Uh, my wife has been in a play herself lately and so I've had and the kids are out so I've had lots of time to just watch TV that I want to watch. Okay, so it's 6:30. Welcome to the April 2nd, 2025 North St. Paul Arts and Culture Commission meeting. Uh, call to order and we'll take the role. Jordan, you want to take role for us? Yes, I can. Um, so Tom Sonic here. Carrie Neto here. Amanda Black here. Sharon Clark Williams here. Laura String here. Raquel Sodto here. Eliza Verma here. Urosco Garcia here. Troy Woods here. Full house and our staff liaison Jordan Layman. Welcome everybody. Glad everyone can be here today. Um, so we're going to start by adopting the agenda. Um, if anyone has any comments or anything you want to add, edit, change, please let me know. Otherwise, we'll look for a motion to adopt the agenda as is. So moved. Moved by Carrie. Seconded. Second by Amanda. Okay. All in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. Agenda is adopted. Approval of minutes. Everybody get a chance to take a look at the minutes. I know it looked like there was a lot of activity last month. Some good uh discussion happening. Um anything anybody want to uh edit, change, add in the minutes? If not, I'll look for a motion to approve the minutes as is. I make a motion. Motion by Raquel. Second. Second by Sharon. All in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. Okay. Minutes adopted. Meeting open to the public. She doesn't look very interested. Public hearings. We don't have any commission business action items. Okay. So, uh let's start with we have item A here. Community craft project ideas discussion. Uh Jordan, do you want to set us up for that one? Um I honestly don't know a whole lot about this community craft project other than what's down there in city hall is last time we did like the little painting. Yeah. And Amanda, I think you know about this one. Do you Last year's community craft project was the painting the small canvases that we then assembled into the larger one. Yeah. Uh I have some options here that I'll pass out in a second. Um this year I did want to focus more on a take-home project for people rather than something we'll hang publicly. Um focused on more a teen or adult crafts because we will have the art cart for children. Okay. um trying to find something that doesn't take too long and also doesn't need a ton of instruction. So, here's some options. Great. And this to to be clear, this is for the community craft to be done at the Autumn Arts Festival. Yes. Uh take one, pass it down. I might not have enough. 99 bottles would be I'm going to pass it to them. Sure. Uh so the first one you'll see here is leather cord bracelets. We could do uh leather cords with some beads. These are probably the simplest project in this list. Um so we they honestly very simple. Tie some knots and put some beads on the cord. Next page. Uh felt coasters. Sorry. The the costs the 45. What? 45. All of the costs listed are like the total cost for all of the supplies. Oh jeez. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah. How how many bracelets would that be? Uh, so if you look down here, the leather cord listed, it's a 2 meter pack and I think I was approximating three of those. So, 6 mters and various lengths for people. I don't know. I didn't do that math. Hey, I love it. Yeah, it's great. And I assumed 1,200 beads would be enough. Uh, next page we have the felt coasters. This one would be weaving strips of felt together to create the coaster. We do need some glue basically. Um, maybe hands-on instruction needed to explain the weaving. Um, what was I going to say about this one? We might want to consider whether we want people to cut the felt themselves or if we want pre-cut strips and they can just grab those. Next is the mosaic tile. This one would be the most expensive and most instruction needed. I kind of left it open to see if we choose this we can go into further discussion. Um whether it's glass tiles or in the bottom there the picture you'll see is colorful beans. I know we did the mosaic like things last year at the art cart and that was not as successful because of the time consuming. So that's what I was thinking about if we can find a no grout solution or something for this. Um so that could be explored. Finally, we have yarn bowls. Wrapping yarn around a cotton cord and create the bowl shape. This one fairly self uh explanatory. Just maybe need instruction for people on how to create that bowl shape as they're going. I love it. I think we should buy all of these and just pick one. I was going to say, you know what I mean, though? Like we could have it for the art cart for future. You know, the felt coasters. I feel like you could get some um you could do some needle felting on cardboard just to help you know if you didn't want to go the glue route. That would be something that should have supervision if kids are going to do it. But that's something that I've done before. The mosaic. My son did one with the beans at Brunup Farm for one of the camps he did and they just put the beans on and didn't even grow it and it looks great. It's still holding up 10 years later. So I think these are all amazing ideas. Amanda, thank you so much for coming up with these. I really like the idea of doing like either like the leather cord or doing like I am partial to like the bean tile mosaic just cuz I feel like it's easier. It's you know I worry if there's glass involved depending on ages. So I'm like yeah but these are all really good ideas. Um, when you said it's going to be the art project for the teen to adults, do you anticipate it saying like at the door, this is the art project for teens to adults? We have the art cart for children to run wild. Not necessarily. Um, I just wanted to find projects that were more geared towards an older audience. Some of these kids could still definitely do and I don't think we need to put an age limit on it. Okay. Yeah, I think if it's encompassing of all ages, maybe not the glass, but definitely the beans. Well, and I did see some uh glass tiles that if we didn't get a tile cutter, right, and you just have tiny glass tiles, that probably wouldn't create as much of a hazard. Yeah. But yeah, still a lot of stuff to consider with that. Well, the bigger thing when I look at some of these projects, I think about, okay, so most likely it's mom has brought the kids to this event. How long does she really want to sit there and watch this get completed? Cuz I know how I would have felt on a Saturday afternoon, um, having to go to work again on Monday. Got laundry, got other things. And so I want this to be a relief for people. I want them to come and not feel like it's a second burden. And so I like this mosaic tile, but I kind of think that that's something that it's almost like an art night project. Yeah. Where people can relax and have time and then you don't um have people mixing up the colors or the beans or whatever. Right. Right. And so I like the leather cord bracelets because um it it's a fairly rapid but probably not as rapid as they think it's going to be project. But I really I really like that and I like the price point because it it doesn't tie up a lot of funds. I'm not sure I understand fully what goes into making a felt coaster by weaving strips together. I have made woven uh I mean everybody's made the woven placemats whatever and it's gone fairly fast. I I see that as like a really positive cute possibly rapid project because you want people to get a positive feedback really quick from it. And I mean that's what happened with like the little squares when people were painting it. They were happy. I mean it was instantaneous. I dipped the brush. I put it on the board and woo I've got something. So, and I don't know what go is involved in wrapping yarn to make a bowl. Those look really cool, though. I'd like one, please, if you're making one. But, um, that's kind of what I thought. I I don't know what the time constraint. That's not a project I've ever tried. It'd be longer for sure than like the leather cord bracelets or the um felt coaster. Um, yeah. So, that's just all I have to add about him though. But, thank you. Those are such cool ideas. Great. That was amazing. Well, does anyone feel of these options, are there any where we say, "Yeah, that one for sure." I think the bracelet for sure. Yeah, that just I'm not drawn to that. People honestly, I thought the leather cord bracelets were not going to be as popular. Oh, no. I think people really want those. Gentlemen like are wearing leather. Yes. Yes. that and that was one thing I thought of too is that it could be anybody. What do you think you um me personally I feel like the leather cord bracelets would catch my eye. Obviously the tiles catch my eye too but a quicker one and something where it's inclusive to all ages and everybody would be the bracelets because it's not like