Um, I'm going to call the evening meeting to order for Tuesday, February 10th, city council meeting. Um, clerk, please do a roll call. >> Council member Walsh >> here. >> Council member Gerola >> here. Mayor McCloskkey here. Council member West >> here. Council member Edber here. >> Council member Angstran >> here. >> Okay. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag >> of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Welcome to those of you who came to join us tonight. We appreciate you being here. Um, and welcome to People in TV Land. Um, we uh appreciate you watching. Um, we're going to start right away with uh item 2 A, the approval of the minutes of the January 27th, 2026 meeting. >> So move. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Okay. Motion carries. Moving on. Ad uh item three. We're adopting the uh cons uh agenda. Does anyone have any changes or corrections to the agenda? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I posted. All right, we have an agenda. Item four, the consent agenda. Does anyone have any changes? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? All right, we have the consent agenda is approved. Item 5A, uh, we have the community development bianual report. For that, we have Mr. Lindal. Mr. Lindal, thanks for being here today. >> Thank you, mayor. Members of the council. Um, so I'm going to present to you the community development uh department, what we call bianual report. So twice a year, the community development department comes to the council and reports on our department activities. Um the department activities, the data that we'll be talking here tonight really cover um building inspection activity, planning and zoning activity, um rental licensing activity, and then code enforcement. And so we'll be running through that information. >> I'm sorry. All right, it looks like we've got the wrong slides in here. I'm sorry about that. Um I can um most of what I was going to cover for you is in the >> Can you hit next one more? >> Keep going to the black. Okay. >> Okay. >> It's okay. >> Sorry about that. So, um most of what I was going to cover you tonight was included in the slides, but it's highlighted in your staff report. Um and what you can see from this is uh the the data in the um is is included in the tables that are attached to the staff report, but they're summarized um in the paragraphs included in the staff report. So basically um the overall takeaway from the report data would be that um overall um building activity, building inspection activity is down about 3% from last year. Um and but is leveling out from the decreases we've seen over the last couple years. back to what I've some of the council may remember me talking in previous reports is we're really kind of returning to what was kind of the normal level activity kind of we had a we had a significant spike in 22 and 23 that in that really were the result of the school district's activity in the community and all the things that they did in the investments in the schools and the Lockchner apartment building that occurred in that time period and then also just kind of the postcoavid bump that um all the world experienced in activity increases that were kind of pent up from from the pandemic period. Um so while again activity is generally down, it's um really leveling off um in a trend. If we look at the data even back like the last 16 years, we're still on a a general overall increase in activity. Um looking at code enforcement, we have seen some declines in uh code enforcement activity this year compared to last year. Um we would really um attribute most of that decrease into the fact that we had a staffing turnover in the last quarter of this year. So we um um filled that position basically at the end of the year and I would anticipate we're returning back to normal activities in 26. Um if you look at zoning activity, there actually was um a slight increase uh 7 and a half% compared to in 2025 compared to 2024. Um most of that increase is in the category that's in the table um would be in the um meetings and inquiries and kind of um questions category of that of the zoning activity. So generally I would I would say that those are the that's the category in the zoning activity that would be a leading indicator category that would say there's still a lot of activity, a lot of questions, a lot of things projects that our people are either doing or planning to do. So I would say that that's a positive trend. Um and then looking at rental licensing activity um that breaks down um into um over if you look at overall numbers kind of into we've broken it down into um rental licenses for single family homes or multifamily units. So that's really anything other than a single family dwell a single family unit that could be rented. And if you look at those numbers for White Bear Lake, um multi- uh single family amounts to about 78% of that activity. Um and multifamily is 22%. But keep in mind multifamily if you look at on a unit comparison the multifamilies would be a lot unit total unit count would be a lot higher. Um if you look at that activity um in Mameidi for example, they're at about 84% single family licenses to uh 16% uh multifamily. And if you look at um the breakdown of the rental licensing activity between the two communities that we work with, White Bear Lake and then Mameidi, um we do about 78% of the activity is in White Bear Lake and 22% in