e e I hereby call to order the Roseville city council meeting for Monday August 19th 2024 uh can the folks in the room hear me all right not getting it okay it doesn't sound like the uh is on in the room quite loud enough but hopefully we can get that oh that sounds better all right very good we got that out of the way early uh with that Mr treer would you call the role please council member Aton here council member gra here council member St here council member schroer here mayor row here and with us at the de we have our guest City attorney tonight sioban Toler from our attorney firm uh filling in for Rachel who's on out this week uh we also have Pat truder city manager as I mentioned on the other end of the day uh and other uh staff and guests will participate as the uh meeting items uh come up on the agenda and we'll make those introductions then uh with that I'd also want to remind folks if you have a cell phone to silence it or otherwise assure that it doesn't disrupt the meeting tonight uh we do have uh meeting materials for uh people who are attending the meeting this evening uh available on the table under the clock in the back of the room uh we have uh a number of copies of the agenda for for folks to have for their own use uh hopefully we've got enough uh and then also one copy of all the meeting materials in a three- ring binder which is the public copy available for your uh consultation if you need to see any of the meeting materials this evening um I believe from a housekeeping point of view we'll talk more about public comment as those opportunities come up but otherwise we'll ask folks to stand if you're able for the Pledge of Allegiance right behind I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all next turn our agenda this evening is uh to consider approving tonight's agenda and as always I'll check with uh Mr C Manu trudon uh to see if there are any changes uh that need to be made from a staff perspective to the agenda this evening there is not Mr Mayor all right and I'll check with council members uh are there any changes Council members would like to make to the agenda this evening or items council members would like removed from the consent agenda for separate consideration does not appear to be the case uh we'll also do a quick check-in with the audience um I had mentioned the consent agenda that is at the bottom of the agenda section 10 this evening uh it's 10 a through e in this case uh it's approval of our payments there's a massage therapy establishment license uh General purchases over $10,000 uh an agreement with reach for resources uh as well as a resolution about outdoor storage of fleet vehicles on Highway 36 uh if any of those items are items that you're here for this evening and you wish to either ask a question or make a comment this would be the opportunity to let us know and we can pull that item off the consent to move it earlier in the meeting so that you don't have to stay to the very end to make your comment or ask your question is there anyone here for an item in section 10 of tonight's agenda does not appear to be the case uh in that case we have our agenda as presented is there a motion to approve some moved second all right it's been moved by uh council member St second by council member ratton sorry AB all right we've got our motion before us to approve the agenda as presented is there any discussion on that motion uh hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed that passes unanimously we have our agenda for this evening next on tonight's agenda is the first opportunity for public comment uh this is an opportunity for general public comment uh we will have an opportunity for folks to speak to items that are on the agenda as those items come up but at the beginning of each meeting we do want to provide an opportunity for members of the public to speak to their city council their elected representatives about items either related to City business uh but not on tonight's agenda or items of interest to people in the community uh that are also not on tonight's agenda is there anyone here to speak this evening under general public comment on non-agenda items yes if that's the case uh I'll go through the process and then you'll know exactly what to do so we'll have um an opportunity for folks to speak and when you do speak at public comment uh we've got the two microphones at the table you can have a seat at one of the chairs uh in front of the microphone you don't have to adjust the microphone or anything um each speaker has by Council rule a three minute time limit to speak and we ask that you address comments or questions to the city council we may under General comments we may not be able to answer uh the particular comment or question at this time but we'll certainly if it's something we need to refer to staff or something along those lines we'll make sure and do that uh with that uh the other thing we would just note is uh when you begin your comments if you can state your name and either your address or your street name uh for the record uh and we'll ask folks to come forward who wish to make a general public comment at this time hi hello welcome my name is Deany the 16 Beacon Street here in Roseville and I would like to address like they got the really nice Evergreen Park here in Roseville that they've done up for pickle ball and the park looks nice now and it's really popular for us aging people and um during the state fair they post no parking signs for the fair there but people just kind of ignore it and go through I was wonder if there's a way we could maybe get that more enforced somehow I can respond to that this evening oh okay so uh uh generally speaking uh we do designate some of those areas as no parking because of our experience with parking around some of those parking ride Lots uh and we partner with the state fair uh to make sure that that's all obviously that they're covering everything associated with the parking rides but we've actually also had an agreement with them I think for several years now that they cover the cost of additional enforcement uh and so we want to make sure if uh you are having issues with parking in that area you can either call 911 and say it's not an emergency and just report the location and and Ros will go out and enforce or you can call the nonemergency uh dispatch number as well in those instances and make sure and report it because that's the only way we know to enforce it is when it's reported right y thank you because as we tried last year and it didn't seem to they said they couldn't do nothing because it wasn't City we weren't city employees or whatever so they kind of ah we'll uh we'll check into that yeah and if I could just say we have an extra officer on duty during a stay Fair time that's off duty that is specifically uh charged to enforce the parking issues there so I would urge you to to contact uh dispatch again and we'll send somebody out thank you very much thank you for bringing that to folks attention that was easy thanks we like those hope now that you've had one experience you can feel free to come back for more public comment at all of our meetings if you like all right uh with that is there anyone else who wishes to speak during general public comment this evening right seeing no one there uh we'll go ahead and proceed with the rest of our agenda this evening uh next on the agenda we have um some recognitions and donations uh and the first couple of things are proclamations uh which I will read and then the council will have a motion uh to uh consider approving uh the first is in relation to Hispanic Heritage Month and the proclamation reads as follows whereas from September 15th through October 15th national Hispanic Heritage Month is observed to celebrate the Heritage History traditions and cultural diversity of Hispanic Americans whose Heritage is rooted in Spain Mexico Central and South America in the Caribbean including Guatemala Honduras El Salvador Nicaragua uh Costa Rica Panama Colombia Venezuela Ecuador Peru Bolivia Paraguay Chile Argentina Uruguay Cuba Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic and whereas the national observation began in 196 as Hispanic heritage week and was expanded in 1988 when the United States Congress adopted a resolution designating that period each year as National Hispanic Heritage Month and whereas this heritage month is celebrated mid-september to mid- October to highlight the independence of several countries September 15th is the day that five Latin American countries celebrate their independence from Spain those being Costa Rica El Salvador Nicaragua Guatemala and Honduras Mexico also celebrates its independence on September 16th and Chile on September 18th where and whereas uh the Hispanic Community has had a profound influence on our country through their strong commitment to Family Faith and culture and they have enhanced and shaped our National Heritage with centuries old traditions that reflect the multiethnic and Multicultural customs of their community and whereas during National Hispanic Heritage Month the United States celebrates the culture and traditions of Spanish-speaking residents who Trace their roots to Spain Mexico Central America South America and the Caribbean and whereas the City of Roseville invites all members of the community to celebrate 2024 Hispanic Heritage Month with the theme pioneers of change shaping the future together now therefore be it resolved that the City of Roseville hereby proclaims September 15th through October 15th to be Hispanic Heritage Month in the City of Roseville so move second it's been moved by council member Edon seconded by council member stra to adopt that Proclamation uh discussion on the motion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed that passes unanimously that Proclamation is adopted and I'll note that it'll be published in uh Spanish as well the second Proclamation this evening is related to Constitution week in Roseville and it reads as follows whereas September 17th 2024 marks the 237th anniversary of the drafting of the United States Constitution by the Constitutional Convention and whereas it is fitting in proper to Accord official recognition to This Magnificent document and its memorable anniversary and to the Patriotic celebrations which will commemorate the occasion and whereas Public Law 915 guarantees the issuing of a proclamation each year by the president of the United States designating September 17th through 23rd as Constitution week now therefore be resolved that the City of Roseville hereby declare September 2017 through 23rd to be Constitution week in Roseville and urges all to reaffirm the ideals uh the the framers of the Constitution had in 1787 by vigilantly protecting the freedoms guaranteed to us through this guardian of our liberties remembering that lost rights may never be retained regained so moved second right's been moved by Council M gra seconded by council member Scher uh discussion on that motion no hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed that passes unanimously that Proclamation is approved uh and then third under recognitions and donations we have recognition of our community relations team uh as a result of some awards that have been received uh and we'll turn over to our assistant C manager Rebecca Olsen to introduce this item for us this evening Miss Olson thank you mayor council members tonight uh we're very excited to share with you some awards that our community relations team won these awards are called the Northern Light Awards and they were issued by the Minnesota Government Minnesota Association of government communicators um I'm actually going to turn it over to our team because they're the ones that did the work I want them to to share with you so I'm going to invite um Cory y up and um Shannon and Ian if you'd like to come up as well welcome to the team right uh good evening mayor and Council U take a second to load up this slide here this you know which one we didn't get an award for this one and what's that SL all right gotcha there close enough all right uh so with me today is Ian wallish community relations specialist and Shannon Prather our community relations coordinator uh the three of us make our community relations team though um these Awards involved a lot of folks in our city not just us and so as um um I like to thank our city assistant City Manager for giving us a chance to talk up here for a second here um we'll kind of just do a brief summary of each award uh three Awards two first place one silver award uh the first first place that we received was at our website redesign um a couple of the notes that the judges gave us for this was a lot a lot of the for all three of the awards was the intentionality the purpose the thought that we had and we put into a lot of these Awards um a lot of these efforts for the awards uh Ian was very integral with the redesign I'd like to take credit for it but it was a lot of time spent uh with design and um you know shortly before after coming over to this side of City Hall the admin side from the police department um we worked really hard to get um Google analytics set up um it seems easy to do of just signing up but we had a lot of work to do to get that fixed we used that information to really um lead the design to see how our site was used and really to identify some opportunities um one of the opportunities that I think was really big was giving Parks inter direct their own celebrated site um we found out that our website is largely used by um Park users participants people in their programs and we have a very you know kind of complex Department there working with all of our nature programs um all the parks facilities the rentals the oval all of those things so we put a lot of time into that to make sure people can get there and make a better user experience for those um the accessibility was brought up as well of some intentionality again with that of um looking backwards as well of trying to get all of our uh graphic links to be able to be work in readers as well we uh use the add-on user way which uh we'll talk a little bit more on our newsletter coming up what that little icon is in the upper right of our website that allows uh people to use a lot of different functions to um have more access to our website and um yeah I'd say finally the biggest thing that judges mentioned was our the news flash options on the bottom of our websites where uh Shannon and and put a lot of time and effort into articles and trying to inform our residents of the program and services we offer um we celebrate those a lot more and those are kind of our launching point from where we put all of our social all the links all the QR codes that we go drive back to those that drive back to our website and push people further into our website for more information so having that really celebrated at the bottom with bigger easier to see um just more aesthetic in general hopefully you guys notice that um and just the work behind it that you won't see are hundreds of pages thousands of images so many broken links a lot of things that that nobody's going to understand unless you're just dealing with it and so um still a website's never really done it's always in redesign pretty much and so as you see things please let us know we we'll continue going but a great job on Ian for that one um other first place we received was for a special event for Envision Roseville family day I don't know if folks remember that but it was a kind of a dual program that we did to celebrate our 75th um anniversary of Roseville but this one came to us again the intentionality um was based off that Roseville program that we were missing some uh key feedback from our community some of that was with our younger families and we're always looking to hear more from our bipack bipac community and so uh we again really intentional with this with with no budget um we tried to find ways that's going to bring families to our Parks um having worked in the police side I knew that they had some unused um money for the family day that I used to help run and so I'd like to say I stole that but I'd like to say borrowed it from the police department and so uh we use that to um bring things that uh families like so free stuff a petting zoo the face painting Inflatables our Public Safety vehicles that we can get out there and uh we are very intentional where we put that our Consultants is right by that line that kind of uh waiting line where parents have nothing they can do but listen to our Consultants talk about aspirations and pull that information and so um we are very intentional with that and we had almost 700 people attend that event again and so um in addition to that the second part was to kind of uh tee up some people for the 7 th anniversary event after that um one side note I'll say on that the efforts again that people didn't see is there was a huge storm that that canel that um Everybody Was Gone except for Ian and I with a wagon uh pulling up all sorts of signs underneath the power lines in Central Park during a lightning storm and so I can say that now because we're safe I wouldn't say that for that for insurance purposes um but uh and so uh again that event was recognized and there's a lot of people saying that's a you know smart way of doing that versus just putting an event together we really thought this out and and uh finally a silver award for a public information project we did and this was largely Shannon's um Shannon's efforts and Ian's efforts with the the photos there but it's a series of uh of articles that we put together including article about the Mac about the um letters instead ticket Innovation Innovative practices an article about um the duckberry incident in southa so um Tom introduction to Tom pitel what else am I missing from that most of those put together um and again these are tough topics these aren't OB easy things to put into and also hard to get these published sometimes um Shannon's a phenomenal journalist and isn't just a great at piecing together articles but at making people feel comfortable of saying things that probably that I couldn't pull from people others who can't from it and um really not just that getting this stuff published and earned media so this wasn't just our in-house publishing this was uh put together and um you know echoed by the Pioneer Press the start Tribune um uh industry um as far as the police chief magazine yep of that and uh and also using presentations for different things for this of doing it so um these departments you know the police department are there for policing of it and so it's not easy for them to kind of put the stuff together where Shannon made that very easy and got this uh these messages heard and read by a lot of folks that wouldn't be just through our website or through social so um these were recognized by our peers and uh not the first time we've been asked for some of these pointers and we do the same thing we rely on our on our as well to get these ideas but as I mentioned at the beginning this wasn't just um us