oh only a guy can wear this. Oh only a girl can wear this. Oh only teens can wear this. Everybody can wear it. And I feel like me, I would like to make one of these. Great. All right. It'd be easy, too. Bracelets are in. Uh, I will send some information to you and Ava about where supplies I found. And then maybe um yeah, a couple different options for that. So, what about anything else on these? So, we got the yarn balls. We have the tiles, two different kind kinds of tiles and the felt coasters because I think we're thinking more than one thing, right? Do we feel right some options? Could I throw an idea in that had? Um, she was there's something like called you have like these wooden fish and everyone decorates their own however they like and you make like a school of fish like on a fence or something like that. Um, if you like look up you can like kind of look up Yeah. like fence wooden fish or school of fish community craft project and you get some really cool images and that's something Ava was thinking about and just wanted to throw it out there a potential option. I have not thought about this as much as Amanda has obviously so I do not know what like price points would be or anything. Okay. Yeah. And I was trying to look um I forget how much Ava has set aside in the budget for this project. It's certainly more than the $45 I had allocated for the bracelets. Well, and we could potentially take from art cart or something if you need it. If there's money I know Ava still has plenty in the budget, I believe. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I thought you meant supplies like beads and stuff from the art cart. Oh, just draw draw from that budget. You know, I think we you know, we've always got probably more than we need in the art cart and I think that art cart is jammed full of stuff, right? So, oh, for the last one, that's what I was thinking. Uh, the bowls, I didn't look too deeply into cost because it depends on so many things as far as the yarn, definitely. Um, and assumed if people are like me and have stuff hanging around from projects they didn't need as much yarn as they thought they needed, then we could take donations as well. Yeah, for sure. And I wondered like what's your guess? Do you think Amanda on the time to complete some of these like the yarn bowl versus the felt coasters or something? Honestly, the felt coasters would take five minutes if you're being meticulous. Oh, really? Yeah. And that's if we cut strips ahead of time. Okay. If you've ever like woven paper Yeah. It's that but with felt and you just have to glue down the ends. Um, so that's fairly quick. the yarn bowl. I guess I've never done it. I know um the thought process behind making it. Those are pretty simple. Yeah, it's simple. It's just about like um like big long piece of foam and you start spiraling it together. Yeah, it's a cotton cord that I was looking at. And you wrap the yarn around the cotton cord. And as you work your way around in this picture, you'll kind of see where the yarn dips down into the row below it. The colors that's tying those together, and that's how it creates the bowl shape. So, probably a little longer for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I I do like the coasters cuz I can see making one like to put on my desk like for work. You know what I mean? This is what I did this weekend. I I think people would do that. And if it's like five minutes, I I think that's definitely something. Like I said, I'm looking to the parents and what of children and what is it that they can actually do and get done and look at what look after their children simultaneously. And the first two definitely seem to fall into that category. Yeah. Yeah. And as you had said, uh the first one that appeals to everyone. So that would bring in our teen crowd as something to do. And we don't have to decide obviously the second, but that that's just well part yeah part of the sort of do um a AA is working on plans and so she wants to start getting the supplies purchased and I'm I'm intrigued by this um school of fish idea but I wonder if we I'm sorry I'm leaning into the snowman. Um, but you know, if we if we had a bunch of little tiny ones and we put them all on that fence next to where the big guy lives, I mean, that could be cute. That could be a nice community art project. But, you know, maybe back pocket. It's intriguing. I like it. Good job, Ava. as usual. Or even like I like the idea too because I think of fences um that are around ball fields or something like that. Yeah. You could do something like that. Mhm. I sometimes people I know they like just take like pieces of fabric and they'll write out words or something on a fence. Yeah. Or those um solo cups. You see them? There's one on Mcnite where they've like be nice in solo cups in a fence. Yeah. Okay. So, that's an idea. Yeah. Um, so is there anything else that Do we want to say yes on felt coasters now to help Ava get that going or do we want to wait to make decisions on anything else here? I really love all the options. So, whatever we don't pick, could we consider for like art carting and seconded? Yeah. Or art night. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I because that's what I see. The mosaic tile is more of an art night where you've got you're relaxed and you've got time to create something fabulous. But I I love that idea. So then would we wanted So I like that because I agree with you, Sharon, that the the cord bracelets and the felt coasters, those kind of shorter things, nice for people that don't really want to commit much time or can't. Um, but would would we want to have the yarn bowl then for people that can and do want to commit more time? Is it too much? I think maybe fewer options. Like that sounds like super contradictory, but like you know, like it kind of takes away choice fatigue and also it allows us to maybe have more folks to supervise if needed. So it's not like they're being spread too thin, but Okay. And I think if we're concerned about um time and you know parents this being a relaxable setting maybe yarn bowl might not be the best option that is a little time consuming. Yeah that's and that's what I was saying is maybe if you wanted something that's more timeconuming if you don't have kids with you or something like that you wanted to but you could make a whole set of coasters. Yeah. So, do do we want to say leather cord bracelets and felt coasters? I think those projects go together nicely because Okay. So, action item to take away is to give that to Ava to buy the supplies for those two things then. Yeah. And then save these other ideas for future possibilities. Yes. Everybody feel good about that? Okay. Amanda. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, Amanda. Appreciate all the visual aids, too. Yeah, it really helps. Okay, so what we have next is subcommittee updates. So, let's go to our plan here. Um, so public art project. So, we had Raquel, Laura, and Carrie on that. Uh, any any new thoughts or ideas about that one? Yes. Oh, great. And I think actually Troy has an update. Oh. Oh. the stamp. Uh yeah. So I talked So one of the ideas that was brought up last week was uh about with all the road construction which you talked about earlier going on and having to redo sidewalks and things like that for that. The thought was could we do a stamp that gets or create a stamp that gets stamped into concrete? Yeah. uh in the concrete concrete sidewalk. So, he can say, "Hey, yeah, you're in North St. Paul because there's a snowman or you know, something in the sidewalk." Um, and I talked to the city manager about it and he said, "Yes, that is an option. He's on board with it." So, he was going to start looking into it. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I know. We've talked about that before of whether it was permanent or not permanent, but I love those that you see those around. I know in St. Paul they got a lot of that. Yep. Um, yeah, it's a great idea. Yeah. And last week we tal I mean the thought was you know I guess kind of the conundrum was do we do like a phrase or something like that and it's you know how many times can you see a certain phrase before you it just you don't but you know with us being North St. Paul and kind of leaning into the snowman with everything I think the snowman makes most sense. Yeah. I don't know how those things work you know like if you were to because I've seen like poetry that they do. So, I don't know if it's like a printing press kind of thing where you can move letters around and so you can come up with different phrases and put different things in different places, but I'm guessing there's probably different types. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, even even just to have a snowman would be cool. I think so. So, um Troy, we had met as the subcommittee on that and um I was looking into the 3D printer option for a Snowy to stamp. Do you think that that would work if we like washed it after each use and everything or do you think it needs to be metal? Um, oh, I don't know. I guess that's a good question. I probably a better question for um I will talk to our consultants from the name of the company escapes me but the company that helps you know that helps manage the the roads and things like that um and see what their thought is because I would say that when they when they stamp concrete you know like when you the stamps that they use to put a pattern in concrete those are usually made of rubber or silicone or something like that. So, I don't know if that that's what it would be, but they're easier to clean. They don't Right. Right. Yeah. Well, that's great. Yeah. Um, we had we talked about some other ideas. Actually, one of our ideas was started with Hueed and his letter to join this commission. Um, the idea of having a Snowy that people could take home and decorate according to their own culture. So, we've um been kicking around the idea of bring snowy home. Um, and we've been exploring different materials. Um, whether it's wood, concrete, 3D printed, um, what we could create that people could have like a little snowy that stands next to their front door that they could decorate according to whatever it is that they want to decorate it. Cuz Yeah. And do you know do you know does anybody know who is makes those? Cuz I know some people there you can buy those and people have them out in their front yards right now. They're like, I don't know, two or three feet. That's who does it? Okay. Yeah. Metal one. Um, so it would be would it be like in that vein? Like it would be something like that, but then people could kind of decorate it their own way. Yep. Yep. And so we're trying to find what material would work best. The ones from Graphic Traffic are $45. So we're looking at not that option because we want to make a lot of them. But um, that's what What else do we want to add to that? So I reached out to well Carrie told me about the some local woman a team were making um like door sign skellies for some movement. I forget what the story was. Skele. [Laughter] Um so anyway I reached out to the lady that makes them. Her small business is called Cali Soda Girl Creations. Um, and she told me that she can make a max size of 18 by 23 um, without distorting the snowman. She's got like a laser a laser bed and so same thing, it would be made out of birch and she said she could add a steak. Um, they're about like a quarter inch thick. Um, but that idea was, you know, we could have her laser print a bunch of, you know, snowmen's on stake and people can take it home, they can paint it, dress it up, or do what they want with it. Um, pricing, she said TBD. Um, she brought up maybe doing them out of acrylic. Um, so depending if we wanted acrylic or wood, um, that would kind of determine pricing. And I told her that one of us was working on getting a quantity. Um, so I'm not sure if we reached out to Ava. I did. Yeah. She didn't know how many. Um, we were trying to um, repeat the number of air purifiers that they had that they were giving away at the last arts festival. We were like, well, how many did they have for that? That's a good number. So, I don't know. but she didn't know how many. So, whatever we can come up with, I think. But, and then we were kind of kicking around. Do we want to do like an event where we have people come and pick it up and decorate it there or do we want that? I think that would be a great like community thing so that you have a thing where there's an event and then people take and then it's like, okay, now take it home and and put it up in your yard and then people start to see them all around town. I think that's a great idea. So yeah, we basically depending on qu quantity then should give pricing. She did say that she does require 50% non-refundable deposit um upon you know going with her and then um I forgot what I was going to add but again next week. So and then how would the funding for this work? So would would we have a item for this? We have $5,000 request which I believe was approved. Yep. This is the $5,000 project. We were thinking between the stamp and this we could we would be okay. Yeah. We were thinking potentially having them by June 13th, which is the big truck night. Okay. And then we could give them out there. um they're free or people purchasing this noise or is it that was the other dilemma price point. So if they're too expensive then we'd ask for a small fee so it's like they're contributing to the cost but um yeah like to be able to give them away as part of the project. So especially if it's an event, right? Yeah. I would suggest not to go with the acrylic because it's more difficult to decorate and then keep it like the paint will come off. Yeah. Keep it lasting through the weather. Mhm. Okay. Yeah, that's a good call. We also thought it would be fun to do um a kind of like build your own snowman out of household items um and display it in your yard and then maybe we could have like the community voting like we do for Christmas lights for the best town snowy just to get people driving around or walking when the weather's nice and seeing all the snowies. So, could be like old tires or whatever you've got that's roundish to create a snowy. I forgot about that. Yeah. Can I just stack my children in the front yard? Well done. What about should should we try and co-opt the skelly gate and I mean people decorate skeletons. It's already happening. It's a thing. We could just engage cultural phenomenon for St. Paul. Yeah. I think that's a good like Halloween project. But okay, SK, do you know about it? Okay, so a woman had a 12-oot skeleton in her yard. Maybe maybe two. Do you know of a chick and ones of a human skeleton and they're very large and someone wrote one of those like scribble letters that people can't tell your handwriting, like you are satanic and everyone hates you and you're going to die a sad lonely death. Not exactly, but I'm paraphrasing. And so actually said, "Have a nice day." But so then she shared it on social media and everyone's like, "That's ridiculous. North St. Paul is not about hate speech or evil letters that you get in your mailbox that no one has the balls to sign. We're all going to put up our skeletons again in solidarity." And so people are putting up their skeletons. Cali Soda Girl Creations has made um uh door hangers and things you can put next to your front door that are Kenny the big snowman with a skeleton inside of him. So, it's kind of an embracing of the snowman and skeletons and being an individual. So, now you know. Thank you. I was out of the loop. This has become a thing now. People are videos. I saw somebody driving down the street with a motorcycle with a skeleton on the back hanging off of it. So, oh, and there's a woman, Rachel Thompson, who is amazing, um, who lives in North St. Paul. Every winter, she does do you ever do her um the presents for the families in need. Oh, no. I know about that. So, she she did a whole thing where um people could Venmo her and she raised $2,000 for the North St. Paul food shelf as part of this Skellyygate. So, it was on the news. And it was on the news. Good job, Ava. Yeah. So, I wonder even like with the public art. So if we even if we just do the snowies and people paint them their own way, I I like the idea of having some kind of like event around that. So whether it's, you know, so we say so an event to kick it off, you know, so that people pick them up and they don't have to paint them there, but there's at least an opportunity and we have supplies available. But then what about a timeliness or something with the displaying of it? like I don't know, you probably wouldn't have that many of them, but would it would it be like, "Hey, and make sure you have it out [Music] during every Friday during the car show or you know, I don't know, something like that that there's that there's kind of a timeliness to it rather than just it becomes like a competition thing like with the lights." Yeah. Maybe we put that message out there like, "Hey, we're going to hold this contest. Have it done by this date and that's when we'll vote on who's got the best like snowy all summer or something like that." And so it's like and so on snowy summer. Yeah. And then so like on the 4th of July you pick the winner or I don't know something. So that there's kind of like a because that you know having a time uh a time bound thing to it. Not that people couldn't keep them in their yard all the time if they wanted to but that you could say you know definitely around this time because this is when we're trying to drum up the interest and and and have it out in your yard and send us your address and we'll come and look. And I like the idea of there being a time if we're judging things. If we're not