Mameidi. And so that's a quick summary of the information in your staff report. And with that, I stand for questions. >> We might have a presentation if there are any charts you wanted to go over. >> Okay. Or maybe not. >> It's okay. >> Okay. Um, yeah. So, I'm sorry I don't have the slides available. Um again the major takeaway is I feel like the the the building department activity and the um number of permits and the revenue that's generated for that is while declining returning to what kind of our normal activity was and shows a long-term overall positive trend. >> In the past we haven't really touched on the rental in in your presentation. So that's some new information um that's we've started to include and in the slides I think you were going to talk um a little bit more about Mamemidi. So that's just not in this one but um looking for feedback um you know any ways that we can improve for the future. Thank you. >> Yep. Council member Ed. >> Uh thank you Mayor. Um Mr. Lindall with regard to that rental housing licensing and so forth. We had conversations about long versus short-term rental. Have we learned anything about that uh as a result of our, you know, kind of this new annual processing and so forth. Is that something that's yet to come in auh this year or a future year? >> So, I'd start by saying it is yet to come, but we have been doing research on that. Um we've comp um gathered information from a number of kind of similar kind of context communities um as White Bear Lake. Um we'd also look we've also looked at um some professional uh planning resources and gathered some data on best practices and how how to set up your system and those kind of things. So we have been preparing to bring uh more information back to the council on that. And do you have a sense of like is that a late 26, middle 26 kind of I'm I'm just trying to get in my head the kind of cycling that we're on for for when we might take that conversation up and the related how do we how might we then once we have that information or if we get that information what's the um regulatory stance on short-term rentals? >> Yeah. Um uh mayor members of the council. So, I would say that staff is prepared to bring that information back to you in the first half of this year. Um the timing of it um I would want to discuss a little bit uh more closely with the city manager be because um what we're really doing here is you may remember that we when we did the zoning ordinance update, we actually had some standards for short-term rentals that we in that were originally included in the in the first draft, but the council decided to take out um in the final draft. and then directed staff to bring um both the rental uh excuse me the zoning standards and the licensing standards together in one package. So really the process that staff envisions is to um put together some recommendations on both zoning and licensing and bring that to the council in a work session to make sure that we're heading in the right policy direction from a council's perspective. And then we take the planning, excuse me, the zoning side of it back through planning commission because the zoning ordinance, the planning commission has to have a public hearing and and vet that zoning side of it. Um, but at least we'd have those two things coordinated and check in with the council first that we're moving in the overall correct policy direction. >> So, my sense is that no action is is even realistic, but probably not even warranted in 2026. the those who own short-term rentals are already renting out space and and so forth. So, from an economic standpoint to disrupt that without reasonable notice is probably not something we want to do. Um but um to have something potentially in place for 2027 um does that sound like a reasonable expectation or is that something that we ought to have more conversation about? Uh, mayor, members of the council, I mean, staff is prepared to bring the information to you in the first half of this year. Um, I I I I think it is, you know, noteworthy that kind of most of the vacation part of short-term rentals would be kind of happening in the summer months. I I you you raise a fair point there. Um, so you know, we can bring you the information again in the first half of the year and then we would look to the council as to kind of the appropriate implementation point for that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Does anyone else have any further questions for Mr. Lindal? Comments? No. Okay. Thanks so much for coming in. Thanks for all your work. >> Absolutely. >> All right. Up next is item 5B. We have the sports center annual report. For that we have Mr. Juba. >> Thank you, Council Members. Good evening. We had another great operational year at the Sports Center in 2025. uh we remain very fortunate to have a dedicated staff and a wonderful community of uh of customers who frequent that place and uh creates a really good environment there. So the sports center serves as the home of White Bear Lake girls hockey, the home of White Bear Lake Area Hockey Association and the city's own figure skating program. highlights from this past year. Uh you can see them up on the board. 