like to call to order the shock School Board regular business meeting for January 27 2025 Tiffany can you please do the role roopie here Z here Valdez here Peterson here Smith here Aldrich here John son here sha and Michelle please join me in the pledge of Elance i al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all good evening everybody it's good to see you've got a pack house tonight and uh I I guess I'll just leave by saying um I'm pleased to see that we we all share a love and passion for public education or we all wouldn't be here and uh we're going to uh move through a few of regular business items and then get to the reason you're all here tonight uh so bear with us as we we move through our regular business and uh we'll go from there uh first on our agenda is item 3.1 part of our saber Pride National mentoring month uh student partner Spotlight and uh Tiffany will present and you have some guests to introduce we have fantastic guests here today so I'll let them start to move the up as they see fit and we can stand over here but we have business partners and the most important guests we have fantastic students with us tonight so feel free to stand wherever it's comfortable um and we'll just make sure everyone can see both TVs there we'll do some introductions in a second but the reason all these fantastic individuals are here today is January is National mentoring month and you can see some items on here and as you can imagine throughout our district mentoring happens at every single phase of Education it happens in every grade at every grade level in every building you can see all the efforts you have staff members that are here with us tonight that are in our buildings we have Community Partners um we have what we call Academy Champions and we have folks that represent those businesses here where they pledge above and beyond the hours to do many things including mentorship um and we also have those peer-to-peer mentors it's great when we get to go in and get to see students supporting students whether it's Human Services and teaching kiddos in elementary school how to brush their teeth and do all those fun things or whether it's gloomies and things of that nature and what we're going to discuss tonight is actually I really just get to Tee It Up our students and our partners are here um we've done some shuffling as you would expect students have a lot going on so I'm going to let them do a round table of who they are and then what we're actually going to do you'll just say some Q&A on here not necessarily by me but that we've all talked about that will help them share the importance of mentoring and our goal is that hopefully everyone understands the positive impact of this both on students and businesses and then if there's any additional comments from the board we'll do that but if we may want to start Amy if you would H hi I'm Amy Kean I am Senior marketing and Communications specialist at St Francis and St Francis is the academy Champion for the healthcare ummies healthare Science Academy hi I'm ailia I'm a part of the Caps program specifically the healthare medicine and um I'm Jazzy I'm a senior in the um cap stem program so science technology engineering manufactur I'm James I'm also a senior in the cap program and I'm in the engineering Manufacturing Academy Josh butcher quality manufacturing or quality and engineering manager for manufacturing at Bayer crop science here in shy and caps engineering Manufacturing Academy Champion um Jen SCH Scott County Library director and we often support the um cap students in in the Human Services Academy Jake gring Scott County Administration also supporting students in the Human Services Academy you can see we have all different backgrounds all different heights we have I'm sure you love that Jake to me too so so we go back and forth between the students and the mentors here and the way we've set it up it's just you know whoever wants to kick it off first I'll do some some teacher pointing if we have to but I know you don't need us um and really we just want you to walk through a little bit so we're going to start with the most important guest which is our students and just sharing what does mentorship mean what are some of those opportunities that you personally or your friends have been exposed to thus far so I can start um I'm a part of the Shak caps program the specifically the healthare and medicine like I said before and what it has specifically done for us is we've done internships we've done client Pro projects and we've done this with our partners such as misser Amy K and um Lucy some of the things we have done is go out to the high schools and do stuff like the career Expo industry tours and the shape of showcase where we just inform students high schoolers from 10th to 12 grade on future opportunities they may have on in in the healthcare field and so yeah the me the our mentors have greatly impacted us giving the US the opportunity to impact students at the high school anything you would like to add that um I would say for us with the um cap stem program we work very closely with Bayer our Academy champion and we usually or this past semester we spent two days at the B site getting to know Josh and his team and shadowing all the different aspects of the manufacturing tour as well as the engineering portions of everything and through all of that I would say the biggest things that we've learned are just through these mentors that we've gained it's learning what we're going to need in order to be successful as a true engineer in the field that we're going into so everything from time management to how to write a good email all of these things that will take through us take with us all the way through the career is what we've been getting out it yeah and to expand on that one of my goals personally for the St for the stemc program was to kind of um evaluate my future and see like what what part of um the stem Fields I want to go into and be has been really helpful in that letting us you know see the shop floor see what different parts of life going into the engineering department see what they do and I think that's been really helpful for me awesome mentors do you want to add anything about additional experiences that you have provided or any other examples so folks can understand better what mentorship means yeah I we'll say from the St Francis side it's a little more difficult because from the health care standpoint they can do a lot of job shadowing um sometimes they get to use the DCI robot like last year they got to use it to open like starbur trampers so this instrument that used for surgeries they actually got to try it which was really interesting um but this year I partnered with the creative Academy as well and we had them design a m that will go in the athletic training office at the high school so it's some really cool real world things that they get to do um as part of the program and it's a lot of fun to work with them and see them develop throughout like they said like writing an email like setting up meetings just things that are actually useful in life moving forward so it's a really cool program um from the library we um have had a number of caps interns that have helped with our learning and Outreach staff that have helped um which one of their focuses is Early Education um or early childhood education and they um focus on programming helping us go out in the read mobile um marketing for our different programs I think um giving us input into things that um that kids want at the library that recently has been a really helpful I've worked with a number of different um Capstone as well as just some other um kids at chakip that have provided invaluable information about what we can do at the library to help bring Community into the library what they need and what they want um so I've really appreciated their input um in all of those conversations so at Bayer we try to provide an opportunity for students to learn some competencies towards manufacturing and Engineering in a u real manufacturing environment you know providing a way for them to grow and learn and experiment and then as we transition into our internships with them it's is really focusing on how you set your own goals and creating something that's meaningful to them and to us and and we've got all kinds of opportunities and being able to suit those goals to uh one of the problems that we have and and providing them that experience to take with them so students this is the impact valuable lessons and it can almost go to another question that you probably prepared for of just like confidence and self-belief how has mentorship helped with your hopeful future career path and present day for you yeah I can I can this one yeah uh it's we there's been a very big focus at um bearing the stem caps on personal development and um leadership especially um like what what does leadership mean to you and how can you display that in your life um so every time we did go Shadow somebody out on the manufacturing floor um we would come back and regroup and talk about you know how did how did they show leadership how um what's that process like for them and how can you kind of implement that into your life I would say for me another big thing that Bayer highlights is the idea of continuous Improvement so even if you're already really good at something and it works how do you keep making it better and another thing that through the entire class experience that we've been working on is how to implement that continuous Improvement or growth mindset into our own everyday lives as well so that's something that I got yes like they said um one of the uh impacts it has had on us is that we go through these meetings and we while we're hosting all these s while we're hosting all these um important what's it called um things at these sites we also learn that not only is this career about taking care of people but you also have to connect with them oneon-one on what they want to wiar and which you have to get them so finding ways to personalize what they want to do and what they're interested in the healthare field and directing it back to St Francis for example if they want to volunteer in the emergency department and you would expand on them connect them to probably am or and since you all have done a fantastic job encapsulating I I'll skip through a couple of few but I would love for the students to here I know the reward is not just one way um and then anything you know maybe your businesses have done to help support this mentorship process or even if you have a PSA for those that are maybe nervous about whether they can be a mentor or not um I think it's really great because I'm not that old but I feel old um but they have such a fresh outlook on things and especially I think in nursing it's especially after Co it was an industry that people were leaving very quickly um and they are not treated very well and so having their their perspective on the industry and what they're looking to do and what drives them to get into Healthcare has been really eye opening and I it's really interesting to listen to them they're so passionate about what they want to do um and to give them the opportunity to Shadow all the different departments and really see what it's like before they go into college and they're like oh like blood is gross I don't want to do this any um it's a great opportunity and we learned so much from them and um we're really happy that we get to host them in there at campus every single day um and I have two interns they have to interview and I would tell them like I hate interviews and he usually lies the mood a little bit so I'm like this is don't be stressed um and so it's great working with them I'll I'll pick up what you're laying down with like not not feeling old but then when we're working with with the students realizing I think maybe we are kind of um from accounting perspective Jen mentioned um marketing and Communications and if you get a bunch of 40 plus government people in a room they can think they're pretty good at just about anything and we I think we're really good at social media and our cap students that we've been able to work with I think have enlightened us a little bit that we could we could maybe do a little better job we could change the tone we could slice things up a little bit and make it more in um to people under 40 like not not everybody gets their information from email newsletters and Facebook there are other platforms out there um and that just that's one example that speaks to a larger I think impact countywide that we've had working with Shak school students is that they have challenged us to think differently about just about everything we do from from a non-government perspective but also from uh a younger um resident Scott County perspective because um the ones who are 18 they they vote they work in this community so they their voices matter as much as the folks who show up at County board meetings so it's good to hear that yeah absolutely and I just add um for me I I just love working with students and their curiosity they ask really good questions um they challenge us to think things differently and out of the box which I really appreciate it's probably one of my most um uh uh I don't know uh exciting things that I do when I get to work with the students and hear them I walk out of those meetings and I just feel so much energy that I wouldn't sometimes otherwise have in those 40 plus 50 plus meetings that I have every day so they have really been um instrumental in helping us think differently about what we can do specifically at the library um to grab the attention of other folks that aren't necessarily always using the library so I really appreciated that about them I think what we have kind of integrated in our business model a little bit different is um when we're thinking about challenges we often go oh I wonder if this is something the students help us do is there's um some input students could give us that would help us try to figure out how we want to approach um the new initiatives that we do so that's one of the things that I think has really been um integrated into just the day-to-day work that we do JH thoughts yeah so time back in you we've seen our staff become invigorated as well well you know seeing a young student really interested in the career field that they're in you know they've been in it for maybe 20 30 years and kind of got into that rut and all a sudden you have somebody that Sparks you that interest again and takes you back and then also the experience of having to explain what you do for to a student it has really grown the depth and understanding of how our staff has value for our customer and and that's really been something that we've seen help not only in the exchanges you know making more efficient how they communicate but just in their understanding of how they create value themselves every day fantastic and we are very grateful again we have three Partners here but we have hundreds of Partners we have other Academy Champions we don't put so many in this room fantastic students you haven't seen Jazzy she's also been connected to CIT what are the projects you've worked on I know there a big one that you've helped what are some of the other projects that you've dipped your toe in oh um the native group smudging space at the high school I designed that at the end of my sophomore year and was a part of the group that built it in my year what's one thing you're proud of that you've been involved in um I would say a recent project which was a saber showcase um because we encountered about 50 people kids specifically from the high school and that was very shocking what do you want to leave us with yeah our NASA hunch um project we created a prototype for NASA about six months and presenting it at the end of February FAS of the coup we can talk for hours chair Smith but I know you have an agenda but that is what this team wanted to share so happy to close it out before they move on yeah it's just amazing this always the the best part of the meeting for for us it's uh it's always great to see than yeah please I'll just say one thing um as students you have a mentor currently and as you are going through this experience make sure that you remember what they did for you and that you carry that forward because someday you will be a mentor you will be a leader in whatever career path that you choose and that you can help somebody and just remember what you're going through today because it is invaluable of what you can give somebody in the future I know that as I still am in contact with the first manager I ever had outside of when I graduated from college and that's over 30 years ago so just remember those relationships because they're so important as you go through your career and what they did for you you can then give to an employee that you might have to Mentor something Applause I think you [Applause] next our agenda is item four the consideration of the agenda as presented I'll make a motion to approve second have a motion by Aldrich and a second by Peterson any discussion all those in favor I I oppos motion carries next our agenda is item five public comment this is the time where members of the public can participate in the meeting without being part of the meeting agenda a member of the public May address the board on an agenda topic or on another topic we allocate a total of 15 minutes for public comment at this meeting each individual speaker may speak for up to 2.5 minutes the sign up for public comment has been conducted online and in person prior to this evening's meeting requests are not processed on an overall first com first sered basis there is an element of first come first sered representing a specific viewpoint on a particular topic if more than six speakers sign up for public comment topics and speakers will be prioritized topics on this evening's agenda take priority over those topics not on the agenda speakers living within the school district take priority over those from outside the district when speakers plan to share different perspectives on the same top topic an effort is made to balance the quantity of speakers on each side of the topic public comment is conducted in accordance with school board policy 206 which can be found on the school district website persons who wish to address the school board during public comment must sign up prior to the start of the school board meeting and should provide their name and the subject to which comments pertain only those persons who have been recognized by the board chair will be allowed to speak during public comment or at any time during the school board meeting for that matter no personal attacks will be allowed on any District employee including school board members welcome thank you all right my name is Robin Hansen I have been a physical education teacher at Sweeny Elementary since 2003 I have two children in the shaki schools both of whom went to Sweeney I'm also a Community member on Thursday morning Elementary principles met with their Specialists and informed us of a new specialist schedule that's going to be adopted for next year and goes to vote for approval at Monday's board meeting I'm here tonight to speak on behalf of 63 students who attend Sweeney Elementary our students at Sweeney are used to 40% of their specialist time being fed this will drop to 25% which is almost half we have an excellent curriculum full of diverse engaging activities station day obstacle course cup stacking track and field day cosmic bowling dance bad mitton team building on and on something will have to go I speak tonight for the kids who enter the building each morning asking do I have PE today what are we doing in today whose class are we with for fed today I speak tonight for the kids who struggle with attention and focus who need the movement offered in gym I speak tonight for the sped kids especially the center-based kids who cannot spend significant time in their classrooms or at some of the Specialists these kids are in PE every day with their peers I speak tonight for the emotionally and behavior behaviorally challenged kids these kids function so well in the gym where they are not triggered by academic rigor I speak tonight for the natural Athletic kids who get a chance to use their talents in the gym I speak tonight for the kids who are not naturally athletic who have a safe space to participate any different activities I speak tonight for the kids who have physical and mental Wellness needs that are no longer going to be met their physical and mental health needs need to come before reading writing and math I speak for 603 Sweeney students who line up to leave the gym with sweatshirts off sweaty faces and wet hair these kids will be negatively impacted by losing almost half of their fet time recess is not enough kids need time in a structured environment to be active and learn lifelong Real World skills I never in a million years thought shaki would propose to decrease by end time behaviors will increase focus and attention will decrease what I ask of you tonight is to pause before you vote on this new schedule please ask questions and be informed the feeling of this to me is non-transparent this has not been communicated nor has there been any time for feedback this is going to be a huge insult to our community who simply asks for transparency and communication in a district that advertises doing what is best for kids I ask can you confidently say that you believe this is what is best for 603 kids at Sweeney and all of our other elementary school kids thank you next is uh Julie Spindler welcome thank you hello my name is Julie Spindler I have