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Before we dive right into our presentation here, I do want to recognize Rashana, our intern from the Ward 7 office. And I know your internship will be wrapping up pretty soon here. You're going back to college. And so, um, thank you so much for doing roll call and assisting with today's budget committee. Can we all give Rashana a huge round of applause? Thank you. And um first on our agenda here is a presentation from our department of safety and inspection. So I'd like to welcome welcome up director IA Jang. I see many of our DSI staff and other department staff and guests in the room here today. So thank you all for joining us. I will hand things off to you. >> Good morning uh Vice Chair Yang, council members. I'm I Shang, the director of the department of safety and inspections, and I'm pleased to be here to present the mayor's off uh office proposal uh for 2027 for DSI. This is the agenda that we'll be going through. And before I go into it, um I want to thank the DSI team for um helping and the OFS uh department for um supporting us. Our uh mission at DSI is to promote safety and wellness where we live and work, prevent life and property loss, support neighborhood vitality, and promote equitable, innovative, and sustainable solutions that work for all. Um DSI uh provides a variety of services, and uh we're guided by um complex rules and regulations, and it can be complicated, but our budget is pretty straightforward. For 2027, our budget proposal focuses on um continuing the utilization of non-general funds, specifically the opioid uh settlement fund and the recycling and solid waste fund, which we'll go into later. Also, um and then maintaining our current revenue sources and the strategic utilization of vacancies for our 2026 budget recap. uh earlier this year um 380,000 of the housing and redevelopment authority funds was moved over to uh support the tenant protections work and I'll provide more information on on that program in a little bit. Uh that funding was to go towards materials and supplies and staffing. Um if you were to add up the numbers that's shown here, it does not add up to 380 because uh the staffing as seen here was adjusted for the 2027. Um and so uh the the staff it doesn't add up to the 380. We also have 100,000 that we um are putting towards solid waste and recycling fund and this is for um the trash collection recycling things that would fit into uh this type of service. The opioid settlement fund is used for heart for the five FTEES uh and for the remaining expenses that amounted to 621,910 for that fund. So recent initiatives that we have um Pauly is a citywide implementation uh for DSI it replaced the legacy uh software programs um was implemented last year. What we've seen so far, I just put some highlights here, was seeing about 99% of permits u being submitted online versus pre-poly was 55%. Um we also [clears throat] saw 2.84 million in online payments processed in the first year and uh earlier this year we migrated 4 million records from the old system onto the new. Uh there's still ongoing validation and we still have records that we still need to input and that will have an impact on our uh financing as we'll discuss later. Uh the funding for this >> Dr. Jeang, I'm going to pause you. I'll take a question from council member Kim. >> Just a quick one and it doesn't need to be answered in this moment. Um, but I'm wondering around sort of the uh ways that you because because so much of what Poly is being automated. What are the ways that you're working with other departments to uh to like compare notes and upload notes from other departments to the poly system? I've come across a few things just recently where you know notes from maybe SPD or from other departments would be useful in in the consideration of sort of those automated uh automated um approvals. Um so don't have to answer it today but just wondering like if part of the implementation is uploading information from other departments and how they can contribute to maybe um documentation for license conditions and things like that. So do not have to answer it now but like for respectfully submitting to you director. >> So vice chair Yang council member um I will uh touch on that later in one of the slides. >> Great. Um the funding that for the project is shown here from ARPA funds and we do have a project management contract that ends at the end of this year for um uh that service to help us with the poly implementation. This is not a general fund. We don't do a lot of capital projects within um uh DSI, but wanted to highlight this. Uh the budgeting comes from capital maintenance. Uh it's approximately 6.8. Um and what we wanted to show here is uh our animal services shelter is over 50 years old. Uh to rehab it would have been very costly and um not efficient. And so we are uh repurposing a parks building um to include improvements to the services that we provide and and to the shelter as shown here in what um some of the uh uh things provided at the new shelter is uh providing proper individual housing um isolation for uh housing for sick animals and really just improving the ventilation and air quality. It is expected to be open later this year and being managed by the Office of Financial Services. >> Council President Ner. Thanks, Chair. I'm curious, director, what