keeping people engaged and helping really connect those real needs when they come through our network. So, a snapshot of our 2025 expenses um total revenue 224,000 expenses 196 that was two full-time staff we had at the time. And then through our website, it's cool because when needs do get posted there, the needs get filled through our website, but then we're also connecting with different nonprofits to get those needs met. A lot of those needs wouldn't be met if they wouldn't be posted through our website. People can see them and then donate them. So total needs served through our nonprofit is $110,000. So the community impact on that, the biggest categories we saw were children, of course. That's always one of the biggest ones. Um, we really see that uptick in the fall with back to school. We received a really nice private grant from someone that wanted to help get those kids the clothing they needed. The um, school back to school supplies, shoes, those kind of things. And then around Christmas time is always a big one. I believe we served was it 94 children with gifts. Each child received four to five gifts over the Christmas season, so it was one of our busiest times. And then I know this fall was also probably our craziest back to school we've seen. um providing I think it was 16 kids with all new clothing, shoes and school supplies. But the coolest number to see is the 1,400 people that were served in 2025. I think that number really speaks for itself. Um I believe the needs are over 315 I believe was close in that range. So that's around four people on average per household per need being filled. And you just see the impact of that whether it's the mom that needs gas to get her kids to school to get to work. It's the the flat tires in winter and the mom not feeling safe to get to where she needs to go. It's the guy coming out of treatment who needs work clothes because he finally applied for 15 jobs, landed one, but then has no needs a haircut, needs work boots, needs jeans. That's kind of where Fish is here, filling those gaps, trying to help get those people to that next place to hopefully avoid those bigger crisises, whether it's back into homelessness, food insecurities. We're really just trying to bridge those gaps to get people to where they need to hopefully transcend and just be live successful lives. the impact with Scott County. Of course, it's always been so great to work with Scott County, knowing that you guys have been such supporters of Fish and being able to really touch our community and keeping us at a level of flexibility where we can help meet those needs on a Friday that come in and someone needs a hotel for the weekend because a blizzard's coming and keeping the lights on in that aspect. and then also giving us that flexibility to strengthen those collaborations between community organizations, opening those doors for us to meet and further partner and hopefully build bigger, stronger relationships. So, I'm going to start, you know, the the beginning of 2025, it's always, you know, going over kind of what's what was going on and how that looked. My excitement kind of comes from these two impact stories and what's going to kind of bring us into 2026, my vision for fish and where I see fish heading. that I feel like is kind of more my sweet spot. Of course, I love to recap what happened last year, but I think this is really where the push will be. So, I'm going to go over two quick impact stories of kind of a unique needs that came in that I filled in a different aspect versus just transactional online, hope it gets better kind of thing. This is kind of where I see Fish heading in the direction. So, this is a 19-year-old that relocated to Scott County to be closer family. Um he was the main caregiver for his two grandparents who both had Alzheimer's. His mom was on drugs. His dad has not been in the picture and he moved up here. He has an aunt up north or half an hour away and just kind of landed in this area and he came up here. He had a driver's license but no car, no food, didn't graduate high school yet. and we heard about him through our partnering nonprofit and we were able to help him get connected with Takakota Learning Center, get him in to get his high school diploma done. Um, someone donated him a car and then Fish was able to go out, get him his first month's worth of groceries, help him pick out stuff, get him clothing to start school again, get him shoes, get him a haircut, get him the things he just needed to get started and feel confident in this new chapter in his life since before he was just kind of stuck in, you know, in almost like a 15-year-old mindset. And that's where I feel like fish it it was unique in the fact that we just didn't give him a gift card and hope he could figure it out on his own. It's helping that individual see how to do things, how to, you know, giving that encouragement to him and then getting him to where he needs to go and then now seeing that he got a mentorship through a landscaping job in Scott County. He um is completing his high school diploma, I believe, this spring from what I've heard and is thriving. and he's volunteering at a church on youth group nights and he's really just, you know, becoming more of an adult now versus just stuck in this mindset. Another was a um pregnant home pregnant homeless mother who was living in Savage out of her suburban. This is a a picture took online just cuz she didn't want me to share her actual photo just so you know, but it I felt like it really it actually kind of looks just like them. Um her son has autism and she I believe is 13 weeks pregnant. found housing, which took a while due to some of her criminal background. And once she got into housing, it was like the whole world was coming down on her. It was like she was out of fight or flight, trying to figure out where life was going to bring her, had has received no medical care, didn't know what to do with her son and how to get him into different programs, had nothing in the house. Fish was able to connect her with one of our pregnancy choices out in Apple Valley. get her in, get her a mentor, get her an ultrasound, get her that medical care she needed, help her son get um into different therapies and programs, get him new clothing, get employees for Christmas, and now she's working um a job and she they're successful still in their housing. I think this is the longest they've been stable in housing. She's able to pay her own bills currently and getting off of all assistance and really thriving in where she's at. And again, that's where I see kind of fish. It's not as always material needs, but it's also just trying to connect the dots, but then seeing those dots continue on and not just saying, "Well, here's a couple numbers. I hope you can figure it out. Have a good day." It's pushing them there, encouraging them, and then trying to follow through to see how those stories end up and helping them along the way. So that's where I see the priorities um from just stop not just being transactional online all the time which I think will always be a core of fish that is who we are that we do that is such a great way and a tool base to get those needs out get the community involved and donate but then seeing how are we helping the families. Are we just putting a band-aid on and then not following through? I want to see how these families are going after the needs are getting filled. How are we going to help support them, strengthen partnerships with different organizations to follow through on those stories? I know not every single need, we will be able to with HIPPA or just different things in place, but I think that in order for this to just really see Scott County go from A to B and those people struggling, I think that's what is needed to help with those needs. I that's kind of my heartbeat behind that and what I see is not nectar, but as a responder as well. and um hoping to see those success stories. You know, doing different check-in days, 30, 60, 90 check-ins. Are the patterns repeating? Are the barriers resolved? Are we shifting from one-time help to a guided process? And hoping that those needs will are actually filling those gaps, getting a toz and not continual repeaters that are coming back asking for the same thing over and over. when you see those cycles because when you see those passed down to the kids and then it's just this continual cycle like how do we break those cycles and really see the change in our community >> question. >> Yeah. >> Um like I love the uh the what if to that you know like what if fish did all these things um the 30 6090 that more than just the transactional. >> Yeah. >> Uh and I'm always like I I I never want to jump to the how because it's more fun to talk about the what if we did this with everything. >> Right. What if this? What if this? What if this? The how will come? >> Yep. >> But how >> how >> how do you see fish? Like I love it. Um the real needs right now. I love that concept. Love it because sometimes you just need something to >> which is so important that emergency help. That is a unique way to help. >> It's it's it's powerful. Um can be very powerful. >> I think a big thing is strengthening those partnerships with who we already work with. Like right now I know everyone has fish in their mouth, right? Like people know who fish are. It's not like some secret organization, but for instance, I just met with Tony from heart twice now. It's getting people involved and seeing like, hey, we are helping these people. Let's get them involved with a either a mentor or finding someone that wants to volunteer. I always have people come to me and ask, how can we volunteer with fish? Like, what can we do? Like, well, it's kind of hard. It's all online right now. There's not much donate. But, you know, some people want to like feel that connection and see the connection with the person they're helping. And I think it's it's getting that more revved up and getting the communities more involved in that aspect which I feel like fish has been there and it's just revamping it and kind of re picturing it. want to thank or go ahead. Well, if I could just make a quick comment related to what I see is really exciting about Rachel's work is originally with FISH the design was that imagine an outer circle which was the programs, ministries and services of uh the partner groups you know nonprofit service groups local government business community they all have programs ministries and services that they provide and the the second Thursday was to make us all aware what everybody's providing. Then a slightly inner uh circle was the email network of posting and meeting needs of all these partner groups. They would submit needs and they get met and that's going but even deeper now the next that never developed with fish was sort of a mentor more of a relational aspect which you're working on and you know those mentors can come from the partner. So if somebody is a needs needs a mentor in a certain category of their life that maybe you know if they're a mom a single mom well they can be connected through fish to the mom's program or if they're a battered woman they can be connected through you know southern valley alliance you know through you know so there how I think is through engaging the partners in a more unified way with fish >> right like that thing mama was talking about we connected her with Grace Church, they have that single mom's group and that's just such a perfect atmosphere. She doesn't feel judged. She doesn't feel isolated. She doesn't just feel like, "Oh, I'm this screw up mom with a kid that has been homeless for most of his life." She is able to connect with them, but then see them three months down the road and be like, "Wow, like they're doing it. I can do it, too." It's giving them that confidence. And I think that's the great thing about strengthening those partnerships and re actually getting out there and seeing like fish needs to be that person. And >> well, and I think it's important to point out too, I think most maybe everybody knows, but Rachel's the new interim director, at least for now, that maybe that interum is removed, whatever. So, there's u some new life, new breath, new um >> and I always didn't joke, but um I I just think fish is such a powerful tool, >> right, >> that it's just been like it just needs to >> Exactly. Um, and so the new energy and some of these things because I mean if I go back and we'll talk about it probably later, if I look at the if I didn't know fish and I looked at the snapshot of some of the numbers, you know, just the numbers, I'd probably be kind of uninspired, >> right? >> You know, if I'm giving money to an organization, like it has to, you know, and we talked I'm on the fish boards, we talked about all this things. >> If I'm giving a dollar to an organization, like >> at least 80 to 85 cents of that dollar needs to get to the field. um yes or all of those things. So trying to retell that story and rejigger those numbers and have a bigger network so that you're reaching more people with roughly the same or not much more of the of the expense side of things. >> Yeah. >> Um I think fish is poised has been poised to do that. So >> um just a quick Rachel has brought a new energy to fish and we're excited about a few things. One is the lunch and learn. We're going from the breakfast meeting or breakfast a morning meeting. There was some breakfast occasionally, but the morning meeting I should say to a lunch and learn meeting and you know it's important to the second Thursday is re-energized that these partners we get more in the room that that's sort of the lifeblood of fish and Rachel's working on that with with going out networking but also re-energizing that second Thursday meeting are up. We're also not planning on hiring the uh the second person as a full-time. We're going back to more like Jean Kubish kind of needs Jean was contracted for like 20 hours a week. So we're that's where we're headed. So the roose cost now and you're giving a dollar of needs. There are people that give just make sure the lights are on the structure there. There other people that give straight to needs and 100% of that money does go to needs. >> So yeah, good point. And it's, you know, even just looking at this month compared to last year, I mean, it's been we I think we had over 7,000 donated just through our website to fill these. Um, that's so impressive to me to see that coming and happening again. I mean, when I first started, I saw that and I saw it die down and now it's just we're real busy, which is good. I mean, it's sad to see needs come in, but it's good to see that there's community out there that still wants to support fish and it's not just needs coming in and then us trying to figure out what like it's it's really revamping and it's it's been a busy month looking at our partnerships and how those needs will help to get filled and how those needs are coming from Prairie Point. We are working with Volunteers of America to be their point person when needs come in. Whether it's beds they need to fill, whether it's they need um furniture for the rooms, we have been helping fill those rooms with furniture. And another one that came through was someone was applying but all their stuff was in a storage locker and so we were able to get that storage locker open that same day so they can get their documents out for the child to apply for housing. Um Pulksportage we just toured over there. We're working with CAP workers over there. They're coming to the training today to get integrated with fish to post needs for those families coming into housing. Um one I'm really excited about is St. Francis. So, I will be I presented to them twice now and then I'm going to be working with the birth center there for those moms that are coming in that need those strollers. It's hard because they're like, "Well, it's a 24-hour turnaround when people have babies." But that's where FISH can for sure step in, partner with them, um, and help meet those needs and continue on that following through with those parents. Um, Scott County Library, I've been working with Michael. We're going to have some open tables during different classes and different things. um monthly. We're going to I believe I got to look at the schedule still, but we're going to try to do it once a week. Go to different libraries around Scott County be resource and also just being there for when the most traffic is happening. People can see fish, get a part of it, watch what's going on, join the network. That's a really big one I'm excited about. Um we are going to be working closely with HART now and with Tony to get needs met and filled and um when we're growing, they're also growing out into different areas. And I think that'll be a really good collaboration that's in the beginning of that that just kind of went over yesterday. The link also we are partnering with them, getting involved with them, helping them furnish their new places, get the needs for these youth that are coming into their passageways after they're rebuilding. And I just I've been very excited to see and get to know all these partners on a different level and kind of see what they're seeing from their point of view. I think that's the biggest thing with fish, too, is I can't just look at them through my lens. tell you to look at every partner because they're just working with different people groups, different organizations and try to bridge those gaps and you know be flexible in that aspect. >> Well, we're nearing time with this presentation so you're going to kind of have to speed up. >> Yep. This is my last slide then I'll be done >> and we cut you short. Sorry. >> Not too. >> Yeah, for sure. Lunch and learn over that. >> Okay, go ahead. A few minutes. >> I just want to make sure we got a late start. >> Okay, got a late start. Okay, keep >> for sure. So the lunch and learn I'll this is my last slide and then feel free to ask any questions. Um I think this will be great. We're going to have it at the same meeting. We're going to keep it at health and human services until September. Then we're going to move over to danger fields. The same aspect but this way hours are different. We had I believe it was 47 people attend our last meeting which was like almost double or triple the amount of people. You think it was Jane told me she might not have accounted correct but it was it was packed. >> It was packed. >> Yeah. So it was energy was high. Everyone is really excited. Um, and I think that's just going to be the continuing on with that. It's just making these small tweaks to really see the difference and really excited about it. But yeah, thank you. >> One one little comment on lunch and learn. We're going to have a bucket out there kind of a fishy looking bucket that people want to it's free, but if they want to contribute lunch cost be welcome to and if they want to help >> contribute to the overall cost of the lunch, they can do that, too. So we're hoping that it's not >> a big drain on you know I mean we feel it's worth it even but we're going to try and undergard the cost with >> directly to the lunch. >> There'll be different ways too. We can try to reach out to community partners see if they want to sponsor lunches and you know >> getting that going once I think I have my second person to help. I'll explore more avenues like that. But first was a success. So excited about that. >> Questions? Yeah, I I have questions. Um, and we show that we have $45,000 of the levy that is um that we allocate to fish. >> Yep. >> If that was discontinued, what would happen? I have a couple other questions. Maybe can hold them all in one on one, but um we have two board members and staff that's currently on the board. Yep. >> And if we discontinue that, what would happen? And then we have other community organizations in Chaki that similar work. Um and in if fish was no longer how would that would that work continue is it a necess necessary? >> I think the 45,000 of course is very helpful and will always be appreciate you know I mean it really does help but I think fish would continue. I think our supporters are pretty strong. I I would love to keep everyone on the board if even if we did not have that support from Scott County anymore. I would never want to see fish just die out. I think it's so vital in so many ways and I see those stories and the change that happens from it. So from my perspective as of now I think fish will continue on. Um that would be of course my hope and then it just we're always looking for ways to increase that funding from other sources as well. And I think that's just part of being a nonprofit is looking at what's out there and getting creative with fundraisers and you know that is that is the hope and the goal to be self-sufficient. I think for any nonprofit that's what we want to see. I you know don't want to always have to feel that reliance. I think it's just getting to that point now and getting our our pieces in the right places to hopefully get that to that place. Hope that answers your question kind of. Yeah. Okay. Um, thanks. Hi Rachel. I am Barb used to be on the fish board. Sorry I haven't met you in um I I think this