My computer is inappropriate.All right. I'm going to call to order planning commission meetingon February the 5th, 2026.Staff, can you do roll call, please? >> Yes, Mr. Chair.>> Commissioner Muick, >> present.>> Commissioner Gboy, >> present.>> Commissioner Alvarez, >> present.>> Commissioner Weiss, >> present. Please>> present. Sorry I didn't have my mic on to start. I do now. >> All right, we are present. Um, let'stake a look at meeting minutes of the 8th of January.>> Adopt the agenda. >> Oh, we have an agenda to adopt. Oh,well, okay. Let's adopt an agenda. Um, I assume people have looked at it. I woulduh entertain a motion to adopt the agenda.>> Also move. >> Moved by Commissioner Muick. Second.>> I'll second. >> Second. Commissioner Wise.All in favor say I. >> I.>> I. >> All right. Now, meeting minutesfrom January 8th. See, I want to get this meeting going. I just want to gofast. Um,the only thing I heard was that the minutes had a had my presence.>> Yeah, there's an error in section 4. It says you asked for a motion to approvethe December minutes.>> I did. >> You did not.>> Wow. Called in. And >> was that by telepathy per chance? >> So that's been corrected or will becorrected. Who who made the motion? >> Well,>> I think it was me. >> Yeah. >> You must had my hat on or something.>> Mhm. >> Okay.Anything else about those meeting minutes?>> Nope. >> Motion to approve the meeting minuteswith that correction. Then >> I'll move.>> Motion from Commissioner Weise. Second. >> I'll second.>> Boy, that was a competition. >> He beat me. Commissioner Muick seconded.Uh all in favor say I. >> I.>> I. None opposed. All right. Meeting is open to the public if anyonewould like to stand up and speak. Um not related to the agenda for the night.No. Okay. In that case, we're going to moveon to public hearings. See, we are going quick.All right. Staff, could you please discuss the variance request uh presentthe variance request related to 271816th Avenue East? >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. It'snice to see you all again today. This first public hearing is regarding avariance request for from the fence regulations at 271816thAvenue East. Um, so the variance requested is pretty simple at its core.However, there's a bit of information to get through. So, at any time, feel freeto interrupt and ask questions. And Ken, as well, if there's anything you'd liketo add as we go, feel free. All right. For some background, theapplicant of the variance request is Timothy Taylor. He is the owner of theproperty at 271816th Avenue East and the request is for avariance to allow a six-foot tall fence in the front yard. Um we'll show a moredetailed image of where that fence would be located, but um at this time noticethat it is the lot directly west to the Dairy Queen at 27301 16th Avenue East. So, as mentioned, the variance requestis for the installation of a six foot tall fence along the easternmost lotline of the property within the front yard. Uh the proposed fence material iswhite vinyl fence. And here we have photos of the existing conditions on thelot. Um if you'll see right here, this asphalt is the Dairy Queen parking lot.Um, and then down in the bottom right corner, you can see this driveway thatbelongs to 2718 16th Avenue East. So, somewhere under the snow is that eastproperty line. Um, couldn't really see it due to the snow on the ground. All right. Here we have an image of theproposed conditions. Um, the applicant proposes the fence to be placed one footin from the east property line, 60 feet long from the front lot line. And thatis shown, it's a little hard to see, but it's in black right here.And the area in red is the first 25 ft of the fence. And that would be whatwould require a variance for the six-foot height. Um, I will also note adetailed certificate of survey is included in the packet. So you can seethe current house that is there. The most recent aerial photo we have is fromthe previous home. So code requirements,this property is in the R1 single family residential district. Um, forresidential fence regulations that's found in chapter 154.0. 01 0 A1 U forresidential fences. Fences and walls within the front yard of a residentialproperty shall not exceed a height of 4T. So this variance request is forrelief from that particular part of the code. As part of the application process, theapplicant provided um statement and answers to questions that we are goingto take a look at today. Those are listed here on this slide and areincluded in the staff report as well. Okay. So now we are going to analyze thedifferent variance criteria. This is what the planning commission shouldconsider um when deciding whether to recommend approval of a variance or not.Um it needs to be consistent with a comprehensive plan and zoning ordinance.Um it should not adversely affect health, safety or welfare. There shouldbe special conditions that are particular to the property itself and itshould be the minimum variance necessary to alleviate the practical difficulty.Now, the staff report in the packet has detailed explanations to all of these.Um, I will highlight some that have stuck out to staff the most.This first one would be consistency with adopted city plans. As mentioned, theproperty to the east is the Dairy Queen property that is located in the MU3corridor mixeduse zoning district. It is true in city code that within the MU3zoning district, screening shall be provided and established to protect andscreen abuing residential districts. Elsewhere in the code, it indicatesscreening shall be provided along the side and rear property boundariesbetween commercial, mixed use, or industrial districts and residentialdistricts. Then in the fence