happens with the old building? >> Yeah. Um, Coun, Vice Chair, Council Member, uh, the old building um is part of uh is owned by the city. Um, I think it will be reassessed by uh or re-evaluated with the office of um financial services with real estate. I don't know specifically the details of that and we can um let you know. >> Thank you. >> For tenant protections, as mentioned earlier, 380,000 was a onetime fund from HR H um to fund staffing and uh materials and support for it. Our goal here is to maintain meaningful tenant protections while aligning ongoing staffing with sustainable recurring funding. Um so far uh first it was uh effect went into effect in May of this year. Um so from May to July we've seen about 13 calls. It's still ramping up. Uh our focus has been on education and assistance and outreach. That's been our um main initiative at this point. uh for uh enforcement. Um the administrative citation will help inform that as we um continue to develop that as the program as the program continues to mature and pick pick speed up. Uh we'll be reassessing and re-evaluating to see what the actual workload is and case load and um depending on what that looks like, we will um look at the budgeting and see what kind of um impact that would have. So uh expenditures to date um from the HA funds uh just as of Q2 this is very high level uh materials and supplies are about 11,000 and this was um for the billboards uh if you walk around the downtown skyway you'll see those up there and then personnel as mentioned went into effect uh in May and so uh we have about approximately 60,000 um so far and the expenditures um additional expenditures to the end of this year um is about 100,000 in personnel and 10,000 in materials and supply. So approximately a little less than 200,000 will be um uh spent towards this program. Um and uh there is still like materials and supplies. This includes like translation um of things and uh updating our website. Um so as far as as long as we're still on tenant protection in the in this next slide just talking about uh what the proposed changes in regards to positions go um outlining this so that it makes sense. Uh in 2026 two positions was adopted and then uh mid year of this year earlier this year uh the HA changes um increased it uh by an additional three. So what the proposed changes for 2027 is to um reduce it by two which means the remaining in 2027 as shown on the last column is three positions in the tenant program. So if you look at the adopted 2026 to the proposed 2027 it's an increase of one position. Um so 3 minus 2 is one and that shows up in this next slide here. So you see here on the third line there, that's where that one additional FTE shows up. So for our uh proposed uh changes for 2027 on that first line, current service level adjustment, that spending piece is the citywide adjustments for inflationary increases. Um and then the financing piece is to reflect the historical um financing that we've seen in construction services. So it's not anything new. um is really just reflecting historical trend that goes along with the summary abatement on that second line. Um I'll have more to reflect on the on the next slide. But uh the spending here and the financing here is also not in introducing anything new. It's uh reflecting what the historical trend has been and making those adjustments to reflect it moving forward. Director John, I have a couple of questions for you about tenant protections. The positions in this table here, like whether it's 2026 or 2027, the focus of those staff, it's solely tenant protections work. Is that right? Or or are they delegated other buckets of work not related to tenant protections too? >> Yeah, council member uh or vice chair Yang. Uh that's correct. Uh tenant protections and rent stabilization. >> Okay. And can you talk about the impacts of what that staff reduction would mean for next year then? >> Yep. Um so in this slide here uh what we have seen so far is really a slow ramp up of the program if if any at all really at this point. It's more about the outreach and the education piece of it. Um what uh the positions that we are seeing uh we're proposing to reduce um can be uh one of them is a customer service rep which can if we should see uh any ramp up of um services needed um we can uh utilize other customer service reps um and so there can be that spread around. I think that it really right at this point in time we we are um really uh we don't know what that would look like in regards to like the volume of it and if there is an increase in volume we we'd reassess and reevaluate at that time. >> Okay. Thank you council member Buouie. >> Thank you chair Yang and then thank you so much Director Jean. Sorry for coming a little late. We had some visitors earlier but this was um really anticipated conversation. I have um two questions related to the the FTE changes. Um the first one on the vein of the tenant protections, can you speak to um for the positions that's going to be um added for next year? Um how do you see kind of like where that fits in the organizational chart of like DSI? Um, and since you mentioned like it's more so like educational and outreach based, um, if you can also speak to like what like what additional FTEES to like supervise. Is it like a manager? Is it a deputy director? Um just because you know as