judging, I would say to just they you do you do what they're snowy what they want. Maybe they just want to display it inside their home. So Right. It wouldn't be Right. Right. But I understand the whole idea is to create a sense of urgency around it so people will actually complete the snowman and then by making a choice it brings um it it brings it into a community event. So, we're not just doing something as a commission to say, "Okay, well, we need to pick up something, so let's hand out snowies." We're creating community around an idea. And so, I think that's part of our mission, right? I did have another um source that I looked at. We also talked about trying to replicate the polar bears that White Bear has. M um and so I found the creator of those and it was SVJ Creative Designs. They're in Kellogg, Minnesota. Um and it seems like they can do it out of various med mediums. So um maybe concrete or iron. I reached out to them. Um haven't heard anything yet, but that's another thing we talked about. Um so have any thoughts on that size? I don't know how big if it was like a hollow concrete or something or is that just like a terrible idea? The the polar bears are not hollow from what they are heavy. Yeah, this is a separate from the last event. So now the separate idea is that we're to distinguish our community. People have an option of purchasing a snowman to put out in their yard year round like the people have the bear in their yard year round. Yeah. Okay. But I think still along the same lines of being able to decorate it and do whatever you want with it. Yeah. Okay. But this is they would obviously purchase it. Yeah. They would probably because it sounds expensive and um but I think that's really cool. I always wanted that. I would want one. Yeah. Like have like a little snowman out in the yard. You know, yard school. And yeah, I don't know how big we would, you know, if that was something we pursued. Like I mean, what would be a good size? You know, how big is too big? 12 to 15 inches. You don't want it so tall that it's going to tip and a snowman's already tall and slenderish. Yeah. I think the other question we had too, maybe this is a good time to bring it up, is um June 13th we were doing the cards, right Jordan? Is June 13th the big truck big truck night? Yeah. So we didn't I don't know if we do this as well. Does that take away from the cards or is that just extra fun? I think there's a lot going on June 13th and maybe don't add on to it. Okay. So we could maybe do like a different car night where we just set up a Yeah. a space, a different night. Yeah. I mean, just so we get a lot of the community there or be a separate event that we put on and try to draw. But we talked about national night out. Oh, yeah. Um making our own like snowy night out and having like a little community get together to distribute it and or decorate if that's what we wanted to do. Yeah. Could we have a table in the fire station for their national night out? Yeah. Can we Jordan? I can ask. Yay. Thanks. That'd be great. Cuz they give away things too and then it's not like too much going on. I don't think cuz the truck night would be I think it's pretty hectic on Yeah. And you had came to our committee meeting too. Thanks for coming. Yep. Uh I have a question about the snowy uh the take your take your snowy home. Mhm. Uh, what did you guys make the big snowies out of? Oh, they are fiberglass, I believe. Some kind of resin. Yeah, it's a Those are hollow inside. Do you guys think you guys can make like a smaller version of those? We did not make them ourselves. The company that made them. So, it's a mold. So, they'd have to create a whole new mold. There's a huge process involved with that, I would say. And it's probably more expensive than we're looking to spend. Okay. I like where your head is, though. It's a really good idea. It is. Yeah. Um, anything else on public art project? A lot of great progress. I love it. Oh, that's really cool. Laura, Raquel, Gary, good. All right. Murals. Uh, Sharon or Carrie, do you want to talk about this one or I can. kick it off. I we have made tremendous progress I feel on the mural issue. We've reached out to the historical society and let them know that we're you know we are ready to move forward and these are the parameters. Yay. They responded and they have um let us know what type of mural they want. They want to go ahead with it which makes me very very happy. So now that big wall next to the cannon park can have a mural on it which I think people will enjoy. And so they have given us their ideas of how they would like to see their mural expressed not too garish something that's historically related. And I mean it all makes sense. So, we are at a point now where we're going to start moving forward with a call for artists. And so, that's our next step is coming up with an outline for our call for artists. So, I am very very excited about that and thanks for all the work you guys have done. It's great. And so, I think maybe a question here um whether it's just for our subgroup or the greater commission. So, we have $12,000 budgeted for murals. Um, the intention here, I don't know if this was talked about last month. Um, but with the historical society because of its mission and purpose, um, that we would be willing to fund the full cost of the mural for the historical society. So, that is not a blanket statement for any kind of nonprofit organization that we would do that. Um, but because our our approach for the mural projects is that if there were a a private business or maybe another nonprofit that we would be willing to participate financially up to 50% of the cost of the mural, but that the business owner would also have to pay some of that cost as well. With the historical society being so unique in in its purpose, we felt like uh we could fund the full cost of the mural for the historical society and also they are not able to participate financially in the cost themselves. So that's another factor. Um does anyone have any concerns or objections about that approach? No objections. Um, I think, you know, we're writing this into kind of more standard policy and procedure for for murals as we move forward so that when we do reach out to other people, we can give them kind of, you know, it's it's not it's not really that complex. We've gone around on this a couple times. Um, but just to kind of clarify for people how this is involved. But I think what we will have to do and what I' I mean what I'd really like to do in our call for artists is say this is the budget. You know, you will receive this much money and you have to do you have to take care of all of it, right? And so that is that's what we did with the Silver Lake with Silver Lake was different in as far as taking care of the whole thing because remember public works was involved etc. And but then when we did the garage, what did we call that? The dumpster garage or something. Um the garage downtown, we put that one out there and said this is inclusive of everything, you know. So we didn't want to get public works involved and having to, you know, prep the building and all that kind of stuff. Um how do we feel? I I really wouldn't want to have the public works, you know, to try and approach them for the historical society building either. Do do you think that's okay? Um because then I think you know we bump up the the uh budget a little bit more. You know the you know I the bathroom building budget for that mural was I think ridiculously cheap. I mean we got away we got a great piece of art for very little money on that one. Um the dumpster building uh we we paid a little bit more for that one but public works had did not have to be involved. the art artist took care of everything. Um, and so the historical society, I think one of the things we'd want to do is have that artist, you know, talk with the historical society, go there, see what their thoughts are, you know, kind of do a little homework on that. Um, and then take care of the the building prep to paint and everything else. So, um, with the $12,000 budget, how do we feel about what kind of fund we would want to put forward on that one? So, I'm thinking probably at least in the neighborhood of $6,000. Again, I think that was what we put down for the garage building was 6,000. Sounds great. Um, square footage wise, um, and I'm happy to help. You know, we can I can go out there with a tape measure myself, too, and and make sure we have the square footage correct because the total square footage that the artist did for the bathroom building, I would have to think it's pretty close when you consider, you know, three to four sides of the bathroom building versus one side of the historical society. Um, and say, you know, here's the total square footage, but you know, here's the dollar amount. Um, and that'll probably be predict, you know, how detailed they want