three This was um the community members giving us the time to to talk about it staff giving us time department heads giving us access to their um to their employees and uh overall it's a big team effort as I say a team and I speak for everybody here anything else to add covered it yeah any questions any questions from the uh Council Council M graph it's not really a question but um I see a huge difference in our communication since I came on the council and this summer what I've really experienced it I really appreciate this award reflects it these Awards reflect it of course but I have heard over and over again people who know your names out in the public and say specifically what you've been doing and how great it is for the city and I actually had someone say how did you get shanon and up to Ros and I'm like I really don't have the answer to that they're like very impressed and very jealous of it so those are just feedback I'm hearing from the community and it's all been very positive thank you Council sh oh yes thank you and congratulations for the award that's great ever since I've been involved with the city as well the one thing I remember the first time I applied for a commission the first question was how can you improve Communications you know and and I was on the finance commission and they were even asking us that question so that I I want to with um um you know um member graph here sorry council member graph keep getting the Eda in yes um you know I too have heard a lot from people about how much it's improved and and one of the things was I know everyone kept thinking how can we improve it and obviously you have come up with great ways to improve it and not just not just talk about that we need it but you actually have come up up with ways to achieve it so thank you very much comc very strong thank you I also I want to Echo the others um comments but I also want to appreciate um the team that you've created Corey U Mr Yan um because you know you were kind of the the point person to start this out um I have seen in many places this summer and um I appreciate again just that consistent uh face in the crowd that people know but I I thank you for being forward-looking I've had many people who are disability Advocates with concerns about the readability of our website and as we hear over and over and over again why can't we have a paper we we know that that's not necessarily the feature of communications but really appreciate where you're taking that and moving it forward and still understanding that people want those stories and people want that type of um feel so I really um I appreciate you from the community for what what they see we're hearing more and or how much people find that value in the publication that you're getting to them and I think before it used to just kind of be you know look at talk it in the recycle and now I definitely go through it all and there's almost always something I didn't know and I would think that I would have a lot more information and so I appreciate the effort and time that you put into that so thank you I feel like I better say something new they're not going to like me likewise they're going to they're going to write some news article retiring council member never worked anywh um I I I'll say thinking about the website I know in those months of transition there were several times I said Corey what's up with this page or you guys did a tremendous job of peeling apart all kinds of layers of crazy that was on the internet and making it clean and much more uh accessible for everyone so thank you for that work yeah there was a bad haircut phase for that we were working it out so yeah it's a good way to describe it um and I would just Echo the notes on the on the newsletter and I think that just kind of is a great opportunity to maybe preview not specifically but I know the notion is is that you're not resting on your laurels and that this isn't this isn't the end of of the the things that will be uh creatively done uh we've already looked at uh adjusting things like the timing of the state of the city and some format aspects of that and some other things uh and so there's I think you know one of the things I really appreciate about this group is is just the constant interest in Improvement and Innovation um and the you know the challenge of course becomes is that you have to balance that with getting the job done every day too so uh we appreciate also that you keep that in mind as well so but uh we look forward to the next Innovations that'll be coming out and the next Awards you'll be recognized for those Innovations congratulations thank you pressure's on yeah all right appreciate it thank you yeah thank you uh with that uh then we can move to our business items this evening uh our first business item is to receive an update in relation to the proposed uh opportunity to put in place a green tog go ordinance and we have Noah bakan with us this evening uh our sustainability coordinator specialist always sustainability goto person um to give us an update on this and talk about maybe some next steps absolutely thank you mayor Rogue all the council members um I will try to get through this quickly I tested it today and my presentation clocked in at about 30 minutes and I know we're about 10 minutes behind now and that's pretty typical when you're following Corey G we all love Corey and the communications team I wanted to Echo all of that um but today we're going to do a pretty quick history of the discussion just kind of briefly talk through how long we've been talking about this um talk through the why of why we're looking at implementing an ordinance for this type of thing and then we'll go through an overview of our engagement process we'll talk through some of the survey results that we heard um and then we'll go through some implementation and enforcement recommendations um I put question in discussion at the end but if you have questions as we go through please feel free to interrupt me is otherwise you don't you don't need to listen to me talk on and on for an hour half an hour um so we'll get started um we've been discussing this since at least I've been discussing this since March 2022 I think it was in a little bit of consideration even prior to that but when I came on board um the Public Works commission implemented this and we started doing some research and a couple of uh detailed presentations to the commission and then we finally went to council um in January to talk about our engagement process recommendations uh we received authorization to move ahead with Community engagement um and that engagement involved a survey which we launched in March uh we did also Sund a letter to rosille businesses that are licensed by the Ramsey County Environmental Health um held a couple of community meetings sent a second letter out in June and then we did some additional engagement in August just reaching out to the different bipac chambers of Commerce there's a black Hispanic and mung Chamber of Commerce all across the Metro so we reached out to make sure that they were aware of this as well uh we are introducing this because we primarily wanted to reduce the use of expand polystyrene more commonly known as styrofoam in the food service business as well as to reduce posos in the waist stream um something like this would also support the pollution control agency Solid Waste plan um it sets forth a goal of municipalities reaching a 75% recycling rate by 2030 which is drawing ever closer we only have six years um as of 2020 we're at about 46% so Roseville has the ways to go um this also aligns very nicely with Ramsey and Washington County's food scraps pickup program which has been rolling out to a few counties uh a few communities across Ramsey and Washington County Roseville is expected to receive it around 2026 um we also recently this year the packaging waste and cost reduction Act was passed in the 2023 legislature um among other things this would require all packaging coming into Minnesota to be recyclable or compostable by 2032 so this aligns very nicely with that um and it also adds consistency with nearby communities who've already implemented some um ordinances like this um and then finally reducing waste is really important on both a local scale and a global scale and I mentioned this because recycling markets shift over time um our current hauler tries to keep all of our materials mostly in the Midwest in Minnesota and almost entirely within North America but some recycling does get shipped out to uh communities in the global South to deal with and uh especially China for a long time and then when they stopped accepting Plastics they went to Southeast Asia after 2018 so our recycling might not necessarily even stay in our our city or our County and so that's important to think about when we're thinking about reducing waste and why are we looking at this specifically for food and this is something that I mentioned when I had a presentation with the businesses um and there's two major Solid Waste issues that we see um one is plastic pollution and the increased prevalence of microplastics in the environment and another one is food waste which is a huge issue in the United States um food and packaging make up almost 45% of materials and landfills um plastic production is at an all-time high and continues to grow even though plastic been in production since 50s 60s the 50% of all plastic ever made has been made since in the last 18 years which is a pretty astounding um thing to think about and it's projected to Rise um from a food standpoint and this is something that I heard from Minnesota Hospitality uh rates of ordering food for takeout and delivery over more than doubled during the pandemic um and 20 30% of business's revenues come from takeout and delivery services additionally food waste is a massive Issue 4 to 10% of food purchased by Food Service businesses is actually wasted before it even reaches the customer and then overall we waste about 30% of our whole food supply um so by composting those food waste scraps and maybe diverting them to a different waste stream we can turn it into a useful material you know compost can amend soil and make it healthier I wanted to talk through the equity considerations of this ordinance specifically uh one big thing is when you think about businesses owned by minorities people of color a lot of times they that presents in lower earnings less growth lower access to loans and credit and that sort of thing so one thing I really recommend throughout this whole process is if we move forward with this and even if we don't it's really important that the staff works really closely with businesses to make sure they're aware of different programs and technical assistance sets available for them um Additionally the survey was only offered online and in English so that uh puts a lot of bias on respondes who only spoke English and had access to the internet um and then additionally a survey does say that low-income households are more likely to use delivery services compared to higher income households so if restaurants respond to this by raising their prices it could adversely affect those households who rely on the takeout to to eat from day to day um and again race and income are very closely linked so uh bipac households are very likely to be affected if that were to come to pass once we received the go-ahead to start doing Outreach we created a landing page on the city website this page this is a screenshot of the page it included links to this the business and residence surveys what our basic goals were with the ordinance what we're proposing links to our brochure and past presentation information if they wanted to look through that links to other cities ordinances so they could see what other cities are proposing and then links to those some of those businesses that can help offset some of the costs that would come along with this process as I mentioned we met early with hospitality Minnesota to talk through our ordinance proposal and our engagement process to get some ideas from them and got some good feedback on when a good time to have public meetings would be and how best to reach some of these businesses um we sent out informational letters in March and June to all of the licensed food businesses in Roseville letting them know about the the proposal and the ordinance language and the other ways they could get involved um the two online surveys that we created have been open since March um they remain open still at this time we held two inperson listening sessions that included staff from visit Roseville the twin City's North Chamber of Commerce Ramsey County and also several packaging suppliers and Distributors and here I just want to comment how uh visit Roseville and the twin city of North chamber have been really great partners for throughout this whole process and extremely helpful with trying to get us connected with some of these businesses um we did do in-person Outreach as well in the last couple of months to try to let businesses know about some of these meetings and how they can access the survey and access some of these uh resources from Biz Recycling and then we also reached out uh to some of the professional organizations just to let them know and spread the word a little bit further to places like Minnesota Grocers Minnesota retailers Minnesota food trucks Etc if you can think of a business there's probably an organization that recommend that represents them so they also helped get our information out into the public a little bit more any questions before we move into survey analysis all right keep it moving so uh we had 19 total responses out of 142 unique businesses so we have 100 about 180 licensed food entities in rosille but that includes a bunch of chains so if we break that down to just single locations um and actually we received one other response just since I posted this so we actually have 20 responses which instead of 13% now represents 14% um which I was it was maybe lower than we were hoping but I was very pleased to get some of the we got some really good feedback and we'll go through some of that now um some trends that we saw really cost is by far the biggest issue that a lot of people were very concerned about compared to some of the materials that were they were already using to Pivot to something recyclable or compostable um I also noted that a lot of respondents were not familiar with bis recycling resources so I think that was a huge area of opportunity for us to just do additional re Outreach to let them know that that is a really great resource that they can help with um we put a few different items that we could do as a city to help through the transition process and ask them to rank them uh by far the highest ranking option was getting connected with suppliers and funding resources um and we also asked a few questions just about General operations to understand things like what do they know about their current hauling situation how do they get their materials um and how long how much material do they tend to keep on hand and so most almost overwhelmingly everyone keeps less than three months on hand which means that at least from a changeover perspective it's there's not a whole lot of waiting time to get through some of those materials um aside from the cost cost um some notable themes from comments that we received through the survey too we heard a lot of comments about the lack of control of the packaging once it leaves their hands so once the consumer gets it they the restaurant can't really control how it gets thrown away um there are some ways we can try to offset that by requiring you know the correct types of recepticles in those businesses but if they're getting it to go it's kind of hard to really control that I have a question just on that yeah it you came came to me as I was thinking about this earlier um is there any correlation between the types of containers and packaging we might uh want people to use in terms of recyclable specifically and the things that are accepted in our residential recycling uh program um I just wondered if packaging is over here and the things we accept in our residential program are here or is there good correlation because that's probably where things might end up yeah in the in the ordinance language we actually have the recycle materials have to be accepted by our our local hauler so okay that was part of it good cuz we didn't want any confusion any more confusion than there already is right I mean it's it's still a challenge to get people necessarily to recycle in their households but at least we're accepting the things that we're asking people to use so that's a step in a right direction it seems like correct Council memb in that same vein um are any of the proposed um materials things that could go into these compost so we it would be require anything that's either cyclable or compostable and so as the ordinance has written if they have compostable materials that they're offering for their to go materials they really should include a Organics receptacle at front of house that people could use if they need to so if they offer recyclable only recyclable in trash then they don't necessarily need that Organics container but if they're offering compostable it's they really need to have a compostable container for people to use as well and just to note I think it ALS also talks about reusable as well as another option reusable is an option yes it's not well taken advantage of at this time probably in the industry but it is it's a growing industry we definit and I've reached out to a few of the the suppliers that kind of help with exploring those options we have one local business that I know of that is working with one of those right now that's using those containers um but yeah it's there's there's a lot of complexity with that that I think I'm not sure businesses are ready for but I will say I think there's a lot of opportunities for changing from um single use eating dining in materials to reusable dining in materials and there are resources that I mentioned towards the end of the presentation that speak to that so thanks yeah anything else before I move ahead all right um I think we left off one of the other comments that we received were just about the efficacy of different packaging with different types of foods which is a common thing you hear especially with like hot greasy Foods um things like curries and that sort of thing don't really do well in compostable materials because it starts breaking it down that much faster um and then from a bias standpoint I mentioned earlier the survey was online and only in English so respondents that don't speak English as their first language and don't have access to the internet may have had trouble with accessing the survey um and the majority of the respondents were white we did ask an optional demographic question and so by far the most the most people who responded were white I just wanted to highlight a few of the questions that we asked just to kind of explore how that looked um one of the