I hereby call to order the Roseville City Council meeting for Monday, May 12th, 2025. Mr. C manager, would you call the role, please? Council member Grath here. Council member Bower here. Council member Strong here. Council member Schroeder here. Mayor Ro here. And with us at the DEIS, we have our city attorney, Rachel Tierney, who's on my right at the end of the day, and uh city manager Pat Trean, who's on my left at the other end. Uh we have other uh guests and staff who will be uh speaking at various portions of the meeting. We'll make those introductions uh at those times. Um want to let folks know if you have a cell phone to make sure and silence it or otherwise assure that it doesn't disrupt the meeting this evening. Uh, and if you are interested in following what uh we're uh talking about this evening, we do have a public copy of the uh materials for tonight's meeting, which is available in a three- ring binder on the back table uh for members of the public. Uh it is a single copy that has to be shared. So, we're going to have to all work together here. Uh but we do have uh individual copies of the agenda available if you'd like your own copy of that also on the back table. With that, we'll ask folks to stand if you're able for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Next on our agenda is approval of tonight's agenda. And as always, I'll check with staff first to see if there are any changes to our brief agenda this evening from a staff perspective. Mr. Mayor, there's no changes to the agenda. All right. Uh likewise, I'll check with city council members to see if there are any changes this evening that council members like would like to request. All right. Uh and then a final quick check. We only have two items on our consent agenda, which is section 10 uh at the end of our agenda. One is the approval of our payments, and the other is uh approving purchases over $10,000. Normally, these are taken up as a single motion uh at the end of the meeting with a limited opportunity for public input. Uh but if somebody is here to ask a question or make a comment about one of those items, uh this would be the time to let us know. Uh and we'll pull that item forward in the meeting for you to not have to stay to the end if you're here uh on one of those items. So, we'll do a quick check. Is anyone here for an item in section 10 of our agenda, otherwise known as the consent agenda? Right. Does not appear to be the case. Uh then with that a motion to approve the agenda as presented would be in order. So move second. All right. It's been moved by council member Schroer, seconded by council member Stron to approve the agenda. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. Opposed? That passes unanimously. We have our agenda for this evening. Uh next on our agenda is our first opportunity for public comment. Uh we will provide opportunity for public comment as agenda items come up on the during the meeting this evening. Uh but we also at the start of each meeting by policy uh do have uh an opportunity for general public comment. This is a chance for people uh to speak on items that uh may relate to city business or are of interest to people in the community but are not on this evening's agenda. If anyone is here to speak uh this evening under general public comment on an item not on tonight's agenda, this would be the chance to let us know and we'll recognize you at this time. Is anyone here for general public comment? All right. does not appear to be the case, then we'll move on with our agenda. Uh our first item under recognitions and donations are our only item under recognitions and donations this evening uh is an introduction of our embedded social workers and I'll recognize uh our police chief Erica Schneider uh to make those introductions uh to the public and in some cases kind of a reintroduction too. So welcome chief and welcome to the social work. What? Good evening, uh, mayor and members of council. Uh, it dawned on me a couple weeks ago when our two social workers were here for another, um, item on the agenda that you guys had not officially or formally met them. So, I wanted to come tonight and just do a quick introduction of our two uh, social workers, Molly Slade and Amber Ruth. Just a little bit background to our embedded social work program started in 2022 and really um, we hit the ground running. we were able to use some ARPA funding and some grants and with a partnership with Ramsey County and People's uh incorporated we were able to get this off the ground and what we really realized is there's such a need for this program and in addition we kind of went to or looked at the next phase and that was having our embedded social workers actually be city employees versus contracted employees. As we've talked about before and you you all know this this um our country has got has a lot of challenges around mental health uh crises and the care that people receive or don't receive. Uh one in five adults experience a mental illness every year and about only half of those receive treatment. And so we're really trying to break that cycle. There is a lot of barriers. I know I've talked to the social workers about them, but we're really trying to do what we can here in Roseville to connect families and to connect individuals with that support. Right now, we expect our uh embedded social workers to have over a hundred referrals every month. And those are coming from all different places. They come from our schools. They're coming from our police department, to the fire department. Sometimes it's just people walking in uh to the police department looking for help. And I can tell you, I've talked to a number of those people and they're so uh they're so relieved when they can actually talk with a social worker versus just a police officer. And just two recent stories I want to quick um to pass along before I introduce them. We had a family that reached out uh to me directly a couple weeks ago and they had a family member who had early onset of dementia and was starting to have really aggressive tendencies. In the past, we kind of just wait and eventually police would probably be called. But because we've got this embedded social work program, we were able to connect the social workers with that family and put some things in place to hopefully hopefully prevent this from ever being a crisis or 911 call. Our social workers are also working on a couple um a vulnerable adult in a group home that continues to wander away. And in the past, we just would keep going out as police take missing person's report, find them. What we found is they've been able to build a relationship with that vulnerable adult and the staff and the family and are now working on solutions. So hopefully those don't become um police calls and also we can have better care for uh that individual. So just some kind of different ways that we're doing things differently um here in Roseville that I'm really proud of. So now the important part actually the introduction. I'm going to start with Molly uh Slade. Uh many of you know her. uh she was a Roseville resident and was formerly on the human rights commission from 2014 to 2017. She was really inspired to get into this work um after after the Philando Castile tragedy and really wanted to be part of meaningful change. And I will tell you in the two years that we've had her embedded, there's some great progress being made on that. Molly brings over 20 years of experience with mental health, including a decade working with individuals with mental illness. She's got a a masters of social work from St. Thomas and has clinical lensure that she obtained in 2022. She's not new as we mentioned. She was previously through a contract with People's um Inc. and we are just really excited that we were able to uh bring her into this new position and have her continue uh the work that she really started. So, super excited about that. And now I'll quick jump to um Amber Ruth. Although Amber Ruth is new to us, she has a long history of um this type of work. She's got over 20 years of community mental health work. She was a former embedded social work with St. Paul's Coast team. So doing a lot of the same work embedded in the uh St. Paul Police Department. She's got program leadership experience, community development, and has spoken at a number of conferences and she also her uh holds certifications in forensic social work, crisis deescalation, and equin assisted learning, which I had to research a little bit about that. Um but she brings just a lot of um community centered uh intervention and uh experience. I just can't say enough how fortunate we are. We had it was a really um uh a really uh competitive process and we were fortunate to get two of the best in the metro area that just have an outstanding uh reputation. So I