[Music] we'll call the Shak city council meeting for December 3rd 2024 to order if you could please take the role yes Mr Mayor council member Delany here council member whiteing here council member contras here council member Lara here mayor Layman here item number three if you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all item number four approval of the agenda any changes councelor staff nothing from staff sir Council Mr Lara I'll make a motion to approve the agenda I'll second it motion is second by contarus any discussion on the motion discussion on the motion see seeing none all in favor say I I opposed motion passes item number five consent agenda any changes to the consent agenda uh no changes uh sir but I will say that on 5e we will have a forthcoming maintenance agreement for the two scoreboards uh you can expect that at the next meeting 5e 5 e correct okay I'd like to take 5A off anything Mr whing make a motion to approve the consent business as modified consent agenda second second discussion of the motion m Mr Reynolds you want to read the consent agenda please yes sir these are the consent agenda items for Tuesday December 3rd V on that 5B approves an on sale and Sunday liquor license for Mr Pig stuff LLC doing business as Mr Pig smokery 5c is a road maintenance agreement for 160th Street with Spring Lake Township 5D Awards the 2025 tree pruning contract 5e accepts a donation of two scoreboards from the shaky Youth Football Association 5f accepts a monetary donation as part of donations from the heart program 5G is the FEMA's assistance to Firefighters Grant application 5H is the final acceptance and payment for the lift station 16 Rehabilitation project 5i closes is the closing of the small cities development program special Revenue fund 5j is the final AC acceptance and payment for the th16 169 pedestrian bridge Improvement ments 5K is a declaration of surplus property 5 L is the national Recreation and park Association supporting healthy aging through Parks and Recreation Grant award 5m approves a temporary on sale liquor license for hockey day Minnesota 2025 and 5n is approval of the state legislation specific to shock B for social districts thank you Mr Reynolds we do have a motion in a second discussion on the motion seeing none all in favor say I I opposed motion passes item number six public comments there's anybody here that would like to address the city council on the matter not on the agenda now would be the time to do so second call if there's anybody here that would like to address Council on an item not on the agenda now would be that time staff can jump in here if they want seeing none excuse me we'll move on to item number seven business removed from the agenda consent agenda I took off 5A um I'm not sure are we limiting two two of these businesses across the city or are we is that exactly what we're doing mayor mayor I'm sorry I can't hear you are we are we is this proposing to limit no more than two pawn shops in the city so that's correct so we currently have two and we would keep two and why would we not want to let businesses function by the free markets so mayor and Council currently the way the ordinance is you would allow another one when we hit 50,000 So currently they're regulated already by code so we're limited to two right now 15 this says one per 15 so that would be three for 45 45 I'm sorry yes we're we're going to approach 45,000 probably next year right I'm just not a fan of Mr whing I can add a few uh comments why we'd want to limit I mean uh every transaction our police department has to look at and I know we have a little token fee but I don't think it covers the uh diligence that we got to put into everything that gets put through those shops uh there's added calls I would guess um you know other things like that so there is some scrutiny there and then there's also the potential or possibility that's stolen merchandise gets somehow pawned through there and with gambling facilities in our area we don't want to add to that uh opportunity for people to uh have a issue with that I guess so there's some there's some ideas why we'd want to limit it well I I look at other businesses I'll take alcohol for example 200,000 people a year killed from alcohol uh DWI are up 25% kids under the age of 14 that's killed by alcohol is up by 25% and yet there's a cost for us to do to deal with that issue also but we don't limit that so I I disagree with trying to uh ban legitimate legal businesses within the city I think the market should dictate that if there's not a need and they can't make you know if the if the fees need to go up to cover the cost then so be it but that's my feeling on it so I guess go ahead have a question um is there a applicant that we're uh uh barring at this point uh May Council no and the other thing is if you read the state statute so you take an item that's worth $500 typically they'll loan a percentage of the value so typical loan is $150 and it's 3% interest a month plus fees so it's not considered I think a a good lending model for the community I think the council member waiting's point is we already have a Casino racetrack and card room those are people that are short of money are going there to basically get their money and there are a number of cities that basically the state statute allows us to regulate them any way we want and there are cities outside of this area that basically have banned them because of what council member Whiting said they tend to be a not a good business for the community as far as they're Usery rates are pretty high I mean they're limited by state C to 3% a month yet ours don't come before us with any major violations over all the years either so Mr Delaney I was going to say we had two in the last 20 plus years that's all that's been in the city two businesses Conor I couldn't hear you there's only been like two pawn shops in the city in the last 20 plus years mayor and Council the police chief can address it probably better than I haven't been here that long but there was actually a moratorium at one point and Council decided to settle on two um because there was a lot of concerns and then M Mr Lara go ahead I can ask later okay the other question I had is when I look down secondhand dealers are these also affected or are these not and in hand dealers or are these not affected mayor council secondhand dealers are the only ones that are affected are the Standalone So currently we do not allow except for food trucks businesses to operate in people's parking lots on a regular basis and we have one pretty significant secondhand dealer that's popped in a parking lot it's a um shipping container that people put their goods into it's a for-profit business so basically if you want to have one of those so if you're Goodwill and you want to have a Goodwill box you need to have a location there which is what Goodwill does but otherwise they would not be allowed couldn't we just uh modify the ordinance to say that mayor and Council that's what this is doing well this is limiting the number of businesses so mayor and councel there's two things in this bill one is limiting pawn shops to two the second thing is you have to have a primary location to be a secondhand Merchant okay what does that do to fireworks uh sales out of parking lots fireworks sales get a temporary permit from the fire department okay and and they're Allowed by State Statute and could hand dealers get a temporary permit secondhand pardon me secondhand or could they get a temporary permit no so C we don't allow businesses just to show up and set up in a parking lot they have to be a business so fireworks is good sweet corn is okay secondhand dealer is not okay fireworks are regulated by State Statute right and sweet corn I sweet corn sweet cor is probably regulated by the agriculture Department I think that is that is a got its own thing all right and the difference is is all those things youve described Mr Mayor are all temporary this the secondhand drop boxes are not temporary they basically are there full-time they're 365 days a year 24 hours a day okay Mr L so I'm just I'm curious to um have input from the um Police Department as to like their opinions on the pawn shops and if they're burdensome um if there's any issues um new nuisances that's I'm curious about that mayor and Council I don't remember what year it was but I do remember uh the moratorium and bringing that before you and that was that we were going to have have two pawn shops uh and this was popular at the time around the metro in terms of limiting the number of of pawn shops uh that a city had uh and we was the 45,000 that another one uh could essentially come in uh and buy another license I think we are unique that we have two gambling or multiple gambling venues uh close by and it is work for us uh it's no secret people steal stuff and they go pwn it off and it's it's Instant Cash uh if I'm being brutally honest we have not had the staff to go in and properly audit the current two pawn shops that we have you know I'd like to do a lot more surprise inspections and show me where you're you know um this is being recorded properly and so forth we did see violations when we did that uh before so that is something as as we get fully staffed and everybody off of field training I hope we get back to um but it's it's no secret I mean people go there and pawn stuff and that they stole that doesn't mean everything on the shelves is but it is a it is workload for us for sure so aren't they required to check items they take in to make sure they're not on a stolen items list May or they're supposed to yes okay have we been checking them to make sure that they're not no they're not checking or we're not checking we're not checking we're not checking their work okay but they're they're doing what they're required to do checking it in checking to see if it's stolen see if it's on a list of stolen items and they're supposed to also record you know certain things uh uh get the all the identification uh driver's license you know verify that person's ID that's that's pating the uh you know it's regulated in terms of how the information that they have to collect but um you know we've had some some ups and downs depending on who is running the pawn shop um that's true over the over the years that's not I'm not saying that today but it we have had issues in the past correct me if I'm wrong there's a token fee for each transaction there is a fee um mayor and Council I remember you know this was quite controversial back you know 10 years ago or so some cities were really bumping the fee up and all of the pawn shops Burnsville in particular is one that I think of that um there was quite an outcry from from those dealers whether it was The Gold Guys or um Pawn America and so forth and they pushed back and Burnsville wound up taking those fees out so now they didn't they don't collect any fees um I don't know if they still don't but they took them out back then so uh there was a big push on those fees and any any increase to those fees I think would get significant push uh push back from those businesses but the fees were to compensate us for the police work that we we don't have the time to do the the fees compensate for part of that but also pay for the a the system that they put the uh the Minneapolis runs it let enter each item into yes does City staff know what our fee is mayor council I think it's a dollar is it a dollar transaction transaction and it's been that since the Inception wishes a council have we ever considered um increasing that the fee yeah a staff question has staff considered increasing the per transaction fee mayor and Council we looked at that again several years ago it had to be almost 10 years ago and every city that did that there were newspaper articles about uh the push back that you know was coming before Council when that happened um I don't I don't some of them have higher fees than us but when we've looked at at mayor and Council we've kind of been in the middle you know that's kind of where we've always stood I have not looked at that for years but we the last time we did was probably six seven years ago and we were that $150 is right in the middle of of about where everybody else was they're the they're not the norm in the world because everybody through inflation is Raising prices on everything so this is kind of weird to me that this would be an issue of 10 years of no fee increase through inflation I would add if if we did increase the fee I would expect that we would increase the the uh diligence on spending that fee you know but if we don't have the staff why would we increase the fee from my perspective we could only have currently we could only have one more um and then it would be 60,000 before we'd see another one