someone who has a lot of um questions related to tenant protections it's always helpful to kind of know like where you know that person who will be like the front-facing um position like and who actually um manages that position. So, [clears throat] Vice Chair, Council Member Buouie, um what you see here is the uh positions uh management assistant 4, the management assistant three, and then the customer service representative and the proposed um positions that are to be reduced. Um this does not result in any um positions with layoffs. It's utilizing a um position that will soon to be vacant. Um and so the management assistant will still provide that um uh higher level oversight and um supervision of of that program. So the services is not going to be um uh impacted in that way. >> And I just have two quick follow-ups related to that. Um can you share how many management assistance the DSI already has? Um, Council Member Yang [sighs and gasps] and Council Member Buie. I'm not I don't know off the top of my head. Um, I believe these are the only ones, but we can uh provide that correction or update. >> And then my last question, at least for this, um, time for the customer service representative, you know, since I've been a council member, um, you know, I would say when it comes to customer service, like that has always like it's always been like the top up. Um I have seen really positive response um swift response um and I can really see a benefit for you know maintaining the customer service representative position. But if you can speak to how the um department plans to absorb you know that that row um and how do we keep you know continuity around just making sure that we have a a good responsiveness to um to some of our constituents. Uh, Vice Chair Yang, Council Member Buouie, uh, the customer service representative, um, off the top of my head, I don't recall like the number of, um, of staffing that we have in that, but there's more than just these two here. And so, uh, it it has um, traditionally been uh, like positions that can be crossed over um, with the other uh, customer service reps. And so that's where that support is is that if uh right now there's very low volume um that we're seeing and as if there is more volume that's coming up um in the coming year uh that's when we would need to make [clears throat] those adjustments but there are other CSRs that can support this. Thank you. Um so going back to the 2027 proposed changes um talked about the tenant protection. Uh the other positions that are um proposed is the conversion of a accountant 4 to an accountant three. Um this is there's an opportunity to re-evaluate that position to a different uh uh uh repurposing that position um due to a retirement and then uh reducing the customer service representative that we just talked about. This is a halftime position that has been very difficult to fill. Very high turnover rate because of that. And so uh that position is also proposed to be uh removed. And then we have a DSI inspector one in code enforcement that we are proposing. It's um currently filled by a uh retired person right now and uh expected to be vacant. >> Council member Coleman. >> Thank you, Vice [clears throat] Chair. Thank you, director. Could you say a little bit more about what uh impact you would anticipate from having one fewer DSI inspector one in code enforcement? how I guess like curious how many inspectors that will leave us with sort of what current workloads look like. Um this just is something that comes up obviously a lot with residents and so I'm curious about um yeah how we think that that the resident experience might be impacted by that change. >> Yep. Um Vice Chair Yang, Council Member Coleman, um off the top of my head, I don't have the numbers of how many inspectors we have. um and we can get you that information. Uh what I do know that with our uh poly implementation, our response time um have improved in regards to that flow of intake of complaints and um responding to it. Um we can provide more information regards to that. uh the position that we're proposing here has um it has been trai uh it's a temporary position that has been kind of flowing in and out and so um that's where what why we propose to to reduce it. >> Just a quick follow but yeah it would be great to see both information on concurrent staffing in that rule and then also the the decrease in times um response times now that we have poly up and running. I think all that information will be very helpful. Thank you. >> So going back to the summary abatement in and the um explaining the uh spending and the financing piece of it just historically looking at the ground maintenance piece of it. Um if you can see here in the adapted budget has been very low but the actuals have been um a lot more. And so just reflecting it in the proposed 2027 um kind of right sizing it uh to reflect historical trends. Same thing with the financial piece of it uh where the budget adapted budget has been lower than the actuals. So that's the purpose of um the the making the changes for the proposed 2027 for budget to actual financing. Um as you see here we have had historically uh positive um delta uh for last year um with the impact of the cyber attack and the implementation of poly it has imp impacted our ability to um invoice and it has impeded that piece of it uh with the