have it. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nationy andice for all. >> Sorry about that. selected. >> All right. Do we have any changes to the agenda? >> Uh, yes, Mr. Chair. I was hoping we could switch around new business and continued business and tackle the annual organizational matters before Rich gets into his presentation. I'll make the motion to >> motion and a second. All those in favor? I >> opposed. All right, we have an agenda and we'll go to new business. >> Uh consent first. >> Oh yeah, consent. We'll go to consent first. Anybody uh have any questions uh or comments from the minutes of the October 23rd meeting? Otherwise, we'll take a motion. >> Motion to approve consent agenda. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. All those in favor? >> Opposed? Consent is approved. No public hearings. And now we'll go to new business. >> Awesome. So, uh, two separate items to address really. The first being designating the chair and the vice chair for the EDA in 2026. Um the current chair is Josh and the current vice chair is Amanda. Um so who would you guys like to take those roles on this year? >> I mean felt like you know you were implying something. >> I think maybe you would like it. >> I mean if you want me to do it I'll do it. I mean it was it's the same as >> well and remind me this can be anybody on this >> or committee as well. So any of the commissioners um any voting >> okay I mean unless Amanda really wants to get I mean it would seem practical to move the vice chair into the chair position and >> you know something like that seems to make sense. I think you were vice chair. >> Oh, see >> I wasn't here for this meeting at the beginning of 25 which is I think how I got the vice chair. >> That's how I was too actually. >> I nominate Andrew as chair. >> I will second that. Okay. Uh do you want these in one motion or >> easier motion? >> All right. So, we have a chair. Uh, anybody vice chair? We had acting mayor and mayor and then chair and vice chair of this. >> Pass on them. >> Kate's eyeballing me. She wants to do vice chair. I nominate nominate you >> right back at you. I nominate you. >> That is a motion to to have Kate do vice chair. she will willingly accept. >> I will do that. >> Okay. So, uh we have a motion. We'll say Kate may made Kate made the motion for Andrew uh to and for herself for the chair. I'll second it. Um all those in favor? >> I >> oppose. >> Excellent. >> Awesome. And the second piece to this organizational matters is just um scheduling the special meetings for the year. um staff laid out in the in a memorandum and resolution the recommended um dates. Tom and I came up with them just based on what makes sense with city council meetings and work sessions later on in the year. Um and I know last year when we all tried to come up with dates, it just we all have such different schedules, it just became convoluted and too difficult. So, um I would recommend approving the dates as is, but feel free to make changes if you'd like. Is there a resolution number for that? >> Uh 2601. >> Oh, >> so it's all together. >> It's all together. Yeah. >> Okay. Motion to approve uh resolution 2601. >> I'll second it. >> And I guess I'm still the chair then technically to approve this, huh? All those in favor? >> I. >> Cool. >> Opposed. All right. Motion carries. Now you're officially the chair, sir. >> So then we're gonna continue. >> Yes, sir. >> We're done with business, right? >> Yes, sir. >> Your time shine. >> All right. So, uh, the commission will remember that at our last, uh, meeting we had infrastructure 101. We talked about all the various components that make up the city's infrastructure system that are needed for development to occur. The sewers, the water pipes, and storm sewer, roads, all that stuff. Uh, now we're going to talk about what it means for different areas or groups, parcels or groups of parcels around town. Um, where it's available, where it's not. Um, so I'll just see if I can make this work. I don't know why it's not. How do I advance my slide when I'm sharing arrows? Maybe right. >> It's dead. Pause. Just click it. Maybe right click it or left click it. There we go. So briefly outline, we're I'll give you an overview from uh very high in the sky of the sanitary sewer system and the water distribution system and uh maybe the roadway network if I can make it work. Uh I do want to talk about urban versus rural section that'll come up uh perhaps later. And then we're going to drill in different parts of town. Staff identified parcels or groups of parcels. I broke that down by uh basically if you take the city and divide it into a with a cross 91 and two. So we got the northwest area, north, southwest area, northeast area, and southeast area. And there's smaller groups with inside of that. So I'm going to jump right into those because there's quite a few. I plan to move uh fairly quickly, but um I can take questions at any point. So this is a picture of the city's comprehensive sewer plan. Uh the lines in green are basically existing pipes and the light blue uh yellow and there's other symbols that probably don't mean much to people, but it shows our future planning. So, we have the area planned out uh in this graphic all the way down past County Road 86 and the city's long-term growth area is even larger than that. But because um pipes have to go downstream, we need to make sure we know what to build when something comes in so that it's big enough for what might come later upstream. Um, this can be thought of really, um, even without the map. If you imagine there's a pipe that's almost as big as I am, tall that runs under the freeway just north of town. I do. I have a pointer on this thing. >> Yeah, we can see we can see. >> Oh, you can. I Oh, there. Okay. So