kind of has to do with Jod's question and Tom's reference over here. Um I think that like it's great to have these snapshots and the 110 540. That's a number we're all looking at. >> And I just I know it's hard to accurately idea all the needs served. And I just would a couple things. I'm just going to ask for a couple things that maybe we can work on and we can help. I think sometimes that number is maybe an under measurement. Um because you know you can measure it easily when somebody donates $500 for rent or whatever. making making sure that we have some kind of system to identify the nonmonetary needs met and I think I think the organization's been getting better but I would say that should be a >> kind of a top goal to get towards that self sustainability that you talked about. Another thing that as as you've really created some new energy and and uh exposure for this organization, it might be good to have some type of I mean I'm just envisioning like a pie chart where it shows funding, you know, so funding for operation. You know, right now a percent is from government, a percent from donors, a percent from fundraising. And that could be a really good goal is to change that pie chart for the board um and staff to make the the contributions to the nonprofit and to the funding of the nonprofit be greater whether whether the government money the 45,000 stays same or gets less. It would be nice to see that share of the pie get less. >> Yes. Um, and then I I love what you're talking about with the check-ins and all that. Maybe because I I feel like we're seeing now and then in the fall we're gonna see this again and talk about budget. if you need to figure out how you're going to measure those check-ins y um you know and is it isn't it a simple assessment with a family of how they're doing >> when they come to fish and then you know 120 days later hopefully they've moved up on that that kind of assessment I love the idea of volunteers because I do think um getting volunteers involved in fish and and maybe a separate nonprofit's going to have some more flexibility in You still have of course oversight of those volunteers, but how they could be used, what they could be done done and and using that as some of the statistics here, you know, whether it's 50 families and they they were able to be better off by the time 120 days went by. So, I I really like that just kind of saying that as as thoughts for the future as as Swift grows and >> um you know, figures out it's kind of next evolution. >> Yeah. So, thank you. We are working with uh her name is Janet Wool. She did a internal and external observation of the CDA. She's worked with bridging. She's working with fish now. And so I've met with her a couple times now and she's suggested we start doing surveys for um either posters, people having needs filled, which I think is a great idea because that's going to help measure those demographics and see just kind of where they're at in a snapshot and then continuing those surveys, you know, 30, 60, 90, and doing those check-ins and with the volunteers. That's kind of the direction I'm seeing. and she's kind of helping build what does fish need to see those numbers cuz I also want it to you know it would just make life way easier to see because there are so many non-monetary needs to be filled not through us but then how do you track that and that is kind of the assessment I believe she's building to hopefully help me then apply for grants to get technology to the place where it can do that on its own and you know get us to that next level and then we can show those great stats and it'll just paint a better picture I think for everyone. Right. >> Just uh one thing if I could. Um over time we've known that fish meets needs that the county can't. In other words, the county case workers would have a need, but it's in a category they can't meet. I mean, they can't meet new tires for somebody that >> doesn't have the ability to get to work. It would be good in the future always to be able to to tell the county what dollar value of needs were just county needs. So if the county gives 45,000 and you're labor able to say in an ending year we met 55,000 to just county needs then the county doesn't need to be concerned about what percent was the lights on what percent was administration because they would know our dollars went to >> needs you know so >> great I would keep track >> for sure yep and I can always pull that too and send it over I believe I can pull that from our website so if there's a number that is interesting or would like to see let me know and I can get that over in the next day or as well. >> So along those lines, I mentioned, you know, like I if I'm giving something to an organization like 80 to 85% minimum to go to the field, but I also do uh to Commissioner's point, you know, keeping the lights on. I also do think it's when you have a compelling organization, it's super sexy to pay to keep the lights on and all of those things. So um so so that that being said, for sure. Um also self-reliance. I mean that's something I've been talking about for years. I would love for fish to be self-reliant or to Barb's point, uh, Commissioner Wag, >> um, you know, even if the county and CDA or whatever, if that number stayed the same or dwindled or whatever, um, if it was just a smaller piece of that overall pie, um, and here here's my here's my belief, and I believe this my heart hearts. Fish has always been one of those things that's just been like a tight spring just ready to just, >> right, >> cut loose. um like it's in the bucket of like major potential, >> right? >> Um to where as I kind of alluded to before like where this thing could go doesn't could exponentially increase some of these numbers, the reaches, the partners, the you know the needs met with not it's not the same kind of exponential growth in the bottom line, >> right? >> Um so I'm excited about that and I really you know some of the is that a new book on Amazon, The Murmurings by Tom Wolf? I'm not sure, but if not, it should be. >> I'm murmuring too loud, though, because it's >> Well, an interview has talked about a little bit before while we're waiting to get the computers going. Um, >> because we we've talked about this as a horrible. Well, this group's doing food and this group's doing food and this group's doing just not as an >> and this like is there, you know, duplication efforts um kind of filling separate needs, you know, different demographics or whatever. Um, and so the idea that Fish is willing to be willing, meaning, you know, some of these partnerships that you, um, you know, there are other nonprofits, some could say like, oh, >> right, >> they could be competitors. They could be taking some of my market share, but >> you know, my experience has been if you're going in with open hands and like you're just >> like, let's fill this need, let's do with let's work with whoever, that just >> breeds goodness and success. Success breeds success. Y >> so I'm really happy to see that that um you're not trying to recreate the wheel. I mean some of these check-ins and some of this mentoring stuff is amazing that takes infrastructure and time and >> trying to do that onious own like doesn't sound >> no >> super um >> would be you know relying on hopefully those partner like the heart situation is they have so many volunteers ready and willing for >> that and that's what Tony and I were talking about >> which is which is amazing. I mean they're they're a great partner and you know internally we're you know we're have been a county that's trying to be that county on the hill like how do we bring people together that are really good at doing X Y and Z where the government maybe isn't as good in those areas. Um you so partnering with different groups faith groups businesses nonprofits that have demonstrated track records on doing X Y and Z. And so for fish to have that same mentality of we don't need to be the expert in all of these areas, but we know some, >> right? >> And we know those to partner with to make everybody better, right? >> So I'm excited about that. So um yeah, partnering versus self-reliance and and self self-sufficiency or making that number the smaller piece of the pie is a win-win for everybody. Those that are getting served and those that are doing the service. excited. >> Well, thank you. That was very excellent presentation. >> Thank you. >> Every time I get a chance, I tell Rachel, you know, I'm so excited about the energy and the new life she's bringing in the fish that she's uh really doing a fabulous job. >> And I would love I'm kind of new to the role. I want to get to know everyone and kind of see life from their perspective. So, if you're ever open to meeting and kind of chatting about what you do and getting to know you on that level, please let me know. I love to talk. So, >> be reminded besides Dave and John, who who else from Scott County is on the board? Suzanne. >> Yep. And then we have um Cap, we have Terry Hassan, and then um Crystal Boy is on our program committee. >> Okay. >> And Yeah. No, thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Were you wanting to get back on You know, I will cheer from here. You guys are doing a great job. Keep doing it. It's always an open. >> All right. Next up is the camp agency. >> Thank you. >> Morning everybody. >> Morning. I'm helping with the slides. So, if you need me to move along, just let me know. Oh, I'm sorry. Good morning everybody. Jeff Hansen, the executive director GAP agency, executive director. >> We've created a slideshow for you to show you a little bit about the things that we do regularly. And um at any time you have questions, please let us know and we'll try to answer them. Professor move on. So, you know, our mission is really to try to move people along from poverty and we do that in in a lot of ways um through our programming, through our partnership with other other community agencies, counties. So really our our goal is to try to help people stabilize them, you know, in the in the real world and and try to get them um not relying on as many services as they do. That's a a tall order on most part, but that's really where I stand as the executive director and and I'm trying to when we talk to our team. So that's that's the goal is achieve it. So our our programs we offer food and nutrition. So the way we're set up is Jackie oversees all the programs outside of Head Start or the Head Start. So she oversees mostly what you see up there. And so our we have a a director for Head Start early Head Start and we have Susie who just leads the housing not just but leads the housing who reports to. So the the senior leadership team has become smaller in my tenure with the agency. We do not have an HR director. We do not have a IT director. We do not have a a CFO. Those were all positions that we had when I came into the agency. And through trial and error, um, things have have come to where we thought, you know, some of those positions just weren't needed. So, we we slim down that and that allows us to maybe have more flexible dollars in other areas, that's what we do in that area. All the programs, including the thrift store, which is making money and not a lot, but it it does does make a little bit of a profit for us. So still working on that. Any questions on what we're doing here? We can go on to the next slide. Some of the the impact this is you have I think in your packet a bit the bigger one if anybody needs one have some extra but really what this is our impact report for 2025 and who we serve it. So it's Food shelf. Food shelf gets a lot of attention. I think it's a very visible part of what we do. People see that. People can understand that. We get a lot of support for food shelf from our donors. Um which is good because there's not a lot of um grant money that we can access through federal, state, or even um private foundations. It's just harder to get that money. So it's we offset our cost with private donations and some of our federal um block grant money that we use to offset the cost. So I think there's a part of this slide where it shows the senior cost we'll get to later that's there's an assignment bro. So you know since we've started food has become more and more expensive. I think anybody any goes grocery shopping understands that. And you know a question that we've had quite a bit in in even recently is why is it continuing to grow? You know because every year we serve more people in our food shop. You know you can there's some reasons you know we it's you know we've got an increasing aging population who was on a fixed income. We're seeing more seniors come through. Um things are more expensive, housing is more expensive, food's more expensive. Gas more expensive. So people have to make decisions and so the idea behind the food is it's a it's a supplemental part to help you maybe save a little money and so it just hasn't stopped. Um it's a very low bar. It's another question we get about um food shelves. Food shelves if you want to get the food rescue and Jackie you better jump in if I get this wrong. Sometimes I do. We we're not allowed to ask like where are you from? What what are the things here? That's basically >> yeah it's all self-reported uh name, address, income. Uh so we track that just to know where people are coming from so we can report out the picture. Um but we can't ask for proof of any. So there are so um just this week um we had u two people reach out to us saying they wanted to pick up food for 90 families and they were from Eden Prairie and they had a uh and so there's two of them. One wanted to do 90, one wanted to do 60 and that's a lot of food. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of cost. So there's a lot of things there and she heard about us from a volunteer at another uh saying, "Oh, so they showed up at our TASA distribution last week. >> Um got in the line and when they got there said, "Yeah, we have a 100 families." Like we can't do that. And so really I'm proud of the staff's decision. She asked her to pull aside and and let everybody else go through and then we gave her what was left, you know, if there wasn't anything left. So then she found out that we're having one today from 3:00 to 4:00 in our parking lot here and wanted to come and get 60. So I called her and I said, you know, >> the spirit of this is to um we started this particular this this is the third one of these that we're doing in our parking lot. The spirit is that we want, you know, there's some ice sheltering going on in in the community. You know, we're hearing about some folks who need some food. So this is really supposed to be locally for us. and she was really understanding and um appreciated the fact that I called her and said that you know I go that's a lot of money for us to buy food for 90 families. I go you know our our purview is Scott Carver Dakota County not Hannah I go Hannah's got a lot of resources why aren't you reaching out of there? Um so she was understanding but that's what's happening. I think there's some of that going on but there are people who are showing up from outside of our service area and there's not a lot we can do about that. um if we want to continue to get the food rescue which we need to get each and every day out in the community. You have any questions about food rescue? We can happily answer that. But we're working with the county on food rescue. >> Uh yes, an NPCA grant. Yes, >> applying for an MPC grant with environmental services um to increase food rescue and get more food rescue out to um like Jordan and >> so since we have the resources to go out every day um we'll reach hopefully there will be a partnership more collaboration with these smaller shelves to get them food um maybe once a week because they they don't have they're only open for short periods of time. So, we'll we'll probably do hopefully if we'll pay on that particular day, we'll bring you guys some food, you'll have it. And um that sounds like a pretty good idea to start collaborating with these smaller food trucks. A lot of people do. All right. Food distributions. We do two over in Carver County. Those were both requests. Uh the Chaska one was the first one that the Carver County asked us to do. We're still doing that. And then the city of Norwood, Young America, uh reached out and said, "Hey, can we get something over on the western part of the county?" And so we started doing that as well. Um it was offered to the local food shelf first, declined it. That's why they reached out to us because there are some unwritten and written rules in the food community where you're supposed to respect territories. So that's one of the things that we're trying to do. So once they said no, but my guess is that'll end here this year at some point. I think there's going to be some that'll tail out. We go up to Edgewood School in Prior Lake. That was something that we reached out as a school that we bring produce and fresh food to monthly >> and they identified that school as being the school in the in the district that needed some help with some food. So we do that. We continue our partnership with Canterbury where we bring them food every Friday to their barn staff and that's grown quite a bit. Canary is very appreciative. They do supply us with money for that as well. Support us in other ways. So, um that seems that's a seasonal thing while they're there for the the racing season. And then SMSSC when they have their they have them periodically throughout the summer and for their staff and folks is really what that identifies for. So we help get the food back. So that's relationship we can go on. Senior nutrition we're serving over 500 meals a day to seniors throughout the three counties. So every day food is brought to sites throughout all three counties. We have volunteers who show up um and then deliver those meals to the seniors every day. >> And just add one thing. >> Yep. >> Sorry. Um in addition to senior nutrition and the meals that are provided, we also do mobile food shelf to five senior housing buildings in county. Um three of which are in Bel, one in Jordan, and one in Prior Lake. Um so that was also a need those building managers reached out asking help support. um those seniors that don't uh have transportation to come to our >> well a lot of people take the things. So Jor is a wolffully underfunded program that we've cut back significantly this year given the staff time we've we've given her some additional because there's no funding for this. And so um as we're working on our strategic plan, one of the things that I've identified is is finding some ways to collaborate work with folks out in the community for our senior population that's aging. right now there's just not a lot of resources and um every day every year we're getting a larger senior base and I think that's it's going to come you know sooner or later so I think really trying to find ways to meet their needs you know a lot of research is done that says allowing these folks to age in their home is very can be very beneficial from a mental health standpoint support standpoint so the goal of tour is you know we do have volunteers who will come in and do some small projects uh inside outside housed from you know yard maintenance and snow removal to things you know painting and things and then if we don't have volunteers if we have a budget we can pay some contractors to go out there and do that as well but we don't have much money for that. So, um, it's gone down a little bit, but it's >> Yeah, we were getting, um, a little over 100,000 for it, um, across multiple sources. Um, and now we only get it from Trellis, uh, the one source for the area agency on aging the next 50,000 yearly quickly when you have seniors. So, so that's George parents. Jackie could talk a little bit more about parents helping parents. That's one of the >> grants. >> Um so parents helping parents is part of the Scott family net grant um that we apply for every year. Um Marissa leads this effort with Isabelle um who also does the cultural navigation for the FRC. Um this provides an opportunity for parents to come together um get some support their um challenges, successes that they've had. Um it's held at Pearson Early Learning Center. Um childcare is provided. We had about six uh parents attending every week in the fall. Um that went down to two in person in January and one virtual um sheltering. So they're hoping to get back up in May. Um and then we also do summer activities for the families to do together. >> Um yeah, mental health community sessions. Um so the mental health community sessions are Spanish speaking mental health therapist leads this um it was originally in partnership with um GA public health um they do once a month uh two-hour sessions where they're providing education on different types of mental health um needs concerns support that people might have uh for others in their family. uh we provide child care and we uh at those and these have been moved to virtual starting in January. Um and we'll hopefully do that in person. >> We average around 20 25 families per session. So they're pretty popular. >> And this is virtual just because of >> they didn't want to