to get in their art as well, but Sounds good. We want to go six. Yes. And that would leave some budget for That leaves half of our budget other projects. And like you said, it's just the one wall. And based on what we have spent on other mural projects, that's what North St. Paul spends for murals. And we we can't help it. I mean, if that that's what our budget allows for. And I think it's reasonable. Okay. So, if you think that's okay, I what I'm thinking is we could put I could put together another When we did the call for artists for the bathroom building, we had a like a PowerPoint. Mhm. Um and it just showed pictures and said, "This is the idea. This is kind of where the feel, that kind of thing, and then we sent that into to an email to known muralists." And that's what we would do again. And I think our list of known muralists has grown considerably, right? because we've been working with a lot more artists over the last couple years. Um so again to just send that out and uh see if what kind of responses we get. Um the city uh staff was uh wants to be involved in the final selection of the art, right? Um, and so I think the selection process may may take a little bit more time because then now we've got kind of several entities, you know, we got the arts commission, we've got city staff, and then we've got um uh the historical society themselves who are going to want to have a big say in in what it looks like or which which artist to choose. So, um, but I think it's I think it's exciting. Get one more one more mural right downtown. That would be good. But feel okay with that approach. Love it. Okay. Yeah, they are so impactful. We need more. Yeah, they look great. I totally drive by the dumpster building all the time now. I don't even go down Margaret anymore. I just turn and go down. I check it out. I'm like, this is what I need. I Well, I see the Silver Lake one all the time. I just love it. We should get them back and paint the front side of it, too. Don't push it. You drive by the blank wall. Well, I walk I'll I'll walk around the lake or you know I got my little routes that I do and so but you can see it from all over wherever you're at. Okay. Um anything else on murals? Then we'll get this historical society one going and then we can dig into some others. Uh utility box. Any updates here? Yes, we are making progress. Um, you want Sure, I'll go first. Um, so the heart hand the heart hand images um have been edited with the colorful backgrounds. So, we went back to the original idea to have kind of the primary and some secondary color backgrounds in the mosaic. Um, so those uh have been edited and the images are being compiled, not by me, but someone that is more skilled with um Photoshop. Um, so I didn't I was hoping to get it tonight before the meeting, but I don't have it yet, but it will be done this week. And then, um, Sharon and I were talking about moving forward planning a template style call for artists to have on the web page, um, to have like annual utility boxes projects. So, these are the ones we're doing this year. This is, you know, what we need. These are the sizes. and then a blanket call for artists um on the city website for future years. Let's kind of model it after how uh we saw other cities join it out west is they typically do like three to five boxes a year. These are the type of images we want early in the season. They send out the call for artists, make the selections and then it's it's kind of a self working process, right? instead of the individual one by one. So, she found out how it worked at other places. Sharon does not want to recreate the wheel. Well, I just when I we drove out to California, there were so many of them. I'm like, how are they doing this? And this one, it ain't one at a time. No. And so I investigated the maybe six or seven cities is how is this happening? And I think that's the methodology we like best because there's, you know, a variety of ways to do it. But I thought that is a cool way of Yeah. We're going to do these three or whatever. Okay. So So Casey, like heart hands, what our timing on that? We're getting pretty close to that one. Yep. So we'll submit it um hopefully the end of this week and see what their timeline is to wrap. Okay. Yeah. Weather's probably still not right at Too. Yeah. Yeah. Got to be a little warmer out too, I think. Or so we have other box in progress would be for the veterans park right now. Um where we are on that is right now the the veterans park group they're going to meet on next week and I will be going to that meeting. We have um decided what box is going to be approved to be done. So, that's done. I've drafted a call for artists. I've handed that off to Jordan to get that approved by the city to make sure like whatever else I need to put into it. Yeah, I've got a list of artists. So, we're just waiting for these last few factors to come together. And also with the call to artists when I meet with the veterans committee they can let me know like okay I hear your wording for what we're let want can we add this can you know take that out we're not interested in this anymore because I based it on what they told me several months ago this is what we want now they've had time to simmer with the idea once we get it done then it's going to be hopefully a quick turnaround because I'm not asking for anything that dramatic it's we're going to just put it out there, have people come back, we'll we'll pick somebody and then we'll give them just a week or two to get the artwork created. Okay? They'll know in advance because it'll be in the call that this these are the dates. These are the critical dates. Okay? So, the goal still is to have it done by August 15th for the 10th anniversary of the Veterans Park. Okay. And so hopefully Cool. And Jordan can tell me where the document I gave her. Have you heard back yet? Um, I did actually hear back from Brian. He I wasn't here yesterday and he wasn't here today, so I wasn't able to talk to him verbally, but he sent me a document that I did send to you like an hour before the meeting. So, assuming you have not got a chance to look at it. Um, but yeah, I think the uh call artist that you sent, I think there's a few edits made on it, but what the document I sent you should be good to go. Okay, fantastic. Sweet. I like it. Um, and I like that that we're just doing a call for artists on these things now rather than trying to wade through, you know, pictures on Google images or whatever. That's great. Um, any any update on the Rodies one? Are they involved yet or? We do not have updates on No, there nothing and um which is why we're moving forward to have a simpler process for getting the um boxes done in the future. Gotcha. Um, anything else? That's it. Great progress. All right, art cart. Amanda Raquela, any updates here? So, we're going to have first art cart showing will be at the uh car show city the the truck night, right? Or the city night, whatever they call it. That's correct. Gotcha. Uh, I don't have any updates unless Raquel has No. Okay. Not yet. Our our next project is to organize the art cart and then kind of take inventory of what's there, right? Um, art night. We have one coming up, right? Carrie, Amanda, any updates on this one? Yeah, I think um Sorry, did you want to No, go ahead. Jordan has done an amazing job scheduling our art nights, so I think those are all on our calendar. Um we've got volunteers set up for all of those. Um Laura brought back I have a Jordan I have a bag and in that bag are surveys and pens. And one of the things that I like to do as part of the art nights is survey the crowd at the end of the event. If I Yeah, it's great. Um, so if I give you the survey, can you print some more for me, please? Probably. Yeah. Yes. So, and so we have all the artist leaders. The all the artists are set. We got all the nights. They're on the website. They're being advertised. You can only sign up for the first one right now, but Art Night is all green. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. Am I things to add? Nothing. Okay. I'm excited. It's going to be great. Yeah. So, you but adding like a a feedback survey for people that attend. Yep. I love it. And what is this first one that Swatha is doing? Um terracotta pots. So, like painting painting the pot that you can plant a plant in. I got posted on Facebook a little while ago, I think. Sorry, cuz I was sharing it with people and saying it's been in the email a couple times, too. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen it on the in the email today, I think. Um, Autumn Arts Festival. I don't really have any updates other than the community craft project that we Yeah, this is kind of an event thing. Um, yeah, it's mainly in Ava's hands at this point. Okay. I think if I'm read I'm looking to Jordan because I don't know if she's in this. Ava sent me a spreadsheet as far as for contacting artists. And if I'm reading that one correctly, we have about 30 artists signed up. Oh. Oh, for the uh Yeah, the vendors. Yes, I believe. So, not all have paid. Some won't. Maybe they will. Hope they do. But yeah, no, we have a decent amount. Wow. If I'm reading it right, it looks like Yeah, like 32. Yeah. Oh, which is very I think that's the most we've had. We've never had that many. No. So, I'm That's exciting. Uh 22 25 last year. Um she growing this thing. Oh, well, I don't think I don't know if that you talked to Raquel about. Yes, she she's been a vendor for Yeah. the last few years. That's why I recognize that name. Um, I might still do some further reach out as we get closer, but I think it's really good that we have the number we do and we'll have to figure out some layouts. Oh, yeah. I think the number we're shooting for is like 40ish is the number that I was hearing. But I don't have to travel for work that weekend this time. So, that's good. All right. Fantastic, man. Everything is just We're crushing it. See how we're just getting into this routine? I was explaining to Eliza earlier before everyone was here that, you know, we we just started this when what year did we start? 21. Don't ask me any I don't know. It's been too long. Few years ago, but we kind of got right into it pretty quickly and now we've kind of matured where we're just kind of you can see how we're cruising here. A lot of who are we meetings. I remember that. Yeah. Our night on March. Okay. So, Asian night, I'm hearing, is possibly being called something else. Now, I think last time we agreed that we would do more of a like a taste of North St. Paul night where we invite local like restaurants to come um and like share like some food. Words are hard at this time of the night. I apologize. Um, but we would have it'd be more of like a family like event. We were hoping to have it be a bit more open like and free for people to come in and join us. I did create like a very like on page 10 and 11 of the packets. Um, these are literally just ideas that are just like on the page like let's talk through any of them, veto any of them. But the idea is, um, Ava has connections with businesses in the area that she's already cultivated those relationships. Um, there's a new event space called Puzzles that's open. So, another local place that we could possibly work with. Um, it's a very large space, so we'd have to do some work to make it a little cozier. Um, I think the biggest thing, a few big things, but one of them is we were looking at dates more in the fall because there's so much happening in summer. We were hoping maybe to if we move this around that time of the year, maybe this could then be like that thing that happens like every autumn possibly, I guess. Um but yeah, we just have some ideas for activities. Um both for children, for adults, kind of general. Um and then like some bigger event ideas could be we could do have like a people's choice where folks can like vote on the food. Um and maybe even like a judge's choice where we have like the mayor or the firefighters or the commission or someone like also have like a category for that. And maybe if we have it open for free for the public, we could have them, sorry, we could possibly have them like pay to be part of like a raffle and or possibly if we wanted to work with like the the food shelf, like maybe they come in and donate like some food or money towards that. So just ideas. So I love it. Feel free to feedback. This is so exciting. Thank you so much. Yeah, this is great. I did learn about a new bakery. Um I don't know. Can we have them as these kinds of a cottage bakery? Cottage license. Food home license. What? Cottage food license. Yeah, cottage food license. There's a new bakery in town. Bakery Fina, I think they're called. That would be There's one downtown. There's Sweet Nothings. Um I know Ava is actually looking into like food licenses and what it will take to do that. I know that, you know, there is like the cottage foods license, which I'm not experienced enough to speak on that. So, cottage food license. Yeah. Like if you just make stuff in your house to sell, that's a whole different full kitchen. Having a bake sale or something. A lot of it is baked goods and or canned. Yeah. Properly canned stuff. Yeah. One thing I might add, it's not a restaurant, but there is an African market downtown as well. Oh, yes. And so I don't know if they would have some sort of grocery item they could bring or if they maybe if they create anything as well. But and just saying we got to you got to add Village Pizza onto that list. But the vendors North St. Paul Institution selling their their goods, right? Well, that's where for free. But so you go up to Sweet Nothing's booth and then you pay. Well, and that's something I actually kind of wanted to ask you guys about is um possibly using like a part of the funding to pay like the restaurants to have food. So that way it's free for those folks and yet we're also like supporting them because it feels if this is going to be a community event, I want folks to be able to engage with it um who walk in the door. Um, and if you have like three kids, all of them getting a donut, that can add up really fast. Um, and that kind of goes for like all the booths. But that's something I wanted to bring up just cuz there's a lot of moving parts. So, it could be a ticketed type event where you pay a fee at the door per person and then when you go in then the food is comes with the ticket. I don't want to say free because it's not free because you paid to get in. But we do want them to taste all the things because people have their favorites. So, they're going to just go to Village Pizza. They're going to just go to Max, but we want them to try all the things so that we're supporting all our businesses and they might try something there that they wouldn't have been open to try, you know, on any of their free nights. So, yeah, we want to encourage that. My request to the restaurants would be to have small bites. Not not not a full cheeseburger, not a whole donut even, but small bites. Yeah, that's uh to get to Laura's idea about having them try all the different foods. Um, one thing they've done at conferences that I've gone to is where if you v visit all the vendor booths and get a stamp from each vendor, then you're entered into a raffle kind of thing. Oo. So you could do something like that where passport booth and try something from each booth. Then you're entered into a raffle for a gift card or cookbooks. That's a cool idea. So encourages everybody to visit every booth at least and you know try something or at least talk to them and say hey you know what do you guys make? I'm not really willing to try that but can you stamp my thing? Yeah. And I I'm not sure about how our like city attorney would chime into this, but I think probably to do something like this, the best thing that we could do is make it as easy as possible for the restaurants to participate. But by paying them directly, we might run into a problem. Um, and that's just something that we'd have to talk to legal about and see if if that's a thing. But, you know, there are other ways that we could make it enticing for the restaurants to to be involved though. You know, just and I think, you know, how do we make it as easy as possible for them to come in, set up, you know, make some money? Well, how are those food and wine events that happen in Minneapolis all the time? You buy a fee. You pay a fee to go in and then you go booth to booth. There there must be a standard. Yeah. I I'm not familiar with, but there has got to be an already established format of how these events occur. I'm sure part of what Tom's mentioning though is the difference in a private entity running those events and a city governmentr run entity. Yeah, that's what we ran into with some other events that I've or things that we've worked on is for the city. Yeah. paying a business. It optics matters because there it could be some of those events could be run by a nonprofit organization or something that's just independent of the city and they they're they have a lot more freedom. So, but worth looking into. Mhm. Along those same lines, as far as making it worth it for the or making it easy for the restaurants to come, uh when you look forward to the dates, I would suggest maybe we look at the Thursdays because Fridays can be busy restaurant nights. Or we're looking at just week nights for this. What What about a weekend? I think it was with the thought process that weekends are busy for them and they would might lose business if they close to. So, we were kind of thinking like what might be their slow nights and maybe get folks out anyway. But yeah, like on a Tuesday or Wednesday. Mhm. Um the 622 Education Foundation used to do a taste of 622 where we would do something similar. We would