ordinance, itindicates that commercial or non-residential fences may be up to 8 ftin height regardless of the location on the non-residential lot with the intentto block the view of non-residential site elements from residential property.Now, we have discussed with code compliance staff as well um regardingthere not being a fence there currently providing screening and it wasdetermined by staff that the restaurant at 2730 16th Avenue is older than theadopted zoning regulations and exists as a legal non-conforming lot as it regardsto the screening requirements. Um, so at this time the city cannotenforce or demand that the Dairy Queen install the screening. However, any newcommercial use on that lot would require compliance or any major exteriorlandscape projects would also require that that lot be brought into complianceof the screening requirements. So in any other circumstance throughoutthe city, screening is required along the entire lot line between commercialand residential uses. That is very clear in the zoning ordinance.So if the Dairy Queen property owner applied for a fence up to eight feet inheight within on that same lot line, the city could approve that because it wouldbe considered a non-resident non-residential fence. However, sincethe neighboring property owner on a residential lot applied for that sametype of permit, the city could not approve it without a variance due tothose front yard regulations. So, staff believe that this variancerequest is in harmony with the adopted city plans. Um due to thatwe also believe that the proposal is not likely to have any effects on health,safety or general welfare of the city. Um the planning commission shouldhowever discuss whether a 4ft tall fence in the front yardwould be sufficient for screening purposes or whether the applicant doesneed it to be six feet to screen those headlights. All right. Another aspect that the planningcommission should look at is whether the variance if granted would alter theessential character of the locality. Now that question is subjective and shouldbe considered by the full body of the planning commission. Um, and as far aseconomic considerations go, they were not listed as a practical difficulty perthe applicant's statement. Public hearing notice. This notice ofthe public hearing was published in the Minnesota Star Tribune on January 26th.Notice was mailed to all property owners within 350 ft of the subject site onJanuary 23rd. Staff did receive one phone call commentthat will be read by the chair during the public hearing portion.Now to staff recommendations. Staff recommend the planning commission make amotion to request staff to prepare a resolution with findings of factconsistent with an approval of the variance request.The city council may impose with planning commission recommendationconditions considered necessary to protect the public health, safety, andgeneral welfare and which are directly related to and bear a roughproportionality to the impact created by the variance. Staff do not propose anyparticular conditions. However, the planning commission can make thatdecision. And that concludes the presentation onthis. Um here on this slide we have next steps for public hearing procedures. Umnow I open it up to any questions from the planning commission. Um you can askstaff questions and you can ask the applicant representative who is heretoday if they want to add or present anything else.>> I go ahead. >> I'm sorry. Go ahead. Uh, I was justcurious, if I understand correctly, the Dairy Queen is a little bit higher uhthan the property is, and I'm just wondering, given the height of likedelivery trucks and things like that, is a 6-ft fence going to give enoughblockage uh for lights and sound and that type of thing on the property? I do know that the applicant indicatedthat there is a difference between three or four feet if that is correct betweenthe residential property and the Dairy Queen. However, I'm not sure due totruck height and all of that how >> what would appropriately scream that.>> There's more variation in height further south on the lot.>> Yeah. And that's the other thing I'm kind of wondering about is whether wemight want to go ahead and if the property owner wishes to do it allow himto do a sixoot fence just right along the whole line uh you know to providemore >> more blockage. That's the intent as Iunderstand it. >> Yeah.>> And to be you want to clarify where the six foots allowed.>> Yeah. The six feet tall fence is already allowed from the rear property line tothe front point of the house. This variance request is just for that frontyard portion. >> Right. But uh okay, the way I wasreading it, now maybe I was misreading it. It sounds like you wanted it up tothe the front of the garage and then a 4ft fence from the garage forward.>> That was >> that's what the code required. I'msorry. My my fault for misreading that. So, if the DQ had been a newer property,but it being it's been there and it has been there for a super long time,they're not we can't require them to put in their screening, but if we were, theywould have put up an 8ft one. We we would have required an 8ft one.>> We would not have required an 8 foot one. I believe the code says um up orsix feet, I believe. And >> six minimum up to eight.>> Yeah. Well, >> and>> it's generic with regard to screening >> to some degree.>> Yeah. >> Yeah.>> They would be able to put up to 8 ft in height, though.