12 high school girls hockey games, 32nd annual figure skating competition, 32nd annual spring ice show. It's amazing that those things have been going as long as they have. Seven youth tournaments and approximately 100 uh separate youth games. And the youth tournaments and the youth hockey games are all run through the hockey association. Um facility improvements in 2025 include flooring replacement, which you can imagine is a constant at a place where people are walking around with blades on their feet. So we do quite a bit of that uh annually to try and keep up on that. Outside of that, uh you can see the pictures on the wall. I hope you can make sense of that. The one on the left is uh the White Bear Lake um the second part of the wall of tradition. We had last year I looked back at the slides and we had the first part done. Uh now the second part is done. So that's really um celebrating the uh all the people that have come up through the hockey association, the accomp accomplishments that they've made. So um you know, the Stanley Cup winner is listed on there, a Hobie Baker Award winner, all of the uh division one hockey players uh that have come up through that program. So it's a fun thing to celebrate if you ever get in there. It's a it's a good piece of history to look at. And then uh the picture on the right is a a new plaque this year that uh celebrates all the uh high school girl hockey players who have reached 100 career points, which is uh quite a feat for high school hockey. And so our our staff and the hockey and skating community continue to come up with ways to celebrate uh the traditions and the the victories that that uh happen there. And and there's a lot of pride. So it's fun to see the different things that they come up uh year by year. So next time you're in the facility, check that out. It just keeps growing and growing. It's uh it's really fun to watch. Uh this year was the second year that uh the solar panels were up and fully operational and so far we've achieved a little over $50,000 in energy costs through that program. So, uh it's nice to see that up and running and functioning. Uh within your packet, there's a revenue summary. Obviously, we won't have a full financial picture of the year until uh until the audit's done with and and we can get more in depth on that at that time if you'd like. Uh but very much from what we can see it was a normal operational year as far as hours of ice rented and uh all the things that went on there. So uh another another good year when it comes to that and then uh just a plug also so that uh this will now be the 33rd annual uh spring ice show is April 24th to the 26th. Uh the year's theme is enchanted skates. So it's always fun to see what they come up with and what they come up with with for a program. It's a great showcase for local talent as well as all the work that uh that our staff and coaches put into that. And uh so if the Olympics have you inspired to be more of a skating fan, uh keep those dates in mind and swing through there. It's it's always fun and it's fun to see uh like I mentioned earlier that that environment and the community that's created there. It's a really it's a happy environment and people are excited to see their uh their kids showcase uh all the hard work that they've done. It's a it's a fun thing to be part of. So, with that, I can stand for any questions. >> That's fantastic. Um, can I ask what the Live Barn online streaming service is? >> Yep. Thank you, mayor and council members. So, Live Barn is is a automatic camera system that's in there. It's a subscription system. So, uh, people if they want to tune in to their their kids' game or their grandkids game or whatever it may be, they can sign up for that for a nominal fee and then they can get in and and watch those games live and the the camera follows the movement and and uh gives you an opportunity to see what's going on there. >> Oh, that's great. And where do people learn about that? Is it just the coaches tell them that it's available or? >> And yes, mayor and council members, it is uh it's plastered all over the sports center, the the ability to get in there and it's always uh available on our website as well. >> Excellent. Thank you so much. Does anyone else have any questions for Mr. Juba? Council member Edberg, >> just one. Um Mr. Juba, you said uh as regards the was it $50,000 in energy savings, is that over two years or one year? And do you have a sense of what the total bill on that is? What's our payback estimate on that? Do you have any sense? Rough math. >> Uh thank you, mayor, and council member Edberg. So that that is the the to the total uh since they've been up and operational. So about $25,000 a year is what it's been yielding. Um and I think that that system costs around $500 or $700,000 to install. So Okay, >> great. Thank you. Great. >> Anyone else? All right. Thank you, Mr. Juba. Thank you for being here. All right. Item six, public hearings. We have nothing scheduled. Item seven, unfinished business. We have no unfinished business scheduled. Item 8A, uh, conditional use permit request at 5045 Division Avenue. Uh, we have Mr. Lindall. >> Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. Um, as you mentioned, the item before you tonight is a conditional use permit amendment for the high school to add parking in three locations on their site. Some slide before you summarizes the application and indicates the three locations on the site where the applicant is proposing to expand parking. So, um, again, the property is the high school at 40 50, excuse me, 5045 division. Um and uh they're proposing again to add it in three locations. The planning commission reviewed this item at