migration of the um records coming over. We expect to recover 1.8 8 million um from 2025. That has carried over into our um ability to collect in 2026. We're currently working with OFS to determine and uh find resources to get those records in and to validate and and get going with the invoicing and the um cash receipt of it. I think along with that uh also um looking around like the communication piece of it um and making sure that when we do uh have that ability it is not a surprise to um folks. spending piece of this um for our city general fund covered it in previous slide. Uh that three million includes the adjustments of um inflationary increases, the reductions of the staffing that we talked about and the increase of one of the um staffing for tenant protection. We don't have any um proposed budget for city grants. And then for the uh general government special projects funding they're uh looking to remove the one-time carryover from 25 and 26. Um so removing that but then uh keeping the heart positions in that um uh fund which shows up here um for 690 uh 215 remain steady. Um and then for charitable gambling um we offloaded that a few years ago in regards to the enforcement piece of it. So there is none for proposed for this year. Um talked about the recycling and organized trash of the one time recite y council president Maker. >> Thanks vice chair. I have a couple of questions on this slide director. So one of them is with regard to the city general fund increase from 27 to 26. It's striking to me that there have been really really modest increases from 24 to 25 and 25 to 26 and now 26 to 27 shows a significant increase. I know that a million some of that is just reflecting the um summary abatements better and that's not actually new spending but it seems like even taking that million out um we're still talking about at least another million and I know on slide nine um it looks like it's 1.9 million for current service level adjustments is new spending from the general fund. So, can you say a bit more about what what is the new why is there so much new spending out of the general fund this year? >> Yeah. Um, Vice Chair Yang and uh, Council Member Ner, um, I'd like to phone a friend a friend of OFFS to help explain that. >> Sure. >> Uh, Vice Chair, Council Member, the biggest change you can see here is in that current service level adjustment. DSI has um, 165 employees. So, the bulk of that is just contractual um increases and healthcare increases for those employees. We can get details on what all makes up that um amount, just under 2 million there, but that's that's the bulk of it. >> Yeah, I'd really like to understand that better because I assume they've had roughly the same number of employees for the last three years and yet the general fund really barely moved in that time. So, I'm it doesn't it just seems like an outlier and I'd like to better understand that. Yeah, I do know there was some um changes um related to the market study for positions that were in um DSI specifically. So, it might be a larger bump this year um but not like expected to be, you know, continuing to grow at this rate, but we'll we'll confirm. >> Okay. Thank you. And then um um my second question relates vice chair to the government special project. So, the the decrease of the one-time funding that you're talking about, is that the is that ARPA funding that's coming out of there? And what's what's there is opioid settlement dollars? What's the what's the decrease in onetime funding? >> Yeah. Um, Vice Chair Yang and Council Member NER, um, that that is a onetime thing and I will, uh, defer to OFS. um vice chair, council member, uh I believe that the removal of that carry forward is um opioid specific. Um so there was a couple years where spending um was slow for the heart team in particular because we had other sources that we were tapping for that work. There was um I know either 2024 or 2025 there was a grant that it looked like we weren't going to be able to use on time and so we shifted heart costs over there which freed up that opioid money so it carried forward and then this year we're just not carrying it forward anymore as it's um you to reflect spend down that's happening in in 2026. >> Okay. And we've gotten separate information about the opioid settlement funding in general I think in our inboxes so you can look that. Okay. My last question, vice chair, um the charitable gambling line, um we used to receive close to $500,000 in charitable gambling. What's happened with charitable gambling? >> Uh Vice Chair Yang, Council Member Maker, uh so there is um for DSI, there's the enforcement piece of it. Uh and so there is um a few years back as you can see there is funding for it which was where DSI was enforcing it. The state is now enforcing it and so there is no need for us to do so. >> Oh sorry it's suspending financing. Okay got it. Do we also receive any is there charitable gambling that happens? I know that they pay into like the youth fund and there's some revenue from charitable gambling. Does that not reflect in DSI's budget? uh Vice Chair Yang and Council Ner I believe it does not reflect in in ours um because that um collection uh is really um there uh it's a parks and DSI there's the enforcement piece and then the eligibility piece and the distribution of it and so um if there's um if I can ask uh um for