>> So, my wife and I love the DQ there. We go there regularly on our bike and andespecially on the weekends and they're open, I think, till 10:00 at night. Andso, >> I would not harsh this person an 8ftfence if they wanted to being that that's what they>> Yeah. >> maybe would have had with the DQ. I knowthat cost would be on them, but I would be open to letting I mean, I know thatarea. It's busy. It's super popular on the weekends and it's it's a greatplace, but that isn't going to affect anything for anybody other than thathomeowner who has all that traffic right up against her house. So, I would evenpropose beyond >> Yeah.>> six and go if they want eight, >> let them have eight. Uh it's it'stotally not going to affect anybody. The DQ people don't care. hurts back quite aways. So I would even go further and say if they would have gotten one if DQ wasnewer and they want to have it, I would even propose to let them go further.>> The res. >> Sure. But aren't we talking>> for a varian? >> Aren't we talking about a variance?>> Yeah. Okay. >> So it would be believe it's seven.>> Can we re we can recommend a variance of higher, can't we?>> Or do they have to come back and request it again? I we need to address thevariance as it's proposed. >> Okay.>> Um I think um the other the other factor that I thought of was the fact that thedrive-thru was mentioned and the drive-thru has that steep slope.>> Yeah. >> Going up to it and which is only goingto exacerbate the headlights problem. >> So I think that that's that'ssupportive. Um, >> yeah.>> But I think we need to address the variance as it's requested and I thinkit should be sufficient for for the conditions.>> Yeah. And and I I know two Dairy Queen owners that own all the Dairy Queensaround that area. And they know that this Dairy Queen is,you know, they don't want to put a dime into that place because they know theymight get ousted at any time when that intersection gets changed. Mhm.>> Um, >> and it probably will>> and I don't know how it couldn't, right, with be needed there. So,>> it will at some point. >> Absolutely. So, I know they're not, youknow, shopping at the bit to be necessarily spending money on helpingthat >> that resident there, but anyway. So, nowI understand. I don't I haven't done too many of these yet.>> Yeah. But I was leaning the same way. I just wasn't sure whether we could,>> you know, allow them to go higher than six foot. So,>> great. >> So, I had thing I had. Thanks, Chris.Any other any other questions? >> I have one question. Um,and it sounds like I I'm in agreement with all you. I I see no reason not toapprove this. Um my question is if this is approvedit I would a note be needed or anything needed in this variance that if theowner puts up this fence that this does not relieve the duty of Dairy Queenshould they put enough work into their property that they still would need todo adequate screening. >> Well, I think the code still>> code would still be enforced for for anything that>> regardless of what because it's two separate properties. Mhm.>> So, >> unless the code changes and stuff.>> Yep. >> Okay.>> Yeah. >> So, so they can't use existing screeningas a qualification for their requirement for screening.>> No. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Now, it were it they they may be able touse that if that fence satisfies that screening requirement.you know, I mean, it's like the fence is there and if it satisfies the screeningrequirement, but we're talking hypotheticals.>> And the fence is one foot on the property owner's property. It's not onthe property of the uh Dairy Queen. So, >> and it looks like um theum I was wondering in my own mind thedistance from the curb. Yeah, >> because I think that that's important tonot get too close to the street, but it looks like it's at least 25 ft orroughly 25 ft from the end of the fence to the curb.>> Probably about 15. >> Well, not if not if it's graphicallyaccurate. >> Where's that sketch?>> Because that was my only concern was that it wasn't going to block any sightlines. >> Where's your sketch that has the 25 ftmarked on it? computers.>> I don't know. To me, it looked like it was more than 15. But that's beside thepoint. I guess I was just looking at it, making sure we didn't get out to within2 ft of the curb or something like that because then it starts to become a ablockage for viewing as people are exiting the parking lot and that thingslike that. >> Chris and I were both out there. Yeah.>> Pictures and I don't think that's a big concern. We don't have a vision triangleissue. No. >> Okay.>> Good. Just wanted to make sure that was the one thing that was standing out forme. Um, >> plus people are going to be coming outof that parking lot very slowly because you couldn't take that corner>> out of that drive-thru lane. >> Well, there is that, I suppose. Yes.>> Although the the blizzards get pretty thick. So, um, all right. Any othercomments or should we have a public hearing on this?I'll open the public hearing at 650 uh 651.Um and I don't know if anyone from thepublic wants to speak. We have a couple people here.Um, I will read this came umvia phone call from Dan Gatsman, the owner of his land company LLC that ownsthe Dairy Queen lot. Um, and that property owner stated that he is insupport of this variance application. So, that's important to note. In otherwords, we don't have a neighbor arguing That being the case, that appears to bethe only public comment. So, let's close the public hearing at652. If there are no other concerns, I wouldask for a motion to approve as recommended byrecommend approval to the to the council, I should say, as recommended bythe staff. >> A motion to approve.>> Motion from Commissioner Alvarez. Second.>> I'll second. >> Second from Commissioner Weiss. All infavor say I. I. I. >> None opposed. Okay. Next agenda item is if I can get back tomy agenda. >> We're gonna say good night to Chris.>> Thank you, Chris. >> Oh, thanks, Chris.