said, 01:08:35.366 --> 01:08:36.699 different or like she said, maybe say, hey. Go that live 01:08:36.701 --> 01:08:38.968 maybe say, hey. Go that live and come back. But since we did 01:08:38.970 --> 01:08:41.437 and come back. But since we did not do that, You know, and we 01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:42.505 not do that, You know, and we just sent a thing to the, to 01:08:42.507 --> 01:08:44.340 just sent a thing to the, to the council, the city council, 01:08:44.342 --> 01:08:47.243 the council, the city council, saying, OK. Um, the, the part 01:08:47.245 --> 01:08:51.447 saying, OK. Um, the, the part was we Um, did you know we 01:08:51.449 --> 01:08:52.849 was we Um, did you know we neglected to do what you said, 01:08:52.851 --> 01:08:53.649 neglected to do what you said, you know, that what was 01:08:53.651 --> 01:08:54.717 you know, that what was assigned to us, which is yes or 01:08:54.719 --> 01:08:57.720 assigned to us, which is yes or no. You know, we, we know we 01:08:57.722 --> 01:09:00.056 no. You know, we, we know we got to consider that even if it 01:09:00.058 --> 01:09:02.959 got to consider that even if it met the criteria. So we use 01:09:02.961 --> 01:09:04.427 met the criteria. So we use some other arbitrary cri 01:09:04.429 --> 01:09:05.461 some other arbitrary cri criteria and, and we, we, you 01:09:05.463 --> 01:09:07.530 criteria and, and we, we, you know, we, we rejected it. You 01:09:07.532 --> 01:09:09.132 know, we, we rejected it. You know, and, you know, if that 01:09:09.134 --> 01:09:10.433 know, and, you know, if that happened, then, you know, then 01:09:10.435 --> 01:09:11.868 happened, then, you know, then that's, there's some questions 01:09:11.870 --> 01:09:14.303 that's, there's some questions that may be asked, why do we do 01:09:14.305 --> 01:09:15.838 that may be asked, why do we do that? I think I don't know, 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:17.273 that? I think I don't know, maybe you guys can correct me 01:09:17.275 --> 01:09:18.942 maybe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but you voted yes 01:09:18.944 --> 01:09:23.813 if I'm wrong, but you voted yes or no. My, they voted yes or no, 01:09:23.815 --> 01:09:30.052 or no. My, they voted yes or no, right? And so why we split in 01:09:30.054 --> 01:09:31.420 right? And so why we split in the past. OK. Why is this any 01:09:31.422 --> 01:09:36.893 the past. OK. Why is this any different? We split our votes 01:09:36.895 --> 01:09:39.696 different? We split our votes in the pad. We we were you know 01:09:39.698 --> 01:09:42.098 in the pad. We we were you know things that were not moved 01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:43.132 things that were not moved forward or recommended that it 01:09:43.134 --> 01:09:44.600 forward or recommended that it didn't, you know, we've done 01:09:44.602 --> 01:09:47.003 didn't, you know, we've done this in the past. Why is this 01:09:47.005 --> 01:09:49.972 this in the past. Why is this one different? I appreciate. 01:09:49.974 --> 01:09:52.107 one different? I appreciate. Can we go back and revisit this 01:09:52.109 --> 01:09:54.443 Can we go back and revisit this later. I, I still think 01:09:54.445 --> 01:09:57.714 later. I, I still think mitigation is important. You 01:09:57.716 --> 01:09:58.915 mitigation is important. You just said that. I agree with 01:09:58.917 --> 01:10:00.450 just said that. I agree with you. I don't know I don't know 01:10:00.452 --> 01:10:03.653 you. I don't know I don't know I, let's just come back to this 01:10:03.655 --> 01:10:06.923 I, let's just come back to this because I think this is a step 01:10:06.925 --> 01:10:09.858 because I think this is a step that was missed. So I'm not 01:10:09.860 --> 01:10:12.662 that was missed. So I'm not saying that it has to be. I'm 01:10:12.664 --> 01:10:14.697 saying that it has to be. I'm just saying what I'm saying is, 01:10:14.699 --> 01:10:16.866 just saying what I'm saying is, if we want to agree to move it 01:10:16.868 --> 01:10:19.602 if we want to agree to move it forward. At least in my 01:10:19.604 --> 01:10:21.003 forward. At least in my conscience, it would feel 01:10:21.005 --> 01:10:24.340 conscience, it would feel better. Because I'm not that 01:10:24.342 --> 01:10:31.180 better. Because I'm not that person who's just going to. OK 01:10:31.182 --> 01:10:34.551 person who's just going to. OK denied. Mhm. What people bring 01:10:34.553 --> 01:10:36.286 denied. Mhm. What people bring personal biases or whatever, it 01:10:36.288 --> 01:10:39.488 personal biases or whatever, it happens all the time. So why is 01:10:39.490 --> 01:10:40.957 happens all the time. So why is this any different? What I'm 01:10:40.959 --> 01:10:42.425 this any different? What I'm saying is that there is more 01:10:42.427 --> 01:10:48.164 saying is that there is more that needs to be done. Before. 01:10:48.166 --> 01:10:49.966 that needs to be done. Before. I get it. It's in black and 01:10:49.968 --> 01:10:51.768 I get it. It's in black and white. I understand that. But 01:10:51.770 --> 01:10:56.105 white. I understand that. But does it make it right? Yeah, 01:10:56.107 --> 01:10:58.040 does it make it right? Yeah, it's uh I think that's what 01:10:58.042 --> 01:11:00.776 it's uh I think that's what everyone is saying. Yeah, it 01:11:00.778 --> 01:11:10.986 everyone is saying. Yeah, it Yeah, it Yeah. But, but it, 01:11:10.988 --> 01:11:13.990 Yeah, it Yeah. But, but it, it's, it's not their property. 01:11:13.992 --> 01:11:15.658 it's, it's not their property. OK, uh, we can, we, we could be 01:11:15.660 --> 01:11:18.327 OK, uh, we can, we, we could be here on, we, we, we could be 01:11:18.329 --> 01:11:21.397 here on, we, we, we could be here on, we, we According to 01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:22.898 here on, we, we According to the law, you can, you know, 01:11:22.900 --> 01:11:28.204 the law, you can, you know, within the bounds of the law 01:11:28.206 --> 01:11:30.739 within the bounds of the law right, OK, yeah, we get it, we 01:11:30.741 --> 01:11:32.541 right, OK, yeah, we get it, we get it, we get it, we get it, 01:11:32.543 --> 01:11:34.477 get it, we get it, we get it, we get it. We get it I get it. 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:38.614 we get it. We get it I get it. We get it. I get it. So, uh, uh, 01:11:38.616 --> 01:11:40.016 We get it. I get it. So, uh, uh, since we have a city council 01:11:40.018 --> 01:11:44.220 since we have a city council rep who's going to Gonna have 01:11:44.222 --> 01:11:46.422 rep who's going to Gonna have to battle for you while you're 01:11:46.424 --> 01:11:50.459 to battle for you while you're no. No, uh, McGarvey 01:11:50.461 --> 01:11:51.427 no. No, uh, McGarvey commissioner actually have my 01:11:51.429 --> 01:11:52.828 commissioner actually have my button pushed. I have studied 01:11:52.830 --> 01:11:55.231 button pushed. I have studied up on my role as a liaison, and 01:11:55.233 --> 01:11:56.766 up on my role as a liaison, and I can contribute to the 01:11:56.768 --> 01:11:59.168 I can contribute to the conversation. I have discovered. 01:11:59.170 --> 01:12:00.236 conversation. I have discovered. I just can't vote. So I'd like 01:12:00.238 --> 01:12:02.839 I just can't vote. So I'd like to take a point of personal 01:12:02.841 --> 01:12:04.907 to take a point of personal privilege and simply point out. 01:12:04.909 --> 01:12:08.778 privilege and simply point out. Put this in context. When you, 01:12:08.780 --> 01:12:15.785 Put this in context. When you, when this body Voted yes or no. 01:12:15.787 --> 01:12:18.187 when this body Voted yes or no. On the legitimacy of the 01:12:18.189 --> 01:12:19.722 On the legitimacy of the request to subdivide the lot 01:12:19.724 --> 01:12:20.923 request to subdivide the lot across the street from my house. 