things we asked was just what type of business they are and this was a multi-choice question um so we had a really interesting uh range of local businesses local chains independently owned businesses and even a couple of national chains and hotels so we had a really interesting cross-section of the responses that we did receive and then I also asked how long the business has been open just to get a a temperature check on that and actually the most respondents we had were have been open for 10 or more years and I think that really speaks to the Vitality of our community that we have that many businesses that have been even just responded to this that have been open so long um and here's that race and ethnicity question that we asked and so you can see most of the respondents respond is white uh and then the big question do you support an ordinance requiring take out containers to be compostable or recyclable and this graph changed a little bit since we got one more response in just yesterday uh we have six yeses seven maybe and one more seven NOS so very broad swath I was honestly surprised how many yeses I received which you know somebody who supports this might be more biased to respond to the survey in general anyways but um it is what it is and then finally I just wanted to speak to a couple of really key comments that I think encapsulate a lot of the things that we heard throughout this entire process um one person said that the containers are considerably more expensive and sometimes twice the price and they can be hard to get in a timely matter because sometimes they're special order and I think the the big one on the far right um I would be open to using something sustainable that was more economical than what's currently offered we've resisted raising our prices throughout the last four years as we try to offer our services at an affordable price point which is very hard to find anymore and the kicker cost of goods taxes and wages continue to rise making it hard for small businesses to remain profitable and worth the hard work it takes to operate a small business and I think that really speaks to the heart of what I've been hearing throughout this whole process is that it's they're really interested in it but the cost might be a little bit offsetting and I know restaurants have had a lot of issues with Staffing in the last couple of years and dealing with some other legislative issues that have come up so we we definitely understand that and are hearing that uh residential survey we received 76 total responses and I'm not even going to try to say how what percentage of the population that is cuz it's not St statistically significant um but still a good number of people who responded um General Trends over half just under half of all the respondents actually eat out at least once a week which I was not expecting it to be that High um and even a quarter of the respondes said that the takeout materials restaurants offer affected where they eat so some people won't even go to a place that serves their food and styrofoam um a surprising majority would pay a small up charge if the restaurants offered a fully compostable or recyclable option for takeout um a lot of people said depends how small which is fair um again to note an upch charge passes that cost onto the consumer and could adversely affects low-income households that are relying on those places to eat um although a couple suppliers did say that maybe a 5 C increase per item could offset that cost depending on their volume so their mileage will vary depending on materials they're using honestly and then overall 88% of the responses supported the ordinance uh residents were very respon very interested in this um idea um some notable themes we saw from those comments a lot of concerns about microplastics and different types of non-recyclable plastic especially black plastic number five came up a few times um concerns about different City and County Recycling requirements so if somebody from Anoka County comes into our area and eats out and then takes it back to Anoka to eat and they can't compost it you know we can't it's another part of that we can't control what happens to it when it leaves our hands um and then a lot of people mentioned they had a perception that this ordinance is really necessary for restaurants to take action whether or not that's accurate it's hard to say but that's the perception that people have um and then to know biases for this one again residents who are really passionate about this issue are much more likely to respond to this issue and I'll talk about some of the things that lead me to believe that in a little bit and then there's a lot less Financial Risk for the consumer in this situation so it's easier for them to say yeah let's do it it's great um so here's that graph that shows just what the responses were for whether or not the takeout materials offered by restaurants affected where someone ate surprising that sometimes our Yes actually came up as much as it did and then this is what leads me to believe this is a somewhat biased survey result overall is that we asked if someone separates their food with food scraps and compostable waste and so we asked if they take it to our dropsite or if they compost in their backyard or if they do both or if they don't do any of them and a lot of people responded Yes we do one of one or the other or both and I think that's not the majority of people in Roseville I think I know there's a lot of people who do compost but I'm not sure how widespread it is and it's hard to track that so it leads me to believe that this is a little bit biased for these results as well just a note on that it would be interesting to compare that to if there is a comparable question on our survey of of residents if there's any correlation there yep absolutely and then I asked where residents lived so as I was doing Outreach throughout the summer on this I was at various events in both Roseville and St Paul and so I was talking to people not necessarily in Roseville but who also dined out in Roseville because they're also affected by this ordinance and so most of the respondents do live in Roseville but there are a handful that responded that either live near Roseville and the other I think is one person who lives in outstate Minnesota but comes to Roseville frequently and wanted to put their their vote in for this so that was interesting appreciated their their feedback and then finally the results of how residents support an ordinance like this and very overwhelmingly yes um from residents and then I won't read through all of these because there's a lot of comments but there's a couple that I think speak to what residents are really saying to me um one of them was everything depends on what people do with the recyclable compostable containers after getting them which is a theme that we've talked about uh this ambitious effort is useless if the containers are just thrown in the trash and I hear that loud and clear and especially talking to the businesses who are going to be affected by this and the costs that they're going to occur um knowing that they're going to have to pay extra and that it just goes in the trash is just a little extra demoralizing so I can totally understand that um another person mentioned if this if a business wants to add this on their own that's great should not be mandatory and then a third one says as busy parents it's difficult to do all we want for the environment so this kind of program is one we support wholeheartedly any other questions before we move on to additional all right so some specific implications for the City of Roseville with this ordinance if if it should pass um our food related inspections are done by Ramsey County environmental health and they cannot enforce or ordinances on our behalf so we would it would be up to us to enforce an ordinance like this um they have been a really great partner in providing contact information for all the lenses in the county and they have and they will continue to do so so that's very helpful for us um but it can be confusing if restaurants have to deal with multiple regulatory parties for something like this um another situation is that food trucks aren't actually inspected by Ramy County I think that's a state level inspection um we have a handful of situations where food trucks are present in the City I did reach out to the Food Truck Association just to let them know about this but never heard back um but we do work with food trucks on a few different events within the city already on this so I'm not overly concerned with it um and then Caterers um any company that's catering in the City of Roseville for something like a wedding um those would be excluded because they might be located in one place operate in another place um there were some questions about if a caterer has a brick and mortar shop in Roseville those would still be covered under this ordinance it would just be their catering activities would not be um some of the benefits that we might see from an ordinance that like this um especially from a business perspective if businesses really do a a strong job at diverting their ways to either recycling or compost they can save a lot of money on their Solid Waste fees um Ramsey County has one of the highest Solid Waste taxes in the metro area maybe in the State uh we have a 177% state tax and the County Environmental charge is 53% um Recycling and Organics disposal does not get charged the same tax so if they divert something like their food waste which is a really heavy amount of trash it's very um and they can go down to a smaller trash dumpster than they can save money on their trash bill um the next bullet this is actually a quote straight from Biz recycling's presentation uh waste is inefficient a business pays for a product they pay to collect the product they pay to dispose of the leftover product and then they pay a tax on that disposal so by diverting some of their waste into recycling or compost it's they can save their business a lot of money and even things like moving from single-use d in options to reusable can actually save quite a bit of money so that's something that I think we'll be pushing regardless um and then this is something we heard from a couple of the Cities as well that have already implemented this but businesses that are modeling Recycling and organic waste separation at front of house helps to normalize that process for people as well um ad mentioned that they noticed that people understand a little bit more how to compost products since they've implemented their ordinance uh just a couple resources that are available um Vis Recycling and wastewise we've talked about a lot um if you're not too familiar with them they offer both technical assistance and also financial support for anything related to business trash so they can look at your hauler bills they can help you analyze different hauler options um help you find products help you get bins for for both front of house and back of house um and also cover containers which a couple of our restaurants have already taken advantage of this um two other resources minimize is one that's also through the chamber started with henpen County but they do service businesses across the state um their focus is primarily redu just reducing single use plastic in the restaurant industry and it's a recognition program so there's different tiers that you can achieve based on the different actions you're taking um and they also have a reate to help reduce your plastic usage um and a rethink disposable is a brand new one I just heard about it from a resident actually um and they are funded through the Clean Water fund and the PCA and they work with plastic free restaurants on shifting to reusable servware for dining in so there's technical assistance and funding assistance that they can offer as well as additional mini grants for business businesses that are owned by women or byp people so what we're recommending for the ordinance itself is that follow similar exemptions that other cities have already put in place um those exemptions are typically Healthcare facilities um licensed Caterers like we've talked about a little bit foods that come prepackaged by the manufacturer and anything that's like a plastic film is just hasn't something been that the industry is cracked yet for recyclable or compost um as we would move forward we would work with restaurants to determine if there's other material exemp exemptions that are necessary uh Minneapolis in St Louis Park went through a series of different exemptions as they eased into their process um but the materials are much more widely available than they were back when they started so hard to say if it's something we would need to do at this point um our enforcement I'm Rec recommending just based on annual visits with the restaurants um just go in review the ordinance review their packaging materials if they're not in compliance give them 60 days to make changes and then if those changes aren made um file administ uh find them an administrative fee and then also create an informational packet for new restaurants so they can understand um what we're asking of them what the ordinance requires and how they can find support to come into compliance um if approved I'm recommending at least a 12month phasin for education and Outreach um part of that would be a packaging fair to help connect businesses with suppliers and haulers and buiz Recycling and all of that I actually have a meeting at 8: a.m. tomorrow with St Paul to talk about their upcoming packaging pair so we're look we're already working on um organizing those for other cities um as I mentioned observe whether any material exemptions are needed and then use our recognition program the sustainable Steward program to recognize any early adopters throughout this process um post 12 months recommending annual site visits to restaurants uh explain the ordinance check inventory um check their collection methods and that sort of thing uh St Louis Park is taking this approach I believe Dina is also I already followed St Louis Park on a a couple of their inspections so I know kind of what they're doing and what it looks like and I think it's a really Common Sense way to work with the businesses um and then again that informational packet for new restaurants and throughout as I mentioned earlier staff really need to connect frequently with businesses to let them know about these technical assistance and Grant programs that can help them through the process U from a staffing Point uh Staffing perspective we will at at least need a summer intern or a graduate fellow to help shoulder the burden of doing all these visits um there's 180 restaurants is a lot um it does include things like schools as well and hotels which have limited more limited takeout options as well but um it's still still quite a bit of work to go door too and have those conversations and so it'd be nice to have a little bit extra support that is all I have I'd love to hear any other questions anyone has or recommendations all right uh let's uh maybe on the council at this point stick to questions or clarifications because we do want to provide an opportunity to hear from the public as well maybe before we return to council discussion uh questions or clarifications from the council council member schroer yes thank you for doing this because I know this has been something we've been talking about forever and um a couple of things um it would be nice to be able to find a way to measure this in a meaningful way because my understanding is the cities that are already attempting ing this don't have a lot of data yet because you know from the comments you see you know they don't know how what happens once it leaves and so and I don't know what the answer is but it would be nice to figure out ways to what measurements or how do we know this is working and is the education getting to the people you know because that's that a lot of it for the takeout again it would be nice to know where it actually is ending up so so it' be nice to uh continue to work on the um measurement side of that and then um I was concerned about the amount of staff needed for this um 180 restaurants um is a lot and so we'd want to make sure that if we you know do this that we have the ability to follow up and and you know it's not only just enforcing but as you said the educating and and helping with these different suppliers and different things like that so I just want to make sure that you talked about that intern is is that really going to be enough to do this properly so and I know you may not have that answer tonight but these are just a couple of things I'd like to keep in mind and that's an excellent question and I have an appro one thing I thought of was also I know Community Development does a lot of Code Enforcement as well I'm not sure if it's something that I feel comfortable passing off to them or if they would even I can I can feel them cringing behind me right now but it would it takes a lot of work Edina has a full-time staff member working on this um St Louis Park has an entire Solid Waste staff that works on this as well Minneapolis has their public health staff that tracks this um from a both a staffing and a tracking standpoint there's a lot of challenges with that and especially considering the Way Roseville is with our population pretty much doubling every day with people coming in and shopping and eating I think it's hard to track where a lot of the waste goes but there are metrics that are tracking overall countywide Recycling and composting rates um I think that are going to be coming out especially as those goals become more imminent and so I'm hoping we can lean on some of those as long as well as our own kind of internal tracking for you know at least tracking how the restaurants are doing and how often we visit them and that sort of thing thank you con can you speak to um the Statewide uh initiative you passed over and what the possibility is of that were to pass and what how that what kind of impact that have even if we didn't pass something at our local level so that will be a bit of a longer process the next step for that is the the whole bill is called the um it's epr and I'm forgetting what the it's um the it's basically the the Creator the producer's responsibility the producer of these packaging is going to be held responsible for the recycling and waste management of that product from you know beginning to end and so they right now as I understand it the state is creating a Advisory Group that's going to help formulate what that kind of responsibility is going to look like um they are going to have to pay fees as well to help support some of the recycling infrastructure that's going to be needed for that additional because there's a lot of packaging that's not recyclable or compostable at this point so we're going to need to see increased composting recyclable recycling infrastructure for that um but it will affect all packaging that comes into Minnesota by 2032 which is a little further out