>> Appreciate it. I appreciate that. You have moreimportant things to do. >> Yeah, let's do this again sometime.I think he has a dog. He has to go home to walk. The next item is the zoning text.>> Um public hearing related to zoning changes. >> I know I'm not describing it correctly.>> It's a series of zoning ordinances. >> Z a series of Yes.>> Right. uhthe reports in the packet and I will go between my PowerPoint and theinformation in the packet. Uh so there are three sets of zoningordinance text amendments for consideration by the commission tonight.The commission reviewed these back on January 8th of this year. We had adiscussion amongst staff and the commission. There's some generalconsensus on generally supportive of them with someminor changes that I'll highlight when we get into it. Uh so now this is theofficial public hearing to uh move forward with the proposedchanges. So whoops, too far. Go this way.Section one, I was proposing to add three definitions into the zoning code.And I know Patrick, you weren't here. We had a discussion about adding the termsbay and fenestration because those terms come up in some ofthe design elements that we'll look at in a little bit. And then uh adding someclarification language to limited production andprocessing and give more clarity of what that meansor what can be done or not done when you have that type of land use.So that's the first what I call section of the proposed amendments. Second one wasa whole uh some changes to table three which is the use districts in the code.I'm going to jump over to that. Um, and in in the report that you havein the packet and as well as I'm putting up on the screen now, the areas thatI've highlighted in yellow, that wasn't the right thing. Darn it. Um,are where I made changes based on the discussion we had at thelast meeting. And let me find I didn't get the thing ready that Iwanted. I've got it on paper if you want to.>> Oh, I've got it here. I just forgot to open it up. So, it was quick and readyto go. >> Here it comes. All right.So, this again has the first part where we I showed on the previous slide. Thenthe whole second section, this table is about seven or eight pages>> of all the uses. So, the first thing we talked about, we had discussion aboutmanufactured housing and manufactured home parks. Uh, I was proposing that wenot even consider manufactured home parks in our R1 zoning district. So,that's crossed out here. Uh and then we wanted to clarify thatuh these are specifically we're talkingabout manufactured home parks and not uh man modular building or modular homesthat remains as an option in that line. Then I'm just going to quickly scrollscroll through where there are changes that we talked about. Uh,>> next H6 motor vehicles. >> Yep. And we and just for clarification,I'm proposing that we drop hospitals from the code because I don't everforesee a hospital being built in North St. Paul.That didn't seem necessary. We had some discussion on the variousretail uses. Page six. Yeah, we had a discussion here in the yellow. Uh, I hadsome language about EV charging stations and we wanted to make clear. My firstintent was changing automobile service station tomotor vehicles. So it's a more broad >> but with a discussion with thecommission we wanted to make sure that we included it was for fuel sale fuelsales or EV charging stations with or without retail convenience store just tomake it more broad what's currently happening in the world. So that getsadded and that's why it's in bold and underlined. Uh we had some changes toagain what's limited production and I'm just going to quickly screen I so that'sall the changes that we talked about in section two. If there's anydisagreements or misunderstanding please stop me at any time. Um then because I'mchanging we're changing the uh the term in the table. We're removing automotiveservice station convenience store. We have to add inthis term as a to replace that in >> that other part of the code. It's>> so it's referenced both in the table and in section D8. So that's why that change>> uh similar to section four here that's onthe screen. Striking hospital completely as a a what it is. These are the uhwhere they have special additional conditions. Uh and I'm just reservingthat for future use because otherwise we have to re number everything.>> It's much easier just to reserve it. And then section five, we got intothe overlay districts which was primarily the downtown overlay district,the D1. Uh again changing historical commercialdistrict uh commercial commercial to downtown district, making sure it saysdowntown throughout. And then we had uh some again new language here about theinfill buildings and setbacks. And as we move down we get into so B and C here iswhere we have some discussion on the materials. And Patrick, for yourbenefit, most of these bolded additions are current language in the downtowndesign manual. >> I pulled them out of that with a littlebit of tweaking. So, they're codified in the code. So,even if the downtown design manual goes away or gets amended or if we never getto it, whatever, now they're in the zoning code. So we have firmer legs tostand on if and when we get the next downtown redevelopment project.So there was some discussion again and B about uh how we want to make sure we inthe commission that deteriorated architectural detailsshould be repaired or replaced with like kind designs and materials to match theoriginal architectural features. I don't even really recall what we said before,but that seemed to work better. Uh >> or we had said that it had to be uhexact duplicates. >> Okay.