lived in shaki for 17 years I'm a parent and I'm a music educator of 26 years I'm here tonight in support of both the fied program and the fifth grade Band program both are extremely important and there should not be any Cuts in these areas but I'm here to to specifically talk about band since that's very near and dear to my heart uh anyone who has participated in the Band program knows that there are three essential components to a band program there are lessons for the 10 different instruments that are in the band there are band rehearsals and there are band concerts it is a performing Ensemble after all it would be devastating to The District Band program for years to come if any of these three components were cut or diminished in any way if I were to compare band to a sport let's say soccer um it would be like having kids learn a few drills and that would be it no scrimmages no games no tournaments so many skills would be missed individually and as a team and KS kids would eventually not want to participate it would function the exact same way with brand if the end goal is to get more kids involved this is not the way to do it I also feel that the district is not being transparent and is using language in their presentation this evening that make it sound like there aren't any Cuts but there are there may not be an FTE cut but there's a huge cut in instructional time for fifth graders in band this is the time to invest in the foundation of the band program even if full band is still a part of this experience it'd be impossible to have a more personalized small group band experience and my daughter Jenna here uh she participates in the eighth grade band and when she was in fifth grade fifth grade band was cut um I would like for her to answer a couple questions and share about her experience with band uh Jenna what do you love or what do you get out of the large group band experience you learn how partnership works and learn how to play an instrument you also learn how to express yourself with these instruments and band provides a vast enjoyment for students everyone in V is community uh what do you love or what you get out of CCS you get being proud of yourself for accomplishing and working so hard on a piece and a moment of satisfaction for all students a moment to remember as you get older and can you tell me how the cuts back in 2122 affected your group of uh eighth graders this affected Us by making both seventh grade band and eighth grade band combined together and it was also quite saddening because of all the experience I missed du to cuts and if the end goal is to get more kids involved um we just want to make sure that at least um at the very least uh pause um and in the end do what's best for kids thank you next up is uh Andrew and Katie Nelson with son Adam hope I got everybody's names right on there we did all right welcome hi my name is Adam Nelson and I am a second grader at Eagle Creek Elementary since I was 2 years old I have been dreaming about my turn to join the fifth grade band with my friends I love love music I had used to play dress up and as used as a marching band conductor and famous saxophonist I played many forend concerts for my family and this year I asked for a drum pad kit set for Christmas I have watched both of my sisters start band in fifth grade grade I have cheered them on on as they have continued in Middle School and High School playing in concerts Jazz and marching bands I am so excited for my turn too please don't take away my chance to play in band in fifth grade with my friends thank you for listening as parents of elementary middle and high school students in our district we have been Avid supporters of the Arts Athletics and academics of Shaka schools for many years When the Levy was up for a vote both times we stepped up to support the vote Yes campaign to not only protect our teachers and class sizes but largely to bring back the fifth grade Band program that we value so much we struggle to see how cuts to the music and PE program will be used as best practice for Young Learners and their diverse needs music and PE both develop problem solving skills discipline perseverance teamwork cooperation and stress relief in a world with growing mental health challenges even amongst our youngest Learners we ask you to delay the vote on tonight's proposal to change the elementary specialist rotation schedules if changes to the elementary specialist schedules are needed is important to look at what years of research shows in support of music and PE education and to utilize the experts in the specialist Fields our teachers to make these changes and to build cohesiveness throughout our buildings above all else we ask you to make a decision that will truly be best for kids they should always be the center of our focus and number one priority when making decisions in our district [Applause] next we have Sarah bber hope I said that right that was perfect welcome hello my name is Sarah bber and I am the media specialist at Red Oak and Eagle Creek Elementary I'm asking that the board postpone the vote on the elementary structure proposal this is a plan that impacts all Elementary staff and Specialists were the only ones invited to a meeting to learn about the changes at the very least all staff should be informed of the plan before it is improved approved by the board While most staff agree that the specialist schedule needs to change this new proposal greatly reduces the amount of PE for every Elementary student in the district opting for a 5-day specialist structure with two days for PE instead of a 4-day rotation would allow students the same amount of PE time as the current schedule the new proposal also completely eliminates the media program media has been part of the specialist program for over 20 years when the new curriculum was designed 3 years ago it was written with a stem focus at the request of principles depending on the grade level stem lessons make up 60 to 80% of the media curriculum while also integrating reading and literacy which are essential skills for elementary students changing this position to a stem only Focus eliminates that literary connection it is also important to note that there is not a stem teaching license or endorsement offered by the state so this position would be open to any person with any Elementary license regardless of the content area while stem experience is preferred it's not a job requirement media Specialists on the other hand are licensed by the state and go through extensive training incorporating technology and all academic areas usually C in a master's degree please give Elementary staff the ability to learn about this plan and provide input before a decision is made to adopt the program this is a major change and staff deserve to have the information ahead of time not presented after the pro proposal has been approved by the district thank you and our last speaker is Wade Laughlin hello School Board my name is Wade Laughlin I'm the parent of a sixth seventh and ninth grader here in the district and like my neighbors back here i' encourage you to uh listen to the proposed Elementary structure changes with a healthy dose of skepticism kind of on the opposite side of what Mr Nelson so eloquently said I have kids who have gone through the elementary system and have had abolutely second to nonone experience in physical education at program at Sweeney I have kids who are very interested in uh Athletics and I have reluctant participants you could say in my own household and both of them have been served perfectly by our programs here and any less time invested in that simply wouldn't work there's an overwhelming amount of brain research about how much movement and physical activity and playtime for elementary schools influences brain development on the Fine Art side I've been able to see my kids grow and develop as a direct result of their involvement in fifth grade band and to be able to see the opportunities that my kids are going to get and are currently getting at the high school where they can participate in marching band precussion Ensemble different choir and band opportunities as they go through which would not have been possible with a reduced fifth grade band experience time and so I like my neighbors encourage you to listen carefully to the proposed Elementary structures I realized I can't imagine the difficulty in structuring an elementary school program and I realized the push to involve more stem but I can say again as a parent my own household my kids who have been involved in or gotten interested in stem as their lives have developed has been an outgrowth of their Natural Curiosity that's been fostered in our elementary school system and not as a result of any kind of directed activity or study they're kids and they need to play and they need the opportunity to learn and practice and music and band has been a huge part of life and our household and one of the reasons that we've stayed in this District thank you thank you to all our speakers next in our agenda is item six the consent agenda see we have Personnel items approval of Schoolboard meeting minutes bills authorizations wire reports and a field trip approval I'll make a motion to approve second we have a motion by broi a second by aldrid any discussion can I go on the Japan trip I hearing no other discussion all those in favor I oppose motion carries next on our agenda is item seven this a resolution for our uh donations approval I would entertain a motion to approve so move second the motion by Aldrich and a second by Johnson any discussion hearing none Tiffany can you please do the role broy yes Zid yes Valdez yes Peterson yes Smith yes alridge yes Johnson yes resolution passes next in our agenda are two information items item 8.1 is the introduction of the squires walburger and mace uh preferred attorneys for our Shak public schools and here with us is mck wburg you want us to sit at the table or stand here good or you want to stand you can stand sure we'll take a quick seat well good evening members of the board my name is Mick walsburg and I'm one of the shareholders at Squire's walburger and mates and I brought a couple of team members with me Abby kelzer is also one of the partners at the firm and Mike Irvin as well and we just wanted to be able to stop by and say hi and get to put a face to the name if you will tell us tell you a little bit about ourselves and just so you know a little bit about me and a firm philosophy I've been practicing law for 30 years now and 20 eight of those have been representing school districts our firm is the largest school law firm in the state of Minnesota we represent predominantly public entities cities counties and school districts and school districts is the largest part of what we do so we really focus in and try to make sure that we are the most knowledgeable group that there is out there in that area and we really utilize a team approach which makes us really different from a lot of the law firms you'll see TV shows where um lawyers are trying to grab clients and hold on to those clients and nobody can you know touch them we don't do any of that you know we really work as a team and so there going to be areas for example where Abby has greater expertise or Mike has greater expertise than me or maybe you know other folks in The Firm I don't do real estate well for example but we have people who really do quite a bit of that and so by working with us what you get is the opportunity to have whoever is most knowledgeable in the area at any given point in time be the one who's doing the work for you so I'm not Reinventing the wheel trying to hold on tightly to to one particular client and the other thing that you get really is uh the opportunity to have somebody available at all times I do a lot of litigation I'm in hearings I'm in Trials I'm in federal court state court before administrative hearing officers and when that happens I'm not available when people call and ask questions and by working with our team deers are going to make sure you have somebody available so with that I'm going to let Abby and Mike introduce themselves and tell you a little about about who they are and we'll kind of go from there yeah I'll go first so Mike Irvin um I've been practicing law for nine years out of law school I went to William Mitchell before became Mitchell Hamlin I clerked for a judge at the Minnesota court of appeals for a year so that was a really great experience kind of like the mentorship that you were talking about earlier I really benefited from that then I've bet been at our firm for the last eight years practicing primarily in school law um and I have a young daughter who is 5 months old who looking forward to get home to tonight but I feel like I have a vested interest in uh the school system and making sure that it's stewarded well for people like my daughter who are coming into the system hello I'm Abby kelzer I have been practicing law actually as long as mik C we graduated law school the same year uh before I joined the firm I actually clerked for a judge in chapy for a couple years um so it's nice to be back in chapy I don't get down here too often anymore um I've been at the firm ever since I finished my clerkship with that judge in sh um and I think it's really important to um practice uh cost effective And Timely law for for School District clients that's usually really important um to you guys that we get back to you in a timely manner and um that's something we kind of pride ourselves on uh at firm and I do personally too and I've had experience working with some of you in different uh contents and uh certainly with mik as well and so if you have any questions happy to answer any questions you have although I understand you have some really important stuff on that agenda well thank you for the opportunity to come and say just one thing and I know I've shared it with the board that you know I one of the things that we really appreciate we had mentioned as we were considering kind of the the change of preferred attorneys that were part of our organization meeting in January was it appeared to be like really proactive and doing a lot of light work and getting I mean really it it you know was kind of what we were thinking and we had seen and we had talked to some other folks in the short time that they've been our preferred attorne is a little little bit less than a month we've already seen a couple pretty important things where before we even ask there's information hey you want to be aware of this this is going on this is this might change you know an msba policy things like that and again you know we the responsiveness in terms of the questions and the answers quickly and just really really appreciate that really appreciate that attention to detail uh and you know I I see no indication to what you said about trying to be the most knowledgeable best resource uh for you know Educational Systems and districts in our state uh that appears to all be very very true so hopefully that continues uh but we've really really enjoyed the early experiences and uh appreciate uh what you've been doing for thank you appreciate it thank you thank next on our agenda is another information item item 8.2 facility rentals update and here to present is Lisa Ron our director of Community Education and Jamie Gman our facility use specialist welcome thank you thank you chair Smith for uh giving us the opportunity to present an update to you and members of the board um we've been working hard in facilities over the last few years and it's it's really nice for us to be able to present an update to you I'm Lisa Ron the Community Education director and I'm going to hand it over to Jamie who does the brunt of all the work in facilities and and um then we'll have time for questions afterwards all right and as Lisa said I'm Jamie grman and I'm the facilities youth specialist and uh we start here with our compelling Vision uh and that's just more of that's our Guiding Light so as we kind of set our goals for our each and every year um we kind of use that as our starting point and move from there um so with our compelling vision in mind we we set out to provide our community with use of state-of-the art facilities and spaces we want to use those spaces to generate revenue for ongoing maintenance of our facilities and keep them the way they are and then also we want to generate Revenue to enhance our current facilities maybe expand on those in some at some point um we'll go into highlights I'm not going to go through all of the highlights I think the one thing I want to point out is if you look at each and every year from 2021 until currently um our large events which is the bulk of our Revenue um have increased pretty dramatically since 2021 and increased every single year um we've tried a bunch of different things and new things this year um we have a couple of our primary groups in our primary Market in our Sports of like basketball gymnastics um and dance that are good partners we would say um we we are we have a good relationship with a lot of people in those communities they use our buildings over and over and then we get good recommendations to other groups that we can trust to use our spaces um but with some of these other things we've tried some new areas to try to get into other areas of the season so right now we'll get into it a little bit later but we have certain periods of our year which are really really crazy busy and then we have some periods of our year where we me are some areas for growth um and that's kind of some of these highlights are trying to find some other groups that could be good partners like our dance and our sports groups and I think you you know with the renovation of um West Middle School theater um that has created a a good spot for rentals as well and so we'll see some increases in that area in this this year and years to come um as we kind of evaluate our our room and spaces for expansion um these are kind of some of the thoughts and challenges um when we look at different times of the year so our summertime we have a lot of space available in our late afternoons and evenings our high school teams use a bulk of the morning time um it's not an ideal time but it's an area that we can think we can continue to grow um theater spaces are typically open but that's usually a time that we do maintenance on those spaces and redo the floors and get them ready for fall plays and fall kickoff and all that all those areas um looking at our turf spaces it's an area that we feel is underutilized we're not really sure why and I think part of that is the cost of that space right now um so we're kind of looking at that space and seeing if there's a way that we can get more usage out of that and more people using those spaces um another area for growth is our outdoor spaces um we'll talk about that later um we have outdoor spaces a lot of them aren't preferred by groups based on just the condition and what it takes to keep those spaces in good condition um when we look at our fall it's another opportunity for pay some growth indoors um it's an underutilized time for our gyms and space spaces and we have less fall sports that are using those spaces at that time uh winter and spring are heavily used times there are some minor options or op spots for growth there um but minimal we put together kind of a chart here and you can see the areas in red where there's really kind of as we look at is those are main areas for growth um and then maybe some minor spots and some of that black um and there the next slide I'll kind of talk through as you have time to kind of take that in um indoor growth as I talked about summer afternoon and evening hours our fall gym space um Leisa mentioned it our theater space at West Middle School has been renovated and we have more use this year and we think going forward that will be another spot that will get used a lot more in the future uh outdoor growth we have lots of openings in the summer and fall um some of the considerations with that would be our indoor space sometimes bumps up against school activities or School usage I know this spring Alone um we had three of our our partners that are have been longtime users of our space that we weren't able to have back this spring because there was conflict with um a a state speech tournament and a state dance tournament and some and some other things so sometimes we we want to make sure that our school groups and our users get preference and sometimes that bumps some of our external users um the nice part is all the three groups I got bumped um have indicated that they want to return in 2026 um and we're very understanding that uh our school groups come first um and then outdoor I mentioned it before outdoor growth is possible but that would probably inquire uh incur some cost as we look at how we upkeep our spaces to make sure that there there are spaces that people want to pay to use um that's all I have some of the things that we've spent our money on so with our Revenue as we talked about enhancing our spaces and making them um keeping them at the way they are for enhancing them um we've installed a TV above the concession stand at the high school and then purchased another TV that is a moving space um our rental groups have really enjoyed that because we're able to put their concession menus on it we're able to put um rolling information about their event that day sometimes it's picture sometimes it's just the layout of of where spaces are or just information for their people using it um we' helped with the cost and upgrades to our theater lighting our theater lighting had been deteriorating over the years um and so there was a big project