01:12:20.925 --> 01:12:27.530 across the street from my house. And my wife came. And gave the 01:12:27.532 --> 01:12:28.598 And my wife came. And gave the same exact arguments that these 01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.534 same exact arguments that these people gave. It flew right 01:12:31.536 --> 01:12:34.503 people gave. It flew right through this committee. And 01:12:34.505 --> 01:12:36.405 through this committee. And Being on the city council, I 01:12:36.407 --> 01:12:37.339 Being on the city council, I recused myself because it 01:12:37.341 --> 01:12:41.277 recused myself because it affected me. But It had to go 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:43.679 affected me. But It had to go through the city council. It 01:12:43.681 --> 01:12:45.681 through the city council. It had to pass because it did not, 01:12:45.683 --> 01:12:49.018 had to pass because it did not, nothing. We are in a, what is 01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:50.486 nothing. We are in a, what is it, a quasi-judicial role at 01:12:50.488 --> 01:12:52.555 it, a quasi-judicial role at that point as city council 01:12:52.557 --> 01:12:56.092 that point as city council members. We, we. Make a ruling 01:12:56.094 --> 01:12:57.960 members. We, we. Make a ruling as a judge would not based on 01:12:57.962 --> 01:13:00.262 as a judge would not based on opinion, not based on, I think 01:13:00.264 --> 01:13:02.665 opinion, not based on, I think the, the real crux of the issue 01:13:02.667 --> 01:13:04.032 the, the real crux of the issue here is a whole bunch of people 01:13:04.034 --> 01:13:08.303 here is a whole bunch of people showed up. And they made us all 01:13:08.305 --> 01:13:13.509 showed up. And they made us all very uncomfortable. Um, and I 01:13:13.511 --> 01:13:15.110 very uncomfortable. Um, and I understand, I understand their 01:13:15.112 --> 01:13:16.445 understand, I understand their frustration because I feel the 01:13:16.447 --> 01:13:17.914 frustration because I feel the same way about the lot across 01:13:17.916 --> 01:13:19.382 same way about the lot across the street from my house, 01:13:19.384 --> 01:13:20.916 the street from my house, however, none of this 01:13:20.918 --> 01:13:23.919 however, none of this conversation happened. When 01:13:23.921 --> 01:13:28.124 conversation happened. When that was taking place. Um Just 01:13:28.126 --> 01:13:30.059 that was taking place. Um Just for context is my point. I 01:13:30.061 --> 01:13:31.727 for context is my point. I think there was just a step in 01:13:31.729 --> 01:13:39.602 think there was just a step in my opinion. Yeah. In a neighbor 01:13:39.604 --> 01:13:43.472 my opinion. Yeah. In a neighbor Just have. That's all I'm 01:13:43.474 --> 01:13:46.209 Just have. That's all I'm saying, and we understand that 01:13:46.211 --> 01:13:47.610 saying, and we understand that that should have taken place, 01:13:47.612 --> 01:13:51.013 that should have taken place, um. Can we, uh, you know, I, I, 01:13:51.015 --> 01:13:52.615 um. Can we, uh, you know, I, I, I still wanna go back to, you 01:13:52.617 --> 01:13:57.019 I still wanna go back to, you know, just, uh. You know, to 01:13:57.021 --> 01:13:59.956 know, just, uh. You know, to keep this, uh, you know. Our 01:13:59.958 --> 01:14:03.158 keep this, uh, you know. Our deliberative process and And 01:14:03.160 --> 01:14:05.828 deliberative process and And that, um, You know, decision 01:14:05.830 --> 01:14:08.431 that, um, You know, decision that. is provided to us yes or 01:14:08.433 --> 01:14:11.967 that. is provided to us yes or no, right? be conscious and yes 01:14:11.969 --> 01:14:14.303 no, right? be conscious and yes or no. If it's already, you 01:14:14.305 --> 01:14:15.705 or no. If it's already, you know, if it's already 01:14:15.707 --> 01:14:16.839 know, if it's already automatically known, it has to 01:14:16.841 --> 01:14:20.008 automatically known, it has to be yes. Why would we deliberate 01:14:20.010 --> 01:14:21.677 be yes. Why would we deliberate and spend to make sure. You 01:14:21.679 --> 01:14:22.845 and spend to make sure. You know, I think we need to, you 01:14:22.847 --> 01:14:24.647 know, I think we need to, you know, this is something that we 01:14:24.649 --> 01:14:26.649 know, this is something that we have to also discuss in the 01:14:26.651 --> 01:14:27.650 have to also discuss in the work session, something that we 01:14:27.652 --> 01:14:29.051 work session, something that we have to take on in the work 01:14:29.053 --> 01:14:31.654 have to take on in the work session, not in this stage, you 01:14:31.656 --> 01:14:34.323 session, not in this stage, you know, uh. But, you know, we 01:14:34.325 --> 01:14:36.659 know, uh. But, you know, we need also to know that. All of 01:14:36.661 --> 01:14:39.728 need also to know that. All of us here To respond to that yes 01:14:39.730 --> 01:14:41.597 us here To respond to that yes or no. Sure, yeah, and that 01:14:41.599 --> 01:14:47.169 or no. Sure, yeah, and that need to be. I think respect. 01:14:47.171 --> 01:14:48.604 need to be. I think respect. And it shouldn't be, shouldn't 01:14:48.606 --> 01:14:51.474 And it shouldn't be, shouldn't be, shouldn't go to the level 01:14:51.476 --> 01:14:52.942 be, shouldn't go to the level of being rehashing or 01:14:52.944 --> 01:14:53.676 of being rehashing or challenging or, you know, it 01:14:53.678 --> 01:14:56.111 challenging or, you know, it could be for a different day. 01:14:56.113 --> 01:14:57.746 could be for a different day. It could be deferred, you know, 01:14:57.748 --> 01:14:59.148 It could be deferred, you know, somebody could make a motion to, 01:14:59.150 --> 01:15:01.417 somebody could make a motion to, you know, they call it back and, 01:15:01.419 --> 01:15:04.420 you know, they call it back and, and defer it for another day to 01:15:04.422 --> 01:15:05.221 and defer it for another day to look into that alternative. 01:15:05.223 --> 01:15:07.890 look into that alternative. That's option. But to challenge 01:15:07.892 --> 01:15:10.659 That's option. But to challenge the decisions of Uh, somebody 01:15:10.661 --> 01:15:13.863 the decisions of Uh, somebody else's decision is not. In in 01:15:13.865 --> 01:15:16.365 else's decision is not. In in purview of anybody here and 01:15:16.367 --> 01:15:18.167 purview of anybody here and just and, and, and if we can, 01:15:18.169 --> 01:15:21.370 just and, and, and if we can, yeah, and That's the decision 01:15:21.372 --> 01:15:25.441 yeah, and That's the decision that was made, right? And uh, 01:15:25.443 --> 01:15:28.644 that was made, right? And uh, just, uh, again, uh, even if it, 01:15:28.646 --> 01:15:32.548 just, uh, again, uh, even if it, yeah, let's say if it fails at 01:15:32.550 --> 01:15:34.984 yeah, let's say if it fails at the city council or or proof, 01:15:34.986 --> 01:15:36.853 the city council or or proof, uh, I'm sure you're familiar 01:15:36.855 --> 01:15:39.455 uh, I'm sure you're familiar with all the lawsuits that have 01:15:39.457 --> 01:15:41.724 with all the lawsuits that have happened with uh uh and the 01:15:41.726 --> 01:15:43.259 happened with uh uh and the price that you pay for that 01:15:43.261 --> 01:15:45.094 price that you pay for that decision that you, that you 01:15:45.096 --> 01:15:48.030 decision that you, that you make, so it's, it's one of 01:15:48.032 --> 01:15:48.664 make, so it's, it's one of those things that those who 01:15:48.666 --> 01:15:51.967 those things that those who don't abide by the rule, 01:15:51.969 --> 01:15:53.068 don't abide by the rule, sometimes I held accountable 01:15:53.070 --> 01:15:54.069 sometimes I held accountable for their decision for not 01:15:54.071 --> 01:15:57.640 for their decision for not following the rules. So just be 01:15:57.642 --> 01:16:01.677 following the rules. So just be Aware of. The impact of that 01:16:01.679 --> 01:16:04.079 Aware of. The impact of that decision that, that, that has 01:16:04.081 --> 01:16:06.949 decision that, that, that has been been made, so we've 01:16:06.951 --> 01:16:09.451 been been made, so we've delivered deliberated on this, 01:16:09.453 --> 01:16:10.353 delivered deliberated on this, you know because I just want to 01:16:10.355 --> 01:16:37.713 you know because I just want to make sure that. bring forth a 01:16:37.715 --> 01:16:39.648 make sure that. bring forth a comment as to why we made this 01:16:39.650 --> 01:16:44.119 comment as to why we made this decision. Because that can help 01:16:44.121 --> 01:16:47.856 decision. Because that can help inform them so they know. I, I 01:16:47.858 --> 01:16:49.291 inform them so they know. I, I don't want this coming back to 01:16:49.293 --> 01:16:51.160 don't want this coming back to the planet, not the planet, but 01:16:51.162 --> 01:16:55.397 the planet, not the planet, but Um, yeah, the planning. 