>> That seemed a little restrictive. >> Yeah. Uh in C here there was somediscussion about the facades and making sure that they were all of 100%100% brick andor stone veneer including those that are visible from pedestrianwalkways and rear approaches that are visible.Um did I misread the meeting minutes from last time about that? I thought the100% was going to get changed. I thought >> and that>> that this that comes up. I thought that came up here. Wait a minute.>> And or stone. >> Well, and brick and or stone. Yeah, thatwas but it was going to change from 100% to 75.>> We we did talk about that. >> Yes, we did. Yeah.>> And okay, let me>> I'm assuming it doesn't show up somewhere else.>> No, it doesn't. So that's So that we should talk about that. is that>> for C there is that that 100% that that again the 100 100% is what'sin the downtown design manual. We did talk about that. I rec I definitelyrecall that >> uh I can easily change that if that'swhat the commission wants for moving forward.>> It does say the commission agreed to change 100% to 75%>> and that would y I guess >> just confirming that's still the wish ofthe commission. >> Yes.>> Yeah. Okay. Let me mark that down so I don't forget it.>> So that is my error. >> Good catch.>> Well, >> you're adding so much. It's not at allunusual to forget two keystrokes. >> Yeah, just try and find all the typos. Ican't even imagine. >> Yeah,>> I do have Chris read them, but he >> Well, thankfully the system works prettywell to do it for you unless they're capitalized.>> Yeah. So, I'll make that change. Um and the rest of these I don't thinkthere were any other changes. Again I tried to highlight in yellow where wehad discussion. >> So then the rest of it then is we have asummary publication and then the effective date. So that that's reallyall I have on that item. Um so I'll take questions otherwise it's apublic hearing. >> Apologies for interrupting yourpresentation. >> That was perfect. I'd rather do it rightin the middle of it. >> Are there comments, questions, furtherdiscuss? >> Double check one thing here. Uh becauseI may be misreading it. >> Which page are you on?>> Uh page 11H. Uh all facads that are visible ofpedestrian shall be comp comprised of at least 50% brick material. So is thatdoes that need to be changed as well based on our uh 4C change? Hm.>> Good point. >> Well, that is talking about detail trimwork and alwell so it's talking about building renovation or restoration>> versus as opposed to new. >> That's true. Yeah.>> Yeah. >> Okay. I just I I picked up on the 50%and I just wanted to double check. >> Good catch.>> Good question. Anything else?>> Actually, I do. I'm going to go back to that point for just a second becausewe're talking about restoration pro projects. Is there a chance that we'vegot anything in the downtown area that is not currently at least 50% brickmaterial? I'd hate to see us, you know, have a historic building thatwe suddenly had to require them to have 50% brick material if they didn't haveit, but we may not. It may be a a point that isn't worth considering. I'm justthinking about it. >> I can think of at least one.I'm think >> does is the old currently>> there's some that have sighting that may be over brick that we don't know.>> There are there are definitely some buildings that do not have brick orstone on them. No question. >> Changing this require them toretroactively do that just like we can't ask DQ to>> No, you can't make them retroactively do it.>> It wouldn't affect that. >> But if they're doing a renovation>> renovation, then they would have to, >> right?>> Yeah. then the 50% rule would kick in ifthey're doing a renovation of their facade.>> So, I'm just I'm just thinking, do we need to add a line in there sayingsomething to the effect of, you know, unless the historic structure was notcomprised of 50% or more brick or something to that effect.>> What's considered historic? >> Yeah. Well, it's the downtown districtfrom what Helen on theit's it's the I is there are building >> it's basically from the BFW to theLegion >> for example um the old old original cityhall. >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking about>> that is siding >> basically. Um if they were doing arenovation, would we want them to change it to bricker stone?I'm not so sure because there's a historic reference there,>> right? >> Um>> I if I may I what I would recommend is leaving it in if we have to cross thatbridge and somebody has to ask for a waiver of that particular condition.>> Okay. >> Handle it on a case by case>> then we address it at the time. >> Yeah. And they may have a very goodreason. I think there's there could be very good reasons if you if you look atsome of the historic buildings, the buildings that have notable history.Let's put it that way. >> Sorry to get us off on that alley.>> Case by case is a good way to deal with it. I think I think the rules are there.>> There's always exceptions to the rules >> for particular conditions. So>> remember, it depends. >> It depends.Okay. Um, if there's no other comments, I will open a public hearingto address this uh at 7:07 p.m.And >> and I did not receive any comments.>> No comments. So, that being the case, let's give it aminute orsay we gave it a minute and we'll close the public hearing at 708. Um, if there are no other comments orquestions, I would uh entertain a motion to approve as presented uh with the onecorrection made. >> Also move uh moved by CommissionerMuick. Second. >> I will second. Second.>> Just to be clear, this is Commissioner Cowboy.>> Recommending approval to the council. >> Recommending approval to the council.Yes. >> The one change we>> Yes. Uh second by Commissioner Cowboy. All in favor say I.