so it's it's pretty gradual um but the secondhand dealer issue is a is a separate issue and I think what you're trying to accomplish there is to not have these charity boxes around town right the nuisance ones or you want the charity boxes at a location that actually has a a storefront where somebody could go inside also right that's correct mayor okay so couldn't we just change that to make that a requirement that it has to be in a location with a storefront that there Comm May Council it's up to your option you could adopt the portion of the ordinance that only affects secondhand dealers I'm going to make a motion to adopt ordinance 0224 TX 009 amending Title 11 of the city code amending section 113.5 related to pawn shop licensing requirements the reason and move it adoption and if I can comment on that so as you get a second you'll be the first speaker is there a second to the motion second Mr writing the reason is cuz we can if a third after we hit the 45,000 and a third person group comes and wants to have a pawn shop they could uh Lobby us and we could change this ordinance again okay any Mr Delaney can we modify this to leave the pawn shops as is I mean if you want to hit 45,000 that puts you at three I don't think that's a very lucrative business is I'm not aware of it being so it seems like we're kind of jumping the gun just to kind of limit it once we get 45,000 population but I'm okay with part of what we're proposing but not the the limit on free market Mr Thom Mr May yes the answer is yes but you need to act on the motion on the table first before if that passes it passes if it doesn't passed and someone could make another motion to adopt just a portion of it or you could make an amendment to the original motion and then the motion maker and second would have to accept that yeah you could that might be a little yes you could do that okay any other discussion I got I have more questions for staff are they zoned are pawn shops zoned specifically do they have to be fit in a specific area um mayor and Council they're I believe they're allowed in B1 Highway business yeah which is just about any of the retail areas in the city except for downtown the only thing that worries me is that if we adopt a block just a two um or we don't do it and then they come to us to say hey I want to open up a pawn shop and SHP and then we decide to not do it I mean that's kind of setting up like well we'll let these two in but not you guys when we have the opportunity to just not do it at all now does that does that make sense what I'm I'm trying to say is I just would hate to not adopt it and then when they do come when a third one does want to come to us and then we were like yeah no never mind um it's like we either do it now or we don't do it and then let them in when they come because we would have no reason to not hold them some standards American Council there are other that so you have the 3% fee the $150 fee on top of every on top of the items that are Pawn Plus the pawn stores are also allowed to have their own fees so it's sort of I think the reason why there's always push back on City raising their fees is you're already kind of at a Usery rate for people that are desperate for money and now you're charging them more money so they're actually getting less money well if they didn't like the fee increase they could stop doing business and go somewhere else right M that's how the free market works it's the desperation of the people instead what we're going to do is we're going to make these two licenses very very attractive to be sold out at a high price to somebody else to stay under the minimum so if I was an owner of one of these licenses you'd be sitting on a gold mine think a pawn shop has ever been called a gold mine a license we can block uh be able to block it easier by doing this now and if somebody uh comes to us with another pawn shop we can show this they'd have to Lobby us to change this at that time and then we could hold them to whatever first if another one came forward they would have to meet the population requirements that we currently have if uh if it was premature then it would be easy to say no because we' be premature based on population this would stop it so all right any other discussion are we ready to vote all in favor say I I opposed I motion passes 3 to two all right that brings us to item 8A which is a public hearing 2025 budget and property tax levy public meeting and presentation motion to open a public hearing councelor contras mayor make a motion to open the public hearing is there a second second second by Mr Delany discussion on a motion seeing none all in favor say I I public hearing is now open uh good evening mayor and council members uh so tonight we have a public hearing on the 202 25 proposed uh uh budget as well as proposed uh property tax levy uh the okay sorry the city annually adopts a budget and property tax levy for the upcoming year the purpose of tonight's meeting is to provide the public with information on the city's 2025 proposed budget uh and 2025 proposed property tax levy uh and allows the public uh a chance to comment on the proposed um property tax and Levy prior to their adoption uh the $1 bill shown on the slide uh shows the breakdown of property taxes based on preliminary levies uh for a homeowner here in Shaka uh the portion we are discussing tonight uh is the city Levy which represents 26.3% of property taxes paid uh so only about a quarter of your property tax bill funds uh City operations uh and we don't have uh any influence over uh the portion of property taxes paid to the county or the school district uh similar to assess values uh those are determined by the county assessor's office again the city does not have uh influence or control over those uh generally speaking our budget objectives remain uh unchanged from the previous few years uh while in um which include continuing to be one of the lowest tax communities in the Metro uh continuing to grow our tax capacity of existing and new property uh we'll continue to be transparent um and make decisions with the future in mind uh to ensure the city's ongoing ability uh to provide quality services at a reasonable price uh as we went through the budget process we posted budget information on our website uh I've included this presentation as well as our uh full um draft of the budget book as well as on the website uh and then of course uh we have our award-winning budget transparency tools uh which include the budget board that sits outside the city council chambers and then our property tax payer receipt tool um which is on the website where you can enter in your the value of your home and see exactly what your property taxes pay for uh the tool is still available for 2024 property taxes and uh will be updated in the next few months when we get the final 2025 tax rate um I added this uh model this year that depicts the sustainable cycle of city government um at the Forefront of that cycle is um ensuring that we provide highquality services and um which uh continues to maintain that cycle um the model um Illustrated uh sets high quality services as the foundation of a healthy and growing community and shows where um external forces and government action might intervene uh those high quality services Drive uh population growth as more people and businesses want to uh relocate to our community uh population growth drives real estate values both in existing and uh new new value uh the growth in real estate values uh ensure uh Rising tax revenues which pays for the inflation cost of uh our high quality services while keeping a minimal impact on existing um property tax rates uh the cycle is the foundation of our annual budget development and helps identify and explain uh influencing factors uh our role in the cycle uh is to ensure that we're providing those high quality services uh influence the mix of property types um between industrial residential and Commercial and then determine the appropriate mix of paying for those Services whether it's property taxes or user fees uh there were several steps City staff and city council have taken uh to get us up to this point uh including meetings on the city's long-term financial plan Capital Improvement uh and budget uh the city also hosted a budget listening session uh open to the public at the beginning of the process uh the preliminary what Levy was adopted on September 17th and then per state statute our final Levy uh cannot increase from that preliminary Levy it can only um stay the same or decrease uh from a staff perspective we're really happy with how um this budget came together uh and what it accomplishes uh we've seen a 88.5% growth in taxable market value uh 38% coming from uh new construction uh which has limited the impact on existing owners based on the County assessment numbers for 2025 our tax rate will see very little change from where it is today and today we're one of the lowest uh communities in the state with ours being the 11th lowest out of 103 cities in the state with population greater than 10,000 uh 2025 budget includes significant investment in public safety and streets uh which has been a significant driver of other communities as well uh across Minnesota uh 2025 will be our second year of our phased in increase of two Patrol officers um that we added with last year's budget uh we have settled our police uh Union contracts for 2024 25 and 26 uh We've transitioned from uh paid on call to a hybrid full-time part-time uh Staffing model by adding uh additional full-time positions in 2024 as well as proposing a new uh full-time fire inspector position in 2025 and uh for streets uh we proposed to add additional 500,000 of annual funding to help uh support the cost of maintaining those existing streets uh there are 32 cities in the Metro uh with population between 25,000 and 100,000 um based on the most um recent met Cil population estimates uh the below chart provides the 2023 city property taxes for those cities uh calculated using the league of Minnesota City's uh property tax calculator um which is updated um with information each fall um so this uh chart has been updated since you seen it last September um but uh the data shows that we're one of the lowest taxes tax communities in the Metro uh the Department of Revenue website um provides all the preliminary levies Statewide for cities and counties um so this slide shows the compar well and surrounding cities to give an idea of how our proposed uh Levy Compares uh we'll be one of the few cities in the Metro proposing a uh 5% or less uh Levy increase uh Statewide that average is 88.8% um there are a couple of cities uh lower than us if you look at at the table to the left um but those were um you'll see a chart in the future that shows they were the two highest as far as um the cost of city services um already um and I do get a chance to talk to uh many of my peers fin directors from other cities and and a lot their their um budget drivers are lot lot lot of the same as us um and pretty consistent um with new city buildings Street improvements uh fire trucks and police and fire Staffing being kind of the bigger drivers uh the city um Levy Pros tonight is uh 26,7 44,000 uh which is an increase of uh one uh a, 271,000 or 4.99% over last year uh the Eda Levy of 500,000 which is no change from the previous year um this is made up of uh 900,000 or a 4% increase in general fund operations uh and then a 500,000 uh dollar Capital Improvement Levy increase uh this would be slightly offset by a decrease in The Debt Service Levy uh Council approved the use of reserves towards uh The Debt Service Levy um rather than um Levy uh for 2025 uh here's the summary of the 2025 proposed general fund budget um the budget incorporates the general fund portion of the tax levy along with many other budget impact items that I'll cover over the next few slides um included in the council packet again as well as the website um the full budget uh book has has been provided uh our largest portion continues to be Public Safety which includes police fire and building inspection uh police unit contracts and and fire Staffing changes being um kind of the biggest drivers of those for for 2025 uh here's a summary of changes uh impacting the 2025 proposed Levy so the is comparing um what was levied last year um to what is uh being levied this year um which I'll again touch on in more detail on on in a few slides but uh the amounts shown in the red parentheses represent a decrease in the property tax levy uh so as an example uh increase in fee revenues would result in less property tax uh Revenue needed to fund those Services uh so in this case red means good uh through additional revenues and transfers we're able to offset about 1.9 uh million of the increases uh in EXP