this year that was about $37,000 and we contributed to help get that space up and going where now that project is done and we we very excited to get groups back in there now that the lights are better um in our gymnasium spaces at the high school um we the one of our spaces our newer space the Fieldhouse was on a what's called a Creston system which is an iPad that controls all the hoops and all that type of stuff um we that that needed an update just for usability spaces and when we did the update for that we put that same iPad system in our main gym and our auxiliary gym um because those are a couple pinch points for some of our spaces on getting Hoops down and getting spaces ready um it's been a great addition to our space and I think it's been liked by our staff in the building and definitely liked by our staff as we're running events um also paying for updating our stage floors more often because they do get the wear and tear um the pipe and drape we're buying because it helps us make sure that that multiple events can go on safely at the same time so when we're using classrooms as changing rooms um we want that up outside just so if people are in the hallway um we're not running into any issues of using multiple groups using similar spaces um and then one other thing we did with one thing that we're hearing and we understand is um with the increase rental there becomes a stress on our buildings and some of our Personnel um so and one of those big stressors is on our custodial staff so this year we went to an alternating weekends and uh some of our elementary schools are shut down for two weeks at a time so we'll have three open on two weekends and three are closed and then we rotate that to give our custodial time some staff some time off and then also allows those staff to maybe pick up some of our ships at the high school when they're available as well um areas for growth um continue to look at our spaces and the downtimes and how we how we can use them um looking at the Creston system we put in potentially maybe expanding out to West Middle School and East Middle School because those are those are some higher level gyms that have more than just Hoops to raise and lower um so maybe putting those in spaces um increase usages in uh our theater space at West Middle School um we' have been working with our Chamber of Commerce they uh they are a great partner to help us find groups that maybe aren't our normal Partners to help us expand into the areas that maybe times of the year or spaces that we don't normally use um using them to generate some other ideas to get people in one of those ideas that we've of increased this year is um craft fairs in the fall our gym space is open in the fall and we're finding that that's a good craft fair market so we have we have one that we host for our senior grad party group we have two other groups that are potentially coming in this fall um so looking at maybe that would be a partner moving forward as well and we just like to acknowledge that there's been um a lot of hard work that's gone into this not only with custodians but you know sometimes facil rentals affect te you know teachers room space and um it you know we have building supervisors that we hire for evenings and weekends and it's it's not just you know one person doing the entire thing it's it's you know it's it's a whole bunch of people that we um certainly couldn't do this without the acknowledgement of those people that helped support our facilities and a lot of people in this room because we use our gyms are probably our most used space and uh and it's I know it's a strain we know it's a strain on those staff because sometimes they have to put stuff away at the end of the night to prepare so other groups can come in but again there are students and our users that are using these spaces at night so we know that uh we really appreciate the support that we get from our school staff as well and then and then this is the budget summary as you can tell from 2021 to last year um and then um as you can see you know we have done a um a pretty decent job of increasing the usage which then increases the revenue and that Revenue can go um towards what some of those things that Jamie mentioned in in this um particular presentation but also um perhaps some other things um that the facilities committee will decide upon so with that we will take questions if you have any are there any advertising resources for commercial spaces like this that you can use to show availability and maybe even some cost bases for groups that are tring and could maybe pick up spots that have been necessarily looking for us yeah so that's one of the things that we're working with the chamber on so there are a couple programs one of the one that we used in the past and we really didn't because I was new um we didn't have time to use it adequately it was play easy and that just it's it's where we can post our spaces to National groups and National groups can look on there for our spaces or we can go out and look for oh there's this tournament that's looking for a home we can put in a bid for it um that since then the chamber had had a subscription to that they've let that go and so now we're working with the chamber there's another group out there that they think that they're going to use that will be better um so that's one of as we talk about being a partner with the chamber that's what we're looking for is more something where we can put our spaces online people can go and see them and then we can find groups looking for homes and then we can say hey we can host that and here's what we can do for you um and then the chamber's also a good partner of they have money that if there's a group that we're trying to get they can maybe help out with some Hotel stuff or some in kind stuff discounts that they will give them um I know we did they did that one we hosted a national dance competition and the first year they were here they they brought down their bill by about $3,000 with money that they got from a hotel uh budget so um so again they're a great partner for us as well but yeah Christine that was pretty much my question but I I do have a comment I mean the groups that I hear from that use our facilities just think they're topnotch and so go to the staff that helps with not only getting them here but also running the buildings and making sure that everything is needed U for all those groups it's it's amazing the comments positive comments that I get about our facilities it's great so yeah it is and our facilities are great and I will say that we have a really we're really lucky to have a lot of really good staff too that help make that help that make the usability exactly too so thank you thank you very much sorry I have one thing so the finance director in the back corner doesn't get mad at me um you pop back one slide oh just to be clear and great job and I like you talked about kind of those ongoing expenses and stuff one of the things when you know early in my 10e you know I heard about hey we're going to have you know we're going to take these revenues and that will help maintain and replace facilities and of course then I asked those questions all where where do we have that have we set that up no and Bill I'd be remiss when they say transferred to fund one if I didn't say there is a committed fund balance you see that uh $287,000 with an aster that is dedicated you know to make sure that we're putting money away to you know some someday we're going to have to replace a turf field you know to do those kind of major projects um so that that doesn't come out of you know another you know Source we're actually taking you know there's wear and tear maybe a bad example you did say that was where you're having trouble renting but uh you know some of the other spaces you talk about theater floors or some of those major projects so it says fund one it's a committed fund balance in fund one for use with facilities type things especially things that uh are part of that rental capacity I'm good now okay thank you thank you next in our agenda is uh item 9.1 investment in Elementary Student Learning elementary structures I'm here to present is Nica summer our assistant director of learning teaching and equity and Stephanie B the eagle principal representing the all of the elementary principles welcome and I did tell them I would I would kind of kick them off because I think there's some pieces you know their presentation been posted that you and again appreciate I thought you captured that well Cher Smith that the fact that people care uh is really really important uh but also you know some think people well why you know why why have they been doing this work where we're at and that really wasn't part of their presentation so I kind of wanted to tee them up that way and again it goes back as as we look at uh kind of our our district um you know there their presentation's going to focus on recommendations to correct operational structural challenges and they're not going to get into the you know where did that come from what is it so I thought I would spend just a minute or two um and our we have an operational structural challenge if you will uh found in our elementary specialist structure structure or rotation I want to be really really clear I put this in parenthesis so I'd be sure to say it this structural challenge has absolutely nothing to do with the performance of our specialist teachers who do an absolutely outstanding job uh providing great services to kids this is the part of an organization that's operational that that has to do with the actual structure itself and our current 10day specialist rotation creates some real real concerning uh scheduling and Staffing inefficiencies if you will and those do continue to adversely impact student learning experiences two quick examples and there's more you know we currently have a a setup where we will you know if we have a 1.0 specialist uh in one of the areas they would actually see in a 10day rotation they would see over 1,200 students one time per student over that 10day period that's a that's a concern it's tough to provide high quality learning experiences with that setup the other thing and we've had this you know really repeatedly you know I I wasn't even when I first got here I'm like what's causing that uh is we run art classes pretty routinely we've got one at uh Red Oak currently 45 students in an art class so that is the motivation uh knowing that uh certainly uh there's a lot of challenges um and also you know want to say that uh you know the 4-day rotation that they're going to talk about along with moving and I want to be really specific here full band outside the specialist rotation not outside our school district you know we want to retain that um you know doing those two things will improve the two problems mentioned previously and that's you know again there's a lot of ways to look at that um I also want to point out that uh these problems have been with us for a long time over a decade and there's been a lot of different discussions there's kind of a weird sort of a Twist of Faith you know I happen to do some research on this nine years ago uh a committee was formed to come up with a you know improve our situation the leader of that assigned uh Nic a summer in a different role with our learning teaching and Equity we had some issues with the superintendent then it kind of got lost in the shuffle but they've been conversations for a long time our principles and our leaders of our learning teaching and Equity Department you know they've been studying the problems they've been gathering information they've been really working I would say for the last three years ratcheting that up uh in the last kind of 8 to 10 months uh and I do greatly appreciate the work that they're doing I also greatly appreciate the sharing of of different perspectives uh but I appreciate the work done by the principal our elementary principles and our members of our learning teaching and Equity team uh I do support that work and the recommendations that they're going to share to move from a 10day to a 4-day specialist rotation and move from a full you know move the full band outside the specialist rotation again no they'll talk about that but no decrease in our our band FTE uh I do support their their recommendations and know they've worked very hard and also look forward to a robust discussion um you know prepped them and said hey I'd expect some really tough questions from our school board members uh I believe they welcome that and and you know want to talk about the the why and the what and so uh without any further Ado please thank you um so just want to first start with the the big picture that we have been talking about um since I started my role last spring uh that started with the kickoff of our math implementation um and at the time we recognized some of the time constraints in our day right that we needed to be uh really investigating and addressing and so um I've been here several times to kind of share with you updates around the curricular pieces of the work that we've been studying and looking at and today we're here to kind of really focus in on one aspect of that which is our 10day rotation yeah and um as Dr redond said the recommendations that we're bringing forward to you as the board are two so moving from that 10day specialist rotation right now they're 10-day rotation to and then to a 4 day rotation and then also to move full band outside the specialist rotation we're not recommending to remove full band from elementary at all um but right now as it is the full band experience is within the specialist rotation um in that 10day and then I was just going to say that there's with seven to eight months before the 25 26 school year starts there's lots of programmatic changes that needs to be happening and we have a plan to in include lots of teacher voice and um lots of our Specialists and so that's coming forth from the slideback this graphic just outlines what you've already heard a little bit so in a 10-day rotation um currently fed sees students four times music or band sees students three times art sees them twice in that 10A rotation and medial once that's 40 30 20 10 yes so then when you take it down from 10 to a 4 day rotation the students will be getting fed music art and then STEM Science technology engineering and math um each of one day out of that 4 day rotation which is 25% it's it's not equivalent to if you were to take four to 10 I don't know what that math is but in a 4day rotation then yes it seems like it's 25% and just to reiterate that the total ban FTE is not going to be reduced we still are going to have lessons and that's coming up in the slide here we're just removing that full band from the music um rotation so um just to kind of give you an overall picture of the stem um position the current media specialist um which Sarah did speak to earlier is um doing uh quite a few stem lessons already so we would like to build off of those lessons um and capitalize on some of the media literacy digital literacy standards that we are required to teach um and then also ensure that we're providing um really Hands-On active lessons for students around kind of authentic learning experiences that are STEM related and and really working to align those to our Academy model this just shows the um the changes the FTE changes in the proposed shift from the 10day to the 4day [Music] rotation and then this kind of shows what we mentioned earlier those next steps this is the programming work that we will need to do um to be ready to roll this out in the fall um and again this kind of speaks to more of the comprehensive approach that we've been looking at so you're going to see that required minute allocations those are things that are articulation teams are going to be revisiting um based on our Ela curriculum adoptions and we're revisiting that with our math team later this week um we will be looking at our high potential Young Scholars Program making enhancements there um and you can just see the timeline for the work to be done designing our curriculum redesigning Elementary band with our band teachers and then making those updates we would need to make to implement the 4-day uh rotation so as we talked about um there'd be a lot of work that would happen this spring which is very exciting um as she alluded to with the new math and then an upcoming Ela um new comprehensive curriculum there's a there's a this is an great opportunity to look at how we structure our day so currently there is a document out there that says that gives recommendations for minutes for language arts for math for science and social studies and then of course you have fied for specialist recess and lunch and so it's a great opportunity to relook at that with the new adoptions of these new curriculums that call for um more students to be in class for that core time um we're also committing to create a focused win time at each Elementary School win stands for when I need so that there's a specific set of time during the school day where students do have access to their enrichment to intervention services and other support services that they might have um such as special education or um multilingual services and um as I mentioned earlier really diving into our high potential and Young Scholars Program um we are looking to really align again this programming to the 612 model um and as you are aware that that programming has eliminated um identification for advanced courses um so our goal is to really find ways for more students to participate in enrichment opportunities um and then continuing that focus on those unique learning needs of academically Advanced students so band um y as we mentioned this will continue at the elementary both um in lessons and hopefully rehearsal we did put on that we want band specialist to help us redesign what band would look like for that rehearsal portion of it given that we're taking it out of the specialist rotation but it was never mentioned that we were not going to be doing a full band or rehearsal opportunity concerts um and so this is we still want to um Inspire students to join band and hopefully help feed that enjoyment of band into the middle school and high school and then you saw reference to a districtwide media specialist currently our 62 um schools have a 1.0 media specialist and we are looking to create a parallel structure at the elementary level where we have one K5 media specialist that works on the collection get of course but also supports um our partnership with a comprehensive literacy framework really digging in and promoting literacy the joy and the love of reading um connecting with County Partners um and really promoting again that that joy and love of reading um throughout our buildings and you know pending tonight um we we want to communicate and celebrate the potential changes we are hoping to make um and really lean into the the opportunities that we believe this shift will have for our students and this brings it full circle to what Dr edman started with like our goal is to create a better support and higher quality learning experience for our students um and we believe that this will do that that we this um this graphic basically highlights that we are are multiple different elementaries and buildings but we're one district and so we're excited to um have this guaranteed and viable curriculum at all Sites CH Smith if I could first of all I'd like to thank all of our community members for coming tonight and sharing their thoughts and ideas and I'd also like to thank Nika and Stephanie for for sharing this plan and our elementary principles for all the hours and work that have gone into developing it um you know niika referenced at the start that N9 years ago was uh a start in this process that then that then ended that was around the same time roughly a year after we completed work on the Academy of shaki um and I was a middle school principal at that time so I I went through that process and I would say that at the time that we went through the Academy's process there were a lot of questions much like there are now um you know people with differing opinions we we definitely came up with a framework at that time we spent a lot of time Gathering teacher voice you know much as like is being laid out here tonight when we got into the final planning stages to make sure that you know as we as we made these moves as we developed Pathways as we developed courses you know we made sure that the experts were at the table and providing the input and structure that was needed so it was a difficult change then and I I remember having a lot of conversation with teachers and teacher leaders about how that felt um the challenges that they were taking on and we got through it and I would I would say that if I went back and talked to those same teachers today they feel very good about the shifts that we've made so um I just want to put that out there and again I want to thank everybody for their work on this uh on this process and I I hope that we have the opportunity to take the next steps thank you J all right so um we've heard from the community' heard from the community tonight um we've heard from the community over the weekend via texts and emails so we have a lot of questions for you you um so to preface that uh wait for the chair to to acknowledge you so you can ask your question everybody will get a chance to ask ask the questions they want um I'm going to go around and make sure that we're spreading out the opportunities to ask questions um so if if you haven't gotten my attention you know raise your hand so so I and I will recognize you ask questions um who