this this tan line uh crosses under the freeway north of the interchange comes down along the uh Adelman property runs along the north side of two all the way up to County Road 91. That's a 42 inch pipe. That pipe is designed to handle a population something like Lakevilles 75 80,000. Um and then from there the other pipes are all city pipes. So that pipe is owned by the Met Council. We don't control it. We have to have a permit to connect to it. They've identified key connection points. Not that we perhaps can't connect on other places, but um one, two, three, four, five, six. You can see the numbers where we're intended by them to connect. And that's largely where our trunk sewers do connect. So everything flows either by gravity or with pumps uh to that tan line gets delivered to Met Council for treatment and uh you'll see snippets of this in all the other figures that I'm going to go through. So I just wanted to give you an overview where our wastewater goes >> and and so maybe before you get off this big screen which is kind of cool like does that because it stops there. It appears to stop at at 91. >> Stops at 91. >> How so then the development to the west is that I mean how much impact is there like is it more costly to develop out there because we're going to have to draw things more in or am I not thinking through that logically? >> All the light blue lines that you see in this figure have to be built. >> Okay. >> And some are big and that's >> but essentially we may have to extend that 42 inch big guy. No, we don't have >> No, that's big enough for us. We just have to get our waste water to it. >> Right. >> So, we would plum into number one if we're going west. >> We're already plumbed into number one and we already have >> the light blue lines would go into one. >> Yep. >> Okay. And I guess my question though is like is there big enough stuff then to the west of number one already or are we going to have to construct that into the future as we keep adding on to that because that's like it just stops and it's easier on the east side to connect to >> big enough grasshopper. Okay. >> What we've built >> what we've built under two to date is big enough to handle what's coming in the future from the west. The whole reason for this plan is so we know kind of what's what we have to build for >> the downtown recreation >> just from an overall the probably the area where you're the weakest is bringing stuff south of Elco up to that line. Um because some of the pipes that were planned to bring that waste water from south of Elco up to that tan line aren't there yet. And there's two miles of pipe that has to go in across multiple different properties under different ownership and that just hasn't happened in the order that was expected. So that's going to be you know accommodating a lot of growth south of Elco is going to be difficult. This is your water system. Uh kind of the same concept except this time what's in blue lines exists and the um pink and orange lines or trunk lines that don't exist yet um but will be uh put in place as opportunity knocks. You can think of the water system like the like a tree. You've got a trunk where a lot of water is carried and then branches that go off of that. That trunk connects our water treatment plant. It connects the uh tower in New Market and a smaller one connects the tower in Elco and everything feeds from them out to either a network system where there's loops like you can see through much of New Market with all those blue lines making a network. But a lot of our system is branches where it's just uh serves an area and dead ends. Well, and our goal over time of course is to create loops because that just doubles the amount of water you can carry and gives you redundancy. >> So, so am I reading this correctly? All of south of two on 27 and south of two on 91 that is considered orange. So, those all need to be built out yet. What that orange blob around Elco means is that it's that's a that's Elco's pressure zone. That's higher terrain. So, we can't serve one pressure zone from another without special equipment to either boost the pressure or decrease the pressure. Elco sits on average roughly 50 feet higher than the than the rest of the area around it. So if we connected your tap in new market to an Elco main, you know the you turn tap on it, blow the cup out of your hand or vice versa, you take a shower in Elco served from the Numbark and you're going to be very ticked off because it'll just dribble maybe. >> So yeah, we have to be mindful of those elevation differences because it's all based on gravity from the water towers. >> So the longterm plan is that the system is relatively fixed. It'll be the intent to serve the rest of the community as it grows off of the new market system. So we'll we'll have at least two pressure systems in the community going forward. Um and while we can we have an interconnect so if we had to for emergency purposes if we had to push water from Elco to the new market site we can. You just can't go the other direction currently. So Rich, the um industrial park is served off the new pre new market pressure zone. Correct. >> That's correct. Y >> right a lot of territory to cover. So I'm going to go right into these areas. Oh, this um this is the uh city's overall transportation plan. Uh you can see the county roads with their shields. So you can identify those. You see 35 on the east side. The uh salmon colored lines are existing uh major collectors. That's a solid line. The dashed salmon colored would be future major collectors uh that we um implement with development. And then the light blue lines represent minor collectors. And I think I touched on the differences in those last time, but if it comes up, uh, the main difference is that