expenses um so kind of beginning with revenues here um overall impact um on the levy um from non-property tax revenue sources is uh a, 663 th000 uh this includes uh the payment in Li of taxes contribution from the Shak Public Utilities um we have an agreement with them that uh they pay a portion of their their revenues um we estimate that to increase by 330,000 for 2025 uh the city has a joint Powers agreement with Scott County to provide prosecution Services um as part of that agreement we pass through our our our court fine Revenue to the county to offset those prosecution costs uh in the past we did not show that um as a separate Revenue um but per state auditor recommendation we're now showing the revenue on one side and the expenditure on one side uh so no um net impact but you'll see the revenue and you also see the see the expense uh the city City's building permits have been strong over the past few years um as a result of commercial and residential development um development and and building permits are expected to continue but at um a more moderate level than what we've seen over the past few years um the city's 2025 forecast for building PIV revenue is a little less conservative than we had the past um couple of years uh we've actually increased that by 303,000 um for uh so we have a total um budgeted billing permit Revenue in 2025 of 3.4 million uh San Venture will be open for the full year in 2025 uh as a result of proposed fee schedule increases along with um anticipated increased demand for the enhanced amenities out there uh We've uh increased the forecasted revenues by 181,000 um and then um several organizations contract with the Shaka Police Department to provide uh Services throughout the year uh with the addition of the amphitheater we've uh increased that by 175,000 uh that's uh usually offset with um overtime expense um to fill to fulfill those agreements um so you'll also see a corresponding expense um line for that as well what how does that work offset by overtime what does that mean um so the officers will have an opportunity to sign up for those additional shifts um which would be they'd be getting paid overtime but then that would be covered through this contracted Services Revenue the cont the contracted price that's received for the services provided covers the overtime correct and you'll it'll actually be so the fee schedule will be coming through you next um to the next council meeting you'll see an increase in that based on the new Union contracts but that is that does cover that cost okay and what we're talking about is Contracting to like canterberry or to valy fair or something like that right for a public gr or any event where it's required like the river valley days that we did we had two for three hours I think we paid for okay continue yep um Let me let me as we go through slides if there's any questions let's ask them as we go instead of trying to remember everything for the very end okay I got one on the next one okay continue thank you um and then lastly just based on our investment holding and current investment rates uh we have projected a increase in uh investment income too of 150,000 for next year uh moving on to expenses um so oh no I'm sorry re one more slide here um so uh we have budgeted for a net increase in um transfers of 264,000 uh so these are transfers to the general fund from other funds to help pay for operating costs um that otherwise again would be Levy funed uh in 2023 we received um one time Public Safety Aid of uh 1.99 million uh which one of the um one of the items we use the money for was to add two additional officers and to pay for um uh two of those officers in 2024 and then half the cost in in 2025 um so there's a a net reduction in that budgeted transfer of 85,000 uh staff is also recommending to utilize 350,000 of fund balance from the city's self- Insurance Fund to offset um costs associated with the increase in health insurance premiums um funding was of 600,000 was initially set aside in 2017 as we explored our own self um Self Insurance options uh now moving on to expenditures so starting with Personnel um like most other um governments are and cities are are Opera operating costs are being primarily driven by Personnel uh which represents about three4 of our um of the increase in expenditures for 2025 uh wages and benefits account for about 70% of our general funds um operating cost uh the city has three three unions Patrol uh sergeants Public Works and I guess captains now um all three Union contracts were revised in 2024 and cover a three-year period from 2024 to 26 uh the preliminary 2025 budget has been built with the assumption that Union and non-union wages will see an equivalent 3% uh cost of living adjustment uh across uh all employee groups in um Union and non-union uh This months to about 600,000 uh impacts of Market adjustments to Union contracts that were included in um that were not included in the 2024 budget um but approved in 2024 uh net to about 198,000 uh the 2024 budget uh for the fire department included um a deputy chief assistant fire chief fire captain and um and three B Battalion Chiefs so a total of six positions uh which we reorganized this year into two Deputy Chiefs three fire captains an office assistant and two firefighters so eight positions uh additionally the paid on call Firefighters the Fire Relief Association uh were conver converted into part-time firefighters the net cost of those Staffing changes um including uh part-time and overtime is about $500 9,000 uh the increase will be partially offset by the city retaining the state aid payment uh reflected on the operational changes of uh 345,000 uh which previously would be passed on to the Fire Relief Association um the 25 budget also includes a health insurance um increase of 16.7% uh which calculates to about 375,000 uh as we have seen our utilization uh increased quite a bit over the past uh 24 months which has um led to an increase in premiums uh again we plan on uh utilizing 350,000 of fund balance to help offset those costs and uh we're continuing to explore a a pool with Scott County and Scott County cities to see um if it makes sense to do a insurance pool with those um parties as well uh the city was a recipient of a state grant for the cost of a new building official in 2024 uh that Grant will end in 2024 uh but the city is applying for additional uh grant funding to cover the portion of the second year of that position uh that position is now included in the 20 25 budget um for 114,000 uh the city is proposing one new uh position for next year and that would be a fire inspector position uh that would start um in July of 2025 uh this was uh identified in the citygate study for both uh succession planning as well as additional prevention inspection purposes uh that cost for half the year is 63,000 uh and then 2025 is a non-election year so we've removed um election judges from um from the budget and then uh and the engineering division has uh transitioned from in-house development Inspection Services to uh Contracting with an outside engineering firm to do those inspections and reduce their staff count by one position all right let's hold up here C whing non-election year so in the event that we are court ordered to run another election we pay for that correct yeah and you we would have to do a budget amendment for that so it's not included in this budget okay we wa we'll wait for that yeah and we don't know it would look like if it would be a full or a Precinct or what if it even happens so now we would have to wait and see what was ordered and then we would do an analysis of exactly what it would cost and we'd bring that to you and ask for a budget amendment at that time Mr Lara um other 182,000 would you be able to provide us a breakdown other net adjustments yeah so um typically if it's not any anything that's significant enough it it kind of gets pushed together with a bunch of other little items I certainly will provide that to you um so one of those things would be um uh step increases would be part of that um then you would have um you know potentially hiring people at different rates that which will either offset or increase it depending on who the positions were before um yeah I I I would I'm willing to go out on a limb and say it's mostly step increases that would be part of that though if you could uh share that with staff to put out doll a council that'd be appreciated yep um other questions the full-time fire inspector we currently have one correct we do so we're going to have two yeah this would be adding um the role would be a little bit different but it would be and I hate to comment on um somebody else's proposal but it would be adding another position and again it would help with sucession planning for that position and they'd be able to do a lot more proactive uh inspections any other questions okay Carry On thank you $2 million in one year of of wages and benefits is a lot for one year yeah the reality is most of that is police and fire I mean that's uh you know with the restructuring of the fire department and then obviously bringing our police officers to the midpoint of all our comparable cities that's uh that's where that's where that funding oh health insurance is in there and health insurance is a big L too yeah yeah and and like I mentioned on the previous slide I just kind of went back to this to show this so 70% of our budget is or operating budget is Personnel so you know 2 million on whatever 70% of 40 million is is you know percentage wise is not necessarily as much as it looks when you look at it as it from a dollar perspective there you go um the next slide here so um make sure I got my right one here um moving on to operational changes so these are um expected to be continued into future years too so um ongoing changes I guess so the county prosecution cost which I mentioned before uh which is now um which is now um we're showing the revenue and the expenditure side um that's uh 325,000 Plus uh an increase of 17,500 um for this year um inflationary cost of utilities which include electric uh gas water Etc uh which were based on actual costs over the past two two years um software costs have been adjusted to reflect um those um cost increases as well as any software that has been added on in 2024 and 25 um and then uh as a result of the dissolution of the Fire Relief we're now able to um retain the fire state aid payment of 345,000 so that um would be savings uh the city utilizes internal service funds uh for the purchase and replacement of City equipment and Facilities uh the funding source is annual rent which is basically internal charges um to the appropriate departments to help fund the replacement of that equipment um the equipment rent uh increases both as a result of new equipment being added to the schedule as well as increases um year-over-year in the cost of vehicles and Equipment uh we do have a 20-year equipment replacement schedule um that's incl included in our 5year Capital Improvement plan uh that identifies all all of our equipment through useful ice replacement years and costs um for anybody who's interested in in looking at that uh the annual costs for the various internal uh service funds are are calculated based on estimating useful life and scheduled replacement dates um but we've further adjusted the 2025 amounts based on balances and and um and other items uh one example being in 2024 we sold some fire vehicles and the proceeds went into the equipment fund um which has taken which we took into account with the budget request for 2025 and then we adjusted the uh adjusted that the rents and all that yes okay yeah um then one time adjustments so uh general fund um typically we moderate our ups and downs through our our internal service charge internal service funds and our rent charges um however there's a couple of onetime adjustments that were included in this budget or in last year's budget uh that won't be reoccurring in future budgets uh we have three new vehicle uh purchases being proposed for 2025 uh which would be a police side by side uh which would be used at large entertainment events such as concerts at the amphitheater uh the side by side would be uh purchased using tribal funds uh new vehicles are also proposed for the building inspector and proposed for the new uh fire inspector position uh those are being offset um in the budget by uh increase in forecasted building permit revenues uh and then in 2024 we had included um the implementation cost of a Erp system which um hasn't occurred as planned in 2024 but we've set aside the funds and uh the technology fund for for future replacement but that is again a reduction from 2024 uh and then fund balance um in 2024 we utilized 200,000 um to offset um operating costs uh within