also want to uh take this time to also thank the council for making this happen. This has been something that we've talked about for a number of years, but to be able to have the support, the financial commitment to really make this a lasting um um lasting positions has really taken all of your support. So, it's kind of fun to see it finally coming. Kind of we made it. Didn't really know when we started where it was going, but without a doubt, the work that they're doing here is just um unbelievable and really impacting members of our community. So, with that, um, if you've got any questions, I'm sure they're willing to to answer any questions or any comments that you might have. Well, thank you so much for for stepping forward to do that work for Roseville and wanting to to serve our community in that way and uh especially uh in the case of Molly with the long connection to the community. We really do appreciate the the continuing uh interest in in helping in that way. and and I I echo or I support the chief's analysis that this is making a big difference in our community for individuals uh and and really is doing what what we hoped it would do and and felt it should do which is to really connect people with resources and allow law enforcement resources to be used for law enforcement purposes. Um and I think that's that we're seeing the fruition of that. And so I really do appreciate the work that you do. Uh we know it's not easy. We know people are just like with law enforcement work, we're we're encountering people oftentimes in in not the best times in their life. Um, and it's just really heartening to know that people are able to be connected with what's going to help them hopefully get to a better place uh in their situation. So, we, you know, once again are just very grateful that uh that you're serving in this way and that we have this to offer our community. So, I wanted to to say that and I'm sure I'll be echoed by other council members, but I wanted to set the bar higher. All right. Well, I guess that's a hard act to follow. Uh, actually a couple things I wanted to say was one, it's very rare that I'm not out in the community that this whole thing doesn't come up. I'm really proud to be able to talk about this program that we have because it's amazing. There's still a lot of people who aren't even aware of it. And so it and then when I talk about it, people are like, "Oh, wow." And so it it just it's a great thing to be able to offer and then to get people to know about it. And the second thing is I do know how hard it is for someone in crisis particularly to figure out how to navigate the systems to get help because everything is very disjointed and trying to figure it out and to have people to help navigate even if you don't have a crisis trying to navigate is very very difficult. And so I wanted to say I really appreciate the hard work you're doing and I do know that it's all about building the relationships too. this isn't just you go in for five minutes and then move on. And this is something that you have to continually do. And I also know talking to the um chief and others that some of our um you know, I think you just mentioned a few of them, the repeat people coming through those um being able to reach out and and work with them and help them um find the help they need and then feel safe in our communities. So, I echo what the mayor said and just want to say thank you and welcome and and it's exciting. So, thanks, Council Member Strong. Thank you. And I um what I love about Molly is that every time you see her, she's Yeah, she's just so excited to be here. It's really appreciated that um it's probably kind of a rare attribute in the police department to see someone. Um I just really appreciate the proactive approach. It's not uncommon that people reach out and say, "You know what? We really need in Roseville." And it's really nice to be able to say, "We actually have that and more." And so, I appreciate you joining um uh Sean Johnson, Carrie McCull, and part of that CAT team and all the work that they do there because it is really invaluable and it sets us apart as a community and it's definitely a source of pride that hey, we continue to have this thing that really takes care of people. And again, I just really appre appreciate the proactive approach. I worked at a nursing home, so you know, I know that a lot of times it took a lot till they got to that point. And so, it's really helpful to know um but not just seniors, but other folks in the community, children in the schools and other things that you bring. And so, we are very honored to have such um talent. And maybe we're going to have to have that a horse come and tell us more about learning. I was just looking I'm curious about the 2026 budget. Yeah, the horse. That's right. Uh, council member Grath, I'm not going to repeat all I totally agree with all those comments, of course, and of course, Molly, you've done such great work for the city, and I'm sure you will be too, Amber. But what I've noticed is when I'm on other uh boards or where there are other council members from other cities, they're going like, "How do you do that in Roseville? You're" And they're so jealous of this system that we have in place. And they're also trying to figure out how to get it into their their cities and reproduce that. And I noticed that when Representative Fininky was here and spoke with you and the CAT team and I came and sat in how excited she was about it and saying we've got to get this to other places, too, because this program should be around the whole metro area. So, so thanks for all your work. It's it's really encouraging. and council member Bower. Uh echo what my fellow council members have stated. Also very excited to have you join and hopefully uh this will be the first of many visits. Looking forward to getting feedback as well of how we can make this great program as we noted even better. Um you know the challenges, problems that we have are not static. They change over time. The needs change over time. The dynamic is there. So encourage you to bring that forward to us and see if we can continue to improve at this uh program. All right. any any final words from uh the the folks who are introduced this evening just to uh to maybe start the feedback process to ask um I just I I just had two thoughts because I of course I do but one what I love best is the stories that you don't hear about you know things that we're able to step in that won't become headline news and I just keep thinking about that resonates with me because what one of the things I love about this is that we can be proactive and we see it coming and if you know not always but to be able to before it even becomes a story and no one knows and we're like ninjas going out and hopefully helping out and once again like I have been involved with the city and to watch this come to fruition is I I don't know if I would do it for any other department. It's just it's an amazing department from the top down. It is not box checking and I just I appreciate that. All right. I just want to say thank you for having me and I'm excited to be part of this journey. Wonderful. Well, thank you again and uh now now back to work. I'll go start working on that uh Thank you. Thanks. All right. Well, with that, we we I guess we we got to do our business now this evening. So, we'll switch gears a little bit here. Um and uh speaking of budgets, our first item under our business items this evening is to receive our uh 2024 audit. Um and we've got our finance director, Michelle Petri, with us as well as our representative from Red Path, uh Rebecca Peterson, who uh was involved in the audit process and is here to present this evening. So, I know I've made those introductions now, but I'll turn it over to Miss Petri to repeat that. Well, you took my thunder. Sorry. Um, we're required to have an audit by statute and we choose to have an audit because we also submit our annual fi comprehensive financial report to the government finance officers association and we have continued to receive the certificate of excellence in financial reporting. So, with that, I will turn it over to Rebecca Peterson, managing director for Red Path to explain the audit results and answer any questions you might have. Well, thank you for having me here this evening. Um, I'm going to go through a summary of the reports that we issue in conjunction with the audit. If you've read the reports in the past, you know that they are full of templated standard language. And so, I'm going to try and draw out just the key points that you need to know. The first report that we issue in conjunction with the audit is the opinion on the financial statements. And this is the primary purpose of an audit. It's the reason that you as city council hire us. Um, and it's