um but it will affect a lot of businesses all at once once once it does come into effect whereas this is just affecting one segment of businesses that we can do a little bit more concerted Outreach effort with them early on and help them access some of those resources that might become a little bit more scarce once it opens up to the General market if that makes sense thank you C Bron yeah I just wanted to make sure this only um deals with containers not the plastic forks or spoons right you mentioned there was an organization that kind of helps address that but this ordinance would only be our own containers it would include uh silverware would be included in that so to go silverware right now there's no recyclable option for that so it would only be composable okay thank you so but there's also other things like like adding straws on demand and that sort of thing and not including everything automatically with when you order you when when you order takeout is another thing that we would enforce mhm okay thank you m council member graph how do we handle this if from the example you use that something doesn't work very there's no container for it yet that works how do we handle that issue we have an exemption language in the ordinance that speaks somewhat to that I believe it say I can you know what I can pull it up here and I can bring it but it speaks to whether or not there's any kind of I'll find it right now so I can say exactly what it is that's the RCA so any packaging for which there is not a commercially available or economically practical alternative as is determined by the city so it leaves it fairly open but we can talk about things like if there's just nothing else out there or if there's a significant financial hardship we can talk about those cases individually and see what makes sense thanks right uh C rest I just wanted to also add and some of the comments you added um some of the business has indicated that they would only have access to the the recyclable materials from their corporation unless um if we did pass some type of ordinance correct so our we would have to have an ordinance in place for them to have access to that material from Starbucks or whever else their National Organization was so um and I just I was at two different local chains this week who have businesses in Minneapolis or St Paul and they already utilize the because it's required where other you know where they are also doing business so um I just wanted to point that out if someone didn't read the minutia on some of the things that you said yeah it's interesting chains I've heard different experiences in different cities with large chains like that some a couple cities had no problems it was very smooth to work with them and then another city received a lot of push back from some of the the larger chains um I have been on a couple of calls with a couple specific larger local not local National chains about this issue as well and so um it's they're they're easy to access if we need to but it is interesting that they would need that ordinance in place before they could actually push those materials out to that Community well I would just say probably it's it is painting a little bit with a broad brush just because large chains can have a lot of different characteristics and a lot of different ownership structures too exactly exactly so that can influence things so it's hard to even say generally whether all of them need the ordinance in order to get the corporate to the magic stuff or or what so and I've spoken with some who are locally owned as well and so those franchises would be affected differently than like the Starbucks that just operate from a regionals perspective so so one thing that came to mind in terms of the enforcement side of it is is this an opportunity to maybe partner with a neighboring Community that's also putting something in place or has something in place that has much more infrastructure in terms of enforcement where we can pay them a annual fee to do that as as opposed to how that affects our local Staffing and and ability to pay that way so just not expecting an answer now but certainly hopefully that's something we can have conversation I have a minor answer for that um the cities of Edina Richfield and Bloomington have a public health group that they all operate that serves those three communities and so that could be something we could look into with neighboring communities and like I said I'm already working with St Paul to work with some of their initiatives as I understand it they've been pretty severely underst staffed for their uh ordinance so there there hasn't been a lot of enforcement but I continue to bother them so sure well that's that is the challenge and may maybe some revenue from a neighboring City could help that you never know but there may be other factors in their staffing issues as we know with staffing issues generally yeah that's a great suggestion though I really like that great I do want to provide an opportunity for public comment uh so if the council can kind of uh keep uh thoughts going on this and churning and we'll uh we'll open it up for public comment if there's anyone from the public who wishes to speak to this proposed ordinance which I want to be clear we have not noticed it as something we're going to take action on this evening uh so there isn't any any action to put this ordinance in place this evening this is just talking about next steps based on everything that we've gotten to to this point uh feel free if there are members of the public who wish to speak to this uh once again we just ask that you come up and uh have a seat at the microphone uh and we do have that three minute time limit which I'll try to enforce gently and uh but firmly good evening Meo members of the council City staff uh John Connelly president of the Twin Cities North Chamber of Commerce and one of the stakers holders in the green too and uh you know just uh our vision is to promote business develop leaders and connect communities and you know we're connecting these communities together with the stakeholders and with City staff on some of the implementation of this uh we were part of this background uh and now the assessment process and now we're getting into some more of the recommendation process here uh you know just so that you know uh she referenced the Minnesota Chamber we uh do promote business recycling uh business recycling with in our Network so it's always a front and center with all of our businesses new and existing so just want to make sure everyone wears that uh our uh our solution and positions is that we always want to encourage our members to migrate to this solution I mean that it's been our position uh the thing we wanted to make sure was the context of that is that is it is it going to cause hardship if it isn't going to cause hardship for us to do this uh give us plenty of Runway also uh ways to minimize costs through Innovation you mentioned something about the packaging uh there going to be some innovation in the next year to in this packaging world that's going to come up and uh we're uh we're looking forward to that uh opportunity to do those sort of things There's an opportunity for an entrepreneur to create that product uh obviously we want to uh make sure that the costs are minimal as or minimized and uh you know we want to be sensitive to any of the sanctions too as well on the businesses especially some of the smaller ones that uh like I said want that Runway and time to adapt to uh what's going to happen over the next couple of years so those are just some of the things that uh I just wanted to reference and uh you know some things are going to are going to be easier than others black plastic is going to probably be very quick uh other things like the little half and half creamers that you see that are plastic and things those are harder and uh so you know just just know that it may not be all at once it might be but I think some of the incremental uh things are going to happen over the next 2 three years are going to be encouraging so that uh by you know 2030 2032 hopefully our businesses have enough product uh and manufacturers that make this product to make it very very feasible for them all right thank you I do want to say that um when I mentioned all the Outreach about business cycling that's not a reflection on the Twin Cities North chamber that's a reflection on myself person Ely I would say I know our Gro Roseville team also promotes B Biz recycling quite a bit but I think it's just a matter of getting in front of the businesses and letting them know that it exists is really the The crucial issue so and we're going to continue to be in communication with our members and and businesses here locally on this as we make this uh step in this direction okay right than thank you is there anyone else from the public who wishes to speak to this item this evening all right does not appear to be the case I want to thank uh the Twin Cities and our chamber for their work with us on this uh and the work with us in general um and also just wanted to note that I think it's it's fair to say just in my own experience with business the business community in Ramsey County that that uh it isn't entirely surprising that there isn't a lot of uh uptake yet on on Biz recycling because I think it just takes a while for that to be something that that a particular business focuses on so there's a lot that businesses are focusing on in general and just trying to keep the door open every day so I completely understand why that's not their highest priority to figure out what's what's out there but I can say that the place I work finally did do some make a connection with Biz recycling we've got new bins and we got some other things going on so it it can happen um I did want to get back maybe to some some questions from the council because I did have a couple um so and you talked a little bit about the enforcement I was thinking about the the 60-day uh period to respond and maybe talking about how we do we need to look at how we phase that in over time and and do we talk about um sort of when the ordinance finally goes into effect if we extend that time period out or some things like that and that may be a little Council discussion too but I just wanted to kind of throw those topics out there as some things to to think about because um and then if you know if it's just one particular packaging item amongst several that a particular business uses and they haven't been able to get it done do they get the full penalty do they get some some smaller penalty or how do we handle some of those situations too so those are some thoughts that came to mind and I'd be curious as to other Council thoughts or if staff has some perspective on those as well um we did have in our initial draft I think we had a 30-day turnover period for that and based on some of the feedback we received I did extend that out to 60 days but I think even something like 90 days would be reasonable based on just the cycle of having to order products and learn what's what's actually appropriate for their food and that sort of thing sure and I think we wanted try to you know hear more from the businesses about that too so that we make sure we tailor that to what the reality of the situation is yeah exactly am I correct that that would that whole system would come in place after a year or so whatever our decision is right so that correct it wouldn't be if we visited them next month and then we give them 60 days or 90 days it's no absolutely maybe a year from now haven't made the transition or only partially made the transition right y y so it wouldn't be new information it shouldn't be new information no it would basically the engagement process that we've been doing would kind of amplify even more if should this pass so that we make sure that all the businesses have ample access to all the information and resources that they need other thoughts from Council Members as to where we go from here council member strong or other questions um well I kind of comments and questions I think mostly comments I just think um many of our City events currently are zero waste um and we have had a really phenomenal um dedicated staff uh and a really amazing group of volunteers and I don't know if there's any way we could tap into any of those Volunteers in um providing opportunities for more of the community to be aware of what um what they could do and not just uh residents and and businesses but I do know there's a few folks I see it every event and they're really passionate about it um and I applaud them for it and I I know um we did a zero waste event at a park building and it was very successful and um and I I just know it can be done and it just takes that extra time to think about it and plan ahead I do know as we talk to young families young adults young um people there's a very strong interest in on environmental impact so I think for us to say we're not going to do anything is not where we need to be headed think we need to be doing something what exactly that is I think there's a combination of things but it seems like education is just Paramount um and that some of that education needs to go back to the business as well though if the nor University of Northwestern said students don't know how to recycle well they have a whole Environmental Services Department there should maybe be an incentive for them to produce less trash you know and so they have an opportunity to see an impact and and benefit for them to educate their students students are constantly turning over you know 25% or more leave every year so it's a continual process in University setting but I think people have about that much of a brain span and as it's going to be a continual process until it becomes habit for other people too yeah absolutely and I find that doing Outreach at events too I often bring a recycling game where people can they spin a wheel and they tell me how to recycle or get rid of the the item that they land on correctly and like kids and both adults will just continue to spin and spin and spin because I want to learn about everything on the on the wheel and so I think there's a hunger to understand how recycling works and so I think I agree with you that I think should that whatever happens that we do need to do a more concerted Outreach effort like recycling 101 or something with residents to help them understand the process and why it's important and I just the last thing was I just think um I appreciate adding the possibility of um coordinating with another city that might have more infrastructure that we could partner with in some way but also um I think we have an opportunity as we roll out the compost we're going to have to be doing a great deal of education at that point to does this compost allow bones or does this one not and you know um things like that and then what is it appropriate even for people to be composting in their yard and what how do they do that appropriately so I think there's a lot of opportunities in the next two years to really educate people as these things come out and I feel like it can all be kind of a a group project and absolutely infographics are so much better than uh anything people have to read um our interactive website would be fabulous um but a game on there get the kids on there and they can be working I don't know and maybe some kind of our holler does have a a game you can download for your phone that you can do the same thing and test your knowledge so it's I I recommend checking that out it's fun but I agree that would be fun for the City website too yeah and I just I you know sometimes um our have a different priority but I I want to make sure that we see it as um something that people gain from this and you're you're it's it's more affordable you you gain the trust of the neighbors and the people who do business in your facility and you even if 50% of those don't go into a receptacle where they are reused it's 50% more than there was before and so I think again we can't no we aren't going to be able to control each and every one of those items but if we can control even a small portion it does it it is a cumulative effect absolutely other thoughts uh Council MRA I agree with all that said first of all though I did want to thank you for your presentation because uh this is really you've done a lot of research and I really appreciated the the contacts you made as far as Biz Recycling and the other ones that was educational for me I was not aware of all those things and I think part of this push is in my opinion the educational part of it oh absolutely communicating with our businesses getting that information back to us this is an ongoing thing yes I hope we eventually pass something here but it may need be need to be Revisited maybe in two years as Mr Connelly says if things start changing and there are other things that come up so absolutely I don't see this as something like okay we enact it now and then it's done and we're through with this forever so it's very much a in what they said in grad school an iterative process yes so that was the one the the main thing I think is um all of those items uh I think the educational period needs to be very carefully worked over it and we have to make sure we reach all our PE all our uh restaurants and other services we need to make sure we reach the people that might have a language barrier I want and I know you're working on that but I want to just bring that up again because I want people to understand what's going on I I want this to be a collaborative thing with the business is not a enforcement thing I agree so um I guess that's the gist of my my comments I don't I could go on and on but you know that's where I'm at now thank you that's how I've been trying to push it as well as more of an educational opportunity rather than something that's just strictly punitive and just before I recognize council member I did want to note um even for me as a relatively good English speaker when I'm out and about and I see opportunities to put something in compost or Rec cycling or trash I still stare at it for about 20 seconds to figure out what I'm supposed to do um so I we're definitely not where we need to be just in that regard and then there's the aspect of of of you know multiple languages and things like that so I think the whole industry and everything associated with Recycling and composting and all of that uh just continues to need to do better to help folks like us figure it out you know because that's it's just such a challenge agree c r I would like to thank you also for your work obviously it's very thorough um appreciate the work you've done to go visit other cities and go on their visits to businesses um it's going to help us do a lot better job so thank you for that I brought this up in 2019 and we had a little pandemic and uh you came and you help make it happen but I understand that maybe that time was good because a lot of things are changing uh in Supply chains in our how we're handling waste and so sometimes things need time um