So call the meeting to order at 6 o'clock. Let's stand for the pledge to the flag of America. Any changes to the agenda? >> No, sir. >> No, sir. All right. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda for this evening? >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> All right. Everyone in favor? >> I. Okay. And we have a guest here tonight. >> Won't take long. >> Oh, yes. No rush. step right up there and just let us know who you are and I'd love to hear from you. >> Some of you might know me. Um Allison Clement. I am >> Yep. Look, sounds like it is. I'm a resident of Elco Market and I'm here to um talk about the planning commission's 2026 work plan, which includes developing zoning regulations for data centers. Um before that work begins, I just want to make sure the council understands what's at stake. I think we all know what's going on in Farmington. um the mayor was resigned after um basically getting in a public fight and I think with the um data centers in Apple Valley and Lakeville and proposed um pretty much in every city around here at this point. I just wanted to make sure that you guys know what these cities are getting into and also that um that we should understand that what's at stake, right? So, we've already had a preview of what an aggressive industrial water demand does to a city. When the city tested higher pumping rates in preparation for the Niagara bottle plant, magnesium magnes was released into our water system. discolored fixtures. Laundry is harmful. That was one facility and one test. I'm sure you guys are probably sick of hearing about that. So, other cities are not waiting for the state to act. If you don't know, the state is putting is sending through a bill right now that hopefully will pass that will be about raining in data centers and um also I think they might have it in there about um signing uh public elected officials signing NDAs as well um related to those data centers. But other cities aren't waiting for the state to act. Uh Egan became the first city in Minnesota to vote for a one-year moratorum on the new data center development on any new data center development. Resident at the meeting said water is the reason many data centers are coming to Minnesota. While we have abundant supply here, it's not infinite. White Bear Township just passed a proclaim proclamation opposing large-scale data center construction entirely, citing aquafer protection and long-term sustainability. Their town board members said we're not going to allow our water to be used. I'm asking the council to do two things. First tonight, consider a matorium on data center development while the state completes its review and while you develop your own zoning framework. You have that authority. Other cities are using it. Second, when the planning commission revisits data center zoning this year, approach it with the goal of making Elco New Market a place where this kind of development cannot take easily take root. set water impact requirements so so stringent that any proposals must prove that it will not harm our aquafer, our wells or our neighbors before it gets even a single hearing. Make the burden on the developer, not on the community. Our water is not a negotiating chip. It's not theirs or yours to negotiate with. Um, and I will also be filing a public records request under the FOIFA under the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act Act for all communications related to any data center inquiry the city has received or may receive just to keep everybody honest. So, um, I'm just going to give this to you. I only have one copy. Sorry, but this is Egan's um presentation when they decided to pass that. And there's also a paper in here that just tells you a little bit about how destructive um data centers are to the water in our state. So that's all I wanted to say. >> Okay. Thank you. Take that. And >> you're aware this is the park commission, right? No, >> this is not the city council. >> Where is it? >> It'll be here tomorrow at the same time. >> That's okay. No, that's all right. That's great. >> It's good practice. >> All right. >> I would like to respond a little bit though. So, that is just the the planning commission thing you saw. >> So, we're adding a definition of a data center into our code because we don't have we're currently silent on it. >> And that's kind of why I wanted to get a jump on it, right? And the reason we're doing it is because we feel we're more at risk now because we don't it could fit under this box or this box depending on who argues it. >> So in my eyes we're bringing that forward to give us more protections. >> Yeah. >> And to be candid we haven't had any plans of data center. We have had not no contact with any people from them >> um that I'm aware of and I'm pretty sure I'm aware of most of the things that we get contacted for. So um and we also don't have enough water right now like appropriations permit. We need to get another appropriations permit. >> Definitely. So, um I think what you're saying is passionate and wonderful and I just want to let you know that um I'm not seeing that as a realistic possibility of happening here anytime soon >> unless something comes out of nowhere. So, >> yeah. Well, I think that I wanted to get ahead of it because you know that they are out there >> wanting exactly this a small town that maybe doesn't have all the resources a larger town does so they can come in and >> uh do what they want to do. >> Right. I just wanted to be clear that we have no intentions of making it easier for them. We're just creating a definition so we can argue more appropriately and have fit let it fit in a box that it's supposed to fit into if if someone does come to propose one to us. >> Yeah. >> So >> cool. I've just got a question on in grant this I'm a park commissioner so I'm kind of oblivious to this whole um process but u I was here when I went through the our water >> company >> um issues just heard on the side sidebars every once but >> why are these data centers using so much water I don't I don't get that cooling >> cooling in what >> all the all the mega computers they have in there. >> And that's the reason they locate so much in the Midwest is because half the year we have a cooler climate. So that's why originally they come here into the Northeast instead of, you know, locating it to Texas or whatever. But they use water to cool the system down. Otherwise, it overheats and it doesn't work. >> Yeah, I got to understand that. I did I just didn't couldn't imagine that much water being used. And the reason that they're doing it, they're doing it so much is because the I think three biggest tech companies that have AI are >> spending billions and billions of dollars in that infrastructure. >> And um they they're competing right to see who can build the most >> and globally that's what where the competition is is building these AI centers. That's what you know that's the way of the world. I mean, maybe they have to come up with some other method. I think go to Freon or something to cool the things. >> I hear they're working on I'm sure that they will, but as of right now, it's it uses a ton of water. >> Yeah. >> Energy, too. But >> there's a young man on he's got a Facebook page and I don't know I can't remember his name, but he had the uh was it Farmington? He had that that >> that was a mess >> discussion, I'll call it. And uh and also he's the one that's uh he's talking about the bridges in Burnsville and he talks about all the stuff in southern Minnesota. I don't know if anybody's ever seen him. I somehow stumbled on it but it's really >> South Metro News Guy. >> Yeah, he's good. And he talks about all the parks that are being built and different things and really all real positive things too. But then he covers he's been covering that. So I he goes to council be on it. He's kind of like the guy that went and went after all of the dayare centers and stuff. >> So yeah, I definitely would recommend you come back tomorrow and share your thoughts to the council. >> I'm gonna just consider >> here a rehearsal. You know that's a rehearsal speech. >> Good practice run for you. >> Well, I think the parks are great. I mean >> doing our Thank you. We just won't use any water. Okay. >> Just a drinking fountain or two. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> That's funny. >> It's not funny. It's interesting. >> Yep. >> It is interesting. >> Well, when she was saying certain things, I thought I think she >> I did say, but I didn't want to interrupt her. >> No, no. I'm glad you did. Do you have another copy of your stuff there or >> you can >> you probably want your notes or your Yeah, >> this was just practice. I just wanted to practice. >> Yeah, there you go. >> You had a good audience. >> You did great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Well, that's an experience for me. >> All right. Um, motion to approve the minutes from last meeting. >> I'd like to motion to revise the minutes because I noticed in section 8 in paragraph two um I remember it being Renee Christensen rather than uh Commissioner Hokes that made the comment that we should keep the front of our mind decorum as we present. >> Okay. I I remember that too. must have. Okay. Okay. Thanks for playing. >> Did I say that? I didn't say that. >> No, you didn't. >> No, you didn't. That's why I >> That was you. That was Rene. No, thanks, Don. I appreciate that. >> Who's keeping you on your toes? I appreciate >> Thank you for reading, Vince. >> Be close enough to catch that. I've never had that happen. Do Do we approve it with revisions or do we wait till the >> Yeah, we just approve it with revisions as stated. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> I >> What was the motions on the or who who made the motions on that? >> There's no motion. >> I made the original motion. >> Andy second. Thank you. >> Changed >> on the general business. >> On the general business. Thank you. Yes. All right. Um, so tonight we're discussing the new developments proposed uh Boulder Heights South. Um the applicant is KJ Walk and tonight we're discussing the park dedication. So the city received a concept plan for uh three parcels which is approximately 30 acres of land located in the southernmost portion of the city. Uh this development is currently in the township and would require annexation. >> What does that mean? >> What annexation >> means we'd have to annex it into the city into the city limits. So it's under our jurisdiction. >> It's outside of it right now. Yep. >> Um so the developer KJ Walk has submitted two concept plans. Uh this is due to an ongoing traffic impact study that will determine the future of the alignment of Beard Avenue, which is the road bordering the east side of the development. Um so there are two likely outcomes that will occur from Beard Avenue. Um and each concept plan considers those. Uh the planning commission recommended approval of the concept plans at their February meeting. Um the estimated parkland dedication would be approximately 2.4 acres and the estimated cash in L would be approximately $100,000. So it's generally recommended that all neighborhoods are serviced by a neighborhood park, a park located within half a mile and not interrupted by major roadways or physical barriers. Uh this proposed neighborhood is located approximately 0.14 miles away from Boulder Heights Park at the northernmost point of the development and 39 at the southernmost point of the development which falls within the half mile range we use to determine if neighborhood park will serve this neighborhood. Uh so based on our standards, Boulder Heights Park adequately serves Boulder Heights South. Uh this image here shows the Boulder Heights South plans overlaid on an aerial photo. Uh the concept plan shows single family homes on the north half of the proposed development and apartments or town homes on the southern half. Uh and if and when apartments or town homes are proposed, it would require that 10% of the southern half uh be dedicated as usable open space and recreational use for future residents. So staff recommendation uh based on the city's 2040 comprehensive plan uh park and trail plan specifically city staff recommend the following for the proposed Boulder height south development. Um we recommend to construct 5 foot sidewalks adjacent to all local streets and construct a 10-ft trail on the west side of Beard Avenue. Uh we recommend full cash in lie of park dedication for the following reasons. Um this neighborhood is served by Boulder Heights Park. There's no park search area for these parcels. There will likely be a 10% open space requirement on the southern half of the development and the estimated $100,000 cash would help replenish the park dedication fund. Um, short presentation, but I think I hit all the important points. Um, so I'll leave it up to discussion for the commission. >> Can you pull the full map again? >> Yep. >> Kind of get an idea where we're at. >> This one here or or this one? >> All the other adjacent. >> What's the purple dot? >> The comp plan one. >> Comp plan. >> This one here. >> So, >> so does that go all the way down to the the other county road? >> Yep. It borders on County Road 86. >> 86. Yeah. >> Y do we have any idea what's going on around any of the other parcels around there. >> It's generally the same like northern half single family zoning and southern half along that county road 86 corridor is generally medium and high density residential because inund or 100 years we think that road will be a major major corridor connecting 169 to 35. >> How many years? a lot. >> Might go faster than you think. >> Then all those 10acre parcels are homesteaded for the most part right now around the rest of that area. >> Yeah. So it'll develop slowly. >> And then who would take responsibility for the snow removal on the sidewalks and care of that? Would it be the >> right now? So right now public works take care takes care of the bike path in any new development. The sidewalk adjacent to a city property would be public works otherwise it's the homeowner >> on sidewalks like we have certain paths through town that we take care of like for sidewalk but new developments homeowner would be responsible. You said uh there's a 10% open space for high or medium density >> for yeah for attached units >> attached just anything attached >> it's it's likely to be attached that's why I didn't want to say for sure we'll get 10% but >> but it has to be attached in order to >> medium density or high attached gets that 10%. Okay. >> Yep. >> And I don't think they'll be able to hit their density requirements without it. And they've said, KJ Walk has said that they want to expand their business portfolio into apartments and rentals. So, >> town houses >> either. Yeah, they they said eight unit apartments is the word they use. So, it's kind of townhouse apartment, I guess. Um, so I'm confident that will happen, but I can't promise that. >> So, you'd get an extra 10% >> of that space >> of that space as an open park area. Kind of >> just the southern half. Yep. >> On the southern half. That's more than we get developments. >> I know. >> I know. We'll change that. >> Yeah. >> Let's do that. >> We'll get that 10% more these days. >> You want me to throw my 10 cents worth in yet? >> I want you all to tell me your opinion. >> You want mine first? >> Sure. Go ahead, Paul. >> Well, I think you all know that I'll take land over cash anytime because you never get the land back. Never get the land back. Once it's gone, it's gone. Even though this is close to Boulder Heights, the uh one end is is pretty close to it. But as we know about Boulder Heights, it didn't turn out quite the way it was originally planned. We got a small mini park there now with a playground and a picnic shelter and a portable toilet. That that's that's about all the space that there is. otherwise it's all slopes and uh not even a good place to play play a game of catch. So my thoughts are that regardless of how close it is um that there's let me start this over every park and I think somebody mentioned this and I think it was the city manager might administrator said something about well this is kind of a way we should you know we should have a playground a picnic shelter and a portable toilet. It's not really the trend is going towards playgrounds as much as it is nowadays as open space, green space, preserving green space. So my feeling is is that even that small of a dedication, not that I'm just giving you a perspective, that's enough land to build two football fields on. So if you got the open space and you graded it flat, which a lot of our parks aren't very flat and then a lot of our parks have a lot of woods or wetlands and they I've walked them all and some of them that we count as neighborhood parks are not neighborhoodsized parks. They're small. So my way of thinking um is the preservation of the green space. Um we don't necessarily need a playground there. And if you did it on the side where the town houses and apartments are going to be, maybe we could glom on the property there and combine the park. You know, you don't know where I'm coming at. What? Give me a south and a north direction here. >> You mean on the southern half or the northern half? >> Yeah. So, it wouldn't it wouldn't be the part that's closest to Boulder Heights, but it' be if you had the acorage. I'll get a point at the damn thing. >> So, you got Boulder Heights Park here. Okay. So, that's about 800 ft to the closest house. But if you come down here, it's just my feeling that maybe we should preserve a corner of this development and then eventually when this develops, town houses, apartments, town houses, apartments have kids, too. people that use parks and we this is the same thing we did at the other the Eagle View places right where we're building the one park and we're going to now adjacent to that park there's going to be another park which we're going to combine to make more of a community park. My my thought is that if we take a piece of this and and then take a piece of this, we could have a nice size park. Probably get six acres away rather than three. And there's nothing wrong with having a three acre park. And as far as our comprehensive plan is concerned, I think it's it's it's not a very good comprehensive plan. As far as I'm concerned, even the areas where we built parks or got park dedication, it's not even in the search areas in some of the developments. I think the whole city should be a search area for parkland. I mean, seriously, even the ones that show the big the big circles, it's probably going to be industrial someday. You know, it's just it doesn't jive with what the city's going to what's going to happen in the city because now all of these developers all of a sudden are finding every corner they can find and building homes. That's that's just the gist of things. Whether it's in our park search area or not, things are going to change. That's my feeling. I'm a land guy rather than a cash guy. And I don't want us to keep going. We need the cash. We need the cash to build the parks, other parks. need the cash. Yes, we do to build build out some of our parks, but get the land. Someday down the road, I have a feeling we're going to have a referendum or some big industrial complex is going to come in and pay us a ton of park dedication money because we won't take the the park just like the water place, you know, gave us a lot of money. And um that's that's that's my part. But how many houses are in here? I tried to count them. I think there 60 60 homes. I just get this feeling when you building when you're building single family residents homes there's I always think of two kids per house. Right. Right. So you multiply that out how many kids that are going to be in that that particular neighborhood. And then I'm going to I'm not going to go back in the way it was, but Minneapolis, you know, Minneapolis, every two blocks, that's the way old Theater Worth and the original developers of kids had about two blocks to walk between a park. That was that was about it. There you got playgrounds, tennis courts, waiting pools, the whole nine yards, and a recreation center. So you you know that I know that well because I used to have to was in charge of those. >> So I don't think the proximity plays that big a role. I never let developers will typically give you parkland this far out away from it should be in should damn near be in the middle of the of the development instead of out on the outskirts of the development. So I won't talk anymore. That's >> that's my two cents. >> These are going to be the town houses and apartments in here. Correct. >> Mhm. Yep. Correct. >> And how long would that be? >> We don't know when that will happen. >> Yeah. It's hard to say, >> but within 5 to 10 years probably. >> Well, I assume sooner than that. It'd be phase one and then phase two. I'm guessing a year apart or two years apart. >> So, if we take a chunk here and then take a chunk down here, then you'd be get looking at six acres or so. >> Yeah. And Yes. But that 10% is uh open space and recreation. So say it's an apartment built like a complex and they put in a gym inside that counts. >> Well, we don't have to approve that though. >> No, but that is part of the 10%. So like that would count towards that. >> I don't know if that's neither here nor there. So >> I mean >> the other one has it. >> Sometimes we we would give we give them credit for >> they have like their own work. >> What's the current road? it it's either that or the road doesn't move. I think those are the only two outcomes that are likeational area. >> But the trend now is not to put playgrounds in every park and that's I just talked to a planner park a planner that said no a lot of places are just green space preservation space maybe picnic share and trails trail connections. So that's >> So I think if we're going to go with that kind of a plan instead of getting something right in the