private driveways are typically not allowed on major collectors. Those roads are for moving traffic and not for local access. Now, I got to figure out how to get back. >> So, quick question. I see the orange dotted line here for the new development going in by the school, right? Is that over by the school? >> Yep. So, >> so that's going to be a major collector road, but aren't there going to be houses off of that then? And you just >> There will, but they have to connect to roads >> behind them. >> They can't front and connect to these. These serve only streets. >> So, this will run all the way through and then the other roads will come off of Okay. >> Yep. The idea is to not make everybody have to go down the county road to get through town, >> right? >> Because that's a a county um um preference. uh because just means they got to build more and more and more. Um but it's also better for our residents to be able to move back and forth without having to go down to that arterial uh which is county road 29127. So urban versus rural section is important because we made a policy decision several years ago that we were not going to require major collectors to be urban sections if they already existed which many of them do because they tend to follow existing township roads if you think of Xerxes or Dakota. Um, so a rural section is in the lower left. Basically, it's a two-lane paved roadway with some shoulder and ditches on each side. Uh, urban section, you can see a picture in the upper left of 255th up north of the school. Um, tends to be a wider road, curbon, gutter, storm sewer, boulevards. Uh, there will be a trail and a sidewalk on each side as development fills out. I also shot a picture of a local urban section. This is just in a neighborhood where you'd have driveways. Um curbon gutter sidewalk. This is uh the urban section is what most people think of when they think of living in a city. They they have a street like that uh more than a street like um the rural section in the lower left. But uh it's not only a cost factor, but with an urban a rural section for a major collector, you typically don't need parking because your your goal is to move cars. We we make a requirement for developers that are going to use those and create a um a rural section on a major collector has to be wide enough so someone's car dies or they have a flat tire. There's room for them to get over, but there's still room on the roadway for two lanes of traffic to get around them to keep moving. So it doesn't stop traffic. But we don't design it for parking. And the other benefit is storm water. We don't have to have storm water pipes, catch basins, ponds, and treatment systems. it goes into the ditch where it's treated uh just like it is today. So, it's an existing condition and research at the U of M showed that ditches are pretty effective for storm water management. So, we decided to take advantage of that and um and not go full urban section on all of our major collectors. All right, just a little bit uh for each of these areas. I'm going to suggest a color. So green means the infrastructure that's needed, sewer, water, and road is in place for development at the boundary of the of the area, not through it. The developer would still have to build everything in it, but at least it's at the edges. Green does not mean easy. Uh there are cases where green uh is assigned but sewer's on this corner, water's on this corner, and the road is down here. And they have hundreds of acres to try and connect. Somehow that all has to come together for any particular building to go in. So that's all green means. I don't want to give the idea that it just means it's, you know, ready to snap up and throw up a building. Yellow means infrastructure is ready, but there's challenges. It could be a gap where nobody lives or owns or is not going to develop in the near future. So to get from the development area to available utilities or roads means someone's got to fund that gap. Our policy typically is that that's the developer. If he wants to do this bad enough, he'll have to pay that cost. Um, but there can also be complications with oversizing or lift stations, things that are challenges that'll have to be overcome, usually overcome with money. And so then the discussion is where that comes from. Is the city have a piece of it if it's oversizing lift stations, stuff like that. Um, what can the development afford? So it just slows things down. And then red just means simply that the infrastructure is not in place and they have to wait for downstream property to bring it through those properties so it's available at at this particular property. So that's what those colors will mean. And at the very end I have a map that shows them by color so you can kind of get an overall. So, Northwest Blanchard property. This is down on the corner of 91 and two where the uh the statue of the horse with the cart. I think that's the property. Um this is yellow. Uh and it's yellow because to serve this a big trunk sewer has to be extended along um 91 to the north. There's sewer may be available for for a small part of it in the northwest corner out of Parkway Meadows. Um, water's available at the northwest and southeast corners, but they do have to bring a 12-in trunk through the site and up 91 if they're the first in along that stretch. And then, of course, roads are available um 91 um to there's access uh at at J. Roberts, and then there's access at James Parkway. And those roads would have to be uh those connections that have to be made with the development uh which are expensive for it's a big piece of property but a lot of infrastructure relative to that size. So I'm giving that one a yellow northwest number two that's the waver farm to the north across if you're familiar