to review or audit the financial statements that city staff prepare and provide our opinion on the fair presentation of those statements. It would be cost and time prohibitive if we looked at every single transaction that the city entered into. So we look at them at a on a sample basis sufficient enough to provide an opinion on the statements. Our opinion this year is a clean unmodified opinion that the financial statements are fairly presented in all material respects. Not that they're exact to the dollar, just that they're fairly presented. It's the highest level of assurance we can provide. Um and in short, it's the result you want from your audit. Um, and here is the certificate of achievement that the city received last year on your 2023 financial statements. Um, and the 2024 statements will be submitted to the certificate program as well, and we believe you'll receive the award for those. The next report we issue in conjunction with the audit is a report on internal controls. As part of the audit, we don't audit the city's internal controls, but we gain an understanding of the processes and procedures that are in place. And if anything comes to our attention that we think warrants your attention as governance or there's anything that we're required to report to you, it would be reported in this report. This year, there's one finding reported for audit adjustments. This is the type of finding that auditing standards obligate us to report. Anytime that during the audit process an adjustment to the city's books is identified that crosses our materiality threshold, we have to report it as a finding. It's extremely common finding for cities to receive and this year there was only one audit adjustment that crossed the threshold for reporting. Um and it was it was related to some loans receivable that the city's obligated to collect but weren't currently reflected on the city's books. It was not the city's source money. Um it was from a different governmental agency that the city is simply responsible for collecting. Um so the financial statements were adjusted for that and that was the only audit adjustment of significance this year. The next report that we issue in conjunction with the audit is a report on Minnesota legal compliance. The office of the state auditor asks us as auditors during the course of our audit to look at certain legal requirements. Um they have a series um of seven areas that they like us to look at. And I always qualify that with we are not attorneys, we're accountants. And so we're looking at this from an accounting perspective. We're looking at things like does the city have sufficient collateral for your cash deposits? Are you investing city funds in investments that are allowable by state statute? We look at conflicts of interest, bid laws, those types of things. This year, there were no instances of non-compliance that came to our attention that warranted reporting in um the report. So, no findings this year, which again is the result you want. The next report that we issued in conjunction with the audit this year is a report on federal program compliance. Anytime the city spends more than $750,000 of federal funds, you're obligated to get a federal compliance audit. And so this doesn't happen every year, but with recent COVID funding, you've had one for several years in a row. Um this year, because of the ARPA funding, um you were required to have the audit. We audited um for compliance with the program requirements that the federal government asks us to and there were no reportable instances of non-compliance and no question costs identified during our audit. So again, that is the result you would hope for. The final report that we issue in conjunction with the audit is a communication to those charged with government governance. It's a several page letter um again full of standard language. Um and I've just called out a couple of key points here. One of the items that we're required to communicate with you is any changes in accounting standards. There are new Gazsby standards that the city's obligated to follow every single year. Um, this year there is a new standard on compensated absences. The city considered it and implemented it, but it didn't really have any significant impact on the city's financial statements. I always like to remind you that there are estimates within the financial statements. If you look at statement one to your financial statements, you'll see some large liabilities on there um both for net pension liability and OPE. OPE stands for other postemployment benefits. These are actuarily determined liabilities that just represent the present value of future costs that the city may be subject to. They are not liabilities that you're going to have to pay next week, next month, next year. Um they're just representative of future items that are out there. If we had any disagreements with management during the course of our audit, we would likely be communicating with you before now. Um but it's one of the pieces that we're required to communicate in this letter. So, I'm pleased to report no disagreements with management during the course of the audit. No difficulties encountered during the course of the audit. Um, and I do want to say, you know, with some recent staff turnover in finance, the ability of the finance team to get the audit done on time and on schedule um was greatly appreciated by us, but also impressive that um that was able to happen. Um, no other significant matters came to our attention during the course of the audit, but if they had, we would be communicating them in this letter. Um, next up I have some high-level summary financial information. First up is some summary information about the city's governmental funds. As a reminder, or if you're not familiar, the city has two types of funds. There's the business type funds that are generally intended to be self-supporting, and there's the governmental funds that use grants and property tax revenues to sust sustain themselves. by fund type. I have a schedule here of the revenues, the inflows, the expenditures and other outflows, transfers between funds, um, and ultimately the change in fund balance. You'll see the type of fund that had the most significant change this year is down at the bottom. The capital project funds one column over from the left, you'll see that fund balance changed about $2.4 million. That's really coming from two different sources. Um there was some public safety aid that was transferred into a capital fund to fund some capital purchases and also there was some tiff revenue coming into one of the um increment funds to that um exists now but will be paid out to developers in the near future. So you'll see an increase of $2.4 million in fund balance but I just want to point out that those funds are committed and restricted for specific purposes. Um, next up I have a summary of the general fund fund balance and you can see there were um variances throughout you know expenditures and transfers but at the end of the day the net change in fund balance for your general fund was $120,000 um reduction compared to a budgeted $114,000 reduction and it's hard to get much closer to that on budget. Um so overall positive results in the general fund just to add to that. Yeah. um that is the general fund only in the audit report. There's the general fund which is the general fund plus three or four other funds that get combined. So that chart is just for the city's general fund. Then next up u I just have a comparison of the city's general fund fund balance especially as you head into the 26 budget cycle. This is important to be aware of. The city needs to maintain reserves to fund future operations to fund cash flow. Your property tax payments come in twice a year and you need to have enough cushion to get yourself to the next payment. Um need to have enough cash on hand to fund unexpected expenses. And so the city has a fund balance policy that you're going to target to maintain between 35% and 50% of the next year's expenditures within fund balance. This year after year-end closing entries were made, you're at about 38.4% which is at the low end with of your policy but still within a healthy range. Um, and finally for government funds, I just have a trend showing the types of revenues that are funding your operations in governmental funds. You see that big blue bar at the bottom, that chunk, that is property taxes and assessments. So that is the most significant funding source for your um governmental funds. And then you've got some charges for services and intergovernmental revenue making up the majority of the rest of the difference. And then miscellaneous fees, licenses, and permits and whatnot are making up the rest. But most significantly, your property taxes, charges for services, and intergovernmental