show up in person. I >> think we're slowly seeing that in the rearview mirror. >> Yeah, I think that River Valley. River Valley has been around a long time. Um, CAP was a a founding member of River Valley and they were mostly doing their services out of Chaser. They were doing their services out of Chaser. We were on a board. Their executive director retired. Um, and I I I said, "Hey, you know, maybe this is something CAP can take on and and pulled underneath our umbrella since they really kind of trying to figure out the direction." And so we brought them on continuing their services in Chaza. We also created a clinic space here in Chaki and our site. So they're there once a week and you know, they see a lot of people. Dr. Wilcox and Dr. Willie are both the the the doctors. We have another doctor that volunteers their time every week. Last week they were in Shaki till after 10 at night with all the families that are coming in. And so it's a it's a nice little program that serves a a real niche group of folks who are maybe not really willing to go out and see the doctors. And so they do more exams. They can do diabetes, some blood draws, some heart heart stuff. working with the American Heart Association want they have a grant to do some some monitoring there and then if they need some more significant uh type of work we we do refer them on to some other providers because there's some things that we just can't do. So um but we have become some of those folks some of those families have their primary spot for um medical help. So it's a it's a nice program. um it just kind of does its thing quietly in the background and um and um it's a it's a pretty cool thing. So, anybody ever wants to see our clinic by Head Start, Early Head Start, everyone is fairly familiar with that. um you know um last year during the budget talks that was on the the block to be removed from federal funding um a pretty big uproar nationally and we had immediate bipartisan support in Washington both sides of the aisle said hey this is a program that's been well vetted has a lot of research behind it and that was quickly turned around and the president said okay yeah we're good so it's it's saved one of the directions that CAP is doing in in in uh anticipation there's been more and more public schools bringing in prek hills because of the dollars there. So we're and that impacts our head start enrollment um some level. So what we're doing now is we're exploring and trying to move to a centerbased early head start. So we'll have um we'll probably convert one of our Hamilton classrooms in Savage or two of those into early Head Start centerbased. So, um, instead of us just going out to the home of the early head start families, they're going to come to us and it'll be more, um, more like a child care setting. That's the pivot that we're working on there. It's laden with a lot of, uh, hoops to jump through as you can imagine from the federal government. So, it won't be quick. It won't be easy. It's not just, hey, we want to do this and we're going to increase. We have to everything has to balance out budgets. So currently head starts more expensive than head start. So you have to take more kids from Head Start. It's just a really complicated process. But I think in the long run it's better for us be prepared for you know each and every year kind of get chunked away from our Head Start classrooms from folks who are choosing to go schools. So that's um Yep. That's just the younger. So we're working with with parents and early head start from prenatal all the way to age three. And so we're in the homes. We're working parents. We're trying to help them, you know, everything diet of how you prepare to having a child come in, what what are some of the things you should be doing and planning for. So that's what our family found workers are doing each and every day with those families lie. That's the federal dollars for energy assistance that is given to the state who then we are our role in this is to get folks approved application. So they work with us to make sure their application is is has everything it needs. we double check, we put the bow on it and so then that state will look at it and once it becomes approved then the dollars will then be a check will then be written to that local utility company to get their energy bills paid. So, it's passed through dollars from the federal government and we just work on getting that is the number up there. I can't see >> over 10,000. >> Over 10,000. >> Yeah. And last year we had just over 8,000. So, it's gone up. >> So, that was one of the ones that really went down to the last two weeks of the budget without we were ready to lay those staff off at our agency because we just weren't giving any money, but it came through so they're still doing their thing. So that's a that's a very seasonal program. We're already we we um we lay people off starting in February and then slowly that stack gets um smaller and smaller as us as the spring grows on and then they come back in September and we do it again. So >> that works. We own 11 properties, 44 units. Most of these are in um Dakota County, some here in Scott. Um these are pro buildings that um app has acquired through some different maybe a CHOT loan. Don't ask me what that stands for, but it's a Dakota County has been pretty big at this. And so um we get dollars from them to uh to fix our properties. we've gotten dollars from them to say here's a 30-year you guys pay a dollar you bring in this type of clients to live in these rooms for 30 years and that building is yours have slowly become our properties over the years um and because stay true to the grants and the type of people that are coming in so um this is one of the revenue um streams for CAP that can be uh used as we wish so these a big part of what we do. I've always wanted to grow this because I think um more revenue for us to help offset, you know, the lack of grants would be awesome, but it's really expensive to try to find property and to buy it and we don't have that type of bandwidth right now. So, we sit on this and Dakota's got some other properties that they might be offering us down the road here so that they're getting rid of. So maybe we'll bring some more on, but um we'll see how that goes. >> Just out of curiosity, it used to be that when we would buy um houses for future right away, didn't we sometimes let them go to CAP for for a period of time for no shaking your head? >> The CDA leases them out. >> CDA. >> So the CDA leases them out. >> Sorry. >> Yeah. We don't want it permanent because they were bought to go away. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Supportive housing. Jackie, you could take over support. >> So, supportive housing is mostly um our federal grants through HUD. Um there are some grants that pass through the state and to the county grants with you guys. Um but supportive housing is the case management. Um it's intended to help someone stabilize. Um they work with them for about one or two years and then hopefully move them on to stable housing off of case management. Um and then new people come in. So really trying to work on goals and budgeting is >> I'm a little nervous because I feel like we've got some professionals here with us. >> Please let us know what we don't. >> All right. So um CAP provides assistance to those who are at risk of being homeless or those who are experiencing homelessness. um those at risk for paying past rents, um uh utilities, deposits, um and then those that are experiencing homelessness, we're helping them um get on lists, uh navigate the system, and then help with that personal rent and deposit. Um so this is where we receive um good portion of money from Scott County. You can move to the next slide. Uh so this is our outcomes for 2025. um 153 prevention household served. So we prevented that many from becoming homeless. Um 178 exit stable housing which is 97% pass rate. Um and then we serve 494 people. Um of that 75% of them were families. This is for both Scott and Farber combined. Uh we get about 100 calls a month that go through 211. there's screens there and then they come to us if they qualify. Um but we can only provide support for about 20 to 30 of those households every month. Um just based on funding. Uh we do have two separate funding sources. the uh LAA dollars um which is just direct assistance um and then the FHP is our two-year grant which provides the support services the staffing process all of this um the direct assistance and then the admin for paying out then we have the family shelter program um so this is what is moving now has moved into books shortage. Um so we previously were housing one family in a town home in Shocki U where we were leasing from the CDA and then one family was in a hotel. Um staff met with them weekly to work on goals um obtaining housing but the next steps were um connecting to different resources as well. And then on the next slide shows uh that we served seven households um within the last year. The average length of stay 184 days, so about six months. Three households have exited stable housing within that one-year period. We have four households currently in the program. So those two that we were um serving into hopes um the family that was in the town home moved on to stable housing. Um and then this is what we receive um in terms of funding for support services or the case management um direct assistance and administration portage. I would guess most of you are pretty familiar with this. Um you know it's it's up and running. We have our staff over there. They're doing a big training today. Uh so still kind of getting our feet wet there and making sure that we got all our we do have all our staff hired staff then the first two >> families I believe >> eight on vacation we get eight >> uh the spare weather shelter voucher program um is where we receive funding from Scott County um to support those that are um living outside and homeless and we meet different criteria for temperatures. So whether it's um over 90 degrees or below 32 degrees uh so hand out can hand out these vouchers. Uh we also work with other providers um police departments handed out hospitals county um and then we're them paying contract I guess contact or contractor for the hotels and processing payments for those states. Um and then yes here's our outcome. Uh so from July last year um through last week we had 183 vouchers issued. um 101 unique households, average saves about three days. Um we work with six hotels in Scott County and use 62,000 um of the 100,000 we'll receive for the year. If you had more >> question about that had put a house motel ordinance together um and was going to affect the people that could stay at the hotels. Have you seen that or are they allowing people to continue to stay at the hotels or >> the agreement the 30 days? Is that what you're Yeah. So, I did meet with the city administrator and previous chief and um we agreed that we would they would allow us to to go past six 30 days if we just um had an agreement with the hotel or checked them into a different hotel. Um I asked Susie yesterday and it's not come up once from anybody. Um, I think the her paraphrase something to the effect that um, you know, CAP does a really good job of of manage working with managers to make sure our um, folks that we're put in there are are well behaved and following the rules and we remove them and blacklist them if that happens. And so there just hasn't been any issues with it since. It seems to me in my brief tenure that sometimes that gets a lot of attention from the city and then it goes away and it you know I go that just depends on calls that they get to the hotels and all that but right now it's been for the last at least the last six plus months been really quiet perspective so it hasn't been something we're having to deal with but I haven't provided any other >> just a quick comment And it's going to seem like a commercial. Um, in past era fish, um, CD cap would have a bite-siz voucher size. Probably doesn't relate to your size of voucher, but would put like a $50 certificate or something that people could get to fish for energy or or could be for severe weather. So I just encourage you going forward that you continue to use that as a resource money that could be contributed. >> I have another statement. I know that the shaky public utilities has stated that they have money available for emergency electricity. Is that do you work with the Shaki public utilities to provide um emergency power power, electricity and >> Yes. So um the energy assistance program works really closely with all of the uh utility providers in our three county area. Um they call them when there is a severe need to see if there's something that they can help if we've already exhausted our resources. Um so yes our our manager of the program does work really closely with each of those utility companies. Um we also have worked closely with traffic public utilities on the emergency utility support over these last couple months. >> Okay. Hzana umart >> um donated $5,000 to be used for utility um payments um just for Shakipi residents and then uh CAP matched that um actually went up for $10,000 to do all three counties for utility payments. And so we worked with the school district to actually I called all the different people really. Shakip was the only one who took us up on this. Um Jordan didn't f nobody else needed the money I guess. So um each and every week Chaki public um schools would would give us a list. uh we would we would run that through our uh energy assistance program to see you know those folks had received or were in regardless then we would um get that that dollar amount and cut checks every Thursday bring them over to Shak most of them were shot public utilities some were mailed out to Excel and some other places but the majority were that so that we're we're continuing to do And um it's less and less every week. One of the interesting things that I thought was interesting is that when we were putting these people who needed help with utilities through our system, none of them were had ever applied for energy assistance before. One of the things that might tell me is that these folks were working and paying their paying all their bills prior to shopping and the shelter thing kind of threw them for a loop. So they needed a temporary assistance. So, um that's just a side note that I that was interesting them. We're still packing 114 meals every day for Shakip schools. We started doing this late Januaryish. >> Yeah. February. >> February. And we were at at full capacity. We're doing 120 families a week. We're down to 114. Um and so every Wednesday we have volunteers come in, we pack these meals and then we have volunteers come at during the afternoon and we deliver them to all these are all families of shaky cos that they identified. So that's something we're doing and we've committed to do that through April 1 >> up till their spring break and then they're going to reassess what they may or may not meet after that. Those are two of the things that we've done in response to some of the ICE activity here. So, moving on, community needs assessment is something we've done every 3 to 5 years. It's required by us by um CSBG federal grant and we need to this is something we do. It's uh it's in in process as we speak. Uh so we reached out to Jackie. What are the numbers? >> Yeah, so the community needs assessment we completed last spring and early summer. Uh we have 58 respondents um for those that were serving that could be serving. Um and then 28 community partners. We have a separate partner survey for that. Um just to assess and see if there's anything we're missing um or could be added to um our service uh list. Um the community needs assessment is a requirement for us then to go into our strategic planning is what um Jeff is referring to as being in process um currently. So we're required to do this first every three years to then feed into what we're going to focus on for our strate and it really year after year it's these these categories remain pretty static. They might change and and you know what for the snapshot of that time I think last year the last time we did this um >> healthare was >> yep it was housing health and then food >> um >> you know and one of the things that we're always trying to do and focus on is what are what are gaps out there what are people needing where and and um always open to hear about those where you know what to needed and so you know I turn to the counties and say hey is there stuff out there that's not being that people are getting and is that something a little less our agency can help though nothing's been brought to my attention that oh this is something we need to do different I think there's a lot of folks doing a lot of good things uh we're always have an eye on duplication of services I don't like being doing things that other people are doing um some of the things that we have been doing since day one for six years other people are now doing as well. So there are some duplications and that's fine but you know we really try to stay focused on our core areas of what we do and that was pointed out earlier. So really trying to stay true with that. Um but at the same time being flexible and nimble that when things come up in the community and there's something like this school um reached out, you know, be able to have that ability to to say, "Yeah, we can help out at a time of need." And really proud of what we've done with the schools to get this done this these last couple months. Um so community needs assessment, it's available if anybody wants to see it. It's on our website. >> It's in the packet. It's all there for. >> All right. Well, thank you guys for supporting us through all this. Thank you for all the good work you're doing. >> We have questions or comments from anybody. >> I know we're way behind time, but I would just, you know, I could just um I serve on the board on the cap board for our board. So, if there's questions, you can talk to me. I mean, I look at the dollars even though Jeff and Jackie did a great overview of the agency. We we only support some of those programs through contract. And I was just asking Leslie, I think the board has some decision on these contracts, but there's not any levy dollars even in these contracts. Is that true? >> I don't. >> Yeah, I'm not seeing any. >> Yeah, I don't see any. >> Yeah, we um >> I think it's good to know it's FH, >> right? Yeah. And you know, and I think we've had the good fortune due to Tanya and Peter being able to apply for different state grants that even when we look at the operation of the of Hope's portage that we've had LAA and then we also um there's some additional state funding that they're able to use. So, um I know like Danny gets braided funding, but it really is like the ability to get all of that done and make our dollars stretch further. But yeah, we we aren't using any levy dollars for any of these. >> Just just a fact. I think we should. So, thank you. >> Yeah, quick question on the you talked about the was it the unwritten rule of territory. I mean, that was also from I don't was a toone or a novel or one of the of Tom Wolf. Um, some of the things we talk about and you talked about duplication, food, insecurity, food drives, food giveaways, all of that food stuff. Um, how do you navigate that? And I don't I know there's always duplication. You know, you're never going to get away from that, but not like serving as many people that need need it versus serving some of the same people multiple times through multiple agencies. And I mean, I know it's always one of those things you had to deal with. I was just curious. I It was just funny the unwritten rule of like, hey, guess my church. >> Well, it it's unwritten, but there's also an expectation from Second Harvest that if you want to be if you want to um do food um shelves in a community, somebody else is doing it, you need to get the permission from that provider. >> There um so, so it's kind of like because they're the provider for so many food shelves and food distribution, right? So, second harvest. So, you're going to them and they're trying to do what we're just talking about, like making sure it's as many people are served as possible versus >> serving the same person 10 times and they may only need it once or twice. >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's so it's that >> it's really hard to control that. >> Sure. Yeah. >> It's frustrating because we know that people are are jumping going and >> Sure. There's no system that talks to each other says that they won't let us do that and or else they'll take away the free food. >> It's really difficult. Yeah. I I was just more curious and I know it's how do you 100% manage how organizations you can I was just curious that makes sense with and then the community needs assessment. I mean housing, you know, oh we need rent and mortgage payments. I mean that's going to take a lot of dough right quick, right? Um >> yeah and it es and flows but that's probably one of the ones that remains one or two depending upon your and through all different types of times and