bring restaurants together and it was nice. They would set it up at Tartan High School in Oakdale. And what made that nice is they could just use that cafeteria space. So, I wonder if um I don't know if you have a space already set up for this and we don't already have a community center available at this point in time, but maybe at North if we set up within that cafeteria area, that's kind of an easy prep space for restaurants if we're trying to make it easier on them and have them all in one location. I don't know what the licensing piece of that or cost to rent or whatever would be involved, but just throwing that out there as an idea. Yeah, we me oh sorry we mentioned it to um Ava and she suggested puzzles but we can bring up possibly going back to north again. So yeah I mean you know when the show choir I mean the show choir is part of the high school but when they have their uh rock the north rock the north you can do it. Yeah. uh when they have their Rock the North event, they're commandeering that whole kitchen and cafeteria for all that food. Y and sometimes they've had 62 cafeteria employees helping out and sometimes they haven't. So it it wouldn't be the first time somebody's done that, you know, to use the kitchen space, but I'm sure there's probably some, you know, risk involved in that, too. And makes sense to look at the new kid on the block puzzles and see if maybe they'd be interested in hosting. It's a good location. Yeah. Great parking, right? Great work. Awesome. This is so exciting. Look at all this, Eliza. You're just uh on it. The new kid coming in and coming in hot. Impressive. Yeah. Coming in hot. Yeah. Love it. Um Okay. So, we got some stuff in the works. We got some ideas cooking. So, this is good. Um anything else on that, Eliza or Laura? No. Okay. All right. So, we're uh done with that section. We've uh got did all of our subcommittee updates and boy uh that was a wholesome report from all of our subcommittee. So, we got a lot going on. Old business, anything old business we need to cover? Do you know, Jordan? Okay. Uh reports from staff. So, uh we have snowy card envelopes. You want to take that one, Jordan? Yeah. Um, I just wanted some clarification before I made like final purchases for these snowy card envelopes that we plan on giving out the big truck night. Um, so I have found some colorful options where they're like, you know, red, green, blue, everything. Um, they're $8.99 for 140 pack. So I don't know, maybe do two. So total of 280 uh envelopes. That sound good for everyone? Okay. Um, I missed the idea. I know I read about this. So, but the idea is to put like individual ones in an envelope and then so we hand those out so like a kid doesn't know what they're getting from. Remember the uh Pokemon? Yeah, it's like getting a Pokemon conversation. Yeah. Yeah. More than one card per envelope. I can't remember. I think the initial idea was just the one. Okay. Um I think maybe we'll just see how this idea pans out. Do they have orange to match our art cart? Pretty sure they do. Yeah, they do have orange. working all the time. Do you want just orange? Yes. Sorry, that was too loud. Yeah, go for it. Okay. Um, and then the one question I have is who would also like to help package all of these? I volunte you know that reminds me too as I think about that. So, we have some new representatives here who we need I we might have some extra uh t-shirts in the art cart. Mhm. But we got to get everybody fitted with a t-shirt so that when they show up for the for the big truck night, big truck night and everything else that everybody's looking sharp in their arts commission shirt. And I'm still working on getting in the art cart. Carrie, still working on it. Getting an art cart. What? Uh getting in the art cart. Art cart to look for the shirts about it. Oh. Oh, okay. Gotcha. We're on the same page. We are. Yeah. Um, all right. Got what you need on that one? I did. Okay. Budget and events calendar. Do we want to just take a look at that or are there any specific questions you wanted to bring up on that? I would just like to point out that the art night has spent all but $10 of our budget and we're good to go. Nice. guided art nights. We thought this is the terracotta uh yep painting, right? Yep. And then the the next thing after that is the next guided art night. May 15th. Yeah. Do you have what that is off the top of your head? It's 15. Oh my god. That's a pretty budget page. It tells you. Okay. Okay. So, flip it over, Tom. It's right here. What are you looking at? If you look at art night, it tells you what Oh, look at that. Okay. And candle making. That sounds fun. Watercolors. Sweet is kind of a hit, huh? She really is. Yeah, she's and knit chunky blanket. I read about that. Yeah. Boy, we got some good stuff. Sign up for that. Yeah, that sounds like a good one. Look at all that stuff we're doing. It's pretty cool. Um, any questions or concerns about our calendar, I guess if Yeah. No, I thought I had one, but I don't. Um, so just so especially for newer people here, big truck night, you know, so we have the art cart sitting there um during the car show and just love to have as many of our uh arts and culture commissioners there as possible, just wandering around, wearing your t-shirt, whatever, hanging out, helping do stuff, handing out snowy cards, which will be a fun thing. Um, and then same thing with Autumn Arts Festival. Those are times where we want to have as many of the ACC commissioners there as possible. Um, but everyone is certainly welcome to go to everything. U, but want to have make sure we have a good showing on those ones for sure. Is there going to be a parade this year? Oh, yeah. Is there? I don't know. Does North St. Paul have a parade every year? Live here. So adorable. which you know the fall round up. Yeah. Um that is not put on by the city. That is put on by the business association. So I do not know. It was put on by the city but then has switched. It's switched. Yeah. So um so I'm not sure but I will I can check with some people. Yeah. Because we kind of need to know if we're supposed to be if we're going to have a toss out candy that night or do I just sit at home by myself in the dark? Oh, or rain and get cancelled again. No, don't say it. We There is going to be a parade and we will be in a I know. I have yet to go to come and ask for the parade. Yes. Nora will come back here very upset if there is if the parade is canled. Please check the weather before you schedule a parade. I've already got my outfit picked out. Yeah. Oh, no. Um, okay. So, let's move on. We have reports from commissioners. So Eliza, we start down on your end. Do you have anything you want to share with everybody? Other than my seedlings for my pollinator garden are very healthy and lovely, so they're surviving. So how about that? And is anybody raising backyard chickens here? Oh my god, I'm doing my darnest to convince my partner that we got to get chicken. Could be selling eggs and making big money. Just got to get one of those. It's a resounding no right now. What about quail? if you mention quail to them like they're like but also there's nothing on North St. Paul's website that says anything about quail. So therefore, I mean, so I don't know. Yeah. I I fought so long for that chicken thing. And I don't know if anybody Former Commissioner Stacy does have backyard chickens. Oh, great. Had some beautiful eggs so far. Great. I know. I really um Okay, Amanda, anything? I have nothing. Carrie? Nope. You sure? No. Laura, nothing for me. Raquel, I'm good. Okay. And I don't have anything either. So, thanks everybody. What a great meeting. And so, we'll go to our report from our uh Oh, you had any Do you have any updates that you'd like to share with everybody? Um, no. Anything going on at the school that we should be There's a play coming up, right? Be coffee house acts. Oh. Uh, I think I forgot, but next Friday. Oh, sorry. Your house. She She's there for you. Oh, really? So, everyone should come. Yeah. He's doing two pieces. Working with the auditions committee. Okay. I ran for secretary of student council. Good. Did not win. No. I would have voted twice if I could. I was going to I was thinking about should I vote for myself and I was like, "Oh, no. I think I'll keep this fair." What if that was one vote that could have pushed you over? I know. That's what I thought about after. But I mean, you can vote for yourself. Yeah. Yes. That's the norm. It's okay. Yeah. best advocate. I mean, next year I'm going to run for president of student council. Hopefully the youngest. I don't know. I'll have to check in with advisors. Like I bet you will be. Um, what is it? Is Peter and the Star Catcher? Is that the name of the show? Yeah. So, there's a play coming up soon at North High, right? I think I saw about I heard tomorrow it opens. It's the prequel to Peter Pan. Is that right? I didn't know that. Did not know that. And I mean, yeah, that's pretty much all I got to say. I lost an election and Oh, sad. Big goals for next year. And I'm not going to lose this time. For the stars. Listen to this guy. Wow. Take a lesson. Take a page out of his notebook. Yeah, we got to get a picture with him, too, for when he's president. Famous and doesn't. You won't forget us, right? No, that's in Okay. 15 right now. 23 years. Okay. 23 years to be president. when I'm gonna be running. Oh, wait. Do you have to be 40? 