>> I. >> I.We have no Naz. We are down toquick trip. >> Quick trip.All right. And normally this would have been apublic hearing, but I'm initially missed that they weredoing a conditional use permit amendment. So, we're going to have thecity council hold the public hearing, >> okay,>> for that. So, that's it should have been, but that was my fault. So, QuickTrip, great success story. They're doing sowell that they want to add a car wash. Very short overview.uh they were originally approved with a conditional use permit and site planapproval in 2019 and 2020. This proposal will add if approved a second car washbay on the north side of the facility. This is the location of Quick Trip. Ithink most people know where it is on McNight by Highway 36.zoning there. It's in our MU3, our core mixeduse corridor. Again, this is thesite on the corner. Current uh aerial photo uh again withthe gas bays out front, the diesel bays on the east side, the indoor storagefacility to the east, Mcnite Road to the west, the apartments to the south, andHighway 36 and the French Road to the north, and the pond. the addition. We'llgo back in here and I'll get to that site plan in a second. Oh, so to quicklyfind the project plan set I know what I did there. Bear with me aminute. We'll get there. I was >> It's going to narrow that drivewaybehind them a good bit. >> A little bit. Uh let me find the plans.I know. Not sure it will narrow it very much. It's pretty wide right now. Yeah,>> I guess it's just that they park so many employee cars back there, but I'm I'msure they can move them around. >> Here we go.They need to leave enough room for All right. semis>> go through >> get into the plan set here>> our dis dismiss our chatter because we're just kind of being like theJeopardy song. >> I understand>> while you're looking for your stuff. >> Oh, okay. So, this is this shows a isthis an isometric view? >> Pulled that out of there. Yeah. draftingclass way back in the day showing the addition on the rear of the building.Uh, this I'm gonna just quickly try to get to the Whoops. No, no, no, no,no. I'm the wrong darn buttons. I'm so excited. Okay, here we go. This againshows the second car wash bay being added. This is not orientated correctlyfor north south, but it's really no other changes to the site here. This isthe site plan. is shows there would be some demolition landscaping removal hereto fit in the uh second car wash bay lane both. This shows what it will looklike when it's completed. One thing to point out, they currently have one ortwo transformers in this area >> that they are proposing to move here fortheir electrical service. They will have to coordinate that with our cityelectric department, which they're aware of. Uh,my only concern is that pad looks awful close to thatexisting tree. I'm not sure if that will work with the root ball of that tree orthe future root ball of that tree. So, I'm recommending that they move thattree or replace it someplace else. It's part of the landscape plan. I'm I'm justit looks good on paper, but I don't see that tree long living a long healthylife >> like that. So that'suh again this is more detail. So there there ends up being about an 8 foot widelandscape strip here after the addition. So there's a little bit of room. So thedriveway itself around does not change at all. So, the queueing doesn't change.The access in and out don't change. Uh, it's>> they're going to widen the driveway is what you're saying?>> No. >> No, this this existing driveway aroundthe back does not change. The addition goes into the landscape island that'shere. >> The landscape island narrows down from>> 20 feet to 8 feet or something. Got >> to accommodate the second car wash lane.So, and really that's there. That's the only none of the frontof the building, the front of the access. None of that changes with this.Oops. Darn it. Did it again. >> Let's see. It's>> funny. As many times as I've been around that building, I didn't ever catch thatlandscape. >> I don't get a>> on that side. I didn't. >> Yeah. They're pretty low shrubs.>> Yep. And this shows the proposed landscaping again to fill in. I thinkthe landscaping being proposed exceeds what's there by a significant amount.>> It does. I and I talk about in the staff report. So thisthis again shows the building from all the four sides. All the materials willmatch what's there. The brick colors that Quick Trip uses everywhere. Theirgreen roof. >> Uhanother floor plan showing the car wash. There's all sorts of plans. Okay. And Icut the planet down from about 100 pages to 30 to I didn't think you needed allthe electrical details for this. So, a high level summary. Uh really no majorissues. Uh it it's a conditional use permitamendment because there is a major addition change to the site plan. So,the code requires that uh the site plan approval itself, it meets all thesetbacks. The only issue I had noted was about the landscaping and that one tree.I'm concerned about that. The watershed district has reviewed it and they saidit's small enough project they don't even need a permit because they're notdoing that much work. One thing they are doing too is I won't pull it up. Thereis a exterior light pole near the entrance ofthe existing car wash that's coming out and as part of their demolition. I didnot see any replacement lighting going in that I could pick up on the plan. So,I'm recommending that they submit a new updated exterior lighting plan for therear part of the building to show. Are they adding wall packs? Is there areplacement light standard going in? I don't know.I'm sure it'll can meet all the conditions or all our standards, butthat'd be something we'd want to review before issuing a permit. Our cityengineer reviewed it, the proposal. They pointed out too that there will probablybe additional sewer access charges uh with this project because they will beusing more water and they'll have to pay those fees accordingly. again acoordinating with our electric department,but there's really no grading other than taking out that landscape island andshrinking it down. >> So, it's really a pretty minimal impact.