their last meeting and held a public hearing and there really weren't any comments uh from the neighborhood on this. The application is before you um in a discussion format tonight because um both the planning both staff recommended approval and so did the planning commission. But their vote was uh 5 to2 in favor of recommending approval. Um and the discussion of the item and the two votes against that recommendation for approval um really focused around condition six in the attached resolution uh which focuses on um an access point to one of the parking lots that they're proposing. So that'll be the focus of the discussion here tonight. >> Okay. So again, this is a close-up look at those three locations that I had shown you on the previous slide in the overall view of the campus. So um the the uh one along Bald Eagle in the northwest section is where we'll be spending most of our conversation tonight. So that's in the far left side of this slide and it's proposing to add 56 stalls. Um and then there's one at the far uh south eastern corner of the site. um up against division where they're proposing to add 25 stalls and then there's one at the far end of the site um where they're proposing to add 83 additional stalls. And so looking more closely at the one tonight that the applicant has questions about uh or where the um where the the challenges or the disagreement between staff and the applicant exists is for the one in the far northeast, excuse me, northwestern corner of the site just off of Bald Eagle. So the arrow indicates the location of where the parking lot is. And so most people, you know, who are pretty pretty familiar with the site will know you can picture this area is there's a open space here right now that's surrounded by a bunch of tall pine trees. And so um you can see on the in the overall closeup map, that's the bigger picture on the screen of the parking lot. Um they've attempted to design the parking lot to preserve as many of those trees as possible. Um um so that should be noted on the on both the west, the north and the east sides of the site. Um so really the kind the issue in question uh focuses on the access to this particular parking lot. And so the um there's access in the northwest corner that that would take people out to Bald Eagle and and connect with the northern parking lot that exists already at this at this at the school site. Um and then there's a proposed second access point in the south eastern corner of the site um down in the lower right hand corner. And that access actually empties into or accesses the overall uh drive lane uh for the site. And so um staff has had kind of ongoing conversations back and forth with the school district about this and we really just haven't come to a consensus. Um but in conversations at a staff level between both the community development and the engineering department, we just don't see a need or a real advantage to adding this location. We actually think that um having the additional access that in this location in the south east, excuse me, southeastern corner in that location where it accesses into the drive lane for the overall site just has the potential to have traffic backups, turning movement conflicts, um and doesn't really isn't really necessary for the size of the parking lot that's here. it can definitely be handled by one access point given the size of it. Um so um the um the school district has just continually um requested that that be included. So we've just come to a kind of a a uh haven't come to a meeting of the minds on this. We've had good conversation and it's all been very um prod productive. We just haven't come to the same conclusion. Um the school district's uh consultant and staff are here uh in the audience tonight and I'm sure can speak to more directly to their concerns and their um desires for this access point. Um they did provide uh an additional memo. They did provide an additional memo um to staff that came in after the packet had gone out. So that was distributed to you tonight. Um and basically that lays out some options that the um school district could consider for um managing that access point. They'd like it to they still like it to remain, but they'd suggest three different meth methods for managing the access point that would address that they um state would address some of the concerns of staff. So, um, with that, um, really what I would say is, um, staff again is has a recommendation for approval. The planning commission supported that recommendation. Um, it really comes down to that condition six on the, uh, resolution about um, staff's recommendation is to eliminate uh, that access point. And so with that, I'd stand for questions. All right, council. Does anybody Oh, council member West. Um, yeah, thank you. So, I was at that planning commission meeting, a long one. Um, and I was confused about this whole conversation. So, thank you very much for laying it out, Mr. Lindal, so it's um clearer to me. I guess I'd still Okay. Um, have you gotten a chance I assume you've gotten a chance to look at the the recommendations here that they have sent and they're attached. Do you have any thoughts about those three options? Um, mayor, members of the council, my general response would be it seems to be that um the acknowledgment that they could uh limit the access, I think actually supports staff's conclusion that it really isn't necessary or appropriate in this location. Um the