middle, maybe if we aim for along the western edge just south of where the last houses are. Um that way it's when the adjacent property to the west develops, then we could try and get more land right there al together and have a even bigger park. >> It's a pretty big parcel to the east though, right? >> Uh to the east. I think it's two 10 acre parcels >> to the west or to the east >> or to the west is to the east is the road >> I look like a big square on the bigger >> oh on the east side >> let me pull it up >> on the east side of beard it's a an old farmstead that goes into a swamp >> well I feel like this new development is only going to be within two blocks of the existing Boulder Heights park so I don't know that it would be necessary to have another park in that close of proximity to the other park. Um >> doesn't seem like any of the other parks in the neighborhood. >> My point was I was trying to make is that okay, Boulder Point has a playground now. >> You don't necessarily have to put a playground in it, but it doesn't have a place to go. You can play you can play a game of catch or touch football there. >> Yeah. But it also has the trail around the wetland too that is park space. So there is more than just the playground there. If if the apartment has to do 10% of the land as some kind of recreational space, I mean, that'll give enough space for people to go out and play catch and kick a soccer ball around and stuff like that. >> Well, not necessarily if what Derek said. >> Well, and that 10% is only on the 50ish% of that whole parcel area. >> Yeah. >> And then if they do a wreck room inside of their apartment building, that counts towards that 10%. So you're I don't know how they value those. >> Well, I don't know. >> So it would whittle it down to even less land space then. >> Trying to see the topography on the land. >> Yeah. Let me let me turn it on. >> Did that picture show like a plan space for the open space or No. >> No. So, we got into that debate one time about um wreck rooms and things like that, but they're for the people that live in those places and they're not open to the public typically. I mean, kids, >> that's correct, >> right? But yeah, assuming that it wouldn't all be inside. Whatever is outside is >> Yeah. >> open to the public. >> Yeah. >> What am I looking for here? >> Thank you. Can I kind of sidetrack us real quick on something that might help me make my decision? Um, so I noticed last month, first of all, sorry I couldn't make it. Um but in the budget um I saw that that the like the newest development like that top northwest corner >> Highlands at Eagle View >> Highlands. >> So we took the land right but I noticed that there's a budget for the park. I'm curious where that came from. Uh, the city the city council >> city council just >> I Rene I wasn't in this role yet. I don't have the details but from what Renee told me city council >> just gave us money for a park. >> We Jake had it in the in the budget when he quit and I saw it in there. I talked to Tom about it and the last next thing I heard it was approved in the budget. >> That was brought up uh last year about um asking the city council for more because we were we were trying to research ways how we could get money to develop parks and they and they brought it to the city council as part of the budget. So us taxpayers are paying for it. But it's it's one most cities do that. Most cities will budget for a park capital fund, you know, for for building playgrounds and trails and things like that. We don't have one. I mean, it's just we've been kind of >> right >> on a hit and a miss to try to get the money out of dedication or you know, we get we got some gambling money. I know, >> right? But that was remember went through the whole discussion about raising money, how we could raise money and but >> nobody could come up with any options. But I think Tom mentioned the idea that maybe we just have to ask the city council to give us some money to pay for these parks. >> And they could sell municipal bonds, too. I don't know for parks. That's always an option. If you want to build a big park, you have some municipal bonds and been down that road before too. Or then or then you go I don't remember the discussion about that, but there was something about that they were saying. >> Yeah. Or you go to referendum someday which is very answer. >> Well, I mean it's helpful. I mean basically what I'm hearing is I mean, it almost, you know, I I kind of agree with what Paul's saying about land in this case and almost hearing what I just heard is once we get the land like what do we just ask for the money and it's I mean, you know what I Why do we have to plan >> right this >> you know to try to save our money to build it ourselves if >> that that money that >> willing to >> maybe council was willing but the council made that decision but it was that money was in our park fund. They didn't allocate any extra money >> that that that 182 that's planned for highlands that was already >> that was part of our park dedication fund. They didn't add any more money to what to our funds. >> Where would the money come because it wasn't in the compreh or the the budget or you know what I mean like >> because that just came >> money out of park dedication >> because that just came within the last year like that money wasn't planned for >> we got money from Niagara I know >> but that's in our like reserve which isn't >> that right >> it is that so our park dedication funds is like that's the cash in loo and that's what we can use to build new park facilities so it it is the same fund >> so you're saying all that money that we were considering the Wagner Park Trail, the pickle ball courts, all that that we got from Niagara went to this new park. >> Well, Wagner Park Trail is also funded. >> Um, >> but all that so we don't have any more money in the bank after >> we do I think I think we have 324,000 right now and that's 182. So, we would have whatever the math is on that. 300 in the V. Where are these numbers? >> I'll pull up the >> I thought it was only like 160 or something. >> It was60 in the last records we used. You're right. >> Like that's what we were >> that was the balance in the last >> Oh, go ahead. >> Was that without Highlands money in there since that's already been dedicated to the park? Maybe. So you had 160 left. No, like the development wasn't even brought to us at that point. >> I think I asked that question. Where the where do we get 160? Because we didn't have that. I mean, my understanding is, yeah, we're have 160 some odd dollars in the bank that we can use on whatever. And what I'm hearing is that's been given to this new part. I don't know. I can >> That's a good question. >> But again, I'll go back to my old honess >> train. You're never going to get the land back, >> right? >> You're always there there's always going to be a way to find money. You're always going to be a way to find money. Um >> you know what? But I'm wrong. Sorry, Dan. So, we have 302,000 in our general fund and then we have in our park dedication fund 325,000. That 325,000 will that's where that 182,000 will be subtracted from from the park dedication fund. So, this this number here has this uh general fund 302,000 has nothing is not going to be used for the Highlands project. >> So, you're saying that's what we as part in the bank in reserve, right? >> That's like twice as much as I thought. >> I don't know. I'll pull up. Let me look at what we had in uh the month prior. >> Maybe I'll just look at a random one >> after the the um water plant Niagara >> like 180 some, right? And then >> we got some money from those apartments by the those apartment complex. We got a little bit. Okay. >> No, from the new ones that are being built there. >> Yeah, >> we got that. And then there was >> Was there anything? I think that's about it. >> You're right. From September last year, we had 97,000 in this fund and now we have 300. So, >> but 182 of that 300 is going No, that's >> 182 of this. This is from September, so it's outdated, but the park dedication fund. So, I'll uh let me pull this up. >> So, you don't think that the city council allocated any of our any of the budget money funds? >> I wasn't told that. I feel like they would have probably somebody would have probably said something to me about that. Yeah. >> Not that I'm aware of that in that. >> Tom talked about that at one point. I remember I I maybe I dreamt it or I could have been drinking heavy. Can't see that. I don't I forgot about this. See my screen. Okay. So, yeah, this park 501, the fund 501 is our capital outlay. That's our reserves. >> Yeah. >> And then this fund 230 park dedication is the park dedication fund and that is what the 182,000 is being taken out of. So, if I go here. So, basically, I guess what I'm hearing now is city council kind of went above us, took the land, and is taking our money to build the park without >> No. >> So, I guess we do a levy. So, this is how much in 2026 or 2025 they levied. So, with taxes 65,000 and that went into our It looks like I'm not an expert. I wish Tom was here for this one, but >> So, I don't know. I feel like I'm not being helpful. Um, >> it won't be the first. >> No, they didn't. And I I don't know how it works exactly either, but they they allocate so that we have an idea of what that's going to cost, but it didn't actually take it out of the fund yet. So they they figure out what it's going to what they think it's going to cost to develop that >> and then put it into the budget plan. Right. >> Right. Yeah. But it hasn't actually been taken out yet. When we get to that point, we're figuring it out, then we're gonna find out what it is because things change, trends, you know, equipment, if we're gonna put, you know, but they're estimating it on whatever our value is right now if we were going to do something like that. And that's where we get our uh stuff from our um from I can't Bolton and Mink, right? They they know they're doing this with all different places. So, they kind of have an idea what that's going to cost us. And so, they allocate it in the budget that we're going to have to do that. >> But it's not coming off of the 300 reserve that we have. >> That's coming out of the 325 park dedication fund, >> right? >> Yeah. Not the general, like an estimate, >> but then then it goes back to the question is so that does the city council put $65,000 into the park capital fund every year for us? >> It's different. We have >> Well, most of them were 65 and 70 and it was pretty >> it increases $5,000 for like the next two or three years. At that point, it'll level off unless they do it again and add to it. >> I think that was from what I remember when Jake was here. >> Yep. Exactly. started at like 55,000. >> Yeah, it looks like 65,000 last year, 70,000 this year, and then 75,000 for the next 25 years is what's planned >> unless we change it, >> right? Ask to change it again. >> What's going to happen though is the the prices for >> everything, playground equipment and all that stuff. You can spend $65,000 on a set of playground equipment. >> Yeah. >> So, we're we're always going to be running short. Is there something in there that we can't increase it only so much? >> I don't remember. There's something about it that we couldn't >> increase it too much at this point. >> Well, it's because they don't want to >> put the burden on the taxpayer and raise taxes and that's what the city council the mayor can ran on that platform has not raised tax. But cities all the time will like I said do different funding methods whereas municipal bonds or Northville just building a million dollar skating rink and they didn't even go to the public or do anything they just said yeah we're going to we're going to fund it taxpayers are going to pay for it. So yeah I ramble >> that's okay. So is that >> yeah I'm just I don't know >> it's not actually but we're look they estimate based on today's and they do I don't remember um Rick had kind of explained it to us at one time back in the day how um they figure in if we're going to build it in you know we're looking at 2030 we're going to build it there's a they know like a percentage >> they add a 10 or 15% increase per whatever years and >> exactly >> they add to it. >> They know what's trending. I mean, they're doing this for everybody and they're in that, you know, we rely on them to >> basically budgeting and putting in the capital outlay but using our parks dedication money to fund it, >> right? And that's also the rest of it then is they're looking at all the repairs. That's why we have that all the repairs and we're going to have to replace this equipment. So, >> and certain funds can only be used on certain things, >> right? >> And that's my that's my understanding of why we're using park dedication is because only the park dedication fund can be used to fund a brand new park, >> but a lot of the repairs and stuff is budgeted under. >> So, like we're doing the historic Elco Park that's getting budgeted out of the gambling fund bank account >> because it's a replacement. So, we don't have to use the park dedication fund. And like Pet Hill sign for example like that is coming out of the reserve the capital outlay reserves >> that was in the budget three years ago. >> Oh it's actually happening this time. So I don't know I don't know what to say. >> I just had to throw that in there. But the other thing is is that I haven't lived here that long four plus years. Uh this community is changing a lot faster than that first year that first two years I was here. All of a sudden, we're getting these 150 homes here, 150 homes here, 150 homes. It's going to affect public works like crazy, you know, just the length of streets and sidewalks and all that stuff. It's just and and parks and I don't think we can keep up with just our 65 $75,000 a year. I don't think we will. >> But once we get that's why we're pushing for we want to get some industry, right, and get because they're going to pump money into it. And I don't know what's coming. Data center. >> Huh? >> That was it. >> Right up next to your house. >> That's fine. >> So on the screen here, I'm showing an example like Kelly Glenn Park. So you know, we purchased this play system, this play system in 2003. We're going to replace it in 2028 and we're going to use the capital outlay fund for replacement. Well, while if Kelly Glenn was a brand new development, brand new park, we would have to use the park dedication fund. And I can confirm that that 65,000 does go into the capital outlay because it says so right here. Increase capital outlay 5k per year up to 75,000 in 2027. >> So most of that's going to get burnt up in uh just >> replacing >> replacing stuff we already got. >> Yep. >> So hopefully that was helpful. And then when you build your big highlands uh meadows at Eagle View Meadows, >> that big park, that's going to be all out of your your park dedication money. >> Which though >> which probably is not enough to >> is already cutting more than half of what we have. >> Yeah. >> After Highlands, it'll be at roughly 142,000. >> It's funny because nobody could come up with any good ideas on how to fund our park system. What did you say the uh dollar amount for this cash? >> 100,000. >> So you good? Go back to this. >> It's it's already gone to the planning commission for approval. >> It did. I >> didn't it come to us first? >> I It needs to go to both. It didn't go there for approval for preliminary plat. It has to come to you before that. But for concept plans, I think it's I was surprised at that, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. But there's nothing written in our code saying that it has to come here first for a concept plan. But it doesn't if you recommend parkland, then they'll have to create something new >> and go back to and go back to the planning commission. >> Well, then the last time we we recommended parkland and they said no. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> then the city council stepped in to say yes. You know, >> no, I think we took the cash and then they overturned and said no, >> no, it was high. It was for Highlands. We recommended cash. You guys chose land. Planning commission chose cash. City council backed you guys and went with land. >> Yeah. >> So, city council has the final say. You guys just recommend what you want. >> Planning commission recommends what they want. >> City council went against what we agree on. >> Commission did. >> Okay. >> And there were only three of them present that night. The one that likes bus was not there. So the planning commission has a say in parks. >> They have a say in the the configuration of the whole development where you guys specialize in the parks. They can say >> doesn't make sense. >> Doesn't make sense for a park to be here. We'd rather it just look like what they're presenting here. >> Interesting. >> I don't know. I guess hearing what Paul said, I it made a lot of sense to me because in that area like I mean there is no really open for kids to run around and play whatever. Um, and I don't think that 10% from the apartments is really going to give much, especially if indoor spaces would count. >> And there's, you know, there's nothing wrong with having a nice flat graded couple acres just for kids >> with grass and mow it. >> You also have to remember you don't get to choose what land you get. >> Oh, you can be pretty. I think they don't they kind of plat their system around. >> We can >> you can recommend what you want, but >> Well, Meadow View, we we change that a lot. >> Change that a lot. >> You're both right. Like they they'll come first and give what they think is best and then we can say yep or no. >> Okay. >> And then they have to they will change it >> well done by the pond. >> Yep. Which is next on our agenda. So I'll show you what it looks like now. >> They're going to give you the worst piece of Well, I won't get into it. So that's why I wanted to look at what was the land on either side. >> Well, the east side is that's I'll share my screen again. >> The east side has like 30 feet of drop. So it goes from 1160. Is it showing 1160 1150 here which is on the sub the parcel we're talking about. And then over on beard here it goes to 11:30 11:20 I guess 11:40 here but and then on this side if it'll load. I have terrible internet in this room for some reason. So this square here is the east or the east western most of the one we're talking about. So it looks like it's at about 1150 here and then waiting to see what this yellow line is. >> You're gonna have to grade that whole plot in order to build. >> Yeah, >> it will be flat, right? >> Yeah. But I think Mike is asking about like the adjacent property, >> right? >> Which they have to blend into it in a way, but uh it's pretty even. It's pretty slight. It's pretty flat on the west side. >> Give me a scraper and a couple cats. I'll flatten it out. So, you know, if >> But that's what I wanted to see is where they were looking at proposing their town homes. >> Yep. >> Is there possibility that >> I say yes. >> So, this is about where you know, maybe imagine a line here and this is the apartment spot. So, if we're going by what Andy said, you know, put it on the west side. So, this could potentially add to it in the future. It'd be like right around here and it's relatively flat on the western parcel. >> I would say if we're going to try and get land, I would for that area and just leave it undeveloped and just have it be an open space for kids to play and whatever since playground isn't really that far away. >> And I and like I got to shut up after a while here. I talked too much, but the trend really is going a lot towards open space and picnic areas and playgrounds are are are always going to be there, but they're they're kind of a thing of the past as far as park planners are concerned. I just talked to one that's why I know that trails and open space. >> Would that open that 8% be large enough for a potential baseball field or something in the future? I don't think baseball. 2.4 acres. >> I don't know. >> You get a football field in it. >> Football. >> Could you pull up the >> one and a quarter? >> Yeah. proposing >> this one. >> So they're proposing running beer or just another road off of beer. >> Yeah. So this is I'll just I'll >> in my opinion there's two possible options. What happen? It's currently right here. It'll either stay there or it'll curve in and this won't exist. this road anymore. So, I don't know what'll happen. We have to wait for the traffic to come back, but it's either going to be this or it's going to be this. >> Why Why wouldn't they run it straight though? >> Something with the sight lines and the curvature of 86. >> Yeah. >> Because it comes in on a corner and for the county doesn't >> you're coming downhill >> into a curve. >> So, So on this plan, right? >> Yeah. And that one on the bottom left isn't like one building. It'll be a group of buildings, I'm guessing. >> Town homes. >> That's a home. >> That is a home. And that's still going to be a home. That that's not included in this. >> There are twos. >> That's what they're that's what they're proposing. >> Well, looks like they're putting it. Well, if the road gets curved the way it shows here, they'll put apartments there. If it goes straight, >> it'll just be like on the west side of the road instead, they still get the same amount of >> Oh, so this road be like >> Yeah. >> on both sides or >> Yeah. And the more I think about it, I think the land would be good to have because the apartments and town houses are going to be on the far south end and that's apartments I feel like are more likely to have smaller kids in them. >> So, it' be good to have something that, you know, short legs are going to be able to get to without getting tired out. >> I'm just wonder >> if you could square it up somehow. with the way but it drops off over there. So you're looking at this side but they could put their we could propose they put their open space on this side and then look at when this develops you can look up to it. So, so we 10% depending on how they're going to figure that in. But >> right, >> but we we take the cash and then we propose that they put their open stays this way towards this property. 