[Music] Are we ready on the left? >> Ready on this side. >> Call a Shaki city council meeting for September 16th, 2025 to order. If you could please take the role. >> Council member Delaney >> here. >> Council member Whiting >> here. >> Council member Contrarus >> here. >> Council member Laura >> here. >> Mayor Layman >> here. Item number three, if you join us in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Item number four, approval of the agenda. Is there any changes to the agenda? >> Nothing from staff, sir. >> Changes from councel. >> Councelor Lara, >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> I'll second that. >> Seconded by councelor Contrarus. Any discussion on the motion? Discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all in favor say I. >> I >> I opposed. Agenda is approved. Item number five is our con consent agenda. Is there any changes to the consent from staff? >> No, sir. >> Changes from councel. Wishes. Mr. Whiting. >> Make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> Is there a second to that motion? >> Second. >> Mr. Delaney. Before we uh move on, we'll have Mr. Reynolds, read the consent agenda, please. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. These are the consent agenda items for Tuesday, September 16th of 2025. 5A amends and adopts some financial policies. 5B approves the wetland replacement plan for the Elenia Eleana estates development improvements. 5C is a monthly financial report for August. 5D is the fall certification of delin delinquent sewer and storm drainage accounts. 5e declares amounts, orders the preparation of proposed assessments, and sets a public hearing date for delinquent false alarm and mowing services bills. 5F is a dog bag dispenser request donation for Savannah Oaks HOA and Southbridge. 5G approves parking restrictions on Zumbro Avenue south of County Road 78. 5H is resolution supporting Minnesota suburban transit providers. 5 declares amounts, orders the preparation of proposed assessments, sets a public hearing date for delinquent refuge spills. 5J is a declaration of surplus audiovisisual equipment. 5K is a roadway deicing cooperative purchasing adventure. 5L accepts Minnesota Department of Public Safety's grants toward zero deaths enforcement program grant award. 5M is an acceptance of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety's DWI traffic safety officer program grant award. 5N is approval of the September 2nd, 2025 city council minutes. 5O approves a budget amendment for the CSH 101 and Shannondoa Drive intersection improvements. 5P is a sanitary sewer manhole repair. 5Q is a change order for playground at Jackson Commons with Compan installation. and 5R declares vehicles as surplus from General Lane and approves their disposal. >> Thank you, Mr. Reynolds. We do have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion passes. Item number six would be public comment. If you're here in the audience on an item that is not on our agenda, now would be the time to come up to the table. Uh give us your name and address and we'd love to hear from you. So, if you're here for an item not on the agenda, Scott County prosecutor, Mr. Hosvar, welcome. Nice to see you. >> Mayor, councel again. Ron Hosar, Scott County Attorney. Um, I saw people's kind of eyes get wide when I walked in. I'm not here for any reason really other than to uh introduce myself. I know I think most of you I've uh met before, but if you recall I every so often I try to get to all the city's council and just for this purpose to reintroduce myself and field any questions that you have within the fivem minute time period. Now, um obviously most of the contact you have with my office is through uh the criminal prosecution, juvenile through adult uh ordinance violations through uh murder um through the Scott Joint Prosecution Association, which I think is still a gun model going forward. Um if you if you if the council ever wants a more formal presentation just about the Scott County Attorney's Office, Scott Joint Prosecution Association, I'm glad to do that anytime. Um, Scott County Trans Office. We're bustling. Uh, we got we're very busy, you know, with no publications anymore. Nobody really knows what's going on. I think right now we're prosecuting five homicides. Um, so we're we're busy. We got our hands full. Um, so again, just uh here to introduce myself, let me know, let us let you know that the office is there. any questions you have concerning anything that's going on in your city ordinance-wise or criminal prosecution wise. Um we're certainly glad to answer those questions and uh make sure you're getting uh the service that you need. Um Mr. Reynolds is in contact with us when need be and we're certainly uh willing to work together and uh do we have to to make sure everything's being taken care of. So, that's all that's all I'm here for is to let you know we're there, let you know who I am, and I'm certainly I can answer any questions you have right now if you have any. Otherwise, >> thank you for stopping in, Mr. Oar, Mr. Whiting. >> Yeah, I just want to follow up on the joint prosecution. Um, now this this goes back before my history and there are smarter people than than us here, the council that put that together. Mr. Reynolds, I think that's been quite a a a good uh thing for the city. if you want to comment a little on that. >> Yeah, it really has been. It's uh it's not just for us, but uh for all the cities in in in the uh in the county. In the old days, way before all of us, uh each city had different prosecutors and you know, they may look at different things, different uh crimes or ordinance violations a little differently. Now, with a centralized uh place that does all of the prosecutions and handling all of those issues, uh Mr. hosar's office can deliver that service for all of us and frankly when you look at it I grumble about the cost but that that's what I do that all the time but the the reality is it's much cheaper and we're getting a higher value than we ever possibly could do if all of the the individual cities were trying to do this on their own so uh I will always hold Mr. hosar to try to keep the cost down. But that being said, uh it's it's an exceptional value for uh for us as a city and for our residents as well. >> It's a consistent way to prosecute everyone in the county in in the same sphere of influence, I guess. So >> that's all I comment I have >> and a great value. >> If we want to keep the cost down, we have to not have any laws being broken. >> There is that. Yeah, >> the budget's always a concern even even with uh I've kind of got my ledger has kind of two sides, Scott joint and county and trying to keep the budget on both of those. Um as your commissioner, I can tell you we're always working on on the budget and um they get sick of hearing from me saying, "Well, this is public safety. I should not get cut at all." you know, but um that's kind of the the real life we're living in right now with all the budget stuff going on nationally, state, local, you know, it all it affects us all. But going back to Scott Joint, yeah, it is a good model. I think if you talk to law enforcement, we call it a one-stop shop. Uh they know they they have a question, they they know where to call. It's one office. Uh they got the prosecutors in there and they know who to contact. I go back to the days of remembering city attorney uh was her name Karen Marty. Is that name correct? That was that was quite a while ago. Sure. My gray is showing. Um the one thing I would be curious in is what you're seeing as trends in the county compared because we see shock piece trends. We get reports from our police uh chief of police and and staff and I'm I'm wondering if our trends are consistent with the rest of the county or if we're seeing different things than outlying areas that are much smaller um or is the trends just pretty much static across the county. >> It's pretty static. We're obviously not um getting to the homeless issues to the severity as you know Henipin County so so to speak. you saw probably in the papers or heard on the news what happened there last night >> in Henipin County with one of their homeless areas which is just tragic. Um so we're not I'm we're hoping to keep uh what's north of the river north of the river. You don't want that crime drifting down here. Um so um I consider myself an aggressive prosecutor. Um my staff, you know, follows my direction, so they're aggressive prosecutors and um so that's kind of my mindset. um is to be an aggressive prosecutor. But going back to your your question, it's pretty static across the board. Um hate to phrase it this way, but you know, your domestics and DUIs just never seem to really go up or down. There's just always always there. Uh we can count on it. Um every day we're going to have people in custody for domestics and DUI. I think at the day the day after Labor Day we had 14 in custodies throughout the county, not just Shakipi, but the majority of them were DUIs and domestics. >> So, back to your no shaky outliers on the data anyway. >> No, obviously with your population, you're the biggest city, so you do have more um and uh so but per capita, it's going to be even out. Pretty pretty even out. >> Static per capita. Okay. Mr. you mentioned uh DUIs. Um what about statistics on um like drug use? >> On what? >> Drug use like drug convictions. >> Um I couldn't quote a stat statistic for you right now. Um they're tougher to um test on the road and it's going to be even worse once marijuana really gets going. Um, in my opinion, fortunately for the state, they haven't been good about getting the licenses out. So, we haven't had to deal with it too much yet. But, but there's there still is no good roadside test for marijuana. And there's really no cut off. Like, you have a cut off for DUI is 0.08. What's the cut off for marijuana? We don't know. It's just going to be are you under the influence or not? Then we have to figure out how to prove that in court. Officer has to figure out how to prove that or not prove that, but determine that on the side of the road. Were they under the influence or were they just a bad driver? Um it's it's all going to be really a learning experience on once that really hits. Um I don't have a rosy outlook like some people do. >> So Mr. Lara, was your question specifically for drugs in general or the DUI side of the drug? >> Drugs in general. So like um like your um >> um like I think was heroin an issue in me for a while? Yeah. like the heart, you know, the heroin, methanol, >> drugs in general, they fentanyl is huge. Um, meth is still there. People think meth has gone away. It's not gone away. Um, still there. Heroin, not so much. I mean, it is we still we still see it, but it's fentanyl, uh, meth, uh, cocaine typically. >> Mhm. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> Well, thanks for the visit. >> Thank you, Mr. Spark for >> anytime you need something, give me give me a call. Mr. Reynolds knows where how to get told me quickly and I'm I'll come back anytime. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> This is a public comment period. If there's anybody in the audience that would like to address the city council on an item that is not on our agenda, now would be the time to do so, feel free to step up and we'd love to hear from you. Last call. All right. Item number seven would be m business removed from the consent agenda. There was nothing removed. We'll move to item number 8A which is a public hearing for the issuance of refunding bonds for Benedicting Living Community and Shockby LLC conduit debt. Mr. Whiting, >> I'll make a motion to open a public hearing. >> Is there a second to the motion? Councelor Contrarus. Discussion on the motion. Discussion seeing none. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. >> Motion passes. Public hearing is now open. >> Uh good evening, mayor and council members. Uh public hearing tonight is on the request from uh Benedicting Living Community of Shaki LLC uh for the issuance of refunding bonds to refund revenue bonds originally issued to finance the construction of Benedicting uh living community located at 1705 Windmir uh which consisted of 116 independent living apartments, 43 assisted living units, and 24 memory care units. Uh the borrower is requesting that the city issue revenue refunding bonds in a principal amount up to 65 million. Uh this will be conduit debt of the city. Uh meaning the city will have no uh financial obligation and there will be no financial impact to the city. Uh all costs associated with the refinancing which would include uh legal fees uh will be the responsibility of uh BHS. Uh the city will receive a fee as part of this transaction. Uh and then also with us is uh Julie Edington who's uh the attorney at C coupecre um who represents the city's bond council uh is also here and she can uh answer any questions you might have on this refunding issue and I'm not sure if you have any additional comments or anything else you'd like to add to >> come on up to the table please. >> You came all the way out here. >> Yeah. >> Good evening mayor, members of the council. Julie Edington. and I'm with Coutac Rock and I am the city's bond attorney. Um, and uh, Shakipi did a 2018 deal with Benedicting um, and then they wanted to refinance it. So, that's what we're doing at this time. Um, there have been others who are interested in also doing additional bond deals with you if you prefer to do that. Um and for today the um the refunding bonds um provides the city with a $50,000 um payment to do the refunding. Um if you do uh new conduit bonds, you would be able to um have a larger fee for that as well. Um and so, uh just to give you a basic understanding of what the um bonds are going to do, there is um we're getting going to get rid of the 2018 bonds and refinance those. And then um there there will be 116 independent living apartments, 43 assisted living units, and 24 memory care units. Um which is probably needed in the community because you're you're growing as you go. Um, and that's really all I had. There's a um a public hearing that was adopted. Um and um there is a resolution that will need to be adopted eventually if you so um wish to move forward with this. >> So let's let's ask questions of staff. You have a question Mr. Whiting? >> You had mentioned the Mr. This might be a question for Mr. Kurski, but isn't is this the next phase of the building in the same area that was prel pre preliminary discussed when we talked about bringing BHS out, >> mayor and council? No, this is the existing property. They're just refinancing the current debt on the property. >> Oh, so it was that was the original construction we're talking about. Okay, this one >> questions on this side. Okay. So, my questions and I I added the two up and it's roughly 554, the 524 and the three. So, it's 55 million um and over 7 years and and so we're we're basically refinancing at 65, right? So, I guess the question I'm I have is over seven years, how much of the original debt was actually paid down? >> That I do not have an answer to. Um, it's been um seven years and they've been paying that bond ever since. Um, so seven years have been paid off basically. [Music] So if they if they started out seven years ago with 55 million and they're now they want to refund it to 65, we don't know what the net gain is for them. >> The 65,000 is a maximum >> 65 million. >> Correct. That's a maximum. So if there is um it likely won't be 65,000. It will probably be less >> million. >> Yes, correct. >> Do you know if any of these funds from this transaction would be put into a capital account or is it allowed to be put into a capital account for future improvements to the property? They would do that those um revisions as part of the bond deal. >> And do you know if any of that is part maybe staff knows that answer? >> I I do not but I'm not aware that of that. I think it's strictly to refinance what they have outstanding and then the additional amount would cover financing costs as well. >> All right. And do we know what the difference is between interest rates between when they took out these original uh bonds and to what the refinancing would be? >> We don't know what the the um what the deal will be yet. >> Um we are in the process of doing a preliminary official statement um so that underwriters can come and read those documents and see what they're willing to pay. and what their t what their um interest rate would be. >> Right. Well, the reason I ask is because most people don't refinance if it's going to cost them more in interest. Right. >> Right. >> And I'm not hearing that we know the answer to that. Is it safe to assume it's going to be less? >> I would I would assume that it would be less than 65,000 >> million. Um, generally speaking, underwriters want to have a little extra wiggle room and that usually comes down before the bonds are finalized and um, paid for. >> You keep saying 65,000. If that's the case, they did a stellar job on buying down their debt. >> I'm sorry. 65 million. >> Very good. Any anybody else? >> Just Mr. White >> one comment. We don't know we're benedicting living communities where they are financially where they're where they need to shuffle money. So this is something that doesn't affect the bottom line of the city. >> Yep. And that was going to be the last comment question I was going to ask. >> Okay. Yeah. For the community. Yeah. >> My understanding is a conduit debt is there's zero liability to the shockby tax base. So >> that is correct. They're basically using our creditworthiness for rates and if they get in trouble on their own or whatever, it does not come back to the taxpayers of Shak. >> That is correct. >> And they got a good business going on. >> Absolutely. No, no question there. >> All right. This is a public hearing. If there's anybody that would like to come forward and speak on this matter, please step up to the table and microphone. We'd love to hear your comments. >> Thank you, Julie. >> Yes. We'll see if we have any other further questions from the audience for you. Uh second call if there's anybody who'd like to speak on this matter. Seeing none, Mr. Lara, >> I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. >> There a second. >> Second. >> Mr. Delaney, is there discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor say I. I. >> Opposed? Motion passes. What's the wishes of council? >> Mr. Delaney. >> I'd like to make a motion to adopt resolution R2025s [Music] bonds of the city of Shakabe for the benefit of Benedicting Living Community of Shakabe LLC and authorizingution and delivery of documents in connection therewith. >> I'll second. >> Motion by Mr. Delaney, seconded by Mrs. Contrarus. Discussion on the motion. Discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion passes. >> Thank you. >> Item 9A, 2026, proposed property tax levy and debt levy cancellations. Mr. Reinhardt. Uh good evening again, mayor and council members. Um so tonight we're asking for city council adoption of the 2026 uh preliminary levy and budget. Uh the slides that um were provided on August 19th are still part of this presentation. So I've included all those slides. Um but I've updated them since um for any changes since that August 19th meeting. Um I will not go through every slide. I'll just um I'll I'll touch base on on on a few of those and and a few changes. Um and I should start probably mentioning that we have reduced the preliminary levy uh since that meeting. Uh it was 6.22% 22% and now up we're proposing 5.5%. Uh if approved, this would set the maximum levy the city would be allowed to levy um for 2026. Uh so from this point forward after it's adopted, uh we can only decrease the levy and not increase it. Uh from a staff perspective, we're really happy with uh how this budget came came together and what it accomplishes. Uh we've seen a 5% growth in taxable market value. um 58% of that coming from new construction uh which has limited the impact on existing property owners. Uh based on uh county assessment numbers for 2026, our tax rate will see very little change uh from what it is today and and today we're one of the lowest tax communities in the metro. Uh with ours being the fourth lowest out of the out of 32 cities with a population between uh 25,000 and 100,000. Uh the budget also includes a $300,000 increase for the capital improvement levy uh which is a significant investment in maintaining uh the condition of our existing streets. Um so as mentioned uh 32 cities in the metro um with a population between 25,000 and 100,000. Uh these are based on met council estimates and then the chart is based on uh the 2024 city property tax calculator that the League of Minnesota Cities provides on their website uh which is the most recent year available. Uh I took uh this information from a survey from a from another city um on proposed levy uh of metro cities. Uh so nothing really scientific here. Um but wanted to provide a ballpark estimate of what other metro cities are doing for levy increases. Uh so it does seem like 7 to 8% seems to be the normal range with a few uh double-digit increases in there. Uh we will be on the low end uh when it comes to levy increases proposed for for next year. Uh the preliminary city levy being proposed is 28,214,480. Um $430. Uh probably should have rounded it. It would have been much easier, right? Um uh in total we are at 1.47 uh million increase or a levy increase of 5.5%. Uh this includes about uh 1.2 million in general fund operations. Uh and then again the the mentioned 300,000 uh increase for the capital improvement levy. Uh council set aside about 350,000 of uh positive general fund balance to use towards debt service rather than levy for next year. Uh so there's no change in the debt service levy. And then we also preliminary included a $50,000 increase in the EDA levy uh which was approved at the last EDA meeting. Um here's the summary of changes uh impacting the 2026 preliminary levy. Uh again, in comparison to the 2025 budget, uh we were able to offset about 2.1 million of uh expense increases through additional revenues and transfers. So that helped um keep that levy percentage low. Um this slide is also updated from the last work session. Um so health insurance, um I think at the time of that presentation, we didn't know what the increase would be. Uh that's coming in at 8.3%. We had originally had that at 15%. Uh so that was about $150,000 um less in costs. Uh personal costs do represent about 70% of general fund cost. So is is the primary factor um