North St. Paul City Council — Transcript

Sunday, June 15, 2025

Planning Commission Work Plan Review

Preliminary Discussion: Townhouse Development on County Road B

Community Center Feasibility Study Presentation Announcement

Definitions of Duplex/Twin Home Research

Votes (4)

Zoning and Comprehensive Plan Designation Amendment for 7th Avenue Properties

Consensus to proceed with staff proposal to schedule a public hearing; no formal vote taken.

Dissent: Commissioner Muick expressed hesitation regarding lowering the zoning, though ultimately did not strongly oppose proceeding.

Staff proposed amending the Comprehensive Plan and zoning map for properties on the north and south sides of 7th Avenue. The goal is to correct inconsistencies where single-family homes are currently legal non-conforming uses under the existing Corridor Mixed Use (MU3) zoning. The proposal suggests changing the land use designation to Medium Density Residential and zoning to R2, allowing single-family homes and townhouses. The commission generally supported this initiative to align zoning with current reality and provide property owners more flexibility.

Home Occupation Ordinance Amendment

No formal action; staff to incorporate feedback and prepare a revised ordinance for a future meeting.

Staff presented a draft amendment to the Home Occupation Ordinance, introducing three levels based on neighborhood impact. Discussion revolved around clarifying definitions for each level, particularly regarding client visits, parking, and specific business types. Commissioners debated the inclusion of 'art studios', the necessity of regulating foster care, limits on unrelated pupils for tutoring, the need for driveway parking, and the scope of 'building trades' versus specific contractors. The need for clear language regarding noise, noxious problems, and exterior storage was also emphasized. The item was presented for initial feedback, with staff to revise and bring back a formal ordinance.

Subdivision Ordinance Update

No formal action; staff to continue working on the ordinance and bring it back for review.

Staff outlined plans to update the city's Subdivision Ordinance, which is largely unchanged since 1999. Key revisions will address state Supreme Court case law on park dedication fees, enhance development contract requirements for city protection, and introduce more secure forms of financial guarantees (e.g., letters of credit or cash deposits) instead of performance bonds. A significant proposal is to allow city staff to approve simple lot splits and lot line adjustments, streamlining a process that currently requires full platting and commission/council approval. Commissioners received the update positively, recognizing the need for these modernizations.

Downtown Design Manual Review

No formal action; consensus to deem it a lower priority for staff time but to explore external consulting and grant options for future updates.

The 20-year-old Downtown Design Manual was reviewed, with staff highlighting its outdated references and district boundaries. The commission discussed whether the western end of the district, now home to more modern buildings, should be excluded. Ideas like allowing building setbacks for patios and reconsideration of height restrictions (currently 2-3 stories, but 4-story buildings exist) were floated. The high effort and cost of a full update were acknowledged, with suggestions to prioritize other items on the work plan and explore consulting services or grants (e.g., from Met Council or architectural schools) for future revisions.

Notable Quotes (10)

So these changes are are just to kind of align with what reality is. Yes, that's how I would phrase it.

Mr. Roberts [6:32]
Zoning and Comprehensive Plan Designation Amendment for 7th Avenue Properties

I mean it's kind of the classic zoning dilemma. Do you change the zoning before somebody asks you to change the zoning as as the government? Do we do that? And what is the advantage of doing that? And I don't see any disadvantage. Yeah. I see the advantage being that you're giving the current property owners more flexibility.

Commissioner Wise/Patrick [6:32]
Zoning and Comprehensive Plan Designation Amendment for 7th Avenue Properties

I just I hesitate to lower the um the zoning to um you know, the 7th Avenue is a main corridor. Um the homes that are in those parcels we're talking about are, you know, they're older homes. It's not like any of them were recently built. So those types of things are would be attractive to somebody that would be looking to build a little bit more dense project. Um and you know if we make the change to R2 it's just adding a hurdle for them.

Commissioner Muick [6:32]
Zoning and Comprehensive Plan Designation Amendment for 7th Avenue Properties

I'd like to suggest that we put a little bit of a different spin on that and say that either consists of no more than two unrelated pupils or perhaps three or more, something like that. just because, you know, you may have a family of three or four or five that are bringing all their kids in for tutoring or voice lessons or whatever at one time.