with where the public works facility is across 91 from that all the way up to 250th. So this is a pretty sizable piece of property and it it's I called it this way farm. I think this probably encompasses more than that parcel. I'm not exactly sure but um this is a red they're going to have to wait for trunk sewer to come all the way through the Adelman site which you'll see in a on a later figure before this is ready for service. There's nowhere else to take the water at this or the sewage at this point. There is water available at the southwest corner, but there'll be a lot of trunk work that has to go in with that, especially for a parcel that big. Um, so I'm going to go with red on that one. Northwest number three, I um understood this. It's shown on the city's figure as a real small piece, but I think it's intended to be all the way up to James Parkway. So, it included Winkler property and the city property. I'm calling this yellow, and that's because one can't develop without the other. Well, I suppose the city's piece could, but it's pretty small. The Winkler piece can't develop unless the city brings sewer up through its property to that Winkler site. Uh, and then water would have to come through there, too. They could bring a road down off of James Parkway, but ideally, or well, we're still looking at that. Do we bring Riley Road all the way down to counter two? So, there's just a lot of coordination that would need to be done with the city and some city infrastructure to go in before this one uh would be green. >> Rich. >> Yeah. >> Which Winkler is that? >> I'm sorry. I'm just trying to place that property. >> Right. >> So, you know where uh the city well is number three. There's a playground there up on James Parkway at the end where they just took off with um Parkway Meadows. It's right at Riley Road. Oh, >> right up there. He's just south of that. >> So, >> it's not the one off of two. >> No, not the one off of two. >> Okay. Yeah, that was not in the map that I was >> Okay. >> This was essentially be a remnant area following the development of Whispering Creek North that he couldn't serve at the time because of the infrastructure and land availability at the time. >> Northwest 4 is Eagle View Meadows. We are uh we've looked at a couple of concepts for that. This would be if you're familiar with where Highlands is, the new subdivision north of the school. This would be in the other side of Nevada from that. And uh this is they're moving ahead, but the map showed more than just Eagle View Meadows. It also shows property south of uh that, including um >> Bruce Fges. >> No. Uh Bruce is a separate one, but there's the Wagner uh property in the north west corner of Dakota and James Parkway was included in this and there is some complications for that one. Um road and utility improvements along Dakota Avenue primarily. That's doable, but it it may slow things down, especially for the Wagner piece. But um but Eagle View Meadows, just that 80 acres, the north part of of this NW4 that could be developed. Um at least a good part of it can before the road improvement on Dakota would have to be made, which if they're the first ones there, they will have to make that improvement. Northwest five is the Bruce Fiji's property that is green because the south half can be served by sewer in James Parkway. The sewer along Nevada is actually a force man. They can't connect to that. So they would have to wait for sewer to come through Eagle View Meadows down to uh the north side to pick up the north half of this property. So, uh, yellow they could serve, they could build part of it. Um, whether they'd want to while they wait for the other, I don't know. Uh, but this will be green once Meadow View, uh, or >> Eagle View Meadow >> Eagle View Meadows is built. Northwest 6 is the Charles Fidges property. That's the farm on the norththeast quadrant of 2 and 27. Uh this requires a lift station, requires a lot of forest man along County Road 2 to serve it. Uh there is water available at Nevada and James Parkway and 255th and County Road 27 um at the end of 255th, but it would require a trunk along 27 with the development. And then there's of course pretty good access to it. And I gave this one a yellow because there's going to be a lot of coordination with the city because of the that lift station and force main even though um technically it butts that that is a system lift station which serves areas in the future beyond this and so the city would pay for that and if we don't have the money it's premature. So that's kind of where the the yellow comes in. Northwest Sevens is Highlands North. So the new development, Leander Wagner's farm, if you know where that is, he had 30 or 40 acres north of that goes all the way up to 250th on the west boundary of this is County Road 27. That is red because there's no sewer there until Highlands at Eagle View is u developed out to the west, which right now it's only at phase one. So, it's premature for sewer water and it's premature for roads because we don't have any connections planned to county road 7 or county road 27 off of that piece and we don't have a plan to improve 250th to north. That's a township gravel road and may stay that way unless the township decides to to pave it. So, now we're going to go to the southwest. uh just everything south of Country Road 2 and west of 91. The first one is the Moaning property. Um these there's two figures here actually. It's a clip on the top part always is a clip from the water plan or the sewer plan and the bottom part is a clip from the water plan. So Southwest one shows up in both spots. Maybe the easiest map to see where this is. Uh you can see this little blue line here by the P that um is Glenboro. So this is south of Glenboro. Uh about a quarter mile