ideas of I believe are to post the staff person there to manage it at at um at high uh activity times. Um to close the access through use of a temporary traffic control devices like you know some sort of temporary barrier or cones or that kind of thing and not have a staff person there. Or a third option would be to actually install a gate that they would then con control and open and close. Um so that it would be open during school hours where staff would use this lot but closed during higher activity times where uh there would be more potential for turning uh and traffic movement conflict. So, I'll I'll let them um make their case about uh the what they prefer or why they want to do that uh those activities, but I guess I from staff's perspective, we think it just actually acknowledges that it just it it isn't it isn't really necessary and has the potential to create more challenges than advantages to the site. Um, and again, I I I stated this a few times during the planning commission meeting and hope it comes across here with the council tonight. We we just have a different perspective from their engineering department. Um this isn't um this is based on best professional judgment and what uh from both engineering and planning and we think that the site would function better this way because this additional access just has the potential to create additional traffic movement conflicts and turning conflicts without really what we feel like is adding any necessary um improvements that ingress and egress to the site or to this parking lot. >> All right, Council Member Gerola, >> I was just going to say I can add in like I always enter through the bald eagle avenue way and like you said I I can absolutely respect both engineer perspective. So I can just provide a personal perspective that you know this summer I go there, my son has soccer triyouts there, right? it is very confusing and you see people driving around circles um often kind of with the layout and they can figure it out and it is on maps and things like that but it does they do get confused with already some of the entrances and where to go and then I was there at the Roseville High School verse White Bear Lake basketball game um and when that was a pretty lower traffic night and that didn't seem like people were too confused on where to go but then I went again last night because I walked the track with a friend and that was a pretty high traffic where then in that like kind of I don't know if you call it roundabout area or that but then people are confused like once they got going then they figured it out where they exit and go out but I I can see the point from going there of where then you have more people driving circles trying to find which exit they want. That's just my personal but I can understand both engineering perspectives. That's just been my experience there. Thank you, council member. Does anybody else have any questions? Nope. Do we want to hear from Okay, we Yeah, I would like to hear from the other applicant. >> Good evening. Hi, >> good evening, mayor, council members, city staff. Um, my name is Tim Wald. I'm assistant superintendent for finance and operations with the White Bear Lake Schools. And I've uh have worked really closely with city staff over the last six years on a lot of different projects. And we've accomplished a lot. And so, and I I also want to acknowledge the burden that that's put on the staff of the city because it's been some big projects with a lot of back and forth. and we've we've uh been pretty effective at solving those. So, thank you uh to the city staff. Uh the this project uh the really the goal of the project is to alleviate any congestion on city neighborhood parking in neighborhood streets. We don't want to be a burden to the neighbors. We recognize that we're a big um we have a big footprint and we bring a lot of people to the campus and we're in a neighborhood so we understand that and so um our design has been really thoughtful about getting vehicles onto our property and then sorting them out on the property. So if you think about how you access the school on the Division Avenue side, uh we can get a lot of cars and they can queue a long ways once they're on our property. And same with the bald eagle side. Most traffic enters at the the very south entrance, which is the stadium entrance. And then uh vehicles exit tend to exit either out that uh you know that uh access point or um the one to the north. And the one to the north is the one we're talking about. Now, um this staff, this parking lot is designed specifically for staff on school days. And then, uh to serve Lure Field parking, people will only walk so far to a you know, they only park so far away from their destination. And so by adding these spots here, we think that's going to really help some of the congestion that's been created when there's been a lot of activity at Laasfield. So, um they'd be good for that. During the school day, teachers arrive before the students and the and parents and before the buses. And so teachers will fill the lot and the lot won't be seeing activity beyond that. At the end of the day, the buses exit, the parents exit, the students exit, and the teacher sometime after that. And so the coming and going in that traffic on in that parking lot and school days is really not going to be conflict with cars stacking on Bald Eagle Avenue during large events. um you tend to have people arrive