10% that see I know it's not a guaranteed 10% but land that they have to give us they can put it that way towards that property >> right where it says R2 >> but then if you took some land from the other from the Boulder Heights those four lots there you'd have a nice size park >> you see what I'm saying the four bottom um lots >> right above the the R2 >> right above the R2 >> two on each side of the road >> if you took that as the land but then you get the best let's see yeah we could figure that out >> and this is a concept plan who knows what they'll come back with after they after the traffic study's done >> it could completely change but you know the the big question is >> yeah parkland or cash >> and I think we'll get chance to give your you'll give another chance to get your opinion on where if you choose land where that would be. >> Do you know where the city limits is currently right here? >> Yep. >> Right there. >> Yeah. >> Basically the end of that culde-sac on the left side of the screen. >> Yep. But that one that house that you're pointing at right to the south there. >> I can go down to 91 then. >> No. >> No. Here, I'll pull up. >> Basically, it's a square that goes up to the golf course and then it spreads out. >> I'll pull up a different screen, show you guys. >> Is that considered a township then? >> Yep. >> What is it? >> New Market Township. >> New Market Township. >> So, here's the here's the three parcels currently still outside the city limits. So, this is township. Township. All this is township. Township town. Everything except for what's developed here >> is township. >> We've been trying to get a street light down on that corner of 91 and two. Is it 265? Is that >> 275th? >> Yeah. You don't want to deal with the township because they don't we got to do what the county says no deal with the township. I think they put a sign up for us. I can pull up a different screen. I'm not sure what you guys want to see right now, but >> I don't see anything good there. But then it could be if we can >> have them to on the west side of their open space. So, It really depends on what my opinion is. That's unfortunate. At this point, we're supposed to give a decision before we have all the information. I could also >> at this point I feel more cash because I don't see anything and then we just have them try to put their space on that side so that when that other area develops those we can lock in with that not on the west side. >> I feel like it really depends on what the apartment complex is going to do with as far as their 10% goes. If they're going to have it be all outdoors, if it's going to be partly indoors, >> right? >> I think it's safe to assume that it'll be partially indoors. Every apartment that I see that's built now new, has a recreation area, yoga room, small gym, maybe a pool. >> Yeah, I guess it depends on how big >> credit for that. >> That's considered recreation in the city code there. So that's why that's why I want to make sure you guys >> to see that ordinance because I' I've never seen that happen before because apartment complexes and those typically that's private space for their membership or for the people that live there. >> It is for them but our city code requires that apartment complexes or attached buildings provide for 10% >> of recreation or open space for their for their people. >> Yeah. And if it's outside then obviously like I think someone else could >> the public can't use it though. So you can't count it as public space. >> I don't know. I mean >> there's no guarantee that we will continue developing to the west either, right? >> I think at some point in time we will, but you know these 10acre parcels, it's tough to say because kind of a developer to realistically build something here would have to buy them both. So there would have to be two willing sellers here. They could go 10acre by 10 acre, but you know, put a street in there and then you get like a house on each side. I don't think >> those new there's new houses there. >> Uh, this was just recently purchased in >> Pull that back up, Brandon. It'll Yeah. >> Oh, sorry. I thought I still >> I know some of them are like on the north half right next to Boulder Heights. Those are a lot of newer houses. Some of the ones on 86 are a little older. >> So, this one was just purchased in 2004. And then this one was recently purchased and not since 2010. So I think if you bought the house in 2024, I think they plan on sticking around there for a while. This one, it's hard to say. They look like pretty nice houses to me. >> Yeah. Imagine that, >> right? And you know, I agree, but also is our job to plan for 100 years from now. and assume assume that eventually this will all be part of the city and developed. >> Some developer comes in offer some big money for it, >> right? Like if you just looked at it as it is today, it makes no sense to have apartments on in that spot. >> But if you look at in 100 years, it will make sense, I guess, is my point. >> I don't know. I think I like the idea of just the land and see what they come up with. And if we suggest land right now, can we change our mind later on? So they they have more of a concept just >> I don't I don't know. I've never been asked that. I don't I don't see I mean >> Yeah, >> I hear I hear what you're saying though about not having the full all the information to make the decision. And I think you know you guys have the right to continue this conversation to another meeting and wait for that kind of stuff. to say we want the we could say we want the land and then this planning commission can shoot shoot it down too >> right >> they they did last time so >> but then it would have to go to council >> the council gets the final call anyway >> final call >> because I don't see that east >> no but there's going to be a major road connect I would say that they cut that road in >> right if this road was like like this instead. >> Yeah. And you could cut that piece there. So I don't see that. Looks like you got >> doesn't play into affect what we're talking about now though, does it? Down the road. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But if they put their recreational space on that side, then >> just have that whole chunk over >> that chunk over there would be >> connect, >> right? They could easily just not they could they could screw screw the parks comm essentially and just put it all so it doesn't even make sense for to connect somewhere else. they could do that. So, I wouldn't count on that that land being there. >> So, I mean, if we take the land and they come back with a plan, >> we don't have any more say, we reject that plan or that's all a planning. >> No, if they come back if if we recommend plan or a park land, they would have to create a new concept plan, which >> we'd have to approve that still or >> Oh, yeah. You'd have to because you know like for Eagle View Meadows for example that kind of happened and then we said no the topography is not right. The pond is way too big taking up way too much park space. >> Okay. >> And then they adjusted it and then they So for that one specifically we're going to do that talk about that next but we I didn't bring it back because they >> did everything you wanted them to. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I mean, I think I'm liking the idea of just asking for land and see what they bring to us. And >> but it's pretty big risk if they decide to develop something indoors to take up that space for recreation. Then there wouldn't be any land for us to control. >> I don't think we should worry about that one. I really don't. >> Well, the 8% that we would get is separate from the 10% they have to do. >> We're still going to get our percentage of land. >> Yeah. So that >> that 8% that 2.4 acres is separate from that 10%. >> Yeah, we'd still got our 8% on the deal. >> So if you wanted to be conservative, you would assume that they all that 10% would be unusable to the public. That would be the conservative approach >> because yeah, it doesn't look like they're planning for open space and I don't know that would probably mess their whole plans up if we asked for it. redesign that whole thing, especially with the road. >> They're planning for some open space to the south though, isn't that what you said initially >> that they were planning for some open space? >> We require 10% open space or recreation on that southern half of the property, >> but that doesn't that could all it could be indoors. It could be unavailable to the public. So, I wouldn't want you guys to think that I wouldn't want you to assume that that's going to be available to be used as park. >> I've been down that road before. It might be available, but it might not. And I wouldn't want you to assume that. >> Their open space park in West St. Paul we were working on was right in the middle of the apartment complex. >> Nobody went in there and it even said private property. Nobody could go in there and use it. >> Like a courtyard, right? >> Like a courtyard. >> Nobody used I mean from the outside went and used it. I mean, but they got some credit for it, I guess. But that was bad developers. I wish this was off. But >> you're right though, Don. Imagine they, you know, for example, they build, you know, buildings here and make it a square and then in the middle of those buildings is a courtyard. That would count towards their open space. And like obviously nobody from the house to the north would come down and use that probably. >> Maybe. I'll make a motion that we accept that land as dedication that dedication be land. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor? All >> three to two. It was uh Dan >> Paul, >> right? Okay. >> And but they uh again, we we can do what we want, but the planning commission can come in. >> Right. >> We can only control we can control though. And if you guys want land, >> and I don't know how the city council feels about park land either. I have no Be nice to have a workshop with the city council sometime. I we used other cities do it, you know, have work workshops with city council and park commissions. It's kind of nice sometimes. >> I'm sure you can pitch it. >> Get to know people. >> They do workshops before their council meetings. You could probably pitch something. >> I I bet they would be open to that. >> Yeah. >> All right. Pizza's donut. >> Eagle view. All right. All right. So, I just wanted to give you guys an update about Eagle View Meadows Park. Um, so the city received a preliminary plat application for approximately 80 acres of land guided towards low density residential called Eagle View Meadows. Um, as shown on the map there, the proposed development is a combination of four parcels located in the northwest portion of the city and it was recently annexed into uh Elco market city limits. Uh, just for reference, right to the west there is the Highlands Highlands at Eagle View. >> So, wait, wait. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Go back. Go back. >> Yep. >> Where where's Highland? >> Right here. >> Okay. >> I get why it's confusing. They're all named pretty much the same thing. >> Yeah. I know. It's got a road going through it. >> Yeah. All right. So, uh the disc the commission discussed the concept plan for Eagle View Meadows last August and you guys recommended full parkland dedication which they've proposed 6.92 acres in this plan compared to the 6.54 that's required. uh parkland location to be centrally located along the southerntherly edge of the plat so that when those properties to the south develop we can add additional land to it and make a nice big park. Uh land dedicate land dedicated must have topography and configuration conducive to developing the park with facilities typically found within a neighborhood park. So like we touched on a few minutes ago, you know, there was a big pond in the middle of it and so we we asked them to change that and they did. Uh we also um asked them to construct five foot sidewalks along all local streets, 10 foot trail on the north side of 255th which is the east west collector and a five- foot sidewalk on the south side at 255th and a few more five foot sidewalk on the east side of Nevada and a 10 foot trail on the west side of Dakota. Uh so the commission recommended that the land as depicted as shown in the concept plan in August be reconfigured. So this is what it looked like in August. Um, and like I said, there's that pond that we didn't like right in the middle of the proposed park space. And then this is what they've got now. So, they switched those storm water ponds to the east there. And they did what we asked. The topography will be, you know, usable and we'll be able to connect to the southerntherly properties. So, >> I think we achieved our goal and it's going to be a really nice park someday. >> Put a trail connection in there. Nice. Yeah. So, I'm excited about that. >> Well, that's good. I'm glad you're >> So, I like I said, this was just an update. Uh, this is all I put together for this. So, if you guys have any questions or anything, I'd feel them. But, yeah. >> Did they Did they um actually lay out some of the playground areas and all that stuff in there? >> They did on the one prior where we asked them to move it. >> Yeah. >> I haven't seen it on this. No. >> You haven't seen it on this? >> No. No. >> Okay. >> So, what are those triangles and stuff up? See out lot E and I'll go up to the right of that. What are those outlines? >> Pond. Ponds. >> Ponds. Ponds. >> Yep. >> There's three ponds. >> I think there's a space in the It's hard to tell, but I think there's two. And then in between them there's not. >> Okay. We don't playground next to a park. >> Well, in the layout of the the actual park, that'd be up to us, not the developer, right? >> Correct. >> We have no funding for this 140, >> correct? >> Of what? after the after we spend that 182,000 on Highlands, our park dedication fund will be the 140 or whatever and that's what we have available for this. So, which is fine, but I think that, you know, >> going to be a bigger park is >> Yeah. So, we'll either have to peacemeal it, build, you know, one thing at a time or wait till we have more funding >> leave it open space until >> Exactly. >> Yep. And it's flat. >> Yes. >> And no trees. >> There you go. >> Till afterwards we plant those. >> Yeah. >> Football field, >> soccer field. They have a when that will be finished. The whole >> they're >> they're working through it fast. Like this is going to planning commission on the 31st for preliminary plat and I assume it'll go to the city council in April. >> You should drive. Do you know How long the development will >> like how long it'll take to build out fully? >> I'm guessing three phases. Probably three to five years >> from when they start construction. >> You think they'll be building houses next year? >> Yeah. >> I think they'll be out. I think they'll be done. I think they'll be done grading this year if not pulling permits at the end of the year. >> I don't know how fast they can go through it. I bet they have houses this year. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You should drive out there if you haven't been out there. It's amazing. And it'll start their first phase is going to be it has to be on the west side because that's the road connection for them >> and we're stubbing in electric and water into the park. >> Yep. >> So if they're starting on the west like they could use the Highland Park in the meantime until we find >> Yes. >> And the Highland Park is this like this year. So Yep. >> This year it's getting built. One of these meetings upcoming here, I'll be bringing in options from the park from different park vendors for you guys to look at. >> Say we'll be starting second phase here shortly. >> Yeah, I think it's I think >> that development and the park is in the second phase. It's in the initial part of the second phase. >> Yep. And that's definitely going to be done this year. If not, I think a couple months they're going to file for a final plat. >> They've got four houses in that development already. They're I see a new house permit every other day from them probably. They are pumping them out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That'll be They're going crazy up there. >> Pray to hold it with >> any more questions about that. >> And I put this overlay on here just so you guys can kind of see what it's what it'll look like compared to what's around it right now. It's not very telling, but I don't know. And a little another snippet is Dakota on the on the east side of the development. There is gravel, but uh I'm guessing this is how it's going to work is twothirds through the way. Like I said, they're starting in the west. We won't let them build that last third unless they until they pay for pay Dakota. Yep. >> The developers going have to pay for that early. They have to improve any surface that adjoins their property >> since traffic will be coming out onto that for sure. They have to improve it. >> I love that. >> And they're doing a traffic study, I think, right now. And but we don't allow them to connect roads to gravel. >> So, they'll have to pave it and make it a city road. >> So, they have to pay to pave it all the way to where the pavement ends on Dakota. it's outside their development. >> Yeah. >> But that, you know, if they get lucky that uh that property to the south will sell and somebody will develop it before they get to their third phase, which I think is a really real possibility, >> updates? Not really. Nope. Um tree removal still going. public works uh closed the ice rinks on February 17th. Myself, Derek, and Renee met the descendants of Pete Kusen, who Pete's Hill is named after. We had lunch with his granddaughter, I think, and his greatgranddaughter. >> At Firehouse last week and got some cool pictures and stories from them and names. So, I don't Have you worked with your Have you seen? >> I haven't worked with Renee hasn't sent any of that over yet. Okay. >> I got a thumb drive, too, that one of the gave it to me. Guy that lives up on top of the hill by me. You know who I mean? Um Jean Jean and live up on that. He gave me a thumb drive with the whole history. I should give it to you. >> I don't have any use for it. But >> so yeah, that we're working through that and that sign will be put up here in the spring, I'm sure, once we get final designs. But I did mention though, it' be nice because that's just a gra dirt thing around. >> The sign's going to go behind the bench up there. >> I I guess I think that's where it's going. >> I don't Yeah, >> I think it's going behind the bench. >> What you guys decided on last year or the year before? >> Yeah, that was decided. But the circle itself, we should um we're always picking that up. And it's it's a if we It'll be a hell of a job though to cement that in or to fill it in or paper bricks up there. I don't know something. But keep it. >> Oh, all the way at the top you're talking. >> Yeah. All the way at the top behind around the bench in that circle around. Okay. Yep. Now I know what you're talking. So >> I remember the picture now that I got from >> Y >> that's all I think I have for updates. >> You know, >> that's all we got. >> One thing we should talk about I hate I'm such a jabber box. It's probably because I don't get to talk to anybody during the day. But anyway, um, we got to talk about the naming of those parks, too. Eagle View at Meadows and Eagle. Why don't we just call them Meadows and what's the other one? >> Highlands. >> Highlands. >> Oh, one Highland and one Meadows. Leave out Eagle View at, you know, >> that's kind of what we already talked about. >> Did we? >> Yeah. >> How do we go about doing that? >> Like when do we do that? How can we just say as a board say that I make a motion we name that one? Meadows. I make a motion we name that one. >> I think that's a good question. >> Okay. >> Uh I think you know I just I don't know the exact answer, but I know that I won't that I will make sure to get your guys' opinion. >> Yeah. >> And your take on it before it's named. I don't know when or how, but I can guarantee that they won't just name it without you guys hearing about it first. >> Yeah. Would you some of you just >> Sounds good. >> I mean, yeah, Eagle View is the name of the school, right? So, >> yeah, but they're both Eagle View. >> So, the development to the north is Highlands at Eagle View. >> Yeah, they're both >> and the one right to the west is Meadows of Eagle Meadow. And I think I think it's a no-brainer that we're going to go Highlands Park and Meadow something with Meadows. I >> But I hear your question, but yeah. >> Why is it called Eagle View? Is that the name of the road or >> I don't know why they're all >> I think they're just naming it after the school. I They're naming it after the school. I guess the first one. I don't know why this I don't know. >> Everything around school is just going to be called legal >> with these developers. >> It's the It's the developer. They come up >> the developer names it and >> as long as it's not already a development in Scott County, they're allowed to not a plat in Scott County. They're allowed to pick it. >> All All of the streets where I live are named after the developer's daughters. >> So, you're saying like developments can't be repetitive in a whole county? >> Correct. But I think they want to have the word eagle view in there to let them know that it's close to the school. So that encourages people to >> I assume so too. >> There was one on the other side of town here on the Elco side that they it was like they came up with the name of like Deer Run or something. >> Deer Creek. >> Deer Creek. And there was already a development similar to that. So they had to rename it. >> Yep. >> So they don't allow double Well, because on their plat map they can't have multiple plots that are >> Yep. the same thing. >> You guys never saw that because it fell through. >> Any other questions about the financial report? Um, any other questions or comments about anything? You have anything? >> Um, what was decided I guess last month with that whole community garden thing? Where did you guys leave off? >> I'm tasked to do research and find potential locations for it. >> Me, too. >> There you go. So, that's where it's at. It's waiting for me to to do some stuff and bring it back to you guys. >> Can you get information more information on like the program itself and how that operates and runs >> from Yeah. Like whatever there's suggest. >> Yeah. And I think Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. I've talked to her a little bit at New Pra. I have a gist of it, but like the ins and outs particulars maybe I don't, but yeah. Yeah. I'll bring it I'll bring it as a full package when I >> Cool. just to give you guys as much information as I can. >> There's one at our church in in New Pra and that's what he's talking about and I took a bunch of pictures and gave it to him how big it is. dispensed in and there's they had, you know, some issues of water and uh security. It's in the parking lot of our church, but it's the Rotary runs it and it's got fencing all the way around and boxes for that are assigned to people to grow vegetables. It's really nice. Really nice. They got picnic table and uh but people would go in there and steal vegetables. I couldn't believe it. in the parking lot of my church. They put in a padlock on the gate now, but there's typically about she said about four to five ladies that go in and pick weeds a lot. But everybody goes in and takes care of their area, their garden area, and then it's it's really neat. But it's big. It's 75 by 45, I think. You know, so we don't have a place to put it. And I don't think you'd want to put the ground ones. I mean you could have but >> no >> no >> I think it would be >> I think you need to do raise >> you need a raise bed because otherwise senior citizens >> for seniors and for ADA compliance and stuff like that you know >> I think it keeps them cleaner too >> I mean I think it helps keep the garden cleaner. >> Oh yes >> because you're refined to a square and everything in between is either mulch or >> Yeah. And then you can rent them out more. >> Yes. It has to be a raised bed if it's >> We'll show you pictures next time. I can pull them up if people want to see them. >> Can you put them on there? >> Yeah. >> Do it real quick. We got five minutes. >> And I think that one looks nicer than the other ones in town in New cuz that's more >> I've seen the other ones. >> There's a couple. There's one behind Wells Fargo Bank, whatever that apartment building is called. I don't remember. >> Queens Court or There's one over in that area that it's just kind of raised beds and church got one too. But this is what the new Prague looks like. >> So >> that's open to anybody or just the church people? >> It's not churches. They're run by the Rotary. So I I'm not sure. I think I think they pay rent for a box. >> I think it's the same throughout the whole city. There's a nonprofit in New Prague that kind of runs them all. >> Runs all of them. >> It's the same rules apply to all of them. >> Okay. >> Is my understanding. >> That's not my picture. >> But that it is there's some money invested in that. That's for sure. >> Yeah. But I mean, based on your guys' opinion and what you told me, you're very you're interested in it. So, I'm gonna try to bring it back as soon as I can. Our our rotary it's not real big in this town, is it? >> I no idea. I don't >> They come to our They come to our events. >> Yeah. >> I don't know anyone who's even on the road. >> They came to the Halloween. They were always in the hall. >> I really don't I don't even know what that word means. >> Huh? >> I don't know what that word means. >> I don't know what a Rotary Club is or >> I don't. are usually associated with the Catholic Church, aren't they? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But they just >> I don't know. >> Is there one in town? >> I I've seen them at the at the Easter egg hunt. They have something in the hallway. There's a Rotary >> group there. >> Yeah. Are you sure they're not from the Prague? >> Are you sure they're not from the Craig? >> They could be, but they come to our street. City Prague school. >> Might be the Prague, but they do. I don't know. My mother-in-law used to be in one. So, when we got engaged, we went to the Rotary Club. They >> donated money. >> Well, they did like a dinner. >> We had We went and met a bunch of the old ladies and stuff. >> Is it just like an elderly thing and stuff? >> Yeah. old ladies and stuff. >> Bunch of old ladies. They did give us gifts and stuff. It was like a, you know, bridal shower. I'll have to look >> or something like that. I don't know. >> I see their signs everywhere. I have no what they do or what they are. >> I don't know if that we don't have a lot of those. Uh what do they call them? That um the clubs, the Burnsville is huge. >> Well, they got the Lions Club in town. I think that's a pretty big decent sized organization that does quite a bit. >> They call them Yeah, but there's another term for it. We don't have like the elks club or the moose club, whatever. >> Yeah. So, but the the lines I think it was the Lions Club in Burnsville gave us $100,000 for one of our playgrounds. >> Yeah. $300,000 playground. I don't think we got that. That's another thing. We don't have that kind of >> right >> funding here. That would be nice >> someday. Some of these some of these rich people >> we're growing. If we can convince them that Uncle Lake is like Brier Lake. >> Can I put a boat dock out there? >> Bringing a yacht. >> Stick it out there. >> So for the Easter egg hunt this year, are we not doing pre-sale wristbands? >> No. Really? >> Nope. Just five bucks a person >> as they come through the door. >> Yep. >> Five bucks at the door. >> Five bucks at the door. >> So, normally >> I don't think I want to work in the front bench. Wait a minute. Maybe I do. >> But we don't have to have signature. I don't think I don't know. We're waiting to hear back from the attorney. I think is the deal on it. If we have to have them physically put all that information in there. photo IDs. >> It was like a food allergy thing. >> Yeah, I think they just have to put the kids name on there and sign it saying that. >> And it's also something to do with photos. >> You can't take your kids. Yeah, kids photos. They got to sign off on those, >> right? We might need some more help at the front desk. >> No, it's going to go quick. It's just five bucks a kid and no family limit. We had like, you know, if you had three or more, then it was just a flat or something. I don't remember what we had before. >> Well, let me know before I get that. >> We're actually not having an Easter Bunny either. They decided >> what? >> I'm no longer the chair of the uh CC anymore. >> No, >> no, Kate is now. Timberman on the so >> she took over and they I said she asked and I said if you want it go ahead and so she um we voted and so she to she's more organized and anyway she had her she has her computer I mean she's got everything you know she runs a restaurant so I was totally fine with that >> she doesn't have three other jobs >> exactly I'm still doing all the purchasing of >> Oh, are you? >> Yeah. All that stuff. So, are they going to do wristbands for Halloween? >> I probably not. >> I bought a wristband for Halloween last year. They accidentally sent me two of them. So, I have an extra wristband. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, yeah. No, that because the amount of um office you that you know staff used to write all those pre put all their names and everything and we would just let them >> go through anyway, right? We didn't really check anything. So yeah, we did. >> We don't have to supposed but >> yeah, city city hall is that's pretty understaffed. >> I would say that 80% of them that came through had wristbands already though >> or they just said they had a wristband and walked past uh yeah, he's got a wristband or if they were carrying one as a go. >> I know every year I had one in my car and my daughter went through anyways. So it was I don't know who's at the front counter checking them, but I know >> my wife >> my son went through and his wristband was under his sleeve and he never >> Yeah. >> No, I I pat him down for weapons. >> We're just >> looking for weapons. They decided that >> because of drugs all the time >> and they just made it five because counting out ones it's just too inefficient and >> so it just takes too much time. So >> yeah, >> you just come up, you got your paperwork, you just sign and put the name and sign it, I think is what it's going to be that you know you could have allergy if there's some kind of that and then uh to do with the um pictures or something. I think it's >> a picture release form. Probably >> they get a picture release form >> that photos get that they >> That's it. >> You just do like Minneapolis. Go on in. Go on. Go on in. >> Yeah. >> And the Easter Bunny. I I don't fit in the suit anymore. And so, >> well, Alex did it last year, didn't he? >> Yeah. >> Nick's done it the last few years, but I don't think he wants to do it anymore. >> No, he doesn't want to do it anymore. I wonder if uh Dan West would do it. >> So, they decided uh they said, you know, you how do you feel about it? And I said, it doesn't matter to me. I said, you know, whatever you guys think. And they said, well, let's try it this year with no Easter Bunny. >> We'll make it Well, the Easter Bunny that's different than the $5 at the door. that sort of. >> So there we bought a new backdrop that has a Easter bunny on it like a garage >> Uhhuh. >> thing for like 35 bucks or something. A 16 by seven she can hang on a garage door and they can take pictures in front of it if they want and just take their own pictures. >> Oh. So but will a guy be taking pictures and then go back to the >> No, that's Halloween. >> Oh, that's only Halloween. >> Yeah. Okay. We decided that they just well everyone but uh the backdrops that we had are bulky and >> it's a pain in the butt to haul them things around and stuff. So >> and at so at Christmas we have the backdrop behind Santa. Yeah. >> So we just bought one like that for Easter and then we're gonna just wait and see what kind of feedback we get from the public. >> They won't care. >> So >> as long as they get their free candy. >> Will you get a backdrop for Halloween? >> Yeah. because that was Easter and Halloween. >> And then when we get to that point, we're just going to >> then we can get rid of the other ones. >> Yeah. >> People won't care down. >> They won't care too much. >> We're getting rid of all a lot of the games, too. >> They want to downsize the games down to just nice easy. We're going to because we're changing our storage, too. So, we are going to lose some storage space. So, we have to get it all into Last year they were having a hard time getting um the the different groups, the high school groups and stuff to volunteer, but then I think just at the last moment they got >> one of the bands or somebody came in and helped. >> Yeah. >> They they were the bread and butter really the one that run the games. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> The boys or the scouts um you know they're involved a lot of other things. So I don't Uh, I don't think they're available for Easter if I remember right. So, >> we reached out to Niagara, see if we can get some more volunteers. Don't need a lot of volunteers with that one, you know, >> Easter egg because just holding them back and then handing out the bags when they come in and then somebody just kind of patrolling the um prize tables for the golden eggs. So, we're going to estimate we're estimating 325. We upped it this year a little bit. So, we usually do 300, but last year we ran short because, again, we had 270, I think, registered and paid at the door, but we handed out over 300 bags. So again to your who knows, right? So that's why they said let's just make it easy. >> Everybody comes in one line, five bucks at the door and >> hey, you get your bag and >> we should be done. And we moved it to 9:30 instead of 10 o'clock. >> What's that? >> We moved it to 9:30 instead of 10. >> So it's going to be a little earlier. Apparently, there's other events going on on that day. So, they said because people were conflicting before, so we went a little bit earlier and they should be I mean, we should be done by 10:30. >> Which day is the egg hunt? >> Uh, 28th. Yeah. >> Okay. >> You'll get a newsletter next day or two. >> I got the newsletter yesterday, the day before. Yeah, >> we're streamlining it. >> I got it. Couple typos, but they look pretty good. >> We're gonna put Paul at the door and just keep moving. >> Peggy. Yeah. Come on. Come on. Come on. Give me that five bucks. Peg tackle that kid. That cash up. Tap and pay. Just have them tap their phone as they walk by. >> Uh, I guess we can't do that because it's just something with the city. We can't use a pay service. I Yeah, there's some legality. We can't do that. >> A pay service. >> Yeah, like PayPal or >> Oh, no. No, no, >> we can't do any of that. >> Hold up the hold up the the line. No. >> So, we're just >> Okay, let me scan your Venmo code. >> Cash money. I don't even know what that is, but cash money. >> I don't know. People are going to have to go, you know, the cash machine. That's what I suggest. Put a cash machine with a $5 service fee on it. >> There you go. >> I must I must be getting old, man. Who doesn't have a hundred bucks in their billfold? Boy, I shouldn't have said that amongst this guy. >> I used to always keep a 20 in there, but >> yeah, >> times are tough. >> Yeah. Any other >> like Domino's driver carries no cash. >> Well, my daughter does Door Dash and she doesn't even you don't even make contact with the people. You go up and you take a picture and you send it to them that you dropped it on their steps and you're gone. >> Is there a commercial like that with the Girl Scout cookies? Isn't it the kids are Yeah. >> So, >> anybody else have anything? >> Anybody else have anything? So, before we close, um I just found out before the meeting, so we me and Don were up for uh reelection and um the committee that uh did our interviews and stuff, there was a new girl, Angela, apparently um she has 16 years experience and um they >> do what >> in parks um working with in the parks department at Prior Lake. >> Really? >> So you know Angela >> probably. >> So she came in and applied and in that um they decided to have her and is now going to be off the park commission. So, I wanted to express to her um many thanks. >> Don got bumped. >> Don got bumped. Yes. >> Sorry. >> So, I just found that out tonight, too. I had a long talk with uh the city administrator about that one one day because when I was up they didn't they just slam dumped us. We didn't have to interview. I said you know >> Yeah. >> Well, who who pushed to make the change to interview all of a sudden? >> I think >> I think it's just up to the council, isn't it? >> Council members who want >> What's the interview? >> Yeah. They didn't have time to get it all set up for us and we were up for renewal. Is it you and I? >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, they said that for the next time around they're going to do interviews again. >> Oh, no. >> Y couple years in trouble. >> He's up before we are. >> We got time for the council to change and >> they had five applicants. >> I heard the guy that >> wanted the garden applied. >> One of my neighbors was talking about applying too >> and then I started a whole Well, everyone should have a turn. >> These are long enough, >> but I want to, you know, >> I want to thank you. >> Thank you >> personally. Uh, for me, um, >> you're welcome. >> I have, >> you know, you will be greatly missed >> and I wish we could have more people that we could add more people or, um, you know, however it works. So, um, >> well, thank you. It's been fun and interesting and thank you for giving me the opportunity to >> well and I hope that you will still um keep your you know thoughts on you can always reapply to >> you can come in for public comment and yeah harass >> exactly come in and listen >> I appreciate you're helping us out with some of the absolutely >> nursery items and trees and talking about that stuff I enjoy the horiculture part of you have you had a different perspective on things. So, you know, that we didn't >> we didn't have, right? So, you had a piece >> that we were not >> um aware, you know, how to approach it, right? Or how to talk about it. So, thank you very much for >> Yeah. >> You're welcome. >> But you made it. >> I did. I know. >> How many years in a row is that? >> I don't know. Too many. No, I said I don't know. I'm completely open to whatever. Um, you know, because I was, like we said when Don was before about, you know, if she was interested in being the chair, I was perfectly, you know, it's up to you guys. I, you know, so that's kind of what happened at the CC too is, you know, I said, "Is anyone interested?" And Kate said, "Yes." And she said, "Unless you." And I said, "No, absolutely." I said, "I've been doing a long time." So I said it's sometimes it's better to have change, you know, and see what I'm not off the committee. >> I'm still basically doing the same things I was. I'm just not the chair of it and organizing everything. So uh or being in charge of but Kate and you know she runs a business so she has her computer there and she's ready. I mean, she's always and she's done the, you know, with the when they had the separate committee for the uh fire rescue days and everything. She >> She's a council member, too. So, >> yeah. >> Isn't she the owner of Firehouse Grill? >> Yep. >> So, I had no, you know, they basically everybody said just keep doing what you're doing. I'm just not the chair of it. And I, you know, so that's not any and that would be here too. I mean if I if you guys you know any of you guys are interested it's as a group you know that's always still when the time >> congratulations Paul >> to be what the chair >> the chair >> well I could take her co-chair spot now >> I chair that's not a problem but you know >> you're doing okay >> regardless though it was just not fun I didn't sleep at all the night after and you know done I I think that you're a very valued member and if this >> wild card wouldn't have come in there's nobody else who would have possibly >> taken your place and >> I really really hope you consider reapplying in the future. Um I think you're really valuable and you guys are going to have to start reading your minutes a little tighter and just want to say I appreciate I'm thinking about reapplying. >> Good. >> I'm the only one that's not working you. So, this change will have start next month. >> Next month. >> Well, I know I haven't worked with you any long, but I'm sorry to hear that, but thank you for your service. >> Well, thank you. >> Most of the time, and when there's been change, it's because people have decided they wanted to do something, resign and do something different or whatever. So, this is uh the first time in a long time that we've actually had where someone has not been reappointed. >> I think from what I was told, I mean, this is my first time going through anything like this and hopefully it's the worst one that ever. >> Yeah. >> Uh but regardless, like from what Tom told me, no, not even enough people applied before. Like there would be just enough to fill the chairs. Now there's >> seven people for two chairs. >> So, >> well, that makes sense as the city's growing. And it's good though too, you know, I tell my neighbors that all the time. I go, if you don't come and you don't say anything, you have no say. So, you know, >> because people come to me all the time, you know, in my neighborhood and stuff that I'm like the unofficial mayor and they come to me, what's going on? What's going on over there? And I'm like, well, why don't you come to a meeting and find out for yourself, you know? So, but most people that's, you know, that's the way it is. So, That's why it's hard to get volunteers. So, as I said when we were going, you know, the people that did apply, we're always looking for volunteers. You know, would love to have you at the Easter egg hunt and be part of that. Um, you know, all the events. Um, we're always, >> you know, people just don't volunteer anymore. So, >> when does the turnover take place then? >> Next month. >> Always next month. said that. >> Wow. >> So, yeah. Thank you. >> This new person just moved here then. Is that >> I don't know any details. >> I just I found out >> I didn't >> as I was coming here. >> As you were coming here, you found >> I didn't. >> So, I will be missed. But you're still here. You're not >> gone, right? >> You can always return. >> This isn't a memorial service. I always say when one door closes, right? I tell my daughters this all the time. One door closes, >> another one opens. >> Yeah. And remember, planning commission, there's all sorts >> moving. >> Exactly. We should have brought cake tonight. >> Yeah, right. >> I was hoping to sneak out without a long goodbye. >> I should know. >> Well, and Don's pretty much the one like he said, right? Said this always reads the minutes. So, I admit that. I am not. >> Yeah, I'm calling Brandon on the way here. And that's how I find out. >> I saw you filling up his email inbox. >> All right. >> I just I just do it so I don't surprise him when I get here. >> So, all right. On that note, nobody else has anything else. All right. So, motion to adjurnn. Second. >> All in favor? >> I