would like to start Caroline so I know that you guys did a lot of work and you had a focus group but the people that are really truly affected were they part of the conversation to make these decisions so in terms of uh involvement um we we did a lot of different things to try to collect data to help make this decision right so we have done um surveys of certified staff we did a survey of certified staff kind of a Time study I'm looking at everything from do you feel like you have enough minutes to teach your curriculum what's working what's not working um and we have had you know again in the larger context of all of the work that we're doing the math articulation team with recommending minutes our Ela team will be recommending minutes um we've had one-on-one meetings and a group meeting with our HP teach we have met and had the sea exec reps um in October kind of Identify some of those key sticking points and problems and then we've done some site visits specifically looking at things like breakfast right so again that whole comprehensive piece of the puzzle in terms of the specific decision around the 10day to the 4 day um that really has been a leadership decision and collectively um we believe that it would be unfair to pit teachers against each other in determining um you know which content specialist should take priority over another first rock paper scissors I'll go we in many different meetings have talked about how difficult it is to set up a schedule it's uh uh incredibly complex building a schedule that works with everybody in every class I'm just really curious if you gave was why four days why not five days and of the fifth because I'm I think pet is very important and to do a 5day schedule where you have two days of fied and and and everything else exactly the same might not be a bad thing in in my opinion just because I think exercise and and movement is so much needed uh for not only elementary students but for adults for everybody and I just was wondering if if that was ever considered it it was um a 5-day schedule is really 5times two a 10day schedule and so you still would stay with the same amount of PE which would be 68 sections and then you would actually decrease the other three down to 34 each so right now we have an a 10-day rotation 40 30 20 10 it would be I don't know what the percentage it would be but I did the math because I knew that this question was coming that you would still have 68 and then the other three music would go down even more it' be 40 20 20 20 yeah percentage correct yes I'm telling I'm saying the number 34 SE because art right now sees two out of 10 and that's 34 times okay I think whenever you um try to do Beyond an equal amount then it does put value on one over the other sure no I understand EO that in first thank you I know a lot of work has gone into this what nine or 10 years from been making uh no small feat um and and certainly you want to be collaborative and I understand kind of how you got to your um decision from a leadership perspective uh the CDC recommends 150 minutes of activity and activity is actually Loosely defined it's recess and fiad and there's actually I I learn more about this topic in the last 72 hours um which was actually pretty interesting um both in the CDC and then uh shape America the national uh Federation for uh physical Educators um physical F Educators um and so there's pros and cons to you know is it fiad versus recess or is it structured versus unstructured um but the the combined uh amount of that 150 minutes um it there's study after study uh data driven around that emotional well-being and physical health we heard it from Mr Al as well what as a percentage of that time if if let's just pretend that we're hitting the 150 minutes current state what is the amount of activity time recess plus fied and the new model well on the days that they would have recess it would be 80 minutes right so just recess is 80 minutes or or yeah recess is 30 minutes a day 30 so okay so are you saying 150 minutes a week yeah so how do you get to the like if this is activity current state how many minutes of activity fed plus recess exists in the 10day model how much recess plus fed exists in the new model and minutes per R you had to know the finance guys are going to throw math questions at you well 30 * 5 is 50 right so for the the recess yeah and then if you add it in um well because a week is five days so it's a four day week that's 80 minutes on the day that they would have recess well and and the basis for the question is really I get stem in fact is a it Finance I mean I'm all stamp right are we trading the physical activity for more instructional time and what are the what are the U you know unintended consequences social emotional health if I've got a kid who's now behaviorally challenged because he didn't get enough minutes I just disrupted the whole classroom so it isn't just specials it touches the classroom um and so that's why I'm asking in terms of how how much of that activity time is being diminished as a result of this plan I would have to do some math on that um I think one of the things that you know we did look at a lot of districts around us and we looked at what models they have for their specialist schedules and their specialist rotations and there are uh there are some districts that go in 21 day chunk cycles and we don't have data to to Showcase whether or not a 10 to a 4 day is going to result in more behavior issues or or less behavior issues we don't know that yet um I think the the other piece of this is we also looked at recess and how other districts do recess we currently have for example 10 more minutes a day of recess than Eden Prairie so I mean that adds up over time as again play movement um indoor outdoor it's 30 hours that's the that's reduction no I was just saying 30 hours recess than our anybody else was 20 minut whatever thank you Tim can we go back to your first question 30 minutes of recess a day M Jo will check the in his head well 4- day rotation would be 210 minutes and of activity a week on average again 4 day rotation tough to put into a week but 25% of the time 10day rotation be 250 minutes a week so it's a I think was your minut 40 minute cor production Christie I just want to pigy back off of's question a little bit with the CDC and the 150 minutes um I don't think that is 150 minutes is a 5 day a week that would be a seven day a week and that would include activities outside of school right um there that's what I read yeah and it's it's a recommendation not a standard right um yeah and so my question is with with the reduction in what's being proposed for PE Time how does our um the program that the elementary teachers went through with developmental designs where I know that we got some of that education as well of what that meant and how that was going to be implemented and isn't it that the kids are supposed to be moving every I don't remember the exact minute but it was like 10 minutes or 12 minutes or something as far as not sitting at their desk for longer than that to keep them moving and to keep them their brain um fresh stimulated right thank you um so how is that going I I would be curious to know if that's being implemented as we planned because I know that most of the elementary teachers have been trained or have gone through that developmental design program they have and that's actually kind of what I was thinking when you said that because there is so much more movement than when I was in elementary school just in throughout the day um even with our new math students are up they're walking around they're in groups um they're they're moving around playing games and so there is a lot more movement just even invented throughout the day um and I would say say like the stem class I I know we think about that as an instructional class but it's can be very exciting when you're working with what that young man was talking about robots and I mean I know it's different than actually doing fied but it's not I'm not thinking we're sitting in rolls and just listening about Science and Technology and Engineering and math very Hands-On okay yeah so just speaking back on what Joe was asking earlier the alternatives you know a lot of us are crunching this down for in a 3 four day window so far from the information that we're given you guys had a long time to to prepare this and you created and went through a lot of Alternatives different schedules look the districts from what I'm understanding the 5day rotation you don't like because you like the equalness of all four disciplines essentially right and is that just In fairness is there research that these you know are more beneficial than others all of those content areas have specific standards right that they are teaching um and and they all have many of them just like all of our other content areas so I think the the 4-day rotation puts that inance and you know it gives our art teachers opportunities that maybe they haven't had in the past it builds on some of the the work that our media Specialists have done have done um and those standards are expected to be taught and important to be taught and um you know are there and not now being forced into the classroom for classroom teachers to teach so I think that was our rationale for creating a for day where all of those different content areas have equal opportunities did you want I have question ask about band so because I was a lot of back I heard was about ban of course tonight so is it right to say that full band continues but we just don't exactly know how it's designed yet okay yes yeah and that wasn't I mean we have on our timeline that we are going to include the band Specialists to help us design what and if their recommend we weren't feeling Quant and that we a recommendation be was just eliminate it completely so we knew we wanted it out of a specialist rotation for the reasons that Dr Redman talked about it's really hard to predict how many students are going to sign up for band um and if you have like 112 students in fifth grade and only and 40 sign up that's that's a really big section and then that section goes to Art music all the other and then you have small smaller sections so that's one of the biggest challenges okay all right I have I have a question then um so you we saw the rebalancing uh we had we had a speaker earlier saying well this this new model eliminates media you know which is a provocative um and then so we're seeing via decrease media at least on that one slide go away and now 25% for stem what does that mean what are you what are we getting for that because we're teaching science and math in the classrooms already and and you know literacy and so what what is this adding as part of the specialist rotations that we're not getting already so right now I'm you know roughly looking at our Curriculum maps for media um roughly speaking there's 17 lessons I would say 15 of them are grounded in some stem experience it's team building it is coming up with a design process and executing a plan and um and then there are some media literacy standards that we do think are CR critically important to keep learning how to um behave online right learning how to uh find and and utilize online resources those will still be a part of the the stem curriculum it's part of the technology those standards um and it'll hopefully give us more time to do more of that work that right now is so limited because of that 17-day uh that 17-day cycle some of those digital standards and literacy standards that are so important as students are growing up in that this digital world are required um and so we we wanted to maintain that as well and that put that back into the general classroom Mr chair can I just expand on your question um because I had something similar um when it's presented that today there's zero stem from an FP perspective it feels a little misleading and and I'm not suggesting you like you're trying to skew the numbers if we're doing some of this already some of those stem uh you know call it lessons or you know call part of that Core Curriculum in math in reading uh and I would go so far as to say as a kid who was a pre engineering major at one time I could do stem and fied because I could calculate where the basketball's going to go and then throw it and see if it got there um are we literally zero FTE and stem it feels like it's a number bigger than zero specialist yeah but I mean is it semantics is it a specialist or is it as we said there's no lure in stem like why can't I do stem and fied and you know I'm again I'm being a little Sensational but it feels like we can incorporate some of that without such a significant cut particular in the fire space Tim I I can actually that because I alluded to that and I think we heard you know from from a speaker public comment the Specialists that I was talking about we still call it media and again I think you've heard Nic say some of those that's the one that sees 1,200 kids over 10 days right and from a kid standpoint you do that for a year that 10% for a typical Elementary student 17 lessons over a year and currently depends where you're at we heard 60 I've heard 80% um I've heard 15 of the 17 so that's kind of that's the part of this that we've already attempted to do but the current way of doing it when and again I didn't even add you know for that student and I think Nica did those 17 lessons throughout a year because of the way the rotations work and you know you've got each teacher like I said you know if you're a 1.0 specialist in what is currently media which is predominantly stem um that's where that change is looking to make that you know uh more meaningful learning where the the individual teacher doesn't see over 12200 students in a 10-day rotation through the student lens you know they get it once every 10th day and we have a lot of situations it's almost always at least two different teachers in that those 17 days sometimes it's three different teachers and from just a quality of learning student learning opportunity um you know and we've been doing it a long time so I think sometimes we forget about that uh but that is one it just simply you know there there's there's no data or research that says that is a high quality quality learning experience so that that you know trying to explain that in a graph doing whatever we'd end up confusing people even more so I think great question so it's going from you know 80% of what is currently 10% of the specialist rotation so 8% to 25% so there would be a viable meaningful um you know valid curriculum Nick yeah and I agree with you Dr I think that a lot of people have expressed a desire to have a change we've been doing this for 10 years um part of what has kind of been my concerns here is the roll out the timing of this the amount of time we've had to digest and get get feedback from folks and so um you know we've had essentially three days like to to kind of grasp the details of it we knew there was something in the works but the actual compromise between the specialty groups and um so I I I agree that there's a change that needs to be made but I feel like with the presence in the room and the the feedback we've received that that not everybody's had a chance to to have their voices spoken to and I wish that maybe there's a way we can you compromise everybody walks away a little unhappy you know that's going to be the case for all these particular groups I realize that um but I mean so I think I've heard also that there's been talks of like a teacher survey was done like what was the content of that how much did we drag in some of these specialty leaders and the people that are dealing with us on a daily basis so the survey that went out um we had pretty good feedback from specialist teachers and I think it it did raise the the need to address some specific concerns um around the travel that is currently existing for many of our specialist teachers due to this 10day rotation um the um the feeling in some of our content areas that they don't have enough time to teach their standards um the size of the classes which we we talked about with you know the impact the band specialist is having um so those those were definitely heard um and we feel this is the best solution to those problems that were identified I can look up the if you need more time we can ask a different question yeah well just um if you don't mind um just to follow on what what Nick said and uh you know Mr zig's new to the board so probably hasn't seen this as much as the rest of us as we've had previous presentations in the past year um but I think I think what Nick is getting at is you know not just presentations to the board but why is this why does this feel like it just suddenly got dropped on the District staff teachers so suddenly is is what it what it feels like from what I'm hearing from the community um you know I've been aware this has been in the works for some time but it sounds like some affected teachers this is they've just heard within the last few days so I just just kind of building on Nick's question Nick I wanted to ask you as a parent you know you have two children in the elementary school district like what is your thoughts well let it's a good piggyback on what we're talking about here honestly I haven't had time I haven't even seen them since I've learned of this they've been on a scheduled vacation so it's not something that I could ask my kids about and that that would impact my decisions here today but um I feel like this is a pretty clearly it's important to the community it's important to everybody involved and it's a big decision you know semantics semantically there's you know small moving Parts but it's it's has a big impact and so I'd like to see I don't know what the urgency is if we've been doing this for 10 years I'd like to get it right rather than just do something to get it done to make a change and I know you guys have doing way more work than what we're seeing here and that was what I was hopeful to hear from you guys today is to find out what Alternatives you guys went through um what the reasons were that we weren't going to go with this or that and is there a level of importance that we wanted to be all equal I never had even considered that going into this I thought that there's you know there's some folks that look at fed and movement as a necessity not a specialty so you talk about pulling band out and that that's not a specialty but by it is maybe there's talks and arguments to do that as well and I just personally love to see like everybody have a seat at the table and have a discussion with this stuff you know I know it's not always possible with HR decisions I'm not saying you play your full you know and I'm a poker player but definitely some input is that is what I was hoping for and it might not even be necessarily you guys that we're talking about here you know it's this is a whole school thing and we want to have a great culture and everyone wants to to be excited to go to all these things and and get to take advantage of them as we've heard from folks in here that have been in the past one of the voices I think it maybe is missing too that we don't hear right now is the Arts um I but I have heard from my art teacher who does now feel valued and um I think the Arts and the visual arts are very important and right now as it is she sees a student and then seven more date like and it's like okay welcome back what's your name my name is um and that's very challenging and speaking as a parent my two daughters loved arts and so that that would have been really hard for them and they got their Sports and their movement in other ways um I'm not saying that I think Arts is better than pad I'm just saying that that's something that I not hearing today and if I might address kind of Nick's question again I want to go back to your previous one I think it's an important part of this I actually scribbled it out of my original notes side notes said it was baseball when it I think we talked about it briefly but when it breaks you know four is different than five five because four you know four rotations or four specialist four days uh it's divisible it's interchangeable and then if you make alterations with one within one it's transferable does that mean you can't do a 5day rotation no you can um a five rot day rotation would be better than a 10day rotation uh but in terms of operational efficiency which is what is at the root of some of the you know really the the the most grave concerns um the 4 day rotation is better than that and there's always value judgments I'm gonna kind of tie Jeff's question in a little bit you know how did it happen and I think sometimes you know there's a part of all of these processes this one like we talked about there's stuff that started N9 years ago um I heard from a principal today something was seven years ago I know there was something three years ago you know and even that survey which you know is the part of hey what's working what isn't how are we using time really really important information and I think sometimes you know and I would argue and not knowing all the details of all the past ones but familiar with the you know there was an effort about four years ago and why it failed at some point there there are only so many people who have a good understanding of all the operational kind of the inner workings of the scheduling who also have a deep knowledge of every you know and I mentioned everything our Specialists do they do great things there's there's a lot of passion there's great things there's standards in every area um and ultimately and I Nick I think you mentioned it really well it it's really unfair to bring a group