always contend the collective we government not necessarily the county state and federal make it really hard for people to live >> at all different levels and require so much more for people um so managing that is a big deal and the last question is I'm sure a lot of these you know all of the different slides it uh maybe fall into different categories, but how do you keep so many of these balls in the air and you know maintain a not integrity I don't want that's the wrong word um high levels of service or success in each of those different categories and there's so many categories that's what say >> well I think we have really quality staff people are doing folks in leadership have been with us for a very long times and people understand the roles and responsibilities. You know, housing operates as one unit and um they focus only on housing, right? And and our job my job is to I'm I'm on, you know, kind of on a little bit higher level trying to make sure things are the budget well that we're working on some things. Jackie then um you know, her job is to to work with the directors and the leaders of those programs. How it works, it's it just does. it really has for 60 years. Um, I think we do really good work. I think each and every one of these programs that we do um, excels at what they do. I don't think anybody does it better than C. Um, I think probably some bias for sure, but uh, >> who would expect and hope for that? >> Yeah. And so I it's it's really worked. you know, we've been doing it for a really long time and we know our community partners and we have great relationships with those folks and and hopefully when things aren't going well, we hear about it, we collaborate, we fix it, and but there's it's a it's just really giving people what they need to do their job. It's hard right now in housing uh because our grants continually don't support the salaries that we have and so folks are we've got three people leaving right now in housing because they found jobs that are you know that are paying and you know we've been struggling this for a couple weeks. What do we do? How come we hate, you know, people are expensive? So, but housing has more turnover than probably the other department just because of it's a stepping. So, my guess is there's people who work in your county started and um that's just part of the way that game is. I think we >> Yes. >> Um in terms of how we manage it all, I would say u we have people in different levels. So that's our working directly with clients really well at the work that they're doing. We have um important finance and admin um in place to be able to make sure we're following the grants financially. Um we have over 50 grants within the agency. So um myself, Susie, and Holly are all I guess the grant managers where we're making sure we're abiding by all of those rules and requirements. >> Good enough. I was just curious. >> Yeah, there's a lot going on. Thank you. We're uh going to move on here, but thank you for all your good work. >> Thank you guys. Appreciate that. >> Tom Wolf is he's not here, so I can see it. He's threatened me and saying that if we go past a certain time, he's going to have to order pineapple pizza. >> Pineapple. >> But actually, I think we had have a procedure here. We had have a time commissioner that talks about one of us has to buy lunch. >> Okay. We're leaving. >> I'm sorry. That was good. >> Thanks for coming. Appreciate it. >> So, we're on for uh the extension. University Minnesota extension is up. >> Any one of those? >> Not friendly. Friendly. All right, >> you can just jump in. Start talking to us about what extension does. >> All right. Well, thank you so much for the opportunity to be here, Mr. Chair. >> Commissioner. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Jump right in. Let's go. >> All right. >> Oh, well, wait. You want to pause just a minute now that we've got three. It's not >> your breath and just we'll wait for them to come back. I wondered when you paused and said that I love >> too late. You were threatening to buy pineapple. I thought you were buying. >> No, >> that's what I heard responsible. Oh, hoping to make it worse. You know, that might make it better. You know, pineapple juice to make. If you ever go to Italy, order pineapple pizza and tell me how it goes. They'll be like flying out the window. >> Well, now I can do plural. >> We're We're close. >> We got four. We're good. Go ahead. Yeah. >> Good morning, Mr. Chair, commissioners, and uh members of leadership. It's a pleasure to be here. My name is Tammy McCulla. I'm the University of Minnesota Extension Regional Director that has the opportunity to work with Scott County. As you know, extension, the University of Minnesota extension is here as your resource and your connection to your land grant institution and the opportunity for us to work in counties is really critical so that we can uh provide the resources and unbiased uh information where people live, work, and play. So today I'm just going to talk a little bit about some of the impact over the past year as well as extend appreciation for this partnership. So why partner with University of Minnesota Extension? Well, one uh we're established across the state. So we have presence in every county in Minnesota. We have a diversified funding structure in that includes county government but also includes federal and state dollars. Uh we have county management committees that are appointed by the county boards to guide program development and also be accountable to our funds that are sourced from from the counties. We are accessible and uh have a well-maintained website for broad outreach and answer lines that are available regardless of where you live in the state for both household questions but also farm and garden questions and backyard questions. uh and we have high quality researchbased educational techniques and we're that trusted source. Uh in a time when AI and Google searches are rampant, uh the University of Minnesota goes back to the research and provides the right information at the right time. So, as you can see, I showed this slide last year, but we are intentional about how we connect with the county and we want to ensure that we're aligning with the county priorities and our portfolio for Scott County is 2.4 FTE. As you know, we have a relationship with Carver County and so you have uh three positions that are shared across both counties. Your 4 youth development position is 1FT. It has its own identity at Scott County 4. And then we have a financial capability extension educator by the name of Sam Roth. Uh egg production systems, Colleen Carlson, and the master gardener volunteer program which is led by a coordinator by the name of uh Christy uh Mach. And next slide. All right. Right. So for the 4 youth development program in the last year, so the 4 year runs along kind of the school year calendar, we had 310 young people enrolled in 10 for age clubs and 112 first year voters, which was an increase from the prior year of about 15%. We had almost 100 trained student hearing adults that worked alongside our young people. Something that we're proud of in looking at is our retention. So, we know that young people and their families have a lot of choices in youth programming and what they want to participate in. And the the fact that we have 72% of our young people returning is a really high retention rate. In addition, we know that our young people do an impact survey every summer and our Scott County 4 youth indicated that they felt that they've made an impact across um across their community or in their community. And some of the quotes there I think are really uh critical in that they say they learned how to work with older club members and lead younger ones. that perfection takes time and practice and hard work. Uh, and also that they help kids know that their ideas count and matter. And I think those statements in particular resonate with what we want future leaders to aspire to. The next slide shows our retention data uh as compared to the state retention data. So you can see that SC county is actually exceeding what the state is doing in retention. So we have a good I what I would say a a customer service practice. So next slide. This is what uh I would say Caitlyn the extension educator that works with for youth development has developed as far as program goals for this year. And more than likely these will carry over into 2027 as well. But ultimately we have a goal for programming, for growth, and for retention. And so for programming, what you're going to see in uh 2026 is an expanded leasing model for the swine and the llama projects. So kids who maybe don't have access to animals or land are able to experience those project areas and learn the responsibility of caring for an animal and the husbandry around that. There is a discover 4 series that is being piloted statewide and there's three different curriculum that go with that and we're actually going to be piloting that with Scott County and uh it's geared towards homeschool families. So create it's aligned with the standards and so creating opportunities for other families to participate in 4 uh or draw them to 4 as a as a learning experience. There have been several sewing camps that have been offered in partnership with the library uh the county ambassador program. We just had young people participate in a project poll where they learn a lot of knowledge about specific species and are tested on that knowledge and work as a team. And then of course the arts and program where young people craft or draft a theater uh production and then perform it. And then they're doing a great partnership between Carver and Scott County to offer a day camp on budding naturalists and uh also an overnight forage camp experience. In the area of outreach, our partnerships continue with the library and of course the egg society to be able to offer a showcase experience for young people to demonstrate what they learned in a project area. And then under youth leadership, uh, Caitlyn has worked really hard to grow what would be called like the 4 ambassador program, which is for kids in middle to high school, so that we can continue to retain those young people as they grow in the 4 program and have other challenging experiences and then getting them involved in some of the regional learning opportunities or statewide learning opportunities so that they can network with other youth forage youth from across the state. Next slide. Here are just some images from the past year of young people participating in a leadership opportunity on a regional level, state level, and then also our shooting sports and wildlife program, which is always a draw, but over 90 youth have participated in a program where we implemented at the scale facility. in the area of financial capability. Like I said, we have a halftime extension educator that works in this um this area. And in 2025, she provided 16 residents with 24 sessions. Uh in addition, she had 236 participants that provided or participated in financial education classes. She retained 100% of her past program partners and uh initiated four new partnerships in the counties. And one of the things she has been evaluating is just how many of her participants are not only drafting a budget but are implementing a budget. and she shared a story about a Veggie RX participant who saw the financial counseling opportunity and I believe pursued the help through the uh family resource center and was able to get some support um in regards to a collection notice that they had received. And in the participants, uh, they created reduced stress and they actually had a plan for implementation versus probably dodging that letter. So Sam's goals are to broaden her youth programming and I just got exchanged actually this week about doing an uh financial education class with the libraries but also thinking about parks and ECF and then continuing to to build more relationships. So we are open to opportunities and suggestions in the area of youth uh outreach when it comes to financial education. We know that there is now high school um requirements for financial education, but just yesterday we were talking about catching those young people earlier in their pathway to understanding how they how they work with money. And then year-to- date success. Uh Sam has been successful connecting with Hopees Portage and Alice Min Ministries and uh was also successful in receiving a grant with UMass and uh being able to do some education at the Scott County Fair. And just for your reference, UMass is the Upper Midwest egg safety and health center. Uh Sam is a part of both the health improvement committee here in Scott County but also in Carver County. >> Mr. Chair, >> yes. >> I know we're gonna we're already short on time, so I just wanted to plug in a couple things here. I I think with I'm really glad she's connected with the folks at Hopes Portage and Alos because I think the investments we've made in that transitional housing, we're hoping people are going to, you know, stabilize, be able to move out into other housing. and I think that she could be very helpful in that. So, it'd be it'd be nice to see some, you know, even some data or some progress around that as f as families are moving into Hope Sportage. You know, I I I know I don't know if we can have a requirement, but yeah, that that they get some financial counseling that they develop a budget to see how that that works. that I think that could be a a really important role that helps us all meet meet the goals of families eventually moving on to better housing. >> I believe when I looked at our calendar, there was a training set with the staff >> this month. Yeah, >> that was rescheduled for a few other reasons, but yeah, so something's on the schedule. >> Dr. word is that in my you know their agreement when they come in there is you know there's a time frame expectation and things that they have to do to live there is a financial background and support training is that part of it >> when they're sitting down and making a plan. Yep. >> There you go. >> All right. So Sam also provided this slide to just talk about how specific work that she's doing aligns with the county priorities of safe health and livable. You know, some of the things she's doing with the family resource center, new beginnings, the JAF, um as well as Veggie RX heading home. Um so you can see she's connected with Southern Valley Alliance. But again, if there's more opportunities that you know of for her to provide some of the direct counseling or classes, she's very open to those partnerships and also has experience not only with youth programming but also with elder programming and and protecting vulnerable adults as well. I was just curious and maybe this is a little off left field but all these school districts have their community education catalogs and you always >> do you offer classes through those? >> We often do. Uh I think we could do more of that. The tricky part with uh community ed is sometimes there's a fee structure applied to it because they have to have a fee in order to implement and and promote the program. So we try to offer our programs at no cost and that's where we get maybe sometimes in a struggle with community ed >> but we are open to those types of partnerships. >> I think we got a page coming up there's even a tibbit from the Jordan K. >> Yeah. Yeah. For master gardeners often will do their they have you know their speakers bureau. So they often work with community ed because they have a lot of package classes for for those individuals that want to learn about different topics. So in the area of agriculture and natural resources, uh Colleen Carlson is an extension educator that works halftime in Scott County on this topic. She has addressed o inquiries, technical inquiries on different farm related, agriculture related topics. She had 22 unique agricultural programs for residents in 2025. So many different topics. Uh there's a great video and article that talks about a lamming and kitting workshop that she just did in Scott County and uh worked alongside our extension veterinarian Dr. Barnum to to do that. They actually brought in a a a full scale view that you could see how you would kid different lamb sorry lamb different um twins triplets of um sheep. So pretty cool hands-on activity. You can watch the video more. Uh so Colleen is very successful in collaborating with uh partners in the county FSA planning and zoning scale uh with watershed districts but she also is great about getting collaboration with the corn and soybean growers uh the cattleman association farm bureau um farmers union and she uses those to leverage funding so that she can offer programs at no And uh Colleen shared a a testament of one of her participants and being able to secure a grant application for extreme weather. So her goals uh would be to implement hands-on educational programming uh but also looking at best management practices for farming and and tracking and evaluating impacts. So, as you can see, I'm sharing much more data from Colleen as far as the number of inquiries she's getting for technical assistance. That means those growers or those producers are going to her to ask those questions and get reliable information. Uh, in addition to the number of programming she's programs she's offering are are spe special and specific to Scott County residents. Uh, and like she already mentioned, the lamming and kitting workshop. There's a there's a picture of that in the photos, but Colleen also has a lot of uh knowledge on poultry operations and has provided a lot of backyard chicken education as well. And then she has been a part of a farmers market survey which has been taking place in Scott County and Carver County. Next slide. And master gardener program there are 187 volunteers that work across both Carver and Scott counties. They donated 3,600 pounds of produce to area food shelves. Um for Scott County alone, that was 1,900 pounds of produce, which is impressive. uh they offered uh many programs and events in Scott County and uh volunteered 7,000 215 hours in the last year and have had a lot of contacters. They have 30 incoming interns. To my knowledge, that is maybe the largest cohort we've had of incoming interns. And just so you know, those individuals uh pay a fee to participate in the core course through the University of Minnesota. and they're given uh a a classroom structure that is very very similar to a college credit course um that covers all topics from yards to um turf to trees to also community partnerships like how do you work in community? How do you work alongside community? Um, and if anybody is better off, uh, you could see that we are those volunteers are providing a community value of $275,324. And just so you know, both for the 4 program and the master gardener program, all of the revenue so that they can do the work in the community is generated by the volunteers in in their fundraising efforts. So they operate with a budget that is independent from the county and is um is stewarded by the University of Minnesota. So I just want to be clear that county dollars do not support their programming in community. They're doing all that effort um to do that revenue generation on their own and to be able to offer programs at no cost. And then the master gardener volunteers have many partners. uh the list I feel like the font is getting smaller and smaller >> and uh that is because Christy is working to make sure that that is growing and that we're a reliable resource to uh different county organizations and schools. And you can see uh Chrissy does a great job of having the volunteers when they enter their hours or when she looks at the partnerships to figure out which of the priorities of the master gardener program they're addressing. So you can see, you know, horiculture knowledge, answering those questions at farmers markets is something that master gardener volunteers do, but they also work in water quality, pollinator um health, uh plant biodiversity. So, they're addressing a lot of different topics and you can see what they're addressing with their priority by chart. And here are some great images of the master gardeners hard at work uh both at elementary schools. Uh they are very engaged in community gardens on site uh as well as the rain garden uh implementation at the Scott County Fairgrounds. And then here's some more images of the teaching garden but also the seed library kickoff with the library partnership. And here is like Commissioner uh Weman Brekie said, there's a nice article from Jordan Community Ed there about a of course that they're offer they offer, but also they were featured in the annual statewide master gardener report for their work. Um, and then something to note is that the Scott County ship program supported a a enhancement to the garden at the Scott County Extension Conservation Center. And this lovely slide just talks about uh some of the library classes that the volunteers initiated during the pandemic and have continued to do both uh some in person and some online and I don't know of any master gardener program across the state that still is generating those