uh a decent sized parcel. >> So this is south of the Klein. >> South of the Klein. Yeah. Yeah. >> So if you go if you go down where you see the wooded area in the middle, that's kind of up on a hill. >> So you go on the right hand side as you're heading south on 91. This is premature for sewer, premature for water. Um, map I had showed it was outside the 2040 growth boundary. I'm not sure that's true. I meant to take that out, but anyway, it may be. Um, there is access at County Road 91 that could be made. That would have to be coordinated with Scott County and with the parcel to the east so that um, the roads to each one line up with each other. and are in an acceptable location to Scott County. Um, but this is red. You need you need downstream development and that lift station and water to uh to happen. There'd be a lift station uh somewhere by the N on Nachez in this in this graphic. Well, here you can see it. PS uh is pump station. I don't mean to get us off track, but has anything happened with any of that uh property just to the north of there that has been talked about over the years with the bad terrain and >> that would be to the immediate east of that property. Okay, >> that will be uh showing up in uh the north the southeast uh group, >> but they they're correlated because they both rely on that same pump station road location and water coming down um Nachez from Glenboro from >> Yep. Southwest number two is just to the west of the one we just talked about. again, uh, premature, but it is a sizable undeveloped parcel, but it has to wait for utilities to get there. And Vernon Avenue, uh, which would be the, uh, road that it's connecting to, is also unpaved, and we would require pavement to the nearest pavement. Um, for that, there's another little parcel um, further to the west. This used to be called the Moald Park. We've talked about it, I don't know, Tom, 10 years ago or more. Uh that that was maybe >> 22 >> 22 years ago. >> And the conversation started before then. >> Yeah. >> So, this is that parcel now owned by uh Mary Deg Gross, I think. Um, but just like it was 22 years ago, it's still premature for sewer, water, and access because the road past there, uh, Webster Fernon, depending who you ask, is gravel. So, that's red pending uh, development downstream. By the way, I say downstream just thinking of sewer. Sewer has to come uphill. So, downstream means the sewer down where you can flow to. Um, nothing more than that. Feeasant Hills, I think you all know where that is. Um, the Sakora property, water is available, sewer is available, access at Harvest Drive is available, Harvest and 275th would have to be improved with this development. However, uh, it is green. Everything is to its boundary. I didn't consider owners willingness to sell any of that. This is just infrastructure. So, >> southwest five, the Wagner farmland. This is all of the farmland south of two along 27 on the east side of 27. So, it's more than I imagine it's more than you know Wagner ownership, but it's um it's the areas shown on both the sewer and and water clips on here very sizable. Um very much like the Frees property, it requires a lift station. requires a lot of forest man up to the corner of 2 and 27 and then from uh from there all the way up to Idaho along two and that'll be not just a little force main but pretty good size one. Um there is water available at park and at Casatu at Nevada but there'd quite be quite a bit of water may have to go in along uh 2 and 27 uh for our requirements. Uh I didn't mention this but what we talk about here for utilities if someone wants to develop and and water is a quarter mile or an eighth mile is to and through you have to bring that utility if you want to develop and it's not there you have to bring it to and through and in these cases both uh the Charlie and the Wagner Charlie fridges and Wagner there's a lot of through which is expensive can take some time if they develop in phases and um expensive things tend to slow things down until the demand for the product is so high that they can overcome the uh investments that are needed. So this is yellow um because of those things that would uh they're they're defeatable with money northeast. Now we're moving over to this part of town. the Adelman property. I think you've all heard about this before. The outline of it is shown uh in both figures uh with a sort of um blue hatching on the sewer and green hatching on the water. Sewer is available for the portion in the southeast and for the entirety there is sewer available at number four, our connection point number four in the Met Council for the whole piece. But so it's two, but there's a lot of through and their um entrance is on two opposite, you know, at at point number three, kind of opposite point number four. Point number three is not deep enough to serve the whole thing. So they could get a part of it. And then their water is way over um by Newton Circle. So there's um there's quite a bit of disconnect where they are, but there is infrastructure to every boundary. So this is green. Num northeast two is just to the west of that. The Deuts Jones and Runky properties. If you start at uh 91 on the north side of two, you've got the Runks. Then Jones is the next parcel where the N in northeast two is and then the Deutsch property is starts kind of where the E is and goes over to Xerxes. Uh there's sewer available for portions of this NE2 area in the southwest near our the end of our interceptor, the tan line. And there's sewer available for a portion of it at 2N. Uh our comp plan calls for those doesn't contemplate those being deep enough to serve the entire parcel. So that actually was intended to need to wait for sewer to come all the way through the Adelman uh property before this whole