of four different teachers kind of different Specialists come in and go hey yep it's a zero sum game work it out um I think that's where the other processes fell apart so the people that were brought in given all that information were our learning teaching and Equity folks with Elementary expertise and then we've got four our four other Elementary principles are are here as well so our five elementary principles because they're the ones best versed in all of those things um a and again there's another component of boy you start talking about things too generally too early and we say hey we're revamping The Specialist system now every specialist goes oh my God is my I to lose my job is going to be reduced what's going to happen and that then creates a spin-off you know of well what's real what's what's even on the table and I would you know kind of use we've had some you know and I feel bad uh when I hear you know this idea about full band being pulled out of the specialist rotation there was never this group's reports I've never heard them say they weren't going to do full band I know they fully intend to do full band but they recognize that when it's in the rotation and the numbers get you know above 28 in a band well now you got these other classes an art class with 45 kids in an Elementary classroom doesn't function well um and so it's trying to balance that where you get to a point to bring It Forward um in hindsight was been great you know a week earlier uh where you have personal individual discussions with the people that are ultimately going to be impacted which were which were hell and again that's even complex because if we talk about the the three fed teachers we're we're a seniority oriented organization well they're in different buildings they're not even all in the elementary I think one's in middle school I'm looking at Jim one's in the high school those conversations were had the explanation again which I've even seen question you know I've gotten questions on they're not going to lose a job well what's going to happen to them well we're going to tell them what we thinks you know there there's different things and so there's a a real human element and trying to do that there's no perfect way to do it um and again the intent is absolutely you know not to not to do anything without transparency we even had a discussion which I'll share here probably I think it was December uh you know prior to you know setting our organizational meeting talking a little bit about January meetings going is this a decision that is management meaning it's mine and the you know the school administrators and District administrators or is it governance it kind of falls in the middle but we decided to actually put it on the board agenda because that felt more transparent to have a meeting give people time to speak and again you know we can go back I can go back and look through the process I can find plenty you know I'll be the toughest critic I always have been even when I was coaching doing things like that yeah could we have done that better yep hindsight's always beautiful so trying to you know give a sense of that and again no it's imperfect and and I welcome that I don't think there's a perfect process I also know that you know hey these things feel very personal I actually appreciate and admire that in others and it shows so much how you know you care but there is you know unless we're expanding the resources expanding the time which is not on the table you know it becomes a tradeoff you know within that system and if you expand something you know again you know you you might make an argument go yeah 1,200 students in a 10-day rotation for one instructor yeah that's fine we're good we've been doing it I personally don't think that's good and think that is you know concerning and that concern has been raised dos of times you know even in the last couple of years and in that most recent survey so Mr chair I me yeah and to your point Dr Redmond um I commend the district leadership for making this transparent uh you know that's why we have have the voices in the room uh this could have been done again more on a managerial basis but bringing it to the to this group so we can have a good open honest conversation very much appreciate that um just in terms of thinking like where does the board fit into this um is it budget neutral yep so not doesn't not a board decision are we teaching to the standards yeah right that's it's meeting that education model and again from 50,000 foot level we've got these kind of pillars that we manage ourselves to uh are we providing the best service to these students in the classroom I think that's for the board ourselves right is this what we feel is best for students and student outcomes uh and I of course have to steal the you know the compelling Vision moral it's our moral imperative to change until what all our systems measurably work this is a what I'll call a great draft what we know though is there are still some open questions about what the outcome can be how do we measure success there's still some open questions about what are we doing with band if we're pulling it out of music and what are the potential unintended consequences of reducing activity time from a students's emotional health and wellness perspective I think the board gets to weigh in on that thank you Christin um thinking about the classroom teachers we talked a lot about the Specialists we haven't really talked about our classroom teachers that spend majority of their day with all students um what impact will this have on them I know that we've invested millions of dollars in new curriculum with math um a couple years ago was science um we know the read Act is coming and that is requiring a lot of time and effort on our teachers part um so I'm curious as to what impact if this plan is approved tonight what is the impact on the classroom teacher so if I'm a third grade or a kindergarten teacher what does that mean for me from a 10day to a 4-day rotation it means um well it's going to be easier um why why is it easier well I just every day one we have fed every day two we have art every day three we I mean even for families I feel like that is easier than and I and I I get that they do a really good job of communicating but right now it's not consistent consistent like that at all um it could have an unintended consequence of what you said if um if we thought that the less Fed was going to imp like I don't know if right now they say on the days that their students don't have fied that their behaviors go up I so is it to just expand on that do you think [Music] that we talk a lot about individualized learning that every student is different and every student's needs are different in our school and in the classroom well this this allow our classroom teachers to be have more instructional time focus on those areas or is that does it the classroom is really not impacted as far as learning time with the students with this new curriculum I haven't figured that out yet reading a m well I'm just as as a whole so if I'm a classroom teacher outside of consistency and knowing every four days versus the 10day and all that the weirdness that's with that because I know there is some qus is it to my benefit as a teacher or it really doesn't matter to me what what happens whether it's 4 day or 10 day or five days or 20 days I think that would be a great question to ask our teachers I mean I don't have uh I don't want to speak for um teachers currently in the room I can speak to when I was a teacher in an elementary school 10 years ago um you know I was responsible for teaching my guaranteed and viable curriculum I didn't always know what was happening in the specialist content areas um so you know would it have impacted me personally no not unless there was an intentional design to actually take standards that I was teaching and put them into those specialist areas um I will say that that is an opportunity with the design of the stem specialist position to ensure that we're reinforcing some of those very critical math standards some of those critical engineering standards that are are much more grounded in practices than necessarily just content um so I think that is a value ad for classroom teachers to have what they're teaching reinforced in those very specialist areas Chad um so I guess this is a a statement not a question um and I'll just speak it openly into the room because I don't know exactly it should be directed to but I would have uh I think a lot of this stress could have been assuaged had we seen this level of the detail earlier before we were asked to vote on it because like digesting this and voting on it in this panel and meeting I don't think is wise or reasonable a uh short anecdote so a long time ago I had a coach that I really liked and trusted I can say that I like and trust everybody at this table um but one time he sent us out with a strategy that was wild and we came back to the bus and we were like what the heck was that and uh he's like I'm the coach I set the strategy like I don't need your buyin and we're like well but if you could tell us if you could explain it to us you're rationale you can get on board like you're still the coachable follow you but if you could explain the rationale a little bit more you'll be happier so simple analog to mebe what's happening right now Christine no I well sorry I I said no and I started talking I knew that just built in no and I I hear what you're saying and I think that's certainly something for the board to consider again I think from our standpoint you know at our January 6 board development meeting we did lay out a a calendar and I'm not saying we should necessarily stick to it but we are exactly on that and so to to alter that you certainly open to that certainly kind of you know what you just said I think you know that carries some greams definitely but it you know wasn't just a random sort of hey let's do this it was you know following something out and with that you know understanding that hey we we all looked at that and went yeah that seems reasonable and then as you move forward and certainly the the course Corrections are kind of doing some things time certainly always always can be considered I just have uh in that questions but just a couple of statements in regards to the information that was presented we haven't talked about the high potential in Young Scholars Program at all um and I just want to recognize that the importance of that and the changes and more emphasis putting into that program um you know my son's through school now but I remember back in elementary school he should have been in one of those programs and when I reached out and asked why he wasn't in it I was told there's too many kids and so he doesn't he can't be in there so I don't want as a parent that was crushing to me I don't want with this type of a change or even if this change doesn't happen I hope that we still can put more emphasis that we don't turn kids away that deserve that opportunity to be in some of these programs because our kids deserve it some kids need it and that's just how some kids are wired and I we've not talked at all about that program but I'm very passionate about that because my I wish my son would have had that he's doing fine went through the school system had a great experience he was in band fifth grade band so I know the importance of that as well um but yeah we just just I wanted to make sure that that was brought up that it was emphasized because that is a super important program for for those kids that that need that um you know I um it's been interesting to listen to everyone public the board members um I've been on the board this since year seven and um you know I've heard loud and clear the communication and I think that is the biggest hurdle here is the communication is and someone that is a you know Communicator um for a professional job I think we could have done better and I I'll just publicly state that um and that's nothing with you because I know that NCA and Stephanie and the principles that are here you've done a tremendous job this is a lot of work um and so I I just want to make sure that people know that this is not this is not an easy thing it's hard for me as a board member trying to make what is the right decision here because I see all different sides to the equation um someone that you know I've been through a lot of change in my career I'm not a teacher I'm in the business world and unfortunately I've been in the on the side where I'm into meetings and said this is the change that's happening I didn't have a voice um and it's I don't like that and now as a manager and having people report to me and having to make those decisions it's equally as tough this is not easy this is not easy for anybody anybody that's standing back there that has been involved in this process and trying to make the right decision this isn't this isn't easy and I'm also you know I'm hearing you know the voices of the parents in the community and students that spoke um I I appreciate that and know your voice is is heard regardless of what decision has made your voice has been heard and I've got I've printed out all the emails that I've received and spent a lot of time over the last four or five days reviewing everything and taking everything into consideration and I've asked a lot of questions about what about this what about that and a lot of it's been talked about here at the board table tonight so um you know and I think about the compelling uh Vision the statement that you've heard with our you know we change until all of our systems work for each and every student I think that's something that the Board needs to consider when we're making this decision tonight um you know I had the opportunity to hear a speaker yesterday afternoon and there was one statement that resonated with me that I felt really tied to this and it went back to the the statement I just said is that growth doesn't come from our comfort zone and as a district where do we want to where do we want our students to go that's the question that I've been all day long I've been thinking about that where from a we want our students to grow we want our students to be successful and as board members we're making decisions at this board table that impact students today but also long term into the future and so I guess I would just think about that as board members um and as parents and as Educators um do we want to stay in our comfort zone or do we want to grow as a district like to add add to that as well but chrisy but one thing I think it's prudent for us to ask as a board as well is if we were to vote no for this what ex what exactly could or willingness of the administration your team do next or what would his next steps what would that do to our district and our the timing of this the Staffing of it exactly I think we need to have all that information because I don't take this decision lightly this is an important decision um I L to that answer that guess whether that's for Mike or I don't even know that's determined NE will you say that question again I think I heard it but I won my question what happens if we vote oh oh but that's different we a different that's a whole different one we we forfeit on our debts for um well assuming we don't go back and I mean I think that's a really tough question to answer there's always direction from the board um you know voting no on the uh the proposed 4day rotation that you know we've brought the people I think are ultimately in the best place to weigh all those factors and determine what they believe is the best structure for our our Specialists well you're telling them that uh you know their their work is uh not acceptable uh I think in that case that you know it might be well you go back to a 10-day rotation and we have specialists at serving 1200 kids over 10 days we've got art classes with 45 and um that you know I mean that that option is I'm not sure where else we go they didn't have they didn't come and go hey we got five different sort of things that are all about equal they came and said we believe this is the best one because it will take care of those structural and efficiencies um it's not because oh it balances nicely it's because those things I talked about too in terms operationally it's you know the scheduling the building the structure the uh even making alterations when it within it works much better it supports things you know to do that there's you know there's a tradeoff um you know and again you know it's a part of this you know I think there's other opportunities for the board I mean you know 4 day rotation you we don't want any stone that is not the you know or if there was something like that but again I think that that may take you know you know months to come back uh to uh lay it over till what is it February 10th I think all the things that they talked about the work deadlines probably move two weeks out it puts a little more time pressure there's Staffing there's all those pieces you know to uh if there are any specific questions but yeah I don't have a I don't have a good answer uh from my vantage point again you know we I believe we put the the right people into that group to take that information uh if I were left my own devices which we would never want to do you know even though I was pretty good scheduler and stuff and whatever I'm a secondary social studies teacher so I and I had some ideas you know for what this might look like I think there were some other things to maybe explore in the future you we introduce kids to World languages wasn't part of it but I also have great trust in our five elementary principles and Nica and the members of her team you know to take in and I've asked a lot of the same questions that you've asked you know have you done this have you looked at this is this you know do you believe this is the best choice moving forward knowing that you know you roll it out hey there are people who aren't going to like it and I again I I want people to hear I I respect those who who don't like that or don't disagree it many them who spoke this this evening and sometimes we have to agree to disagree so from my vantage point you know the the flat out no probably really puts us in a a deep find because there there were no other you know there wasn't like a close second um you know to make sure kind of to Chad's point if you know more time to process or whatever but again the conversation between now and February 10th if it's not on hey is there a better structure is there a better rotation we already know a lot of the component parts and the hurt and the pain and some of that when you make a decision and changes tough anyhow but if there's you know a tradeoff and somebody is you know getting more time and somebody else is getting left time less time you know continuing to put that on Loop doesn't help us move forward you know so that that's the part that uh I you know we could go back and charge them with hey reach out listen to people see if come up with a better structure in two weeks um I'm not sure you know they might but I I don't have a a high level high degree of confidence just knowing that literally in some cases they've been working on it for three years they've all been working on it for at least 8 10 months and really weighing that heavily you know takes courage to make that decision in those leadership roles to move forward because you know that people that you you know they're in the building they know the people that this impacts better than I do people you love you care about you trust you respect as Educators that so I hope that I answer that Mr chair I me just or joke go ahead sorry why is it always us well we probably have the same question but go ahead I have more of a comment than a question to a point you know they've been working on this as Dr Redmond said for 3 years intensely for 8 to 10 months we've seen it here and there a couple of different meetings and more intensely in the last few days um there's probably 80 90 95% of this that I have no issue with it's making it more efficient it's making it more effective and and and that's what we want in a school we wanted to be better for the students the roll out all at once probably could uh probably could have been better it's the teaching moment that uh that that you know it is a teaching moment that maybe we should have been you you should have been a couple weeks out with the specialist and all the in all the uh teachers um I'm not against this I I'd like a little bit more time to process this um and I know that you've had months and we've had days and it it is really tough to process all of this in a few days when it's going to affect thousands of students for years to come um and we just want to make the right decision and we don't want to be rushed making that right decision just to Echo what my colleague Mr alra said um I think there are more opportunities than this big bang approach we're talking all the specials all at once yes it's been 10 years in the making lots of effort is there an opportunity and this is more rhetorical a phased approach maybe not all stem ramps up right away can you negotiate with stem and maybe uh music and art and come up with another you know I I recognize you've got to adjust uh Staffing accordingly and so there would be an impact to to Fed does it have to be the equivalent of three people and and I think there might be another way to roll this out without being as disruptive just or or has that even been looked at um what does it look like you know again that 5day rotation I think there's just more opportunity to uh you know to give it the acid test to see if it sticks and if