assistance in >> uh chair council member we can look into it. I there's no more revenue that's coming into DSI for that, but I can I can confirm about other departments. >> Council member Kim, >> um I had a question around the history of budget to actual financing. I'm wondering around the footnote about 1.8 million that's expected to be recovered from 2025. Can you tell us what that's from? And I'll probably have a follow-up question. >> Yep. Um, Vice Chair Yang, uh, Council Member, the, uh, implementation of PY and, uh, the cyber attack limited the ability to, um, to invoice. And so the 4 million records that was transferred over um, and, uh, we still have some records that needs to be inputed. That's where the gap is um, in our ability to do the invoicing and cash receiping. So there is a lot of records that haven't been inputed and that's where we are looking for OFS and partnering with them to find the right resources to do that so that we can get get caught up. >> Okay. Um what kinds of invoicing was it certain kinds? Was it invoices across the board? Where where we have where do we have outstanding invoices? >> Yeah. Um, Vice Chair Yang, Council Member, we can get you uh like a full list of what what that all includes, but there's like business licensing. Um, I'm going off the top of my memory now, but uh there's there's like a a lot of records that needs to be inputed and each uh those records have an estimated amount of of financing um slotted to it. So we may have where there the record there might be a lot of record but the revenue collection is very small or smaller than some where there's a lot of records um not a lot of records but the revenue generating that is higher. So we can get you that information. Um I don't recall off the top of my head how everything that was in there. >> Okay. And then I've got a um a question around then what happens to the so if it was like from 2025 and now we are in 2026 and we're setting 27's budget. What happens to those dollars, right? Like presumably we walked into this year with that sort of gap for those invoices, right, that we just accounted for last year. So I don't I don't want to call it new revenue, but like what happens to the invoices that we are now getting dollars for and where does that 1.8 million go? >> Yeah. So Vice Chair Yang, uh, Council Member, I will defer to, um, Office of Financial Services to that's that's an accounting um, question. >> Yeah. Um, Chair, Vice Chair Yang, Council Member Kim, uh, my understanding is that depending on the timing, it gets acred back to 2025. Um, so then it it like given that we're closing 2025 and that's done, um, no more spending happening in 2025, it will just fall to the city's fund balance. So it will, um, support that, but does not get sort of reprogrammed or added into the 2026 um, budget. Cool. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Council King, for that question. I had I was wondering the same thing, too. So, I appreciate you asking that. Um, just a a followup on that last question there. So, I was wondering is it an option to have it be be revenue that is used for next year at all or is the only option for us to put it into the fund balance? >> Vice Chair Yang. Um, so it it will get acred back to 2025 and so it'll go into the fund balance. Um my understanding is that um we recognized an estimate and knowing that this was going to come in and now that we have a a firmer number um I believe our accounting team is updating that. Um the way that we would access that revenue would be a use of fund balance which we don't typically you know like to do because it's important for us to keep a healthy fund balance. Um, and I know it was a it was a really big lift um given the financial challenges we had in 2025 to come in um even you know close close to balanced there. Um so so that's what it would look like. It would look like a use of fund balance. Um but I'm not sure without checking with our accounting team um how much like over what we had estimated this number actually is. So it may be that it's very close and there's not really like excess revenue there that we could recognize. >> Thank you. >> So for the FTE summary um as mentioned before uh the proposed uh adopted or proposed changes um results in a uh reduction of 0.5. You can see here the history of the positions and five of those positions were put into the opioid settlement and that's what we're proposing to carry forward in 2027. Um and then for the city general fund that's um the reduction of the positions mentioned before and uh and I will go into the unfilled positions which will talk more about the vacancies and the positions that will be removed. So for the unfilled positions, um if you had look through here, you'll see that uh there's two proposed cuts listed here that is unfilled. That's the customer service rep at the uh halfime there. Um that one is proposed to be removed. And then later uh down below the third lineup is one of the um inspector one is also proposed to be removed. Um the other position that is um also show not shown on here is still filled. That's why it's um this is unfilled position so it doesn't show up here. Um but as far as like these positions uh we are in progress of um reposting or posting it in different negotiations and um getting it filled. So unless you want me to go line by line up to you. Okay. Um