North St. Paul City Council — Transcript

Saturday, March 15, 2025

Community Center Next Steps and Future Viability

Notable Quotes (16)

you would have to go into all the det I don't have a specific answer you'd have to go and look at the detail that W provided which is is a part of this attach to see if they have the boiler included or not

Finance Director Dan Winnick [0:09:59]
Community Center Next Steps Discussion

the funding that's been made available to us covers Us from zero to the first five years we have six years before we have to start we have six years we're able to plan for the next round of the $1.7 million that we talk to as a potential deficit

Council Member Cole [0:16:32]
Community Center Next Steps Discussion

we could wait we could wait till year six and then increase something to the tune of 15% or we ratchet it up 2% so it does it so you're right but I think the planning process needs to start sooner than later

Finance Director Dan Winnick [0:17:39]
Community Center Next Steps Discussion

to me one of the parameters that it kind of says is that we have to find partners and that's what we've been trying to do and that's what we did with the RFI

Finance Director Dan Winnick [0:23:25]
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the last line on here am I correct in that unless we sell the building that should be something we're planning for regardless of the outcome

Council Member Wong [0:25:39]
Community Center Next Steps Discussion

a rule of thumb in the industry is that you should be putting one and a half to two and a half% of your replacement value away on an annual basis

Finance Director Dan Winnick [0:26:01]
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but averaging 30 people for every single hour they're open seems to me high and unattainable for anything I've seen there

Council Member Nordby [0:40:51]
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the problem is we didn't get that results when we went went out and advertised and and did that but I absolutely agree that yeah we need more information because a partnership is the only way this this this is actually going to work and have a a minimum impact on our residents

Finance Director Dan Winnick [0:45:26]
Community Center Next Steps Discussion

if the grant recipient does not repay any portion of the amount specified under that section 2.06 B within 30 days of Demand by either the state entity or the to by this either State entity or the budget then such amount May unless precluded by law be taken off or offset against any AIDS or any monies that the grant recipient is entitled to receive from the state of Minnesota

Finance Director Dan Winnick [0:50:52]
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I clarify I was not comfortable with the 25 years you said we were comfortable oh sure so I st I wasn't okay just want to be on the record on that

Council Member Cole [0:52:13]
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the way in which I read this is actually to demo is more costly to us as a city if the Gap is 1.7 then a demo option A would be 3.1 million

Council Member Wong [0:56:45]
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there's two demo options the the first one was to demo everything except for the library which just just just because of how you would have to do that surgically right the cost goes way up so you would never do an option A

Finance Director Dan Winnick [0:57:07]
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is option b if we could look at very similar to how the financials were put together with what could potentially be the highest liability can we look at what that would look like

Council Member Cole [1:01:21]
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what is the city council's goal Envision of the programming component that they want Within within this city council or within this community center and that has not become clear to staff

Finance Director Dan Winnick [1:06:54]
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a potential friendly Amendment to the second to the last bullet point acceptance of this grant will increase acceptance of the grant may increase we don't know just to your point what it's going to be and the other bullet point that I would like to add is not accepting the grant causes of financial liability to the city as well anywhere from 1.3 to 4 whatever the dollar amount was million dollars we don't have an answer for those funds either

Council Member Cole [1:07:33]
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I'd encourage you to somehow come up with some ideas on your own of what you're really specifically looking for if anything I did notice Banquet Center in the draft RFP which startled me because I thought where did that come from

Elaine Barton (Public Comment) [1:15:35]
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Ordinances & Resolutions (19)

Grant TermsOther

Terms of the state grant related to the community center, requiring clarification on default conditions.

RFIOther

Request for Information distributed to identify potential partners for the Community Center, yielding limited responses.

RFP (draft)Other

A draft Request for Proposal attached to the meeting document, for developing an RFP.

W Facility AnalysisReport

A report from W outlining deferred maintenance costs for the Community Center, totaling $7.3 million across various priority categories.

Operating BudgetPlan

An estimated annual budget for running the Community Center, calculated at approximately $886,000.

State Grant TermsOther

The specific terms of the $4.5 million state grant, with particular concern over the default remedies outlined in Section 2.06 B.

W Options (A, B, C)Plan

Three alternative scenarios presented by W in 2022 for the Community Center: partial demolition, full demolition and library relocation, or full demolition and new library construction.

Feasibility StudyOther

A study to assess the viability of various options for the Community Center, with an estimated cost of $45,000-$60,000.

PacketOther

General term for the meeting materials provided to the council.

NewsletterOther

Medium through which the operating budget was initially circulated, prior to council discussion.

Grant Boiler Plate (Section 2.06 B)Other

Specific section within the grant document detailing the state's remedies in case of a grant recipient's default.

CIPPlan

Capital Improvement Plan, discussed in the context of proactive funding for infrastructure and facility maintenance.

10-year Financial PlansPlan

Financial planning documents for the electric, water, and general funds, referenced as a model for facility planning.

Bulma categoriesOther

Building Owners and Managers Association categories used for standardizing operating budget itemization and benchmarking.

Community Multicultural Outreach CenterOther

The official approved purpose for the state grant, which may not align with current library programming.

Local Government AidOther

State aid that could be withheld from the city in the event of a state grant default.

Police and Fire AidOther

State aid for police and fire services that could be withheld in the event of a state grant default.

Street Maintenance AidOther

State aid for street maintenance that could be withheld in the event of a state grant default.

Multi-Purpose Community Center Feasibility RFPOther

The specific title of the draft Request for Proposal for a feasibility study being considered by the council.

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