I hear the concerns from businesses and residents but also here the support we've all been to places that have already made this change over and they're in business and they're running uh we have a business here in in the community that actually inspired me to do this I went there to eat and I was served on styrofoam stuff just sitting in the restaurant with my friend and um they have in the intervening five years switched away from that for everything but their cups and really appreciate that uh business making those changes so I I mean I feel like this is going to start happening some on its own um we think about the the alignment you talked a lot about it uh but certainly we have the new state law thinking about Supply um we have Ramsey County working towards separation uh of waste streams um getting the Organics in line and uh available here in Roseville into businesses so I this is I think is a great time to be doing this for all of those reasons um we think about some of the education pieces are there ways that we can help even with little stickers you know recycle or things like that that go on them when you look at a specific business that has certain kinds of Cups and things that the pictures of their cups we've all been to places I don't know um maybe a sports stadium and they all have the St same kind of cup and they'll have that picture on there man that's a lot easier for you for our our brains right so thinking about pictures and thinking about as we're working with business helping tailor to the products they actually uh using it will help us all uh do a better job um I think that thinking about those time frames and thinking about Ramsey County's time frame and things like that may make sense for January 2026 as kind of a deadline for this so it gives a little more than a year by the time we would have the ordinance come back and approve it um at that point hopefully more of those systems will be in place and even if a consumer is throwing away a recyclable thing Ramsey County is going to be catching that more likely right so in the end we're going to get a lot more success uh towards our goals and towards our community's goals my hope is that by that point the supply chain might have shifted a little bit more where some of these products are becoming less expensive as the demand for them continues to grow too so all right so uh Council Guidance Do we want to uh bring this back for more discussion of an ordinance at some point uh do we need Are there specific items that we want staff to be looking at in the meantime or questions that we have that need to be answered uh or do we want to want to kind of table any real further in-depth discussion from this evening to another time uh to then provide that guidance to staff we certainly we've received a lot tonight um I you know we can we can do a lot of different things on next steps and so I guess the question is what does the council think that should look like I think we should move ahead I I would I would I read some of the openings but obviously not the part about the plastic utensils um and I did read that thank you I appre I noticed you noted that M I miss that um I pointed that out but I think we have something fairly robust something that's been worked through by other cities and practical things so I think taking maybe some of this feedback and thinking about a timeline if people agree with the time that I threw out um that um we can come back soon and move forward with an actual ordinance try to bring back an ordinance uh before the end of this year so that we have the one year implementation time I think I mean yes that's okay that's what I was trying to get us feel for y because if it was something different I wanted to understand that Council um for me um I want to make sure though the education piece is there you know having an ordinance is one thing but I would want to make sure that we have a system or I'd like to hear more about how are we going to get hit you know because if you look at this you see you know you know the survey was just in English and it was online and so how are we going to reach these other people how are we going to educate to get people ready I guess i' I'd really like to see that as the you know prequel to making sure that you know as we're putting this ordinance in place that we know we have a plan and how that's going to happen because I think that to me is going to be the key piece you know it's kind of like um again collaborative you know so and if people um aren't part of the uh process then then it's not collaborative so we need to figure out a way and it's and it's the businesses but we also want to make sure that we know how to um roll out the education for the consumers too so I mean that that's a piece that I'd really like to make sure we see so it's sounds like maybe two parallel paths is one towards bringing the ordinance back for our adoption or consideration and the second is an implementation plan that goes hand inand with that so we can talk about what we're going to do during that 12-month period and be fairly specific about several aspects that were brought up by council member Scher and others of us this evening does that make sense that's what I would agree because I see them it's very important council member to have that but I don't see that as being in the ordinance the educational part will be a right separate issue we need to address that but having a plan is important part of I would suggest that we bring it back same time both the education plan and the ordinance so you can consider that and Y I think you can call it an implementation plan because there's also going to have to be the discussion about how do we enforce it who does the work how are we paying for it and all these types of things too so there's there's that piece of it as well as the education side of it and I'd also like to know sorry didn't get recognized that's right um I'd also like to know what the um enforcement looks like if you know is it the plan goes into effect January 1st 2026 but then they have you know a six-month grace period before there's an enforcement or we don't know if what will happen with Ramsey County so we would revisit it at that time but knowing that it's coming in does that up afford some of these businesses an opportunity to start obtaining different materials from their National Vendors or um you know from the National Hotel chain or whatever I mean does it maybe it opens some doors that people haven't had access to but I want to make sure that it's not just about punitive I really think our goal isn't about trying to recoup some amount of funding but to really make sure that we're holding people accountable and we Prov provide them adequate opportunities to do the right thing and that's why I was recommending a full 12 month roll out period really to to really take a lot of time to reach those businesses in in Earnest so as I understand it if it goes into effect on January 1 2026 that's when people have to have their plans in place and theoretically have their products in use as to exactly when the enforcement happens after that I think with 180 businesses it's not going to happen in the blink of an eye anyway there's going to be a time frame to do that um and then I think the other piece of it that probably needs to be looked at is you know how do we how do we do that enforcement and you know is that 60-day period the right 60 you know and and what are the what is the structure of how we how we deal with minor infractions versus wholesale ignorance of of what we want and things like that so that's what I'm envisioning part of the plan would be that we'd be considering at the same time as the ordinance but the plan would be from what I understand from Council moretton that January 1st 2026 is the date that it is effective for our businesses and they have the year to do that and I I imagine if we put this in place and we get to a point next year and we realize it's not going to work either we can't get it enforcement in place or businesses can't get you know their stuff in place we could always change that that Effectiveness date through an ordinance change yeah C member EV I I would agree with everything you just said mayor um and you know if we want a topot enforcement sing Noel in I you know she's pretty mean and tough and I mean she's going to I think think she's going to approach very thoughtfully or whoever is going to think be very thoughtful in in how we address this so it's it's just all about relationship building and that's I've already been working with some restaurants and meeting with them one-onone to talk through some of what they're seeing what their products are are what they're already using what they would need to do to kind of bring themsel into enforcement and for purposes of argument um I know Edina enacted their ordinance I think in 2021 and then or 2022 and then the year later so it was in place and then they started enforcement a year later so that's kind of where that 12 month was inspired from so well I can imagine that maybe part of implementation to say hey we'll have a temporary Committee of some of our local restaurants to help advise the process or something like that too so absolutely all right well I think we got a good set of ideas and plans together and a good basis for an ordinance and I did provide uh staff some feedback on the specific potential for a loophole for caterers so I appreciate that the they worked with the attorney to come up with some possibilities there which can be part of what we talk about at the next time well thank you very much I appreciate the time thanks everyone for all the work on this and including the Public Works environment Transportation commiss absolutely they've been great right uh we are a little bit behind but hopefully we can catch up here a little bit uh uh the next item under business items is uh item 7B which is to consider authorizing staff to begin a vacation process for excess right of way uh along the north side of South mccarrons Boulevard and we have our Public Works director and C engineer Jesse frymer with us this evening uh to initiate this uh thank you mayor and Council um so we've been Pro over the last two years we've presented uh numerous vacations of areas uh one area we did not have but we've had numerous issues or concerns that have been brought up that we thought we should bring bring back to you guys is uh South M Karen Boulevard um this is a very unique RightWay um we're looking to potentially vacate some of the excess RightWay we have from roson Avenue um all the way over to rough G Street um we're only looking to do the north side um not the South Side the north side is the the side we have more issues on um but uh like I had mentioned this is a very unique RightWay uh it varies in width but in some cases it's 99 ft wide which is very excessive um the average the typical city right away is 60 or 66 feet depending if it was a County Road or a city how how we acquired it um and then in 2021 with The Enclave uh development plat which is just to the east of G here um we did vacate excess right away on the South Side there and we retained 33 ft um from the center of the existing roadway which is kind of what we're leaning on um keeping if if we move forward with this process um one of the other reasons for the need uh the excess RightWay does cause ownership issues with residents um ownership on boulevards is already confusing to Residents and when we have 40 feet they don't think they have that so people put stuff in it's hard to enforce there's a lot of ex uh also a lot of extend or existing encroachments so it's already out there that it's a problem and once one person has a fence or retaining wall or other stuff it just Builds on each other um and then the city the biggest need or the biggest reason we're we're looking to vacate it the city has no need for this much right away um is not needed for any public purpose um in general 33 ft would meet the needs of the city um for most areas this would keep about 6 ft um behind the existing pathway that is located on the entire North Side so that should cover us and then we would work if if this moves forward we would work with our surve and staff to confirm that if we need to make any adjustments maybe we need 40 ft because of some Oddball thing but um that's kind of it so just real quick I just wanted to just show a couple highlights uh since I did have a few questions so the area um kind of hatched in red is kind of what would be vacated back to Residents and this is assuming that the 33 ft would stay so this is near 450 One South mccarrons um so this varies this is probably like 10 to 16 ft um 363 mccarrons same thing it starts in the west about 10 ft would go back but you get all the way to the east side of the property and you're probably at 25 30 ft W um and then this is kind of uh in front of a bunch of homes currently these are a lot of Lakeshore properties as you can see there's a lot of existing private encroachments within this and this is about 20 to 25 ft that would potentially go go back to property owners and just to be clear what you're showing with the red is what is what would be vacated that is the excess right away so we vacated this is what the city would be giving up so we'd maintain to the south of the red correct got it okay thank you and then 257 mccarrons um we discussed this a few months ago but there there a lot of excess there but uh like I said approximately 6 feet behind the path so um already some existing improvements there so um if the motion is approved tonight uh staff would work with a surveyor we would Define the center of South McCaren Boulevard that would help us Define what we would vacate so we'd vacate everything theoretically excess of 33 ft from Center Line uh we would set the public hearing and Ma mail notices to the affected residents um and then hold the public hearing we would like this likely will not occur in the short term this will probably happen in sometime 2025 um and then a four fist vote would be required since this is a city would be a city initiated vacation so with that tonight's the request of council action is to consider a motion authorized staff to begin vacation process to vacate excess right away on the north side of South McCaron Boulevard between roson Avenue and Galer Street so with that I can answer any questions the council may have questions from the council uh Council strong thank you um Mr frymer can you go back a couple slides um there nope the one you were just at um if we were to return the right away which some people have already sought to return um with those um Properties or pieces of land that are on the Lakeside be available to be sold individually I know one of them is currently for sale uh just the lake proper just the lake access oh yeah those are currently individually platted Lots this would just ex make those lots larger okay went so they are not they're they're already owned by Property Owners okay they're not uh I assumed through from 3:30 to across the street no they're individual I think some of those are individual lot IDs some of them are through though some might be through but some I think are also individual lot and some are through with people split them and and sold half or you know maybe they had 50 ft and they sold off so they have 25 they kept and 25 they sold and they all kinds of funny ownership situations there the vacation process would not affect ownership okay all it would do is give some property that's currently owned by the city back to those proper thanks y right uh other questions from the council is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak to this item does not appear to be the case uh sorry that looked like there are some questions I was just going to say that there is a we're sort of approving a small cost for surveying yeah yeah so uh we will have we will encour some costs with this we we have on a few other ones but this one might be a little more yeah significant than what our typical vacation is just because it we uh we have to define the the center lines we have something to to vacate so on a cur Road yep counc Bron i' would like to make a motion to approve this vacation process second it's been moved by council member at and seconded by council member gra to uh initiate the vacation process as requested uh discussion on the motion as the maker of the motion council member Aton no I think just makes a lot of sense and appreciate uh the ongoing work that will happen here great as the second or council member gra yeah I think this makes a lot of sense as you said uh Mr fmer you know the goal of the city is not to own property that we do not really have an intended use for and it should go back to the owners other discussion on the motion Council M Scher you know I know we've been cleaning up this all over the city so I see this as just another piece of doing this um so I think it's a good idea that we continue to get this cleaned up so thank you great any other discussion on the motion uh the only thing I would observe is I think in some rough calculations using satellite imry which is now as accurate it appears that a couple of properties along uh that stretch who are currently not in conformance with our setback requirements for the the homes themselves would uh come close to if not into compliance with that uh through this action which is not a bad thing to do either so all all in all good good effort so we've got the motion before us once again to authorize staff to uh begin the process uh to vacate the various properties various uh rights of way here or easements on this section of South mccarrons as outlined uh if there's no further discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed that passes unanimously and that authorization is given that brings us to our next item under business items which is item 7 C uh which is to consider entering into a Professional Services agreement with inspiring site for strategic planning Services uh these folks were with us at our last meeting on the 5th to uh get Council approval to initi apprciate the process to enter into the contract now we have the contract before us I'll turn it over to Mr TR to introduce uh the proposed contract and any other items related to it uh as to strategic planning thank you Mr Mayor as you mentioned we did talk about this at our last meeting and uh the council did direct staff to bring forward a Professional Services agreement with inspiring site to conduct a strategic planning uh process and uh in the intervening time uh assistant city manager Olson and myself met with the consultant to just go over the scope I would note that the only scope change from the original proposal additional $375 to allow for the consultant to reach out to a newly elected council member uh during the process to provide some background get some feedback um so the base cost of this would be $ 28,8 se5 also on the fifth we talked about probably a need to have an optional session for implementation uh once the plan is approved approved uh there's a small chance