uh for the ARPA funds uh we also included fund 211 here. Um you'll see that all our projects were are are completed or were completed um in various years. Uh we don't have any active uh project per se when it comes to budget. Um and you'll see the uh dollar amounts also shown on here. the fund 211 was used for the top two bullet um projects there. So I wanted to recognize that other ARPA funded projects um are benefit us from DSI in our work and wanted to include those uh uh projects on this year. >> Council member Coleman, >> thank you. Could we just go back quickly to the unfilled positions? I'm curious about um the DSI fire safety inspector 2 rule where it's specifically called out that there's frequent turnover. Wondering if you could share more about why we see that turnover and if there are changes that might be being considered to prevent turnover and thus budget implications. >> Yep. Um, Vice Chair Yang, Council Member, uh, the high turnover rate, um, is, uh, you know, comparing it to what the market is and our benefits that we have. Um, we don't have vehicles for these positions. They use their own personal vehicles. It's one thing. Um, and just, uh, the pay also is not, um, uh, comparable to what they can also, um, achieve elsewhere. And so there's that turnover rate. Uh the retention that we do have is based on um uh the teams that we uh our teammates uh working together, their value in working for the city of St. Paul. Uh the benefits that we have here. Um so there is retainage there, but there is turnover due to some of the other benefits that we don't have. And is that the the pay disparities is that is compared with other jurisdictions sim the same position in other jurisdictions? >> Yeah. So I I'm not sure specifically like what that uh difference is but I do know that um there are oftent times when uh we have made offers and uh it was um negotiate through negotiations we're not able to match what um they were expecting. Um so Director Johnny, just have a quick follow up on that. I know you mentioned um well, you mentioned a bit about negotiations already. I know there's a whole process that goes behind that. Earlier, you talked about a study that was done, too, which it sounds sort of like it was a wage study, very important to do. I know there's a lot of positions that we want to be able to do that for. And uh I'm glad to see or glad to hear you've been able to pinpoint what the challenges and filling these positions are. I'm just wondering is it is it in our interest to keep going down this route where we we leave things as is? I question that because these are very important positions too. And um to be very transparent um I I get a lot of mixed reviews I'd say from um from folks who do business who even um come to the city for permitting and just work with DS DSI like our inspectors overall. You know some of them have really great experiences some of them not so you know not very great experiences and they talked even a bit about how um how they they feel like they've been treated um very inequitably and also like experienced racism too. And so um you know just again these are these are things that I'm receiving um in terms of emails and communication from folks who have interacted with DSI before. And so I'm wondering is this is this the the route we want to continue going or are there significant changes we want to make so that we can get to um a place where we are very competitive and we can keep filling these really important positions for the city. >> Right. Uh Vice Chair Yang I can appreciate that. Um so some of the things that I have seen so far and I think there's opportunities to make improvements um for our staff and for our customers uh one thing as I mentioned with the vehicles I mean obviously that's budget related um and looking to see how we can partner with other departments in in regards to um maybe some vehicles that we can uh uh transfer over to us. In fact, we're working with fire department right now in one of their vehicles that uh may may, you know, come over to us. So, looking at different things like that um to help our uh teammates uh do a better job. Um and then as far as like customers go uh with [clears throat] mixed reviews, uh I have also received mixed reviews. Um I have heard very great um uh you know like kudos to our teammates um in the response that they have. Um as uh with the poly world and technology I think we're very focused on implementing that and um one of the things is like not everybody is technology savvy they want to actually speak to a person um and so what uh what we're going to do later this year is do surveys on what our customer needs are um and get that feedback on how we can improve our services so that's one of the examples >> right thank you um I'm just thinking back to customer what you had mentioned about customer service and I know customer service is a a very high our our residents have high expectations when it comes to customer service and like I personally do too. Um I I even remember the audit committee at one point when I sat on it, we had a whole study about customer service feedback and how the city can improve in it. And I I do want to just again emphasize that I believe these positions are so key to us being able to achieve that high level of um customer service for our residents and then also make sure that our buildings