I like that idea I like to cut as much I mean when we first started it was six months of budget conversation right that's a lot um and if we can cut that to four months or I mean whatever ever that looks like I would like to see us cut that more and have less special meetings and I'm sure you guys feel the same way I mean you're here all day and then to be here for special meetings I'd like to see less of that too and how can we do that...

I'm going to be an outlier and say I think we should have it stay the same way with no savings to the city the biggest public engagement that we get are all on taxes so are we doing a disservice to our residents to not spend this much time and this much focus on them in my mind we seem to be it it's just at later dates because we're all the information back it's not trickling it's more and then we go from there is that wrong no I don't think...

word of caution because we're going to have less meetings it means that you need to look at that material ahead of time so we're prepared when we come into that meeting so everybody staff councel have to be prepared to go through it and and get it and and ask those tough questions and make those tough decisions...