revenues are what are funding your governmental operations. Next, I have some trends for your business type funds. First up, we have water fund operations. And this is looking at operating expenses and operating revenue. So, if you look at that bluish bar, that's the expenses for your fund. And the dark red line is your operating revenue. within your business type funds, particularly your utility funds, you really want to make sure that that operating revenue is covering your operating expenses with a gap. Um, you know, capital for your utilities is quite expensive. And so, you need that gap between operating revenues and expenses to save for future capital acquisitions. If you look back at 2122, your operating revenue was not quite covering your operating expenses, but I think there's been some utility rate studies and other work done to try and build that gap. Um, and then I wanted to point out water fund cash flows. The water fund has struggled for a couple years maintaining cash balances. This year there was a cash transfer into the fund to help with the refund of some of those deposits payable, which I know the council worked through. And if you look at this table, lower right hand number, cash balances at the end of 2024 were over $2 million. And that's the healthiest that the fund has been in a number of years. So, it's moving in the right direction um with some positive cash flow. Next up, I have the sewer utility fund. And you can see here that gap between your operating revenues and expenses over time is much healthier than the water has been. It maintains that gap for future capital needs. Next up is storm drainage operations. Um, and this one tends to fluctuate. Um, I know that there was a utility rate study done that impacted the rates in here to try and build some cash reserves. And you can see that operating revenue is trending up. My understanding is it's something that's going to be looked at during the 2026 budget cycle um to make sure that your fees are at the right level here. Next up, I have golf course operations. You'll see two different shades of blue here. The reason for that is that darker blue represents true operating expenses within the fund. The lighter blue reflects depreciation, the you know book expense of having capital assets. And I called it out separately because that operating revenue is in some years struggling to cover operating expenses. Recreation funds are notoriously hard to maintain themselves. Um oftentimes when capital uh needs exist, transfers in are required. But I will mention that part of the 2024 operating expenses is some actuarial adjustments from those um actuarily determined liabilities I mentioned earlier. They are impacting the expense number there a little bit but um still operating revenue not quite covering expenses. And finally solid waste recycling. This is one that you can see the expenses tend to move a little bit over time just depending on the timing of services and whatnot. But if you imagine a trend line of your expenses over the years, your operating revenue um is covering expenses generally. You'll see there's two lines there. The red is true operating revenue and then that blue line includes grants. The city has a annual grant that helps cover some of the expenses within the fund. So over time covering expenses and that's all I have pre-prepared for you today, but happy to answer any questions if there are any. All right. Thank you uh for the presentation and of course all the work behind the scenes in the auditing process. Uh we'll open it up for council questions. Council member Sher, they always tease me because finance is my background. So they teased me about this. Um just a couple of questions because um a lot of my questions um the finance director was um very helpful in answering a number of things before the meeting. Um so just um talking about the internal controls, do you look at um things like new vendor processes? So as we know um new vendor is one area where scams and fraud can happen. So do you actually get to that level of looking at those kind of processes? We do um review of controls over vendors on a cyclical basis. And so we have different things that we look at every year. You know one year we might look at this component of the process, next year we look at this component of the process. But conversations around that is something we emphasize heavily during both our audit planning meetings and our off-cycle meetings when we meet with the city staff year round because as you indicate that is a significant risk um to local governments especially because so much information is available right on your website and in your board packets and the best defense against that is awareness um and continually reminding staff how important it is to question things and be aware. So, um, we do look at it during the course of our audit, but it's also something that we talk about year round with city staff. And then, um, how many do the field work from your from your organization? Um, we, let's see, this year, yeah, this year I think we had four staff on site. We do a hybrid approach where we do some audit work actually out at the city and then we do some from our offices just depending on what's most efficient for what we're working on. But it's generally myself as the audit signer and then there will be a manager, a senior and one or two staff on the audit. So then does one of the partners um review it before it gets finalized or are you the the last? Yeah, my title is managing director but I have signing authority over that I wasn't clear on that one. So thank you on that. And then how many years has has um Red Path been doing the audit? Oh, we just started a second contract. So, I want to say four because they're threeyear contracts, I believe. Threeear contracts. Yeah. So, this would be fourth year. I think it's more than four years. I actually do not know. In full transparency, um we Roseville when they first came to Red Path as a client, um Dave Maul was the engagement partner and he has since retired and I've moved on to the engagement, which is why I don't have that institutional history of how many years, but I I want to say somewhere around six would be my best guess. Yeah, Mr. Tre and I don't know the exact number, but I I know first of all, we have a policy for professional services every three years. Um, but I know we purposely look to go to different auditors over a period of time. We have another set of eyes looking and I think this is maybe Red Path's second or third cycle here since I've been with the city over the years. So, so that's something we always want to look at to make sure we have different sets of Yeah, we we actually did do the RFP since I've been here and I've been here five and a half years and so they're in their second round of it was a three-year plus an extension of three. Um so less than six, more than three. Okay. And then um this is I know the our finance uh um chair is sitting in the back there and so my question is you're when are you going to be presenting to the finance commission and is that presentation different from this one? Tomorrow. Um and we will use the PowerPoint from tonight as the basis for that conversation. We just tend to get into a little more detailed questions during that meeting. Okay. because yeah, I uh um I'm sure they they probably appreciate the detail a little bit um getting into the granle than than uh at this level does. So, I appreciate that. Um but and then some of my other questions you actually answered. So, thank you for uh actually um present presenting it and I'm looking forward to see what the finance commission has to say too. All right, other questions. Uh council member Ba. Thank you. Thank you for the report. I was wondering if you could expand a little bit more on the sampling that you noted about to test some of these counts to ensure the numbers you received are valid numbers. So, we use a variety of sampling techniques. Um, when we do the federal compliance audit, the federal government has specific sample sizes that they like us to use and so we follow specifically those sample sizes and the sample size will vary depending on the population that we're testing. Um, general rule of thumb for small items is we might look at 10% of the transactions. For larger populations, we might look at 25, 40, 60 just depending on the risk involved in the area and the population that we're looking at. During the financial audit, it's similar sampling guidance, but we have a little bit more um freedom within our testing to really look at the risks involved in the areas we're testing. And we use larger sample sizes for transactions in riskier areas and smaller sample sizes for transactions in less risky areas. And so it's hard for me to tell you exactly the size of the samples we look