are up to code and we can even support businesses and folks who need these inspections done um at a a quicker and more efficient pace, too. And so to me, I it I it just like I um I feel very torn because I understand we're in um a very always in a very difficult situation with the budget and how to fill that gap and at the same time these are very important investments that we have a huge stake in when it comes to the future of our city. So those are things I'm I'm definitely contemplating about. Thank you. So, revenue trends, changes in outlooks, our re revenue continues to grow. Um, and these are some highlights of these upfront investments that we have going on. Um, as valuation goes up, our revenue goes up. Uh, also looking at the cannabis registration revenue is expected to cover the DSI FTE cost of that. um and our it's expected to stabilize with some business lines still recovering from the cyber incident which we just talked about in regards to uh limiting our access to do the invoicing and the cash receiping um and working with OFS on finding the resources to help us um in getting those uh records over and and put it in so that we have that ability to do so. Council >> President, thanks vice chair. Um, director, you you said this briefly, but I just want to make sure I understand. When you talk about revenue continues to grow, these upfront investments are now moving toward cost recovery. How do they generate revenue? Are you just talking about property valuations generally coming into the general fund or do these pay specific fees, usage rates to DSI? >> Yep. um uh vice chair Yang, council member. Uh with these uh um development, there's site plan review, there's other permit fees as they come on board. Um those are where the revenue um is seen. Uh and as we um continue with these projects or as as these projects continue um we would have more uh like um licenses and other things that we um services that we provide that would be uh that we would see from these developments. So, um I think as far as a followup, we can certainly put together on what those expectations are from these. Um but, uh we and then also like for the um garbage, tall grass and snow abatements. Those are things where we also are seeing um that increasing also uh as we do more abatements. I think that's that was it. >> All right. Thank you. It's the question slides, so I'll take any other questions from council members or comments. Council member Buoie. >> Thank you, Chair Yang. Um or excuse me, Vice Chair Yang. Um I have a question. U if you could share a little bit more about the procedures coordinator position. I saw it posted, but I was just um curious around if this is like a permanent position um or if this is something, you know, temporary to just I I just want to learn more about the position and some of its uh goals. >> Sure. Uh Vice Chair Yang, Council Member, um the procedures coordinator is for our business improvement. Um so that's with our technology, our poly, um all the uh support that we have for our uh services. Um so that is a position that was um there was a job study that was done earlier where uh the need was for this to be part of that business improvement and um it's a position that uh is you know we're hoping to get that um going as quickly as we can to help support the poly and and other technology we have. >> Thank you. Mhm. >> Any last questions or comments? No, I don't see any. Oh, Council Buie, >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Um, well, cuz I I know it's our time is really limited here. I I just want to I don't see in the changes and um I don't recall during the mayor's budget address her speaking about it, mayor her speaking about it, but if you could speak a little bit to um the heart team. Um, I think I heard you mention that it will be uh budgeted through the opioid settlement funds, but if you could talk a little bit more about the heart team. Uh, and the reason why I'm bringing it up because, you know, as the mayor took the position of the encampment closures, we can, you know, I would say kind of all agree how uh essential the heart team has been. And I know they've been really really like a limited scope. if there's any um intentionality around just maintaining them or you know looking at like other departments. I'm just curious to learn a little bit more about uh what your vision is for the heart team. >> Yeah. Um, Vice Chair Yang, Council Member, uh, as you said, the, um, opioid settlement funds are, uh, funding five positions, um, for the heart, and that includes outreach, um, and code enforcement, and I can't, uh, remember the other positions, but uh, this pos these um, this team has been intact. uh they do the outreach, they do um the connection uh of the um unsheltered to resources um and so it will be continuing uh as um in previous I think that in the citywide uh uh if you look at it between different departments there's a lot more than just the heart that touches the um this uh uh group of um clients and um working with other departments um like OFN and some of the like the cares and the familiar faces. So there's a bigger program um that I think HART is part of one of them. Uh Hart also does the um trash collection the the um you know some of the services that are provided to um uh the facilities here and so on a day-to-day and uh I don't know what the I don't