generally at the same time or in the same period of time. Um and there's not a a lot of exiting traffic when people are arriving for a large event. Um and so we think um that it will be confusing to people who aren't used to being on our campus to not be able to exit on the south side. if they enter there and they see this a lot with space, it'll be very confusing in how you get to it. Um, they'll probably figure it out eventually, but it'll create a lot of congestion on the site while they're trying to figure it out. When vehicles are leaving, um, you know, traffic will be exiting at that time after an event and, um, you know, there it won't be much conflict there. So that's the really the rationale behind the school district's interest in keeping that access point there. We think it's not going to create problems. Um the suggestion of the traffic engineer um from is is really a compromise. Um recognizing that the city's concerned and I think we heard from them. They're concerned. They're not certain it's going to create a problem, but if it does, we have an access gate there that we can put down. I don't think having traffic cones is a good way to handle it. I don't think uh I can say with confidence we wouldn't be good at having staff members standing there, but I can feel pretty good about having a gate and we have traffic people in our parking lots that can manage our gates. Uh part of the design of the overall facility was gates to manage traffic. that was something we came to agreement with city staff on and we think um this is consistent with with that solution. So uh we also have as I mentioned or as uh Mr. Lindell mentioned Eric Meyer is the engineer from Larson Engineering who designed uh the did the engineering of for that parking lot and then Tyler Erle with W Architects is here too. So, if we have questions specifically about design, lighting, any of those types of things, those guys can sure help us out. >> Thank you. >> So, I just have a question for you. So, basically, you're worried about people being confused on how to get to the parking lot if we only have one entrance, but it's going to be teachers that are parking there. >> On school days, it'll be teachers who park there. Okay. for after school evening events and Lara's field or large events where um stadium events people will park there as well. Graduation, you know, we we fill the parking lot. >> And when would the gate be up? >> Well, the gate would be up um we the gate would be up and until we determine that um this kind of event creates stacking. So if if it comes to fruition, as city staff said that we're concerned about stack stacking of vehicles on bald eagle, we wouldn't want that to happen. If large events cause that to happen, then we'll just gate it. We'll have the gate there so it would be easy for us to control it. >> Okay. And is there a a cost difference in doing one over the other? Uh, I know it's not our cost, right? But school district, it's our community. So, is there a cost of >> doing one versus the other? A difference, a big difference? >> Well, having the the entrance there or not, >> right? >> I mean, it's minimal. >> It's minimal. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Does anybody else have any questions for Mr. Wald? >> I'm kind of wondering the consideration with you talked about I understand the school day. I used to be a teacher. So when they're coming and going going with the events, right? If there's one big event, but then there's also so many other things going like when I was there yesterday, there were a bunch of people walking, coming going. There were people doing basketball like looked like a basketball training. You had a ton of people there. Like how do you, you know, determine because sometimes it'll be one event, but then you kind of can't because of the fieldhouse and that stuff use. It's sometimes hard to determine how many people are going to be in there. I feel like every time kind of I've gone to basketball game, there's still been other people coming and going and then there are other meetings there that happen at the district. So, I'm kind of wondering that piece. >> Yeah. Like really that lot will be used spring summer, some fall when um I'm talking after school activities, evening weekends, >> like walking just Yeah. So when you think about winter activities, people won't probably be parking there for evening activities because it's not close to the entrance and we're not using Lara's fields in the winter. So I don't think it'll be much of an issue. >> You feel you can predict when it you would >> Thank you, Council Member Walsh. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh Mr. Wall, the just trying to get an idea of the traffic flow. So the coming in from Bald Eagle the south below that below the parking lot south of the parking lot and this this map there's two maps up there now. So when I get to the end of that little strip can I go north? Is it I can't remember. Is it a oneway going north and then can I loop around and come into the lot from that side? What's the traffic like when you go past that entrance the red boxes? Yeah, you take a left. >> You can. >> Yeah. >> Is it just a one way? I can't or is there or is it two way? >> Just a one way to >> So one way going north >> going north >> around. Thank you. >> And there's stop signs before you head south or head west on that uh path. There's stop signs that control traffic. Y >> right. Just