sand Venture um we've eliminated that uh in the 2025 budget um and aren't proposing to use any general fund reserves meaning um this will be a balanced budget for 2025 um during the capital Improvement plan um we had a work session on August 7th and then we um brought that back on November 6th for city council approval uh we reviewed the projects programmed for 2025 uh the CIP identified 42.8 million projects for 2025 which will be included in in our budget uh costs of maintaining existing streets have significantly increased over the past uh decade uh the annual cost of overlays um and reconstruction projects um in the 2024 to 20 20220 to the 2024 CIP uh we th we're 3.7 million uh that cost is is doubled in the new um the newest CIP the 25 to 29 uh to about 7.5 million uh funding uh sources um which include Capital Improvement the capital Improvement Levy special assessments uh MSA state aid and franchise fees have been remain relatively flat as as those costs have gone up uh so so we are proposing a $500,000 increase um to help uh close that funding Gap um in the past the city has utilized onetime transfers from the general fund and as well as Bond proceeds to support those projects uh which we anticipate um continue to do as needed in the future as well and then I just added the the note from the community survey there um in the 2023 survey two-thirds of the community supported um and or said they would be willing to pay more for uh well-kept and maintained City roads um so we have the city has only two bonds that are being repaid from property tax levies um the most recent one the 2022 a Improvement Bond um in the previous budget uh Council set aside 226,000 to um to basically avoid having to Levy that amount to um pay for the repayment of that that Bond um earlier this year uh Council approved uh the use of an additional 347,000 which uh effectively eliminates the need to um Levy for the 2022 bonds um as a result um we're seeing a levy the impact of that is a decrease in the levy of 121,00 uh moving on to market value information uh which is the other piece of the equation when it comes to how much people are paying or they the tax impact on property owners uh these amounts are from the Scott County's Assessor assessor's office uh the city's tax market value is 8.4 billion uh which is an increase of 658 million or 8.5% from last year um apartment commercial and Industrial uh market value grew at the fastest rates um new uh new construction accounted for about 250 million of the increase in taxable market value um one slide here just to touch on residential um values um the average home um change from last year value change from last year uh was 3.6% for existing homes uh as you can see from this chart um on the right there 70% of homes um had value changes between Zer and 5% um so generally speaking we're not seeing um you know a significant large swing up or down um for residential values uh for taxes payable in 2025 the Homestead market value exclusion will increase from 417,000 to 517 uh the exclusion is based on a sliding scale uh that phases out at 57 ,000 um and so basically it reduces the tax will market value of those homes and then um ultimately it shifts the property tax burden away from those homes onto other properties within the city um I have updated the slide through 2025 um the tax capacity of the city is adjusted for the fiscal disparities program uh which is unique to the 7 County uh metro area in Minnesota uh 40% of our commercial and Industrial growth since 1971 uh gets contrib red into a pool uh in turn we receive a distribution based on our population and market value of all property per person compared to the average market value per person in that seven County Metro Area uh we are one of the largest net contributors to the program um 2024 data um showed that we were nine out of 179 communities uh this chart shows uh shak's fiscal disparities contribution in terms of uh tax capacity uh we've gone from 2.4 milli million um back in 2015 to 9.5 uh million in 2025 and then to put it in context as a percent of total tax capacity it's about 8 8.6% of our tax capacity that we're contributing to the fiscal disabilities program and what do we get back from that nothing how much nothing a big fat zero do they we take care of a lot of our neighbors so now I will say Nate said that this was in the state of Minnesota this actually only exists in the metro area in the whole United States this does not exist anywhere else where we take your money and we give it to somebody else and you're not allowed to use that that's tax dollars that that could go to our roads you forgot the most important piece we take your money and we against our will give it to somebody else yeah it's a terrible program your money against your will and they take our money against their right and it's given to communities with no need basis right not to mention any names but including some of our neighbors yeah and and and it's been a formula that hasn't been updated forever so it but to change a formula to maybe more ACC reflect some unique circumstances based in that we know about probably won't ever happen I I've been part of two legislative uh committees to look at this and figure out how we could update it mhm and we still have not been able to crack the code on it how about abolish it and start over right got to have a plan I I would be all in favor of that the problem is is there are more people communities that get than give than give right and so then it's just a matter of Base politics well they can still get they just get it from a different Source if the state this so much the state can fund it carry on yeah so one more one more comment on this because um it is pretty significant um just how much it's increased over the past year um 2.8 million or 42% just from the last year so we've seen a pretty big um uptick as we've had some Industrial and Commercial properties come onto our TX R um this uh the city levies a flat dollar for taxes which is spread against all taxable properties within the city based on their percentage of total tax capacity uh residential represents 45% of the city's tax capacity uh in comparison to this chart last year um it's about 1.6% less um in in tax capacity um so uh again this chart is in percentages but if you want to think of it in dollar terms it works out approximately the same way so for every dollar the city requests in our Levy um for uh 2025 um it's about um 45 cents of every dollar being paid by residential uh one chart on historical um tax rates um over the past 10 years um So based on um current data the proposed tax levy will have a slight increase um on the tax rate from um 27.4 to 2.73 um but overall you can see past 10 years we've seen a declining tax rate number will change slightly when the county gives their final numbers but numbers should be pretty close um lastly I want to touch on the impact on the median value home uh the value of the median value home in the past year increased um 300 by um from 338,000 400 to 35,700 uh which is a $112,000 300 increase or 3.6% uh for the media value home this equates to a 2020 20 $22 sorry I'm bad with twos today a $22 increase for a 2.5% increase in property taxes um absent any change in value so if you took that same home valued at 350,000 last year and it was still valued at 350,000 this year uh they'd actually see a tax decrease of about 15 bucks excuse me um so the tax impact on um every home in shabby will be a little different based on their value change but this provides a comparison the tax change I could use that theme music no long presentation there's there's an incentive for you right yeah so so depending on what your home um the home value changes at it's going to impact everybody a little bit differently but wanted to provide a little bit of a comparison to provide um home values in different ranges um so if you're in the 25% quartile um and your home increased at the same amount the average home increased I'd see see about a $12 tax increase uh if your home was valued in the 75th per toll about 433,000 uh you'd see about a $37 uh increase um here's that cost of uh services that I mentioned earlier um so this is a $300,000 home utilizing 5,000 gallons of water um and it shows uh what that home would pay in property taxes and then uh uh city sewer and and storm utilities uh so those are the utilities that the city's responsible for um this is based on 2024 obviously I don't know what 2025 rates will be yet for these different cities uh but the annual cost of shab is lower than our Pure comparison cities at 1,96 uh the other cities range from 1,290 to 240 and this is the slide that shows where in Grove Heights in Golden Valley who actually are taxing less than us and percentage wise this year are showing showing their true colors and how much they actually tax and why they don't need to tax as much this year yeah that's why it's they showed an increase well they they they were down with us they're below us in how much they're increasing their tax on a percentage wise but the reason why is because they already tax the most of the comparables yeah so then I was just going to mention the Casto shock actually went down from 2023 to 2024 as our tax rate went down um and then our utility changes were pretty minimal the only other city listed here that had their tax r decrease for 2024 was kunon Rapids um I don't have much to say on the schedule but I put it in here for reference the only thing I was going to mention is um what people received from the county in November um for their preliminary estimate statements is is basically what we're presenting tonight um and then my final slide here is just a reminder this is a public meeting the public is welcome to speak on the budget and or tax levy uh after tonight's meeting the budget will come back to City Council on December 17th for final approval so no action is required tonight except to allow people to speak and comment on the budget all right um questions the uh we transferred what 2.2 or 2.1 million unspent dollars into the capital Improvement fund on top of the levied 700,000 24 for a total of about 3 million so now we put $3 million in in 2024 and now we're raising the CI the capital Improvement fund Levy by 500,000 even though we put an extra 2 million into it we have Road bubble well it's just it's in inflationary pressures on on what it's costing to build roads I mean it's yes we are and we will put more in in the future because costs are increasing so how do we see in this budget that same unspent Millions that'll eventually go back into the capital Improvement fund I mean you're showing us a budget but you're not showing us that unspent portion that goes into the capital Improvement fund um well I'll answer answer this a couple different ways and if you want me to answer differently I can but um so obviously we don't know how the 2025 budget will will end up right we're not going we don't know how we're going to end up at the end of the year for 2025 quite yet and I know we've we've became a little less conservative with some of a revenue forecast so where you're seeing some of these um you know some of these surpluses we it it might not be something you see see every year so we've been we've been lucky enough to have surpluses and I think we've used them the right way with onetime expenses such as putting it towards CP and and other things that were were one time in nature um but you know the Gap continues to grow for some of these Street projects you know I I had that slide in there that showed just how much it's gone up over the past five years and even if we have $7 million worth of projects a 5 to 10% increase you're talking you know 00,000 each year those costs are going to go up so the idea the idea is just to kind of close that Gap and make it a little bit more manageable so if we do have surpluses we can continue to do it that way and not have to raise it even further couple years down the road Mr you know we when the the 169 Bridge came and uh built out shaki and all those roads were built 30 40 years ago and now it's time to fix them and maintain them I think in the in the future you know we know that this road and and construction bubble is going to hit us at this time and we plan for it at least that um but the things we're doing with the lining of the sewers and some of the pavement uh uh chemicals that are are new and uh we're we're trying them I think in the future we'll have a lot less uh I'm hoping pavement uh uh reconstruction and and costs in our in our CIP uh because we're planning ahead and doing things right now um and along with that uh you know we've we've added uh our staff we've paid our staff a good wage and a good increase and we've added staff um we got to take care of our roads too