driving our budget for next year. Um making sure sorry here are the operating adjustments. Uh this one also has been updated um now that we have budget line items entered. Uh if you recall um when we met last we had uh a placeholder amount uh that has been removed. Uh one of the the larger changes here was the engineering contracted uh construction inspec inspections which is a pass through. Uh city collects engineering fees to uh pay for those construction inspection costs. Uh we did also increase the revenue side for that. Uh and then an uh contingency uh we've um increased that um to 110 well we've added 110,000 uh which uh includes um potential impacts of unknowns. Uh primary one on that one would be uh union negotiations with the fire department that are um expected to happen towards the end of the year. the one-time adjustments. Um, we also adjusted this from the previous meeting. Uh, we removed the building inspector vehicle, uh, the public works, building security cameras, and the parks irrigation controls. So, 93,000 in reductions, uh, from what was presented in August. Uh, council did approve a budget amendment to purchase those items this year as opposed to levying for them next year. And this slides uh also was updated for 2026. Um so our tax capacity is adjusted for fiscal disparities um which again is unique to uh the Twin Cities metro area. Uh 40% of our commercial and industrial growth uh since 1971 gets contributed into fiscal disparities pool. Uh and then in turn we receive a base uh distri distribution based on population and market value of all property per person uh compared to the average market value of that of um per person in that in the metro area. Uh we are one of the large larger net contributors to the program. Um previous data showed we were seventh out of 179 communities. Um and of course we don't know what that'll be based on this year's data. Uh but this chart uh shows that fiscal disparities uh net contribution in terms of tax capacity uh based on the growing commercial and industrial base it's gone from 2.2 million in 2017 to 11.8 million in 2016. Um I put the percentage of tax capacity to kind of provide a idea of how large that is. Uh it's uh 10.2% of our tax capacity that we're contributing to the fiscal disparities program. Um, and it's also more interesting to see how much has increased over the last two years about 5.6 million or 77 77%. Uh, so a lot of our even though we've seen a lot of lot of growth, a lot of it's um also being lost to fiscal disparities. >> Oh, go ahead. >> I guess for our audience, this is something that we repay that we don't really get any return from. >> We would be a net contributor to the program. Yeah. >> And it's >> Mr. waiting >> the commercial industrial growth over the past same period of time has not kept up with that uh that percentage correct from 2017 the 4.2% 2% to to now at 10. We haven't had that much increase in commercial industrial. >> Um we've had had a significant increase. So that's probably the driving factor of that is the because we've increased both new and existing values. >> So okay, existing. Yeah. >> Yeah. They take all commercial industrial valuation >> and assess it every year based on the current market conditions and then new uh additional um development >> and valuation. combines the two that together to come up with a valuation and then they take that valuation as a proportion of our tax capacity and there's deeper questions here. Um we'll get no answers but >> it would be curious to know where exactly our contribution goes. Is there any way for us to find that information? Yeah. So the it's published. So it's published to which cities are the recipients and which ones are the contributors, right? >> So you would be able to >> that something you could share with us or or >> Yeah. So the data um I probably have um they don't have 2026 data yet, but I'll have 2025 that they have published. I can provide that to you. >> If you could email that out to us, that'd be great. >> Yeah. And I know we've talked about this in the past, but we're um there's obviously more I shouldn't say obviously, but there's more recipients. there's more benefactors than there are people that are contributing. >> Well, I'd like to pick on some of those that are in >> close proximity, >> questionable questionable uh financial condition requiring the assistance. >> Did I word that politely? >> Yes, you did. >> Yeah, it's it's a good way to describe it because it's based on commercial and industrial. So, and it's based on market value per capita. So, you have these areas that may have higher residential values, but that's not factored into this equation. So, >> um, which >> well, it was their look at that. >> It was their elected bodies over the decades that made >> decisions to not support commercial industrial growth, >> chose to be bedroom communities. >> And, you know, that's that's their decisions. And if them decisions cost them a loss of that revenue from commercial industrial, that's their decision, not ours. We should not be punished for their decisions. There's other communities that very much rely on this though to survive. >> Absolutely. There's some outstate and I get that. Uh you certainly ain't going to build 30 miles of road out in the middle of nowhere and expect a town of 700 to pay for it, >> right? >> The fiscal disparities that we're contributing to is just metro would just be the metro one. >> Seven, but there are other programs that are >> Seven County is the fiscal disparities. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> No cap on this either. So, it's going to continue to go up and up as we grow our indust. This is just going to >> bubble up. >> Um, I'm just going to make one other comment I was going to make when uh council member Wedding was asking this question. So, we actually do have a pretty good healthy mix between industrial and commercial apartment um residential. Um, so I I mean we compared to other cities, we have a very healthy mix when it comes to commercial and industrial. Even within those sectors, we've got different values and different types. So, um we're about as diverse market value as you as as you can be as a as a city, which um which I think is excellent and healthy for our city. >> Can you go back one slide, please? >> One more. No, you've got the railroad increasing by $60,000 when we're putting hundreds of thousand dollars into infrastructure of the railroad crossing that they own. How does that that doesn't doesn't seem to jive here on this chart or will that be next year >> charge the value of the infrastructure? >> I mean I I so it's numbers coming from the county, right? So I could ask the county assessors if there's specific questions on how they determine those valuations and I think some of the public util and the railroad that's also being partially driven by the state assessment as well. >> Mr. Whiting, >> you know, this this uh agriculture section for payable 2025 and payable 2026 uh went up quite a bit uh like 12 million. Now is that through annexation or is that through the value of their properties just going up that much? >> Yeah, I'd say it's probably a little misleading. So a agriculture will a lot of times um their value will change depending on whether it's being developed or not. So they may still be in egg territory but their values being reflective of what the future use is about to be. >> So you'll see egg a lot of times same with the number of parcels jump up and down from year to year. Um so here's the comparison of the city's uh tax rate over the past 10 years um including um the 2026 estimate. So the again the 2026 estimate would be based on the preliminary budget and levy as well as preliminary assessment data. Um but as it stands today um slight increase in the city's tax rate to 28.57 uh for the medium value home. Um, this slide shows the the property taxes paid since 2021. Um, the value of the median value home has increased from 350,700 to 361,300 over the past year. Uh, that's an increase of 10,600 or 3%. Um, for the medium value home, um, based on the tax rate from the previous slide, um, this would be a increase in property taxes of 60 bucks or 6.4%. Uh, absent any change in value. So, if you took the same medium value home and didn't adjust it for its value change over the past year, um they could expect a tax increase of $27 or about 2.9%. >> Councelor Lara, >> um Mr. Reinhardt, I have a question. So, I've I've always been wondering what when this slide comes up, what where are you getting these numbers? What drive what numbers do you pull to get the median home value of our area? The reason why I ask is um every time I drive around and I see the new developments and they're always starting in like the the low 500s and then the ones that are end up being built are in the sevens and eights and higher. Is it our town homes that drive this lower the average lower or what? >> Um it's a good question. So the the numbers coming from the county county assessor's office. So it's is the you know median value. So it's not the average it's the median value home. So, it's the the value of the home that's in the exact middle. If you lined up home values from low point to high point, right? Um, so that obviously would be impacted by new residential that's higher value than this. That's going to shift that median value home based on those new values. Um, and so I that would be the best way I can answer that. I don't know if I necessarily answered your question, but >> thank you. >> Yeah. and and um I know at least with the past few presentations that we've had, we've also seen increases in in existing market values too. So um so even if we've added stuff on the higher end, we've also seen increases in lower median end as well. >> And then you also have the older homes that as they get older and older and older, they're less apt to increase in valuation because they're coming to the end of their life cycle. Good question. >> Continue, sir. >> Sure. Um, so this is the comparison of cost of uh services of a 300,000 home. Um, so this would be for city the two city utilities that we have which is uh sewer and storm water as well as property taxes. uh city of Shak Shakipi um is at the lowest among our peer comparison cities um at 1,094 uh will continue to be the lowest even with the proposed 2026 amounts there. Um in comparison other cities range from uh 1343 to uh $283. Uh city council will need to adopt the preliminary levy in September. Um at that point we'll be unable to increase the levy as as mentioned at the start of the presentation. Uh proposed property tax notices would be mailed by the county in November. Um and then we'll ask for final council approval in December. And then tonight I'm just asking for approval of three resolutions. Um three separate resolutions. Uh the first one 100 cancels a portion of debt service levies and allows the city to utilize existing balance to fund those 2026 payments. Uh 101 will set the city's maximum levy for 2026. And then 102 approves the preliminary uh EDA levy for 2026. Uh with that I can stand for any further questions you have. >> Questions of staff. >> Questions of staff. >> Wishes of council. Mr. Whiting. >> I'll take the short one. >> Don't we have to close? >> No, there's no you got to put