01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:57.833 Um, yeah, the planning. division to if it's denied 01:16:57.835 --> 01:16:59.668 division to if it's denied because there could be 01:16:59.670 --> 01:17:01.036 because there could be potential challenges with that. 01:17:01.038 --> 01:17:04.073 potential challenges with that. So I just want to make sure 01:17:04.075 --> 01:17:05.140 So I just want to make sure with a serious decision like 01:17:05.142 --> 01:17:12.147 with a serious decision like this. We are as a body. add in 01:17:12.149 --> 01:17:14.817 this. We are as a body. add in some commentary to it as to why 01:17:14.819 --> 01:17:20.889 some commentary to it as to why we made that decision. You are 01:17:20.891 --> 01:17:21.757 we made that decision. You are now quick thing I would like to. 01:17:21.759 --> 01:17:25.227 now quick thing I would like to. Uh, just, um, as a question 01:17:25.229 --> 01:17:29.498 Uh, just, um, as a question would like to ask is, Uh, what 01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:32.167 would like to ask is, Uh, what the, you know, the outreach 01:17:32.169 --> 01:17:36.038 the, you know, the outreach part of the process. Um, I mean, 01:17:36.040 --> 01:17:39.241 part of the process. Um, I mean, the city or the uh planning 01:17:39.243 --> 01:17:42.244 the city or the uh planning department need to come out to 01:17:42.246 --> 01:17:44.179 department need to come out to the community and informs them 01:17:44.181 --> 01:17:46.782 the community and informs them about what is coming in their 01:17:46.784 --> 01:17:48.183 about what is coming in their neighborhood, was it done in 01:17:48.185 --> 01:17:50.052 neighborhood, was it done in your, I mean, is it, is it part 01:17:50.054 --> 01:17:53.722 your, I mean, is it, is it part of the process and uh um uh was 01:17:53.724 --> 01:17:54.823 of the process and uh um uh was it done even in your 01:17:54.825 --> 01:17:57.193 it done even in your neighborhood when that, no? So 01:17:57.195 --> 01:17:59.928 neighborhood when that, no? So it's not part of the process, 01:17:59.930 --> 01:18:01.864 it's not part of the process, right? That's what Mr. Chair. 01:18:01.866 --> 01:18:05.467 right? That's what Mr. Chair. Um Commissioner Kroso, members 01:18:05.469 --> 01:18:06.935 Um Commissioner Kroso, members of the commission, uh, there is 01:18:06.937 --> 01:18:08.871 of the commission, uh, there is a requirement, um, all, all, 01:18:08.873 --> 01:18:11.273 a requirement, um, all, all, all, all items that come before 01:18:11.275 --> 01:18:13.275 all, all items that come before you that require a public 01:18:13.277 --> 01:18:16.612 you that require a public hearing, um, um, there is a 01:18:16.614 --> 01:18:18.481 hearing, um, um, there is a requirement for um public 01:18:18.483 --> 01:18:19.548 requirement for um public notice of that public hearing, 01:18:19.550 --> 01:18:21.950 notice of that public hearing, that's a state statute. It's 01:18:21.952 --> 01:18:24.486 that's a state statute. It's also in city code, um, and part 01:18:24.488 --> 01:18:27.256 also in city code, um, and part of that is a mailing to all 01:18:27.258 --> 01:18:28.758 of that is a mailing to all property owners within 500 ft 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:31.093 property owners within 500 ft of the subject property, OK? So 01:18:31.095 --> 01:18:32.762 of the subject property, OK? So that is how the folks here knew 01:18:32.764 --> 01:18:33.429 that is how the folks here knew that this was on the table in 01:18:33.431 --> 01:18:34.963 that this was on the table in the first place. as they 01:18:34.965 --> 01:18:36.965 the first place. as they received that. Notice at their 01:18:36.967 --> 01:18:40.502 received that. Notice at their home. Um, with that includes a 01:18:40.504 --> 01:18:42.104 home. Um, with that includes a link to where they can find the 01:18:42.106 --> 01:18:43.305 link to where they can find the staff report, uh, at the same 01:18:43.307 --> 01:18:45.641 staff report, uh, at the same time you get it, um, uh, the 01:18:45.643 --> 01:18:48.310 time you get it, um, uh, the the the week before. Um, so all 01:18:48.312 --> 01:18:50.112 the the week before. Um, so all that information is, is out 01:18:50.114 --> 01:18:52.515 that information is, is out there and provided to um the 01:18:52.517 --> 01:18:53.983 there and provided to um the neighbor, neighboring property 01:18:53.985 --> 01:18:56.051 neighbor, neighboring property owners within, within 500 ft. 01:18:56.053 --> 01:18:58.187 owners within, within 500 ft. What's really common, um, every 01:18:58.189 --> 01:18:59.788 What's really common, um, every single month that we do this is, 01:18:59.790 --> 01:19:02.258 single month that we do this is, uh, we get a few phone calls or 01:19:02.260 --> 01:19:03.926 uh, we get a few phone calls or emails or whatever um from 01:19:03.928 --> 01:19:04.860 emails or whatever um from interested neighbors as, you 01:19:04.862 --> 01:19:05.594 interested neighbors as, you know, what, what is this? 01:19:05.596 --> 01:19:07.129 know, what, what is this? What's this all about? And we 01:19:07.131 --> 01:19:09.031 What's this all about? And we have those conversations with 01:19:09.033 --> 01:19:09.732 have those conversations with them and and explain what the 01:19:09.734 --> 01:19:12.401 them and and explain what the plan, what, what's going on and, 01:19:12.403 --> 01:19:14.470 plan, what, what's going on and, you know, 9 times out of 10, uh, 01:19:14.472 --> 01:19:15.838 you know, 9 times out of 10, uh, that's the end of the 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:16.538 that's the end of the interaction and then sometimes 01:19:16.540 --> 01:19:18.140 interaction and then sometimes people come. Um, and, and 01:19:18.142 --> 01:19:19.208 people come. Um, and, and testify as you saw tonight. So 01:19:19.210 --> 01:19:22.144 testify as you saw tonight. So yeah, there, there definitely 01:19:22.146 --> 01:19:23.078 yeah, there, there definitely is a notification requirement, 01:19:23.080 --> 01:19:26.448 is a notification requirement, um. Uh, I just want to say I 01:19:26.450 --> 01:19:28.016 um. Uh, I just want to say I actually, you know, separate 01:19:28.018 --> 01:19:30.252 actually, you know, separate from, you know, the, the all 01:19:30.254 --> 01:19:31.753 from, you know, the, the all things officialdom in my role 01:19:31.755 --> 01:19:33.555 things officialdom in my role here in, in, in, you know, 01:19:33.557 --> 01:19:34.623 here in, in, in, you know, making sure you understand the, 01:19:34.625 --> 01:19:35.958 making sure you understand the, the implications of the 01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:37.093 the implications of the decision. I just want to say 01:19:37.095 --> 01:19:40.429 decision. I just want to say that I, um, firmly agree that 01:19:40.431 --> 01:19:42.364 that I, um, firmly agree that just as a person on this planet, 01:19:42.366 --> 01:19:43.766 just as a person on this planet, and a person who also has 01:19:43.768 --> 01:19:45.901 and a person who also has neighbors, you know, that, um, 01:19:45.903 --> 01:19:46.568 neighbors, you know, that, um, neighbors should talk to one 01:19:46.570 --> 01:19:47.836 neighbors should talk to one another, and if you're 01:19:47.838 --> 01:19:48.637 another, and if you're proposing a change, and again, 01:19:48.639 --> 01:19:50.705 proposing a change, and again, I'm not talking about city 01:19:50.707 --> 01:19:52.107 I'm not talking about city requirements, um, that this 01:19:52.109 --> 01:19:53.575 requirements, um, that this meets all the requirements, the 01:19:53.577 --> 01:19:54.243 meets all the requirements, the procedurally, everything went 01:19:54.245 --> 01:19:55.978 procedurally, everything went exactly. As it is supposed to 01:19:55.980 --> 01:19:58.314 exactly. As it is supposed to go, uh, so this is not me as 01:19:58.316 --> 01:19:59.381 go, uh, so this is not me as the planning director saying, 01:19:59.383 --> 01:20:00.382 the planning director saying, uh, this applicant didn't meet 01:20:00.384 --> 01:20:03.319 uh, this applicant didn't meet the requirements. They did, um, 01:20:03.321 --> 01:20:04.553 the requirements. They did, um, but I personally