that's the right solution it's the right if it's the right solution today it'll be the right solution in two weeks I see no risk in delaying a decision um for two weeks but if we're forced to vote on this today I I still have more questions I think Tim I could answer the first one because I got asked that recently like in the last 24 hours a phased in approach I I think that'd be a nightmare that would make the inefficiencies in the 10day rotation look but we know that's the question we we do and and that was before I answered I went through process that because there's a lot of moving parts and I I hesitate to do this but in a 10day rotation you you've got a pck picture a matrix where T are driving it within the 10 there's something that's 40% 30% 20% 10% you're putting that over six grade levels at each each have between three and six sections um and only you know one of them the one at 10% only has 2.08 FTE to put into the slots once they're put in you can't move them to do to kind of add that move that around um would be really tricky but again I you know what I can promise you is you know I I certainly between you know if you decide to delay it until February 10th yeah we'll bring NCA and the five principals and and G and other folks you know together and go all right do you do you got any better ideas I'm certainly happy to answer you know ask them that question um like I said before when they were doing their work we didn't send them off to work and go hey come back with this structure we came back and said hey come back with what you believe is the best system for us to operate and so we can certainly ask them to kind of redouble their their thinking process and do that but uh as far as kind of phasing in or or doing that um logistically I I worry that could actually cause harm so and that's fair I you know I think part of that you know period to digest brings the experts in the room too I would like to see a more broader scope in terms of not just the special Educators but the classroom as well and it's not it's not a vote right it's it's not consensus based we don't have to agree but I think the strongest voices are the ones that are in the room and there's a young man that's dressed better than I am I feel like he's suited up I'm a little like this is an opportunity to uh support um you know those uh advocate for the the kids in the classroom um all right so we we've kind of shifted or evolved from questions to some people making statements um do we have any more questions for nicah and Steph uh cuz I don't think they've answered any questions for several minutes here so I if if not we can move on to to actually considering the motion and having having some debate about that um but I don't want to cut anybody off so I want to give everybody an opportunity to ask your questions so are there any more questions for Nica staff for Dr redond I I had one okay Chris just one quick so we talk about other considerations what other considerations when you came up with the 4-day rotation what other considerations were on the table we looked at um the 21 day cycles right we looked at um 5 day we looked at splitting PE music and having kids transition halfway through um which of course e transition time so we looked at other districts and what other models of specialists do what they provide um and and again we felt like this was our best option for our students so just to P back off of that um I know that there you looked at other districts I don't know four or five of them I was told that were looked at um a lot of people can't believe we're still on the 10day cycle is that true it it doesn't exist in anywhere that two points so one I still have a lot of questions off stem that I feel like aren't practical to be answered and U keep you all here till midnight but the other one I'll just ask uh is there um anything you wish one of us would have asked you about this uh and or do you have anything um like anything else you want to add I mean I think it's it's a hard thing because it's it does have a lot to do with our values and our beliefs about some of these specialist areas which I think are all equally um valuable and kids have a w wide range of interests and when they think about them in the elementary school we're giving them an opportunity to enhance some of their talents in different areas um and I think specialist is a great opportunity outside of reading and math and social study and science to Branch out and so I I do I do understand the seriousness of this decision anything I wish they sorry that's for putting on the spot maybe there was something so do we have any any other questions all right so the presentation is complete the questions are complete so we have the action item before us so with that I would entertain a motion I like the motion to approve as presented we have a motion by Peterson I will second so we have a motion and a second so the question is before us um and now now we have an opportunity to to debate so um just like with the questions um you can get my attention everybody should have an opportunity to speak at least twice on whether they they um support the motion or oppose the motion and I would like to rotate that around so everybody gets an opportunity before somebody who's spoken once can speak a second time so anybody like to speak first go get over um so uh I'm very likely going to vote no on the basis of and I say no but not never um because I realize this is this is coming but it doesn't maybe need to look this way or maybe just my own understanding so I'm not I don't have an education background I'm just a reasonably responsible adult um so I just I feel like uh the value of p is well understood and stem is a little squishy for me so I would just like to understand more about those things before I can vote yes thank you so somebody's spoken in opposition do we have somebody to speak uh in I'll go ahead um I think one of the reasons why I support this is because I know that there have been other options that have been beted and I don't know what other options there are if if the group has spent a lot of time looking at this um what other options there are I think if there were options they would have been that were equal they might have been Pres presented to us tonight um and I I value our um our Educators and our leaders I'm not an education person um and I just something something's going to change and we can't stay in this 10day rotation it's chaotic I've heard that from people and I don't know if we push this out two weeks what going to change other than having if you still have questions them being answered and I feel that we've been discussing this this is the third or fourth time that you've had this discussion at the board table um no we have not had this specific presentation made but I know that I was able to get my questions answered for the most part in the last week um and just interacting I mean this weekend was all kinds of fire exchanges and and questions that were asked as try to process information U before tonight so I support this I I don't know pushing it out two weeks what that's going to do for good discussion one more point to make just on the topic of transparency um because uh as much as I try to stay away from social media get sucked into it sometimes and there still a lot of uh you know those wounds from years ago cut deep and there's a lot of um people don't fully trust us yet and this to be very Frank this was kind of a bad look and it brought up all those old feelings again and so that is what I think additional two weeks will accomplish is reassuring uh reassuring in the community that this wasn't done in secret I it wasn't done behind closed doors I heard somebody say um that everything's all above board another two weeks is kind of a great question pick back on what Christie said and Tim mentioned it earlier if this is the best solution and we've all had a good time to process that I don't see what harm two weeks would set us up as we've been doing this for 10 years I I I realize we can't ask any more questions or that's not part of the process and I'm new to this so but I mean if if if all we're voting on is going from a 10 to a 40 and that's the only option and how everything else is set up and we're not willing to consider alternatives or if there's any pieces to this that maybe weren't overlooked or maybe we didn't get quite as much attention that maybe we could at least consider um over the next two weeks at least or present a little bit more um detail as like we really want to make this equal I heard we wanted to make it equally here I heard Mr Redmond say something about you know equal equality wasn't necessarily the the desired outcome here awesome let's just dig into this a little bit more personally before I can confidently vote Yes to this I I do agree that you guys are making great changes and we're on the right track and that a 10-day rotation I'm on in agreement with that I just would like more time to process it Caroline I would say I I support like a chain from a 10 to a four but what I would like to see is you know right now as equal it's like Robbie Peter to P Paul right why do we have to have stem be at 25% why can't we have it a little bit less could we go to a five and could we put more emphasis on PE because kids need a mental break from learning I mean it's exhausting like all the the curriculum activities that's going in the district and I just feel that we should put emphasis on band I play the clarinet and NP is very important for children I would just I support a change but I would just love to see if there's an alternative where we could increase a little bit of the PE and you know and why does it have PE well I like stem don't get me wrong but I feel like we've already Incorporated it I think I tried to clarify it wasn't that they're equal it's that they're divis you know there's four offerings four specialists in a 4-day rotation divisible interchangeable transferable they happen to be equal and and that you know and again the fact they're way into this when you're scheduling things that are in Tuesday 4 68 you know divide into each other some of that and again you get beyond the number of sections of kid stuer so and that was what I tried to you know they said hey they're all equal that was just an acknowledgement of the percentage of time they didn't put them there be oh that looks nice they're all equal they put them there because the function of a structure for scheduling works better when they're invisible interchangeable and transferable so just to and and that's really comp comp Lex uh and and certainly we could dig into that you know more too but that I I uh I'll speak in support of the motion um as others have said you know I think we demonstrated that change is needed to this 10-day rotation um we're focused on student outcomes we own what's best for our students That's What It ultimately comes down to um I value the work of all the the elementary principles and niika and the LTE team they put a lot of time into this and they've come up with this solution that said there's still a lot of work to do which they they've already presented on this is not getting implemented tomorrow this is going to be the next school year which is seven or eight months away they can't get go to that next step without our okay so if the motion were to pass that's when the real work begins to implement and I think a lot of these concerns can be addressed during that implementation process um so this isn't yes we're starting tomorrow with some of these questions still unanswered it's yes we're going to a 4-day rotation with the move of full band and now Begins the work of implementing it and making sure it's successful um my questions have been answered uh to my satisfaction uh so I am in support of the motion would anyone else like to speak Nick yeah one more um what I in this situation what I would love to see in in full transparency you know and then like I said we could land on the same result but could we maybe have a slide in two weeks that shows this was what plan B was and this is what plan C was and these are the pitfalls because there are staffing issues we don't fully understand I don't understand I'm not in education either I'm a business person so I understand that there are decisions that need to be made for reasons up outside of what we know so I mean if we had full full detail on like this is how we landed on this and plan B was this and plan C was this and this doesn't work because of this Staffing issue at Red Oak or sunpan whatever I think that would help everybody uh uh in the long run and like I said two weeks from now if this is the best plan and you guys present it that way I'd be more open for it so a couple people have mentioned you know possibly moving to two weeks I mean we we have the question the yes or no question on on the motion before us somebody could make a subsidiary motion to postpone that for two weeks that is and then we could discuss that because that is that is a separate topic then yes or no it's yes we're implementing no we're not with no no discussion of bringing it up later so you do have that option I'm just informing you if you didn't want to make that motion motion Mr chair we we have a motion and a second to vote on this we that's the main that's the main motion so from now the questions before us I've been reading up on my Roberts rules so I came I came ready I came locked and voted on this tonight do we do we have so we can we have the main motion before us now we have options for subsidiary motions one of which could be to postpone um another could be to amend I don't hear anybody talking about amend in and changing we is talking about potentially postponing if that motion is presented it would require a second and then we would discuss postponing and vote on that if that were to pass they would be postponed if it were not we would come back to the main question which is currently before the board so um I'm putting that out there because people have have going to two we go in for another two weeks so I'm putting that out as an option so I haven't said anything yet I get ready um invol what our numbers involved no numbers are not involved and that that makes it painful to talk out loud without using numbers but okay I will use numbers I did like what Nick said where not only I actually I like the rotation I I think it's probably the best option but we don't see why the other options fail to see why the other options just don't make any sense would make this boat a lot easier than it seems to be for me right now because this vote is really about the future of education and Shak how we're going to handle things and to do that on getting everything within a few days as I said earlier is just there there's a lot going on in my brain um and if we can if we can delay this for two weeks to just have maybe some explanations that show up why 21 doesn't work why 10 doesn't work why five doesn't work y six doesn't work it just would make it easier for the rest of us to to vote Yes I think this is great as I said effective and efficient it's what I live for frankly um but it's just you've had eight months we've had three days on everything and I know you haven't had eight months on everything but you know you've had more time than we have to digest this a few more days a two more weeks I think that uh by giving that time for us to digest everything I think it would make us it it would make it a lot easier to vote Yes if we had the extra time and Mr chair can I expand on what Mr Al said uh I think it's not just delaying it I think it open to Amendment but that would imply that there's a feedback loop to allow specials other Educators to provide feedback for consideration doesn't mean you have to accept it but come back with hey we an epiphany we found you know another solution that we like better but at least afford that opportunity for a feedback loop because I think the experts in the room are the ones that boots on the ground they in the classroom every day I just value that opinion and and that's not a reflection on the incredible work that has gone into this I think you just need to hear from you know those closest to the matter and that would make it much more bable I would agree with him I love what you did I would love more of an amendment to approve so Chad I heard you earlier and got kind of got cut off are you still I'm motioning to delay okay let's be very specific on what you're motioning here uh to uh postpone the vote by two weeks two weeks so until the next board meeting so we have we have a motion postpone for two weeks and and Mr chair to clarify does that also afford the opportunity to amend the current proposal between now and that two weeks or are we just going to see the same content again we haven't voted on this so the direction I believe that was provided was we want to see more options right or at least see how we got to the decision right so postpone the vote taking into consideration will get more visibility to how we got to this proposal and maybe another proposal is offered well that's right I mean a different proposal is a different vote we're we the the motion before us is is to support or is to accept this presented this so to to answer your question if we were to um vote to postpone that would be this question if if a different presentation a different proposal got present we'd have to vote on that separately at which time we would have to vote no on this if we didn't like this and vote Yes on the other one but we're the question is on this exact proposal we're not going to without unless we get another unless we get a motion to amend uh but a postpone overrides and amend Roberts rules right so I yeah I'm just I'm in favor of pring an opportunity to I'm not saying it has to be amended but an opportunity to amend and it so it's kind of a maybe it's but in in that by the next board meeting we have the proposal it can be as presented today or amended but we would agree that that's the that's the final version well at that time you could you could amend it you could you could motion to amend and we would have to V at that time at that meeting that this is no different than hey this was the calendar we approved at the last meeting and there's a date change and then we just we reapproved that that would be that would be discussion to have in two weeks if the postponement were were I simply want to ensure that there's a feedback loop that affords that opportunity for those closest to the decision to at least voice Alternatives and again if we don't get there we don't get there um and I also agree with my colleague Mr ald we should at least get some kind of hey here's the timeline these are the things we we uh thought about that led to this conclusion that would also just be helpful in terms of the history of the decision no we have so we have before us now we have a motion to postpone is there a second to motion I would second it that was Nick you second it okay so we have a motion to postpone and we have a second so the question before us is whether to postpone so would anybody like to we we've heard discussion on why to postpone does anybody want to add anything to that before we vote um I will vote in opposition to postponing uh for the reasons that have been expressed earlier I I think there's more questions we can get answered but I think what will happen is in two weeks we will have this exact same question before us but what we will also have is a lot of feedback from the community which is helpful um but no nothing nothing productive that would change change our mind one way or another I think the same question will come back to us um it's possible that that will give people time for for some clarity um but I don't I don't know that this is going to get any better in two weeks um so i' I've um am an opposition to postp can can this be brought back if it isn't agreed on today can this be brought back at a different time there could be a new proposal so I think what you're kind of saying is in order for us to potentially even consider other outcomes we' need to vote no to this today and then hope or ask that the administration brings us back maybe this and two other items to vote on at a different time if they're willing I don't even know the rules do this yet yeah new a new proposal would would get put on the agenda for a future vote so so if we vote no on the uh the motion to delay then we will vote on this proposal tonight it goes back to the main motion goes back okay further discussion on postponement I may have said this already so excuse me but uh the I feel the reason for postponing is to counter any sentiment that this was rushed or somehow done in secret I'm I'm going to uh agree with Chad on that I think that there was a lot that was said I didn't read that much of it because I'm trying to avoid social media as much as possible um at least basb um I think all the facts were very well documented here tonight ni did you guys did a great job I think that now that the community has all the facts and not just here say I think that we might get different um responses back from the community within the next two weeks now that all the facts are out there and that's why I will be voting yes to delay the vote two weeks any further discussion on the motion to postpone all right so hearing none um I will I will call for for eyes and Ma if it is not clear uh we will go to a uh a show of hands so um this is postp this is voting on The postponement all right all those in favor of postponing the motion I I so we got voice and hand I know all those opposed name all right so I heard five to five to two so motion to postpone passes so the motion is postponed