thing could be developed. They may find workarounds for that. I think they're already looking at that for the Deutsch property, whether they put in their own lift station rather than the city lift station or they can design the grade such that they can get it to two uh 2N on the map. Um we don't know that yet. Um, so I gave it a yellow rather than a red because there may be some some workarounds and I know they're already doing that. Uh, water is available that runs right if as you look in the bottom figure there's a big fat blue line right by NE2. That's our main feeds to both Elco and New Market from the treatment plant. So there's plenty of water there. And then access of course is uh in place with France. A couple of other unnamed access points and then at Xerxes. Northeast three is the Ray Deutsch property. That's north of what uh we just talked about. This would be property that's just to the east side of where our public works campus is. And this is red. There's not sewer available there. There is water available at the southeast corner. Uh if Nevada was uh no, Xerxes was paved. I put the wrong street in there. If Xerxes was paved that far, uh they would have access, but it's not and I don't know that it will be uh anytime soon unless somebody really wanted to develop this. But again, sewer is is an issue. So that one is red. Last quadrant, southeast. So this would be, you know, if you think of wind roses in the southeast over there, southeast one, this is south of Boulder Heights down in Rice County. If you look at the figures, you'll see that that curve in County Road 86. You probably all can picture that in your heads. Just south of that. And um it's premature for sewer. It's premature for water access at 86 at beard is available. Although we are reviewing that beard alignment if it's what we really want for the long term. It's a horrible intersection because of the sight lines and the grades. Um so that one is red at this time. >> I will say my kids grew up believing that that is our road. We adopted that highway, that portion of road. So they see the sign and they think it's our road. So, anything you need us to do to help facilitate development down there, just ask my kids. They think they probably have some influence. >> I don't know if $5 million would touch it, but you could you could >> we could we could start there. Southeast is again south of 86, but this is over. If you drove down 91 and drove right across 86 into the field, you'd be in southeast two. That's where this is. Again, premature for everything. Even the access, there's no there's no collector road into there. Although, we'd probably line something up at 91 and try and make a connection to another uh Rice County or whatever that township is down there. Uh there'd be a little S-curve. So, there are some complications for roadway even. Uh but there's just nothing down there to serve that at this time. Southeast three is Boulder Heights South. There is sewer at Oxford which is at the north end of this SE3 area. There's water at Oxford. There's access at Oxford. The Beard and 86 connections are under review. I'm giving this a green because it is developable. Although they may not be able to develop in their its entirety until we sort out what we're going to do with that beard 86 connection, which may have to swing over in through this site, but they do have some space they could do some development. Southeast 4 is just east of Pete's Hill. Technically, this is premature for sewer, but again, they may be able to do a workaround for at least a portion of SE4. They may be able to look at some sort of uh pressure sewer system like we did up at Woodrest or maybe a lift station of their own if they really wanted to develop this. There's water at Pete's Hill, that little green stub that ties in uh blue stub, I guess, on the water map uh over in this corner. clarification when Rich says or Rich says a lift station of their own. It would still be a city lift station. They're just footing the whole cost for it. >> Yeah, there's uh there's access at Pete's Hill as well. There's a a street stub into that property. But um where the purple is, I mean that's the trunk water, but the same thing would happen to happen have to happen for road. Some pretty significant cost improvements for that road relative to the size of the parcel. So this is yellow. Southeast five is Fairway Ridge. That's the piece we were talking about earlier across from the one that's south of Glenboro. And you can see um a little bit of of that one on the figure here. Um we actually had pretty much full plans and specs 20 years ago for Fairway Ridge. Never happened and it has sat uh idle with only occasional inquiries since. Um it needs a lift station that would be a system lift station. So city one that would serve development on both sides and actually quite a bit of development beyond. It needs trunk water along 91 from Glenboro uh with a pressure reduction system because that SE5 is on new mark should be on new market pressure but water is only available from elco pressure. So, we have a there's a special valve we put in a manhole and it kind of slows the water, reduces the pressure so that people aren't, you know, uh having pipe leaks and and unpleasantly high pressure. So, there's no um there's no downstream development that's really going to happen. So, this isn't red, but it is not green because it's not at the boundary. So, I gave this a yellow because there'd be some city involvement, coordination, and city infrastructure that would be uh put in to pay for this. Southeast 6 is what we call the Degross property. Uh you drive by it every day. It's at um France and at two. It's a big piece. Um sewer is available at Xerxes and two there's a stub from that interceptor met council interline