agree that 01:20:04.555 --> 01:20:05.721 but I personally agree that it's good to interact with your 01:20:05.723 --> 01:20:06.955 it's good to interact with your neighbors and explain what 01:20:06.957 --> 01:20:08.858 neighbors and explain what you're doing. Um, uh, I think 01:20:08.860 --> 01:20:10.859 you're doing. Um, uh, I think that would be better, uh, and 01:20:10.861 --> 01:20:12.328 that would be better, uh, and this may have gone at least 01:20:12.330 --> 01:20:15.797 this may have gone at least somewhat better, maybe not. Not 01:20:15.799 --> 01:20:17.066 somewhat better, maybe not. Not perfectly, uh, if that had 01:20:17.068 --> 01:20:19.401 perfectly, uh, if that had happened, so. Thank you for 01:20:19.403 --> 01:20:23.005 happened, so. Thank you for explaining. Yeah, that's a very 01:20:23.007 --> 01:20:24.740 explaining. Yeah, that's a very um very uh informative, and I 01:20:24.742 --> 01:20:28.476 um very uh informative, and I think we can uh Kind of, uh, 01:20:28.478 --> 01:20:30.746 think we can uh Kind of, uh, there is an argument that says 01:20:30.748 --> 01:20:31.747 there is an argument that says we already deliberated and 01:20:31.749 --> 01:20:34.883 we already deliberated and decided, but if we Need to 01:20:34.885 --> 01:20:39.822 decided, but if we Need to comment. I think we can uh add 01:20:39.824 --> 01:20:42.224 comment. I think we can uh add something um in that room of, 01:20:42.226 --> 01:20:43.225 something um in that room of, uh, you know, saying something, 01:20:43.227 --> 01:20:49.565 uh, you know, saying something, you know, like, uh that is uh a 01:20:49.567 --> 01:20:50.966 you know, like, uh that is uh a public concern or a concern and 01:20:50.968 --> 01:20:53.502 public concern or a concern and the commission. believed that, 01:20:53.504 --> 01:20:55.904 the commission. believed that, you know, we may reconsider for 01:20:55.906 --> 01:20:56.838 you know, we may reconsider for the upcoming meeting, something 01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:07.983 the upcoming meeting, something like that. Yep. Uh. At this 01:21:07.985 --> 01:21:10.452 like that. Yep. Uh. At this rate, I don't think we'll agree 01:21:10.454 --> 01:21:11.753 rate, I don't think we'll agree on a comment on the statement. 01:21:11.755 --> 01:21:13.455 on a comment on the statement. So, so, so I, I, I said let, 01:21:13.457 --> 01:21:15.657 So, so, so I, I, I said let, let it go as it is and, and I 01:21:15.659 --> 01:21:19.394 let it go as it is and, and I will, we'll deal with it. You 01:21:19.396 --> 01:21:21.263 will, we'll deal with it. You know, we've got exactly, and I, 01:21:21.265 --> 01:21:25.267 know, we've got exactly, and I, you know. Uh, been a public 01:21:25.269 --> 01:21:29.872 you know. Uh, been a public body, uh. I would hate to have 01:21:29.874 --> 01:21:31.874 body, uh. I would hate to have another debate without the 01:21:31.876 --> 01:21:34.610 another debate without the public being here and um. You 01:21:34.612 --> 01:21:37.079 public being here and um. You know, we Said something, you 01:21:37.081 --> 01:21:38.413 know, we Said something, you know, I want to say something 01:21:38.415 --> 01:21:39.147 know, I want to say something different at the time, we 01:21:39.149 --> 01:21:40.649 different at the time, we should have said it, you know. 01:21:40.651 --> 01:21:43.986 should have said it, you know. Here, but we voted. That was 01:21:43.988 --> 01:21:46.088 Here, but we voted. That was our decision and uh we 01:21:46.090 --> 01:21:48.690 our decision and uh we understand what your next steps 01:21:48.692 --> 01:21:51.093 understand what your next steps are and uh. We'll deal with 01:21:51.095 --> 01:21:54.163 are and uh. We'll deal with that. You're comfortable with 01:21:54.165 --> 01:21:57.733 that. You're comfortable with that. Just a comment cause I, I 01:21:57.735 --> 01:22:01.637 that. Just a comment cause I, I heard that we have a couple of 01:22:01.639 --> 01:22:02.570 heard that we have a couple of public meetings that's 01:22:02.572 --> 01:22:06.642 public meetings that's happening after this. Um I 01:22:06.644 --> 01:22:08.711 happening after this. Um I guess maybe I'm looking for 01:22:08.713 --> 01:22:15.250 guess maybe I'm looking for some clarity, um, If we know 01:22:15.252 --> 01:22:19.087 some clarity, um, If we know How this is going to land. It's 01:22:19.089 --> 01:22:21.189 How this is going to land. It's almost like, you know, is it 01:22:21.191 --> 01:22:22.958 almost like, you know, is it false hope? You know, where 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:24.526 false hope? You know, where you're giving people 01:22:24.528 --> 01:22:26.061 you're giving people opportunities to share and 01:22:26.063 --> 01:22:28.397 opportunities to share and comment and, and we know what 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:29.798 comment and, and we know what the outcome is going to be. 01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:33.268 the outcome is going to be. Because The owner has rights, 01:22:33.270 --> 01:22:37.138 Because The owner has rights, right? So I just wonder, I'm 01:22:37.140 --> 01:22:39.007 right? So I just wonder, I'm just going to go back to 01:22:39.009 --> 01:22:40.876 just going to go back to mitigation. How do we make this 01:22:40.878 --> 01:22:42.745 mitigation. How do we make this right, where it's a win-win for 01:22:42.747 --> 01:22:46.048 right, where it's a win-win for everybody. Because I think 01:22:46.050 --> 01:22:49.285 everybody. Because I think that's what we can avoid. The 01:22:49.287 --> 01:22:52.754 that's what we can avoid. The bigger challenges. And this 01:22:52.756 --> 01:22:54.356 bigger challenges. And this just ties back into your 01:22:54.358 --> 01:22:55.624 just ties back into your comment, yours, and my original 01:22:55.626 --> 01:22:58.626 comment, yours, and my original comment. We just have to just 01:22:58.628 --> 01:23:01.030 comment. We just have to just make it right, and that's just 01:23:01.032 --> 01:23:01.563 make it right, and that's just communicating and being 01:23:01.565 --> 01:23:03.699 communicating and being transparent. But also 01:23:03.701 --> 01:23:07.569 transparent. But also empathizing. Empathizing with 01:23:07.571 --> 01:23:08.570 empathizing. Empathizing with the community, because we get 01:23:08.572 --> 01:23:12.908 the community, because we get it. And I understand, it was 01:23:12.910 --> 01:23:13.909 it. And I understand, it was just difficult for me to say 01:23:13.911 --> 01:23:15.577 just difficult for me to say yes, because I, I felt, I felt 01:23:15.579 --> 01:23:18.646 yes, because I, I felt, I felt it. And that's why we have 01:23:18.648 --> 01:23:20.382 it. And that's why we have public forums. That's why, 01:23:20.384 --> 01:23:21.850 public forums. That's why, because people want to express 01:23:21.852 --> 01:23:23.452 because people want to express their feelings and sometimes 01:23:23.454 --> 01:23:25.854 their feelings and sometimes you do empathize with that. But 01:23:25.856 --> 01:23:27.122 you do empathize with that. But I do wonder with the the two 01:23:27.124 --> 01:23:28.791 I do wonder with the the two meetings, I think I heard 2 01:23:28.793 --> 01:23:31.259 meetings, I think I heard 2 meetings. It's gonna happen 01:23:31.261 --> 01:23:33.795 meetings. It's gonna happen after this, um, there is an 01:23:33.797 --> 01:23:35.664 after this, um, there is an opportunity for perhaps The 01:23:35.666 --> 01:23:38.233 opportunity for perhaps The staff to kind of set the stage. 