types of numbers and attendance. And that's the number of people that are actually showing up at the the webinars that are actually live. You know, a lot of people are ambitious and they sign up for things and and maybe don't actually attend, but these are the people that are are coming online or attending in person to see these events and to learn. All right. And so lastly, I just want to highlight the memorandum of agreement, which is what we have in place through 2027. And so we have a three-year memorandum agreement between University of Minnesota and Scott County to implement this local portfolio and all of the work of extension is really about relationships. And so thus uh bulk of our extension budget uh is about this memorandum of agreement in addition to the administrative support that we received from Sydney and the extension office but also the office infrastructure and just being able to um to do the quality work that we do out of the Scott County Extension and Conservation Center. So this contract has been uniform statewide since 2004. And uh the package price that we have, it includes all of the salary, fringe benefits, and professional development supervision oversight for our local programs. So, um the program continues. If there's a vacancy, we continue to implement the work um to be able to support the county. And by having the local memorandum of agreement, you should see the benefit of seeing regional or statewide educators participate in programs or implement programs in Scott County. The lamming and kidding workshop would be one of those uh opportunities that brings in a statewide specialist and expertise. And then the next slide provides just what that contract looks like in regards to uh the cost. So from 2026 to 2027 there's a 3% increase. Um and then our county extension committee which I mentioned early in this presentation. Uh we have two county commissioners uh the county auditor or their deputy which is uh gentle and then six appointed community members and two representatives. I'd like to acknowledge those people who dedicate their time to the committee and the committee has taken it upon themselves to set some goals. Uh one is to promote extension programs that public value uh an advocacy role. And then lastly to understand and be accountable to um the extension staff and the goals that they set out because every year the extension committee has the responsibility of giving feedback on the programming that was implemented in the county as well as me the regional director. So, with that, I'll just pause and ask if there's any questions and extend my appreciation for the work that we're able to do in Scott County as a result of that partnership. >> Mer questions. >> I would just say I really like to see the increase in number of programs. I think over the last couple years, especially in financial utility and everything, it's it's some a lot of programs. >> Yeah. And I I guess I I like the idea of seeing more of this this partnership, not only here, but what you guys are doing beyond with like the idea portage there. I know there's been some chitchat about I don't know Sam specifically or some of your folks helping out maybe with fish or other other things. Um try to have a little more prospective for everybody. um expanded reach which we're wanting. Uh so I like that. I think that's an either feels newer or just more aware for myself. So I like I like that. So that's what that's going. Willing to be willing not just you but takes everybody. >> I've had a thought that related to all the presentations and I'll I'll mention it here because triggered more here is this. These presentations are kind of a report on what what you're doing and what the other organizations are doing. You were to slightly modify this and and do a presentation of how can we be engaged with extension or how can we engage with the other presenters so far. It seems to me it would be a great presentation, you know, fish, you know, uh how can we be engaged with and have that be the nature of the presentation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Oh, so >> any commercials or something? >> Thank you for your excellent work. Any more comments? >> Thank you very much. Excellent. I appreciate your time and would be open to that conversation with Kale if this >> Well, Commissioner Brekie brought up a couple conversations at the last exec, but we'll bring it up at the next exec meeting that Commissioner and Commissioner Beer had. So, we'll get it on there. >> Okay, great. Well, thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> We're on to Is it Do we need a break or we kind of already take break? Let's do historical and then take a couple minute break. >> She's bringing them in right now. I can't see this guy without wanting a a Reuben, right? Bring one. I know. And I'm hungry. I couldn't take it if you did, but I just I can smell the smoke. Kicking, right? Yep. That's a hot hot seat. The nice seat cover. >> And then if I have little >> Great. >> Yep. Just pass them around. >> Welcome. We're thankful you're here. Um you can start. Just introduce yourselves and have at it. >> I'm I'm doing awesome. >> My name is Scott O'Brien. I am a volunteer. I'm going to stop coming. >> I'm going to add some color at the end of the presentation. I'm a director and creator one show. Okay. So, we are this is our building. Um, so we've been open since 1995. We're a public team part of downtown Chaki. We're an ADA accessible building with a variety of historical and cultural exhibits and programming. Um our mission is to search, save, and share the history and cultural heritage of Scott County. Um in the fall of 2024, we switched from an admission based policy, so feebased policy to a donation based and we saw a 30% increase in visitation. So y'all I know you're very number based people. So I wanted to point that out. Um we also have an outdoor garden space which is a public garden in John. Um we run it with the University of Minnesota extension program. >> Very grateful because I kill airplants. So they come every year. They're going to start May 5th. Um they do a program where they have like vegetables. So come out there and then they bring it right on. >> So this our research library besides exhibits the research library is probably the thing that gets most used. Um you can either come in and do your research or we do research requests. So sometimes people are like looking for the obituary of this specific person or I want to learn about a meat market that existed in Bell Plane. >> Um so we charge $15 an hour if it's just a broad type of thing. Um he brought in $1,610 last year which is almost double from the 880 that was in 365. So that's definitely a growing thing. We have plat maps, we have everything. Well, we have newspapers that are microfilmed. So, like obituaries, we have flat file maps, church records, town histories, family histories. So, it's a great resource. >> Has the cost increased for the research request or is that through volume? >> Just volume. >> But if you come in and do it on your own, then it's free. I get you started and then I just sit my work and then I feel like you're staring at me. So, um the big thing that people come in for is exhibits. Feel like that's the fun thing. So, right now we have Scott County play. That'll be for two to three more weeks. And then our next thing is Valley Fair going to be celebrating the 50th anniversary. That'll open Memorial Day weekend. only be open until November, December because that's what Valley Bear wants and they are wanting us their items. So go with what they want. Um we have the Morice stands gallery because he built the museum so he gets a gallery. Um we have people and places which is photographs that switches once a year and then we have like a in our museum we have like a tiled lobby area which we usually feature for artists. I think this year kind of switch it park. We got a large donation from the family that own park and everybody knows apparently that we have a lot of their film and photographs that >> question on on stance. Is it is that a permanent requirement that they maintain something in there for more stance? >> No, we just haven't which we sold the house in October. We haven't like separated that yet. attorney to just kind of slowly do that. My family is still >> okay. >> And it's just me right now as a staff person. >> I think the organization did some work a couple years ago to especially with the sale of the house to separate those requirements and and sunset sunset those. But the goal is to have it would be nice to have like that gallery be a gallery of the history of Scott County because right now there's nothing that's specifically the history of Scott County. So for time that will be a little gallery about Scott County if that makes sense. But right now it's just stands. >> Okay. >> The whole museum used to be about Murray stands and now it's just one gall. >> I get it. What is the square footage of the the this display space that you could theoretically have? Not talking about downstairs or but just the >> main floor 100. >> Um okay. So in 2025 we had three or four staff help us with cataloging and research because we constantly are getting donations. is the season. Garage sale season is always the time when we get the calls. They last week I got a do you want a collection of 1957 encyclopedias. It is missing one volume. I don't want any encyclopedias. >> How about the history of Beanie Babies? I could really viewers. Sorry. Um yeah. So just a second. I'm ready. Okay. So when we get our things, we also have to store them in boxes. So currently, as of whenever I made this, we have 53,83 items donated and cataloged in our system. So there are things that we have that have been donated but not cataloged yet in our system. It's 42,463 images. So those are photos or postcards. 3,65 documents, 1229 books, 198 audio, so like oral histories or films other than stands. Um, 4,683 objects, 3D objects. So everything can replace everything in its place. You also have to pay for the boxes and the storage. So I'm not afraid to say no storage situation. Um, you can go to the next slide. So, one unique thing about this is that if you are in Kentucky, say, you have family, you can see all of the photos that we have in our collection online. So, our whole collection is visible online. The thing on the right is an example of a blueprint of the county courthouse expansion from 198. Um, on the left is a example of some of the photographs. So you can click on the image, you can see what it is, when it was made, and a description. So I like to always point that out. You can see all of our collection is online. Programming. The other thing, these are some of the programs that we held in 2025. Presentations on and off site. We have the big picture is our event space in the room. And then we did a member field trip at Jordan Historic Caves. And then we did a presentation at Nana Brewing. And then things that we have planned for so far include well we've held um a joint program with the library called night at the museum. Tomorrow we're going to do an R&D and RMD and planned giving session. Um we're doing a trivia event that I'm going to a meeting to plan at 1:00 today. Um, we're doing a saving our stuff program with a conservator from Minnesota Historical Society. We're doing a scavenger hunt with the American Legion for the 250th. I have Bill Nevin who's going to give a presentation on August 2nd. Going to do a puzzle contest and then a festival fundraising and more. That's what I Okay. Um, sorry I talk really fast and I get nervous and then I read what we do. So we are a place to volunteer. It's a welcoming place for students, retirees community. 2024 we had 588 hours of volunteers. In 2025 we grew that to 83. I just had three whenever the scene whenever the scene goes out we always get like a good burst of like volunteers. >> Oh good. >> So that is super helpful. Um we have three strong volunteers. I mean every strong but like a woman who was like I just retired from Carville and I'm looking for something to do. My gosh, you know how to use a computer and like data entry and this is perfect. So she started she was there at 9:30 when I left here. Um and we had two other that I trained in the collective access program. Good to go. Perfect. Our backlog. Um and I have another guy that just started in really that. That's great. Um and then our educational resource as you know with budget cuts we don't know field trips are down like I think we had one field trip last year and it was a Catholic school um which is fine but we used to get many more field trips instead we're pushing the education comps which um basically it's like a museum in a box and they're grade specific they like Minnesota standard approved I don't know, but the school approves what we're doing, so they hit their standards. Um, so there's kindergarten, one that's first and second grade, one that's third through fifth, one that's six through eight, and then two that are sixth through 12. So they're $20 a week. We've already done seven so far this year, and then I have, I think, three that are already planned in the next month or so. But we've already hit our like budgeted goal because last year we did. So those are going really well. Um we have day share that's planned for July for three days and then a school from like Roseville that's coming in August. That's all I have and Scott will talk next. >> Okay. Great. Thank you. Um, I think it's important for for us to um, sure and other folks in the room that the museum is run on a very tight budget. We're very mindful and very good stewards of generous financial um, help that we received from the county. Our budget this year is somewhere around $150,000. Um, so it's a tight shift. I mean, we have a volunteer who paid to have the lawn mower all last year. And so, basically, our only expenses are Lindsay and then um boxes and heating and cooling and you know the physical plant within the building. So, where there's about 400 I would say square feet of um ex not exhibits butformational and research related items in the back. So we have about 1,200 I'm just guessing about 1,200 square feet of display space and then you can enter which is open to the public as well the back area and do your research. Um so what the board did last year and I can pass these out as well. I only have 11 copies, but what we did was we decided that we'd come up with a more um defined action plan and make a commitment to that that you know, we we made we had proceeds come out of the house that we sold, right? So, those aren't an Edward Jones account. Um we had some other monies set aside um prior to me joining the board. That's also an influence of health. But the board made the commitment to say, "Well, we're going to cover if the county's generous enough to participate again this year." And the board will make the commitment to cover up to the top of the budget, so to speak, to make sure that that we're not dipping into our our savings, keep the So, we've come up with a a fundraising and financial sustainability strategic plan. And I'm not going to I'll I'll pass it around. Um, you know, part of the commitment I make from the historical society board, I've been a member, how long have I been on the board? A year from >> as my secretary. So, I'm really into the organization. Um, hasn't always been maybe so focused on the fiscal side of things. It's more historical. What's what's the mission? It's to teach people. was to preserve the artifacts. It's it's to get students in there. Well, we all know all those things cost money. Um, keeping things open cost money. Um, although most of it is is that that money comes from or that keeping it open comes from volunteers. It's mostly staffed by volunteers. So, we made a commitment to um cover our share of the proposed budget in addition to what perhaps we received from from the county. So, we've got a couple initiatives already. Um one of them historical wall. So, what would you call them? >> Donor wall. Thank you. So, we're selling bricks on the donor wall. But the important thing is when you go out and and if I'm going to sell you a brick on a donor wall, what's what are you getting for it? Right? So, we're we're we're finishing the the crafting of the message so that when we talk to somebody, there's value there for otherwise people are like, "Just got to hit me up for 2500 bucks. I get my name on the wall. That's it." Not that I don't I think most people aren't wanting to have their name on the wall because they want their name on the wall. They want to know, am I providing value for this organization? What am I getting for my $2,500 or my $1,000 or my $500? So, we're finishing up that message. My opinion on those sorts of messages is keep it short. It should be a one-page presentation. Most of the people that are going to donate that money to are used to being hit up from not hit up. Let's face it, that's kind of what happens, right Barb? So, our commissioner, uh, so they're used to reading just a one-page blurb and saying, "Okay, this is what I'm getting for my for my $500, my $1,000, my $25,500." So, it's really important, I think, to have that mission and that statement and that value proposition come out initially for these folks so that they understand if they participate what it is they're participating. So, that's what the board is concentrating on right now is crafting them. I mean, for me, I I love the history. So, it's an easy sale, but you know, you might like sports and you might like something else. So, how do we >> how do we I know you like, but how do we get to that point? So, that's that's what the board's busy doing. We've also got some other initiatives going. Um, and so I I brought 11 of those um strategic plans along. I also brought 11 of these um rappel tickets, which Happy to folks. So, I participated in the Lion or the uh Brainer JC's world's largest ice fishing tournament and I didn't catch one fish. I didn't get one bite, but I entered the raffle three times and I won the grand prize. >> Come on, this guy, right? Yeah. So, I just put my name on there. I just put OB in my phone number and I was fishing later on in the day with the buddy. He's like, "Is this your name?" I go, "Yeah, that's me." He goes, "You won the grand prize." I'm like, "Oh, good." So then I donated it. It's an ice castle. I donated to the the factory lines under the offices that if we sell 500 raffle tickets at $100 a piece, a quarter of the money goes to the historical society. So the historical society is 12,500. Hospital foundation gets qualified and then the Lions gets the rest because the value of bishops is >> So are you going to enter? I'm not going to end, >> right? Um and or 10,000. I I did switch it up since we last spoke. So, it's 20 grand in cash or the ice house. You can take either one because we didn't know how many people would want to especially at the end of the season want to buy ticket for an ice house when the ice is going out and people are thinking about other things. Anyhow, those are some of the initiatives I think that we're we're we're looking to do. And I think we're also willing to make a commitment to the county through some type ofou or contract similar to I think what the other organizations that are involved in some similar circumstances to us are willing to do is that says we're willing to make a commitment. Let's set some parameters and let's come to an agreement on what it is. follow through with it and we'll see you'll see more visibility from us and I think our message is gonna you know better. >> So Mr. comments if I could. I I think it is really important to determine what is your core mission, what is your core activities that you're engaged in because it does seem to me that different historical societies must have a different view of of what they're all about. Give me an example. Uh historical society has very limited hours that they're open. I think it's like 12 hours a week, but they do a lots of programs. I I and they're very compelling, very interesting. I drove over for a couple like the history of Southdale. They had a big they had the history of hockey and eat it and they were fabulous presentations. They were well attended. I mean, and they, you know, they they have very limited. So their their focus must be more on community engagement, presenting the history to the community and drawing the community in rather than research or a place where you can find your grandpa's picture or something. I I don't know. So okay, that's one history. The other one that I'm familiar with is Bloomington Historical Society where they don't get any money. They get free space in their fancy blooms in city hall and for that they required to have eight programs a year and so the ones kind of things I just mentioned they got to come up with eight programs to gauge the community tell the draws the a year so why that's why I say it's important to know they must have some of them must have different I mean if you're wide open hours and had limited staff and you were mostly about allowing people to research past history. That's a that's a different look at the mission of the historical. So, I I don't