at, but we follow the AICPA guidance. Um, and 10% is a general rule of thumb for small populations if you're looking for perspective on numbers. And this is across all accounts or a selection of accounts um or funds or funds. We audit um the trying to think how I want to explain this. We look at the funds as a whole. So when we're auditing, you know, let's say we're auditing cash, we will look at cash spread across the city as a whole, but the materiality for different funds is different. And so we will use a materiality threshold appropriate to what we're testing. So for example, if there is special assessment revenue in one fund that has a low materiality, we will use a low materiality when um testing special assessment revenue. If there is a type of transaction that's only in the general fund and the general fund has a higher materiality, we'll use materiality appropriate to that fund. So the materiality scales a little bit depending on what fund we're looking at. Um but we do look at transactions across the city as a whole, not funds individually. Thank you. And just to clarify one point, when you talk about a population, you're talking about a number of transactions. Exactly. Yes. Yes. Not unless we're looking at utilities then maybe. Right. Right. Council member Grath, thank you for the report. And as I was mentioning earlier to uh I I read several of these every year for different organizations I'm on the board for. So, a lot of the language is very familiar. But I think the thing residents want to know is, of course, that it's audited and that it's by a reputable company. and they don't really go into the details that we do reading all of these things, but they like to know that part. The thing that's really helpful for me is that this helps us early in the budgeting process so we can look at things and see where the gaps are and where where we might be looking forward to the next budget and making some adjustments and that helps us with our planning. So, so thank you. Yeah. And just to add to that, I think it also helps sometimes with our policy adjustments uh based on what we're hearing and as feedback in the audit process. Um so that's that's a helpful part of this as well. And I did want to just go back to the question about the the contract and the term. Uh I I I think under for the members of the public, I think our policy is generally a three-year term for professional services contract. There is an option typically at that point to look at sort of extending or continuing. And it's sort of it's it's an opportunity for to look at how the performance was and and then uh typically if if things look good, the city manager may recommend going ahead with another three-year term depending on the specific legal part of the agreement. Um but then our policy, you know, tends to want us to after two three-year terms look again at that RP process. Sometimes things are more um frequently done that way. Just depends on the service that's being provided to the city and the history of that particular service. But that just provides the members of the public sort of a general idea of what we're talking about when we're talking about these professional services. Not necessarily specific to auditing, but more broadly uh just maybe to help folks understand that. And anything I said wrong, Miss Petra? Well, actually the purchasing policy that was approved has the automatic first three-year automatic extension to three years if satisfactory performance um that you approved a few years ago. Okay. And I I could be referring back to older policy language from from back in the days, you know, when I first started here. But the other thing when we because I've been in this business long enough that I know when you switch audit firms, you really spend the first two years um with the audit firm having to spend more time, more hours to get familiar with the city's policies and procedures. And so generally speaking, six years is when you get the best um return on your investment, so to speak. Got it. Thank you. Uh council member Bower, one other comment uh noting you mentioned this will be given to the finance commission, I believe, later this week or tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yes. Um I encourage you to go uh you know, feel free to continue the presentation or go deeper. uh we definitely look to the finance commission to dig into these uh this audit and provide uh feedback to us and we'll be able to act on that and we'll use that. So definitely encourage you to go longer or deeper into this as we will be looking to them to get more information to us and sometimes their questions get deeper, don't they? I guess. Yes. All right. Well, thank you again. I believe do we have to take an action to accept the uh public comment? Yes. Oh, you're right. I apologize. I was just double checking what the action was required. We do need to accept the 2024 report uh financial reports. But let's do a check to see if there is anyone from the public that wishes to speak at this time uh regarding our audit. All right. And certainly we make all this information available. Our financial reports are available to the public on the city's website going back many years. Um as well as budgets. And so there's lots of opportunities to check our our finances for members of the public who are interested in particular areas and I know uh Miss Petri and her staff are more than happy to answer questions uh as the public has them about the city's operations as well and we appreciate that. So thanks again. Uh if there's no other if there's no uh one from the public who wishes to speak. Uh we do have the request uh for a motion to accept the 2024 city uh financial reports. So moved. Second. All right. It's been moved by council member Schroeder, seconded by council member Grath. Uh discussion on the motion as the maker of the motion, council member Schroeder. Right. As the second council member Grath, other discussion on the motion. Uh hearing none, we've got the motion before us to accept those 2024 financial reports. All those in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. That passes unanimously and those reports are accepted. Thank you again. Thank you. All right. That brings us to our second uh item this evening on uh business items. uh and that is uh to consider a conditional use request associated with um a apartment development being proposed on um off of Snelling north of County Road C. We'll say that and we can get into more specifics. Um and with us this evening, we have our senior planner Brian Lloyd with us to introduce this to the council for our consideration um uh after uh following up on the uh hearing at the planning commission earlier. Uh Mr. Lloyd, welcome. Thank you. As you mentioned, this is an application for conditional use approval. Uh, and we'll get into the the sort of details of that in a moment. Uh, the location here is 2940 um Snowelling Avenue between uh County Roadard C2 and Lydia there on the east side of Snowelling. And the proposal generally is to redevelop this site which has been a medical office building um for I mean the the structure itself is some 50 odd years old um and it's in a stretch along um Snelling Avenue there that uh has over the years been guided and zoned for multif family uses mostly. Um, and many of the properties along this stretch of of Snowelling Avenue have indeed been uh developed as apartments uh in that time. And the the highdensity district that uh that regulates this property in the zoning code allows for a standard density limit of up to 24 dwelling units per acre and allows applicants to seek approval of uh up to 36 units an acre under this conditional use review and approval process. Uh the proposal here is essentially just to to get two extra dwellings above what the standard limit would allow here. So um from uh I believe it's 16 units that they could get under the 24 units an acre density. Uh they're seeking approval for what would be mathematically 28 units per acre um or 18 total units there. Um as was mentioned the public hearing was held by the planning commission. It was unusually long ago uh with respect to when the city council meeting is. That was back in early March. Um but um there was a lot of discussion at the public hearing uh about the other apartment properties um you know, especially further south that are now um or that that have been acquired by the owner of this property and have been um kind of incrementally updated and improved and invested in. Um, and the property owner was unavailable to be at that public hearing, but we scheduled the city council's review this evening in case there were further conversations uh about those other properties that uh council or the public wanted to engage in and the property owner would be here for that for those