01:23:38.235 --> 01:23:41.202 staff to kind of set the stage. To just let people know. By law, 01:23:41.204 --> 01:23:44.005 To just let people know. By law, this is what the owner can do, 01:23:44.007 --> 01:23:47.342 this is what the owner can do, but also be empathetic. And 01:23:47.344 --> 01:23:49.010 but also be empathetic. And again, I, I agree and I, you 01:23:49.012 --> 01:23:53.548 again, I, I agree and I, you know, again, procedurally, it 01:23:53.550 --> 01:23:55.650 know, again, procedurally, it sounds like what I heard that 01:23:55.652 --> 01:23:58.620 sounds like what I heard that uh this is a. Somewhat of a 01:23:58.622 --> 01:24:00.088 uh this is a. Somewhat of a smart body of residents here. 01:24:00.090 --> 01:24:02.624 smart body of residents here. You know, you heard the one 01:24:02.626 --> 01:24:04.960 You know, you heard the one gentleman say he understands 01:24:04.962 --> 01:24:06.228 gentleman say he understands the procedure and he's willing 01:24:06.230 --> 01:24:08.963 the procedure and he's willing to buy the two parcels. It's 01:24:08.965 --> 01:24:11.199 to buy the two parcels. It's solved, right? And so he's not 01:24:11.201 --> 01:24:12.300 solved, right? And so he's not planning on doing anything, but 01:24:12.302 --> 01:24:13.635 planning on doing anything, but we can't sit here and predict 01:24:13.637 --> 01:24:15.104 we can't sit here and predict whether he's gonna buy that or 01:24:15.106 --> 01:24:17.839 whether he's gonna buy that or not or whatever it is. So there 01:24:17.841 --> 01:24:20.509 not or whatever it is. So there are smart body. They, you know, 01:24:20.511 --> 01:24:22.511 are smart body. They, you know, they have mitigation plans in 01:24:22.513 --> 01:24:24.313 they have mitigation plans in place if they want to, you know, 01:24:24.315 --> 01:24:26.849 place if they want to, you know, to solve this, so that's not 01:24:26.851 --> 01:24:31.386 to solve this, so that's not our job. I get it I think it's 01:24:31.388 --> 01:24:37.726 our job. I get it I think it's Sam. I mean, they, the the 01:24:37.728 --> 01:24:40.529 Sam. I mean, they, the the staff I guess the question, 01:24:40.531 --> 01:24:46.168 staff I guess the question, legally, when we come back to. 01:24:46.170 --> 01:24:49.204 legally, when we come back to. To this specific item, um, the 01:24:49.206 --> 01:24:52.607 To this specific item, um, the You, you could have chosen to, 01:24:52.609 --> 01:24:53.575 You, you could have chosen to, I wouldn't have advised this, 01:24:53.577 --> 01:24:54.976 I wouldn't have advised this, but like in terms of options 01:24:54.978 --> 01:24:56.678 but like in terms of options for procedures, you could have 01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:58.947 for procedures, you could have chosen as long as we had time 01:24:58.949 --> 01:25:00.349 chosen as long as we had time under the statute, and I'm not 01:25:00.351 --> 01:25:01.950 under the statute, and I'm not sure where we are in the 01:25:01.952 --> 01:25:02.717 sure where we are in the timeline under statute, but as 01:25:02.719 --> 01:25:05.353 timeline under statute, but as long as we had, as long as the 01:25:05.355 --> 01:25:08.490 long as we had, as long as the city had um Time to make the 01:25:08.492 --> 01:25:09.424 city had um Time to make the decision, you could have said, 01:25:09.426 --> 01:25:10.826 decision, you could have said, well, we're gonna, we're going 01:25:10.828 --> 01:25:13.295 well, we're gonna, we're going to push this off a month and 01:25:13.297 --> 01:25:15.831 to push this off a month and and do this again, um, next 01:25:15.833 --> 01:25:16.632 and do this again, um, next month, if that's something you 01:25:16.634 --> 01:25:18.099 month, if that's something you wanted to do, but you know, 01:25:18.101 --> 01:25:20.469 wanted to do, but you know, that, that ship has sailed at 01:25:20.471 --> 01:25:27.175 that, that ship has sailed at this point. You voted, yeah. 01:25:27.177 --> 01:25:28.776 this point. You voted, yeah. All right. Uh, city, I think, 01:25:28.778 --> 01:25:30.078 All right. Uh, city, I think, yeah, Paul, you have your 01:25:30.080 --> 01:25:31.046 yeah, Paul, you have your marching orders, so you know 01:25:31.048 --> 01:25:33.649 marching orders, so you know what to do next. I opened the 01:25:33.651 --> 01:25:35.851 what to do next. I opened the can of worms. We're going to go 01:25:35.853 --> 01:25:39.254 can of worms. We're going to go to the next agenda item, uh, uh, 01:25:39.256 --> 01:25:42.858 to the next agenda item, uh, uh, number 7. Uh, councilman Lee 01:25:42.860 --> 01:25:44.059 number 7. Uh, councilman Lee has a comments and 01:25:44.061 --> 01:25:45.861 has a comments and congratulations, by the way, 01:25:45.863 --> 01:25:47.729 congratulations, by the way, for uh your win and uh. Next 01:25:47.731 --> 01:25:50.399 for uh your win and uh. Next term. Thank you, Chair Kain. Um, 01:25:50.401 --> 01:25:53.401 term. Thank you, Chair Kain. Um, And another point of personal 01:25:53.403 --> 01:25:55.203 And another point of personal privilege, I do stand corrected. 01:25:55.205 --> 01:25:57.672 privilege, I do stand corrected. We did get the letter. However, 01:25:57.674 --> 01:25:59.207 We did get the letter. However, no one went around and asked 01:25:59.209 --> 01:26:01.143 no one went around and asked anybody what they thought about 01:26:01.145 --> 01:26:02.077 anybody what they thought about subdividing a lot across the 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:05.013 subdividing a lot across the street from my house, so to, to 01:26:05.015 --> 01:26:08.350 street from my house, so to, to straighten that out. Um, I have 01:26:08.352 --> 01:26:10.152 straighten that out. Um, I have nothing to report on as far as 01:26:10.154 --> 01:26:14.589 nothing to report on as far as council actions. Um, However, 01:26:14.591 --> 01:26:15.624 council actions. Um, However, everyone was sworn in Monday 01:26:15.626 --> 01:26:17.492 everyone was sworn in Monday night. We all got along. The 01:26:17.494 --> 01:26:18.827 night. We all got along. The mayor was sick, unfortunately, 01:26:18.829 --> 01:26:20.896 mayor was sick, unfortunately, so a whole lot of the agenda 01:26:20.898 --> 01:26:21.964 so a whole lot of the agenda got chopped off and we were out 01:26:21.966 --> 01:26:25.166 got chopped off and we were out of here in an hour. In 20 01:26:25.168 --> 01:26:27.368 of here in an hour. In 20 minutes. It was amazing. For 01:26:27.370 --> 01:26:30.171 minutes. It was amazing. For the cake and ice, you know, ice 01:26:30.173 --> 01:26:34.376 the cake and ice, you know, ice cream and all that so um. No, 01:26:34.378 --> 01:26:35.644 cream and all that so um. No, but, uh, thank you all for the 01:26:35.646 --> 01:26:38.714 but, uh, thank you all for the work you do. Happy New Year and, 01:26:38.716 --> 01:26:40.348 work you do. Happy New Year and, oh, as well, we have not had, 01:26:40.350 --> 01:26:44.052 oh, as well, we have not had, we have not. Gotten our 01:26:44.054 --> 01:26:45.720 we have not. Gotten our commission assignments yet, so 01:26:45.722 --> 01:26:47.055 commission assignments yet, so I don't know. I hope I get to 01:26:47.057 --> 01:26:48.523 I don't know. I hope I get to stay on this commission, but if 01:26:48.525 --> 01:26:50.859 stay on this commission, but if not, it's been great working 01:26:50.861 --> 01:26:55.130 not, it's been great working with you all and uh Um, but I'm, 01:26:55.132 --> 01:26:56.665 with you all and uh Um, but I'm, I'm lobbying to stay here. 01:26:56.667 --> 01:26:59.134 I'm lobbying to stay here. Sounds great. Awesome. Thank 01:26:59.136 --> 01:27:04.238 Sounds great. Awesome. Thank you. All right, uh. Uh, 8.1. 01:27:04.240 --> 01:27:05.741 you. All right, uh. Uh, 8.1. Next item, general item uh 01:27:05.743 --> 01:27:07.142 Next item, general item uh planning commission comments. 