yeah other questions okay this is a public hearing if there's anybody in the audience that would like to speak on this matter now would be the time don't hesitate to step up to the microphone and be glad to have your comments anybody second second call I thought someone was going to get up second call if there's somebody that would like to address uh the Council on this matter proposed budget for 2025 it is a public hearing now would be the time to come forward we'd love to hear your comments and I'm seeing none Mr Whiting I'll make a motion to close the public hearing I'll second motion second discussion on the motion any discussion seeing none all in favor say I I opposed public hearing is closed uh this was an informational item so there is no action to take thank you Mr Reinhardt for your presentation and that will take us to item number nine recess for Economic Development Authority meeting make a motion to recess to our Economic Development Authority meeting second Mr Delaney any discussion on the motion all in favor say I I opposed motion passes I call to order the Shaka Economic Development Authority meeting for tonight uh December 3rd um staff if you could please take note of the role um we will jump we don't have a approval for an agenda and our report is the Eda Bill list for our viewing any questions on that no none um number four I'll make a motion to approve the agenda and the reports and a motion to ad jur I'll second it and I'd like to speak to it um we have a motion in a second again and go ahead well I I want to delay otherwise it'd be a new world record for the shortest meeting we may hold that right now well you um you already hold the record so it's nothing on you right um what's next sorry we don't have anything else a motion in a second so everybody in favor say I I oppose motion passes um number four what are ajour we just did that oh we did we're done there you go y all right very wasn't one one minute one minute I'm going to give you the record on that one oh yeah I I think CER contrs has it um item 11a County Road 17 reconstruction project presentation Mr Jordan good evening mayor and Council I'm here before you this evening to give you a status update and an overview of the Scott County County Highway 17 reconstruct project uh before we get started I'll give you a little bit of History um I'm going to call it County Highway 17 but it's also known as Marshall Road so for context for everyone listening um back in 2009 Scott Cony partnered with uh the city of shaki a City of Prior Lake and mindat to conduct a corridor study along County Highway 17 um it was identified that the county needed a future north south principal arterial roadway um essentially what a principal arterial is it's the highest functioning classification roadway that you can have the think US Highway 169 think County Highway 42 through Burnsville and through portions of uh uh Savage as well um so the county wanted to preserve a location to have a future north south roadway as this area of Scott County grew um the goals at the time of completing the study was that they wanted to develop a long-term vision for County Highway 17 south of County Highway 42 um and then preserve that principal arterial core coridor uh the image on the right is an excerpt from that study back in 2009 uh the area that we're going to be focusing on today is more shown in blue that segment B uh summary of the corridor study findings was um County Highway 17 and trunk Highway 13 are located in future growth areas this was based on the Scott County 2030 um comprehensive plan based on land use guidelines that they identified that this area of Scott County was going to grow in the future um they didn't know how fast it would grow but they can make assumptions and projections at that time um also based on how the roadways are constructed at this time um based on the population forecast that those roadways would be unacceptable for traffic operations they're not built to handle the increase in traffic if development does happen as programmed um so at the time with the study back in 2009 the designed solutions for County Highway 17 included constructing the roadway as a four-lane divided Expressway with a 60 MPH design speed preserving a 200t right of way Corridor constructing trails along both sides of the roadway um having wider shoulders that could be utilized for Transit and bus lanes and then intersections improvements at County Highway 42 more than likely an interchange and then providing Access Control at the local roadways that would be constructing medians along County Highway 17 limiting the number of accesses along the road Mr Jordan do you know if uh the county Incorporated any possible purchases by the smsc into land in the area uh when they made that study in 2009 yeah thank you Mr Reynolds um that was not part of the assumptions at the time uh back during the comprehensive planning the county use their best guesses along with the cities to determine based on existing land uses and future land uses how those properties could develop um they weren't forecasting that those properties could be purchased and then uh remain undeveloped at the time so moving forward um Beyond 2009 the county and the city partnered on several project improvements along County Highway 17 we'll start um in 20 2012 the county reconstructed the intersection of County Highway 17 and County Highway 42 to an interchange uh moving North in 2013 they reconstructed County Highway 17 between County Highway 78 and 17th Avenue as a four-lane divided roadway 2015 they worked between 42 and 78 and constructed that road as a fouring divider roadway and then in 2020 they reconstructed County Road 42 to the east of 17 uh between County Highway 17 and County Highway 83 essentially they took that plan from 2009 and prioritized Investments along the areas basically north of 42 and in speaking to County Road 42 um this Council was essentially unconvinced about investing in that property when that came before us in 2020 uh and both Mr kiry and I talked about the development that was going to occur north of 42 uh and that swayed this body uh to support that effort subsequently after the construction of 42 the smsc purchased all the land north of 42 uh and none of that uh is available for development at this point and uh I think if the council would have known about that at that time uh the investment that we put in 2.1 million I think we put in from the city into County Road 42 essentially was for not Mr Jordan did you say they upgraded Marshall Road to a four-lane divided in these areas because I'm thinking if I drive Marshall Road right now and I head south it's not divided where the most of the traffic is um just south of 169 that's it's not divided up the hill it's not divided to 42 it's it's 42 divided that's what 42 is divided but the rest of Marshall Road is not divided the only the only exception is well I don't think there is an exception in this picture there's some I I don't think Marshall Roa is divided anywhere that I that I can think of uh I'll I'll prepare an exhibit later on to show you what the Forlan facility looks like north of 42 but um Mr Mayor thanks for your questions I'll I'll have a map that shows what those improvements looked like at that time well I'm talking about these 12 Improvement 13 Improvement 15 Improvement I thought you said they during them improvements they improved them to a four lane divided and that's not that's just not accurate if I spoke I'm I'm going to clarify I'm I I will show you what I I'll bring up the designs and look at those Mr Mayor I mean we we all drive that road is it is Marshall Road divided n clature maybe terminology I don't know yeah I don't I I'll I'll pull up an exibit I don't have one right now in this in this graphic but I'll show you what it looks like here and maybe it's nomenclature and in discussions of what that means thank you um so uh I apologize for the formatting of this text but uh the county reconvened a work a work group in 2022 um to refocus their efforts on the County Highway 17 Corridor um that was a partnership effort that the county decided to move forward based on some of the changing land uses and knowing that um basically in the 2009 study that as we're approaching 2030 at the time they were assuming that improvements would be needed to County Highway 17 south of 42 so the county took the initiative to uh bring the group together to reconvene the study and determine what the updated long-term plans should be for County Highway 17 that study really focused on the corridor between chunk Highway 13 and County Road 42 so essentially south of the improvements that they made previously um the goal of that study is develop to develop a safe Corridor to accommodate existing and future users um they know that growth hadn't happened as quickly as what they assumed in the 2030 land use plan um when they went back and look at the traffic forecasting and the numbers that they're seeing today essentially volumes were lower than what the 2009 study estimated um really what they forecasted is that that four-lane facility wasn't needed until about 2045 where the previous study showed that it was needed in 2030 however as they were reviewing the traffic operations and traffic counts um the crash rates and segment severity rates were both at exceeding the critical rate or at the expected crash rate meaning that there was a crash or a safety problem along County Highway 17 so although the four lane facility wasn't needed at this time right now there's an accident issue that's happening along the corridor and improvements should be prioritized in order to address those crash issues um also they wanted to evaluate whether Access Control should be implemented compared to what a principal arterial uh should look like um so essentially a principal arterial that highest functioning classification should they Implement that now at this time given that the traffic volumes aren't growing as quickly as what they assumed um and they also want to look at well we have such a long project quter between trunk Highway 13 and County Road County Highway 42 should we break this project up into manageable segments and where do those traffic volumes change as you go along that Corridor Mr Jordan so a four-lane roadway is not needed currently correct that's correct but we do have safety issues that's correct can you address safety issues without doing a four-lane roadway uh M uh Mr Reynolds you definitely can right now A County Highway 17 is a two-lane undivided roadway meaning the North South traffic that drives against each other has no barrier between themselves so if you have an accident where a vehicle runs off the road or leaves their Lane you could have a a potential for a head-on collision or things like that so widening the roadway and creating a median between the roadways could address some of those safety issues address some of the runoff Road crashes also the crash rates at intersections exceeded the critical crash rate because there's no act act intersection control right now we have side street stop conditions so Vehicles entering onto County Highway 17 um could have accidents where they're counting high-speed roadways um potentially if you do intersection improvements we could decrease what that crash rate is and improve some of the safety So based on that the county prioritized wine to do these improvements ahead of actually constructing what the principal roadway would look like so um the study recommendations where we're at today um the County's been working from 20 22 to today they've identified that they wanted to focus the first project which will cause phase one um for construction in 2027 which would be between County Highway 42 South to County Highway 82 County Highway 82 is the road if you go east of Shak it would take you right along Mystic Lake Casino and Dakota Ice Arena if you head east into Prior Lake and County Highway 42 is where the interchange currently exists um so that's the area that the county wanted to prioritize as phase one of construction um based on the recommendations following that traffic analysis they would recommend constructing a two-lane divided limited access roadway essentially one lane in each Direction but having that divided median separating the lanes of traffic uh they would propose constructing trails along both sides of the roadway including grade separation and I'll show you what that looks like in a little bit here um to promote Mobility they're working on a project right now to the West within shaki um the Maran Junction trail which essentially um builds a pedestrian facility across the Minnesota River which would continue to extend along County Highway 14 that trail would then connect to County Highway 17 and provide uh