conversations. Um, beyond that, I would uh really just end what is a pretty cursory presentation with our recommendation and the planning commission's recommendation to approve the conditional use request um allowing that 28 unit per acre density with the one condition of adding a a pathway easement um along the the western side of the property there. five foot easement for the future construction of a path at some point when more easement can be acquired along there. This seems to be a pretty common street for um particularly students over at Northwestern to park along and then walk over to school rather than parking on campus. So the the pathway easement would be uh adding, you know, a pedestrian facility along a street where there isn't presently one. So that kind of explains the the condition that we're recommending. And aside from that, I can end the presentation and see if there are questions that I can answer for you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Lloyd. Questions from the council. Council member Strong. Thank you. Um on the very bottom, it indicates an existing two-way traffic at the property line. Is that um specifically for these um apartment dwellings or is is that a public road? when I look at the uh prior map, I see I don't see it extending into the other residential. So that's that two-way aisle that you noted is essentially the parking uh ingress and egress that has been built for the apartment to the south which is owned by this same owner applying for this approval. And the zoning code allows for adjacent properties to share parking facilities to be able to, you know, use circulation and even share stalls. um across properties uh you know if there's enough stalls uh and access for both of those properties or all of those properties to take advantage of. Um and so the the proposed apartment um you know has a main parking lot ingress on the north side of the site and cars can come around and uh you know can either circle back and park in here or uh use some stalls that will be available um you know shared stalls further south you know not on this plan any longer and then being able to exit um back to Snelling along the south side Yeah. So, that's not the only in-n-out space is in that two-way. Well, there's the in here, but um is that the that's not the only way out? It's the only vehicle exit for the property. I got a bigger one there. Is there maybe a further exit further south on the second southern property? Yeah. And that um that may be true. And it's not showing on on even the sort of larger um larger view here, but um right uh it the the single uh the single egress, you know, that shows up on the the sort of main site plan that's with the packet this evening uh isn't an issue for staff. You know, the the zoning code in the parking regulation certainly allows for one-way drive aisles with angled parking stalls, which would typically lead to one way in and one way out of a parking lot. Yeah, I think the part how many um homes how many apartments are in the southern uh section of the dwellings? That would be the complete the rest of Lydia Rose. Um I I'm not sure how many dwellings are I just wondering about those parking spots that are um abuing the building and they're at a 90 degree. Just wondering about the safety of those going out into that two-way traffic if that's the only um egress and ingress and to the main traffic there. if all the residents in that area are coming and going from that and someone is attempting to back up in that area, just wanting to make sure that that's a safe place to have a handicap spot, an EV spot, you know, places um you know, someone in handicap that might be the only place. Is that a safe place for them to be if their vehicle is, you know, more difficult to see around and things like that? The same sort of parking that's on the south side of that two-way is straight, you know. Yes. and the the drive aisles and parking lot dimensions generally would conform to the standards of the zoning code. Could you go back to that other one? Because I think it was my question was that it's on the property line. It abuts the property line. There we go. So, yeah, just there um that right up to the the parking goes all the way right up to the property line. Yes. Yes. And that those are at a 90 degree angle to those are. Yeah. And so if you know 200 cars are coming and going only from there, is that the safest way that those should those be also at a at a 45 degree angle? Obviously you would have less parking there, but maybe that would be e may be safer for someone to um exit from that spot. I'm just making sure that that is considered if that's the only way that people can get back out to East Nelling Drive. It it may be the most convenient egress back out to Snelling, but the the parking lot dimensions for the 90° stalls here would be the same as, you know, is standard in every other parking lot that might be busy and have ADA stalls and and EV charging places, uh, you know, and lots of traffic at times. So, I suppose there's always some risk in driving around a parking lot, but the the implementation here would be, you know, up to the same standards as as elsewhere. And then just one other question. Do does any of this redevelopment of this, if we were to approve it, um trigger uh EV um redevelopment in the rest of the complex? No, not in the the rest of the complex. uh conceivably uh at some point when the parking lot, you know, the when the surface parking areas of the other apartment buildings are substantially redeveloped, uh then our EV requirements for those properties would kick in. But and EV requirements would certainly apply to the proposed department here and you know within the the property um or you know within the the sort of stalls uh that are um both in the property and being shared you know there's a couple of shared stalls that are kind of acrewing to this property as well and you know in that required number of stalls there is a minimum number of EV parking requirements that that coincide with that they will be implemented here and others would be implemented, you know, when um when those sort of thresholds are crossed for those properties. Yeah, I guess I do have one more other question. So, um is I don't know if there's been any consideration to anything other than just surface parking. I know our recent other market development had underground parking. Does this impact the permeable surfaces um aotment that this building would have by having that much surface parking? Uh the site as it's shown on the plan here uh does conform to the I think it's a 75% coverage limit uh in this district. Um and there is no underground parking that is the topic of significant conversation at the public hearing. Um you know there was uh members of the planning commission that that encouraged uh the exploration the further exploration of underground parking. That is something that the site designer uh evaluated as a possibility and you know the small size of the building and limited sort of approach distance um made it in you know unfeasible impractical to to implement that here. Do you know what the expected um square footage of these two-bedroom units is? Uh on the plan here it indicates they're about 1,000 ft,36. Thank you. Other questions from the council? Council member Grath, just a comment. I read in the notes that there would be screening or there is screening for headlights. Um there there is probably today as a function of the existing apartment building that's been there. Um but you know, as the site is redeveloped, yes, there are screening requirements particularly as it pertains to uh you know, what would be the eastern side of the site facing um the lower density residential uses behind there. Thank you. Council member Bower. So reclassifying this, could you state once again what the maximum number of units could be on this particular parcel under the standard density limit in the highdensity district? Uh the maximum is 24 units per acre. The conditional use approval process that we're engaged in now can allow up to 36 units per acre and they're seeking 28 units per acre. And the the parcel size of this parcel size is about 2/3 of an acre. I think. Thank you. And uh I saw there's a note here from Miss Lowry noting a city rightway permit is acquired. Is that still necessary? I mean in the future and if so roughly where what is that for? That's generally going to be for work that's done on the utility services and you know the parking lot access. Um, you know, having an agreement for, you know, uh, cutting into curb lines, restoring curbs, um, making sure that, uh, that roadways are, um, you know, after the disruption is over from construction that they are kind of restored to standard conditions. Okay. So, there's no the standard permit that we would like to