01:27:07.144 --> 01:27:08.010 planning commission comments. Anything further? or did you 01:27:08.012 --> 01:27:11.412 Anything further? or did you say enough? No To make sure you 01:27:11.414 --> 01:27:15.216 say enough? No To make sure you get by. Well, anyway, I think 01:27:15.218 --> 01:27:17.819 get by. Well, anyway, I think uh my First turn is coming to 01:27:17.821 --> 01:27:21.423 uh my First turn is coming to an end. I got a letter that I 01:27:21.425 --> 01:27:24.159 an end. I got a letter that I can reapply it and order the 01:27:24.161 --> 01:27:25.426 can reapply it and order the loan, you know, so I just 01:27:25.428 --> 01:27:27.228 loan, you know, so I just wanted to say that way whether 01:27:27.230 --> 01:27:28.730 wanted to say that way whether they call me back or they don't 01:27:28.732 --> 01:27:32.834 they call me back or they don't call me back. I wanted to just 01:27:32.836 --> 01:27:34.836 call me back. I wanted to just uh yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, 01:27:34.838 --> 01:27:37.105 uh yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a pleasure. No, sounds 01:27:37.107 --> 01:27:38.974 it's a pleasure. No, sounds great. I can, that's my first 01:27:38.976 --> 01:27:41.176 great. I can, that's my first time actually being part of 01:27:41.178 --> 01:27:42.110 time actually being part of this, the city thing and then 01:27:42.112 --> 01:27:47.282 this, the city thing and then uh. I, I, I sum on this, you 01:27:47.284 --> 01:27:49.184 uh. I, I, I sum on this, you know, through an error because 01:27:49.186 --> 01:27:51.987 know, through an error because when I was when I was live in 01:27:51.989 --> 01:27:53.055 when I was when I was live in my apartment to move into a 01:27:53.057 --> 01:27:55.324 my apartment to move into a house I thought I was going to 01:27:55.326 --> 01:27:55.991 house I thought I was going to get every information from the 01:27:55.993 --> 01:28:00.028 get every information from the city. And I can receive almost, 01:28:00.030 --> 01:28:02.397 city. And I can receive almost, I think, even the park and 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:03.732 I think, even the park and recreation, I've get emails 01:28:03.734 --> 01:28:07.802 recreation, I've get emails from them every day, so I get 01:28:07.804 --> 01:28:08.637 from them every day, so I get emails from everybody, so 01:28:08.639 --> 01:28:09.804 emails from everybody, so that's how I found all this 01:28:09.806 --> 01:28:12.941 that's how I found all this council, but yeah, I, I, I fill 01:28:12.943 --> 01:28:14.676 council, but yeah, I, I, I fill out the form again and I'm 01:28:14.678 --> 01:28:16.411 out the form again and I'm hoping I'm not, I don't know 01:28:16.413 --> 01:28:17.378 hoping I'm not, I don't know but if they accept me again, 01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:19.314 but if they accept me again, then I will be back, but other 01:28:19.316 --> 01:28:21.016 then I will be back, but other than that, it's a pleasure 01:28:21.018 --> 01:28:22.150 than that, it's a pleasure being here and I want to know 01:28:22.152 --> 01:28:24.619 being here and I want to know how the city works, uh, because 01:28:24.621 --> 01:28:26.088 how the city works, uh, because it's my home and I don't want 01:28:26.090 --> 01:28:28.823 it's my home and I don't want to be. Without knowing what is 01:28:28.825 --> 01:28:30.492 to be. Without knowing what is going on in the city anymore. 01:28:30.494 --> 01:28:32.026 going on in the city anymore. So next up, uh, you're running 01:28:32.028 --> 01:28:38.100 So next up, uh, you're running for mayor, huh? That's my next 01:28:38.102 --> 01:28:39.835 for mayor, huh? That's my next step um do we have any open 01:28:39.837 --> 01:28:44.439 step um do we have any open positions? Or will you Um Uh, 01:28:44.441 --> 01:28:45.573 positions? Or will you Um Uh, Mr. Chair, members of the 01:28:45.575 --> 01:28:46.775 Mr. Chair, members of the commission, I was actually on 01:28:46.777 --> 01:28:47.909 commission, I was actually on my my list for for my section, 01:28:47.911 --> 01:28:50.578 my my list for for my section, but yeah, there are, there are 01:28:50.580 --> 01:28:53.048 but yeah, there are, there are 3 seats up for reappointment. 01:28:53.050 --> 01:28:54.615 3 seats up for reappointment. Um, I, I can't recall off the 01:28:54.617 --> 01:28:55.917 Um, I, I can't recall off the top of my head which of the 01:28:55.919 --> 01:28:57.452 top of my head which of the seats they are. OK, so 01:28:57.454 --> 01:28:58.520 seats they are. OK, so commissioners are raising their 01:28:58.522 --> 01:29:02.390 commissioners are raising their hands, yeah, um, uh, but I, but 01:29:02.392 --> 01:29:03.825 hands, yeah, um, uh, but I, but nobody's turning out. Um, 01:29:03.827 --> 01:29:04.726 nobody's turning out. Um, everybody has the opportunity. 01:29:04.728 --> 01:29:06.595 everybody has the opportunity. I don't think anybody's term. 01:29:06.597 --> 01:29:09.197 I don't think anybody's term. You are? No. I thought, I 01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:11.400 You are? No. I thought, I thought, well, OK, I will get, 01:29:11.402 --> 01:29:12.801 thought, well, OK, I will get, I will inform myself about this. 01:29:12.803 --> 01:29:14.035 I will inform myself about this. I thought everybody had the 01:29:14.037 --> 01:29:14.869 I thought everybody had the opportunity to be reappointed. 01:29:14.871 --> 01:29:19.807 opportunity to be reappointed. I You're turning up? Oh yeah, 01:29:19.809 --> 01:29:22.210 I You're turning up? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We will, um, I, I 01:29:22.212 --> 01:29:23.411 yeah, yeah. We will, um, I, I know that, that our 01:29:23.413 --> 01:29:24.145 know that, that our administration department has 01:29:24.147 --> 01:29:25.347 administration department has been in contact with, with 01:29:25.349 --> 01:29:26.081 been in contact with, with those who are up for 01:29:26.083 --> 01:29:28.950 those who are up for reappointment. I will make sure 01:29:28.952 --> 01:29:29.751 reappointment. I will make sure that everybody's clear on, you 01:29:29.753 --> 01:29:32.687 that everybody's clear on, you know, where they are, yeah. 01:29:32.689 --> 01:29:37.024 know, where they are, yeah. Right. And new, new, new, um, 01:29:37.026 --> 01:29:40.295 Right. And new, new, new, um, recall that the um the 01:29:40.297 --> 01:29:41.362 recall that the um the beginning of the calendar year 01:29:41.364 --> 01:29:43.165 beginning of the calendar year for the purposes of those 01:29:43.167 --> 01:29:44.299 for the purposes of those appointments is in April. So 01:29:44.301 --> 01:29:45.633 appointments is in April. So that, that's when the new seats 01:29:45.635 --> 01:29:49.637 that, that's when the new seats take effect. OK. Commissioner 01:29:49.639 --> 01:29:50.839 take effect. OK. Commissioner Fraser, that you have something? 01:29:50.841 --> 01:29:59.314 Fraser, that you have something? Did you mention that um. gonna 01:29:59.316 --> 01:30:04.385 Did you mention that um. gonna OK. And then, uh Maybe you can 01:30:04.387 --> 01:30:07.723 OK. And then, uh Maybe you can mention this to, uh, uh. Any 01:30:07.725 --> 01:30:13.528 mention this to, uh, uh. Any plan on we keep uh reading uh 01:30:13.530 --> 01:30:14.596 plan on we keep uh reading uh uh uh 11 resident volunteers, 01:30:14.598 --> 01:30:17.432 uh uh 11 resident volunteers, two of which are young adults. 01:30:17.434 --> 01:30:18.966 two of which are young adults. Any strategy on, yeah, that's a 01:30:18.968 --> 01:30:20.802 Any strategy on, yeah, that's a really good question. Um, I 01:30:20.804 --> 01:30:22.470 really good question. Um, I haven't heard much about that 01:30:22.472 --> 01:30:23.472 haven't heard much about that lately, you know, this was 01:30:23.474 --> 01:30:25.607 lately, you know, this was initiative. Boys have been 2 01:30:25.609 --> 01:30:29.077 initiative. Boys have been 2 years now. Yeah, where, um, the 01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:30.144 years now. Yeah, where, um, the idea was to have, first, the 01:30:30.146 --> 01:30:33.014 idea was to have, first, the idea was to try to bring um 01:30:33.016 --> 01:30:34.949 idea was to try to bring um actual youth, you, you know, 01:30:34.951 --> 01:30:36.618 actual youth, you, you know, teens, under 18, uh, under the 01:30:36.620 --> 01:30:38.286 teens, under 18, uh, under the commission and there were some 01:30:38.288 --> 01:30:39.221 commission and there were some legal challenges to doing that, 01:30:39.223 --> 01:30:41.289 legal challenges to doing that, so it had to be modified, you 01:30:41.291 --> 01:30:43.891 so it had to be modified, you know, to be young adults over 01:30:43.893 --> 01:30:45.694 know, to be young adults over 18, um, and it's been, it's 01:30:45.696 --> 01:30:49.364 18, um, and it's been, it's been a struggle to recruit. 01:30:49.366 --> 01:30:50.565 been a struggle to recruit. Interested young people to to 01:30:50.567 --> 01:30:53.201 Interested young people to to serve, um, but I appreciate 01:30:53.203 --> 01:30:55.803 serve, um, but I appreciate that, um, reminder, I'll, I'll, 01:30:55.805 --> 01:30:57.172 that, um, reminder, I'll, I'll, I'll ask our administrative 01:30:57.174 --> 01:30:58.573 I'll ask our administrative folks, our administration folks 01:30:58.575 --> 01:31:01.910 folks, our administration folks about where that is, um. It was 01:31:01.912 --> 01:31:03.244 about where that is, um. It was a promising idea that hasn't 01:31:03.246 --> 01:31:05.780 a promising idea that hasn't come to fruition yet. No, not, 01:31:05.782 --> 01:31:07.749 come to fruition yet. No, not, it, it's, I think it, I think 01:31:07.751 --> 01:31:10.852 it, it's, I think it, I think the target age was at 18 to 24. 