know where you're at, but I'm I like to engage the community and present the history. I could come up with 10 ideas >> by the end of the day, >> but no, I don't want we did meet with Johnny and >> Okay. And we actually had a discussion and we brought a draftou which I think they've got some comments for Jake here they want to bring back. But we we did kind of propose for the county's engagement and funding maybe reducing the hours and freeing, you know, we've heard Lindsay say she's one person several times today. You know, freeing her up to do more programming and those types of things and not be so worried. And if somebody wants to do research, maybe they make an appointment to come in or whatever it is. But we are having that discussion with them. >> And I do know for example like I'll just keep the the hockey history hockey. I know for sure the the uh staff on the historical society did not put that to they engaged the hockey team. I mean a couple leaders in that did probably the whole thing. So I don't know. It's just I just want to throw that. Go ahead. I did I interrupt? >> No, no, no. I was just saying we have had those discussions. >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks, Lindsay and Scott. Um, either of you had the burden of um, serving with me when I was on the board. So, I'm going to say something that I think is really important and at least um, important to me from a county perspective as a continued sponsor of the society is the Scott County Historical Society didn't start in 95 like it says on this slide. It started in the 60s. The Scott County Historical Society is not a museum. It's the historical society. And I think over the years, we've narrowed it to a museum, which a museum is a great part of it. And but especially with all the connections to the Stans family, all that went along with that. There's some people who would see this since 1995 public museum, they're like, well, I hate that Stans guy. I don't like how that went. And then that colors their whole perspective of the historical society. So, I really would encourage all of us to talk about the Scott County Historical Society, not the museum, and to talk about it starting in the 1960s and that history and richness of all that. So, as you're gearing up for this fundraising and and additional community engagement, again, it's been some years since I've been on the board, so I haven't um uh talked about that for a while, but I really hope that happens because I think we've lost some supporters because of the emphasis on just the museum. Not that the museum's bad, but there were too many boards in too many years where that was the whole focus of a much greater, broader organization. Get out in the county. You're saying not just get out in the county. >> Get out the county. Yeah. And talk about the the richness of the organization. The mission is a good mission. It sound it's search, save, and share the history. Do the mission, not do a museum. >> Just what John's saying too. Yeah. Commissioner John's group alluding to and that is through our discussions with Leslie and Jake. It's reducing the hours. Volunteers only have so much capacity for the most part, right? And you only have so many volunteers. So if we reduce the amount of hours now we can say to those volunteers what sort of project should we work on that we can bring down to the city of Bell Plane and talk to them about something in Bell or Prior Lake or Jordan. So that's part of what we're doing is just shifting the focus a little bit so that we're not so museum centric and that we're more program not program but we're we're we got pass >> and I love that because all of our communities have very vibrant local historical societies that are doing really good programming and there's other probably other additions of the Scott County Historical Society can partner and and do with them to make it great for everybody. So, we should be operate. I feel like there's almost some territory and competition going on with local historical societies and Scott County Historical Society and that shouldn't we all on the same team here, same mission. Yeah, we we even had a discussion on 169 and could we do I mean nothing has altered the history of Scott County more than that bridge and the bypass and how does Lindsay have time to put something together that you could put in some cases that you could move from the courthouse to the Bell Plane Library or city hall. And so we had some of those discussions with board as well that you know the county could step up by a couple traveling cases or something you know that then be able to show some. So >> yeah, I I is this I want to say this is your second year, but it's it's been more than that, right? When >> um >> is it >> two and a quarter? >> Okay. Okay. So was So was that our I think one of our last budget meetings or whatever where didn't you come from like 218 country or something? >> Um and you came down like oh a nice breath of fresh air and here you are still two and a quarter years. That's pretty good record for historical society. Um, and I think it was always one of these things and and I I don't want to seem like um, you know, how the doer of deeds could have done them better, but past folks, words, and otherwise have been uninspiring. And I don't and I don't mean that to be negative, just truthful. Um, so just kind of like a honey like, but now I feel like with you two, there's potential. there's potential here. Um, >> yeah, I want to say that I think I've enjoyed I've been there a couple times now and it's been a willingness in a discussion in like a partnership. How do we make it better together and you know Jen Schultz had many ideas from how the library could support and partner and Michael I think is maybe here because of that. Um, and so I think there's some opportunity opportunity >> to be more inspirational. >> Yes. and and collaborate with others. And um there's plenty of spaces to expand this not museum but >> and you're buying a raffle ticket, right? >> Got my money out. I'm ready to buy one. I don't know. >> One of the convers >> one of the conversations was always on the state of the building. You know, we we are doing a lot of work to maintain the building. Is that being addressed? And I know that there's some issues with doors. I'll address that. I sort of taken all the maintenance on the building because I don't have any else, but we replaced was it the water stopper system? A donor paid for that. I was able to find a donor that would pay for that. And then um some of the other things that are smaller, I own the building across the street, so I'm down there. And when Lindsay needs something that's smaller fixed, then I just try and fix it. rather than call somebody for $75 or $100 trip charge just fix it. But we are addressing and we've been in a long-term contract on our Hback that we're this is our last year in that contract. We don't want to fight get out of a contract more. So those are the some of thing some of the things I think if you have a board you only need one woman or one man on that board that has some sort of rudimentary H I mean just how building operates and they know people that can come fix things you save so much money. So I just that answers your question. There are some things that I'm not going to fix. I've got some electricians that said they'd come down and volunteer their time to help us if we need electric. So, we're leaning into the community that way as well. Folks are willing to ask them. It's not rewiring the whole building. So, it's come to it. >> And it's good because then they buy into the mission and the vision and the I mean, I I think that's great. That's what the board should be doing. So, >> nobody call me though, come fix stuff. >> Cell phone's right here. So, Just out of curiosity, you had a a real hot display there. I mean, really a nice program. How many people could you fit at one time in a nice program? >> A display when people will walk through it or a conversation like a >> display program, you know, or again really limited >> like if it's a seated display like we're all in one presentation at one time. I don't know how you structure it, but I'm just trying to get a sense of I think it's important to create that that there's energy at that place. In other words, there's excitement. There's there's something going on historical society. I want to go over that. If you have a lot of traveling stuff, I don't think you build that kind of I mean, >> so like we did the library thing, we had a presentation, but at the same time, we had different stations going >> talking like that where there's multiple things going. >> Yeah. But could you have 50? >> Yeah, I've been at a bench. Yeah, like 100. Okay, back area where we have >> parking is there to back there. >> Okay. I was just trying to get a sense of how much you could expect to happen in that. >> And if we do, we we have a lot to the north where the gardens are. So, we're talking about doing an event either this summer or early fall, you know, with tents and displaying the garden >> historical related event, you know, out there in that out. >> I think they're coordinating with the master gardeners. >> All right. >> Thank you very much. Thanks for coming to vote. >> Thank you. >> All right. And you said we're going to take a brief little break for a few minutes. Yeah. Box. One ticket. One ticket. >> Okay. I got >> X. >> You know where to find? >> Oh, yes. >> Okay. Good. Good. >> I read the whole thing already. You can change lines. >> Well, these are from the standpoint of mental health. >> Yeah, we have >> lucky me. What's happening? >> I don't think I think it's educational. >> There you go. So many things like >> just bucket list bucket list stuff >> teams. Yep. >> Yeah. No problem. >> Oh yeah. I'm going to go over the way, >> but I'm like, I'll help you guys, right? Like I real. >> Thanks. Thank you. That would be awesome. Thank you. No problem. >> All right. >> It says read only, but I don't think it's to be like, >> are you going to be doing all the talking? have a slider. >> I'll ask you. >> I was there for like a writing workshop. We were up on >> we're kind of in the mountains >> uh along rattles into days of extreme >> the river. Even if I'd wanted to fish, if >> you move to the sides, you get the comfy chairs. It's always beautiful. >> Friday, I think it was 77 or 78. >> And it was warm here was Saturday. >> Saturday. All right. Couple minute warning. >> Who wants my M&M? >> I probably said I was I don't know. >> I didn't. all here. >> That's good. >> I think you can start. We got five submission. Oh >> god. >> One left. >> That's okay. >> We can go without one. He said to go ahead without it. >> Doesn't matter if he said he knows. a second. Oh, wait a minute. $100. >> Yeah, probably. >> I I have a something I'd like to share. Tom, whenever he calls you, I don't know if you know this, he's got a signature line. >> This is the signature line. I just wanted to say good morning and happy Wednesday. >> Oh, no. It missed. It missed the signature one. >> Are you up? >> Did I wake you up? >> Are you up yet? >> Are you up yet? >> Yep. >> Okay. Now, >> now there's five >> now. >> All right. I'll I'll get things going. This is the second workshop this month that we focused on transportation services. You might recall a couple weeks ago the focus was on program delivery and some of our uh communications on that. We got some really good feedback from you. We're coming back today to talk about highway operations. Um next slide. This is the agenda. Want to talk about the highway operations plan. That's a plan that staff does every year getting uh ready for the upcoming maintenance season. So Jill will highlight some of the things from the operations plan. A lot of focus on pavement condition. You know pavement roads is our biggest investment we make in the division and so we really keep a close eye on that pavement condition and then that how how that information ties to some of our road upgrades. Talk through that. Uh the last meeting I know there was some questions about trails and having trails on both sides of the road and and and just talk through that. It's a policy so we're prepared for that. talk about cooperative maintenance and I think we heard too that there might be interest in speed studies so we added that to the list um we'll provide just a little bit of information on that um operations staff in the division there's 24 employees uh that work on uh highway operations of course the last several weeks they've been focused on ice and snow control um but throughout the year do a lot of other work and Joe will get into that a little bit um operating on about a $7.8 million budget. A lot of that comes from state aid. You can see the amounts there. 2 and a.5 million comes from county levy. And then some additional revenue comes in uh for that total. You'll see a lot of these um projects in the tip uh that come through and in your RBAS when we're doing some major maintenance projects, we uh call those out and make sure you remember it tiles ties back to um here's just some fun facts, just some data. Sometimes this data can be nice to have when you're interacting with the public at meetings or open houses or just interacting with our cities and townships. Um, I'm not going to go over each point, but just uh sometimes helpful to know just how many uh lane miles we have out there. How many gravel road miles do we maintain? So you see them out there, bridges, culverts, the whole range of things. All of these assets are tracked and monitored in our asset management system called Cardigraph. And that's an important tool that uh you'll hear about a little bit more. uh using that tool to make sure that uh we're we keep track of our investments in these assets, making sure that uh we're keep uh keeping the work orders tied to those investments. So with that, I believe the next slide I'll turn it over to Joe. Joe, highway operations plan. >> Yeah, good morning. So u as mentioned, we're working on a highway operations plan. Um wasn't quite ready for production today, but we'll be within in the next month or so. Um it's a document that will help us guide decisions um for our 48 different kind county highway routes um little bit of strategic budget development pavement preservation um which will help chronograph businesses with Andy a little later we'll kind of have a small example of that and then um planning for the future scheduling work prioritizing um looking at the past year and what has been done and what's coming into the future. Um, as far as our larger projects, pavement projects, um, what pipes, center line covers or storm sewer work might need to be done of those projects, taking a five to 10 year look ahead for seal coats, some crack seals in our overlays. Um, and then we assess the progress with those again using our asset asset management system. So kind of a little bit of the 2025 year in review. Um the 2024 25 winter season. So they span over two years but we included 24 and 25 had 17 events. Um there's around 3600 tons of salt. So the total cost for snow and ice around 814,000. Uh, and just to give a little perspective of that, you break that out to our 62,000 parcels in the county, it's about $13. It costs the whole year per parcel to system. >> A question quick. >> Yes. >> Sometimes when you have a upcoming snow event that's widely predicted, you I'll see stuff sprayed on the road in advance. Do you do the spraying in advance technique or >> Yep. >> What is that? What is that? So it's technical term is anti-icing. It's basically like when you're going to fry an egg, you either put butter or fam in it to prevent the stick and the bond. Um do that. >> Warmer temperature events will use just a salt brine. It's 23.6% salt solution. Going to be a colder or long duration event. Um they'll use different blend of a some sort of byproduct. A lot of times it's a B2 byproduct but we use like 80% brine and 20% of the byproduct is more lasting time and the effect of that lower time. We do try to do that as much as we can. It's not every storm but people it's really saved us for frost events. So, especially you get this time of the year where it's warmer in the day, have frost on the roads and point the top match up at night, you might gonna have frost. We've had several events since we've been doing it that we haven't had to call trucks out the next day. Uh roughly 3,000 labor hours in potholes last year. Uh about 1,800 hours of street sweeping. uh with those 1,800 hours of street sweeping, we collected 406 tons of sweeping. So again, uh good environmental practice because if that makes it to the storm water ponds, it's a lot more expensive to get it cleaned out. >> So what do you do with all that stuff? You screw it, use some again or we so kind of through scale. We've been talking about that with the other uh maintenance maintenance leaders at the other cities. We haven't gotten there yet. Right now, I have we do have a few more, but we have talked about screening. Since nobody really uses sand in the winter anymore, I don't know how much of that material would be good. Um, back in the day would have been more um yellow maintenance. Um you know like Brad mentioned about 18 and 12 miles of gravel roads that were spending over 300 hours creating and then we spend uh about 47,000 on dust control last year just in perspective dust control on our higher ADT gravel roads uh we are spraying the entire road just to help us make that road so we don't have to grade it as much and then the less traveled uh gravel roads were spraying around each resident's driveway and then at that stop sign stop sign spraying as to that point help a little bit out. Uh as far as vegetation, uh we cut up down around 48 uh emerald ash for infested trees last year. Um we're probably over that amount this year already. Um spent for a little over 4,700 hours 4,700 hours uh cutting and trim trees and 79,000 spring roadside. >> You have a tree replacement program if we lose trees to >> sorry >> tree replacement program if we lose trees like do we get a grant from the state or >> we have not I know the city of Shaki had one where they were getting money from the state. I don't know if that's available for those trees. >> Oh, we had some for parks, but I don't know if we had any for parks. Um so a little bit about our passive food infrastructure from 2025. Um for me overlay or better preservation for uh about 10.8 miles of combination overlay and also one depth reconation. uh just under 300,000 line feed crack seal about 25 center line miles of seal perform 49 bridge inspections uh which we do in house which resulted in 55 repairs there minor repairs uh generally the inspection but inspections and repair all happen our traffic department had a little over 300 signs replaced and nearly 1,200 replaced with project. So when we do an overlay generally go through and replace the signs at the same time. Couple new traffic signals both at 82 in Stemer Ridge in Fire Lake and one in 101 and Chenned and Chong with several cabinet equipment on 2026. Uh for our overlays, uh we have two bid packages this year which have already been out. Um first one county highway 15 and that's from county highway 8 to Columbus Avenue in Craig and then uh county 91 river from county highway 21 county highway this year's program just shy of 10 miles approximately 20 lane miles of silk scheduled for this year and that is currently good openings coming week in April. Um that is that program is both budgeted amount plus plus also some transportation advance. Uh same with the coral7,000 on the budget bridges. This year we have uh 45 plan inspections. 