recall it schedule but they go out on a regular basis and do that outreach and do that cleanup. Um, so it's always a continuous thing. >> Thank you. >> Great. Well, we are doing great on timing. Your committees here usually go until 11:30. So, if folks do have questions, um, you know, you can ask it here. If not, feel free to reach out to Director Jeang as well offline. So, thank you, Director Jeang, and to all of the TSI staff, OFS staff who helped put together this presentation. We really appreciate you all. Um I uh before I adjourn, I do want to share we have a special guest here today. Caitlyn Hang is here shadowing me from Johnson Senior High School. So Eastside Pride. Um and because of our extra time cushion, I did want to see I know Rich, you mentioned you're good. You don't want you don't you know have any words to say, but I'm I am wondering if you both would um be I want to invite you to come to the mic and share any last parting words you have Rashana to the council. Um, and then Caitlyn, if you have anything you want to share with the council in terms of what inspired you to come and shadow a council member in local government, that'd be great, too. So, um, Caitlyn, uh, I I have here you served on our hero city commission board and for term two. So, that's really phenomenal. Would you both like to take a minute or two to say something at the mic? feel free to come on up >> and give us a budget presentation. >> Hi, I'm Caitlyn. Um I did want to come shadow um vice chair Yang today actually because of council member >> Ner >> nerre um I was a part of the right track um program and she had come and was just on the career panel and she very she really inspired me to come and reach out to um just like the council members and see how it is and I'm also I recently got to meet um mayor her and so it's just very empowering and I feel like seeing that there is a women board it's just very empowering to me and I've always like had a love for local government. >> Thank you Caitlyn. >> Um thank you for your time and thank you for all the you know appreciation and the you know cheering. Um, I'm I was not originally into going into public office or government work, but I had been offered a position as a Right Track intern before I went to college. And being able to like be in this space helped me understand why it's so important that there are, you know, people caring about what's going on. And also, you know, if I had never gotten that opportunity, I would never be here. So, it's like seeing like, you know, you know, right track was mentioned in the budget presentation. So, it's like this stuff is important and I just want to thank everyone who's here and you know all of the council members and you you guys as well. Just thank you for inspiring me and inspiring all of us. Thank you. >> Thank you both so much. You both are inspiring and it is very moving to hear your pathway and starting um with Right Track and then look at how you've continued to give back to the city. So, I want to personally say thank you and wanted to see if any of my colleagues have of comments you want to make to our young folks in the room today and our viewers online. The council president, >> just uh want to echo the vice chair and vice president's thanks and um it so great that you took me up on the suggestion to reach out and shadow a council member and I'm so glad that when I said any council member you reach out to would be happy to have you shadow for a day. um that I was that I was right and you have a great one. So um um yeah, it just it is inspiring to us to see you and to feel like people say this all the time, the future's in good hands, yada yada, but you really do feel it and there's so much to be pessimistic about nowadays, but um you give us a lot of hope. So thank you >> in short too as well. Um thank you u vice sharing for just even allowing you know young people to have a voice even in this setting here. Um, I just wanted to say, you know, I I'm inspired by young people every day. Um, I'm now reaching the point in my life where I'm no longer a youth, you know, but um, aging out of youth, I guess, [laughter] >> transitioning, youth transitioning. Um, but I just wanted to say uh, uh, thank you for taking up the opportunity because there's a lot of opportunities as you can see. U, we have endless opportunities for young people, families all across different departments. Um, and our right track program is just as as great as people who actually step up to the plate and actually take advantage of these opportunities and just, you know, go out on a limb and just try to learn about your local government. So, you know, thank you for being courageous enough to um figure it out. And just because of you taking this step, you're going to also have other people um coming behind you who are also going to take advantage of these opportunities. >> Yeah. Big shout out to our um inter may former mayor Carter, also our current mayor, all of our council members who've been here at the table since the inception of the right track program. We've all continued to be supporters of the right track um program overall. And so again, you are you truly are the living testimony of the success of the Right Track um program we've invested in. So, thank you both. And that's the end of our meeting here. So, I will adjourn us >> [music] [music] [music]