Sorry. >> Okay. All good. I'll make a motion to adopt a resolution R 2025 TAC 10000 cancelling debt services service levies for tax taxes payable in 2026. Is there a second to the motion? Second by councelor Contrarus. Discussion on the motion discussion. Seeing none, all in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed? Motion passes. >> I'll take the second. >> Councelor Contrarus. Um, adopt resolution R2025-101 setting proposed maximum of 2025 property tax levy collectible in 2026. >> Is there a second to the motion? >> Second. >> Also Delaney seconds the motion. Discussion on the motion. Discussion. Um, my question would be so we know what the maximum can be. Is it safe to assume that between now and final adoption, staff will continue to work on looking for cost efficiencies and uh any savings that might be found between now and then? >> We will, but I think it's important for council and understand that uh we pretty much squeeze this turn up. >> Okay. Anything else, Mr. Delaney? >> So, this this is basically the cap again that we're the upper limit. >> Upper limit. Okay. >> And any other discussion? >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion passes. >> Wishes of councel. >> That's a long one. >> The long the long one here. Um, make a motion to pass resolution R2025-102 approving the preliminary levy of a special benefit levy pursuant to Minnesota statute section 469.033 subdivision 6 by the economic development authority for the city of Minnesota. >> Is there a second to the motion? >> I'll second. >> Seconded by Mr. Lara. Any discussion on the motion? >> Mr. Mr. Delaney. So this one is not this is basically the levy we're >> the 550,000 levy for EDA >> the um preliminary >> so preliminary this is max >> preliminary max yes >> the EDA adopted it at their EDA meeting and it was now to council to adopt and I believe once council adopts it then it's >> it's fixed in stone >> it's the permanent levy for the EDA is that a correct Um, uh, Mayor Mayor Layman. Um, not exactly. So, we actually adjusted the resolution to allow for a preliminary levy, um, which would allow you to adjust between now and December. So, at the city council level, if you determine you'd want to reduce that anytime between now and when the final levy is adopted, you can. >> So, the city council, would it then go back to the EDA EDA? >> Um, I >> legal question. It it would not have to be. It would it could be modified by the city council. >> Yes, Mr. May. I agree with that. The wording of the resolution has changed, but so so this just creates the max for you. If you want to change it later on, I don't believe you have to go back to the EDA. That's now back before the council because you're adopting it now as the preliminary levy. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And and last year we adopted the final levy at this point in time just because there was no changes in the levy from the previous year with that $50,000 increase. And based on the EDA's discussion, I thought it was only appropriate to adopt a preliminary maximum levy right now. >> Okay. >> Mr. Mr. Delaney, >> just again one more question for clarification. So there were I think there were two things still kind of outstanding, the $50,000 that's being added plus I think it was a question on the adding electric charger out at the um Corey Lake. So that's still open for negotiation. That's our discussion or is that just again fixed in stone? Well, we can lower it if the majority of the body wants to do that. >> Okay. >> Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Is that something you want to bring back on a workshop again? >> Yeah, I still have those answers, those questions unanswered. At least those two. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> Who made that motion? >> I made the motion. >> Mr. and Lara. I like to write that down. All right. Any more discussion on the motion? >> Just really quick, just if like Mr. Delaney does have those uh two concerns, if we could just answer them so when it does come time to um approve it. I mean, he does have his answers. I think that would be at least um fair, you know, for him to I think he does, right, Mr. >> To that point, can we schedule a workshop at one of our next meetings to discuss? >> Would that be at the EDA meeting or the council level? That's that's a legal question. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I I don't know the answer to that. >> I mean, it would be a council workshop. Um it would be our second uh look at it. So, you want to go back in and >> sounds like that's what >> Yes. >> We'll have to do that the next meeting. Then >> we'll have Is there consensus majority of this body to do that? >> I'm good with that. I mean, >> yeah, I'm Yeah, fine. I if I I just feel if there's questions, I feel that we should Okay. >> Sure. >> Well, there's there's four that are willing to take another look at it. So, we'll do that. Mr. Reynolds. >> All right. Any other discussion on the motion before us? >> Satisfied. Thank you. >> Any other questions? Seeing none, all in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. Motion passes. Item 9B, policy on modification and enhancing enhancement to city property of non city organizations and groups. Who is leading this one? Mr. Reynolds. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. Uh, as you know, we're going through uh a process both in public works and uh our park and recck department for accredit accreditation. And you know we we told you that we are going to have multiple things come before you. Some of that we had on the consent agenda. Our updated policies on uh uh finances were partly driven by that. Uh but the whole point the whole point of the accreditation process is is to look at our our the way we do business, try to follow best practices and try to have something in place so everybody understands what the processes are and that way we can treat everybody fairly and there's no surprises at the end of the day. This is something we probably should have done a long time ago. Uh I think uh that's one of the benefits of the accreditation processes. It forces us to do things we probably should have done a long time ago. Uh this particular piece is is talking about when we have organizations that want to donate um property uh or or funds to do changes to city property. And 99% of the time it's all great. It works out. There's no issues. Uh and it's great. It's it's it's part of our partnership. And this this primarily affects park and wrecks, but not not totally. Uh and so we'll have organizations that come in and they want to make some changes to a baseball field or a softball field. We see this you know consistently. Uh and then you know in the past sometimes we'll have it on a back of a napkin and uh you know there's some misunderstandings as we're trying to get everything worked out there there there's some uh pressure to get things done now now now and then we find later on as leadership of the organizations change the priorities change and then we have stuff that was built two years ago that may not be uh what they're looking for now. So, uh, what we wanted to do is to outline clearly for everybody what we will be looking at when we see those donations. And, you know, I I don't think that this will be a stop on any donations at all. I think it just outlines the process and and what the considerations are for all involved. So, most importantly, you know, we want to um take a look and and make sure that all proposals are fully planned, budgeted, and have an estimated timeline and maintenance plan. That way, when city council looks at it, they know exactly what the full impact of it is going to be on our future our future uh budgets. Uh proposals must be in time time to be included in our capital pro capital planning process. As you know, we have a capital plan that's in place and and we very much need these projects not to just be working outside of that capital plan, but incorporated in that capital plan so it can all be uh addressed uh as part of the planning process and with a subsequent uh planning process timeline. Once submitted, proposals will be reviewed by the necessary staff and also possibly be offered for public comment. We found that sometimes we have different groups using the similar property and if we have one group wanting to do something and when we go forward with that and then another group comes in and says well wait a minute you know we use this too and that wasn't what we were looking for. So we just want to make sure that everybody or even neighbors in the area have an opportunity to understand what's happening uh and then can make a comment if necessary. Uh and and then all of that information comes to you in a workshop as we normally do and you make your considerations on on what you would like to do. Uh if approved, if approved, the projects will include aou of outlining future responsibility for the improvement. Once again, uh we don't want to have to maintain uh something that may only be used for a certain group. And if they want to donate it, that's great, but we don't want to have to replace it and we don't want to have to maintain it. And then all projects will have to comply with the normal city requirements throughout the construction process. So all permitting and all things that we require all projects and uh and courts to do. Uh the only other piece of this I think that that is important to note is that uh the city of Shockby ordinance has had a long-term ban on ad outdoor advertising on city property. And uh there's always been a pressure since I've been here to have outdoor advertising be incorporated into uh our local sports fields and we just don't do that and we've never done that and it's been part of ordinance for I 20 30 years probably. Uh and then internally we do allow advertising on the boards for the hockey rink but that is for the city to offset expenses for the maintain the maintenance of the rink itself. So uh the rink was a very large uh financial commitment by the city and so we do look at indoor advertising and as an opportunity to try to offset as best we can. So, with that being said, I'll uh be willing to take any questions you have and uh if not, I would ask you to approve this particular policy uh if you have no other issues. >> Thank you, Mr. Reynolds. Questions of staff? >> I have a question, >> Mr. Lara. >> Just on the advertising part of it. So, I'm I'm reading it and the way I understand it. So, um let's say there's a a tournament or there's something going on and um is this talking about permanent and temporaries like if they wanted to put up a uh a couple stakes with a banner on it just for that period of uh the tournament and then it take it comes down. Are they they're not allowed to do that either? We have on occasion allowed um temporary banners to be in place but uh only for a very limited period of time. >> Sure. For like so let's say um it's a Friday through Sunday tournament. There's the post go up with a bannon that says this tournament sponsored by XYZ business but then it's taken down that Sunday. Did is that allowed or um does that fall under this? >> Uh that's a good question. Uh ultimately we have been a little more flexible in those situations because it is a small uh window of time but uh ultimately it's determined how you want to make it work and uh my recommendation would be not to allow it but that's you know that's me and not someone that has to answer phone calls from sports groups. I was just curious because um you know I I can see when it's permanent like you when they put up a a scoreboard out on 17th Sports Complex and then it's you know all of a sudden they're selling advertising space on that. I you know that I get that it's more permanent structure and um hard to change out but >> we we we typically don't allow the short-term sponsorship. We allow the short-term advertising the event. Sure. >> And I think there's a difference there. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, >> Mr. Dwight. >> I'm specifically thinking of some of our service organizations that have a tournament or something in town and they've also had a lot of the business in businesses provide money and sponsorship. So, they'll put up a sign that says, you know, this hole sponsored by this company or something like that for that event. Um, and also, uh, currently we have a service organization that's, uh, put up a major installation, and I don't know if this is what's driving this, uh, discussion here, but they have major donors that they're going to be incorporating into the, uh, the Miracle Field. And so that was uh if I'm not >> and there and there will be a small signage much like we have at the uh uh a fund forall playground uh that will >> so sponsors and donors to a specific thing would not fall under advertising. It would fall under sponsorships. >> It would be a donation to the city >> board of some sort. >> Okay. and they're advertising in some cases, you know, for a major sponsorship. It's a sponsorship, but they're they get a big logo or whatever they do for in this case, the Miracle Field. Uh, but the other event would be uh, you know, like a short event like you're council member Lara is discussing. So, I would have a problem with not allowing our service organizations to promote their sponsors. >> Well, it currently isn't allowed, but this is for you to determine what you want, >> right? Let me >> and we could open up all advertising uh >> well temporary service organization events. >> Let me uh throw a curveball in here for you just to make it fun. >> So when I read the advertising portion, here's what crossed my mind. So, if you're a service organization, you come to the city, let's say you want to do uh, you know, Derby Days, River Valley celebration, you get a permit, you pay for the fees for the park usage, you you've got all these obligations, you got to hire so many cops, you got to do all these other things, logistics. Um, and they advertise, you know, what band might be playing or, you know, >> not a problem. what beers and is that because it's by permit? >> No, that's because it's not I mean if you're advertising what band is pres presenting that's not you're not making money off the advertisement. >> Okay. >> You're simply not giving notice to what's happening. >> Okay. So it's it's the making money portion. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And again, I want to stress this is something that council determined a long time ago under ordinance. Times change and if council wants, you know, to uh rethink that, we can certainly bring that forward. >> Well, and and then I started thinking further. I hate to clutter the waters here, but if you were a business >> and you wanted to put up a banner on a field 400t out from home base um in an effort to make money, would would that be as visual visible to the general public as Espace? >> Yes, it would be. You know, I don't know if if some of these organizations should be putting this out on eBlast for that crowd because they're not going to get the senior crowd that doesn't use computers, but they're going to get the younger crowd that might be more active. I don't know the answer to these questions. These are things I'm thinking about how to help them actually achieve what they want to achieve without doing things that past councils didn't want done. And the last thing I thought about was the the replacement cost on bigger items that are donated. Um you this talks about ongoing maintenance, but really the capital capital plan, it's that replacement that's the big hit. >> Yep. >> And how do we plan for that in these donations that are larger in size? Well, that's that's exactly what we're putting in place here is to sit down and saying we need to have that discussion and we need a memorandum of understanding and then they present that to council or the staff will present it to council as part of the workshop and you or may you may or may not agree with that and and but but at least we've got something in writing and then you can say no this doesn't work for us or yes this does and then you can say you know let's say uh There's there's something that cost $100 or $100,000, >> right? >> And and we figure it's probably has a 20 uh year lifespan and it's probably going to cost $200,000 later. Part of theou we come up with is that the uh organization agrees to take care of the maintenance and and agrees to uh uh one half of the replacement cost. Now that's an option still in operation and if not then >> Yeah. But then the council has to say, "Okay, well that means that we're accepting a 100,000 of that." But you know it going into it. >> Right. >> Right. >> And and you can say, "No, we want the whole or you can say yes." But but the whole point is is that everybody knows what you're agreeing to at that point. >> And clear. >> Anybody else before I get to my last one? >> No. That made sense. >> So the last one I had was how do we help these I mean we've got some great organizations in >> Yeah, we really do. Great partners. um whether it's the soccer, the baseball, I mean, we've got a ton of them that just do a great job. How do we help them be successful? They they do a lot of the ground game for us. Um you know, they want to raise money for this, that, and the other thing to to go back into their their sport or >> organization. How do we help them do that? It might be the advertising, you know, if if they do have, you know, if they're if they have it, like I mentioned the the miracle field that's going to need to be replaced in however many years. And so this understanding me memorandum of understanding, the city understands is going to be putting in a portion of it and the service organizations that are sponsoring it will have to come up too. Well, I know there's, you know, we've all got the calls probably from the baseball association wanting to be able to put banners on the fences at Sleeper Sleer Fields and it's not allowed. And so, how do we help these organizations make money? I I I know we allow concessions. They get the majority of the >> Yep. We we do concessions and we we allow, you know, them to conduct uh fundraising events. uh you know, it's just that and it's it's don't forget we subsidize all of this, >> right? >> We subsidize the playing fields, we subsidize the ice arena, we subsidize uh the swimming pools. Uh so we're putting a lot into it already. Um can we put more? Sure. Ultimately, that's a decision for council. you know, we could uh put a light item in our budget for uh support for uh uh youth operations. >> Well, >> I don't think that's what you want to do. >> No, I'm trying. >> But we certainly can. >> I'm trying to find out how we can help our own community and our own organizations be successful without subsidizing it. And and here's a perfect example. Raar, great company. They do a lot of donating to a lot of different service organizations and sports uh organizations. If they were to put a sign on their building saying we contributed to XYZ, nobody's going to see it because they're not a consumer-based company where people walk in and out the door. You'd be better off having a sign on a front window of Holiday Gas Station or something. just picked that out of the air where people would be able to see that, oh gee, you know, they've donated to this cause. How wonderful. Um, so I, you know, I just want everybody to start thinking about some of these things. >> That's not why those groups are doing that. I think those donations for the advertising component, but maybe >> well they sell they they want to sell a banner on a fencer or whatever and for a company and in exchange they get a lump sum from the company to go to their cause. That's usually how it works. You know, we we were talking about the uh if you don't mind um some of those events that the service organizations put on and they'll put their sponsorship signs up. You know, maybe it's uh we allow that sponsorship signs at an annual event so that they can sell those sponsorships. They have their little event, maybe it's a tournament or whatever it might be. Uh and they're allowed to do that because uh that's where they're making their money to pay for their event. I know one in particular >> that wouldn't be allowed in this unless we make some kind of a change. >> That's right. That's why I'd like to see that kind of carve out for uh uh service organizations that are doing a fundraising event that we allow them to advertise their sponsors. >> I I'm not comfortable uh approving it otherwise. >> If we open it up for service organizations, then I'm going to have charities that want it. Um, we're gonna have other uh youth associations that want it. Y >> So, >> but you were just talking about how we could give back, >> right? Well, I'm I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm trying to be specific on things that are beneficial to the community. You know, service organizations are one, but we are we already do something special for many of our service organizations. We give them free meeting space in certain locations in the city, >> right? Um, I'm talking more specifically, you know, maybe it's the soccer association or the baseball association or the basketball, all these different great organizations that we have. Some are through the school and you know this maybe this is a discussion joint discussion with the school district, some of it's theirs. Um, I don't have any of the answers. I just have the concern, you know, and I I certainly don't have the answer, but I I certainly want to make sure that we're helping them be successful without the the taxpayers that don't utilize these things paying for it. >> Well, they already are. >> Okay. Anymore. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and and I think that's important to understand is that, >> you know, taxpayers are footing the bill for all of this because it's city property. And >> my only concern is that if you open it up for one, you should open it up for all. Uh because ultimately staff can't be police saying uh you're good enough and you're not >> right. >> Uh you know >> well then you have the enforcement piece which is a cost to that too. >> Someone who could be out there doing this. >> Last thing I want to say on just mentioning on the bottom of page 213 here naming rights and we currently have a naming policy for when it comes to parks and and uh components of the city. I wouldn't want this policy to circumvent that policy on naming rights specifically. So, I think the naming rights should come off of this. >> Unless there's a um other meaning what you meant behind that. >> Yeah, I'm trying to remember what we did with naming rights. I'll have to >> Is it like um at Windermir Park for example and the baseball association says, "Hey, we're gonna we will name this after you if you donate." >> Oh, that's right. No, this this this is for naming rights that Thank you, Council Laura. This is for naming rights that are paid for, not not We We have a policy in place that it's not naming rights. that's actually naming a city facility based upon >> criteria >> uh certain criteria, not someone that's just paying for it. That's that's >> So, can we add add the uh uh maybe sponsored naming rights or or >> Well, naming rights is different than naming a facility after someone. >> Okay. As long as we've had that conversation, we all understand that. Yeah, that's >> well here. So, here's how I'm just if you want to start on this end, we'll give her all of our thoughts going on the way down. Um I feel like this is a good starting point. Um I want everyone to know that this isn't permanent. This is something that just like when we talked about other ordinances like um the cannabis and other things that we've done, it's a starting point and it's always room there's always room for adjustments as time goes on. So, this isn't written permanently and yeah, so um I'm fine as it's presented. Councelor Confers. >> I agree. Um it it it is um we always have a way and a form of changing things and I mean we always need someone somewhere to start a foundation and this is it. Um and I actually I agree. I was thinking about the um the signs but then the advertising but then you think about it and then everybody like um Mr. Reynolds was saying you're going to have to give everybody the opportunity and then you're going to have signs everywhere and then when is that going to be too much? So >> you got to place it. Exactly. So, it's like I'm perfectly fine with the way it is. >> Mr. Whiting. >> Yeah. I can't support it because I know there's organizations out there that currently have events where they're relying a lot on those sponsorship signs for that one day event. >> So, I can't support this as written. >> Mr. Fellaini, >> same thoughts. I mean, for me, if you have a I'm going to say youth program, say wrestling or something, they have a sponsorship. All guess wrestling is a bad example. It's a youth program that's has some kind of sponsor coming in. They can't put signs up. I think that prevents that sub I guess subsidizing that event by that sponsor if they can't have the advertise. >> So, let me ask a clarifying question. It's one thing to have an event, you know, you've got, I'll say, the baseball tournament just to use that as an example, and you already receive donations from XYZ sponsors. >> So, what you're saying, if I'm hearing you correct, is you're not allowed to thank them sponsors publicly during the event. >> Yeah. By putting like signs up. I mean, no, that's not what we're talking about. >> Yeah. What we're talking about is I've got an event and I go to you and I say, "I'd like you to sponsor uh this and I will give you this banner for $500 uh and then you can give the money to me." That's what this is. This isn't saying that's how we paid for fireworks in the old days, remember? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This is this is selling of advertising for for funds, not thanking >> Yeah. >> uh uh an organization for being part of whatever the event is. >> So they can put up a small sign saying thanks to uh Greystone Construction for making this event possible. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, that's different. >> Even though they gave $100 to make that event possible, >> to get the sign, that's what our uh service organizations are doing to create some revenue for their event. already. So, I don't want to put those organizations in already, you know, their whole take 20 grand out of their pocket basically by signing this ordinance. I'm not going to do that. >> I'm I'm a little confused. >> They're there's organizations out there that'll say, "Hey, we're having an event. You give us $100 to sponsor this event and we'll put a sign up thanking you for this." So, they're selling advertising, >> right? or the sponsorship to the club, but it's a it's advertising. It's selling. >> But they but I'm if if I'm understanding, if if if you have a service organization that's doing something in Huer Park like Derby Days, >> they're selling advertising, right? >> Yeah. >> For that event and that will be shown at the event during the event that they paid for and are permitted to do. and then it comes down after the event, >> right? Because I'm thinking that's not what this is. >> What's in my mind is >> let's just um the scoreboard at the uh at the 17th Avenue Field where it's a permanent structure and there's permanent advertisements on there that they sell. That's what I'm envisioning. I'm not >> This does not if if an organization wants to have a thank you sign or anything else for the duration of their event, that's fine. This is this is this is signage on scoreboards on the walls of of uh you know >> things that need to take it down. >> It ultimately is what you want uh because you made the rule many years ago. So if you want to change it just let us know what >> I just think we're not clear on the finer details. And I I think what you're trying to say is the materially permanent stuff is one thing and then you have this few day temporary stuff is another thing. >> This covers permanent signage sold much like we do the boards at the ice arena. >> Yep. So like for councelor whiting I like what this this to me in my opinion this would not impede on any social clubs advertising at their event during that time >> unless they think they can leave it there year round and if they then they're in violation. >> Yeah. >> As long as that those events are are covered and uh um they can advertise their sponsors for that event that >> maybe maybe I can I can we can make one change that might help. This includes but is not limited to the selling of permanent banner space, fence, signage, scoreboards, logos, or naming rights in exchange for donations. >> That would work. >> Okay. >> Where was this at? >> On the last paragraph, we're adding the word permanent. And there's always um in my thought you know I I know like our I I'll use the example the football team they always use like Facebook and they go on there and they thank everybody. We we we are going towards more of the like. So I think that's a great thing we should always say hey you know why don't we use those you know um resources. So I mean I see it and I thank you to Hiy for the dinner for the boys and tomorrow you know whoever it is and the next person and the next person. So, >> just thinking of a specific event that's held during one or two days at one of our city facilities. >> Yeah, I don't foresee that being an issue. >> You know, if if we I don't know what it costs, but if we have large donors that are making our community outstanding, we as a city council and city should be recognizing and thanking them. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Exactly. >> Okay. >> And then the service organizations come back and donate back to the city. So, we don't want to hinder them. >> Okay. So, what where we going here, council? Um, so I'll start over here. Um, again, I'm still fine with everything how it's written. And then now we just added the word permanent. So I think that should make everyone that should make it better. >> I'm good. >> Okay. >> With that change, I could accept it. >> Do we have a motion to approve? Uh, >> um, >> is that >> so like the top part? Um, >> this says simple majority. >> We still want a motion. Yeah, you'll need to uh have a motion to approve the the policy. >> Then uh Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve the uh policy as we discussed. >> Enhancing of city property by non- city organizations and groups. >> Yes. Uh policy on modification enhancement of city property by non city organizations and groups >> as modified. >> As modified. >> I'll make I'll second that. >> Second. Mr. Whiting seconds the motion. >> Uh do we need further discussion? All in favor say I. I opposed. Motion passes. >> Thank you, Mr. Reynolds, for your patience and uh clarity. >> Thank you. >> 9C discussion on dog day daycare and boarding proposed ordinance in residentially zoned areas. Mr. Kerski, thanks for hanging out with us tonight. >> Yes, sir. Mayor, so city attorney drafted this up based on some other ordinances that they were able to find in neighboring communities and also from your input at the workshop. But again, this is a continuation of here we are, what other changes you want to make. This will still need to go to a public hearing at the planning commission and then come back to you because this is a change in the land use section of the city code. Questions for staff? Mr. Whiting? >> No, we workshopped this discussion and I think that everything I read here reflected what we discussed unless somebody else has some other things that they noticed. >> Mr. uh Mr. Thompson, were you the one that helped draft this or was someone else at your office that drafted it? >> I'm just No, I Well, I drafted this in coordination with another attorney in my office, but I was adopted. >> So, I just have a a question for you. Um would you be able to give some insight as to like what maybe you pulled in from other cities that maybe we didn't discuss that got added? >> Yes. Um a lot of it staff had already generated because we got a memo from Michael that had a lot of additional criteria but uh u we focused on the home occupation permit component of this and that's not how all cities regulated. Okay. But for example about the maximum number of dogs and the outdoor activity all what we so what this does is add additional criteria to the home occupations portion of the code for someone who wants to get a home occupation for these specific types of uses. >> U so we pulled in uh other looked at other codes to see what types of things they regulated. Sometimes it was licensing, wasn't necessarily home occupation, but that's what we p pulled in and plus from what Mr. um Mr. Kersky provided. So um so I guess that's the best best way to put it. We try to keep it simple because the discussion at the last meeting on this was you wanted to allow this as a home occupation and that's all we were dealing with is allowing these types of uses in a >> single family home >> with limitations. >> Right. with limitations. So, we added >> additional limitations and they also have to comply with the normal limitations like they can't have more than one employee uh employee that doesn't live in the house. So, all the normal conditions that apply to home occupations apply to these plus uh whatever we added here 12 or 14 >> total number of books these types of things. >> Does that answer your question counselor? >> Yes. Thank you. >> Any other questions of staff? Um I I do >> go ahead counselor. >> Um I guess in like number three it says in addition to the above criteria the home occupant permit for the temporary care keeping um keeping sitting boarding or grooming of dogs not owned by the resident of the home must also f why did we why do we keep grooming in there if um grooming um appointments like has no limits? I'm a little I mean I I I guess I I I guess there's a lot of questions that I that I do have. And then on B 3B um outdoor activity shall be limited to the rear yard fence area of the property. I think in a way like what about properties that don't have yard in fences because there's people like in apartments like college kids who do you know the the doggy sitting like what happens there? We need to be I feel like more specific. And then like C dogs shall not be left outdoors unattended for more than 30 minutes at a time. Um but shouldn't they still be supervised like supervised in way of like camera to wa you know someone watching them through windows or because I mean that opens doors to dogs that are stolen, dogs that are fighting, dogs that are barking. So I I I there's a lot of stuff. Sorry, I just >> Who wants to tackle the three questions? >> So, mayor and councelor, we can leave grooming in its own category, which it currently has. So, we can pull that out. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I think that um councelor Curus makes some points. Again, this is a working document. It's still got to go to the planning commission. Um but we just wanted to get some feedback. So, we're getting some. And I think that um there are I think last time I looked about 2,000 people offering this service currently in the city limits. So we can look at what people in apartments are offering versus people with housing with houses. Um I know some people made a comment. We currently do not regulate the number of dogs you personally own. So we can make that adjustment in this to not limit the number of dogs you personally own because it's already covered by a separate ordinance. Thank you. >> The the landlord's going to take care of the dogs in the apartment, I would think. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm not sure the issue with the >> first landlord would have to allow the tenant to do it. >> Right. >> And then I'm not sure if if you're renting an apartment if that's considered a home occupation. >> Yes. Yes, it is. >> It is. Okay. >> Um Mr. Mayor, >> and the grooming this, we certainly can take that out. I agree. I I think the reason we put it in just for discussion is we didn't want someone to claim that although they had dogs there all day, they were only quote grooming them and waiting for someone to pick them up. So I think but there's no problem taking it out because I agree these conditions that we added are specific to dog daycare and dog boarding more than dog grooming. So we can we can take that out. >> Okay. And then can I may I >> Sure. Go ahead. Um in the next there's another I'm just jump um three I yeah it says um no hold on is it I yeah record of all animals boarded shall be maintained and made available to the city um and other requ uh required agencies upon request um question who are the other agencies and what records >> will they be requesting >> if you're bit they probably want to know if you >> right but like the who like other agencies just just to make sure I mean you know okay >> it might maybe you want to board your dog at place and you want to know if the other dogs in their care have are up to date on their shots. Okay. >> I like the idea of having a record so that they do say all right yes you only had this many dogs >> but I just wanted to know like who can you know be who can request them like who would the other agencies >> so mayor and counselor currently so if you take your dog to one of the establishments you have to provide vaccination records plus your vets's name in case something happens to the dog. If someone gets bit typically it gets reported to the police department. Um, >> okay. >> And they're going to want to see that it has a rabies vaccination >> and and many of them have that on their chip. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And and also from a city's perspective, if we have complaints, >> right, >> we want to be able to come in and see, okay, how many dogs have you had? You know, what are the issues that we we're having complaints about? You know, five, 10 dogs running around. No, no, here's the records on what we have. just just to be able to ensure that we are adequately policing in the general sense the ordinance. >> You'll see it pretty quickly if they don't have accurate records or >> or the neighborhood in general if the other five dogs don't belong to that boarding outfit and are just running the neighborhood. >> Mhm. >> I'm not sure I have a problem with the 30 minutes outside alone unattended. I if you got a fenced in yard, 30 minutes for a dog should be fine. I don't know. Well, as long as they're, you know, I mean, a stolen dog, a miss, they jump over the >> We can't That's not on everything in here. >> Yeah, that's the liability of the person taking care. >> That's the risk they're taking on. >> Um, >> and I know someone, one of our constituents had um emailed us and I just if you could give it a look just to make sure. >> Um, >> mayor and council already sent um those to the city attorney and he'll go through it. >> Okay, I think that's it then. 2G shall not have any receipt or delivery of merchandise goods or supplies except through US mail, similar >> partial delivery service or personal vehicles not exceeding one time. >> UPS and FedEx is okay. >> Yep. That's currently in the >> Yeah, that's our current >> city code right now. >> Okay. like who would it be dog food delivery trucks or I don't want to restrict council that was put in because um before my time but some people were having semis come to their house with deliveries >> y I I don't want to restrict a home occupation >> on deliveries more than their home would be if they didn't have the home occupation >> okay just that was just clarifying because I don't know what the tonnage is on a UPS truck Right. >> Yeah, we're not going to run out way either. >> All right. Anything else? >> Great. Thanks for the feedback. Looks Sounds good. >> Thank you. >> Sounds like we're on the right path here. >> 9D proposed changes to rental ordinance adding short-term rentals. Mr. Kursky. So, mayor and council, this is uh exactly what it says. We're proposing to make changes to our current rental ordinance to include short-term rentals. So, they would have to get inspected uh just like our current rental properties do. You'd still be limited to the 60 days a year for short-term rentals and then um subject to all the rules and regulations that our current rental policy has. >> Mr. Are we aware of anybody that's purchased houses specifically for >> just >> so we're putting them out of business? >> Yes. >> Because I think one of the things we heard from all the other cities that have this when you buy your house, you don't expect to have a hotel next to you. You expect it to be a single family home. And that's why our ordinance requires the 60-day clause so that you have to be basically an owner occupant. We have a number of homes in the community that have been purchased where they're strictly renting them as a short-term rental. So, you have constant turnover basically your neighbors. You don't even know who your neighbors are because it changes weekly. >> What is the impact here? How many you think? >> We won't know yet. It's become a big enough issue that there actually is software that goes out and using AI finds all the homes in your community that are being rented and then gives you a list so you can see who whether it's an out of town uh owner or not. But I know we have one house in particular where we get complaints two or three times a month where clear that the person's not living there. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Lara. >> Um Mr. writing had mentioned that um that it would be putting them out of business because that's what they bought the home to do. But that's just in terms of short-term rentals. That doesn't mean they can turn they can't turn it around and use the home as a >> as a long-term rental. >> Yep. Yep. >> So, you know, right correct. So, what happens if somebody rents for 45 days and in the first three weeks of that it doesn't work out and they get the boot and now they want to rerent it out again. Um, they're going to be limited by that first period of time not working out. Correct. >> No, mayor and council. This is strictly a short-term rental are people that rent literally for a short term. So that's >> a week a weekend. Um our current rental ordinance, if you rented your house for 3 months and then you had to evict the person or they left town or whatever, you can still rerent your house. Um >> this is strictly to regulate the short-term rentals and that house would have that you're talking about would have to be owner occupied. So, you have to maybe you go to Florida for a week or two or whatever and you want to rent your house out. >> Mr. White, >> often times leases are 30-day leases or month-to-month leases just to have the opportunity in case there's issues to evict somebody or move on. Mhm. >> I My bigger concern is that it has to be an actual rental where you're paying for it. I don't want to see us saying you need a permit to have your son or daughter's graduation at home or uh you know, you're having f family over for Christmas and you got a house full or something. >> Short-term rentals, that's different. >> So, it's it's a money it's a money exchange. >> Money has to be exchanged. >> Although some families might want us to, but It's true. >> So, it would be a money exchange. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And just wanted to mention that currently all rental properties are registered within the city. If you have a rental, you're already registered supposedly. >> A long-term rental. >> Long-term rental. Correct. [Music] >> Any changes? >> None for me. >> Good. I see councelor Delaney saying no. No on this side, Mr. Whiting. >> No, I'm fine. >> You're fine. All right. Looks like you >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> 10A City bill list. >> No questions for me. >> Missed leazison on administration reports. >> Oh, it's okay. >> My bad. Sorry. Leazison, what where am I? Hold on. Delaying side this time. Okay. Okay, lazy report 169 coalition. We are looking at um basically mothballing 169 coalition uh by the end of the year. Uh we're going through that discussion now and going through the process um with support from the county to make this a uh a smooth transition. Um we'll have one final have meetings leading up to a final meeting to kind of I guess celebrate the 16 kind coalition everything they've accomplished over the years u bring back some of the uh original I guess members of to kind of I guess put a capstone on it just >> celebrate >> celebrate so that's with 169 coalition as far as uh public utilities uh nothing till the next meeting of course tap 2020 25 just happened. Uh that was a real uh fun event to go to on a Saturday. So hopefully everybody had a chance to do that. And then we had the swearing in of uh Chief Joe Simon. >> I don't know that >> uh either. >> Just the other day we had the MBTA executive committee meeting. Uh we discussed uh we had a freedom of information act requesting information on our salaries and some discussion and some uh press on that. Uh, so we actually had the the third-party salary compensation study people come in and discuss how they came up with their information and data and there's going to be some more information coming back with that. But if you have any questions on that definitely uh can fill you in how we came up with those decisions. >> All right. >> Anything else, sir? >> That's it. >> Thank you, Councelor Contrarus. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'll start off with my scale meeting. Um, I obviously forgot my notes. That was last Friday. But um so we had Superintendent Andrew Vulmouth from New Prague Area Schools who gave an update from the area um the New Prague area schools. Um let's see. And then the second part was happy birthday Bloomington Ferry Bridge. It's coming close to the 30 year anniversary. Um, and meanwhile, Fred Coran talked about the background and he said to watch out for what's coming from Scott County Historical Society coming for 2026 to celebrate the 30th year. Um, and then um we had the second part of the fire panel discussion on how our communities um are changing in the last five years. Um, where they're going, where they are, where they're think that they're going. um the challenges and opportunities that come with this um vital public safety service. And then let's see, where am I? Sorry. Um I attended the ribbon cutting for Lean Chen's, attended the TAP 2025 kickoff, the dinner kickoff, which was a great, you know, social event um and all our entrepreneurs that were there. uh attended the ribbon cutting of the legacy central today and then attended the CAP agency six 60th anniversary um community event that they had um and then uh last but not least I also attended the swearing at Chief Joe Simon just busy that's all >> very good Mr. Lara. >> All right, let's see. Um, so I'll start with um after the last meeting, uh, attended the swearing in of Chief Joe Simon. Um, let's see. TAP 2025 kickoff dinner with entrepreneurs, business leaders, and other elected officials. >> Lean Chin ribbon cutting. Uh, the next day was the TAP 2025 event. Um, hot but a very good event overall. Uh, Monday school yesterday was a schoolboard meeting. Um so one thing that they were talking about is there's been um assessments being done to end the um contract or the um facilitating of after school and before school child care with the YMCA and the school is um the community education is looking to bring that under um the school district. Um so they're currently in the planning process to have that implemented by the fall of 2026 to no longer use YMCA. Um, and I guess what happens is is the YMCA pays rent to use the facilities after and before school. And what they're hoping that is then the uh revenue driven from that would then go back to the school district directly versus passroughs. Um, let's see, it is um schoolboard appreciation month, so they were recognized um for their um contributions and they are still making uh progress with their special election. Um, oh, uh, Greystone Construction has signed on to be an academy champion. So, congratulations and thank you to them. And then, um, today was the CDA Legacy Central ribbon cutting. Great facility for them. And then the CAP 60th anniversary community event was this evening as well. >> Very good. >> Please let the school board know we appreciate them. >> We'll do. Yes. My report. Uh, Friday was the Leon Chin's grand opening at the Dean Lake Boulevard new location. Um, what else we have? Friday evening was the TAP 2025 dinner at the landing. I said a few words. Um, foundry. Um, good to see some of our our businesses down there. Uh, GNN was there. GNR. Uh, they were there. It's good to see them. had a good conversation with them. Saturday was tap 2025 downtown. Got to say, Badger Hills got a great non-alcoholic beer. It was the best one down there in my pallet opinion. >> Got not >> Chelsea liked it, too. >> Can't help it. >> Enjoy it. >> Uh, one other place had a great uh Sassy FRA homemade root beer. Oh, that was good, too. >> Um, so yeah, that was a good time. >> A lot of good folks having a having a good time, which is always good. And I messed up my calendar here. And then today, the CDA had their uh grand opening of ribbon cutting at the Legacy Central, which was the old central school building. um Fifth, Sixth, Home Street, uh Lewis Street, that block where they're going to have a like their other designs, you know, a one-stop shop type design where they've got their administrative building or upfront with apartments uh behind. I think that's 55 plus, I think, and uh income based. Um, yeah. You know, and while I was talking down there today, a couple of things that came to mind was I think the last high school class to graduate at when that was a high school was 1975. My older sister brought that to my attention. She's coming to town Saturday for their 50th annivers uh reunion. And uh she was the last grade that graduated in that school as a high school. It was used after that for other grades. >> My son was in a grade that was the last for the middle school era, the last schools that was. >> So that was kind of a cool refreshing memory. Um it's great to have uh a lot of these count we're the county seats. So we get the benefit of having many of these county services very convenient for the citizens residents of Shakape. Um granted the county does a lot of things that cities don't do. Um, cities do a lot of things counties don't do. Um, but being that we're all pretty much centrally located here on many services is in itself a convenient benefit. So, I see Commissioner Brennan's here. Thank you for attending tonight. >> Thank you. >> And, uh, I believe that's the end of my report, >> Mr. Reynolds. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I I just have one uh, you know, just kind of an announcement. Uh um our fire marshal Tom Pit Snider uh celebrating his 40th year >> with the city of Shakabby. 40 years with us and and uh I think that's remarkable. But uh you know I know most of you know Tom. Tom is an exceptional public servant, very caring uh about this city. always has been uh is always looking to do the right thing for its residents and so if you have an opportunity uh don't hesitate to reach out to him and and thank him for his 40 years of service. uh it's welld deserved and uh uh you know he you know as he he's talking about what he's going to do later and so we part of our succession planning we brought somebody in to work under him now for a while um depending on when uh Tom ultimately wants to to retire but uh he's spending time uh instructing this individual on 40 years of knowledge about the city. So, uh, that's pretty amazing. >> Mhm. >> Uh, to have somebody there that, you know, like I don't know. Well, ask Tom and a lot of times Tom will have the answers. So, uh, hats off to Tom uh and his wonderful family and, uh, yeah, I just wanted to make sure everybody was aware aware of, uh, Tom Pit Snider's 40 years here in the city. >> Congratulations. >> And that's all I have, sir. >> City bill list. Any questions on that? I kind of glossed over it. >> None for me. >> Okay. 10B. >> What? I think we started on this side. We'll start over here this time. >> Delaney. >> Okay. Shakabe Fall Food Truck Festival. The Fall Flu Truck Festival is taking place on Saturday. >> The microphone, please. >> Speak up here. Okay. The fall food truck festival is taking place on Saturday, September 20th, 2025 from 11:00 to 8:00 p.m. I will definitely be there at the landing. Enjoy delicious food and beverages from more than 30 food trucks, plus live music and familyfriendly activities throughout the day. >> Thank you, sir. >> All right, fall cleanup day is coming right around the corner. Start lining up on 4th Avenue tonight. Uh it's actually October 18th at 7:30 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. So, you could probably wait a little bit. Uh, it's out in the public works facility. >> Thank you, Mr. Whiting. Excuse me. Cardboard recycling bins, in case anybody that uses them have been down and noticed, they're moved just slightly to the north. Still visible from the other location. 500 Gorman Street building. Parking lots getting reconstructed between September 15th and October 10th. So during the construction, it will be located on the parking lot just north um 400 Gorman Street. So continue to use it. Break your stuff down. Make sure you put in the container so don't blow around the city. Appreciate that very much. >> All right. Fall yard waste drop off. Dakota uh Prairie Compost is offering free, yes, you heard that right, free fall yard waste drop off from October 1st through the 31st of 2025. Drop off your yard waste at 12, what is it? 12386 Chestnut Boulevard. Resident uh Shakipi residents must show ID Monday through Thursday 7 to 7, Friday 7 to 5:00, Saturday 8 to 2, and Sunday it's closed. And that is over by the Renaissance. It's on 41 just over the railroad track. Soon as if you're going north on 41, you just after you cross the track, you make a left. >> Left lane quick. Yeah, there you go. Thank you. >> All right. Fire department openhouse. The Shocki Fire Department will have their annual open house on Monday, October 6th from 5 to 7:00 p.m. This is a free event. No registration is required. >> Very good, Mr. Delaney. >> All right. Jackson Commons and Farmstead Bike Park grand opening. That is a great park. You haven't been over there. The Jackson Commons and Farmstead Bike Park grand opening celebration will be on Saturday, September 27th at 10:00 a.m. at Jackson Commons Park. And I may bring my bike and try one of those trails. I >> I don't know. We'll see. >> I'm gonna record it. >> Mr. White, >> this is important. Uh Scott County is hosting two public meetings for the upcoming transportation projects in partnership with the city of Shakipi. Uh the first meeting will be on uh for county uh CH16 modernization project between uh uh CH18 and and uh TH13. Uh, this meeting will be held Tuesday, September 23rd from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m. at the McCall Pond Environmental Learning Center located at 13550 Dakota Avenue South in Savage. Uh, the second meeting will be for the CH17 Reconstruction Project. This meeting will be held Tuesday, September 30th between 4:30 and 6:30 p.m. at the Scott County Public Works Building located at 600 County Trail East in Jordan. Residents interested in learning more about these projects are invited to attend these meetings which will be informal and no presentations will be given. >> Thank you, Mr. Whiting. I do plan on attending the Marshall Road uh open house that the county is putting on. heard a lot of comments from some of the residents and uh I told the residents I would go and listen and help facilitate their comments being heard or at least documented. Um good list of great things happening. So awesome, awesome, awesome. Item 11, other business. >> Other business? >> Nothing here. >> I'm good. >> Wishes council. Oh, >> Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to adjourn to October 1st, 2025 at 6 PM. This meeting will be held at the Scott County Government Center. >> Second. >> Second to the motion. We have a motion second. Any discussion? Discussion. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion passes. We're adjourned.