>> All that said, uh it's staff's opinion. This meets the requirements for theconditional use permit and site plan approval with some conditions. So, ourrecommendation is we have two resolutions in your packet. uh onerecommending approval of the conditioning use permit amendment. Thesecond one is recommending approval of the site plan for quickrip uh aspresented. And again, those will be recommended resolutions that will go tothe council on February 17th. And I'll take questions. Just to bringthis to the city's attention because this is immediately adjacent to MindotRideway and the storm water retention pond. I did call them today and requirethat they send us the plans. Certainly don't anticipate that there will be anyproblems. Okay. >> Uh but you know we will be looking atthem as well and have a decision in about 3 weeks time.>> Okay. Is there an intermediate um retention in that triangular zoneright there? Is that retention? I thought it was from the originaldevelopment. There's a little triangle area north of that driveway.>> And I think that's retention >> for our site.>> Like it might be. Yeah. >> Uh my concern was the pond behind it>> because see then there's this which is the overfill. Yeah. the emergency.>> But like I say, I don't I certainly don't anticipate that it's going to giveany problems to us. >> What would your concern be for anychange at all for the pond? It's a car the the drain is going into the citysewer. >> Well, just you know the way that the theway the driveway could be possibly scopedsloped, you know, could could increase drainage into it. But it's>> it's not changing at all though. Yeah, >> but the thing is it is immediatelyadjacent to a mindot right away and by state law it has to be reviewed.>> Oh, >> techn technically they're adding somehard surface. >> Yeah,>> a little bit. >> So, technically the runoff is>> well and >> yeah, the roof is considered a>> The roof is considered hard surface >> because it won't absorb.>> Yeah. So, they're taking out some landscaping and putting in hard surface.>> Yeah. Like I say, it's it would >> it's a small thing.>> It would shock me if we had any problems with it. It just agreed,>> you know, had to go through the regime roll.>> If if it if the watershed had concerns, then there would be a different storythere, but it's too small of a project to even be of concern.>> And you know, and we did know that they'd be pushing their waste water intothe sewer system. >> Yeah. So,>> that's not happening. >> Okay.I will uh add that as just as a mindot review and approval>> in the condition that you recommended the the checking of the sitelight. >> Mhm.>> Yes. That's >> to ensure that that's>> in the resolution in 3.0conditions to be satisfied prior to starting any grading or site work.>> What was their hope to start this as timeline? But they haven't said, but I>> they haven't. >> I'm sure I'm sure last fall would havebeen. >> Right. The the drawings say issued forconstruction, so they're ready to go. >> I'm guessing they'll>> dig in spring. >> Yeah. Apply for a bill.>> They'll probably dig in spring. >> Yeah.>> And like I say, we'll have we'll have the letter to them in about 3 weekstime. So, >> and normally takes us 21 days, give ortake a date. >> I'll make sure the applicant knows that.And I assume they submitting for a sack. >> They'll have to. Yeah. As part of>> if they haven't already done so. >> Yeah. As part of the building permit.>> Yep. >> And it's always good to get ahead ofthat. >> Yep. Sometimes that's fast, but notusually. >> Say that again. What is that?>> Uh sewer access charge >> which the Met Council>> the Met Council manages and charges. They do the review and approval. It's aseparate submitt and the city has a fee>> sewage sanitary sewage sewage flow that a project>> correct >> city has a multiplier on that right>> I'm sure we do yes >> pretty sure I don't remember what themultiplier >> and the building permit can't be issueduntil we have a number so >> quickrip for example might right nowmight be charged 10 sacks >> and the car wash might add one more sack>> or two or three >> because of all the water>> right >> and So then they get build extra becausethey're creating more >> Sure.>> sanitary sewage that goes down the pipes that needs to be>> Makes >> sense.>> And the city doesn't want to pay for that. We>> want the property owners, too. >> Yep.>> I definitely have gotten the impression that this quick trip is a lot more doesa lot more business than they thought they were going to when they planned it.>> Popular. It's crazy popular. >> I've been pushing them to find a secondlocation in town. I haven't had that luck yet. But>> uh what's interesting to me is off off the record, but I'll tell you about mytrips to Chicago and back. But um is there any other discussion on this topicor should we um entertain a motion to recommend to councilum approval of do we have to do these separate?>> Two resolutions. >> I think you can combine them both.combine the resolutions unless we have hesitation by any partysitting at this table. We can combine the resolutions.>> I have no hesitation. >> No, I don't either.>> How about a motion to approve or to recommend approval to the council?>> I would motion to recommend approval. >> Motion from Commissioner Alvarez. Asecond. >> I'll make that second.>> Second from Commissioner Gadboy. Uh any further discussion?