01:31:10.854 --> 01:31:15.089 the target age was at 18 to 24. Yeah, yeah. What about um The 01:31:15.091 --> 01:31:18.993 Yeah, yeah. What about um The problem here So we don't get 01:31:18.995 --> 01:31:22.864 problem here So we don't get outreach. correctly. Yeah, that, 01:31:22.866 --> 01:31:24.399 outreach. correctly. Yeah, that, that, in fact, that's where the 01:31:24.401 --> 01:31:26.334 that, in fact, that's where the idea came from, as I recall, 01:31:26.336 --> 01:31:33.074 idea came from, as I recall, yeah, yeah. All right, uh. It's 01:31:33.076 --> 01:31:43.885 yeah, yeah. All right, uh. It's just. Next, agenda item, uh, 9, 01:31:43.887 --> 01:31:45.887 just. Next, agenda item, uh, 9, staff liaison comments. Uh, 01:31:45.889 --> 01:31:47.689 staff liaison comments. Uh, commissioners, I have just a 01:31:47.691 --> 01:31:49.156 commissioners, I have just a few things to announce. One, 01:31:49.158 --> 01:31:50.625 few things to announce. One, you all know Matt Matt Hays 01:31:50.627 --> 01:31:52.227 you all know Matt Matt Hays Reagan, our, our program 01:31:52.229 --> 01:31:53.561 Reagan, our, our program assistant, you received the 01:31:53.563 --> 01:31:54.896 assistant, you received the emails from him for the 01:31:54.898 --> 01:31:56.097 emails from him for the planning for the planning 01:31:56.099 --> 01:31:56.898 planning for the planning commission agendas and many, 01:31:56.900 --> 01:31:58.766 commission agendas and many, many other things, um, I'm 01:31:58.768 --> 01:32:00.235 many other things, um, I'm pleased to announce that Matt 01:32:00.237 --> 01:32:02.170 pleased to announce that Matt has been promoted to associate 01:32:02.172 --> 01:32:04.606 has been promoted to associate planner, so he is now a planner 01:32:04.608 --> 01:32:06.074 planner, so he is now a planner on our staff and you'll see him 01:32:06.076 --> 01:32:09.644 on our staff and you'll see him up at the dais presenting um 01:32:09.646 --> 01:32:11.045 up at the dais presenting um Landy's applications. Uh, in 01:32:11.047 --> 01:32:14.516 Landy's applications. Uh, in fact, the, the, um, One of the 01:32:14.518 --> 01:32:15.984 fact, the, the, um, One of the items this evening was, was for 01:32:15.986 --> 01:32:17.118 items this evening was, was for him to present, uh, 01:32:17.120 --> 01:32:18.052 him to present, uh, unfortunately, he's home sick 01:32:18.054 --> 01:32:19.787 unfortunately, he's home sick this evening, um, but you'll 01:32:19.789 --> 01:32:21.456 this evening, um, but you'll see him next time, uh, which 01:32:21.458 --> 01:32:23.724 see him next time, uh, which means we're working on filling, 01:32:23.726 --> 01:32:24.659 means we're working on filling, um, his previous role, the 01:32:24.661 --> 01:32:25.726 um, his previous role, the program assistant, so next, 01:32:25.728 --> 01:32:26.928 program assistant, so next, next time you, uh, next time we 01:32:26.930 --> 01:32:27.996 next time you, uh, next time we have a meeting, you'll be 01:32:27.998 --> 01:32:28.930 have a meeting, you'll be getting those emails from 01:32:28.932 --> 01:32:31.966 getting those emails from somebody else. And, uh, I'll be 01:32:31.968 --> 01:32:32.801 somebody else. And, uh, I'll be making an announcement about 01:32:32.803 --> 01:32:34.936 making an announcement about who that person is at the next 01:32:34.938 --> 01:32:37.872 who that person is at the next meeting, so, um, let's see, we 01:32:37.874 --> 01:32:39.340 meeting, so, um, let's see, we talked about appointments, um, 01:32:39.342 --> 01:32:40.642 talked about appointments, um, for those of you with good 01:32:40.644 --> 01:32:42.110 for those of you with good memories who have been here in 01:32:42.112 --> 01:32:42.811 memories who have been here in previous Januaries, you may 01:32:42.813 --> 01:32:44.946 previous Januaries, you may remember that. Often we use 01:32:44.948 --> 01:32:46.381 remember that. Often we use this meeting as the 01:32:46.383 --> 01:32:47.349 this meeting as the organizational meeting for the 01:32:47.351 --> 01:32:51.719 organizational meeting for the year, and we, um, review and 01:32:51.721 --> 01:32:53.622 year, and we, um, review and adopt bylaws and adopt a work 01:32:53.624 --> 01:32:56.558 adopt bylaws and adopt a work plan for the coming year. Um, 01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:58.092 plan for the coming year. Um, this year we're going to delay 01:32:58.094 --> 01:33:01.095 this year we're going to delay that a bit. Um, I feel like we 01:33:01.097 --> 01:33:02.497 that a bit. Um, I feel like we should actually discuss the 01:33:02.499 --> 01:33:04.099 should actually discuss the work plan together, uh, and 01:33:04.101 --> 01:33:05.733 work plan together, uh, and have it be something that the 01:33:05.735 --> 01:33:06.434 have it be something that the commission has some input on, 01:33:06.436 --> 01:33:07.569 commission has some input on, so I didn't want to just throw 01:33:07.571 --> 01:33:09.704 so I didn't want to just throw it on the first agenda and, and 01:33:09.706 --> 01:33:11.572 it on the first agenda and, and rubber stamp it and move on. So, 01:33:11.574 --> 01:33:12.707 rubber stamp it and move on. So, um, I don't know what the exact 01:33:12.709 --> 01:33:14.509 um, I don't know what the exact timing that will be. it, it may 01:33:14.511 --> 01:33:15.843 timing that will be. it, it may not be till April, it may be 01:33:15.845 --> 01:33:17.846 not be till April, it may be before that. Uh, you also 01:33:17.848 --> 01:33:19.514 before that. Uh, you also recall that we do an annual 01:33:19.516 --> 01:33:20.448 recall that we do an annual report in the first few months 01:33:20.450 --> 01:33:22.417 report in the first few months of the year, so I'm thinking 01:33:22.419 --> 01:33:24.419 of the year, so I'm thinking we'll, we'll kind of dovetail 01:33:24.421 --> 01:33:25.853 we'll, we'll kind of dovetail those together, so we look at 01:33:25.855 --> 01:33:27.255 those together, so we look at last year, uh, what happened 01:33:27.257 --> 01:33:29.390 last year, uh, what happened and then talk about what's in 01:33:29.392 --> 01:33:30.658 and then talk about what's in what's happening in the coming 01:33:30.660 --> 01:33:32.927 what's happening in the coming year, um. Talk about what the 01:33:32.929 --> 01:33:33.728 year, um. Talk about what the city council has been talking 01:33:33.730 --> 01:33:35.463 city council has been talking about, about their priorities 01:33:35.465 --> 01:33:36.398 about, about their priorities and then come to what the work 01:33:36.400 --> 01:33:38.400 and then come to what the work plan is for the year. Um, so, 01:33:38.402 --> 01:33:39.067 plan is for the year. Um, so, and then, you know, just take 01:33:39.069 --> 01:33:40.568 and then, you know, just take care of the bylaws and all that, 01:33:40.570 --> 01:33:41.336 care of the bylaws and all that, all that stuff that we have to 01:33:41.338 --> 01:33:43.404 all that stuff that we have to do as well. So we didn't forget 01:33:43.406 --> 01:33:45.407 do as well. So we didn't forget about it, um, it's an 01:33:45.409 --> 01:33:46.140 about it, um, it's an intentional, intentional change. 