we could maybe get there uh in four strategic planning sessions but we want to provide the flexibility so I'm asking uh the council to approve the professional service agreement uh for a cost to not exceed $33,135 that adds 4,300 to that base bit just in case uh we do need uh to to use that so the agreement is in uh the packet and we're asking for your approval secondarily uh and perhaps more importantly for tonight is we need to talk through some dates um it's kind of hard when we have multiple schedules and we've been uh narrowing it down um and I also want to talk about the format a little bit so I don't know if you want to take some action first and then talk about um some of those things or just why don't we go ahead yeah is first as to the entering into the contract uh unless Council feels that we can't do that until we settle dates I'm presuming not okay as to entering to the contract were there any questions from the council Council gra when you were um mentioning the additional cost to interview uh potential council member is that after the election or before it' be after the election so after November 5th otherwise it would be three we'd have to all right uh any other questions otherwise is there a motion as to entering into the contract as outlined so moved second right it's been moved by Council M ston second by Council M Scher to authorize entering into that contract as outlined for the net to exceed 33175 discussion on the motion as the maker council member strong I appreciate how thorough um this proposal is and how um delineate is it's rare that I've seen a contract with so specific of outcomes and processes and I appreciate that and hopefully we'll be able to keep up our end of the uh of the planning process right and as the Secor council member schroer right any other discussion on the motion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed that passes unanimously uh that contract is approved now as to dates and some other processed questions I'll turn it back over to Mr Tron to guide us through that thank you Mr Mayor so as you know uh under the scope there is a department head focus group and a city council focus group first before we kick off and then there will be four sessions with department heads and city council uh the department head group will be able to meet for the focus group on September 10th um we had thrown out a date uh for the council focus group and that will not work we need to come back and talk about those dates the same is for the first session um of the joint strategic planning we do uh I'm happy to report have two dates that we all can appear to make that's October 24th that would be the second session and November 13th third session and I would just note if we decide something tonight I'll follow up with all of you with all these dates uh again via email so we also don't have consensus on the fourth meeting the last date in December so in uh reaching out to all of you um it look like potent there is potential of September 25th or October 1st being the opportunity for the city council focus group I know uh council member gra hasn't be able to look at a schedule uh yet but those were dates I could see from consensus depending on the time of day uh and we should talk about that here in a bit but um so that is potential for dates on the uh first session um I know four of you can make October 11 and uh the same for the December 18th session for number four it looks like four that did respond could make it I know that might be an issue for Council Members um graph there is a possibility we can move that session four into January um and that would have the new council member um U be part of that um if scheduling is going to be too hard in December so let back up so the first uh focus group let's see if we can find a day on that from what I saw September 25th and or October 1st would work as a date do you have a times I do not um something up here they said between 3:00 and 7:30 they have space yeah so the consultant um said between 3: and 7 so it' be kind of late afternoon into early evening that works for me I could do that works for me me I would know the rosille business council is that morning so it's probably we're going to attend that we have a board meeting at noon there you go yeah yeah so later in the day makes sense then yeah um would um 300 p.m a Time duration expect before before hours 3 to 7 and that's for the 25th that would be for the 25th isn't this first one two and a half hours I'm sorry two and a half hours yeah the thank you yeah yes and that would just be the council yeah so that'd be my shorter still 300 p.m. could we do 4 do 4 4 would be better for me as well okay so 4 to 6 6:30 yep that would be bids okay thank you for that so now we need to talk about the first session um and if we don't want to use October 1st because that's a pretty quick turnaround U look like October 11th I think once again depending on the timing um would be the date that most of you appear to make and that would be in the late afternoon again right we can certainly make it late in afternoon or I mean I just I'm fine from like 1:00 on they put in 1 to 5 as their time slot yeah I'm okay with that that's on the 11th yeah Friday I think that was fine with me everybody else can do that I think that can work October 11th 1 okay that's a Friday yes yeah we'll be motivated to be done it be pretty fun and then the last one uh this is going uh very smooth so thank you uh the December date the last session we had chosen in December with probably the goal to kind of have it wrapped up with this Council by the end of the year knowing that it will lead into next year for implementation um I think there is some conflicts with council member gra I can't make it duration so do we want to look at moving that one to January counc as the one I'm sure is not going to be there in January I think it makes a lot of sense to include a new council member in that and that uh that week is going to be even in those who have said yes it's it's just a crazy time of life um so I think there are some good reasons to punt that fourth session to January um yeah yeah so if that's agreement I can check with the consultant and throw out some more dates but we we have um and we'll resume for those who might be on Council we' be resuming on January 6th yeah we have meetings on the 6th and the 13th but not the 20th for M day yeah right probably have one on the 27th so to recap the department head group would be in September M 10th uh the city council focus group would be on September 25th 4 to 6:30 the uh session number one would be on October 11th 1:5 we have not set the times for the October 24th or the November 13th and then we are going to move the four session until January to TBD date can you give me that date and in November again November 13th you're going to follow up with all these dates yeah yeah yeah I'll I'll I'll summarize these and send them out to the council um so October 24th and November 13th um and I don't have in front of me what the availability of the consultant but is later in the afternoon into the early evening best for the Council on the 13th yep or or the uh both those October what was the the 13th or the uh 13th or the October 24th October 24th is session 2 November 13th is session number three later and the day is better for me on the on both those days well I can do it I guess I'll just have to not go to the RC LG pumpkin Kina oh darn yeah on the 24th I'd have to rework some stuff but afternoon tends to be better for me than morning what's a good time three four we can have uh some meals provided so if it's 4 hours we better say three I don't think we want to start at 4 yeah with 3:00 be good for both those sure yes okay as I said I will follow up we might have some flexibility as we get closer if there's something that does come up but 3 to S on those days sounds like we have our our dates and times I appreciate that so except for the fourth one yeah we'll we'll come back on that at some point um so uh it is the suggestion of the um consultant to um have space that is usable and a little bit more compact in the council chambers we've looked at the Willow Room downstairs uh and we can also consider U maybe the Fireside room over the oval if we wanted to do that but it was suggested that we have a room that's got walls and things that we can use um and a little bit more comfortable than Chambers so that would be her suggestion and I would concur and I just want to run that by the council and make sure you're comfortable aside issue on that is whether or not you want these to be videotaped um we can accommodate videotaping through our communication staff and it won't be broadcast live but we could post it for a later playback or not we still have to take minutes of the meeting it's it's a meeting for the council but um I throw that out to all of you for some discussion well certainly our rule is that we do broadcast our meetings actually live if we can I think is how the rule reads and so we would have to make an exception for this sure from that perspective Council thoughts councilman BR I think it would be really really hard to record a session like this if there are things going on the walls and people are talking in small groups and so obviously it needs to be open to the public it is open to um as as we would always be required um but I I don't know how we can record in a way that would be uh meaningful or even accurate to what's actually happening because of the interplay that would be happening in different ways in different parts of the room if they're looking at putting things on walls and people you can see people going and put up stickers and stuff and were you video you know recording at that point so I think I don't see this as a practical thing to video record and there will be probably small breakout groups throughout the the session too as people come up and work on is so that will report back of course but that's be but that would be in the minutes I mean well I think the minutes only have to say essentially what action was taken oh I see I think it' be very general wouldn't be any action really because it's strategic planning so it would be very broad is my expectation of what minutes would be it's not going to be a transcript of our conversations because that would even be difficult to do just because of the format in itself and and I would say even though this is a meeting obviously whenever you guys gather it's it's a meeting but it's not a traditional type of meeting and it's a a meeting to allow for Creative Solutions and thought to come on out uh there will eventually be regular public meetings such as this where there'll be consideration of the final product and adoption and ability for folks to weigh in if they would like this is just the formulation part of any objection to not having the meetings recorded they would still be open to the public of course and we want to make sure we accommodate that in whatever room our site we're in the dozens of people who will be here course that just jinx this does that make sense right doesn't seem to be any objection from the council to not record these okay right wonderful I think that is all I need we narrow down the dates and the times I will follow up with the council and confirm again with everybody and we'll go from there just confirming we do not need to be present at the department heads meeting on September 10 you do not sorry unless no but yeah yeah that's for time for the department and then similarly the council will just meet with them with the consult right very good thank you again uh and we look forward to those sessions uh and I think it was very appropriately said that we need to hold up our end of the bargain as Council in this whole process here so the pressure is on us um that brings us to our uh last business item under Section 77d which is to cons to receive the 2025 city manager recommended budget and tax levy and I'll give the council the option we are 10 minutes before our normal break time we can take a break before this item or after let's take a take it all right why don't we take about a five minute break we'll uh take this item up after the break thank you I was poking around on here and I like I'm e e e e e e e e e e e e e e we had more questions bu we're we're back from a short break here uh and ready to continue with our meeting and we are once again on item 7D under business items which is to receive the 2025 city manager recommended budget and tax levy uh and uh correspondingly for this item I will turn it over to the city manager to make the presentation thank you mayor o members of the council I'm happy to be here tonight to talk about my proposed 2025 budget for your consideration and I I know you are well aware of what tonight is and the process moving forward but just to recap we are just receiving the information uh here tonight there is uh a needed um decision at the end of September for the not to exceed Levy and budget with the eventual adoption of the budget for 25 at our December uh 2nd meeting so we have several months before we get to the final uh process so no decisions are going to be made in the packet there is a lot of information for all of you uh to go through that will probably take some substantial time to digest so certainly we're available for questions as you get deeper and deeper into it and as we bring this back for further conversation There's an opportunity to talk about uh that uh tonight just a couple uh quick um overriding comments on this budget this budget does maintain all of our existing programs so no programs have been cut uh we continue to see some general inflationary pressure but less than the past couple years but it is uh still a factor in some of our costs biggest cost drivers each year in the budget is relating to personnel as you know last year we had a very substantial increase due to the implementation of the classification and compensation study and that's been uh implemented as part of the 2024 uh budget however uh as uh we did adjust the the classification and compensation of of employees there are probably more employees than in the past that are receiving step increases due to the kind of the Readjustment uh in the past some more were maxed out so that continues to be a large Factor um in uh the cost drivers for the budget so uh my recommended budget strategies are very similar in fact they're the same from last year we want to continue to provide for a modern and sustainable infrastructure we want to continue investment uh to maintain our city programs and our Workforce and then really focus on strategic use of grant funding um I will speak more to each of those uh strategies shortly and go into great detail already in the budget memo but let me provide you just some general overview of the numbers tied to the budget so the total budget is proposed to be 73,4 110,00 I would note that the budget percentage increas is due to increases in Personnel costs and Supply costs as well as increased Capital Equipment purchases the Capital Equipment uh purchases does fluctuate every year depending on what our needs are so that's the one that moves the needle quite often on the budget and we'll have some slides here showing how the budget's looked over the past couple years as you can see the largest cost for uh the city is its personnel which comprises about 41% of the overall budget now looking at um kind of where that money um um comes from uh gives you a good idea of where it comes from the table at the top of the slide shows a breakdown on how City funds are spent our biggest expenditures um I'm sorry these are Revenue news uh I got my wrong notes there uh comes from property taxes uh but we do have significant program Revenue uh primarily for the utilities the water sewer and storm uh those are the fees that are charged uh but we are proposing that uh we um get about 30 million uh from property tax levy a revenue of another 39 million uh from various charges and then also use some other miscellaneous sources that help feed the budget into 7 73.4 million I think I skipped a slide no I did not okay my apologies so um the budget here this is how it's looked over the years from 2021 was 63.2 to 73.4 uh as you know the budget does fluctuate uh each year due to Rising costs as well as capital expenditures the uh budget uh itself shows the levy uh total amount um and that goes from 23 m ion almost 24 million in 2021 to 30.2 million uh do that's about increase of $1.4 million in the overall Levy from last year as you look at the percentage increase on the levy increase uh we fluctuated uh from 4.67 to 8.99% last year I am proposing to have a levy increase as part of this budget at 5.17% the next slide will show kind of a high uh overview of uh some parts of the budget here uh you can see where the budget is being put to use uh police uh at $13 million um fire at 6.1 parks and wreck at 10.6 Public Works and facilities at 10 million dollar kind of the general government the 5.1 biggest expenditure uh by far is the water storm and Sewer um part of the budget of $20 million and then we have some other which includes um license center planning inspections and some Tiff dollars of the $30 million of Levy um for this uh 2025 budget 24.3 million will go towards operation 3.7 towards capital and then we have some remaining Debt Service of 2.2 which is um I believe the fire station and the park improvements done several years ago so as we look at my Levy proposed Levy increase um uh we are showing a $ 1.48 eight million Levy increase um um and these categories as I use um you'll see more greater detail but for new Personnel 194,000 for compensation adjustments that is both a cost of living increase of 3% as well as steps uh that employees will get both Union and non-union of $939,000 and then 354,000 that covers everything else from supplies operations and our contracts so as I said that leads to a 5.17% levy increase as you know as we experienced last year we don't have full information from the county as we speak here today about what that Levy impact would be on the median valued home would note that the overall market value did go up by 1.1% in entire Community we did see um our uh median value rise uh from 3.03% from $349,900 to $360,500 I believe the finance directors are having a meeting at the end of the month um will they get the final pieces of data from the county and once we get that we'll update this report and send that information out to you so you have a sense of um kind of what that means to um the IM median valued home uh as part of this budget uh we do have a couple new charts this year based on previous Council in discussion and Direction uh this chart shows a breakdown of Revenue the city received to fund its operations since 2016 as you can see the largest uh sources are tax levy and charges for services so that is the brown and uh the blue uh colors uh and very interesting note as I looked at this a little bit closer is that uh you can see kind of that yellow mustardy color uh that's Grant dollars or intergovernmental Revenue