35 years old. 35 for president. You gonna run for president? Yeah. It's my my life goal is to become president. If I lose the first one, I'll go again. This make sure I You represent votes right here. I mean, I don't want to speak for everyone else. I will try to live long enough to vote for you. I'll be It depends on where you stand on things. I have that feeling good people aligned. How many years did you say? So what? What? 23. 23 years 48. That's what I said. I'm trying to live long enough. In 23 years I'll be 81. A you're going to be such a cute 81. You're going to be there. If I'm 81, it's going to be great. drinking mop water. Be the guy from up. Yeah, right. Oh, and you and can be the little kid with the balloon. Yeah. No, but he'll be 35. We'll be busy. I'm doing take one night off. That's how this whole thing started. All right. Uh Troy, anything you want to tell us? Oh, yes. Um, no. At our LA at the city council meeting last night, um, city council meeting was pretty short, but at the workshop, we had a presentation from the fire department actually was just walking by about code enforcement and all the different codes and, you know, things like that. So, it was very interesting. Good. Yeah. Very interesting how like the amount of code enforcement calls that they get and about and the distribution of what they which code they have to go and you know what are the kinds of codes that they have to look at. Well like parking enforcement uh the fire department does that. Yeah. So if somebody calls about, you know, somebody parking on the street during the winter, fire department goes out and they get the police department involved. But yeah, those code people are part of the fire department, but that's kind of their main thing. Um McKenzie from the fire department. Um but yeah, so that and like uh sidewalk clearing after a snow, things like that. Um the biggest one is trash and yards. That's the biggest The biggest one that you know um we talked about it and the big focus is public safety obviously. Yeah. Stuff in your yard and it's a nuisance or a hazard to public safety or it's you know you blowing leaves into the site into the street or something like that and yeah can block the and Troy. Yeah. There are there's lots of city codes right about what you can and can't do with your property and things like that. But the way we enforce codes in North St. is pretty much based on like if somebody makes a complaint about something then you know so I mean not always but we're not policing 100% on all of the codes we don't go around check everybody's yard to say no no we do not um so it's based off of the public can uh report um via the city website there's a place where you can go on and uh through open gov submit a ticket so to speak um and say, "Hey, you know, I have this complaint." Um, and then the, uh, code enforcement officer, because they are on the fire department, if they go to a place, um, and they know there's, um, they've served a a notice at some place, they'll go by and check and, you know, have they, you know, cleaned up this issue, things like that. Or if they happen to be out driving at a call or something like that, they notice a code enforcement issue, they can report it, too. So, um, city employees, anybody can report a code enforcement issue. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, I don't know a ton about the codes yet. Um, I did find them on the website and am planning to read through them. I'm sure it will be very enlightening. Are you leazison on to the planning? No, you're not. You're on this one. Yes, I am. Yeah. But one of the things that we did talk about last night um was the one of the biggest I don't want to say issues but one big question that has come up is trailer parking um like if you have a utility trailer or things like that it has to be you know we've recently we as a city recently changed our code to say that it could not it has to be on a permanent surface permanent dustless surface um I think is the way the law the code is written um so it can't be it has to be like concrete asphalt or pavers I think is the way pretty much the way it's written right now. Um so we're we've talked about changing that because it's not feasible for you know if you have a trailer or if you need an extra parking spot for three months of the year because you have five cars and you only have a fourc car driveway and you can't park it on the street in the winter. What are you going to how do you handle that? So, um, can you create temporary parking spots using class 5 or one of the other commission or one of the other city council members brought up, uh, regrind, you know, things like that? You know, what is a better solution? What is a better option? Can we update that code to make it a little more feasible for residents? That's cool. You know, I know I said I didn't have anything, but my friend works in u Minnesota Department of Public Health and she did a public health ride along yesterday. So all day on Facebook, she's like, "Okay, I got up and I brushed my teeth and I have fluoride in my water thanks to public health and my kid got off the school bus and she has busing because of what you know, it's just like all these things that you don't you you just don't think about in your day that public health is looking out for like making sure restaurants are reviewed to make sure there's not poop everywhere, you know, or whatever." But wouldn't it be great to do that for the fire department? Like like all of our departments just like 6:45 a.m. it's time for the public works. Yeah. You know, huddle or whatever and just go through the day and all that weird stuff. I didn't know the fire department did that. Yeah. Day in the life. Good idea for Ava. Yep. Day in the life of public works, too. Yeah. There's a lot that they do that people can see all the work that is being done that they're just really unaware of, you know, after you sign off on your property tax and all. Well, what's happening? Yeah. And that would give us a good view of having these little day in the life vignettes to what all your tax money goes toward and city council members, you know, be fascinating. Wow. Thanks for that enlightening update. Yeah, that was I had no idea that happened. Yeah, that what happened that the fire department was doing all of that. I thought they put out fires and Yeah, they just hung out. So, our fire department actually responds to all medical calls, too. Yeah. So if there any call for medical assistance, they also respond to that. So wow, our fire department is very busy for sure. Yep. What the thing they probably do the least is put out fires. Probably. Yeah. Just aren't a lot of fires. No, not really. Well, thank God. I was going to say I'm like, but I think that's part because they're doing prevention work. Yeah. Yeah. They're checking the code to make sure it doesn't get to them. Yeah. And they're, you know, going to they go into people's houses and help them with their, you know, their uh smoke alarms and all that stuff. Y and they're doing uh one of the new I shouldn't say new things, but one of the things that they're going to start doing is uh code enforcement for food stands and things like that, too. Oh. Oh, neat. Okay. Trucks, food stands, you know. Nice. Cool. Anything else? Anybody? Um, can I I forgot one thing I wanted to mention. Um Ava had an idea for um like a blog post or like a city blog post. She was particularly for arts commission and parks commission um kind of as a way to promote the commission's work and kind of engage with the community. So I don't I would ask Ava more for more in-depth detail on like what this idea is, but like you know the murals around North St. Paul or things and such. But yeah, I just wanted to bring that up. So, if you're interested, please contact Ava. Sounds good. Um, uh, just and thanks everybody. Wow, this we got a full house. Everybody's here and there's so much going on. It's really great. It's really impressive and what a group. So, thanks everybody for being here. Um, if there's nothing else, we'll look for a motion to adjourn. Motion. Nice. You make that? You're making that motion, Eliza? I think so. You can say I move that we adjourn the meeting. Move to adjurnn the meeting. Okay. Do we have a second? Second by Laura. All in favor say I. I. Meeting is adjourned at 7:50 p.m. Thanks everybody. I like how