Oh, Mr. Copy. >> U mayor, members of the council, um maybe just to add a little bit of clarification. Um, it's not really the stacking on to bald legal that's a concern of staff. It's really the turning movements in and out of the parking lot. As you can see, even just comparing the two entrances, um, if somebody's coming um, eastbound on that south entrance, you know, into the uh into the school site and wants to take a left into the lot um, and they start making that movement and somebody's in the lot making a movement, they're at a 90 degree angle to oncoming traffic. Okay. So, a car turning left northbound into the lot >> um and they get stuck for some reason because somebody's backing in and out of a parking lot like uh council member Gerola said that people are coming and going for a lot of these different events. Um likewise, somebody coming, you know, circling in that parking lot, finds there's no spot, wants to come back out, heads back towards Bald Eagle, they have a super tight um turning radius, potentially even turning in oncoming traffic, you know. So, it's it's just the tightness of that intersection. There's no if you look at that north entrance, if somebody turns in there and they people are moving around, they can stop there. They're not sitting in traffic. They're not on the, you know, like the southbound um entrance or south entrance. Um they're caught in traffic. You know, potentially depending on what type of events going on, whether they're people circling trying to find parking um um that's staff's concern. >> All right. Thank you. Council member Strand, do you have anything to say about this? You you work there, right? >> Abstain from voting because I work for them. >> Okay. >> Um but I do recommend leaving the there. I have full um I think they're capable of handling traffic over there. I've seen football games over there all the time for basketball, football, whatever. I think they can handle the traffic. Thank you, >> Councilman Ed. >> I'm just more more curious. Three parking lots, 162 spaces. Um, how did how did you miss that in the early uh in the early design phase? >> We didn't miss a 10 >> 10% change, but what am I not seeing? Well, we at the time when we needed to uh bring the conditional use permit to the city and the council, we hadn't acquired all the properties that we have at this point. So, the the property here we acquired fairly early, but not quite early enough. It looked like we were going to have it, but we couldn't hold off any longer to square it away. So, we planned for water retention knowing that we'd eventually get it, but we just had to had to move the project forward. >> Okay. Got it. >> So, we've had a full season, couple seasons of experience with big nights. What's been the overall assessment of adequacy of parking? uh ease of movement, safety of uh of all participants, etc. What's what's been the track record so far? >> It's it's been pretty good on site. We feel like we're we the traffic flows. It could be a little confusing for those who are new to the site, but generally the traffic flows pretty well. We advise visiting teams for like bigger events to use the Division Avenue side because it's a little clearer to them. It's a larger parking lot. So, um, that's been pretty successful. So, it's been it's been really great on-site. We know it's been some pressure in the neighborhood. We've heard from neighbors who get frustrated by that. Adding the no parking signs around the neighborhood, I think, have been helpful. Um, you know, big events though create the pressure in the neighborhood. That's what we we're trying to relieve with this is just get that out of the neighborhood. Um, yeah. Okay. Council member Eggstrand. >> And again with football games, usually after a game, I'm I can get out of there in 20 minutes. Parking lots are clear and traffic's moving. >> Thank you, Council Member West. >> So, just to clarify, Council Member Angstran, you're recommending um that both of those openings stay there. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. with a gate. >> With a gate. >> Any further questions for Mr. Wald? >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, I think we have to make a decision on um whether we can keep do the resolution with number six in there or if we take it out. >> I would. >> Am I correct? I would personally like to hear if other council members have had like my I get it. It's my experience of being on there and like kind of feeling like oh boy I hope I don't get hit because that has been mine just you know navigating in there and also it's one person so I'm just wondering if other councils have had that that similar and again it's not saying there's an issue with the engineering I just think it's a person my personal experience driving in there I what you said resonated with me so I'm just wondering if others have any experience during events, not during the school day. >> Does anyone have any >> The times I've been there, I parked in the big big lot and gotten in and out just fine. So, I don't have the experience. >> Anyone else? >> I've been there once and I got lost. >> Thanks. >> Were you pondering something >> into the road? and I do not go there that often. So, >> Madam Mayor, just to move things forward, I these 50-50 engineering calls are difficult and I don't have a huge uh think one way or the other, but this one I'm I'm inclined to go with with with city staff on the recommendation. So, I'll move the resolution as as presented with that condition six in it. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> Second just for discussion. Well, if that that that's the vote. If there's no second, then that's an indication that there's no support. No, >> I'm >> I won't be offended. Trust me. It's that's >> Someone should move the the resolution without the with number six in it, perhaps. You know, >> motion dies for lack of a second. >> Yeah, sounds like it. >> Motion dies. Does anyone have another motion? I I think you sense a great deal of ambiguity and member Walsh, I think you're right. These engineering conversations, I don't have great insight one way or the other. My inclination is to provide flexibility, assume that the school district will use that flexibility responsibly and and manage, but I'm not ultimately convinced of either position. Okay. >> Well, I want to go home. So, I'll move the resolution removing item uh the condition six uh and letting the the district manage the Do we need to do one of the three options? Is that Do we need to We don't We need to micromanage that, do we? Or we we just move the resolution without that last uh condition, >> right? >> Uh mayor, members of the council, of course, you can make whatever recommendation and action you choose. Um but the the uh applicant has suggested a compromise of adding one of those three options. Either staffing it um adding temporary barriers like cones or uh a gate >> a gate. >> And so those are options before you as well. >> Okay. So, so you're suggesting we remove item six and add and I think um an amendment for >> my and if if it was my if I was the author of the amendment I would say um the least the least restrictive of those three which would be the temporary a staffer cost money the gate costs money it's all our money so trust them temporary barrier whatever they need to do to manage that uh entrance that would be my recommendation Is there any second on that? >> I give up. You guys, you guys, you guys propose something. I'll vote for it. Holy cow. >> Right. >> Uh, can I propose um the amendment to add a gate? >> Second. >> Okay. So right now on the table we have remove six but add uh stipulation that there's a gate >> bald eagle >> for bald eagle avenue >> correct? >> No, that's where the gate's going to go. >> No, the gate >> on the bald eagle. No, it's not bald eagle. >> No, not on bald eagle on the drive parking lot. >> Right. Okay. Right. >> Balding. >> All right. So I have a second on that. Is there any further discussion on that? Can can I just jump in and clarify too? So is the motion to approve the resolution with the ch the following change removing number six in the list of conditions and replacing it with uh requirement that the school district install a gate to so that they can control that gate and prohibit access during peak traffic periods. Just I want to clarify that we have the right motion. >> That is my understanding. Yes. >> Thank you. Maybe you'd use the word permanent gate. I think that's what you're you're saying, aren't you? >> Yes. >> I don't know if you do. Temporary gate, but permanent. >> So, that's the motion. Yep. >> We have a We did have a second. Yeah. And no more no more further discussion. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? >> Okay. Motion passes. >> Motion passes. All right, moving on to item nine A uh which has been tabled to March 24th. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Lindell, did you want to talk about the title of that at all for 9A? >> Oh, uh um just >> Mayor, members of the council, I'm sorry I was uh managing slides. Um so yes uh just to um um just to summarize for the council and anyone who may be in the audience or watching this item um at home um the applicant approached staff and requested to table this item um until next month to the March 24th meeting specifically um to allow more time for them to consider the feedback that came from um the neighborhood meeting and the planning commission meeting and what they ultimately might want to do if anything to uh adjust their plans. And so um this item again is moved to a date certain the March 24th meeting. >> Okay. So just to be clear that was the concept plan review for 3772 Hoffman Road and we're tableabling that until March 24th. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Thank you so much. All right. Item 10, communications from the city manager. Miss Crawford. >> Thank you uh mayor, members of the council. I do not have a slide. You don't need to finick with the PowerPoint anymore tonight. I was trying to tell you that but you weren't looking at me. Um I just one thing tonight quickly um uh Twin Cities Live is an afternoon show on KSTP local show. They are highlighting White Bear Lake the week of um the 16th. So next week and on the 19th they're having a live viewing party um at Rudy's on in the afternoon. So, if any um I think it is open to the public, but if any council members are interested in joining um a few of us up here that are going to be there um please let me know so I can add you to our reservation um and that's at 3:00 on the 19th. So, >> nightmare. Okay. Thank you very much. Um I just want to thank everybody for being here early for the work session um and for an open honest discussion. I think it was uh productive and I want to thank you. Um do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Any opposed? Okay, we're adjourned.