31 of those are are county bridges with the rest being combination of township and city. Uh we can continue to prepare for some bridge replacements that we have coming up in the program. We have two on county highway 64, one on 8, one on 27 and two on county 46. So that's they're a couple years away but planning has been going on for us. Contining with the 2026 work, um the traffic department, they have 400 signed plan for replacement. There's a new signal plan for 16 lake along with connection storm waters. We have several uh inspections and four inspections of our ponds. uh all fall inspections. Then we have uh several liners that we're going to continue along County Highway 15. So earlier I mentioned we get ahead of the uh overlay program and replace center lane culberts on this portion of uh County Highway 15 that we're overlaying this year. There were several that we didn't have to dig up. They were straight enough but still had holes in them. Don't have to dig the road up. They shove these liners through, place money there, and the risk of settlement in the future. There's one that's super deep and several hundred feet long. So, it would have been very expensive, very time consuming. So, we'll get them in before the overlay begins. Uh continue work under gravel roads, uh dust coating, that's out for boats right now. um and shouldering. So mentioned both with uh gravel road resurfacing I call it and shouldering. We've um last few years we've done got into some recycling. So we requested 5,000 tons per year of billings off of our overlay program. They haul them to our shop and then we brush them so they're the consistency of a class five material. Um, we're doing that for about5 to $6 a ton versus having to drive to a core pay upwards of 12 $13 a ton. And we're getting a lot better product that open extends our shoulder life several years versus having to touch them. >> Just a quick question if I could. Um, the revenue that we saw at the beginning, that include mage tax. How much is the village tax get for >> village tax? Uh varies, but I think right now we're estimating around 1.4 million a year. >> I didn't I didn't think I saw that in the but you use that for that. Used to be we were going to use that for maintenance. Now is that use um it's used on the overlay program. >> Okay. >> Part of the overlay program within the tip. So that's the road bridge fund. Um Joe's been talking mainly about the operational dollars at this point. >> Okay. So this is all that doesn't that would be another presentation confusing. Okay. >> Part of that >> I also wanted to know I think the answer is no but our transportation sales tax that can't be used for maintenance can it? >> Uh no right now. um a set number of projects that are defined based on adopted and used for preservation like that, but it's more construction overlay. >> Okay. All right. Well, I'm it's probably off topic, but I look at the le money and there's a way to use some of that for expense. Keep keep going. >> Interesting. You said that'd be a different presentation. We do present on the tip every year when Leslie's bringing the CIP for it. So that's when you get regularly. This is just the operation side, not >> Okay, go ahead. Keep going. >> Um vegetation maintenance uh is ongoing or right away mowing, weed control, uh tree trimming, which I talked about before. are um switching up a little bit this year on our vegetation spring and we're partnering with uh SWCD uh to help us out with some of that. They're kind of going to take the lead on the program. Um we have a good partnership moving forward that that's going to be helpful on both ends. So we both use the same contractor so they can just travel a corridor, catch the side township roads at the same time. that would be a much better coordinated. One area where we may have um a little heartache for this first year is generally we um spray for noxious weeds thistle being the big one. Generally we spray twice a year for that. Um this year we are switching to a fall only spray. Uh the reason for that is um kill off rate is much more successful. uh don't have the potential of damaging crops. Um so there could be a few more phone calls this year, but we are going to try to stay on top of mowing it. Working on getting uh iPads for our ditch mower so they can drop a pin right when they see it, they can dive down and cut. We got to go cut it one more time. But the big chain was trying to make that leap and this year we just decided to go. We get a lot better product success eliminating the max we >> Yeah, thanks Joe. Those will be my calls mostly. Um will it just so I know are we already planning extra mowing because of that or >> like can I say that like >> Yep. So we're we'll we do right around Memorial Day a little sooner depending on our spring but when we do our initial top six they see pestle starting to emerge down lower in the ditch they'll dive down pin it in our GIS system to know that in a month we need to loop back and and mow that again. You want to make sure it we mow it before it out. >> Okay. >> Yep. Well, cool. We'll be talking it. >> Uh, last time there was our trail so silk coat. So, every year, uh, we're we're still coating, uh, our trails on a 5year interval. Um, this is a 50 5050, uh, cooperative within the cities. All right, let's talk pavements here a little bit. Um, so most often people think of the the road as being just the pavement, right? And you got cracks and well, something's wrong with the pavement, but really it's the whole structure of that. It's the gravel section under that. It's the sand structure after that. And equally important is the subgrade. And as you may know, we've got a lot of clay in Scott County. So that really is a is an issue for us in the strength of our section. And so we've been working on several things to try to strengthen that overall thing. So it's not just oh just put more black top make the black top thicker and that'll make your load stronger. That's not necessarily the case. It's it's the composite of all between the base and the subbase as well. Um so MDOT actually performs the the road testing on all of our roads and this is on a two-year cycle. Um it used to be on a four-year cycle but then starting in 20 since 2017 it's been on a two-year cycle. So that's been a really good thing. um we get uh more data to look at, we'd have to wait four years and see how we how we've done and what our giving condition index looks like. So, we've got a a much better read on that on a regular basis. So, that's been a really good thing. Um we don't have our data in for 2025 yet. We're still waiting on that. And I think Bill heard this morning or yesterday that it might be another month or so till we get that data. Um, so a lot of what you'll see and hear a little bit today is based on the 2023 data because that's all we have right now. And the hard part with it is even getting the 2025 data. It's not going to include this past winter and this past winter was kind of troublesome with the number of pre-saw cycles that we had as well. So he'll a little later. Excuse me. When Mindot goes out and they analyze our roadways, they're looking at the ride. So there's two things they look at. One is the the ride quality index, and that's the pavement roughness, and then the surface rating, and that's the uh pavement distress. And then a formula for that gives a PQI, the pavement quality index. And so some people use that a little bit interchangeably with the PCI, the paving condition index. And the PCI is basically just a a pneumatic conversion. So you have a scale from 0 to 100. So typical distresses that you'll see out there, you'll see a lot of cracking that happens over time with the roadways and and it's most often it's hard it's happening because you're losing that oil in the pavement and that that oil has been oxidized out of the pavement. So sun and and water and grease cycles and things like that start to work their way in the cracks and end up with numerous types of cracking. Um, and then you throw heavy vehicle loads on there and that exacerbates that and you end up with problematic situations like you're seeing on a few of those pictures. So, other distresses out there, obviously potholes, you got, you know, pretty uh extreme conditions on some of these when it starts to ravel or you've got shoving of pavement. And there's lots of different reasons in practice for for all of these whether it's constructibility, the uh the pavement itself, you've got subgrade issues. So you might have rudding out there, you've seen some of that. Some some of the pavements might bleed or you've got some tenting, swelling that happens out there as well. Um so like I mentioned, um a big factor is the environmental conditions that happen on the roadway itself. that oxidation vehicle loading is a a significant part of that subgrade material constructability and each road and location around the county is is different. It's not that the subgrade is is really different from north, south, east to west. So each road and kind of what we designed for going into it is a little different road to road. All right. And then here's kind of the life cycle in general of a of a uh a pavement. Um so we've got um our normal uh so long-term strategies with pavement preservation might include routine maintenance activities um preventable preventative maintenance activities and then larger rehab uh uh activities and then a complete reconstruction. And so, um, the preventive maintenance activities, these, these are your kind of your lower cost, your seal coats, your chip seals, your slurry seals, maybe a thin overlay, a, uh, a fog seal, uh, things of that nature. And then your rehabilitation will get into, sorry. Um, your rehabilitation. So, there might be several cycles of those lower cost maintenance activities till it gets to a point that we're going to do an overlay on that roadway. It might be a 2in mill and fill or 3-inch mill and fill, something like that. Um, and then finally at the end of that cycle, you're doing a complete pavement um removal and replacement and likely a subway correction at that point. Okay. >> Just curiosity. >> Yes. >> How many roadways do you know that the base is not very good that that being a bad base? >> Sure. So, well, um, percentage-wise or mileage wise, I couldn't give you an exact number. We often discover when we're going to go in for a project, we'll do and go out and take some core samples out there and understand what's underneath that roadway because a lot of these are I mean, they're they're 40, 50, 60 years old and back then they didn't do a whole lot besides put some material on top and then take a little bit off, put some new on. And that went on for decades until you get to a point it's like not only do we need to take everything off, we actually have to pro provide some sort of correction of that or we're just going to keep in this cycle. And so we've been experimenting with things like cement stabilization and trying to find that right mix of, you know, how to correct that subgrade material. So whatever we're building on top of that, it's going to last a lot longer than what was constructed many decades ago. So, in general, this is kind of what a section would look like now. Um, you know, at the start of a new pavement, um, might be an entirely new section, new pavement, and then we are actually providing a we're sealing that now. The old practice used to be, well, you got brand new pavement, you know, leave it like that, and then seven years later, let's put on a a seal coat, let's crack, fill, and then put on a seal coat. And then do that about every seven years till you really have to do something bigger like an overlay. And then we experimented with well let's do it a year later. And even within that first year you look at that oxidation of that pavement. It was nice and black and a year later it's already break. We'll say why don't we cap it right away? Let's do it the first year as soon as we're done paving it and then cap it right away. So you're capping that oil in the pavement right away. So that's been our practice now. So this shows about every seven years or so going through that and then at about that 20 22 year mark then we're doing an overlay. I'd be taking two off two back on whatever that is and then some point in that 30 plus year range. It's probably going to deteriorate to a point whatever was left in there is probably getting bad and including what was put on top of that. So now you got to take out that whole section and remove the entire thing. >> Just a quick dub question. Um, so we we sometimes I leave Scott County and our pavement looks black or gray or whatever. Go into another county looks red. What's the what's going on there? >> The chip seals. It depends on where they get the rock. Um, that's most you see that whether it's a granite chip or sometimes we get we've had some of the red ropes too, but we block seal or chip seal as well. I'm just curious. >> No, you can just in the north car counties got several that are that color as well. >> Another quick question. Maybe it's spearfish red, but no, sorry. Um, when did we start doing that cap thing that that's in the last five, six, seven years? Where were we? >> Since Joe's been here. >> Yeah. Well, like you lay down some nice new batuminous whatever the next year coming over >> like 2018 or 2019. >> Okay. >> Doing it immediately. Yeah. >> It's like seven or eight years ago started to budget >> and we're so so we're seeing that number of years is when we started doing that and been so far so good seeing I know we don't have 20 years of data on that but somebody probably does somewhere. >> Maybe not for here but someone must have been doing that someplace. >> Yeah, there there's a few counties. I think St. county up north is probably been maybe the longest. They've been doing that for decades. They they might even be in their 30-year range or so. Um but I think even I think Joe can even provide pictures and data that kind of shows like the benefits of that like a similar road that had it and one that didn't and see a few years later what that difference is. So the gut feel and anecdotal and probably some empirical evidence says >> we were really seeing it this winter. >> I haven't quite figured out how to actually provide data for other than photos but um the roads that were are seal coated roads that are out there that weren't seal coated until that sevenyear mark are um ones that have been since we've been doing this. So once again, as Tony mentioned, uh this map is using our 2023 uh pavement data as we await Mindot to provide our 2025 survey. Um our overall systems looking good. Um, in the past, uh, this past year in 2025, we got rid of small red blocks down there in the Blakeley area 51. I guess any questions about this map overall? >> What's our target? >> Targets uh, 72 and we're I think I'll get to a couple Okay. Um, so this graph is just showing uh the percent of the system by the paving condition. Um, so you have some ups and downs and I think no matter what you do, you're always going to see this as I mentioned with um we resurfaced 51 last year that had a score of 31. So now it's going to be the upper 80s. So, you know, that'll you're going to have those spikes. Um, we've had projects like um the 42 expansion between County Highway 17 and County Highway 83 that was plain rural, but it was in horrible shape or now has increased our score in there. So, a lot of fluctuation in there. Majority of our system is in the 72 goal. So 51's probably a good example. When it gets that bad, it's really not worth putting an investment in that. You know, we're going to completely rehab that entire thing. And a year or two that one ran a little bit longer when you made that decision for other reasons, but when it gets that low, it's really not worth putting in. Most often it's it's when they're still in that, you know, 60 range, you know, that you're doing a lot of these preventive maintenance activities because you want to keep it up as high as you can as long as you can get to that point it drops down and then we're going to do an overlay. So I think Andy's gonna he's got a slide he's going to get into kind of some decision making and how we go about these. Um next I've just shown uh our PCI by functional glass with princ again. Um the next time we come back with our 20 to 25 data that local will will spike this road 53. I think this also shows the importance of the functional class roadways and kind of emphasis because they're our highest travel roadways uh most volume our higher arterial roadway. So it really kind of you can see kind of the peck and motor between the principal minor arterials collector. So I think this is a goodation of that. Next one is showing our average average over the last several years. um stays fairly consistent. Um we are, you know, at 76 now, which is a little bit above the county goal of 72. Um I've had some other investments. Again, I mentioned um county road 42 expansion. County Highway 83 was turned into concrete. That road was horrible before. So those are al it's not just the overlay programs affecting these scores. It's it's our reconstruction projects that go to um I think our my best guess is our 2025 data is going to be pretty similar. The 2027 data I'm telling you is from what I see from this winter is going to affect our score the other way. Um we've had several years of mild winters. Um this year was a different ball game. uh few rain events, several freeze thaw events. Uh we had four feet of frost which we haven't had in several years and we actually had a thaw which fought out the first foot foot and a half from the roads. Then we got that cold spell and it drove back out. So um although not a lot of snow on the ground at many times but it was all all 19 and then gone and we don't with not having the new data back yet for 2025 and it is a a new vehicle as well. So from 2017 prior it was a certain vehicle in 2019 was a new vehicle in process and now they've got a new one that started last year. So, it's hard to know like are these exact apples to apples when making some comparison and kind of showing this. It's like where we're at and we're pretty consistent right at that 72. We've been slightly ahead the last couple cycles. And so, I'll be really curious to see how this new data comes in. And I think it's more, you know, what do we feel our condition of our roadways are overall? And it seems like they're in good condition. Um, from an investment standpoint, I don't think we're overspending. I think we're maintaining like Joe said, sometimes it takes a few cycles to kind of see where it all kind of plays out. So, we're anxious to see in another month or so with 2021. >> So, we did increase what seven or eight years ago investment as construction went down, we've added more land. We have increased investment overlays and still putting significant. >> Yes. So I'm hoping right we would maintain in that 72 realm somewhere give or take. >> Yeah. Yeah. We feel we will as well. You know part of that's like with inflation too. So increasing that you know we're not like losing ground. Same number of roads maintenance practices things like that. So we we feel confident we'll be able to maintain the 72. You know I'd be a little fearful of saying oh boy we hit 76. Let's pull back right away on that. So, I think we need to kind of see another cycle or two. >> Yeah. And I mean, it's like 69 or 75, right? >> Give or take. I mean, it's not a perfect science. So, you're within the ballpark of where we would want to be. >> I mean, we were below it for a while. We didn't panic and we just figured out how do we plug and invest to get. So, >> yeah. And that's what we hope with Cardigraph and getting online with it more and using predictive modeling better handle on that as well. I was touching briefly on our concrete roadways um approximately 30 lane miles out there um of County Highway 21, County Highway 66 and now County Highway 83. Um they've been a pretty minimal uh maintenance aspect for us at this point. Uh a couple crack seals on uh one crack seal so far on County Highway 21. We'll be doing that again this year. Um we've had a few small potholes on that segment, but it's overall it's holding up very well. Um eventually have the new construction on 2083. County Highway 66 which was on one bonded concrete overlay um has been a little more troublesome um a couple times but it's had multiple uh heat in the summer heat. Um that to date has been patched back by two minutes. So eventually we'll have a little bigger project to get that return time. still a little mystery out there of what exactly is going on with that road, but um touched on road and shoulder maintenance a little bit earlier, but we're spending 40 to 50,000 annually on dust coating. Um again, I mentioned higher roads. you're spraying the entire length of the road just to help try to hold it together a little bit better. And we're right right around that 400 hours for whether it's reclaiming shoulders, restoring um gravel roads or shouldering. And we're hope now that we're using recycled asphalt milling that we can really drop those reclaiming and and shouldering down. So as Joe and Tony have alluded to, there's a number of factors that go into all all of this. uh taking the data, the volumes, the runways, the assessments that Joe and his staff do as well. All of that input then goes in along with the the education program, budgeting that's available for that and then working with other agencies, working with other projects to help find that right balance on when when these improvements can be made. Um and also the components of what kind of uh work is it? Is it team maintenance? Is it preventative? Does it go into some of those bigger um overlays or even into some more of a major kind of replacement activity? And then all that then gets putting the plans together. um putting all that information back together, going out for bidding, getting quotes, managing the contracts and uh communicating with uh residents and having public through all that. So all of this is a annual continual pro process. Um the the next few years out are constantly being looked at and reassessed. As Joe mentioned before, it's 5 to 10 years that they're really looking out for overlay seal coats, crack seals, all of that. And um in the next year or so, the one year out is really plans start to go into to really get that next segment in place. And as you can see here, this is kind of a since 2004 kind of showing the funding as as mentioned earlier about how the annual payment or kind of the overlay program has been utilized. The uh black straight line shows that average over the those first 10 years or so. And then next slide and see where that increase did take place. So when we're going through the the tip and Joe's working through the next 10 years, it's really trying to hit in that six to 10 million range is really what the window he has. Um and as you can kind of see that's in that seven to 8 million is that average that's really been maintained. the uh kind of up and down dash black line indicates the patuminous pricing. And so in especially in the early part of this decade, inflation has been a significant piece of pricing. We we do seem to see things stabling out, stabilizing out um as well as our estimating is probably factored in a lot of that as well. So, um, seems to be a little bit more evenly balanced as opposed to the unexpected spikes that we were experiencing a few years back. And, um, as you can see, this year was, uh, ended up being a pretty light year in terms of the overlay program, but there are a couple bigger years coming up. 2028 as the next segment of Highway 42. Um, kind of west of uh highway 13 to highway 83. Um that will also have some federal funds associated with it. So it is a bigger project but it does also have some external go. >> So that those first few years a lot of the batuminous improvement came those were new roads new additions. We spent a lot of money expanding our program in those years. So that's where a lot of the pavement improvements came. Um, I've never been told before, but you have three years to spend $20 million down, right? I mean, when I got here, that was the walking borders was get 21 and two and 21 and 83, all those big roads expanded. 