you can see postco we had a large amount of those and now they're shrinking we're still planning on using some of those and previous to 2020 they were they were there but they were very small numbers so it's just interesting to note that uh the uh expenditure uses um and this show those that are biggest expenditures are for personnel and capital expenditures I'd like to note a couple things about this chart first thanks to the mayor for helping us uh rearrange the colors on here so maybe it read a little bit better appreciated his technical assistance as we did that interior design work yep he I didn't choose the color but just the order and how it showed and part part of the reason that's the second Point uh that we had to do some rearranging and it was a really great suggestion is if you look further to the left we have those large greens bars those Stacks that's the broad category we had of other based on conversation we've broken that up um so now we uh have a smaller other category and uh we um are now using uh utilities as a separate uh category that's that orange and contractual Services which is that kind of light blue we did go back about four or five years to try to break that apart um and that's as far as we went at this point that so gives you some sense of Trends over time here so so just want to call that out as we move forward here we'll have better data to back that up uh year after year to see kind of where we fluctuate on that we uh as I mentioned in my memo we uh will be adding more charts as we get more information on this um we want to make sure that we uh can adequately produce the charts and they are meaningful so as we go along if you have suggestions on them please feel free and we can continue to uh work on them in future years as well so uh the first budget strategy I would like to talk about is regarding the invest m in infrastructure as you know each year we do look at our Capital needs and look at what adjustments we need to make we try to um uh truth the actual costs uh that we need to have and double check to make sure we need the capital expenditures even if we've been planning for something for several years if we don't need it um we can move that back and sometimes there's things that break and we have to move forward here so each year we do look at that typically in past years we've known we needed to pay a lot of attention and that means adding new Levy dollars or finding additional Levy dollars to put towards that so we can um sustain that uh for this budget cycle I am proposing that we use some existing fund uh balance in the cash Reserve fund I would note that is former Levy dollars that we have on hand as each year you know we sweep dollars from certain funds if they're above and I think we have about 900,000 or so uh in there I am proposing to use 500 and 25,000 to put in some key um Capital funds to help uh sustain those this is onee funding so it's not sustainable in the sense Beyond this we're going to have to look at Levy funds but in order to try to provide a budget that I thought was responsible and uh could address all of our needs this seem like a good use of those funds there will be some remaining funds left in the cash Reserve fund that we do want to reserve just to make sure if we need to help out our general fund by the end of the year uh we're tracking pretty close to the minimum so we want to be cognizant of that and that's certainly a future policy conversation we'll bring forward on that um moving forward so the the five funds or uh five funds we're bringing forward are uh for the police vehicle fund at 200,000 the Public Works vehicle and Equipment fund for 150,000 the Parks and Recreation vehicle and Equipment fund for 50,000 Street Light maintenance for 25,000 and then the pathway and parking lot maintenance fund 4 100,000 there are charts uh in there that kind of shows you what the balance is after the fact and we did talk a little bit about this at the July 17th uh city council meeting um so this has got a lot of information uh we go into detail in my memo about all these different uh positions and these costs and there's a lot of information on here so I'll just try to be very general and certainly be happy to answer any questions uh on this so this really shows you where the um um impact to the levy comes from all $1.48 eight million is shown on the sheet as far as uh the cost so this covers reclassification of personnel new Personnel compensation of adjustments as well as increased cost for supplies operations and contracts under the reclassification of employees uh we have a part-time Forester going to full-time uh using Park maintenance fund uh uh remaining funds increasing three 3/4 positions in the LI license and passport center to full-time and adding one more 3/4 time position into the passport side uh all using the license center fund and increasing funding to allow for more hours for the two fire cep positions but using public safety Aid if we need those funds for the new Personnel I am creating two new positions which existing employees will move into and not increase their overall employee uh account that would be the accounting manager the uh current accountant would move into that position we would not add another body that position would just move over to that and similarly for the recreation manager the recreation supervisor for the golf course be retitled to the recreation manager and have a little bit more oversight as I described so that's not add any another body that's moving that existing position into that the the positions that are actually adding uh actual bodies are are two um in some sense and two more I'll talk about here in a second so one is for a housing officer fire inspector that will take over the inspection duties that currently are firefighters do this will be a civilian position that will help both with a fire cat as well as the multif family housing as well as the hotel uh licensing that is fully funded uh uh through the use of a levy uh increase we also are proposing to increase our leadership staff in the police department by adding one new lieutenant that we probably want to start calling a commander uh position to be uh similar to other uh agencies this person would oversee a lot of the administrative duties including the training the Recruitment and compliance uh that is necessary for the police department to do I proposing to uh us to be able to ease into that to have half of that come from new Levy dollars and another half from Public Safety Aid two other positions uh that we have related to the police department are two mental health coordinators as you know we have three social workers that work for the police department one is fully funded by Ramsey County uh second one is funded by arpa dollars the former covid dollars we also have um um from um people's Inc uh third social worker that's partially funded by people's Inc as well as arod dollars as we um move forward into 2025 the the contract with Ramsey County ends the funding from Ramsey County ends the arpa funding ends as well so we need to find some new strategies I think we can all agree that the social workers are really integral to what we do now as the police department so uh we are proposing to have two a city employees going down from three to two um and looking to fund that uh here initially uh with um some remaining arpa dollar some op settlement dollars that we have as well as Public Safety Aid we still have enough to make that happen uh the police department as you know has been really good uh about getting grants and we are currently uh going to be applying for a grant to fund I think it was $200,000 worth for um um um a mental health coordinator social worker over 18-month period so that would go a long way towards covering one we're really hopeful for that we've been really successful but we can't count on that right now so I did leave room in the budget that we can cover it other ways if that doesn't happen obviously moving forward we're going to have to um uh find some other uh funding sources we'll continue to look at uh grant funding uh but also we'll apply have to consider Levy funding one thing I would mention and thank you for council member etton for bringing this um to my attention we actually U earlier this year agreed to uh uh have um Rosell uh pay for two police officers that was not part of the 24 budget we' kind of Incorporated that in 24 budget but technically there are new employees uh on the budget in 2025 all those costs are are 100% paid U by rosale so it's no n increase to Levy but just wanted to acknowledge that as we kind of do the employee count uh moving forward here so that's why that's not a net increase in 25 because it was already in 24 yeah technically I I I probably should have mentioned it more directly in in in my presentation and so it was a good good call out so you see that box in the lower right um I originally said we have six FTE uh coming in but you add the two FTE so that's eight um but of the levy support are only one and a half FTE is Levy support the remaining uh six .5 are funded from some other sources grants um uh or from rosale so that's a good good um call out and then you can see the step increases and the cola increases what they cost as well as the supply uh costs and operational and contract cost so just before you leave that previous slide yeah um the column that's not Levy supported adds up to about 923,50 for folks to maybe keeping track yep y thank you and I would say each year um you know the the use of Grant funds is pretty unique U we've been doing this for the last three or four years because of the dollars available I would say the compensation adjustments we always have some of that being paid from um nonlab resources from the utilities for the step increases in the cola so that's pretty normal but the stuff above that is is something that uh it's not too normal and we'll cease at some point here so we talked about this already a little bit but as far as the use of grant funding looking to use arper funds we have about $188,000 left uh this would go towards the mental health coordinator positions the opioid settlement uh funds uh we have probably over 100,000 right now uh we targeted 50,000 uh to use here given the amount of work that they do with drug addiction especially uh with opioids um it's real appropriate to use those dollars um and then the public safety Aid total with the um mental health coordinator ERS uh police department commander and the uh fire department Cadets add up to 328 we hope to lower that by getting some grants uh for the mental health coordinators but we can demonstrate in this budget that we have the funding to for those positions and I would say too that we still have commitment to diversity uh positions available uh we have never had a need to use them um which uh when we first created it we thought we would but given the the churn and U police and even fire to some extent we haven't used it we do anticipate at some point we will be using them uh we hope to use them uh but I feel given the the short time frame that we'd probably need to use them that we can uh find a way to fund those through um either other salary savings from the apartments Andor from some general fund balances we'll have to make that decision as we get a little closer to that being a reality and just on that note did we not for at least a couple years have Levy dollars that went into the essentially went into the fund balance because we weren't using them for those we did we did and for 24 some dollar y that's correct and then in 2024 we have designated Public Safety Aid in fact I think my next slide shows that um and we had not touched that um this year yet so on the table on the left is kind of all of our Public Safety dollar expenditures uh to date we received $1.59 million and you can see uh after U the um 24 budget we uh had $176,000 remaining if we add back the unspent uh Comm to diversity positions that gets us nearly $400,000 remaining Public Safety Aid the uh table on the right shows how that would be used part of the 2025 budget if we use every single cent of those dollars we would have about $70,000 left at the end of 25 so uh we would have some remaining dollars but uh not much to move forward with um and I do want to call out uh that uh using these Grant funds do have future impacts uh down the road uh last year we had several that are now part of the levy um and once again these are familiar we've been talking about them the fire department Cadet hours increase we're using public safety dollars we'll have to fund that through levy on dollars uh and once again that's going to be kind of as as need basis but uh we want to make sure we budget for it uh the police uh Department Lieutenant Commander position the half FTE cost we need to put back on the levy the mental health coordinator positions coming from three pots arpa Public Safety a and the opioid dollar that'll have to be put down on the levy obviously uh we'll look for Grants along the way on that but that uh just want to make sure we all clear about $400,000 we'll have to uh add to the levy next year if we don't find alternative funding sources right out of the gate as we talked about the 2026 budget so upcoming dates um actually I'll be going to the finance Commission on Thursday to present the budget they'll come back to all of you on September 16th with a recommendation on the 23rd is that not to exceed um uh date for the cityian budget for the uh both the city and the Eda November 4th we're looking to review the utility rates and the fee schedule November 25th have the final budget hearing uh and then look on December 2nd uh to approve all those things the city the Eda tax levy and budget utility rates and fee schedule so once again in summary uh the budget is 73.4 million the total levies 30.2 million a 5.17% increase we're looking to maintain our programs on infrastructure and uh use uh and leverage Grant funds as much as possible biggest driver this year is really kind of the not the biggest but uh a big uh driver of cost increases are these uh different Staffing reclassifications and increases in hours and creation of new positions so with that I that was really quick I I know but there's a lot of information uh in the packet that we can certainly go back and and and highlight again but I'm be happy to answer any questions I would mention the department heads are all here so if you have any particular questions um in the but in the about those positions they're here to answer the memal are in there and I forgot to mention there was one position I did not um uh add that was a human resources manager position uh looking at that need is very much so but just felt I couldn't fit that into the budget and provide you what I provided you tonight so with that I'll stop and and be happy to answer any questions all right thank you Mr Tran uh questions from the Council on the proposed 2025 budget and tax levy Council M Sher re yes of course I have questions um actually first I just want to say thank you for breaking down that other category that was uh needed desperately and so that that makes it much more manageable so thank you for that um the CIP uh or the CPI um you know the capital Improvement stuff will the expenses be updated or changed anymore for this year I don't think so I think we've gone through it obviously when we actually um uh purchase things here in 24 if it's a different price that will be adjusted but the estimates moving forward um are kind of what we're I know head been been getting updated I just wanted to verify if the expenses were actually going to change before the end of the year okay nothing that we anticipate good and and the only other thing I'd say in that I know some of the um um money coming in isn't reflected also in the um spreadsheets in here I know there's um and we're being conservative with it just and it's more of a not so much a question just a comment for example on the street replacement fund um the the MSA Revenue stops at 2028 and so it's all zeros going forward but the odds are we probably would get something we just don't know what it is know what that amount is yeah so we'll get something in the future right but we also don't have the project costs in there going forward but again it's I think it mean we there's some of the do so so this so I guess my point being anything after 2028 we should it's not real viable right now as you look at the at the chart and things we need to add more a lot more data in there the revenue as well as the cost yeah so that that's so I just wanted to point that out that that that particular chart um you don't want to go too far with her at this point and then um the employees for the license center my understanding is they will also be creating more Revenue as well so so they so what's nice about that is that that's not only an additional expense but it'll bring in more Revenue to the city yeah certainly as uh we have more hours to process uh our applications we've been able to create another Lane in the passport center to have more throughput they those passport staff also do to commercial driver's license I'm um tabs U dealership dealership I'm sorry um and and that's kind of the back office thing so uh and U having more people to do that get through them quicker and get more more process which bring in some great revenue and passports does bring in a significant amount of Revenue uh as we capture uh our cost in that so so so yeah we've we know we're pretty confident that we'll get at least $100,000 of additional Revenue probably more than that to more than cover the cost but that's what we put in the budget excellent on that again I I had some other questions but I had already talked to both of you earlier they were just more technical things so thank you both for spending time and answering those so that's what I have all right thank you other questions council member strong uh yes and I had mentioned this too earlier today um asking about the HR manager and you had included that um and just I do know that there's a number of State um programs either slowly in going into place or um they're coming coming soon looming large um I just was wondering what the plan was for covering some of those things especially given that part of our um review of the city manager was U requesting more assistance from the assistant city manager and if the assistant city manager is having to do more compliance end of things how would that aspect of things be cover well it certainly doesn't address it uh very well because uh the city man assistant city manager will continue to be pulled uh in those directions um Beyond just the normal every year things of open enrollment and and U plan changes you have ESS which we have implemented but takes constant management you have family leave you have whole bunch of other mandates that will require U the assistant City manager's expertise for the time being I know we do need to head in that direction uh I just um couldn't find room in the budget uh given everything else certainly we can talk about adding