interceptor line that tan line there's a stub underneath too in Xerxes that could be dug up and connected to and extend a trunk through this site to get sewer. Um so it's available doesn't mean it's easy. Uh it's under a you know Xerxes is probably our highest traffic street that we that the city owns. Anyway, there's water available along two and along France. There's access at France at marketplace and there's a existing access built into County Road 2 when they rebuilt it at a quarter mile point. Um you can see the outline of it in the in the background maps here. So this is green. Again, green doesn't mean easy, but it is green. Southeast 7 is the Klein property. If you go from the Degross Straight East, uh right on the south side of uh two, you'll there's a farm there that again you drive by every day. This is also green. There's sewer available at that same stub. There's another stub kind of in the middle of the property under two. Uh there's water available along to our remember I talked about the trunk tree trunk one of our tree trunks runs right by this property and then there's access at Xerxes and then county road two at the frontage road there would be access allowed uh for this site. So this is green souththeast 8 is the Adelman Wagner. So this is the Adelman property south of the trailer sales and the what's that um camper place >> and you can see the um in the northeast corner of it is uh Newton Circle with that development. So, you know, it it encompasses uh maybe more land than than just what the Wagner's own, but you know, just because that's the main ownership. There's sewer available at Logan. There's a stub under the um under county road two to the interceptor. uh trunk water mane runs right through the site because that's how we uh serve the industrial park uh through this site. It goes under the freeway and then into um the industrial park and then access at Logan and at Irving if Irving would get paved or they pave it. Uh so there are access points. So this is green. Finally, there is a small parcel south of the industrial park um that is green. There's sewer available at uh 265th. We made sure to have Ryan extend a small force man down to pick that up. It would be pressure sewer. They'd need to put in like we did at Woodrest a small pressure station depending on the use or a bigger station. and it would be sized for that building, but a 2-in pipe can handle a fairly good size um building. There's water available at 265th. There's access at 265th. So, this one is green. And that was it. There's a roll up. Um all of the parcels we talked about are colored here. I had GS measure the acreages of the parcels and I added up the green, the yellow and the red. Um, so we talked about a lot of yellow and a lot of red. Yellow is the biggest, but there is a lot of green acreage there. Um, large large areas uh can take time to develop because to drag all the utilities where you need to, you have to have a fairly goodized project to justify that. And this really, I think, tells the story that I was going to tell. Um, be happy to take questions or if staff wants to add anything to it. I guess the big thing is those are the physical aspects, but the money is really what it comes down to. Um, and when you're looking at some of these properties, these gaps where we're just saying, "Oh, you can get to it, but you got to pull from here over here or you have to pull this across the property." Those are what we have talked about in the past as being the first in costs where you there has to be enough market. The profit has to be there to incent somebody to be able to be able to make those initial investments to open areas up. And I'll look for Rich to correct this, but one of the things that I think at a very high level is we're we eating up or have eaten up most of the properties that are easy to develop, meaning that we can just attach onto core trunk infrastructure that's already out there. And we're getting to a point or approaching a point where in order for the city to continue to expand or develop, there's going to have to be investments in that trunk infrastructure. It's not just the developer. That trunk infrastructure is a piece that the city has and so our financial capacity to be able to fund that is going to become uh critical in the future in the future as well and if we don't have the money then the developer has to pony it up but then it becomes less financially feasible and you have the chicken and the egg that goes around and around. Um as we look at development I don't think this just is the whole story. Um just to use an example if you look at the Sora property which would be S SW4 we know that even though there's infrastructure available there are complications related to covenants which limit the access to the property um and so on and so on. Um and also as we know three legs of the stool is you have to have practical availability landing somebody wants to to sell it. So, for example, you might talk about the Wagner farm. I have not heard that Tim and Emily are looking to sell the farm anytime soon, for example. So, um, so those are all elements. So, this is just one facet of the full puzzle and just another >> I sent him a text of the screenshot of that. I'm like, you guys are selling just to mess with them a little bit. >> Oh, thank you. I'm not taking that call. I'll have Stephanie direct it directly to you. Um, so at at the end of the day, this is just one more piece of foundational knowledge to build the full picture when we start getting into talking about strategies and goals um down the road here a little bit. Well, and I think too, you know, as we talk about comp planning and all that stuff, like overlaying this with where this is and what zoning and and whatever because you mean