42 went through a major project. So, um, that's where a lot of the pavement improvement came in those years. It wasn't necessarily in the overlays. It was actually road construction programs itself. the road program itself. >> So next steps, these are a couple insights on some other tools and things that we are looking into. So obviously um Tony and Joe's expertise drives a lot of this, but we're also looking at other tools that we can help, you know, be another tool in toolbox, another opportunity to kind of analyze things differently. Um, first thing is once we get that 2025 PCI data, we plug that in and start to see where things lie. Um, do some of that gut chuck gut check testing to see how it fits. Is that number consistent with what we're seeing? You know, some of the stuff Jo indicated earlier. Um, part of is another tool that we have and that's a couple of these pictures that can show this scenario builder where we can do a little bit more modeling based on some trend lines. Uh, if we have this X dollar budget, uh, what kind of improvements on these segments place over the those number of years? If we're trying to maintain a PCI value of 72, what could that look like? So, there's a lot of opportunities there. um we're still learning trying to refine the model and and get that in a way that we can trust it and understand it better. That's what we're working towards. And then um did another analysis here that I can show you um called like a pavement prioritization assessment. And so um some of these items I heard about earlier here the functional classification the volumes the given condition checks. So those are all different criteria that we can look at. So this is a way to just kind of take that a little bit of a weight to each of those points. Um then really look at a segment. Um as Tony mentioned earlier it's a Prince Arterial Highway 42. that's the highest volume, highest functioning a roadway in in the county. Um there's probably a reason to invest in that a little bit more than so in some other segments of you know of the county. So we put some different factors in there. Um when you look at the PCI as Tony mentioned once it gets beyond a certain point maybe it's not worth valuing as much because the replacement is most likely the option with that. So this is a way to kind of put some scoring in there to kind of maintain that sweet spot of maintaining that overlay preservation approach. And so um what I'll show you is uh so basically this is a score of 100 with these different four factors. um the top points if you take out the PCI would be 55% based on the function and the volumes of the roadway and then the condition would be 45%. And so um I take out just take out the PCI. So if we just look at those top three um facility type functional classification and volumes um this is what the map would look like. So we look at it the thicker line means the higher value higher rating. You can see that 17 in the north track the area 221 um 101 are all a little bit thicker. They kind of score higher because of the volumes because of classification of the roadway. And so now once we get the new ECI data we can plug that in and start to see how this all balance out. um first initial crack of this it seemed to make sense. Seemed like a good gut check of everything. So again, this doesn't answer everything, but it helps just kind of assess we're running into a tight area. Which one of these maybe makes more sense to prioritize? How do you compare these rates that stuff? So, another example of things that we're trying to work on to build upon this data that we're utilizing and trying to open inform decision making. >> A comment here if I could and I know I mixed things together. I'm going to do it again. Um, you know, we've got this transportation sales tax. I don't know if it's $12 million, whatever it is, something like that. And we, you know, in the past we had said we're going to do these larger systems, many of them do roadways and so forth. That was great. I just wonder if we're coming in an area where we're just going to be really scrambling for dollars and we're going to have to take have the transportation levy be far less and maybe some of those more uh vendot type programs are going to have to switch to more local roadways. I you know I don't know. I think there's going to have to be a reshuffleling of of money and priorities here. >> So, the um priorities were set through a public hearing. Projects have to be called out through a public >> um the next set of projects that come up really are county roads. They're county highway 17. their county highway 8 and 2 and 35 I think has a small allocation that doesn't show up in the tip yet but it's there in cash flow in 2031 or two I think it comes due in 2032 again the board in the state >> no I don't believe that you have to wait till 2032 I mean next year you could say we're going to reup the transportation sales tax we're going to reorder it you could start fresh at any year and and redo We could if that's what the board chose to do. But the projects that are coming are county roads. They're 17 and they're eight. >> I mean, okay. I'm just saying this may be an area we have to look at those dollars and how the whole plays out in our whole financial scenario. >> Yeah. I mean, there isn't much that goes to the road and bridge levy anymore. It's $2 million at most. Um, and so you're going to want some flexibility to do some things that don't require a public hearing. >> Sure. >> Um, but I'm just saying I think you're set up for the next several years to do kind of roads with dollars. You've completed 13 and 169. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not saying how to do it. I'm just saying you have to Yep. >> You could you could have a public hearing at any time. I'm not sure I'm right. I'm just throwing it out as something to >> I mean there was a year era where we're adding a new million dollars every year to transportation and over time we've taken that back. I mean >> that was done by 2008 2009 and it's gone down continually. >> No, I know that. I know that. >> So sorry about that. >> No, it's fine. Good history. Yeah. >> Other Okay, I jumped in there. You got more to keep going? >> Yep. Keep going. >> Just put uh we have several different uh cooperative maintenance agreements out there. Great bars agreements. Um road expansions happen. Just kind of different agreements that come into play. I won't read through all these. Um I just will say that um just to help with the board with our other maintenance leaders throughout the county at the cities um the leadership teams at all these cities are great especially at resource sharing um whether it be equipment or we have a job to do. Just a couple examples in the last two weeks we had a skid steer down left leg get a skid steer we use. Yep. Um new market needed a blade the other day. Yep. come and get it. Um, we were out in ' 66 cutting trees. We had a huge wheel. Our skid couldn't lift it. Our loader was about plane. Our forks were in Jordan, the central shop called the city of Jordan thinking you guys come. I just want them to be aware that there was a great report between the maintenance leadership in county and state. Joe, a big chunk of that though is your leadership and your willingness to make that happen. And it doesn't matter if it's a township, a neighboring county, or a city. Um, you're always willing to lend a hand. And so, kudos to you. If you hadn't had the slide up, I was going to mention it. Kudos to you and your leadership for that culture and working together and partnering. um it goes well beyond what we ever had with that scale agreement that we just kind of ignore and we get stuff done. Um and that's because of your leadership. So kudos to you. It looks like uh trails is next. U just wanted to hit on that real quickly. Um trails in our rightway, they're they're the backbone of the of the trail system throughout the entire county. Folks use them for longer trips. They also use them for just doing a loop between neighborhoods. Um, and you know, when when I first started at Scott County back in 99, it was really left up to the cities, whether it's development or projects, whether they want some kind of ped or bike facility in our rightway. We we worked with them and it led to some inconsistencies um between cities, between uh what got built um through development where we never pushed it. they didn't build necessarily or have their developer build a trail or a sidewalk in our in our county road if they were building up against our our county road. So, you know, we had gaps, we had inconsistencies. And so, um starting in 2030, uh we followed similar to Dakota County, um that in the urbanized areas that we would have trails on on both sides of our our our roadways um in the urbanized area. So, and we also then pushed and been been more active with developers that when they come in and against our road that we're having them put in a trail or working with the city to require that trail to be put in with development or if it didn't make sense for some reason because it didn't connect to anything. Is there ability to to grade it grade for it for future and have the have the city hold some funds for that future trail to go in? So, we really stepped up our involvement in it. Um, and sometimes we'd have trails on on one side of the road. I think that was part of it as well is we'd end up with crossing issues because people want to get to that trail on the other side. And, you know, though we don't have any data to support that, I think that was something where we saw that these could be, you know, not the safest crossing locations to get to those trails. Um and so um and then in 2040 we changed to uh a cost participation of 50/50 for trails in our rightway. Um not only not only for projects but also for maintenance practices. We and this was to give a little more uh consistency through the maintenance practices that we're we're sharing that. Um, and then and then really it's it's um we want to make sure that we're also trying to meet our ADA goals. Um, and then uh I think looking to the future, it's we're going to be looking at a gap analysis of what our priorities are for some of those gaps. I thought, and I'm sure my recollection wrong, I thought the maintenance once we built it, the maintenance was 100% the other side of the equation, not the county. >> It may have been that way. >> It used to be that way. It used to be our own cost participation policy. It was that way. We built the trail, they built the sidewalk or and then they took over complete maintenance of that. And I think we recognize that maintenance activities weren't happening. So it's in our best interest as well that we're going to cost share drills on both sides and then maintenance on both sides to ensure that that investment function over the life that >> so uh okay in a roadway where it's cement on one side and asphalt on the other are we equally enough for the cement side? >> It's 5050 for >> both sides. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, here's my question or concern. You know, I this is probably an old issue, but I'm aware of it where city would allow a snowmobile trail on the cement and I've seen gouges in the cement from don't they have studs on some of those snowmobiles? >> Wear rods or wear rods and studs potentially with wear rods. >> That's our rightway. Would that we be involved in that decision? >> I'm not aware of that as an issue. Joe, are you under? >> Not on concrete. I mean on County Highway 82 there's the trail there, but generally there they're full of snow. Um, you know, you know, we got the issues with us benching and then causing issues, but generally there's enough snow where it hasn't caused any issues. >> Okay. All right. >> See them where they cross the road more or less. But as far as >> we used to have an issue, remember in Savage, but I think that route went away. That was one of them that you were involved in early time. >> So old. >> Nope. Yeah. >> All right. So the the slide in front of you is is a performance uh measure that we have been tracking. Um, so that 2030 comp plan back in 2008, uh, we looked at the trails we had then and and what we have now. Um, and these increases are mostly due to development or projects where we reconstructed roads. Um, and there are there have been a few trail gap projects that we've worked with cities on that have requested it through our tip process. Um, but we haven't been building a lot of trails on their own. uh one because it is costly. I think initially we worked this was in the 2000s we had looked at because we were getting um comments from the public and also the city of Savage in Ride 13 and 42 um to look at trying to fill some of those gaps around the commercial areas because people wanted to get to the commercial areas u be able to walk to the commercial areas uh at that at uh 42 and 13. Uh I think we looked at an initial um cost of that and it was just astronomical to do that to go retrofit trails back in. So uh we came back, we decided to wait on that and we actually put them in through a a project the 1342. Um but it it took time to do that. So and not going out and doing our own projects. Just to let you know the active transportation funds that are going to become available. I think they're requiring year round. >> Yep. Yeah. And and I'm I was going to send a note out to the cities encouraging each of them to, you know, look at that for funding and if we want to be able to coordinate some some projects, you know, we need to be able to get our letters of support and things like that in so make sure that we're on top of that. >> Good. Um this last slide I have uh is for CRA crashes involving the bike pads. Um you can see in 2025 we had a jump in the number of crashes that occurred. Um we don't know if that's uh the trend of of increasing. We'll see how this year goes. But uh when you look at the state and the metro um bike pad crashes have increased overall. Um, so it's something that, you know, I think a lot of folks are paying more and more attention to. Um, and most of the crashes are between bike and ped 5050. >> Just curios curious or in a comment. You know, the these electric bikes, you know, everything's being called an electric bike. Well, uh, you know, one of the outstanding ones in Lakeville were somebody injury injury. That that wasn't an electric bike. that was kind of like almost like an electric mini motorcycle bill. Um I just wonder have we had seen articles on the is this a scale discussion of what to do in respon response to this? I mean >> y's got it on the list. It's one of the things talked about was different ordinances and in the city. But that was one of my questions from Mark. I know there's number but we have more vehicles on the road. We have more bikes with Z bikes out. What's the rate? Sometimes that said, has the rate changed dramatically? And it's got to be up some Yeah, I was trying to use our ATMS system to try to see if we could develop some sort of a heat map where the pedestrians are actually crossing our roadways so they have to conflict have difficult drawing that information out of that. Certainly I would think with all the trails that we have we're encouraging people to be out on the roadways or on bike trails these conflicts are so study how we can minimize those conflict points. There are some certain things that we can do with traffic signals to get pedestrians starting to cross a roadway before traffic starts moving so they can be identified by motors of that nature. >> There's a type one, two, and three electric and and there's plenty of places that don't allow a bike to function three. Two maximum speed is 20 miles an hour. Three goes up to 28. >> These little electric motorcycles go a lot faster than they look like little motorcycles anymore. Right. >> They even look like little motorcycles anymore. >> Yeah. >> I think youngest person that's allowed to operate is 15y old. >> And I see younger people on what they call ebikes, but more like >> Prior Lake has horse or something. John maybe has >> Yeah, John's pulled some in. >> Yeah. So, I we haven't seen a lot of crashes involving ebikes documented in Scott. um you know, but we're relying on the officer responding to the crash to document that in the um crash narrative when they fill out the report. So, there may be more out there than we're aware of at this time. >> It's the low. I think it's only a couple a year, >> right? We had two documented last year, two documented in 2024. So just just a handful of them that we're aware of. >> And and then I guess the the one thing the crashes over the last um years of data that that's here that was again 5050 more bikes and pads but our serious injury uh were the pets that was a lot higher. some other um statistics that I pulled out of the data over the last five years to share today. Um 75% of these crashes are occurring at um intersections. It's a pretty even split between signals or stop and field controlled intersections. Um, at 37% of the crashes, um, the ped the pedestrian or the bicyclist was at fault for the crash, either not stopping at the stop sign or crossing on a red at a signal. Maybe 30% of the crashes at the signal while the pedestrian bicyclist crossing on red. Um, another statistic that I wanted to highlight was that 43% of the pedestrian bicycle crashes over the last five years involved a pedestrian or bicyclist under the age of 21 and 30% of the crashes involved with pedestrian or bicyclist under 15. So, it is skewing towards the younger um trail and sidewalk users. Well, I'd like to think it is just kids, but anecdotally what I've noticed u with the bike or pet um walking out, I know pedestrians get the right away, but whether it's against traffic, you know, red light, not um just walking out, I have my lines almost like they have blinders on. Not not a look and not always carrying one of these dumb things either. >> Yeah. >> Um it's not just kids, it's grown adults. like holy cows. Whatever happened to that left, right, left again thing, but um so it it's Yeah. And and again, I'd like to say it was with the phone, but there's no phone. >> Um and maybe we're going to get there, too. I know we're talking trails, but aren't we now the third deadliest highway system in the county or or in the state? >> And which our roads are amazing. Our roads I know there's Can you find something? Sure. There's always going to be something. I mean, they're public roads with freeze thaw and all that stuff. But these roads are like we've changed things that maybe didn't always meet warrants. Um they were just weird intersections and we've made changes. Um and I know a lot of the issues are not there's another reason why something happened. Like I don't know how we get ahead of that. It's being publicized out there like like somehow we're they're addictive duty and and that's not it at all. like they're good ropes. I don't get the front, but so I don't know how we get out of that. >> All right, what's the next slide? We got to keep >> Well, you know what? I'm going to take a call here and say that we can just wrap up there. We had a slide on speed studies. I don't know if that is a topic you want to delve into or you want to just wrap it up here. I know we're past your hour and you probably have other >> Okay, we'll wrap it up. I appreciate your time and um there's a lot of information here and a lot of data. So, you're welcome to contact me if you want to have some of this data ready when you ask folks. We'll have the operations plan out in a couple of weeks that will have a lot of this data as well. >> Sounds good. >> Thank you.