Commissioner Rathy/Cameron [6:32]
Home Occupation Ordinance Amendment

Hypothetically, let's say I own a plumbing business, a sole proprietor, and I have a box truck for my business that I park in my driveway. Am I operating that business out of my house?

Commissioner Alvarez/Jason [6:32]
Home Occupation Ordinance Amendment

And if if somebody wanted to do that and not get properly licensed, they're going to do it anyway. It's true. It's true. Enforcement problem. That's different. Highly illegal and highly illegal anywhere. It's a police matter.

Commissioner Gadboy/Elizabeth [6:32]
Home Occupation Ordinance Amendment

So let's say I'll give you an example. Let's say you have a 155 foot 150 foot wide lot with one house that's over on one side and you want to split off 75 ft to create a second lot. Right now the code says you have to platt it. You have to go through a preliminary plat and a final plat get all the drawings done and all that stuff with a a lot division or lot split. You would still have to get it surveyed and you have to show lot A and lot B, but then you it could be a staff approval.

Mr. Roberts [6:32]
Subdivision Ordinance Update

I was just wondering how what the cost is to get this irrevocable letter. Yeah, there is some cost compared to a bond. Yeah. And I don't know the difference, but and if it would out smaller companies that can't afford Yeah. If they can't get a letter of credit, then I would question how they can even do the project.

Commissioner Alvarez/Jason [6:32]
Subdivision Ordinance Update

I'm kind of wondering if we could maybe make the east end and the west end a little bit more of a formbbased code uh so that they we have a little bit more of a of a north St. Paul look to everything. You know, that's that was one of the reasons I was thinking about kind of the stepping of the heights and that type of thing because really, if you think about it, the only really historic parts of the town that are left are those two blocks on either side of Margaret Street.

Commissioner Rathy/Cameron [6:32]
Downtown Design Manual Review

I'm not disagreeing that it needs work. I guess the question for the commission is and maybe we come back to it when we talk about the work plan is what's the priority here because there's parts of the zoning code I know need updating. Uh we'll be getting into the comprehensive plan update here in the next year. And if we really strongly think the downtown design manual should be updated and it again I'm not saying it isn't. Do we try to convince city council put money in the budget for next year and farm it out?

Mr. Roberts [6:32]
Downtown Design Manual Review

Ordinances & Resolutions (15)

Comprehensive PlanPlan

Guiding document for land use, proposed for amendment regarding 7th Avenue properties

Zoning MapOther

Map delineating zoning districts, proposed for amendment regarding 7th Avenue properties

Zoning OrdinanceOrdinance

Governing document for land use, referenced for a 2015 rewrite and current MU3 and proposed R2 zoning districts

Area 10Other

Historical reference to an area along 7th Avenue previously identified for inconsistent land use and zoning

Area 11Other

Historical reference to an area along 7th Avenue previously identified for inconsistent land use and zoning

MU3 ZoningOrdinance

Current mixed-use zoning designation along 7th Avenue, creating legal non-conforming single-family uses

R2 ZoningOrdinance

Proposed residential zoning designation for 7th Avenue properties, allowing single-family and townhouses

Home Occupation OrdinanceOrdinance

Existing city ordinance under review for amendment, particularly regarding business levels and permitted uses

Draft Amendment of Home Occupation OrdinanceOrdinance

Proposed revision of the existing Home Occupation Ordinance to clarify definitions and regulations

Subdivision OrdinanceOrdinance

City ordinance governing land subdivision, under review for comprehensive updates (last major changes in 1999)

Downtown Design ManualOther

City guideline document for architectural design in the downtown area, identified as 20 years old and in need of updating

Staff memo (Oct 22, 2015)Other

Internal document outlining comments on the Downtown Design Manual

Memo from 2016Other

Document discussing the process and involvement needed for updating the Downtown Design Manual

Planning Commission Work PlanPlan

Document outlining priorities and tasks for the Planning Commission

Livable Communities GrantOther

Met Council grant funding mechanism discussed for the proposed County Road B townhouse development

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