until the next school board meeting can I add something please so I would encourage all the board members if you have questions that have not been answered Chad you made reference to it you had questions anyone else you have I mean this is your time you have two weeks to get all of your answer questions answered and come back to the to the board meeting fully knowledgeable and ready to vote I think and I would actually encourage all of us to maybe meet with the principal Stephanie I live right by you I'd love to in the next couple of weeks uh be able to uh just come and sit with you for 20 minutes half hour just to go over all this and then make them have playground Duty or something or lunch from the work some numbers with me yeah oh he'll do help on sprs or anything help that 20 minutes but thank you it was I appreciate the robust discussion and the community for coming forward tonight and um appreciate your comments we will take this up again two weeks thank you everybody we will give some people time to depart although we have thrilling action items remaining on the agenda if you'd like the RISD Stephanie Anda you did a great job some motion I know so joh radio for life science support yeah this this we we'll be chatting about that very soon uh next on our agenda is item 9.2 the revised budget this is an action item uh and here to present is Bill Mani our Director of Finance welcome Bill good evening uh thank you for the time um to present the 2024 25 revised budget uh for recommendation to approve this evening uh this was a discussion item on your last meeting on January 6th uh there are very very few changes to the document that you see on on the screen and in your school board packet before you uh the only change I did add one slide on student enrollment this is halfway roughly halfway through the year and obviously enrollment is an integral part to the budget presentation and so I added a slide on enrollment that we'll go through and I did add the non- major funds as you recall on January 6th our main focus was on the general fund and so I have add the non- major funds to include funds like food food service Community Services fund our debt service fund internal service fund and some of those so without further Ado I will go over this I my intention here tonight is not to go over for every slide because I went over that on January 6th and previously during the finance and Facilities committee meeting but I would encourage um anybody that's interested and obviously there are several people that are very interested and and also uh the community um if they if they desire to learn more about our budget process uh details of that process can be found in this document so with that we will um move forward you guys to um the budget assumptions so here were the the budget assumptions shown for comparison purposes um for the adopted budget and just by way of orientation our fiscal year on July to June uh the board is required to approve a budget before the start of the year on July 1st and so here were the budget assumptions uh that were um adopted as part of the adopted budget process in June of 2024 you can see in our adopted budget our fund balance breakout our unassigned fund balance which is the overall measure of our Financial Health as a district uh was projected to end the year at 12, 265,000 which is 10% squarely in the middle of Schoolboard policy 714 which says that we would strive to maintain a fund balance between 8 and 12% and again that was the adopted budget shown for comparison I will show the revised budget coming up shortly before we get to that um just a brief stopping point here on student enrollment and you'll see four main columns where we talk about student enrollment uh first is our actual enrollment for last year and the rows are Early Childhood kindergarten enrollment grades 1 through 3 grades 4 through 6 uh 7 through 12 and then a roll for the total enrollment as well you can see last year our total enrollment was 7,668 students um drive from the state as average daily membership or ADM for short uh this adopted budget so the budget that was approved by the board in June uh included student enrollment of 7,430 students and you can see as of January 9th which there's nothing overly special about that date just the date when I uh picked from infant campus to populate the spreadsheet we're at 7,62 students and so our revised budget which is one of the main drivers of our Revenue uh in the general fund uh we are recommending a revised budget enrollment projection of 7,539 students so still down from prior Year we're still in a period of natural decline in student enrollment but up from our adopted budget uh by about 109 students uh which is a good thing U we're up students we're up student generated revenue and if you look at our actual enrollment of 7,62 we're still underneath that number um which we want to be conservative on our enrollment we want to make sure that there's not an inverse relationship between those two columns um so that we can end up at or above our actual enrollment when we end a year so some good news on the enrollment front with that we'll get to um the assumptions that are driving the revenue revisions first on the on the revenue side uh overall Revenue budget increased by 4.06 or about 5.1 million from the adopted budget I talked about the main driver of that uh was our enrollment increase of um 131 students or excuse me 109 students rather from the adopted budget of 7,430 um state aid I also updated our state special education Aid to reflect the current estimates from the Department of Education uh federal revenue I included a small amount about 103,000 um a small amount in terms of our total revenue of 120 million 103,000 is a big number but not in terms of a percentage of our total general fund budget uh to to assume that learning loss pandemic response fund just a final spend down of that and then other Lo local as well updated estimate for interest earnings um we were pretty conservative on that budget estimate and the adopted budget and I've been a little bit more aggressive here in the revised budget for interest earnings so that Revenue has gone up as well on the expenditure side our overall general fund expenditures increased by about 3.06% or about 3.8 million from the adopted budget the two main categories would be salary and benefits as we have every year budget adjustments based on programming and classroom needs for 20 2425 and then under purchase Services we did see an increase in our property and Workers Compensation Insurance uh we saw a significant increase in that we are not alone in that um many of the school districts in Minnesota are seeing a very healthy increase in their property and workers compensation U Insurance many homeowners are feeling that as well in terms of that increase in that categorical insurance and then just an increase for district utilities uh we've seen an increase in that budget and then also contract to Transportation budget increase with Palmer bus service um with the new contract in place with Palmer so with that we get to our revised budget fund balance projections um you'll see the good news on on that front as we're projected to uh end the year at 11,698 1882 which is 10% of our fund balance so uh still projected to be right in the middle range there which is a good thing uh nonspendable we're projected to end year at 1.8 million which has cuse our inventory and prepaid items U that doesn't change from year to year in terms of budget projections but that will undoubtedly change with the level of inventory and prepaid items at the end of the fiscal year uh long-term facilities maintenance is projected to end the year with a $3.5 million fund balance you'll recall that's the fund balance for our uh deferred maintenance health and safety and disabled accessibility programs or expenditures operating Capital has a deficit spend of about 1.2 million that's a planned spend down of the operating Capital fund balance um in accordance with our curriculum adoption um that's going on our technology Levy is is relatively flat a small surplus of about 154,000 and then our restricted category not much change there as well I will note uh the assigned for district programming is projected to have a fund balance of about 2.8 million that is our assignment for a subsequent year budget deficit we we discussed that um should we have a budget deficit in a future year uh we discussed that briefly at our January 6th um school board meeting and what that assignment was for and then a new uh fund balance Dr Redmond touched on it as part of the facilities uh presentation earlier this evening uh the committed fund balance of 287,000 that's a commitment for facilities related improvements um derived from the facilities rent revenue and Community Services and then I did want to touch on the other new item in this budget outside of the general fund which obviously we spend the majority of our time on the non- major fund so you can see the projected revised revenue and expenditures and the food service fund I won't read these off the page you can all read them to yourselves um I worked with Lisa Ron in the community services fund to revise the revenue and expenditures in community service our building construction fund um that would be normal that that would be a spend down of the fund balance that is the bond balances remaining from the ltfm and health and safety bonds uh and just spending that down the 200,000 there is just expected interest earnings in that Bond account our debt service fund is the principal in interest on our voter approved Debt Service U our bonds and payments our internal service fund is our self-funded health and dental account um and then our trust fund is made up of OPB which stands for other post-employment benefits and also our scholarship account at the high school so you can see all together our revised Revenue budget is 168 m96 th000 our revised expenditure budget is for the board recommending approval on the 2425 Revis budget uh we have been working on updates to our long range financial planning model fpm for short um taking into account summaries from the legislative session um and developing some assumptions on next year's budget and then looking out several years into the future uh you can expect to see something uh at both the finance and Facilities committee and perhaps at an upcoming school board work session on our uh work on the longrange financial planning model and then lastly June 23rd um is an important date that would be when we would bring a recommendation to approve the 2526 adopted budget to this board June 26 seems like a long time in the future um but it will come up quicker than that's all that I have I'd be happy to take any questions if you would have yeah sorry what the floor is yours sorry what is what was I what do you know the ex the at least an estimation of the dollar or the amount per student that the district receives um yes I do and it and you can be close it doesn't have to be exact it's from the it's shown in the audo report that's the number we talking about right um gosh I recall it Dr Ed help me out in the $115,000 range from last year's Auto report now would assume that's state aid property taxes federal and other local is that that yeah but I think we also got to be careful because sometimes included in that are things that don't get spent on individual students so I mean they're I'm familiar with it's more the revenue for students so yeah kind of the total revenue per student yeah it was kind of I thought about $166,000 but again and you can see that the difference for just even 109 students you know 109 * 16,000 is I'm not going to do that in my head um 1.7 yeah and again there we you know we've got be that that calculation is per puple are they Elementary are they secondary 1.2 and right do they get any categorical Aid or do they you know depends where they're coming from if they're you know out of district and you but but yep I see where you're at yeah well just like building schedule's complex uh budgeting for schools is very complex starting to think it might be easier than building a it's very popular thanks for your question I will make a motion to approve the revised budget as presented second a motion by bro and a second by Aldrich any further discussion seeing none all those in favor I oppos motion carries next our agenda is another action item item 9.3 to pay Equity report I'm here to present is Keith Gray our director of Human Resources welcome Keith good evening every three years uh public entities in the state of Minnesota have to do a pay Equity report the intent of pay Equity is to have jobs evaluated on a job job evaluation system and then compare the salaries to the points issu and you know props to state of Minnesota has been after pay equity for a long time um I mean at least since 1987 um because that's when I first started doing pity words so we did ours um and we submitted to the state and then they review it and then send us a document whether it's approved We Do We Gather the data we do have an opportunity to run it through the system to see what the outcome is likely to be our outcomes are we pass on several of the um statistical analysis which um I don't know can you bring up the the report here y so we go this is sort of the statistical analysis and those of you are heavily into statistics you remember the old T Test oh yeah how many times have you done that not since college but yeah so anyway um so we pass on the T Test uh there's a salary uh or above that is the um under payment ratio our our numbers don't work with that so we went we had to do the test we passed on that then there's salary range test we also passed on that um so I'm I'm anticipating that we're going to get a report back on the state that we're okay with that if you go to the scattergram for those of us who are more visual Learners so you need to slide on down to the next page there um this is what it looks like uh and the idea is you want to be scattered closely to the trend line I guess um those of you are in statistics this is called not H my brain right now but um but anyway so the there's a range of jobs that are that are considered uh within an acceptable range of below and above and all of ours are in that acceptable range from at least our preliminary run of the the data but we have to submit that um so to be able to will submit that it's required that you um not necessarily get into a deep analysis but okay us is submitting this data so that's the request tonight any questions Mr chair please okay first and I didn't cheat but if I I'm doing this for memory I think it's a regression analysis but I can there you go y That's thank you I dusted off some coms there uh my question would be you know I appreciate the spirit of you know the equity report um does tenure play into this so if I'm you know a female teacher that I've been in the district you know so is there any any anomaly because you see some of those outliers um is is that that data point relevant having to do with tenure because my compensation might be at a different level than say the mainline if you understand it's usually the those data points around classifications versus individuals so what they ask you to do is minimum and maximum um in our in our situation it also adds in health insurance because there's a varied level of health insurance among the different groups so that gets divided by hourly rate and added to the hourly rate I this is my standard statement is there is no job evaluation system that is perfect it's an approximation you know it's and so right you know to be able to say it's above or below the line with perfect accuracy is is impossible so you know job evaluation systems are just to give you a rough idea of jobs and really what they're looking at is really extreme outliers right um and they're you know at least the analysis that we've done so far there's no extreme outliers so there you know you would say well it's imperfect science that's why that's a trend line but the comparison is really a trend range so if you put a you know gray around the top and the bottom that's what it's really looking at in the long range make a motion to accept the pay Equity report presented on second we have a motion by Peterson Peterson and a second byz any further discussion seeing none all those in favor I I oppos motion carries thank you thank you next is uh I action our last action item uh 9.4 Schoolboard committees um and uh I will talk to this this will be a a pretty short one hopefully everybody has seen this it went out in email it is um is also on our Google Drive at the parent level of the uh the committee um I took everybody's input and uh hopefully gave you um assignments that you uh at least are not surprised by um but I I think uh since we're a relatively stable board a lot of these U stayed stayed the same um um Nick took on uh has moved to the finance and Facilities committee um and Tim has left that committee um and then um there's a little movement elsewhere think Nick took on a um we put you on amsd which is another educational uh subcommittee uh I'm I'm not sure if you're familiar with it or not yeah okay that's we we will introduce you at the next amsd meeting it's very educational it's like a it's the Association of Metro school districts so it's similar to msba but on a smaller scale for for for the the Metro school districts um yeah looks good come meet me on a Friday morning in Roseville I'll be there let's do it yeah you do have the option to go in person uh it's a bit of a drive from here um I I was on this committee my first year on the board maybe my also my second um I never made the drive in person but uh it the the meetings were always educational um Dr Rond I just and I look back and it's on there last year so I really failed last year I'm wondering if somehow we flip names for that diversity Equity leadership team Del we used to have that in the district and I I think I've got the 20 I don't if the 24 one up or not yeah used to has met for a year and a half okay and I haven't been on it since this I just threw my name in the Hat I think Mohammad was yeah Caroline and Muhammad were there last year well there's there's a um there's a diversity Alliance Alliance that still meets that's local but delt I don't think has met okay no Caroline right I don't think yeah so I apologize I didn't not I evidently didn't notice that last year um well if that's the case is there another committee that needs representation Le like an alternate um I think we talked about uh Southwest Metro being a pretty heavy lift and I know you're heavily involved is that something where an alternate would be useful Chad's already alternate but this would be an example of a of a um subcommittee liaison that you you're all everybody is free to go uh with with uh awareness of of Quorum rules um but everybody's always free to go to these to these meetings like Southwest Metro or amsd yeah please come to S not if you're going to drive to Roseville to see me would you rather come to Southwest Metro and see me well yeah but roseville's closer for me what about St Peter do you mean in St Peter for msba um so so the change we making then is we're going to remove the line for the diversity Equity leadership team and then we have the bright Works line that we added um I think like last year and then Chad is is on that I think it was like Midway through school year and Chad volunteered to be on it um we don't really have you had any meetings yet for WR works or um I think they only have two a year so I went to one was like April or May and then I couldn't go to the the one following that so expect the next one to be coming up relatively soon they just had one I think they did because I know another board member from a different District That Couldn't attend something because she had door break works for yeah and they don't they don't send a whole lot of email either I at first I thought like did you guys forget about me um but then I look back at my like oh they let me send something like quarterly at long so um the the last comment I'd make about these uh is uh and this is Christy's idea so I'm not going to claim it uh it's a good idea though so I'm I'm I'm I'm voicing her idea uh without taking care for it uh as a stable board that has no elections planned for this year you know hopefully everybody stays on the board next year as well um we will do this uh exercise earlier in December um for next year so we have these locked in as of January um so um like in the case of of chrisy with with State High School league you know um she needed Clarity because we haven't officially decided yet sou Southwest Metro thank you um they needed they needed a a member already and we hadn't officially decided yet so um we will uh have that off so that doesn't happen again next year um and then lastly um I think there's going to be a lot of room for um changes next year uh as officers most likely change and um and primary uh committees probably change so if you're uh looking for opportunities I think you'll see them for next year so that's my last comment a quick question and uh Tiffy this might be a question for you too I I like that idea of meeting earlier in December given that you know just making that cohesiveness because I have seen it where it's like oh we switch committees and then the wrong people are getting the meeting invites um so like should we just take it Grassroots like do I go reach out to like Le like how do I engage are we talking moving forward here yeah so I we're ready to go in fact that's our leadership team folks who chair those or do those will send so they know who to reach next day okay good I I