be normal. Yes. Yeah. That's a standard comment from the city engineer. No. All right. Um, council member Sher, do you have a question? Right. Council member Strong. I was just curious if um, Community Development Director Gunlock or Mr. Lloyd could speak to. We had in our housing study, we had said how many uh, two-bedroom uh, multi- multif family units we were short. I don't know maybe that's a you know where because there I know that two-bedroom multif family units have been something that we've been a bit undersized on and just wondering how many we are short and if this obviously this would help to contribute to any shortage that we may have identified. Um I don't know the exact numbers particularly with respect to twobedrooms but certainly um you know the uh both the existing housing needs assessment from several years ago and the the current update uh you know both would indicate that there is market capacity for these units and more and the units that have been coming online um you know in recent years have been uh have been leased up fairly quickly. So it seems like that the demand really is there and it's not just a function of of you know estimates in a study. Another question. Absolutely. That's what we're here for. Um I this is maybe more for the for the um owners of the building. But um how would the pricing of this particular um apartment be if this is looking at market rate? I don't know that those other buildings are currently at market rate and is it going to substantially change the rental rates of the other buildings that are adjacent to this? And we can follow up with the opportunity. It would have to be for them. Thank you for the applicant to speak. I did have a a question a couple of questions. Um are there currently any other pathway easements existing along that stretch of the service drive? I don't believe there is. This would be kind of the first the first and obviously it's 5T. Um the point there is not that we use five feet to make a pathway, but we need the additional width as opposed to the existing rightway. Right. Right. Thank you. Uh and then second on the I'm trying to remember on shared parking, is that a private agreement between um properties, is there anything that's filed with the property, say at the county or anything like that, when there's a shared parking agreement? I'm just thinking because a lot of times people use that as a means to meet parking requirements and I'm just wondering if you know if the agreement goes away if people you know can't obviously these it's the same owner so it helps uh hopefully they can can stay in in agreement with themselves but um you know going down the road if there's if there's a change in in that situation how how does that impact when we're trying to make sure that we've got adequate parking I don't remember what our zoning code says as required documentation but certainly you know these shared parking agreements are are easements formerally speaking, which would have specific, you know, areas uh of a site uh that, you know, the users of one property are allowed to sort of access on the other, how many stalls perhaps uh are part of that shared agreement. And I would expect that to be part of an easement that is reported at the county. Okay. Whether or not the zoning code specifies something like that as a requirement, right? Yeah. And I wasn't sure that we specified it, but I was trying to remember how that was accounted for. So, I appreciate that. Um it does appear that the the building to the south does I think have under underground parking if I look at the aerial photograph, unless that's just an area that has access for trash pickup or something. But anyway, I believe that's right. Kind of a mood point. Um, all right. I do want to provide an opportunity if a representative of the applicant wants to speak to any of the questions that have been asked this evening or has anything else to say in support of their application, this would be an opportunity uh at your option to do that. All right. Do you have any additional information as to how that might affect the market uh market rate rents of other buildings? Why don't you come up? And we just ask you to introduce yourself as you start your comments. I'm Dennis Hmel, the uh owner, our primary owner. And my son back there is also part owner. Have a seat. Make yourself. This is Kathy Kenny. She's our property manager and she can address the rental issue because she is pretty much involved with that. So the entire community that we have is market rate. Um so it would be just a little bit elevated. There's such a demand now for two bed, two baths. We have two bed, one bath, and especially with the colleges so close by, we thought it would really provide some very needed housing to service that. Um and as far as the parking goes, there is an underground parking garage right next door. Um that certainly can very easily be utilized by this building. and that back area where it goes to the right behind the building behind the middle building which is our longest building. They can go straight out and they can go out at the very end or they can turn right at the edge of that building between the buildings and go out. So there's more than one option for them to to get out. I believe there's a curb where that property line is. Right. So they the people from that threetory building can't well they could drive across the curb. I suppose if they wanted to to but otherwise they will be going out within that property. Sure. I'm pretty sure there is. And when you talk about the uh the continuing on, you're talking about continuing to the south towards C2, I believe, behind the buildings. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I did notice that. So, they can go behind that. And our clubhouse is almost to the end and the entrance to it is actually that way. So, people could go either way. So on on just the currently available aerial photography, it appears that the next exit to the south is all the way to the south of the southernmost building in area C2. Yeah. And it's also interesting to note that so far, even though we're 97% occupied with 63 apartments at at these three buildings, only 40% of the underground parking is being utilized. So it'd be easy to try to keep those full by utilizing the tenants who want underground parking, but just, you know, give them you just have to figure out an under underground connection between the buildings. Maybe a clicker to open the door or umbrella or an umbrella to carry. There you go. All right. Other Does council have any other questions for the applicant while they're at Right. Anything else that you wanted to say in support of your application while we've got you here? Is there an architect right here? Okay. Um, no. Um, other than that we meet all the other criteria for design for it. And yes, we're just asking for a slight increase in density because we can accommodate that. Um, and then yes, the the exit here also extends around that building as well, right? Okay. Oh, yeah. If you could just say your name. Oh, I'm Matt Bober. Okay, got it. Thank you. And there is parking down here also. Like I said, the clubhouse is back here, so there'll be some traffic that would be going there anyway. Got it. All right. Well, thank you for being here this evening. And uh I know we rescheduled or scheduled out a little bit to accommodate everybody being able to be here to answer questions. So, we do appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. All right. We'll double check if there is anyone from the public who wishes to speak to this item this evening. We do want to avail folks of that opportunity. We do have a fairly sparse crowd here this evening. So, uh, it doesn't appear that there is anyone from the public who wishes to speak to this item. Um, Mr. Lloyd, if you want to come back up in case there are any, uh, any, uh, questions that we, uh, come up with here at the last moment. Uh, but otherwise, we have the request before us to adopt the resolution, which is the attachment, uh, C or three, uh, in the packet here, uh, which would uh, approve the conditional use uh, with the conditioned regarding the uh, pathway easement on the west side. So moved. Second. All right. It's been moved by council member Schroeder, seconded by council member Bowerer uh to approve that resolution approving the conditional use as outlined uh with the condition as noted uh council member Schroeder as the maker of the motion. Uh to the motion. I also wanted to say that the um planning commission looked at this and and I read the minutes and they looked like they had a thorough conversation about a number of things. So um and that they voted on it and so I feel comfortable supporting it. All right. uh and as the secondary council member Bahar. Yes, I did watch the video of uh the