it's cool to see some of the agreeing and I know it's not because it's easy and simple, but there's a lot of potential for commercial along that too there. So then we got to think about do we have the right balance of enough green that's commercial, enough green that's residential, enough green that's industri. I mean, those types of things we can start thinking through. Um, and and maybe some of those yellows turn to green because there's going to be more demand for residential or whatever other use it might be. But >> or some build it and they will come decisions by the city council. >> What percentage of um developments do have developers paid the lift for the lift stations? Um, it depends on the It depends on where the lift station is. If it's a lift station that serves uh we have to have it regardless to serve our ultimate build area, the city pays for that. if it's a list station where they wanna they don't want to have to wait for something downstream to be built or a gap to be filled so to speak um and they want it now. Um if we're willing to take on the long-term burden of having that list station uh they have to they have to absorb the full cost of it >> and has that happened already >> uh years ago. Well, I think the Carter Street station is probably that because that is um designed to go away at some point or to be rerouted, but normally no because lift stations are expensive. So, they'll wait or not buy the land. >> And maybe a followup to that. Don't forget it, Josh. It was right there. Uh it's gone. say in the last decade the uh there's been two lift stations constructed at uh for Boulder in the Boulder Heights area >> and then one out at the Highlands. >> So Boulder Heights is actually they uh they paid for that one because >> that was that was one that they went they couldn't wait for stuff to come south and from the west so they wanted to push it a different direction. >> So we didn't plan for it. So Boulder Heights, that developer had to pay for that lift station. >> Okay. And how how much is something like that? >> Quart 300,000 >> for a cheap one. >> Current state >> and and so my question was do we have like a policy or a guideline or uh this is when we will not pay for it. I mean is there like a good thing for developers? >> It's on our comp plan map. That's a system lift station. We can see it's and it was put there to serve larger areas than just that immediate parcel. >> No. >> So basically that's that's the decision. If it's on our map that's a system lift station. >> Not specifically. >> If it's something that could be served a different way if they waited it's their cost. So that probably be the case in the Deutsch. Um if they wanted to put in some kind of a lift station to make that developable that would be their cost under our current policy. So I mean I guess I I think I would love or not love I would consider having some sort of some more clear definition around I mean and if if that's it then that's it but just so that they know and maybe we're not getting those questions maybe we're not getting those concerns but if we do start to get those things we may need to firm that up a little >> that'll come up in the the first time we meet with them we tell them that stuff. Rich, it seems to me that that force main that was put in about 245th and DOT or 240th and DOD um where the pipe gets to the little pipe um the the big metro as long as we're on infrastructure. I'm wondering about capacity because it seems to me the big pipe went that far and then we have a force main that goes the rest of the way to Lakeville. A force man is under pressure, so it's pumped. A a force vein this big can probably handle gravity flow from a sewer this big. So it's just the same capacity. It's just a different mode of moving it through. So they can push it through with pumps at a higher velocity. Whereas gravity flow they tend they they're not flowing full. They're usually flowing with because there's fluctuation in the amount. whereas a pressure pipe can just handle more uh for the same you know for a smaller diameter. >> So we don't have a capacity issue as we go along. >> There's not a bottleneck but that will never be changed. >> No. >> Okay. I I seem to remember some of that discussion with Lakeville wanting us to not grow as fast as we might and therefore I thought there was always capacity crunched at that point. Okay. >> No, we're good all the way to the plant. whether they have to switch out pumps as flow increases or something, but the force man is sized to handle what that gravity can deliver it. >> So, that will take us out to the full 42 inch. >> Yep. Yep. >> Okay. >> Any other questions? >> Next meeting. So our February meeting we are currently working on a industry expert panel. Um we're actually working on multiple industry expert panels. We're looking for the first one is intended to be industrial commercial not retail commercial. That's a different animal and be a different panel. Um commercial we're talking like light industrial showroom that kind of non-industrial non- retail type of development. Um, we're currently in the process of putting that panel together and if that all comes together, that will be our February meeting. That given the number of panels we're looking to get, that will be a longer meeting. Um, and the city council has agreed to move back their start time that night, an extra half hour to provide adequate time for that. >> And remind me, is that the 12th or the 26th? >> 26th. >> 26. >> I'll send invites for all the special meeting dates we soon. >> Thank you. >> Does that wrap up Rich's stuff? Do we need to go down to director's report? >> Um, that was it. >> That was it. >> Yep. >> No more. Nothing left. All right. Motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor?