reports, presentations, and awards. Starting off with the golf committee. >> Uh golf committee. We met last t Tuesday. >> Y >> um we were discussing the budget, which we'll be talking about tonight. And then uh we were also discussing uh security cameras. We had uh somebody had some stuff stolen again out the golf course and be more coming on that. >> Okay. Any other questions for Mike? All right, we'll move on to fireboard. >> Fireboard, we met uh just last night. Uh besides the usual the paying the bills and payroll, uh we talked um uh Corey Boyer, former uh city employee here. Um he gave a presentation on uh form funds, which um when you um or just different places where you can put your money. So um as a city or as an entity we would be uh limited. We of course can't go into we made the joke about Bitcoin or anything high risk. You know you don't um uh we're not here obviously to to invest money. You know we have services provides. So but um when you you know think about buying a fire truck and things like that you do accumulate the cash coming into that. So um you can put those in you know it's pretty legally regulated. But uh the 4M fund is that's one of the options you can put um the money into while you're waiting to um you know if it's coming due to spend it. So we did have a presentation on that and something we uh uh considering there um and that was kind of related to we had a a CD which is one of the options um that you can do and so we have a CD coming up for renewal. So it was a good time for uh good time to be discussing that. [snorts] Um Marilyn is going to be uh stepping down as the she's the treasurer secretary of the fire board. She's been on there for 33 years. Uh and she is um she's going to be stepping down later this year. Uh and so we had initially um our initial discussions is we were going to take the uh secretary and the treasur. We were going to split them into two different positions. And so originally uh we were going to be talking about uh the treasur's job description and that was something we were going to be posting for. Um we are now of course going to have to look for a secretary too. So um so that will be uh we'll be posting for that shortly, but um obviously we'll be re revising that. Um you know if it's uh if you only get one person and you know it kind of depends on who who who uh applies for it. So, um, if anybody is looking for a, uh, part-time position, the fire board will be looking for a secretary and a treasurer. So, um, but, uh, thank you to Marilyn for, uh, 33 years of service, uh, to the fire board. Um, and she's going to stick around, um, um, you know, she she's going to do the job in the meantime and then she'll stick around until, uh, the replacement can come in. Then, of course, there can be the transfer of knowledge. So, um, and otherwise we had, uh, let's see, the computer was delivered. Uh, it's going to be set up. So, uh, that's about all I got. All right. Questions for Rick. [clears throat] >> And then EDA, >> EDA met a week ago yesterday. We received a purchase agreement on that property at Liberty and Highway 10. We suggested some edits to go back to them and the housing study will be presented to us September 1st. That's about all I've got. >> All right, questions for Robin. All right, we will move on to number seven, board committee and consultant reports. First up, we have the Sand Hill Park site prep funding approval with Mr. Kudson. Good evening, mayor and council. In front of you tonight, I got a got a bit of a unique request uh and it comes down to timing uh with the uh town board acting last night to approve the 122nd road improvements that you guys passed on the 5th. Uh we'll get underway with that. I'll work with the contractor, but uh Ruck Excavating was a low bid and won that. and I met with Tony on the project and what we're looking to do uh we we hold a bunch of excess material from the golf course ponds over there and um the lay of that park land there's 6.4 acres and it kind of high side on the south and kind of slopes towards the road right now. So, uh, what we would like to do is, uh, while he's out doing the work on the road, once he completes that, keep his dozer on site, blend all that road, all of that material and, uh, reshape some of the lot, take some of that high-side hill, bring it towards the center, um, and level the the area off, kind of creating, um, ditch around the the majority of that so we get good drainage, and uh, we we don't have any water sitting or being pushed out to neighboring properties. Um, 7,500 is the high side. um that I'm looking for. The reason I put it a little bit higher uh just in case we need material uh we're going to propose a a pavilion uh for the site and if we need some uh uh fill material brought in to elevate that up a little bit to get good drainage off of that. Uh we'll have that. We we would acquire the material. We'll haul it uh more than likely. Um but if there's a cost to that um we'll we'll see. But I put it a little bit higher so I wouldn't exceed that. where the money's coming from. I'm proposing to take it out of the CIP. Currently in this year's CIP, we have $20,000 set aside for Carly Johnson irrigation and turf uh improvements or establishment. Uh what we did, we proposed, Chris, if you remember the original budgets for our park operating. We're pulling all of that money. The only time we'll put uh irrigation in our CIP is if it's a new park, which this one is. I don't [clears throat] want to just, you know, pocket that money and use it for this, but I thought it was a good source for us to get out there while we've got a contractor on site. We don't have the mobilization costs again. So, it's it's a good value for us to do that. [snorts] Uh Tony, when I walked through it with him, he thought it would be maybe a day's work uh for somebody out there. Uh Jesse and I walked the the site on Friday. it kind of gave him what's going to happen and he's going to be working out there with the contractor to make sure that uh we're not doing, you know, too much work or having to do rework. Our public works guys, uh, if you approve this, they'll do the final grade on that and we'll work on seating and and look to try and do some sort of irrigation yet this fall as well. And then, not to get over our skis, if you look farther down on the agenda, there's a donation in the consent agenda item uh from our our friends at the Becker Lions. um they've committed money to uh uh this park for a pavilion out there. Uh so I'm working on numbers for that. I anticipate having that back to you on September 1st. So that's why this timing, like I said, it's a little bit unorthodox how we're asking this timing is is really the driver. Um park and wreck did discuss this earlier in the summer. Uh too many members weren't able to meet last night, so they weren't able to discuss it again. They were in favor on some of the site improvements that we were looking to make out there. So, we were going to just get formal uh approval or recommendation last night from the park board, but uh there was early consensus that this is the direction they'd like to see it go. So, uh with that, I would be uh looking for movement on this so we can uh get Ruck out there when he does the road project and and get this park ready to roll. the the dirt work you want to do out there. Is that going to pretty much level off the because I think if you're going to level it off, you might end up having to bring some stuff in >> the the uh the the only thing that's going to stay exactly as it is is the parking lot as far as the grade and the the sliding hill. But if you look um on the south side to the road side of the sliding hill, there's a high burm there. We're going to pull about 2 ft of of that off, bring it towards the center and blend it in with the stuff that's on the north side right now and look to blend that in. It's a heavier clay and some organics in there. U we're hoping that we have enough or we'll top dress it with some compost as well. >> Yeah, I'm thinking it's just from what I remember seeing it, you might have to bring some stuff in. >> Yep. Yeah. So, we and we've shared that again. The hubards are the neighboring property. So, we let them know what what we're planning to do. We'll we'll create a swale so the water's not going to go onto their property and then we'll look to buffer that with some trees hopefully at this fall as well uh to make that happen. >> Is that going to have any effect on the culde-sac that we're putting in? >> Nope. >> Nope. We we've moved that material right now. Um what I wanted to do where we stockpiled that material. I just so our staff went out there with a front end loader and we moved that material closer to the center of the park. I didn't want the township to think that we were doing any of our park work uh in conjunction with this project. So, I'm giving Rock a a kind of a clean slate to do the work that we need to on the road because that's all shared cost. He'll clock out and then work with us exclusively on this this item and uh we'll build this separately and it'll be exclusively to the city for this one. >> Okay. So, >> is the the concept done for Sand Hill Park? I mean we know what's going there and >> [snorts] >> um yes and no >> not not in terms of equipment but in terms of layout um basically >> basic design yes so uh next to the basic concept right now is a pavilion uh towards the center the parking lot is established we're actually adding to the parking lot a little bit so we'll get two-sided parking we'll be able to store about 20 I think it's 28 vehicles out there at full capacity um where the Sliding Hill is at right now if you go straight east towards the road, the play area would be proposed there. And then keeping the northern portion of it for open green space. >> Uh probably put a back stop in there. No base paths or anything like that, but you know, kids if they're throwing pitching, you know, bat that way, so you're batting towards the the the open field area and keeping the balls off of the uh the 153rd. >> Um and again, with the road going away, we're going to bring that right back down to to grade to keep pedestrians off there. And we're doing hard stops on both of those potentially jersey barriers on the culde-sac as well uh to make it very prominent that you don't try and take the ditch. Um so and I've worked with PD so they know when we start this uh we're going to put traffic control changes ahead. No outlets on the other side. There's a lot of aggressive signage we'll put up there cuz it's going to be a major change. We're gonna upset a lot of people because I don't I mean, we're going to message it normally through social media um in our website, but there's so many people in the community that that use that. It's a cut across for the county. It's amazing how many people use that that road. So, it's going to be a a gamecher uh when that road goes out, but I think it's the right thing to do. We'll keep people from interfering with the park and and give the kids out there a place to play they haven't had for for uh >> and keep the residents happy out there. I believe it'll keep the residents happy. Yes. The ones we've talked to are going to be thrilled with it. So, yes. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> All right. Any further questions for Phil? >> If not, would someone like to make a motion to do the site prep work at Sand Hill Park? >> I'll make that motion. >> I'll second. >> Have a motion by Robin, second by Mike. Is there any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> Anyone opposed? State no. Motion's carried. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Next up, we have the BCC gym doors and windows replacement. Miss Thomas is here with resolution 2674. Good evening, mayor and council. Um, the Becker Community Center gym has four exit doors on the north side of the building leading out to once what was once a concrete patio. Um, the patio was cracked and weeds were growing through it and is no longer there and grass has been planted in its in its place. These doors were originally placed there with the thought process of hosting weddings in our gym space and then using that as another extension of the wedding space for decoration and being able to go in and out through those four doors. Um, with this year's CIP, we're proposing to remove two of the center doors. So, there will still be one on each end of the row and one will be on when we put our curtain down, one will be on one side of the curtain, the other one will be on the far end of the bigger side of the gym, closer to where our door to the garage is and the storage. Um, so there's also leaking windows on those windows and the idea with this is that we would replace those with we'll place replace the doors with new windows and replace the leaking windows in those sections. Um, this was already budgeted in the 2026 CIP. We budgeted 25,000 for this project. We're able to save a portion of this budgeted amount by having public works tear out the concrete when they were already working on BCC landscaping along the north side of our building and then of course the front of our building. So that's already been taken care of and that reduced the overall cost of this project. Um we got three bids and we're opting to go with H Heartland Gland Hartland Glass to do the doors and windows and the cost would be $8,227.78. So, does anyone have any questions? >> Obviously, you've taken out two doors. We're still good with fire code, I'm assuming. >> Correct. I was anticipating that. Yes, we are. >> Any other questions? >> No, >> I think something you had noted there. We haven't had a wedding there in many years. So, it's not a uh look good on paper, but >> correct. We We don't have I don't I don't know of the last time we've had a wedding there. We've had some large events, but not weddings. Nothing that uses that patio. >> 1994. >> Most weddings have alcohol. [laughter] >> We had alcohol at my wedding in '94. There >> you got married at the community center. >> We did. Absolutely. Well, we had a reception there. So, >> so that was the last one. >> Could live up to the last night. [laughter] >> Shut it down. I apologize to everybody. That was >> first and the last. [laughter] We had a class reunion there once. >> There you go. >> There was one there in about 2006. I remember about when we had ours. [laughter] >> Well, I think those windows have been leaking since about 94 if I remember right. So, this is probably a good project. >> Mhm. >> Any other questions for Brandy? Are we replacing all the windows or just the leaky ones? >> Uh, just those two in the center and the leaky ones. Yep. Good. >> So, if we don't have any more questions, I'd request a motion and a second for approval of resolution 2674 to convert the BCC gym two BCC gym doors and replace leaking windows. >> I have one more question. >> Mhm. >> Did they look at the rest of the windows? >> The rest of the windows in the space. >> Yeah. >> Yes. And so, we're going with the two middle ones cuz one, fire code and two, those are the ones that primarily are leaking. >> But there's no need to replace the other ones yet. >> Not to my knowledge. >> Okay. >> [cough] >> All right. Any further questions? If not, would someone like to make a motion on resolution 2674? >> I'll make that motion. >> I'll second. >> Have a motion by Rick, second by Mike. [clears throat] Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> Any oppos? [clears throat] State no. >> Motion carried. >> Thank you. >> All right. Floor looks awesome. by the way, >> in the in the community center, if you haven't been there to see the floor, it's I'm like in shock at how much nicer it looks in there just with that. So, that project's going super well. All right, moving on to administrator and staff reports. We have the Northland Security TIFF Assistance Professional Services Agreement. Mr. Laroo. >> Mayor Cobinger, city council members. The city received a uh application for tax increment financing uh for the project adjacent to Luan. Uh you may recall uh we received one previously from another developer uh for this project. The that lead developer has stepped aside and the subdeveloper for that prior project is now assuming overall responsibility for the project and the scope of the project has changed. So with this one, um the request is for three apartment buildings. The plan is to develop three apartment buildings, one potentially in the future. And then the area to the south, uh which was originally single family, still may be single family, but it's not determined yet. So the request at this time would be assistance for just the initial three apartment buildings. And Northland Securities uh provides our analysis of the applications and uh we do not have a contract with them. So they provide a professional services agreement. Uh the language is the same as the one that was approved at the last meeting for the one um on the Husby property. Um so the request tonight is to approve you. The council is not approving uh tiff approval. It is just approving the use of the funds to do the analysis by Northland. The developer has uh provided the escrow amount uh the not to exceed amount of $9,975. And so I'll be happy to uh answer any questions you have. >> All right. Any questions for Greg on this TIFF professional services agreement? >> No. >> Anybody like to make a motion on resolution 2673? I'll make a motion on resolution 2673 to approve the professional services agreement with Northland Securities for the TIFF analysis assistance. >> I'll second. We have a motion by Rick, second by Becky. Is there any further [snorts] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. I. >> Anyone oppose, state no. >> That motion carries. >> And we're moving right along to an RFP for legal services. Mayor Cobang and city council members uh received a letter uh late last week from Scott Lee, who has been the lead city attorney for a number of years, announcing that he is retiring at the end of the year. uh they've also had some internal changes uh at the firm and so they the firm itself has made the decision to exit the public service uh market. So we will need to find a new uh firm to do that. Um so um I had a couple of copies requested from the league of RFPs that were used to solicit uh legal services. Um and so I prepared one based on that. There there was a couple of errors. Mark caught one, I caught another. And then I'm I'm going to go through it again for grammar before sending out. But, uh, the RFP will solicit, uh, services, uh, beginning January 1 to 27. Um, if the council approves the RFP tonight, we will get it posted tomorrow, uh, on the city site. And the the league site is also a popular place to uh, to do these. I don't know that we'll do any direct um, solicitations, but we'll we'll decide that uh, tomorrow. Um, and then the hiring process or the review process will go through um, September. Um, I anticipate that we would uh the deadline is September 21st to to receive the RFPs and then the week of excuse me [clears throat] uh October 19th would be proposed to uh interview them by a committee and we'll come back to the council on how you want to handle those interviews ultimately selecting uh a new firm by uh December sometime in December and then having them start on January 1. So, with that, I would request uh happy to answer your questions, but I would request that the council approve the RFP and authorize its publication. >> All right. Any questions about the legal services RFP? >> Rude. He wants to retire, but whatever. >> Right. [laughter] >> All right. Would anybody like to make a motion to approve the RFP? >> I make that a motion. [clears throat and cough] Second. >> We have a motion by Mike, a second by Robin. Is there any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. >> That motion's carried. >> Moving on then to the consent agenda. [clears throat] Mayor Coar and city council members. Items for review, approval, or adoption on tonight's consent agenda include the revised hiring and termination report. Authorize the Tuesday, August 18th, 2026 payment of claims is presented. The claims listing has been provided to the city council as a separate document and is available upon request for public view at city hall. The total claims are $384,5585. Authorized electronic transactions is presented in the June 30th, 2026 journal. The journal has been provided to the city council as a separate document and is available for public view at city hall upon request. Approve the minutes of the August 5th city council meeting. Approved temporary liquor licenses for the Becker Lions Club for events on September 26th at the American Legion and for the Fall Fest on October 24th at the Sherman County History Center. Adopt Resolution 26-75 accepting a $3,500 donation from the Becker Lions Club for Sand Hill Park. And I'll be happy to answer any questions. >> Right. Is there any questions on the consent agenda? [snorts] If not, would someone like the motion to approve the consent agenda? >> A motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> I'll second. >> We have a motion by Rick, a second by Becky. Is there any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. >> And that motion's carried. Anybody have anything else to come before council? Just wanted to give a quick reminder that Thursday night we have the local government roundt. It'll be 5:00 here at city hall. Uh Phil and his crew have done a really good job in constant communication with the school and the county. So Thursday night we'll just firm up a timeline. I know a lot of people are asking what's going to go on with the start of school. Have a really good timeline for transportation wise. Uh we have a good timeline. Um and really [clears throat] um Thursday we'll finalize it, but for the most part it should not affect the location of anybody's pickups for the buses. It'll just people are going to have to be flexible. It might take 5 or 10 minutes longer, but um the construction crew has done a really good job of giving people access. Um, basically the the west end of Edgewood is going to start getting tarred the beginning of September. The east end will be getting curb and gutter at that same time. About the middle of September, the pavement will start on the east end of Edgewood. And by um, you know that the first weeks in October, we'll be finishing up doing signage and striping. So >> nice. things are are progressing well and um it's going good. We appreciate people's patience and um I drive it every day and the really the the crews working over there have done a good job keeping things open the best they can. >> We didn't haul gravel onto the spots that were sand because all you're doing is wasting that gravel when you're going to be taring in the future. So, we did shut it down for a while cuz people were driving around the signs and getting stuck. >> Um, [clears throat] but you know, we're doing things in the most cost-effective manner. So, we appreciate people's patience and uh the plan will be after Thursday night finalizing it. County, city, and uh school district. We will put out um a press release and some social media posts so people have an idea what's happening here for the next four to six weeks. >> All righty. >> So thanks for your patience. More information coming on that. Anything else from anybody? >> Not we would entertain a motion to adjurnn. Motion to close. Motion to adjurnn. Sorry. Second >> motion by Rick, second by Robin. All in favor of adjourning, please state I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. Meeting's adjourned at 5:25. And we'll take a couple minutes to get ready and then we'll move into the budget executive session. [snorts] Thank you. >> Well, that's a lot of pages. >> Yeah, it's too many. [laughter] Patty, >> you sure know how to ruin an evening, don't you? [laughter] >> Should have started with this one. >> Got a bad shoulder. It's hard to lift. >> Team left. >> Sorry. >> I'm freezing. >> Put [snorts] your jacket on. I'm always freezing. [laughter] That's why I carry a jacket everywhere I go. >> Thank you. [sighs] >> You didn't notice my haircut. >> Like your haircut. It's really cute. [laughter] >> Too bad. >> You did not get a haircut. >> No, I didn't. >> While ago, I would have noticed it. This one is >> I'm going to have to bring one of those robes from church before he leaves. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Can you please Well, are people ready? Should we just do it? >> Let's do it. >> Let's >> All right. >> Excitement right there. All right. >> Right. We will call the executive session to order at 5:27 and we'll turn it over to Mr. Evansteiner. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council. Um, yeah. So, another uh touch uh touch point on uh the budget and capital uh discussions. So, I'll start off with a brief overview and then I'll introduce uh the couple items that uh we'll discuss tonight. So, um the first page has the levy and rate summary. Um so for there, just a reminder, uh we've covered a good portion of what's on this page. Uh so far, um the capital improvement levy, uh we covered the items in blue that was on at the July uh 14th, we had that special meeting that Tuesday night, so really touched on capital. Um, fast forward to the 21st, uh, we talked operating levy, primarily focus on the general fund, community center, uh, the EDA, and then we also, uh, touched on the debt service levy, uh, as well that evening. Uh, and then fast forward to, uh, tonight. So, there's the three remaining, uh, capital items. Uh, so we'll have, uh, Phil will will touch on on the street plan. Very comprehensive plan. You know, that one has changed a good amount. you know, this is the first year we're really planning some of those MSAS um you know, spending some of that with the Edgewood projects. So, you'll see those programmed in. Uh we did get that housing capital grant for Luan. Um so, you'll see that as well as a as a funding source. So, a really comprehensive street plan there. Um Brandy will touch on the community center. Um you know, a lot of that the capital that that the mayor had touched on, a lot of really fun things happening over there. So took a deeper dive on some additional strategic items that are are coming up there. Um and then Josh will also touch on the uh golf capital. Um a lot of neat stuff going on over there um with you'll see a new strategy on the uh kind of the lease a lease, you know, lease to own um or a transition from the lease to more of an ownership model for some of the equipment. So um a lot of neat stuff happening in in the golf plan um as well. So, um, staff had prepared a lot of the information. We had met, uh, with finance, uh, as well as Greg and kind of digested that as staff and and kicked around some things and then came up with, uh, the proposed items you'll see, um, this evening. Um, golf operations did roll over into this. Um, we did, um, we were planning on a previous meeting, but just had some additional time with some of the changes with the with the lease uh, to the transition to the equipment piece. So, some additional time to really uh, look into that. Um just a reminder on the assumption side on the operations side we did program in uh a 3% wage increase that'll be included in the Gulf [snorts] operations numbers as well as a 15% healthcare uh increase uh programmed in uh to there. So some of those base assumptions that we normally touch on with some of our operating uh discussions. So um really you'll see on the uh on the summary uh for the capital plans you know they are a long-term plan. [snorts] uh you'll see we'll see [cough and clears throat] the next three years 27 through 29 kind of uh surrounded with some brackets. So as much as we plan for the future really try to narrow in on those you know upcoming three years on what's uh definitive and a little more um planned and try to refine some of those those numbers. Um and that's about it. That's kind of setting the table for the overview. Um ask questions as we go through. We can pause and and try to answer as uh as much as possible. So with that, I will turn it over to Phil to start off with streets. >> Good evening again. Uh streets gives us the opportunity to follow the bouncing ball because it gets kind of complicated. Obviously, we got a lot of streets and it's probably one of our biggest CIP items. Uh, as Mark had mentioned, MSAS this year, we're we're borrowing in as you guys are familiar with. Uh, because of that, we're purposely not looking to do anything. Uh, some cities continue to borrow into MSAS as you're allowed to. They kind of spend back down a few years and then borrow back in. We're going to try and uh push out First Street will likely be our next uh project that we would do MSAS, but that's uh because we did the microservicing that we pushed that out uh probably at least three years, maybe longer. So, we get a few years of payback into the MSAS system and then look to see where we're at. Knowing Edgewood was going to be our biggest one, we may not look to do a project that big. Uh finance, we've kind of kicked around, do we try and target what our annual spend is and just get in line and do that size project every year with some of our our own levied street projects. So, we'll we'll work those details out as we get to that that passing. But, uh as they've said, uh going into this thing, we we've done a lot of work. Um just to give you a background on the streets. So every year uh we go out primarily we Chris and and now Jesse they'll drive all the streets and they'll [clears throat] assess all the streets. They use the grading system that Mandot puts forth and we grade all of our streets. So we look at that identify them what's good, bad, ugly and different. The good thing is uh we don't have a lot of streets that are in in any form of disrepair. Um they need attention but we don't have massive potholes. don't have massive failure or anything like that. So, um, because of the bonding that was done several years ago, it gave us a catalyst to jump up and and we really were able to get in front of this thing. So, we're we're pretty proud of what we've done because we've done a lot of massive work with your support. U, we've spent some some money on this thing as well. But, um, this year and next year it gets a little bit complicated because of the other funding sources coming in. Lori, thank you. she tracks this stuff and understands this forward and backward where it's coming from and what's happening because we've got the grant on Luan. Uh we're also going to have some infrastructure there with that cost because of the water and sewer extensions that are going into that and we also have some matching funds potentially from future improvements. So there's a lot of different funding sources you'll see on page three. Um what we've done um I I'll just start top of the first page in 2027 what we're proposing to do. uh Third Street. Um it's time for us to do Third Street from Hancock uh up to uh Brenda Boulevard has not been done. A portion of that up to Gardener Street is a uh a urban section with curb and gutter and storm. We are not proposing to do a curb and gutter and storm from Gardener Street to Brenda because I don't have any place to put the storm water. So, we're going to keep it a rural section. um will improve it, but it's going to remain uh as it sits right now. I don't have any place to to collect and push that water, and I don't want to take up any park space over there or buy open lot to try and do that. So, um that's what we're proposing to do. Uh [clears throat] with that, uh with your permission, if this gets approved, I will dust off the plans for the uh parking for the baseball, uh situation, and we'll add that as an alternate bid and um we can introduce that even as soon as Thursday if you'd like to. going to say Thursday [clears throat] to let them know that that that would be the plan. Again, it's a problem that's not going away and this is the time to do it. You know, if we if we don't do it now, it'd be great because you can configure it right into Third Street. Get your your um your swailes and and your runoff and everything taken care of all at one time. Um >> has the school acknowledged that that that they need a parking lot over there? [clears throat] >> No, it's not a problem. It's and it's not definitely not their problem. So, we're going to continue to push that. Sorry, that was me being snarky because it's kind of frustrating. But um >> yes, we'll we'll continue to let them know. It's it's not lost on us that they won't acknowledge it, but um anybody that uses the facilities knows that it's a massive problem over there. >> Um so I think we just need to continue to push the the topic with them. Is that something we need to talk strategy a little bit on far as you know how far we might be willing to um bend you know if I mean obviously the the first option is their part I mean we'll pave it but they'll reimburse us 100%. I mean it's not our problem but it kind of you know we kind of have to deal with it. I mean it's the parking it's the other you know >> it becomes a PD problem it becomes a park problem you know so it we have to deal with it. Yeah, we we deal with the consequences of it, not necessarily the issue itself. So, I mean, is that something we maybe >> you know, poker, you know, you offer your, you know, start low, whatever, but is do we consider maybe paying partial of that? I guess >> I know one of the things that that we've talked about, Greg had mentioned it before, too, is that do we assess them on that? You know, do you [laughter] do do you guys want to partner with them and say we'll share the cost with you on that? >> Well, the problem with assessing them on it is you're going to upset some people by doing that. And the problem I have with sharing the cost is city residents are paying double because they pay school tax and they pay city tax. >> Yeah. This is obviously above my pay grade, but I I'm not afraid to have the conversation with anybody and talk wherever you guys send me. I'll I'll have that conversation because it's a real situation. So, >> Right. >> Well, it is. And there's nights you drive by there and people are parking on both sides of Third Street. It is a hu it's one of my biggest safety concerns anywhere in >> Why is there no parking on the east side of the Third Street? Why is there >> I'm not sure when that was it was it's been there since I've been here. Greg and I have talked about that. We're going to work with the chief to say do we want to put it to the other side. So they're >> well the the >> the no parking on the west side so they can park on the east side. >> Sprinkler system is on the other side and they drive over those sprinklers and they I'm sure you got to replace sprinkler heads on a regular basis. >> I don't know if we go up that far. Right. >> Yeah. So we have one head on the on the north driveway. I think on the on the north side of the north driveway, >> but we've talked Greg and I talked internally about saying, do we do we just switch the parking around? So, you don't park on the west side, you can park on the east side. >> Right. >> I think originally when it was put there, and this is just going off of memory, I think because of the bus drop off and the kids and all not having the conflict of kids darting out of cars parked on on that side, I think, but that's that's a old man's memory. So, >> when we do the street, are we going to make the street wider? Oh, no. Because the trail, you know, we have the we have the trail that brings us all the way down to Third Street, and if we do it wider, we couldn't go wide enough to do any parking on on street parking. Um I I wouldn't propose that. And the wider you make your street typically. >> Well, I was thinking allow for parking. That's what I was getting at. >> Yeah. I we I don't even know. It's kind of wonky over there how the the lot lines are technically. I think the property goes to the west side of the street already as it's called out in Beacon. So I it's it's kind of a weird situation over there. >> But I I wouldn't be an advocate or propose that we widen that street. >> Just I'm not proposing. I'm just asking. >> Yep. >> I mean that encourage I mean by doing that by not doing a whole lot and just I mean with the cars parked there it's dangerous. I mean even if we widen [clears throat] the street it's you still have the danger. I don't think you really >> I've been through there when there's room for one car. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I again I think the best solution is is getting that parking lot the way it's been proposed. Uh you get them off the street, you get them in a in a an area they continue to, you know, if the players or parents, you know, as many as as you can park in the school area as well and walk through the the east side of the ball field and get to the stands. I think if we work together in this, we know we can find a solution there. but doing nothing. And and I again I I I don't want to disparrage the school, but I I think they're going to have the same response. We don't have any money. >> It's not in the budget. We we can't afford to do this. >> So I just So you guys have have that out there and decide what direction do we want to go. >> Definitely a good topic for Thursday. >> Yeah. because I I think at a bare minimum enforcement needs to be hammered over there because that we're just we're we can't ignore that problem. I'm not saying we are ignoring it. >> In the past, the chief did not really want to do that. >> The old chief, >> correct? >> He did not want to do enforcement. >> Well, we're sitting here six months from now and something bad happens and I just think [clears throat] it starts with enforcement because that's going to get everybody's attention. Well, we they did put signs up when somebody was renting the park. And when they did that, for the most part, people didn't park in there. [clears throat] >> Yeah, that was we >> as one of the varsity baseball coaches, that was me walking over there with sandwich boards and yelling at people and saying, "It's rented today." But it's [clears throat] just got to be a a blanket thing. That's not a school parking lot. It's a parking lot for Coinger Park, which gets busier and busier and busier. And parking on that street is just a a really bad idea, >> especially with the pickle ball and the stuff that'll be, you know, that's coming. It's just going to get >> right. So, >> yeah. So, sorry to to delve into this at this point, but when we do that, I think it's the perfect time to look at that and and I think we can probably talk about it, bring it up at leadership tomorrow, too, as far as direction to go. and I'll go out there with the chief and and see what we want to do in the interim with the signs and and uh what they can do for for more monitoring out there or assessing it now that football's back in session and and kids are going to be playing over there >> as well. So, I mean, we're never going to get a parking lot if we say we're just we're going to allow parking all the way down that street. I just think third street needs to be no parking. >> Yeah. Well, I agree with that. Mhm. >> What if we just >> Well, one thing too, if we did levy it, do an assessment, it would become part of their budget. [laughter] >> True statement. [laughter] >> It would. >> Yeah. All right. >> And just one one thing to maybe talk with that about as well is, you know, the school does use the BAC a lot. There's been I mean conversations honestly since I was an administrator. So it's been over 10 years about getting everybody on the same page on how all that's going to work. So maybe maybe we need maybe this is one piece of a larger picture we need to look at in terms of usage of fields shared responsibility. I mean we've set a good I think we've done a good job on Third Street because we looked at traffic. We had a traffic study group last year that studied that area. The school did make some tweaks to how they're going to bring people into the primary and intermediate school. Um, so maybe maybe Thursday, uh, a good recommendation would be to break out not just Third Street, but overall the sharing of equipment and really look at here's how we're going to do this and um, just revisit that conversation because maybe it's maybe it's bigger than just a third street parking lot. >> So, I'll I'll bring that up Thursday. >> Works for us. We'll we'll do whatever we can. Sure. >> Okay. Uh moving down um the list uh line 49, Autumn Ridge um number two. We broke Autumn Ridge in half, so proposing to come back and do the second phase of it. Uh there are a couple potholes developing out there. So, uh we we recognize that as well as some catch basins out there. Some of the catch basins are really wonky and starting to fail. So, we'll have to take a look at those. Some of them it was almost like the catch basins were built for a 36 ft road surface and we built 34 or 34 and we built 32 cuz they're they're offset. It's really weird. Um not all of them but but several of them. So um it's time to to really address that one. Uh as you go down into uh line 52 and line uh 59, you're seeing a portion of the engineering uh for 2028. uh you what we did several year probably 5 years ago, six years ago, we take a portion of the overall street project and pull it into the prior year. So we get like I I'll have an SLA in front of you late September, October for next year's, you know, [snorts] some assuming we're going to move forward with this so we can start design work right away and and get it rolling. Okay. Um, page two, we added um I purposely held out this year uh Luan existing Luan Drive in Laura Circle uh knowing that uh we had been awarded the uh the grant for extending Luan Drive to Edgewood. Uh the reason being I wouldn't I wasn't sure if it was going to be a standalone project or not. So holding on to that gives us a little bit larger economy of scale. uh so when the contractor comes in so we'll propose to do that like we normally do reclaim those and and and redo those but we'll do it in con in concert with the uh extension of of Luan Drive uh and that's our recommendation as well. So the SLA uh has already been done for Luan Drive extension and we'll do the design work for existing Laura and Luan with the SLA that would come forth this fall. >> So will we be doing the work or will the developer be doing that work? Uh we'll be yeah we'll be we'll be doing the street and and we'll we'll do the stubs and then anything private um they would do. So that the original proposal called for a a uh a a what do we call it? A dumbbell or barbell barbell. [laughter] I'm the dumbbell and the barbell. Um but they would do that work with the development if they if if that holds to what they were doing and then we would just accept that like we did with Avalon or like we're doing on Fawsome. But otherwise, this is our I'm a control freak, Mike. If I can control the project, I want to control the project. So, um, it's in our I think it's in our best interest to do that and just stub for the developer and then we can we don't have to accept somebody else's work. We're seeing it, we're doing it, and it's it's to our standards for sure. So, [cough] >> that would be our recommendation. And I know uh there's there's some work [clears throat] we're sitting well in this this um this fund. Um our our goal uh Greg had placed it out there before working with finance that we don't want to bond again for streets. So can we do this where we get to a point um we're within probably two years of saying we're really comfortable with what we've done and now maintaining and slowing down maybe some of that spend. So we're we're in a great position with what we've got going. Uh so I feel very comfortable with that and we'll continue to work with with finance on all the numbers here because you're you're putting a good chunk of change in there. But I think we're we're being pretty good stewards with the with the funds as well. So, but >> and that was all by design too with you know knowing the sh going away at the second half and we frontloaded the 2020s with that. So this is all >> Yeah. So it's it's it's uh you had a good plan and we're executing the plan. So the dumbbell hasn't screwed it up yet. So I appreciate you guys supporting what we're doing. So you don't have other questions. I'll sit down and let somebody else speak. >> Any other questions? No. >> Okay. >> Nope. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Where are we going next? Community center capital. [cough] All right. All right. We have some some exciting changes. Um >> even smaller. Jeez. [snorts] >> [laughter] >> I'll take more if you'll give me more. >> He meant the board. >> The font. I thought you meant the >> Hey, well played. [laughter] >> You saw the opening. You went for it. >> I was actually going to ask you to hold this up so I could read it because I went from four point to three point here. >> Um, so right off the bat, we'll start with 2027, uh, line 17. And so for 27, 28, and 29, that was a three-year, three phases of a roofing project totaling $600,000. Um, we broke that down into sections, uh, based on the contractor's recommendations. Uh, year first year of it in 2027 is the largest section and the most needed and, um, most expensive. So you'll see a little bit higher on that one than you would for example in 2029 which is the smallest sections and the cheapest. Uh each year we're doing two zones for the roofing. So uh 2027 would be zone 2 which is the large majority or not the large majority but the largest portion of the roof. So that's why it's more expensive. Um, next on line 20, you'll see $12,000 for cardio equipment updates. We the plan is to do required maintenance on the treadmills to extend the life and then we're going to add two bikes to our fitness fleet. Uh, our group fitness classes max out every almost every time with weight list. Um, that's a point of contention for some of our members. So, it'd be nice to get a couple more bikes in that fleet and be able to accommodate those weight lists. Uh, we also moved some stuff around in our storage. Now, we can fit two more bikes in our storage. So, it'd be good time to purchase those. >> Do we own the treadmills? I thought we leased them and they come out and service them. And >> we do ser we have them serviced, but we own them. The last time we bought our treadmills was in 2019. >> We paid for them. >> Yep. And they were at that point 6,800 a treadmill, and that was in 2019. So, you can imagine they're quite a bit more expensive now. So, with that that $12,000 item, that won't get us very far with treadmills, but it will get us all the maintenance that we need to do on them. We did recently have Gym Works come out and do an inspection on all of our equipment, and they gave us a few recommendations on our treadmills to extend the life another couple years. So, um you'll see in upcoming years though, we do have 15,000 budgeted annually to update those pieces of equipment. So, the plan would be to phase in updated cardio equipment with that fund. Um, the next line you'll see line 22, we have the building maintenance and improvements. There's 60,000 in there. The plan for 2027 would be that we update our um bathroom and locker room stalls. Those stainless steel stalls you see uh for the to the actual bathroom stalls. And then there's a set of them in each locker room as well. Not the shower ones, but the older stainless steel ones. They're rusting. They look really icky. They're hard to keep clean. Um so we'd like to replace those. The other thing that we're looking into with these funds is to uh many community centers and schools with locker rooms are navigating cultural shifts in terms of personal identity and locker room with with locker room usage. The BCC has had a few minor interactions that has prompted us to be proactive on this topic. So, we're looking into adding changing room spaces using stalls um in both the men's and women's locker rooms. So that would cover that as well. And then on the end of 2027, you'll see $15,000 that will go towards updating and converting the arcade space into more of a teen lounge space. The reason we're looking at that, um, we've been having conversations since I've been here about how we can utilize that space. Obviously, the arcade was a nice lowcost option for us to put something in there that could be used by the community. um and then also be very easy to move [snorts] on from if we should if we choose any other options. Um I am finding that that space is heavily used by teens. It's just not used as an arcade. It's used as a hangout space which I think is valuable. Um the arcade games, the revenue we get from the arcade games is minimal. It's mostly birthday parties that use it when it's used for actual games. Um, but we often see teens in there setting up dungeon Dungeons and Dragons games or doing their homework or just hanging out after school. Um, if anything, we've seen some uh I don't want to say vandalism, that feels like an extreme word, but misuse of the arcade games. So, it may be a good option to get rid of those as well. So, what I'd like to do with that space is convert it to a teen lounge space, emphasizing some of the ways that teens are already using it to do their homework, to play games, um to hang out after school. Some of them just use it to store their stuff while they go work out. But it's a great space for teens to be rather than sitting in our lobby yelling at each other from couches. Um that's a space for them. And 33% of our users are under the age of 18. So, I think it's valuable to use a space like this for them and not eliminate the one teen space we currently have. So, we'll just emphasize that even more. >> Are we under any contract with the arcade? >> We just let that expire then. Is that the >> Yep. So, that'll expire in February. So, this project wouldn't be able to start until after that expires. I have it on my calendar to cancel that at the end of this year. If they [snorts] if they sw if you switch the games out with different games, would they be used more? >> We do switch the games out. We I mean Josh even has been in tune with what what like his kids and other kids that age want and the arcade company's really good about switching them out and even like the prizes inside the games. Um I honestly think it's in part because of cost. You know, just not a lot of teens have the funds to go and spend money on it. I mean Josh, what were you saying? It's 40 bucks every time you go and play. And so >> what [clears throat] >> his kids? >> Yeah. >> Well, for you to bring all your kids. Yeah. >> Just Josh. >> It's 20 to 40 bucks if I bring my boys there for a half hour. And I >> that's kind of missing the point on the usage of it. We need the space for the teens, but it's so monetary taxing to the users that doesn't get used in the way that we would we would initially look to have incorporated. I would also look to use that space for programming, too. Um, with with Donniey's position now being a full-time position, I think it's a great use of her time, too, to do some impromptu programming in that space, whether it be a self-led activity that we put in that space and create like a calendar of all the events that we have going on in there for teens to access. Um, I say teens, but really it's generally middle school, young, like young teens. They're not quite old enough to work out in the fitness centers, but they need a place to go. So, pre-teens and young teens, but so just a different use of that space. The large majority of that budget would be for um updating furniture, but otherwise I was thinking modular seating and then um like you might see on a college campus, some cool lounge furniture and then uh a couple TVs with some vintage arcade consoles on them with like Pac-Man and stuff. So, >> um [laughter] you want the old folks to come and play, huh? >> I'm vintage, you know, when it comes to that stuff, >> you know. I actually contemplated what word I should use for that and vintage just came out so sorry. [laughter] >> I like that. >> I think classic was the original word. >> You don't know what an Atari is? You're too young. That's all I'm saying. >> Um on 2028, you'll see the first line is that $10,000 for the BCC signage. The plan with that would be to model one similar to what Pebble Creek has. Uh public works actually built that one. So, um, our marquee on our sign is is no longer working. As you can see, we've covered it with a library sign. So, this new sign would move to, um, incorporate the library as well into it. So, and then we'd be matching similar to what you see at City Park and Pebble Creek. Um, pool and swab boilers need to be replaced due to end of life, microsurfacing of the parking lot. Um $15,000 for equipment. Again, public works truck would be a purchase of an old one from the public works department to replace the BCC van that we had. Um spa suction grate is those as we've kind of navigated with this current 2026 CIP, those have to be replaced every um so many years per statute. The pool ones just got replaced. So the spa ones will be due in 2028. The pool ones would have been due in 28, but since we were already in there tearing up the pool basin, it made sense to do it in 26 with the pool. Um, in 2029, that'll be the last phase of our roof in the smallest sections. Again, cardio equipment for that $15,000. The $18,000, it's actually right now it's under pool heat exchanger, but it should be under spa um heat exchanger. The pool heat exchanger was done this year um as part of the CIP project. So that will go just one more line down onto spa heat exchanger. That'll get updated under spa. >> Yeah, it is. >> Oh, it is under spa. Under white. Okay. >> Oh, that really really thin line over. >> It's too small. [laughter] >> So, perfect. So, that is where it's supposed to be. The pool heat exchanger was done this year, so we had taken that one off. And then the spa one will still need to be done. And then the big exciting one for 2029 would be the water slide replacement. Uh we did get a bid last time we refurbished it which was in 2019 and that $350,000 includes quite the escalator onto the from the original bid. Uh we are working with Fisher Brothers right now because they just did some up um repairs on our water side with our 2026 CIP and we will have a more updated number but that should be fairly close to what we're what we're looking at. So that'll be the big part of um 2029 and that'll include a total structural everything gone with the water slide everything replaced footings and all. So >> any questions questions for Randy? >> No. Thank you very much. >> Okay. Thank you. We're moving on to golf operation and capital. Oh, we got charts. Mr. Mayor, members of council, golf committee, the last one. I have the privilege of doing this on the my 8th anniversary as of today. I've been with the city for eight years. So, >> had a chance to work with a lot of you for many of those years and always appreciate the support. um we've been able to accomplish a lot of good things not only at Pebble Creek but throughout the city and really enjoyed enjoyed this run. Um not not typically do we present operations and CIP on the same night for the golf course but it made a lot of sense this year. So thanks for indul indulging us on this. Um as it's really intricate to both the operational budget and the CIP. I'm going to begin with kind of talking about what Mark alluded to the the maintenance package, the lease versus buy opportunity that we're we're looking at right now. So, I want to kind of talk through that because it does impact both and having an understanding of kind of where it is will will make the process of going through both the CIP and the operations budget um a little bit more streamlined. So, our current lease package uh for the equipment lease on the golf course, and this is really a product of a lot of great work that Jason has put in on this. Um so, if you've had a chance to kind of preview the packet yesterday or today, um there's a really good year-by-year narrative specific to the equipment lease. Um and I'm going to start there. So, our current leased equipment that comes off lease at the end of this year was $76,000 annually and always lived in our operations budget. Uh, like forlike equipment, if we turned that all over into the newest versions of the ex same exact equipment, that 76,000 becomes 120,000. Um, so you don't get opportunities very often like this. And I think Mike would as he's mentioned it in golf committee in the totality of Pebble Creek in the 38 39 years um we've typically owned our equipment. The lease package is probably um the outlier in the grand scope of things. Um so there's different reasons why it was transitioned from owned equipment to leased during uh previous administrations and when the golf course wasn't doing as well. Uh but looking at where we are right now, we're really proud of this plan because we think it's both um financially responsible. Um so for instance, on this sheet, only the items in green are the least equipment. So what we're proposing is basically a 100 taking that 120,000 that could have be been used just for a renewed lease of select equipment but flattening out that budget ongoing but also incorporating all the other equipment that we own the tractors the pole behinds that aren't on the lease but we still need to address. It's it's intricate to our operation. Um it allows us to introduce autonomous mowers which we've got a really good plan. Jason and I are actually doing a demo on Thursday um with some units. So those have a lot of really strong ROI where we can, you know, have labor savings with these equipments. Um so instead of just rolling that 120 into the select equipment, we're using that spend but also incorporating all the other elements of our maintenance equipment and autonomous at that same expense. Um so it's going to have a lot of benefits but really that is um probably the major factor that you'll see in the operations and CIP um reflecting that golf committee. We've talked about this a little bit. Um this is always very casual. It's a good opportunity for you guys to ask any questions about our operation as I'm kind of going through this. So feel free to or stop me along the way. Um but are there any questions specifically to the lease versus buy um scenario that that we kind of presented? >> So you start so starting next year then you want to shift from leasing to buying. So golf carts included. Um, not golf carts except for like the heavy duty utility that would be part of the plan like that the maintenance navigate the golf course with pulling equipment or you know weed whipping things like that but not not the golf cart fleet. >> Okay. So the golf carts would stay >> Yeah. We're under lease for that for I think three or four more years. So this is just specific to maintenance. >> Okay. So mowers and that that type of >> Yep. Yeah. mowers, tractors, autonomous, the grinders that sharpen the reels. It's really a holistic, you know, fertilizer spreaders, uh, vent tracks, tractors, all these everything that we either own or need to operate. Um, and really the only additional new introductions to that, uh, that fleet package is autonomous. >> Well, if you see one of them autonomous mowers running up Abbey and just kind of mowing my grass and coming back, you know, maybe I hacked it. Um >> so one of the um one of the uh you know thinking back to why we shifted that way was um that also it wasn't it wasn't the reason but it also coincided with um the mechan we had a mechanic you know full-time mechanic position once upon a time and so when we shifted I think the mechanic position went away first and then because of that we said okay well >> you know when we used to have a mechanic we could have older equipment because we had somebody that could work on it >> you Now, we're going to go to lease, that'll be newer equipment. Won't have to hire a mechanic. But that would, you know, if we're going to own equipment, we're going to run it longer. So, that would Does that Do you see that coming long term? Then we would have to introduce another mechanic position. >> Uh, no, we don't. And really, that's how it was in intended at the beginning. Maybe isn't the way it played out, but whether it's a leased equipment or owned, we're responsible for the maintenance of it or the repair work. Even under the lease package that we've current resided under, if there was a failure of a unit that um made the manufacturer or the vendor come in to do the repairs, we still paid out of pocket the same as if we owned the equipment. Um but one of the So, we're stretching out units not really beyond that level of our comfortability. Um, there are opportunities where we might extend a unit a year or two just because it's falling into our CIP schedule better, but we're really not trying to extend the life greatly. I think one of the great jobs that Jason's done on this is moving. So, for instance, two new triplex mowers are in the CIP for purchased next year. Those are our most important. You know, they do our greens or fine turf. Um, but as this plan progresses and those kind of age out, we would purchase new ones and take those ones and then move them to a secondary use where they're just using, you know, mowing tea decks or other approaches. Um, so it really has a plan of taking each new piece of equipment that we own through a life cycle. Um, instead of just, hey, this one's hit its hours limits, let's flip it out. It's no, it's still important to us, but we just can't rely on it in the same fashion as a daily daily piece of equipment. Um, so it's really well thought out like that. Um, the autonomous aspect of this, so the units that we're kind of looking at initially are these 40-in deck uh crests. Uh, we demoed an 18-in version of that a couple years ago, but as the technology is emerging, it's really their efficiency and productivity is so much greater. But so we're looking at a plan to take over all the rough mowing autonomous over the next 5 years. Um, and the equipment those are replacing are really heavy maintenance items that are getting worked on. Um, and they're getting replaced by very simple electric ones. So, actually the the net net of the maintenance and upkeep that goes into cutting rough will be substantially minimized um just by the nature of the autonomous equipment versus the mechanical equipment. Um, so it's something we're very comfortable with. We've talked with, you know, Henderson, Jason Henderson, who does all the mechanical work, and I think he's pretty excited by this plan. It's addressing the immediate needs, but um anytime you can take a a rough mower and replace it with basically an electric robot with just really fast spinning blades, um the maintenance drops substantially as far as the repair work and and upkeep needed on those units. But very good question. we wouldn't be looking at um adding a mechanic at this point per the necessity of this plan. One thing I'd like to add is the leasing part of the reason for leasing was cash flow. Um few years back the golf course numbers were down substantially. >> Oh, I know. [laughter] and and with the lease, it enabled them to update equipment without having to come up with a bunch of money, but it's definitely cheaper in the long run to own it rather than lease it. >> Yeah. >> And we've talked about it, hasn't been mentioned here tonight, but one of the reasons as I've talked to staff over my time here that they really leaned into that lease is just the nature and the makeup of the mayor and council. And if you're locked into a lease, you know, you're going to have that equipment and you're there is a little bit of risk here. I don't feel that and I I would absorb any of that potential risk because it's the right thing to do. But should our elected officials change where they no longer want to dedicate funds to buy a new mower that you need and then staff is really stuck with equipment that needs to be replaced. We're coming up and asking for it. And the answer might be no. And I think there was a period of time that that was a real risk. Um, so I could understand why previous golf course leadership would want to pursue a lease because once you sign that thing, you know, you're going to have that equipment for x amount of years. Um, like I said, I'm not I'm not worried about that risk and even if I was, this is the right thing to do financially for the facility and for the staff that I would be willing to take that on. But I think that also played into the decision to lease at that time too was just the the unknowns of if I come up and propose a piece of equipment, am I going to be able to get it? But uh that's why we're in golf carts. >> We're in a good place. >> We used to own them and then >> Yeah. Well, there was [snorts] >> cash flow was down and nobody wanted to spend money and end up leasing carts. >> Yeah. But I remember when we did though, it was it was at like the four or five year right when the battery we were gonna have to buy batteries for all of them. And plus everybody at the time that was when all the cool stuff was really starting to come onto the car. It's you know the the GPS and all that. And um everybody wanted that cuz they were getting that at every other golf course. And so for us to it was going to be a ton of money. >> Yeah. It's expensive. >> So it it was at that time it was cheaper. Um >> but we're probably going to be stuck with leasing golf carts for quite a while. I don't know how you going to get out of it. >> Yeah. It's something we'll evaluate as we get closer. I mean, we always look at it, you know, as far as financing a purchase versus, you know, rolling into a new lease. Um, the nice part getting back to the maintenance is it does, this gives us the flexibility. When you own, you've got lots of avenues to extend equipment, change strategy, potentially, you know, look at other options. You can be more nimble financially and operationally for the for the business as opposed to a lease. So, um, we're really excited about it. Again, this is a big credit to Jason. I don't even want to admit how many hours he and I have talked about this plan and he's put in, uh, behind the scenes. >> Josh, what have our lease lengths been? Have they been five? >> Typically, five. Yep. >> Right. So, I think one of the risks with that is you sign a 5-year lease and you just talked about autonomous mowers. I was at the course two years ago, right, when you were demoing the little one. Look what happened in two years. >> Yes. went from a little one to a big one. And if you're stuck in a 5-year lease, >> you can't react to to the advancements of technology. So, >> yes. No, it's a great point and we're really excited to really kick the tires on it. We've seen other facilities that use it. Jason and I have gone to a field, Dave, with a different company. But even the fuel I mean the fuel aspect of it just back of the m napkin you know if we look at a zone being taken over on our golf course say everything south of the clubhouse you know whole 7 8 9 our driving range um you know if one unit that can do about 20 21 acres um can replace that the labor and the fuel that goes on is about $10,000 a year for that zone. So, you're looking at a four-year ROI on savings at a $40,000 unit. Um, now there'll be some efficiencies gained as it gets scaled out over the the total facility and some other things. And, you know, we'll probably deal with some GPS mapping quirks and still have some rough mowing to do with different units on slopes and things like that. But, you know, there are many opportunities in our line of work where we can make an investment in something that is going to pay itself off in four or five years. And um that's something that we're excited about for the long term of of the facility. And um not being in a lease gives us that leverage to to kind of make those decisions. So >> how does that work with the autonomous mowers? Do they is there a charge for them to come out and kind of you know to program it to learn the course? I mean, how do you is that just do they help us with that? Do they for that? >> Yep. Yeah, we've done um we've already done a Zoom call with kind of and I I don't know if Jason, have you got your hands on the actual mapping of it yet? I know what they were going to >> they did let me into the map and they basically did a preliminary one. However, when you purchase it, they will come out and map for you. It is included in your purchase price to to work on mapping. Plus, we have the ability to remap once we do that. And as Josh and I have talked about, there's the most valuable thing you can do is spend time on that map because there's areas that may only need to be mowed once a week and some that might be three times a week. So the the quality of product that you'll have with one of these as well just increases because you're consistently mowing where you need to be mowing more than once a week. So to Josh's point, some of these tractors and things are high dollar purchase prices and we can only get around once a week. Well, from Monday to the next Monday, some of that grass is going to be that long versus autonomous mowers are going to go through multiple times. [clears throat] >> How are those mowers going to handle golf balls? >> So, at rough cut, it'll go right over them. >> Doesn't go right over. [laughter] It scares the hell out of me. >> On the demo that we had out, I did try throwing one directly in front of it. It went right over because the balls sitting down and the cutting units are sitting up at that 2 and 12 in. And to Josh's point, they're a disc with five. And that is all all that mechanical is for those cutting units. And it went right over it. It kind of shifted the ball just the did not did not affect it. Height was a little bit different. >> So if there's >> Yeah. [laughter] >> How does how do they handle obstructions? >> They have cameras on. [clears throat] >> So if like a stick falls or Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. They'll abort the path, work around it. >> How big are they? >> These are 40inch decks that we're looking at, right? >> 24. >> 24. >> I think you have the cost. Oh, as for Yeah, you have 24. >> So, the one that we demoed previously was 18 in. And this one that we're looking at demoing on Thursday, which if anyone wants to see it, come on out. Glad to show it to you. But, uh, it's 24 in. They added a third one, but the biggest improvement is this thing moves at twice the speed. 2 and a2 miles hour. This is four and a half. and it um is actually metal tube. So, one of my fears that Josh and I have been talking about is what happens if someone runs into it where now metal unit is going to stand up to a little bit more use on the course. >> Are they going to be something somebody can pick up and steal? >> As soon as it gets lifted up, it alerts the app and shuts down. So if it just locks the machine so it cannot be offsite and that GPS is still active so you could follow it to wherever it's taken >> to Rick's house. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Programmed into it. >> You're going to hack it. You're going to hack that system. [clears throat] >> Yep. I am. >> Do you house them inside at night or do they run all night? >> They run 247. >> Okay. That's crazy. So I should tell Erin he's probably out of a summer job then. [laughter] >> Just kidding. B. >> Good questions. Anything else on that? And if not, um, thanks for allowing me to touch on that first. Um, because as we get into the operations, you'll see some some impacts of that. So, let's jump right to page one of the operational budget. Um, finance always does a really nice job with kind of some visuals of, you know, how we've charted over the years. Um, different trends. Um, we're we're doing really well. I'm super proud of the team there and the business that we've been able to sustain and build. And, uh, we continue to, um, outperform the previous years. this uh year that we're in is on track to do so and we have expectations that we're going to continue to climb as long as we can. Um [snorts] so starting with the operations budget on revenues. So this is um going to be we'll start with line 23. Um, so one of the the differences in this budget from the many years that you know, uh, Mike and and Rick, you've seen many of these presentations. Um, we are very typically very conservatively budgeted. Um, we've eliminated the levy. Um, we've kind of had a history of fairly neutral budgets. We did budget for a profit this year of, I believe, 50,000 45,000. Um, so a lot of the changes you'll see on revenue initially are going to be more representative of how we're pacing and a little bit more aggressive um to where we would expect to end this year. Um, so I mean burying the lead at the end of this thing, you know, we're projecting $140,000 in net income at the end of the budget. Um, which is, you know, more than what we've normally showed. It's not necessarily nor more than what we've ended up making. Um but it's just a little bit of a shift in the budget philosophy of being very conservative and outperforming and showing that work. Um this one shows a little bit more on the front end where we're being a little bit more bullish on what our expected um net is and uh still with the hope and and the uh [snorts] intentions of of meeting or even exceeding that. So, as you look at seasonal user fees, um, you know, that's our, you know, line 23, that's just basically our membership. That's not golf cart or range. We'll get into those ones, but you can kind of see where we've paced over the years. We did 254,024, uh, 238,25. We budgeted for 240, but, you know, we made some changes this year in how we marketed those. We did some price increases, and right now we're at 310,000. So, we're budgeting that for 305, but I mean, that's a $65,000 revenue projection increase uh year-over-year, and that's going to be a story that flows through the revenue categories as we get into golf carts and range and things like that. Um, so same with daily user fees. They're really a product of our pacing. Um, there's a little bit of a risk. I mean, if uh if we knew exactly when um a lot of these numbers are kind of tracking at where we're forecasting the rest of this year to go, you know, if for those of you on budget and finance that see the forecast matrix, you know, we're projecting at like a little bit over 3.5 million. This doesn't quite reach that because as you know me, I am conservative on it. And if somebody could tell me when it's going to snow this fall, I'd have a little bit more confidence as to where we're going to finish the year. But um I haven't met anybody who's been able to tell me that specifically yet. Um so we are looking at uh we'll just keep continue on. Um on the expense side line 52 on just kind of the com combination of uh total personnel services. So these are wage increases the 15% that they're allocating for insurance increases. Um, so just in the golf department, we're looking at a $16,000 increase year-over-year. I'll save you the math. If you go through personal services of all the departments that have those, um, that's an increase in our expenses of 129,000 annually. And that is not different from year-over-year. So if you probably wound back the clock 8 years ago when I started, I'm guessing the cost of our labor, insurance, all the personnel services, the facility is probably increased just shy of a million dollars. So when we go through this, we've grown revenue a ton, which is awesome. Revenue cures cures all ills. But when you click click up with, you know, increases in personnel services of over six figures annually, um it makes that profitability that much more difficult to achieve. So, um, the fact that we're still on that pace where we last year had our best year ever. We anticipate beating that this year, um, I think is a really big credit to the team and the business and the facility and how beautiful it is and how much people enjoy playing it. Josh, one one question going back to the uh column T, the 2026 yearto date amount. In your estimation, how I mean, how much of the playing season are we through, >> right? We're not obviously we're not going to pick up memberships now, but >> typically when we do this budget cycle and because of kind of the lease versus buy, we pushed it a little bit later. we would have had this conversation already and we typically have June numbers locked in which is the perfect bell curve of the midpoint of the season. Okay, you know, you got 6 months with the winter shoulder season through June and then you got July, August, September. So, you get kind of that perfect midpoint. Sitting here today, we're kind of coming down that a little bit. Um, but as a percentage of expected revenue, I'd probably feel that we're probably about 65 to 70% through that. >> Um, but again, a great fall season and a late snow can make a world of difference. >> I get it. Yeah, I was just curious. Thank you. [snorts] >> So, we'll flip to the next page. [clears throat] So, I'm really just identifying major year-over-year variances that you'd see in that increase decrease column. Um, contracted services on line 66. Um, this is just uh so facility cleaning will be noted at another contract services on the food and beverage side because that is allocated seasonally. U, we have that that expense every month, but some months it's coded into golf, some months and it's pretty much an even split. So, both of those do share that increase, but contracted services just incorporates a lot of different expenses in it. And really, we're just trying to stay up to date where we're not underbudgeting those lines. [snorts] Uh, credit card fees on line 68, we're showing a $5,000 increase. Um, we've had some changes in how our credit card fees are, our capabilities of our system are. Um, for instance, we have um debit cards now um do not have a 3% fee. It's just the credit cards. Uh up until a couple months ago, our system it didn't it couldn't recognize the difference between those cards. So if you wanted to have a fee on it, it was hitting both debit cards. Um that's changed a little bit. Um as well as any tipped transaction, it you views the system views that as a card not present. So we do pay a higher fee. Um so we wanted to make sure that we were capturing some expense budget on that. So we're putting $10,000 in that. That used to be >> you have a card. It still