01:33:46.142 --> 01:33:49.945 intentional, intentional change. Um, and then finally, uh, very 01:33:49.947 --> 01:33:52.614 Um, and then finally, uh, very exciting, um, um, 2 weeks from 01:33:52.616 --> 01:33:56.050 exciting, um, um, 2 weeks from tonight, uh, we have the first 01:33:56.052 --> 01:33:59.020 tonight, uh, we have the first open house for the Northwest 01:33:59.022 --> 01:33:59.987 open house for the Northwest growth area planning process, 01:33:59.989 --> 01:34:00.888 growth area planning process, um, this is something that, as 01:34:00.890 --> 01:34:01.957 um, this is something that, as you know, we've been talking 01:34:01.959 --> 01:34:04.759 you know, we've been talking about for a long time. It's 01:34:04.761 --> 01:34:06.894 about for a long time. It's finally underway, um, and there 01:34:06.896 --> 01:34:07.896 finally underway, um, and there are flyers over on the table 01:34:07.898 --> 01:34:09.230 are flyers over on the table over there. There's going to be 01:34:09.232 --> 01:34:10.565 over there. There's going to be an open house 2 weeks from 01:34:10.567 --> 01:34:13.034 an open house 2 weeks from tonight, the 22nd from 5 to 7 01:34:13.036 --> 01:34:14.569 tonight, the 22nd from 5 to 7 at the small business center at. 01:34:14.571 --> 01:34:17.972 at the small business center at. Um, Brooklyn Boulevard and West 01:34:17.974 --> 01:34:19.974 Um, Brooklyn Boulevard and West Broadway. Um, please attend, 01:34:19.976 --> 01:34:22.844 Broadway. Um, please attend, please help spread the word, um, 01:34:22.846 --> 01:34:25.179 please help spread the word, um, if you can't be there, 01:34:25.181 --> 01:34:25.780 if you can't be there, everything that's available 01:34:25.782 --> 01:34:26.714 everything that's available online or everything that's 01:34:26.716 --> 01:34:28.649 online or everything that's available at the open house 01:34:28.651 --> 01:34:29.316 available at the open house will be available online, but 01:34:29.318 --> 01:34:30.652 will be available online, but do try to come in person. It's 01:34:30.654 --> 01:34:31.986 do try to come in person. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be 01:34:31.988 --> 01:34:33.254 gonna be fun. It's gonna be catered with from local 01:34:33.256 --> 01:34:34.389 catered with from local restaurants, um, it's gonna be 01:34:34.391 --> 01:34:35.390 restaurants, um, it's gonna be it's gonna be great council 01:34:35.392 --> 01:34:36.457 it's gonna be great council member. Oh sorry, this isn't my 01:34:36.459 --> 01:34:39.794 member. Oh sorry, this isn't my meeting, this is your meeting. 01:34:39.796 --> 01:34:45.633 meeting, this is your meeting. Sure. Yes. Thank you. Um, so, 01:34:45.635 --> 01:34:47.135 Sure. Yes. Thank you. Um, so, quick question on that. So then 01:34:47.137 --> 01:34:48.503 quick question on that. So then will this meeting still take 01:34:48.505 --> 01:34:49.738 will this meeting still take place then 2 weeks from tonight? 01:34:49.740 --> 01:34:51.072 place then 2 weeks from tonight? Right, so that would be our 01:34:51.074 --> 01:34:52.607 Right, so that would be our work session night. We, we, 01:34:52.609 --> 01:34:54.342 work session night. We, we, this, that will take the place 01:34:54.344 --> 01:34:55.609 this, that will take the place of the work session. We clearly 01:34:55.611 --> 01:34:56.678 of the work session. We clearly have things to talk about at 01:34:56.680 --> 01:34:57.879 have things to talk about at work sessions, so we will, uh, 01:34:57.881 --> 01:35:00.114 work sessions, so we will, uh, you know, we'll, you know, this, 01:35:00.116 --> 01:35:01.082 you know, we'll, you know, this, this whole discussion of 01:35:01.084 --> 01:35:01.816 this whole discussion of subdivisions, I think we, we 01:35:01.818 --> 01:35:04.019 subdivisions, I think we, we should talk about it, not about, 01:35:04.021 --> 01:35:04.953 should talk about it, not about, not about any particular 01:35:04.955 --> 01:35:08.556 not about any particular subdivision, but the topic, uh, 01:35:08.558 --> 01:35:10.024 subdivision, but the topic, uh, we have some, uh, we will bring 01:35:10.026 --> 01:35:11.359 we have some, uh, we will bring that forward to, to try to kind 01:35:11.361 --> 01:35:12.794 that forward to, to try to kind of work through that and the 01:35:12.796 --> 01:35:13.495 of work through that and the role of the commission. Uh, we 01:35:13.497 --> 01:35:15.096 role of the commission. Uh, we have we've been doing some 01:35:15.098 --> 01:35:16.631 have we've been doing some thinking as staff about what we 01:35:16.633 --> 01:35:18.499 thinking as staff about what we might recommend to you for, for, 01:35:18.501 --> 01:35:20.401 might recommend to you for, for, for changes about that role to 01:35:20.403 --> 01:35:21.436 for changes about that role to try to avoid these situations, 01:35:21.438 --> 01:35:22.937 try to avoid these situations, but let's not get into that now. 01:35:22.939 --> 01:35:23.972 but let's not get into that now. Um, we will have that 01:35:23.974 --> 01:35:25.774 Um, we will have that discussion at a at a coming 01:35:25.776 --> 01:35:28.676 discussion at a at a coming work session. So do plan on 01:35:28.678 --> 01:35:30.378 work session. So do plan on there being work sessions, um, 01:35:30.380 --> 01:35:32.380 there being work sessions, um, for a while, starting in 01:35:32.382 --> 01:35:34.682 for a while, starting in February, um. For things like 01:35:34.684 --> 01:35:36.384 February, um. For things like that, but also, you know, 01:35:36.386 --> 01:35:37.718 that, but also, you know, you'll recall on the 6, 10 01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:39.253 you'll recall on the 6, 10 corridor development study, we 01:35:39.255 --> 01:35:40.655 corridor development study, we had work sessions both with the 01:35:40.657 --> 01:35:41.555 had work sessions both with the planning commission but also 01:35:41.557 --> 01:35:43.124 planning commission but also jointly with the city council 01:35:43.126 --> 01:35:44.459 jointly with the city council on that work. I would, I 01:35:44.461 --> 01:35:45.893 on that work. I would, I envision us doing something 01:35:45.895 --> 01:35:47.395 envision us doing something similar for the Northwest 01:35:47.397 --> 01:35:48.930 similar for the Northwest Growth area plan uh to make 01:35:48.932 --> 01:35:50.131 Growth area plan uh to make sure that we're getting your 01:35:50.133 --> 01:35:52.333 sure that we're getting your direction and, and feedback on 01:35:52.335 --> 01:35:54.101 direction and, and feedback on that. So, work sessions are 01:35:54.103 --> 01:35:57.205 that. So, work sessions are back, uh, starting next month. 01:35:57.207 --> 01:36:04.345 back, uh, starting next month. No, that's. Just your Correct. 01:36:04.347 --> 01:36:06.280 No, that's. Just your Correct. All right, well you have 01:36:06.282 --> 01:36:13.555 All right, well you have something right, go ahead. 01:36:13.557 --> 01:36:15.156 something right, go ahead. Commissioner Borrows asked him 01:36:15.158 --> 01:36:15.823 Commissioner Borrows asked him about calendar invitations for 01:36:15.825 --> 01:36:16.491 about calendar invitations for all the meetings. We'll make 01:36:16.493 --> 01:36:18.093 all the meetings. We'll make sure we get those out. I know 01:36:18.095 --> 01:36:18.826 sure we get those out. I know that's helpful for, for some 01:36:18.828 --> 01:36:23.030 that's helpful for, for some folks, yeah. Yeah, question, um, 01:36:23.032 --> 01:36:27.368 folks, yeah. Yeah, question, um, in addition to, um, The 01:36:27.370 --> 01:36:28.870 in addition to, um, The Subdivision of lots. I'm 01:36:28.872 --> 01:36:31.506 Subdivision of lots. I'm wondering if we can also talk 01:36:31.508 --> 01:36:36.911 wondering if we can also talk about, uh, just Zoning around 01:36:36.913 --> 01:36:37.978 about, uh, just Zoning around required green space cause, you 01:36:37.980 --> 01:36:41.249 required green space cause, you know, uh, like me moved to 01:36:41.251 --> 01:36:42.249 know, uh, like me moved to Brooklyn Park because it was 01:36:42.251 --> 01:36:47.655 Brooklyn Park because it was very wooded area, very nature 01:36:47.657 --> 01:36:49.590 very wooded area, very nature friendly and with a lot of 01:36:49.592 --> 01:36:50.525 friendly and with a lot of developments, it just seems 01:36:50.527 --> 01:36:53.594 developments, it just seems like we're losing a lot of our 01:36:53.596 --> 01:36:55.896 like we're losing a lot of our green space and um. You know, 01:36:55.898 --> 01:36:58.933 green space and um. You know, how can we um talk about zoning 01:36:58.935 --> 01:37:05.273 how can we um talk about zoning around those types of things. 01:37:05.275 --> 01:37:09.944 around those types of things. All right, uh. Let me just say, 01:37:09.946 --> 01:37:13.948 All right, uh. Let me just say, uh, Paul, welcome back. We 01:37:13.950 --> 01:37:16.284 uh, Paul, welcome back. We missed you. Uh, glad to have 01:37:16.286 --> 01:37:18.886 missed you. Uh, glad to have you back and uh looking forward 01:37:18.888 --> 01:37:21.355 you back and uh looking forward to 2025 here, so. With that 01:37:21.357 --> 01:37:23.691 to 2025 here, so. With that said, uh, it's 8:37. We are