pedestrian connections further to the north into Shaka um they are proposing uh constructing roundabout improvements at County Highway 82 and County Highway 14 intersections that's a little bit different because in a principal arterial they'd be looking at grade separation for inter at intersections so essentially interchanges rather than roundabouts so they scaled back on the approach um for what they'd be proposing as an interim Improvement and then they'd still be recommending access control and I'll show you what that looks like at local roadways which would include Marcia Lane Norton Drive Eaglewood Lane and private driveways onto the roadway um this was in your packet this is a draft project layout um this is really hard to see on the screen but um I will zoom in onto the three areas in red on the screen here to show you really what the details look like of the proposed improvements this is the County's first draft of the layout essentially taking their analysis that they've done over the last two years and putting a new recommended design so we'll start on the south at the County Highway 82 intersection uh again North is to the right East is to the bottom of the screen that would take you essentially by the Dakota Ice Arena um essentially what they're proposing here is a um a interesting roundabout it's a multi-lane roundabout with uh with a bypass lane for South traffic meaning that if you're traveling south on County Highway 17 you don't necessarily need to go through the roundabout to continue going south you could bypass the roundabout have your own slip lane that'll continue at a higher speed um not needing to go through this intersection um and then they're also proposing two westbound Lanes to circulate the intersection essentially they're looking at traffic coming from Mystic Lake Casino and Prior Lake there's a higher volume of people coming from the East and wanting to go north into shaked to access Highway 169 and then increas in capacity from the south for Northbound traffic providing two lanes one eastbound Lane and one northbound lane um this design really is based on the current traffic forecasting for something that can last 20 years based on how it's constructed and we'll move to the north here this is the County Highway 14 intersection very similar design except that bypass lane is Northbound now so you'd have additional traffic basically coming from the East and PRI in Prior Lake at County Highway 82 heading north along County Highway 17 to 169 you would need to go through this roundabout intersection to continue North to increase that Mobility uh the rectangles in Orange are pedestrian underpasses um the county is proposing these because this Trail section would connect to that Maran Junction trail that they're focusing on which would extend further to the West along County Highway 14 um they're proposing these underpasses because then pedestrian traffic can navigate through the roundabout intersections without needing to go at an ACG grade crossing um reconstructing these roadways provides the opportunity to change grades and make dropping in those culverts easier to get under the roadway this would be very similar to what we saw out at County Highway 17 or 78 um at zumbro Avenue by the High View Park development where you'd have an underpass under the County Highway which would connect the trails on both sides uh next is the access changes for the local streets um these are the three local roadways that connect to County Highway 17 which in in the first phase project area uh I'll start on the left which is Eaglewood Lane this is the roadway that's the furthest south of the project Corridor essentially it's just north of County Highway 82 this is Eaglewood Lane uh the County's proposing to restrict that to a right in right out meaning that you can only access Eaglewood Lane if you're coming from the north with a right turn and the only movement you can make leaving Eaglewood Lane is making a right turn to the South um it's important to note that Eaglewood Lane does not connect to any other roadways currently at this time um all of these properties are only accessible at County Highway uh 17 at Mr Jordan those those those residents will have to go through round and roundabout to get going the other direction then and they're not going to like that that's correct and I'll get into some of the details as well with what these access changes mean for all of these residents and local roadway connections uh the county does have plans in the future um to allow local accesses to continue to be constructed within Scott County meaning that essentially at some time properties to the West May develop and those local roadways May connect up to County Highway 14 or other roadways where you'd have alternative routes um but that wouldn't be the case today upon opening the roadway the next intersection would be Norton drive this um this roadway is on the East uh it's the one in the center of your screen uh there's a culdesac roadway so again it does not connect to any other roadway connections the County's proposing to restrict that to a right in right out um the one caveat to that is there proposing at Marcia Lane to construct um somewhat of a U-turn movement where they'd create almost a culdesac so if you would leave Norton drive and head north you'll be able to make a left turn at Marcia Lane to make a uturn to head back to the South if you're leaving your neighborhood Mr Jordan at night to you night I met Mara it's it's Marsha Lane oh sorry thank you Marsha Lan I very much appreciate that uh so again Norton Drive is located to the east or to the north I'm sorry right in this location it's a culdesac roadway meaning there's no other access points so that would be restricted to right in right out now as we go North to marshalene um uh the count is proposing to allow left turn movements in and right turn movements in to marshalene but only right turn movements out now that's pretty critical because marshalene has no other access locations to the north outside of an inbound movement at County Highway 17 which is a little funky if you imagine where you're at at The Interchange at 42 you can make a right turn if you're heading south on County Highway 17 into Marshall Lane but this entire neighborhood needs to make um the only access is County Highway 17 at this location where they can make currently today left and right movements out of their neighborhood the county is proposing to restrict that to um a right out movement only and when we talk about the access restrictions the count is basing this on the future designation of County Highway 17 which is a prince for R2 Road way um in the County's Transportation plan they have um access spacing requirements for different access types for a principal arterial roadway their access spacing is uh full access would be designated at one mile increments so this would be at County Highway 42 at County Highway 14 and County Highway 82 are roughly mile one mile apart that meets the full access spacing requirements and then limited accesses need to be spaced a half mile apart so that would be what the access control is based on as they wouldn't based on the future policies um of a princip arterial those local roadways do not meet that full access spacing requirements now that's pretty critical because we're a little bit in limbo between is this a principal Aro or is this meeting the current designation of the roadway with certain upgrades um currently County Highway 17 is designated as a minor arterial roadway so a little bit lower classification those standards are for a full access roadway they're quarter mile and for limited access it's 8th mile so it's much less restricted than a principal arterial roadway and based on the current spacing of those local roadways would they would meet the quarter mile full access spacing requirements um so just to put that into context with the future classification they do not meet the full access the current classification today they do meet the quarter mile access spacing what's the effect of the residents that actually live in those neighborhoods Mr Jordan that's what this slide will show you so we'll start um on the north at Marshall Lane so if you wanted to go north out of Marshall Lane to go into downtown Shak let's say along 17 uh you would essentially need to go 1.1 miles out of the way to go south and make a u-turn at the roundabout at County Highway 82 to go back North so there's no way if I live in that neighborhood that I'm going to be able to go north where frankly the majority of someone leaving that area is going to go whether it be shaki or the Twin Cities area uh unless they're going and working on a farm in the rural area of Southern Scott County or the casino every one of those or or or the casino every one of those residents on every trip are going to have to drive 1.1 miles go to a roundabout in order to go north that's correct and that's based on the County's current draft layout and preliminary design which I'm presenting to you today how many residents do we know are in that Community I believe there's just under 40 residents within that area uh the next we go south Norton drive now because it's on the different side of the roadway those residents are able to make a right turn and go north the challenge with Norton Drive is if you're coming from the north if you're coming from 169 or coming from County Highway 42 to be able to get into Norton drive you would need to go 7 miles out of your way to the south on County Highway 14 and make a u-turn at the roundabout to get back to your property so it's a little bit different because this is getting to your house as opposed to leaving your house but again these are neighborhoods that are landlocked there's no other alternate roadway connections so they're right in right out out s restrict how they move and and leave their properties and the last is I don't have an exhibit for this but this is Eaglewood Lane this is the southernmost one this um property is on the west side of County Highway 17 they're closest to County Highway 82 uh for anyone leaving Eaglewood Lane wanting to go north they would need to go a half mile out of their way south to the County Highway 82 intersection and make the U-turn to go back North on County Highway 17 so we have all these neighborhoods that are affected by this potential uh County project do we know how many residences we are are looking at with these three all of them it's around 75 total residents I would say within the city of Shak I can get that number for you Mr Reynolds yeah just a quick question has there been a public comment period for this development uh uh thank you Mr Lany I will get into that the county is planning to host a public open house um in January for this project I wanted to make sure I could bring this before the city council before that public meeting so you're prepared for when residents pose questions to you especially our Shak residents that are directly impacted by these access changes um to my knowledge um residents aren't aware of these changes at this point right now because none of this has been made public outside of potentially this meeting tonight um I do know that Prior Lake also I think presented this to their council with some of the changes with their project I don't care about um getting into project cost and funding this is a pretty significant project the scat County 2035 2030 2025 2034 draft Transportation investment program or tip uh programs this project uh for a total project cost of $37.5 million um that includes $2 million for design $10 million for RightWay acquisition again because they're preserving that principal arterial Corridor there's a very large right of way that needs to be acquired to construct these improvements and construction is programmed for $25.5 million um construction is programmed between the years 2027 and 2028 uh with design happening basically over the next year and right of way uh in the year of 2026 uh in the County's draft tip they've included $ 1.015 million of funding from the city of shabe for our share now that cost is calculated based on a 5050 split of the trail and pedestrian improvements only along the project so essentially they're not requesting funding from the city of shabe for the roadway improvements requesting funding for half of the trail cost that would be split between Scott County and city of Shaka cost um it's a little bit different from their cost participation policy because this is somewhat in between limbo between a principal arterial and a minor minor arterial roadway if um if we looked at it just as a minor arterial our share would be much higher um our share is very limited to what those Trail improvements are the county is not following their own policy they're making an exception