that back in what that impact would be I don't have that in front of me um I I I think um I don't want to speak for the assistant city manager because she works extra hard to make sure everything is right on that but relief is needed and this is not sustainable for the long term we we try to use our existing staff as much as possible try to streamline processes uh we can certainly look at having some third parties come in and help us on some of those management and policy Creations but it comes down to some s just R up the sleeves and getting the work done on a day-to-day basis and that does take away from some long-term um long-term plans we're also seeing a significant and this has been going on three four five years uh turn in the workforce uh which takes a lot of time to get people uh offloaded and then on board people in going through the recruitment process and we tried to streamline those but uh every time we think we got a batch done there's more that come so uh the work is never ending so it's certainly a great need and I'd be happy to talk talks more about that if that's something the council wants to entertain but that's not part of my proposal at this point uh given trying to fit where I think uh the community can afford um in this budget thank you I I appreciate that and I appreciate your consideration but I just wanted to also make sure that we brought to the four that that was our Council expectation that there'd be more uh input from the syst city manager who can only be one or two people at once and not five or so probably just one mostly just one and just to be clear I think you know what the objective in the city manager review process was was to to get the assistant city manager into more of the long-term strategic activities and things like that not spending more time on on HR in case that wasn't completely clear from the back and forth year um so um other questions or comments uh council member gra uh reading through the information thank you to the the department heads for going through this twice because as I understood you know they had the original budget and then you asked them to go back and refigure and really look and they did find further savings because obviously what all of us want are good value for the residents of Roseville but we can't have our taxes going up higher and higher all the time so just that that comment that I know you've worked very hard on this budget and it shows um the other thing is um the costs of um employees obviously the comp study showed that we needed to make adjustments and those are showing up now and that should be no surprise but there are also costs when we don't have employee retention so I think that it's money wisely spent sometimes it looks like a big chunk of the budget but that's what really the services come from in our city and that's what the residents have come to expect and that's what we're all proud of here so those are just a CLE comments and obviously this is just accepting it and um yeah that's where I'm at with the thank you presentation today thanks council member thank you I agree with all of your comments there Mr G I appreciate those um I have um two things I'm going to throw out there to add to the budget the first one um is the organization Tubman who has come before us before um and I know we've had some discussions around where is the line between who we support and don't support with our city Tubman Works uh in the situation that they're looking for support they work directly with our Police Department in legal uh Aid and and assistance for people who are experiencing uh domestic abuse and sexual exploitation um and in speaking with the chief this was a valuable organization and uh they do have some dollars disappearing at the federal level and some State dollars for one year um as those things fluctuate in and out um some cities in the county have already given some money for this year and next um New Brighton has committed newly for 25 and 26 um some other cities like Maplewood are considering this I I throw it out there um the legal aid part this is not their total thing but the legal aid provided to Roseville residents is uh targeted at $44,500 I don't think that we're prepared to add something like that that much but I think it would be worth a discussion as to whether something or 20,000 was put in the budget for a long-term consideration so I think that's a policy discussion as much as that a dollar discussion um but I I uh I think it's really important to look at the county has chosen to not fund uh them Ramsey County um does not uh fund that at all versus uh hennipen and Washington County who are also served by Tubman we give significant dollar six figure uh dollars towards that so somewhere is going to have to make that up and it's a valuable service to people in some horrible situations the second one is even more popular um since I've been around and that's a little while because I'm the senior council member as some people like to point out um the council pay has not increased and that assumes that people just have money then to run campaigns to do life to cover child care they have two parent house like I did and my wife covered all kinds of time and things like that and I think that's an unfortunate um thing to just Bank on in the future if we want to continue to look at how our council is U made up um in the classification and compensation study of our peers uh we are in second to last place for mayor and we know we don't care about that but we're in last we're in last place for the council members our neighbor Maple would is more than double our salary and I don't think they do more than double our work so I think it's something that we should think about whether it's a a straight thousand whether it's let's start um following the cola of our of our city staff um but I think that needs to be put out there that it can't really stay stagnant regrettably I'm looking at like 17 18 years at least that has been the exact same and I think we need to consider how that could increase even if it's again going on Cola versus a big bigger jump this is not Hanan County 47% I think that's not a very good idea but I think there should be something in there that moves this forward I'd like to add to that um I have been working to convince um a person to consider running for um a place on our Council who would be fabulous and we all know this person and just saw this person the other day but in her wildest stream she can't imagine putting her time toward this with two two young children in a business and everything else at the price um so she's like well I guess I just have to Aspire to a higher office where I could maybe have a livable wage and so I I get that this nobody's going to get rich off this job but it's really cutting out on people who someone phenomenal I mean I I don't think any one of us would give have qualms about putting this person forward and thinking they would do a fabulous job for the city but um it is cutting down on young families and other people who have to deal with child care and other things like that and say and the cost of a um it's not cheap to run a campaign and you know so all those things too you have to figure out all that in um but I I I would not have considered it but not I also didn't look to see that we were last place but I do know that that has been things that other people have said when we' I've spoken to them to try to convince them to run and just to be clear the when you talked about the you talked about the pure cities the same cities that we look at in our staff compensation yes the cities that we looked at as part of that process last year and because we didn't do a we didn't do anything an analyzing the council salary in as part of the compensation study that was just I believe research as to the same cities and what their Council salaries are yeah and and and um Council Mar and I had a conversation a while back on this and uh at the time I had seen some information come from the city of Richfield who had been doing some research on the same thing here so I'm not sure it's a match to match necessarily I'd have to go back and look at all the cities again uh but the outcome is as councilman BR described we were at the bottom for Council pay whatever from those from those cities yeah those comparison cities yeah no I just wanted to clarify that for the public and understand that for us as well um and I also just did want to clarify on council member scher's earlier comments about the looking at the at the charts and graphs on it was on the capital fund and specifically the MSA Road fund Municipal state aid Road fund um mostly for the purpose of the minutes uh people that will be writing this up later just to clarify that point um other thoughts or information or requests from the council all right the one thing I did want to note and I had a brief conversation with Pat about this earlier today or electronic conversation uh was that I know in our earlier discussion this year about documentation and things like that one of the things we uh talked about was sort of the way that some of this information that's in the packet is organized sort of top level then by fund and and sort of down from there and and and linking it together more and that was one of the things that was something that will be happening it just had not happened yet as part of the uh this presentation this evening so I did want to note that for those who remembered that that that is something we would be looking for as as we go forward with our documentation uh and I got that commitment from Pat to make sure that happens so appreciate that if there's nothing else this evening certainly on the budget we uh do all of the dates that are listed maybe Pat if you can bring them up in the presentation again are opportunities for members of the public to weigh in uh on the budget uh uh you know like at any council meeting members the public can can provide feedback but we do want to note that we have all these opportunities as we go forward uh for members of the public to weigh in on uh the proposed budget uh perhaps some of the suggested changes in amendments uh and uh as we get closer to that final decision uh where we ultimately go so just wanted to highlight that for folks in the public again uh that there's a number of opportunities as the year closes out to uh to provide that feedback not to mention contacting individual council members Andor City staff about questions they have or suggestions thank you again uh thanks to everyone who's been working on this up to this point and we look forward to the next steps in the process all right that gets us back on time exactly uh and that brings us to consideration of a couple sets of city council minutes we have the minutes of our July 22nd 2024 council meeting as well as the minutes from our August 5th uh 2024 council meeting uh once again I believe we're going to have to split these uh forther consideration uh due to an exstension so uh is there are there any changes or corrections to the present presented minutes of the July 22nd meeting uh or a motion to approve as presented so moved second right been moved by council member Scher seconded by council member gra to approve the minutes of our July 22nd meeting all those in favor or excuse me any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed and I abstain that passes 4 to Zer with row in in exstension then we have our minutes from the August fth council meeting are there any uh further changes or Corrections or a motion to approve as present mayor that thing we just did we talked about the roll call and it says um doesn't mention that you were missing doesn't mention you were there but doesn't mention that you were missing where on the the 2 so I'm not listed in the attendees and you're not listed in the names so you were eliminated I don't know if it's important I just August 5th minutes so typically we at the top we say so and so was absent we don't record their vote saying that they're absent for each vote that's what we've done in the past so at the top where it says roll call yeah under the roll call yeah it doesn't show it yeah that's 19 through 21 should just be added there it just says acting mayor gr but it doesn't say anything absent mayor R it should say that yeah right you're talking about in in terms of the roll call at the start of the meeting line 21 listing the absent person yes uh is there any objection to making that change and adjustment to the minutes of the 22nd meeting no hearing no objections that's the direction to staff yep then we do have once again the meeting of August the minutes of our August 5th 2024 meeting are there any changes or corrections to those minutes or a motion to approve as presented so moved second right it's been moved by Council ratton second by Council M gra to approve the August 5th meeting minutes as presented uh any discussion on that motion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed that passes unanimously those minutes are approved that then brings us to the consent agenda Mr trean can you give us an outline of the five items on the consent agenda thank you yes uh mayor um fairly short s agenda item items uh item 10A approves payments the amount of 3,157 3230 item 10B approves massage therapy establishment for AA Hastings LLC to be located at 69 6 County Road B the applicant has passed a background check but given the circumstances surrounding the previous massage therapy establishment at this location a condition has been placed on the license uh issuance that the previous owner and applicant cannot be part of any part of that business item 10 C approves the purchase of new LED lighting inside the ice arena and LED lighting for the parking lots uh around the skating center item 10d approves an agreement to contract uh with reach for resources to provide inclusion support support to the Rell Park and Recreation Department for um inclusion into our recreational programs we've been working with them for that past couple years and have really made a meaningful impact U to participants item 10e then finally uh authorizes the issuance of a conditional use for outdoor storage of fleet vehicles at 2277 Highway 36 the Planning Commission did review this request at its August 7th meeting and recommended approval on a 7-0 vote and that is the consent agenda all right thank you Mr Tren are there questions on the consent agenda or a motion to approve as presented so moved second it's been moved by council member Scher second by council member St to approve the consent items uh as presented all those in favor excuse me any discussion on that motion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed that passes unanimously those items are approved that brings us then to Future agenda review Mr Tron uh are you prepared to provide those review of the future agenda for us this even sorry I forgot my mouse down there there we go all right okay so this is a busy week for the council um tomorrow night uh is a joint meeting with the rille school board uh at 6:30 I did send out uh the packet electronically there'll be paper copies at the meeting uh tomorrow for you can we clarify that's upstairs upstairs second level in the fa room they call it yeah on the 21st the council will meet again um to interview applicants for the equity and inclusion commission you should have received all that information it'll be here council chambers on September 9th then it'll be a next regular council meeting um only thing we have on there right now is uh appointments to the commission uh equity and inclusion commission we have some consent agenda items as well on the 16th there will um be an Eda meeting we'll talk about the preliminary Eda Levy and budget we've already seen that in July but just kind of wrap that conversation up and then look to enter into a Professional Services agreement with DCH regarding the housing needs study that you also have talked about in the past at the 16th a council portion of the meeting will consider that a work session we'll have the finance commission come and give their recommendation on the budget we'll also have um joint meeting with the Park and Recreation Commission I should say and then also discussed code changes regarding cannabis sale and manufacturer we want to start talking about that there's many layers to it and it's quite complex so we just want to kind of lay out some of those things it's more than just where we zoning it's also a lot of other decisions that the policy decisions Council needs to make on that so uh we'll lay that out for you and then on the 23rd as mentioned we'll have the preliminary City budget Levy all right thank you Mr Tren are there questions on the future agenda are there any announcements by council members or uh items requested for future council meeting agendas council member strong um I did ask uh Jesse F fry Hammer to seek out there is um um online there are signs in Falcon Heights that uh from issued by the state state faar that indicate that people should be kind to the neighborhood and so he's going to seek if those are available to people in Roseville as well especially those who um are near Park and rides and experience disruption uh good luck to all of us in the next uh 10 12 14 days um I'd like to Pro uh propose for uh 2025 that we consider res resolutions in September um acknowledging addiction awareness and suicide awareness month which both occur in September this comes with a support of um uh at least preliminarily from the chief um as these are items that are supported by our um cat team and I have um some our County Commissioner is also interested in doing some coordination of acknowledgement of that in the coming uh in the future so giving lots of lead time but as you see things happening this year maybe be aware of what how we might be able to incorporate that it's always nice to have an action that affiliated with a resolution if we were to adopt one we can put that on the um the future agenda chart or table or list or whatever it is and take it up at the appropriate time well in advance of September yeah right got a full year y That's why I mentioned it now wonderful Council M just a just a cal Calment on Saturday's event at Rice larpenter was really well attended I thought a very fun event for the community and it was fun to see so I think everybody made it there for a while and and um music was great the food was good and it's good to see people out enjoying themselves and interacting as community and only only a few raindrops fell at the very end it looks like just a tiny bit and at the beginning and when they were just to make council member an nervous nervous both those are different all right any other Communications or announcements from the council otherwise the only other item on our agenda is a motion to adjourn second second it's been moved by council member gra seconded by council member Ron to adjourn uh no discussion on a motion to adjourn all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed that passes unanimously and we adjourned at 8:41 p.m. thank you everyone