planning commission and we'll support that as well that they was a very good discussion and definitely impacted uh good good discussion and definitely uh discussed many different areas and aspects I thought were important. Great. Other discussion on the motion council member Grath? Um I just think this will be an addition that is needed in our housing in Roseville. I mean, as she mentioned, the two bath, two bedroom layout is very popular and much in demand with rental. And I realize this is market rental, but we've been doing a variety of different types of affordability. So, I think this fills another gap that we need. All right. Other discussion on the motion, council member Strong? I think that as long as the um it looks like it's clearly outlined in what was passed by the planning commission that the expectations on screening and landscaping to um serve as buffers for the neighborhood are maintained and upheld that I think that it would be less of an impact on those um adjacent to the area possibly providing more uh screening from Snelling Avenue now than they have now. Um if there's no other discussion, I would just add that um um I agree with uh much of what has been said and certainly with the support from the the planning commission. Um I think we've got very robust standards as to screening and and that sort of thing and actually it will be an improvement on what's there now. Uh so that'll be helpful. Um and I do want to recognize and note uh some of the comment from the testifiers at the planning commission in regards to certain uh maintenance issues etc with the existing properties that are not part of this consideration. Uh uh two things about that. One is that I think the council is probably rightly limited in how much if at all we can really take that into account as part of our consideration of an approval of an application with respect to this property. But at the same time, I think both at that hearing as well as so we can repeat it now. Uh we do encourage the owner to work with the city staff uh on any issues that have been identified and make sure that we do uh have uh those come into compliance because that's important for the neighborhood. Uh and I think and I think it would be of benefit to uh the property owner as well certainly uh in the long run. Uh and with that uh I will be supportive as well of this resolution. Uh with that we've got the motion before us to approve the resolution uh approving this conditional use as outlined. There's no further discussion. All those in favor signify by saying I opposed. That passes unanimously and that approval is granted. Uh thank you again to the applicant and wish you best of luck on the project. Uh and uh and low vacancy rates into the future. With that, that brings us to the end of our business items this evening. Uh we don't have any council member initiated items or council minutes. The only thing uh remaining other than future agenda review is our brief consent agenda. I'll turn it over to C manager Trean to introduce our consent items this evening. And control room. Could I have a computer screen, please? All right. As mentioned, Mr. Mayor, only two items, so this be really quick. Um, item 10A approves payments in the amount of $750,24062, and agenda item 10B approved the purchase of two dehumidification units, the skating center as planned for in the 2025 capital improvement budget, and the hiring of a contractor to do centerline painting as part of our annual contractual pavement painting. And that is the consent. All right. Thank you, Mr. Trean. Is there a motion on the consent agenda? Second. It's been moved by Council Member Grath, second by Council Member Straw. Uh discussion on the motion for the consent items. Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. That passes unanimously. Those items are approved. Uh and then as mentioned before, the future agenda review. Once again, back to Mr. Trean. Yes, we have a meeting on next Monday and we have a couple uh proclamations. We also have a public hearing for certification of the unpaid utility bills, which we do on a pretty regular basis. We also will have consideration of a clear channel agreement regarding the use of the digital displays as far as um having city messages on there. We do have a number of alcohol and tobacco compliance failures. So, that'll be the bulk of that evening. On June 2nd, um we will have the consideration of the ethics complaint. I would uh mention that this coming Wednesday, u the ethics commission will be meeting to consider that complaint. We also have the county road B assessment hearing and also received a report from BKB regarding civic campus master plan. Then the 16th uh we'll be bringing back the consideration of the Aldine rightaway vacation with have a joint meeting with the finance commission and kind of kick off some of very early budget conversations and really take a look at the property tax base any legislative changes. As you read in the paper today, they're scrambling again to meet the deadlines and we'll see if they're in special session. though uh that might still be too early to really understand what uh landscape looks like but um uh and also any budget goals July meetings. I would note in reading that article I don't have any information beyond that but it does seem some of that housing legislation is kind of dead on arrival that just can't come to any firm conclusions. So would not expect that to be passed at least this session, but I'm sure it's going to come back. Right. And probably dead on arrival is not the right description for it, but uh as of this point of this point, it seemed like there was a pretty pretty strong effort to try to get it passed. Uh but it seemed like in committee that it sort of started to found her. So uh I did remember in that article they talked about that it would be most likely coming back in a future year. Uh depending on what ends up in any omnibus bill that might happen. So stay tuned. Uh but appreciate that update. Uh, are there questions from council members on the future agenda? Council member Strong, can we um add Rosefest to the agenda for June just so we all keep that in mind because we are to the list of meetings essentially. To the list of meetings. Sure. Yes, we do have that that really really complicated meeting at the end of June where we all sit in the back of a pickup truck or we walk which has to be noticed. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'll I'll bet next time. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Other questions or comments on the future agenda? Um wondering if in sometime in the future we could add the street light policy because I'm getting a lot of calls on that and I would like the council to have a discussion on that. Council member Graph, is there I know we've talked about a little bit offline, but is there a certain thing you want us to come back with? Because council did adopt that policy. You just want to have a refresher and conversation. there certain aspects that need to change or Well, perhaps I mean the feedback I'm getting is that the people don't want them and so I want to know whether we're going to require them where it's recommended or not and whether there is any I think the public wants to know what the policy is and how we how they can work with that. So that's what I mean maybeformational updates. They're also thinking that with the finances the way they are, is are street lights really where we should be putting that amount of money at this time since no one wants them on the blocks that I'm hearing from anyway, right? We'll note that. Um, and that would be so I believe unless the council uh objects or suggests otherwise that would be under our normal council member initiated item where that would be at the next meeting for consideration by the council as to whether it goes on a future agenda. Yes. Unless the council wants it to be just put on an agenda. That's an option the council has at this time. Bring it back under the normal policy. Seems that way. All right. Very good. other uh reports, announcements, questions on the future agenda or council member initiated items for future meetings. Uh council member, I just had a question about um did we come to a final decision on the massage therapy? Are we bringing that back at some point? Oh, yeah. We'll be bringing that back yet. Oh, it's just not on the docket yet. Yeah. Yeah. Further out into the future. All right. If there's nothing else, then I think the only other item on our agenda this evening is adjournment. So move. Second. It's been moved by council member Sharter, second by council member Bowerer to adjurnn. No discussion on a motion to adjurnn. All those in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. That passes unanimously. We are journed at 7:1ven. Thank you everyone.