just if if we were supposed to go put our uh our names in their uh distribution lists but sounds like that's under control good good thanks Tiffany I no credit on no we even had we had that as an agenda item with our leadership team I think in December I is this is this um where we have to do a motion yeah this is an action item okay I'll make a motion to approve the commune second assignment excuse me second um yeah it is it is getting late uh would you do me a favor and and change your motion to acknowledge that we're we're adjusting we're taking off the delt I would like to make a motion for the 2025 committee assignment uh committee assignments uh but we are removing and I move that we remove the district or the diversity Equity leadership thank you do we have a second second so we have a motion by Aldrich a second by broie on the committee assignments as presented with the exception of removing diversity equity leadership team any further discussion seeing none all those in favor I I oppose motion carries thank you that is the conclusion of our action items next is an information item item 10.1 District update with Dr Redmond sure thank you and uh and you know thanks to Tiffany and and Amber for helping put this together some of these uh just going to kind of put up uh you guys were there I thought I really appreciated the msba conference and and again just the the the real strong level of participation from uh shaki uh Public Schools you know our students our our teachers you know uh our building level administrators were there our district we had some District level folks presenting doing things and then our our school board um and just really appreciate the fact that even you know holding board meetings and the we're building a good culture in terms of the msba trainings too and that's a credit to each of the seven of you so this slide is just really cool [Applause] um it really is um you know because I you it feels like you were the uh President elect elect elect about 9ye process but 18 months I knew no it really cool though again when you you think about you know kind of prior to my tenure we had as a district and even you just did those committee assignments we had pretty much disassociated from a lot of professional learning opportunities Statewide organizations like amsd and bright works and the Minnesota School Board Association to some degree and so uh just again uh chrisy your your level of commitment involvement to our district is you know incredible uh throw in Southwest Metro that is us too where you're the chair but then to all districts across the state and and to have gotten involved like you have in the School Board Association and then you know to take the gavel as president of that Association is just is just super cool so thank you uh speaking of super cool literally and figuratively um hockey day Minnesota so a lot of thank you uh you know the jerseys you know and if you haven't seen the video with Shak menak Sue Community chair Cole Miller talking about the jerseys and how that brings Community together and connecting uh let me know and I'll send it to you but you know the the contribution from smsc those jerseys I've ordered one I think Jim ordered one have it in the cart to order it yeah but it's just super neat and then yeah you know we've got to see this from the beginning there are parts that I had forgotten talking to some of the hockey day Minnesota board members like one goes well you know we were in your office 4 years ago and oh yeah I remember that and they go you were really enthusiastic yeah I was especially for a basketball guy and uh but just to see it come to fruition that group you know did an unbelievable job you know they're a separate entity they're their own 501c3 um you know and representing the Shak Community they did just a great job the planning the organizing pulling that stuff together you know the city of Shak for supporting the event all you know just uh being there and then the just many many volunteers you know it was really cool it was kind of a who's who of uh you know people who really care about our community we all over the place volunteering uh very special thanks to our ninth grade academy Champion uh valy fair you know they stepped up and hosted it and I tell you what the photos when you you there's some up here I've seen them on social media the videos uh what a cool site and the other thing you know we take for granted what they do every day I mean they are unbelievable hosts and they get the whole bringing people in and treating them well and their expectations for customer service are Skyhigh and uh you know Renee who and ra who do a lot of work with with ourm uh are integral you know leaders of that team uh and then there's just you know a lot of lot of great things you know uh feature on Calvin Simon a nice tribute to Michaela mville you know boys hockey team got a lot of publicity air during the event um you know lots of even youth teams and other things and I tell you what it's just it's one of those where uh you know we talk about it's a great day to be a saber it was a great four days to be a member of the Shak community no and then uh annual meeting shaky Chamber of Commerce really put it up here um because there are convening organization you know for theem is shaki they're also you know doing some things you know in terms of uh you know developing a foundation to help support our students and learning and kind of a neat list of uh list of folks receiving their Awards again Southwest Metro intermediate District 288 that's us you know we're a member of that and uh you know so just just good things there um this I changed the suggested headline so if you're really don't like this that's all me and uh probably a little corny but yeah see what I did there theem is of Shak are really cooking they're doing more than cooking the uh you know really it's the culinary arts kids they uh it's funny because they've been they brought all kinds of uh kind of a great publicity because they're doing just a amazing things you know and I'll you know last year was their first year and Jim and Tiffany correct me if I get the details wrong last year was their first year competing in the state competition they won it so then they went to Nationals they finished ninth Heather bomach you know I remember talking to her one of their teachers who leads us goes yeah we're going to come back and we're going to win the Nationals I mean that's the goal and she's got a group of kids they show up early in the morning they're they're invested they're involved uh to and we've gotten to know them Twin Cities Live came in and and did a feature on them Andrew Zimmer stopped by you know I did the superintendent thing welcomed him he goes now you're going to slide out the door and I'm like no usually I hang out to eat but I'm pretty Co today uh but and I started hanging out and I started listening to him he sat down at a counter in our culinary arts and our teachers our students they were taking notes Andrew Zimmer was so impressed I think and connected so well with the kids they were having one of the coolest kind of uh expert to aspiring you know culinary artists and just the way they interacted the questions um he you know and our students he's going well tell me how you you know why this aspect of the recipe what are you trying to do and how familiar are you with this and I I learned a ton I have no real Avenue to apply it um but it was just awesome and then you know we had happen to uh you know proart who supports culinary arts growth across the state uh they do an annual event which is a fundraiser in a celebration called you know hosted by Hospitality Minnesota stars of the future at the Four Seasons hotel in Minneapolis uh two people in that photo really really good food eaters uh the rest of them pretty good uh food makers but uh it was great um you know Carol came with me it was the food was amazing it was a really cool event and again I just you you watch our kids and now it's a you know the other students in other schools are doing great things but I had folks coming up to me just going wow your kids they're they're amazing they are just doing awesome so no Andrew is coming back to uh give them one final critique the week before the state tournament and Zoe Francis who was the pastry chef that spoke at uh stars of the future is coming into critique their dessert um sometime in the next few weeks as well so they U and then the Brian Ingram who owns a whole breakfast bar app offered to coach them next year but they already have a coach and so that was a little bit uncomfortable we could you know be taste testers too you know what I think a great idea can we make a motion for that well they they look for people to come in and uh grade their when I say grade their food it's uh it's a complex uh grading system where they're getting into different levels of taste and yeah it's you got to you got to show up ready to go on that one can can a high school earn it possibly if anyone will we will yeah it it's and again I think if you know I'm assuming we'll our students will participate in this event again next year it was my first time going it was Jim's first time going really cool event so um secondary registration you know we've got our our students moving the grade 6 to 12 all those things you know lots of New Opportunities you know getting out and uh spreading the word uh Early Childhood great things going on there they had their annual winter Blues family engagement event uh good attendance and again you know that is one of those things I think that you you start to adjust you know in the role of a you know School leader or board member like man we're always talking about the next year the next thing and it just seems like weren we talking about this for this school year and they're getting ready for the 25 26 school year uh one of the coolest Awards you and we had uh Sarah and Colin in you know here I probably said that then this this High School league AAA award where it's you know it's academics but it's arts and it's Athletics and um I actually you know worked out Sunday um went down to St Peter you know and and joined our our two students and the folks they were with uh really cool picture of of you know Sarah and Colin they were both uh what are called Achievers representing you know one boy one girl from each High School in region 2A and then if we roll that forward uh I should have yeah this is my bad Tiffany there's a list of uh the uh AAA region TWA that's our region winners uh and Colin Hokinson is is it he he's for region 2A so it'll be part of the state competition but on that list and again we've been in that region I don't know 121 15ish years it's a there are no other shaki high school students who have done that and so and and I we were in a region prior to that so uh super cool um appreciate you know that that Colin and I actually had a couple friends with them they took time away from ice fishing the the pike had been biting on the pond they were on the day before and they came down to to St Peter so so is this the um the presentation of the winners at the girl State basketball tournament or is that a different award I believe they do AAA at one of the state tournaments I I that could be yeah and it's oh my gosh they start they read off the resumés of these students and I just sit there and feel wholly inadequate to really even be in the room I mean there there's some pretty impressive uh Young adults cuz I think there's a banquet beforehand and then they get recognized at half time of one of the girls basketball games at least that's the way it was last year I know I've SE yeah I don't remember if it was tripa or Excel or it's just super cool hokenson kids are sh his brother's a doctor what's that he said uh Colin hokin said all those those three boys are all really sharp his brother's a doctor yeah they're they're just he just yeah it just it was fun old enough to be a doctor I mean I know that family is like wow seem that old he's on I don't know what's the the ranks of like doctor from like med school to to whatever I know col from uh he was in scouts at the same time that I always W interesting I kind of like this sort of freelance uh you know District update I think if we're into the fourth hour of the meeting that's that is how we're going to do it from now on just anything you want to add to BU stuff throw it out there yeah all right um systemic structures meeting just you know like Sharon where you know what we were working on we were happen to be at the Shak B Community Center which is also our High School uh reunification Center next uh next meeting will be next door over here Journey Industries and again when you hold meetings in other places you get to know people and how they how they operate and I love that you know um the leadership stuff we've been working on you know District leadership uh you know we our our leadership team from the district office they basically once a month uh uh 10 times a year go out and visit uh sites uh love that and then we had our instruction leadership meeting over at the high school really focusing on building building what are called building leadership teams of course it has an acronym BLT um and uh you know it is really more about the administrative support for that and what are we looking to do and how do we take you know all those pieces and really build good systems um education forwards coming out pretty soon uh that looks like the end of this week I'd say the online version uh I'm not letter from the superintendent a highlight evidently huh so there we go all right and other more highlighting stuff that is it unless anybody else has anything to add thank you dran uh next on our agenda is uh item 11 committee reports and other information uh let's uh start with Tim um as Dr Ed indicated in the district update the MSP conference never ceases to OB the king of speakers uh absolutely energizing it's great to be part of that again um I don't know why I got recognized with my colleague M for participating in learning it's award was that was great um and then I uh I was a stunt double for Mr Smith in the finance facilities meeting today but I will gladly prer uh going forward so I guess this was my last Finance facilities meeting I think for this year all right thank you Jim thanks for doing that yeah I was uh got the pleasure of traveling to Minneapolis like the entire week last week and got to go through phase one training phase two training which Mike and Jim also attended and it was nice to see that they cut out time to go and sit with a rookie and and learn this stuff or relearn it as I'm learning it for the first time and so uh pH the conference having never had it or gone to it before was more was better than expected I should say very inspiring almost felt almost felt like uh like I was cheating other people of sitting there because I have I need the teachers to get that empowered and everybody else like they were so inspiring so and all the breakout sessions and everything I really picked up a lot from it so I I enjoyed that and I definitely attend that every year if possible thank you Caroline um I attended the MSP conference that was actually my first time and I felt it was very empowering I I just love the keyn speakers they talked about trust collaboration and just all that resonated with me and just how it made you energize I just wanted to get up and move um I like the breakout sessions you guys did a really great job presenting so thank you on that um and then just kind of lastly this Thursday it's coach versus cancer uh for the boys and girls basketball team and you know we will be donating the two MERS so it'll be a great event hope to see you there thank you um yeah msba conference uh was great um disappointed that nobody has said how great my speechless but you know I thought now if I now if I do it'll feel like thought Joel wasn't there I I got it pulled up I could read it so Jo doesn't miss out but pretty not fair to have to yeah but no um I appreciate uh everyone being there and support and um you know my my journey as a school board member over the past seven years um wouldn't be where it is today without all of you and everyone sitting around this table and others that have been at this table um while I've been on the board and so um and it's a journey you know there's a lot of bumps in the road but um we know that there's also a lot of challenges coming up with with the state stuff um and what that might look like in this budget year if we get a budget so yeah I I just appreciate everyone's support and it me a lot for you to be there um Southwest Metro meeting last Tuesday we had our organizational meeting and um and then the hockey day um Sean and I volunteered and one the tents and um saw a lot of people there recognized a lot of faces and um so I guess the guy that we were working with at the doors we were letting U people in and out of the tent to go to a area by the rink and uh the guy that was working with us said to my husband your wife's a real social there were so many people that I knew that I you know talk to this person I talking to this person like oh I'm supposed to be volunteering but no it was a great experience and uh yeah I mean the just everybody involved I mean smsc just their dedication and commitment to this event was just unbelievable in Valley Fair and I will say one thing my husband did share with me that he was so impressed with all all the kids going in and out of our tent and how polite they were he was opening the door CU it was cold right so we were just opening the door and trying to keep the heat in as much as possible and kids are going in and out and he's like he said every time I open the door for them they always so so that sh that that's all I have thank you um yeah also msba uh it was a pleasure of Dr rban and Jim letting the cidm on the the presentation and thank you to Tiffany and Amber for for setting setting up the the great uh great presentation it it was a good experience so thanks for letting me participate with you um I was going to mention your speech but now it's s it sounds ins sincere now but um I but I was moved by the fact that you were visibly moved after the inspirational speaker and I was impressed that you were you you were keeping that together you were speaking from the heart and it was that so you were inspiring as well so that's all I have he he almost got me too looking in the yeah got me it was really just the lights cuz I CU literally in true story standing up there and looking at a piece of paper with your remarks on it and then trying to look up you literally saw spots and so it was like okay I can't look up anymore because I literally can't see true story fting those you know whatevers that politicians use up there instead did they have big monitors in the middle or was that just for the one speaker I think that was just for the one speaker because he was over there presenting so because they didn't have not for you at the podium no they didn't in our you know like the script or the order of program they didn't have any of that on that maybe that's a suggestion for might be yeah cuz that's a lot easier inside yeah or bigger fond on the piece of paper I had no idea what to expect to be honest I mean I I didn't know what was going to happen and um so I didn't even know that my gavl um has my name on it though had no idea so just little things like that cool I'm sorry I missed it I wasn't able to attend the uh conference because of it being exactly midon that work and that's kind of uh the days I have to really work except ad been at at month then but um we had finance and Facilities beforehand talked about bathrooms and the budget uh somehow they both fit in uh together really well that's all I got CH yeah uh I also enjoyed msba do to a really interesting talk about um cell phone policy and another one about um like building trust and relationship ship in working relationships um the far as committee stuff e8th grade family nights tomorrow so I plan to go to that and I'm realizing I don't have the other committee meetings on my calendar so I had that my to be list thank you Kim yeah I was just going to highlight great family night and the fact that we're working on transitions for next year already registrations wrapped up we're cleaning that up and uh head into the Staffing as soon as possible fast Tiffany I do not have anything Jesse yeah um go um at our last council meeting um your Human Services Academy came and made a presentation to us about safe routes to school and it's been a project they've been working on for a while now with our city engineers and I want to say they did a remarkable job I learned that they're the ones that put together the SL deck it was so professional it looked like something was done at the city level they handled everything the way they presented it it was just fantastic so you guys have a lot of good things going on so kudos to them thank you Dr rean I think I've said everything that I could possibly say this evening with that uh we'll look at we still have upcoming meetings and important dat you can see on your agenda there uh Tiffany anything worth drawing attention to off the list here got the 8th grade welcome night tomorrow night yeah I think that's the that's the main one and then um we have a lot of activities and things like that that will be coming up there's musicals coming there's events February has a lot going on as well so we'll make sure to keep everyone updated February is I love to read month [Music] MH thank you with that I would entertain a motion to adjourn second have a motion by Peterson the second by broy for discussion seeing none all those in favor I