with this project been deviating slightly um because it's somewhat of an interesting project that it's not as black and white taking away our argument I'm going to I'm going to hold off until you get done with your presentation that's fine I only have one more side left okay um so next steps uh and schedule so tonight I'm I'm here before you simply to collect your feedback so I can share it with Scott County um and their staff and their board um so that they can make decisions moving forward especially going into that open house if our Council has concerns I want to make sure that they're aware of it before they go meet with our public as well um again the county will host that public open house sometime in the winter of 2025 they've alluded to January but potentially that could slide between January or February I know they haven't selected a date yet and then moving forward they would go into design in 25 and 26 acquire the necessary right of way in 2026 and Construction in 27 and 28 and I'm more than happy to stand for questions Mr Jordan I noticed uh uh there weren't any slides talking about the ownership of property oh looky there I figured you might ask that question so uh it's my understanding that 50% of the land that's in the city of shaki is actually owned by the smsc that affects this project is that correct that's correct well it's the smc's not that's not correct and I'm going to tell you why and some of my comments and I guess I can just go ahead and start with my comments okay I was just saying that I didn't see the smc's cont reason the reason it's not correct is because if you take a a larger snapshot one of the arguments that's being made is that this is going to be a a principal arterial for all this population that's coming this way um when in fact we are building more out to the west west yeah okay so and even if the population wanted to build on 14 and go to 17 that too is is largely owned by the mokan which is not included in the 50% so actually the impact on Marshall Road at at 14 in Marshall Road or 17 coming from 14 is going to be minimal because a lot of that land is not developable so the other comments that I had was uh when Shak is not funding this project other than Trails the the county is using the County transportation tax money and shpi residents are probably the largest contributors to that sales tax pool as the largest city in Scott County um so yeah it might not be coming from our tax levy but it's coming from our residents uh and businesses that pay that in Shaka um I I'm I don't like the fact that they want to take some of the these neighborhoods and just lock them and I'm really concerned more so with uh eag what was the one closest to 82 that's Eaglewood that that one there they're going to run them over to the 82 roundabout that's probably the most dangerous intersection on this stretch roadway currently so we're going to force some residence down into into this and this is going to be the busiest out of all of the intersections um I don't know how many head-on crashes we've had on this road um I can imagine there's a lot you know there's crashes at 14 there's there's probably most at 82 it's just the most populated it's got the hill on the south that you're coming down you've got a turn that coming from the north that you can't really see from 82 um around the corner so you know I get I get trying to make some improvements um I'm not sure I'm sold on this particular plan um especially for locking some of these residents like that that's that's not good and I think the population estimates I would be more apt to say that we're going to see more of a a southern movement on the West Side um than than from what we currently have in shock be using Mar Marshall Road going south and I get to the old 09 be uh I was here for that that concept was was based on a lot of different scenarios that just don't play out today one is you know you had this thought that you were going to have more development going south uh on on Marshall Road but the land has been sold also on 14th so so when you look at the west side of Shaka um there's a potential for some of that traffic to come up 14 but they're not going to travel all the way across to Marshall Road to go south when they can turn on Marytown Road and go to 282 so I I don't know what the answer is for the north south for the Cy's plan um and I think 13 tying in with 282 plays a lot into this um and maybe that's an option to be looking at maybe we we do a East West that connects to 13 13 South will take you to 282 take you South all the way to 19 to another East West so you know there it's a state highway where there's other funding sources for expansion I don't know what prior Lake's position is on that but um that's my preliminary thoughts on it Mr whing this road doesn't meet the criteria for a principal arterious arterial so it doesn't meet the standard of having the limited access at the one mile it it should have a full access at these roads that's my point I know in the future I don't see this I think it was uh premature to make this uh the principal arterial for the county I think we've moved that to the West with our development and with what the SSC has bought all this property so to to me the the north south is going to be uh where we're building it out uh for traffic patterns um I think this needs to go back to a full new study in council member writing I I can address some of your comments there um when the county continues to look at this as a prince baral nor South roadway they're envisioning that it's combined with trunk Highway 13 where trunk Highway 13 would be turned over to the state uh or I'm sorry County Highway 17 would be turned over to the state and trunk Highway 13 team would be returned to the county that's in the County's 2040 Transportation plan um Prior Lake also has worked on annexation agreements with the Spring Lake Township where potentially there's more development happening to the South along County Highway 17 that was part of these forecasts as well um and then I would agree that we're definitely not seeing the same level of traffic in in traffic impacts based on the fact that SMC has purchased a lot of land in the area it won't be developed but there will be more development to the south of Shak that will increase traffic along this roadway and the county is looking at a phase 2 project which would include making some of the changes at the trunk Highway 13 282 intersection to realign more of that traffic north south rather than an East West Focus to continue East on trunk Highway 13 um and then lastly to that point is the county in their um 10-year Transportation plan they do include constructing an East West roadway essentially connecting Dakota County to 169 which would connect to Dakota County Highway 7D um and I can't remember which Scott County roadway that is but essentially they do have a plan to construct that east west south roadway in this area to provide additional traffic capacity East West as well um Mr Mayor to your point there they have 282 already uh they do and I think there's a missing link that provides more direct connections to other principal arterial regionally and I think they're looking more region-wide how those accesses connect I I just can't support cutting off these neighborhoods NE and and council member waiting to your point um the county bases their policies um on their future designations of the roadways given that this is a future principal arterial they make their Access Control decisions based off that um when we say it doesn't meet the criteria of a principal arterial roadway there isn't there isn't as cut and dry when that um when that change happens between a minor AR wants it I would agree and I would say currently today and how they're building it they're not constructing it to a principal arrial so maybe um there is some negotiations between how those accesses change and could there be a compromise between the principal arterial and the minor arterial to provide some better connectivity and maybe increase some of that access control or decrease some of that access control that they're looking at so getting that feedback from our Council and sharing with them um definitely is important because that'll help the county make those decisions if you put that ownership map back up you can see why they're why they're making those properties more undesirable uh if you want to look at it from a conspiracy point of view uh just fill in the fill in the orange there and um there you go uh make those more desirable lower lower value uh easier to pick up um I don't see see any value to Shak with this project me nether there's there's value value in 20 30 years but not to the neighborhoods that are going to have to deal with the issues there's clear value in addressing the 82 intersection there from a safety standpoint absolutely right there's some value you know years ago they realigned 14 so instead of being at an angle um they made it straight so it's a t which made it a little safer and at some point you know there's going to be some value at in making that intersection safer how you do that is up for debate whether it's a stop light or a roundabout or whatever um but I don't think I think I think two roundabouts 14 and 82 would go a long way to slowing some of this traffic on an occasion it's almost like a mandatory yield sign because it would actually slow traffic down for a period of time by the time they built up their speed they would be doing it again at 14 or vice versa 14 to 82 um I I just don't uh I drive this road I just don't see the the only issue I have with this road is at 82 um I look at 14 slow down somebody's going to pull out in front of you that does happen shouldn't but it does um so that would be an improvement if they wanted to put a roundabout there but I I'm not convinced that there's going to be enough SHP drive for this kind of major major revamping and hardship to all these properties at this time mhm that's my comments Trail is a whole another issue right like the trail you know I you know I'm wondering you know it's what what is the cost to shaky for the trail portion of this it's like 1 1.1 million I think it was and Mr Mayor is 1.01 million yes does that include all the tunnels Mr Mayor that's correct so the way that their funding is split is that basically we'd pay for let's call it one Trail on the east side the county would pay for the trail on the west side and we'd split the cost of the tunnel half and half um I I believe that their cost estimates are based on just one pedestrian underpass they're showing two at this location and the reason why they're showing two is that if the Marin Junction trail ends up on the south side of County Highway 14 then they would want pedestrians to be able to cross under the tunnel to get to the North to get to the other tunnel if the Marion Junction trail ends up on the North side of County Highway 14 they would only look at constructing one tunnel so I believe that their estimates that they gave us are BAS B on just the scenario of one pedestrian underpass at this intersection um which the city and county would share 50/50 Mr Mayor to your point on the benefits to the city of shaki um there is a demonstrated um safety issue along this Corridor it's it's noted at County Highway 14 and County Highway 82 I I mentioned that the crash rates exceed the the critical crash rate which demonstrate that there is an accident problem um so the county is prioritizing Investments to improve safety along this Corridor and and that safety Improvement are those roundabouts at that intersection which have demonstrated that they will reduce the severe and fatal crash rates at a high-speed roadways so those Investments I believe are targeted to address the safety issues um they have I will share that they have significantly scared scaled back what they've recommended at these intersections there was a period of time where they recommended interchanges to be constructed initially with this first phase um rather than burdening taxpayers and and um constituents with those costs that probably aren't Justified they have scaled back to construct to propose roundabouts at these intersections um then when we look at the segment severity which is essentially crashes along the roadway not tied at intersections essentially they're right at that critical rate which shows that there's potentially a safety issue but more than likely there's a safety issue and again those are the runoff the road accidents so proposing dividing the roadway but keeping it one lane in each Direction improves that situation IT addresses some of those safety issues along the roadway there could be opportunities to provide um better access while still dividing the roadway which you could include left