>> And to be clear, that's for both. >> That's for both.All in favor say I. >> I.>> We have approval for that >> and that we're also scheduling for the17th. >> Excellent. Thank you.>> Full night with the council. >> Yeah,>> that's good. >> They always have a lot to do.>> Yes, they do. >> They are busy. >> All right, we're down to reports,>> believe it or not. Um, one thing to report if you didn't pickup on it, Stephanie has resigned. >> Okay.>> That's why she's not here. Yeah. Said she got too busy. And>> so we've interviewed interviewed one person for the first vacancy in theplane commission. We will be second setting up a second interview for asecond. We had two applicants. We haven't done the second interview. Wewill do that. With any luck at all, we'll have one or two new members on forthe March meeting. Um,>> excellent. >> I don't assuming they study up. >> Yeah. Not to point them out, but Petesitting in the audience was the first interview.>> Yeah. I had to I had to say that for his benefit.>> Uh, you mean we've been exposing ourselvesto him through >> Oh, yeah. Hopefully,>> you haven't scared him off. >> He's gonna he's gonna say no.>> We'll never see him again. I don't I can't we haven't reallybrought in any new applications I can think of. We'll continue to work on codeupdates as time allows. >> Are you looking for more applicants?>> Plane commission. >> Yeah.>> Well, we're always looking, but >> Okay.>> Yeah. Because no decisions are made ultimatelythe mayor and the council make the appointments. Sure.>> I don't maybe council member Norby has anything additional you'd want toreport. >> Um the the only thing I I'll report isagain I I I thank you for your um uh hard work and commission or and all thework you do. Um when we were approving the the lineup here, one of the things Idid bring before the city and if you know of anyone uh all commissions wouldbe open if if there are any students if if we wanted to appoint a student memberlike some of the other commissions. So, if if you know a a young hardworkingupandcomer, you know, from this area that would enjoy attending thesemeetings, um please have them contact the city. >> Do you think anyone will enjoy attendingthese meetings? >> Okay. Sorry. I just>> I do >> I'm just playing devil's advocate here.>> What do you mean? I'm wondering if there's anybody fromthe uh the building the the students that are doing the building>> here in town that we you know if we were to solicit to the whatever group isdoing that if they're local maybe there might be somebody that'd be interestedin joining us >> point good point>> yeah they're for St. Paul College. >> That particular one.>> Yes. >> Yep.>> They aren't doing it through Century College anymore.>> Oh, that program is no longer >> That program is no longer.>> Yeah. Unfortunately, he retired. >> Good that we found a replacement forthat. >> Yes.>> Commissioner May, do you have any um report?>> Not that I can think of. >> Commissioner Wise,>> had you not? >> Any others?>> Do you not? I would like to make comment that um I managed,you know, after numerous opportunities, I managed to go to the coffee withcouncil last week and it's just it was just really encouraging. There werequite a few people there. Not as many as I'd like to see if it was my choice, butthe little coffee shop is just beautiful. And I mean, it's just reallya friendly place. And >> yeah,>> which shop was it? >> The the one uh candy um>> flyby, right? >> What's it called?>> Yeah, flyby. >> Yeah, the flyby. Yeah.>> Yep. >> Um it's just really nice spot. So evenif you don't go there for the coffee with council, go there for fun.>> Have you ever heard of Shorties Appliance?>> Mhm. >> So they just moved into that building upwhere the Nature Nectar whatever if you're going down 36 across from FleetFarm. Okay. >> They own that.>> Okay. Shorties owned the Sweeties and the Flagway.>> The other The other thing um Yeah, the Sweet The other thing we did is we wentto the bakery. >> Yeah.>> Um had some very good baked goods. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality.>> Oh, it's >> of what they had there. So, um>> Yeah. >> I hope they last longer than the lastone. >> Yeah, Hector Hector was extremelyfriendly. >> He is very friendly.>> Yeah. So, I would I just recommend continue to look at local business andgo and be patrons because there's some really nice nice spots to go.>> Um, Mr. Chair, I did think of one other thing. If you don't know,>> great. If you don't, uh, the car show for this year, the cruisers have dialedit back. They're only going every other Friday starting in June. So I thinkthere will be seven or eight Fridays this year and not every Friday uh for avariety of reasons including their primaryleaders are aging out and they need more help and it's a lot of work>> and they're getting tired >> and they're also getting they say tiredof some how they are treated some of the time by the visitors that don't alwayslisten or play by the rules. So, at least for this year, that changed. Thecity is trying to maybe find alternative groups to fill in the other Fridays.That's a work in progress, and I haven't heard any more than that. So, uh, it'llbe different, but they'll still be around at least eight Fridays this year.>> When's that first one, the first car show? Do you remember?>> I want to say the first Friday in June, not till June. I know it's June, but >> good to know.That'll be sad if it goes away. >> And yeah.>> All right. Someone want to make a motion to adjurnn?>> I'll make that motion. >> Motion from Commissioner Gabboy. Asecond. >> I'll second.>> Second from Commissioner Weiss. All in favor to adjurnn say I. Hi.>> Hi. >> Hi. >> Thank you.>> 7:28 >> everybody.