turn Lanes along County Highway 17 and and accesses or you can make left outs at our local roadways as well by still addressing that segment severity so I do believe that there are potentially other solutions that could be recommended here that meet the goals that the county is trying to address at this project where Shaka in the region would see benefits by improving safety along this Corridor can I ask now go ahead Mr Jordan anything else do you see that we could do um other than you taking back our feedback and letting them know that we we disagree with this and we'd like them to revise it or go back to the drawing board anything else we can do to um thank you uh Council I I would I would believe potentially a workshop with County Commissioners could be beneficial to discuss some of our um questions and issues and ISS issues with the project and really try to have them understand where we're coming from from a local perspective with the project uh I've definitely shared my concerns with County staff to these same points that you've that you've presented tonight um and really what it comes is this is a staff recommendation at this point had there has been no board action at this time by the county um I do feel like getting feedback from our community members is important as well so ensuring that our residents do show up to the open house whether they show up to the open house or submit comments to County staff as well uh the more information and feedback we can give and justification for why we have these concerns and trying to go back to the drawing board um to maybe have a compromise while still addressing some of their needs Mr opportunity for some Frontage Road I don't know if there's space for that out there uh maybe in a couple spaces to get uh up to one of the other roundabout something like that I don't know well one of the one of the options is you know if you if you spaced these and I'm thinking regular roundabouts but but I I mean if you want to bypass I don't know how that plays into this that's your job as an engineer but a standard when I think of back-to-back standard roundabouts even if they were 14 and 82 that distance isn't long enough to have the kind of speeds between there there that would be an issue for uh Eagle Wood Eagle Wood okay it's it's just it's just not a long enough space for that kind of speed to happen so that's not that doesn't justify closing that off in my mind Marcia you come around that corner a little bit so maybe you and and you've got 42 right there correct where you come underneath the bridge and you take the that's over here yeah yep um but it applies to all of them you don't you're not going to put these people out that that far on something like this that's yeah no yeah and and mayor and Council there are potential other issues besides just changing some of the access control um on Marshal Lane if you continue North there potentially is the opportunity to construct a local roadway to connect to the neighborhoods which connect up to Jennifer Lane um which would access County Highway 78 if you continue North I don't have that part of the image here but there could be opportunities to connect some of the local roadways which would provide alternative outlets for the neighborhood too that could be considered as part of these improvements um the county does own a piece of property that this road ultimately could extend to and connect to it would require acquiring right away from private property owners to do that but there are alternate Solutions we could look at um outside of just even changing left turn lanes and access control on County Highway 17 so if we do get creative and work with a county we can recommend reasonable solutions that could at least be reviewed vetted out and potentially incorporated as part of of the project appreciate it anybody else okay anything else uh no but thank you mayor and Council for the feedback um I'm open to talk about this at any time too if you want to dive into looking at the layouts more and um I'm happy to uh have more conversations and if you want me to coordinate with the county too I'm happy to stand for anything thank you thank you number 12 Lason reports which side went first last time I think we're starting over here this time only thing I have is just this after or this morning I attended the ribbon cutting for the new Affinity Plus Credit Union that opened out in Southbridge today very good that's it yep ccor contr thank you mayor um so on November 21st I attended the we are water fashion show at the hok cultural uh Center that the medw Su I think it was the first one that they've done if I'm not mistaken and it was pretty cool some really nice um very pretty designs actually so I was very happy to go to that very good cool anything else Mr whiting on November 20th uh we had the mvta meeting uh we passed our uh Capital Debt Service uh budget and uh um cost of living adjustment for our employees and made some changes to uh some of our uh positions and things like that but uh other than that that's all I have Mr whing has been any discussion about I know there's a push for the I don't know what the rail line is called but comes down through to mano um would that hurt brt funding for the southern uh opt outs like ourselves I don't think that's been looked at I know what you're talking about the rail to uh uh M oh I'm not sure it was Mano I thought there one that goes down to man m okay that hasn't been talked about okay anything else Mr Delaney let's see I also ATT that the smc's fashion show was uh really actually pretty good interesting that's my first fashion went to was better than I expected though um hockey day volunteer sign up was yesterday I hope they have another one planned uh that was at the golf garage I believe that's uh that little that's the name of the place um so definitely sign up for that I know it's going to be in our our city in I believe January um so definitely want to volunteer make sure you get out and volunteer um had the spu meeting yesterday uh just a couple of highlights Ami they've installed 17,350 electrical meters they expect to be 100% installed February 25th uh water 8,281 and they should have 100% install May 25 May May 2025 Fe Fe February 2025 um as far as opt outside only one resident has actually opted outside and have that installation um put in I think they did put the Christmas tree lights up downtown uh it was announced in the meeting uh let's see um 169 Coalition winner meeting is Wednesday it is hosted and sponsored by the smsc um be Link Event Center oh excuse me we'll talk about updates on our priorities uh legislative updates we'll hear from those men. County smsc presentation will also be there and that's it very good did you say they put they opted out to put a meter on the outside water meter uh yes you can get the opt outside electric meter is already outside but you can actually run your water meter to connect outside to there's only been one resident how does it not freeze it's just a meter that they can read from oh communication piece yeah oh all right uh my report uh attended the internment working group of Prior Lake SHP Scott County and the mwan Andrew Craig was there with a check for the meakan for some solar initiative um I guess the probably the top two takeaways other than everybody talking about their various little projects that they got going on was uh County talk and trash was a hot one um the incinerator in Minneapolis you they want to shut that down not because it's polluting because apparently it's clean but politics political reasons apparently um but where does that capacity then go um you know a lot of talk about having outling counties Scott County including having dumps and stuff like this and um don't know how that's going to play out but uh that was one topic the other was the uh midd wetton's new uh or I callit um go figure you know waiting on the railroad for some railroad crossing improvements sometime in January I just had to ask if they designated a year to that January might be 2055 or something I did offer to go out with uh tribal chairman Miller in the middle of the night and put our own arms up but we probably won't be doing that now that it's out there and not right thing to do so um I did attend the infinity plus Financial Credit Union talked with the CEO and their financial Guru uh inverted curves and yields and great conversation actually I couldn't get the combination to the safe no and uh councelor Lara was there helping me trying to get the combination to the safe to he didn't get it either so we were unsuccessful it was a great it's great to have them in shaky um they're employee owned um and they've got uh 200 and some locations and they're just in Minnesota I think it was I could be wrong on that but anyway welcome to Shak we welcomed in welcome welcomed them to Shak it's good to see them out there in that area in uh nice building and I'm sure they're going to be very successful so if you want to make any Investments or take out loans or whatever you've got more options that's my report Mr Reynolds what do you got nothing for me sir all right City Bill list 12a no questions for me 13 other business Mr waiting uh a couple other business uh one is a reminder I want to remind folks ice is not safe uh need 4 Ines to walk on and a question about are we flooding our ice Rings yes okay just check I haven't been out there yet uh I think that although we're attempting the weather this weekend is probably going to affect our ability to actually accomplish that yeah correct and then I did want to mention the Holiday Fest did you mention that uh I was going to do this weekend and then uh Saturday uh 11: to 7 2 to six to we were right the tree lighting fireworks lot of fun all right 5:30 at 6 uh as far as other business I think this Council should discuss after staff looks into it uh the vehicles on the roads uh whether it's pocket bikes on the sidewalks ebikes on the trails supposed to be non-motorized I don't I don't know that that one fits I know we have a golf cart policy ATVs are on the roads uh I would rather have a discussion about some of these electric bikes and eat bikes and pocket bikes before somebody gets killed um I don't want that to drive a discussion well we can have that conversation we certainly can there's a lot of state laws that we have to follow and unfortunately some of them state laws are you know right on the edge I'd like to know them I don't know what uh we 49 49cc electric uh can do this that and the other thing this age I mean they've really opened it up um and you know if you got a 40 above 49cc then it's supposed to be licens lights and all these other things and it's really hard sometimes to tell what the actual cc is of an electric powered unit when it's got to be converted and and I mean it all comes down to enforcement I you know I in my neighborhood there there are non-motorized vehicles or motorized vehicles that aren't licensed that you know but you know I could call in and say come here mhm and by the time you do that they're gone they're gone I mean it's all about enforcement sure but if we have a policy to enforce would be one start I guess well but then you're back to okay what's your Staffing model what's the priorities sure what's the priorities yeah you know I just still want like like I mentioned uh I don't want to have an issue Drive our conversation on it well we've got people driving cars that say stop signs traffic lights and everything else is just a recommended inconvenience we can we can certainly bring it up for a topic discussion Chief Tate and I have talked about this on multiple occasions in the last year uh you know you don't have to be a motorized bike to be going fast on a regular pedal bicycle and have a collision and get hurt true and and it's like well how do you draw the lines how do you give your people first of all you know you're going to then have them policing the trails for bicycles you know that's so obviously that's isue and actually this started a while back because I asked staff uh in the police department to put the rules out there online and they did yeah and and and the goal was to try to educate people on what the rules are now whether they follow them or not is a whole another ball game but it is is a concern in all the neighborhoods how do you you can't snap a picture or a video of a something that doesn't have a license plate and not required to have one some of the stuff you see it really makes you concerned and think you know we better talk about that anyway that's all I had all right anything else item 14 councilor contr yep I'll make Mo a motion to adjourn to December 17th 2024 7 p.m second I'll second it second by Mr Whiting sure discussion on a motion discussion all in favor say I I opposed we are adjourn