treats it as a card not present and it built it charges the rate of a card not present >> on the tipped uh on the tipped amount. The tip adjustment. >> That's not right. >> It's a goofy system in that respect. It's got some it's got some quirks to it and it's just >> you're not swiping it a second time is why you're adding the charge after you've swiped it. >> So for the tipped amount, the tip adjustment after >> is that why it shows us two different transactions on my checking account. Yeah, >> it's exactly is it like like when you use your phone or your watch that's a card not present because you don't have a physical [clears throat] youth will pay with. >> So if you use your phone if you use a debit card on your phone it comes through as a credit card. Is that what you're saying? >> Uh it would come back come through whatever it was >> as far as the charge goes. But the way the the credit card processor charges the the fees to us, the transaction fees, it views it as a card not present, which we pay a higher rate of. >> Is it the the payment processor that enforces that or is it our software's inefficiency that >> it's the processor? Well, they're the same. I mean, >> well, four using your phone to pay, your card is not present. >> Correct. But I'm talking about the tipping part. >> Yeah. If I if I use my card and my physical card is there and I tip >> 10 bucks, [clears throat] >> um, >> is it is it the four up soft, you know, is it the software that's sending it through as a card not present transaction or is it the processor that's saying the card is not present and it has to be enforced that way. I guess >> it's the main importance is it's the processor. Um, so we changed from uh Stripe to Forup Payments as far as our our processing. Um it's uh Odin is the the the financial workhorse, but it's basically in-house processing now from Fora, but it is a an offshoot company. Um so they they do >> they're under the same umbrella, but they're different entities. Um but yeah, it is it's an unfortunate aspect of that. So that tipped amount that's getting adjusted is viewed as a card not present. Um, you know, before we instituted the 3% fee, our our credit card processing expense was almost 90,000. We're budgeting 10,000. So, you know, that's that's real real money that we've been able to save. And as you're all consumers elsewhere, I'm sure too, it's pretty uh common place nowadays. >> Um, number 77, utilities line 77, we got a $6,000 increase. we are being good stewards and paying for our water. And that is just kind of keeping up with where we're pacing. Um, that kind of takes it for page three as far as any big variances of of note. Getting into maintenance. Um, so personnel services and maintenance is increasing 41,000 as a total as a group. Um people are getting married and having kids and stuff like that in that department. So that's money well spent. Um nothing substantial in supplies. Uh got us a few small increases on line 139, 140, and 151. Um is the cost of everything is just getting a little bit more expensive. We want to make sure that we're equipping that vital department with what they need. Um, and here's the big one that I wanted to preface with the lease versus buy line 144 lease expense. So, 76,000 that had lived in our operating budget is now in the CIP. >> Um, and when we get to the CIP, we'll talk about the the bio, but they'll be well, it's actually the next one. So, with that said, we've had good conversation with finance and with Greg as to how to recognize that differently. Um, it's certainly not a shell game. the reason why we're going from a lease to uh an owned. So I you know I think this equipment generally should be capital equipment. If if [snorts] public works is coming to you for a new truck, it's capital. It's not out of there, you know. So this is all in what I would view as as capital. The change is it always lived on our operating budget. Um so that 76,000 expense is now going into being factored into our capital. Um with that said, there was talk of having a recognition of this swing. So you'll see in this budget on line 158 is a $30,000 operational transfer as a line item in our ops to fund the CIP. >> Mhm. >> So in this net $140,000 profitable budget. um that does in incorporate 76,000 getting removed and then 30,000 being transferred out to to recognize the capital um aspect of that. So without that it's actually $170,000 profitable budget. But um that was the big impact there. U getting into golf carts on the next page. Uh again, you'll see kind of you got the revenue section on line 169, daily user fees. Um this is just uh increasing revenue based on our pacing. Um personnel services on line 190. So the golf cart staff, that's an increase to 10,691. Not really any else thing of note on that page. >> [snorts] >> driving range. Uh you'll see the revenues associated with the driving range on line 226,7 and 8. Just forecasting some increased revenue there based on pacing and uh what we hope to achieve there. Not really anything else of note on that page as well before we get into the golf shop. on the subsequent page. So, under ProShop revenues, uh you'll see an increase uh in merchandise sales on 278. Last year, we did $172,000 in merchandise sales. Uh we had budgeted 150, now we're at 172. So, it really is on track um with what we've realized. And then on the expense side of that, so line 291, merchandise for resale, you'll see a $19,000 increase in that cost. And that's just percentage based um as a weighted average between clothing, equipment, balls, all the things we sell in the shop. Um we're hoping to achieve a 75% cost of goods. So that number is just strictly based on our forecasted sales and that 75% cost of goods. Moving on to food and beverage on the next page. >> Josh, can we go back to that real quick? >> Sure. >> Where are we at with what are people paying for their stuff when they work there? >> So, >> open that can of worms. >> Yeah. No, that's fine. Um, so right now we our staff gets uh per our wellness policy and we've had lots of conversation internally. Um the only thing we are discounting for staff would be the wellness aspect. So that's equipment. Um and we used to have clothing. There was a conversation on that. So staff unless there's a sale that's available to everybody, which if you go in our shop, we always have sales. Um you know, our business is turning over um merchandise and making sure that we clear it out the best we can. Um but there isn't any current discount on clothing or apparel for staff. Um so if they ever >> restaurant, what is that? Uh if you're working, you get 50% off your meal and then free fountain soda if you're working. Those are the extent of the discounts. Um obviously if you work 16 hours or more, you get complimentary golf, those things. But as far as the things that are really tied to a true cost, um you know, we want to make sure that we're never selling anything um underneath what we've paid to secure it. Um that's kind of the guiding light. Uh there used to be discounts for merchandise and I'll tell you I mean right now year to date we're at 117,000 on merchandise 16,000 um I think we went through an exercise years ago where it was kind of isolated what the staff spending and the discounts associated were with over the course of the year. Our staff loves that place and they probably spend about $20,000 dollars a year on apparel and things like that. So net net I know not having a discount for staff actually costs us money and costs us sales. Um but I understand we are a municipality and there's certain regulations we need to follow and we don't want to put anybody in a bad position. So at the end of the day if um [snorts] if a pro shop person can't get a discount on a shirt or buy some Christmas gifts for you know mom and dad at a discount we can understand that. Um, so but that's currently where we're living. >> Has has G reviewed that yearly? I just think if someone's working there, that's Well, the problem is it's a mun it's a municipal operation [clears throat] and you're dealing with technically tax dollars. >> We It's, forgive me, it was probably this spring. It was pretty early. We did review as a golf committee the the wellness policy and I believe where we landed per your guys's recommendation is you'd like to see I think well Robin I think you went as far as any city employee should get a 20% discount uh or 15 or 20 I can't remember I could look at the notes >> anything that carries logo or name recognition and and that would be citywide any city employee operationally we wouldn't Yeah. Phil, >> we look at it not as a wellness policy but as a recruitment and retention policy for employees. So it' be separate from the wellness and that's where we were stuck because that's all right. So here's my question. I'll throw it out. I get elected as mayor. I come in one day and I got a city of Becker jacket. >> Why is that okay? Why is it not okay to give staff a discount, I guess, would be my question. And maybe that's for another day, but I would I would really like that looked at because I don't know, it seems like >> the city attorney is opineing that there's no statutory authority for the city to provide those discounts to public employees and it's it's the way it is. >> So, how'd I get a jacket? >> You pay the going rate. You don't get a discount. >> No. How did I get a jacket? >> I don't know. talking about the the catalog that >> yeah I didn't pay >> that city of Becker. >> Yeah. One item I believe and then anything beyond that we pay for like one item ever. Not like one a year or one. >> But even that 2017 shirt right now >> the ability to go through that catalog, you get the one but you could purchase more at cost, right? Well, the difference with us is we could do that too, but we're not passing anything at cost. we're marking it up >> double its cost, its price, and then discounting slightly. So, actually, there's more. There's profit in there. And that's where when like Robin was mentioning, you know, opening it up to all city, I'm like, I would be thrilled with that because granted, we might make $50 on a $50 shirt, buy a shirt for 50, sell it for 100, but even if we got 80 for that shirt from staff, that's still 30% that we're getting. And it's real money into our budget. It's real money into our financials. So, it's the hurdles of of that. But, you know, I think that's the difference between that catalog is yeah, you you're ordering from that catalog basically at cost. We're getting it our stuff at cost, marking it up, keying it, and then slightly discounting it. But, >> remind me of Remind me when we had the this might have been when you very first started. when we had the policy, wasn't it like 5% over or wasn't it some just like cost and then a small markup [cough] beyond that? >> Well, I can tell you cuz we've done the research. Um Ian has called every municipal golf course in the state and asked for what their their pricing policy is. The majority of them go cost plus 10% on anything. So, cities of St. Paul, Minneapolis, much larger than us, often with many golf courses under their mun municipality. They have a much more liberal pricing structure for their staff than we do. We don't know the answer as to are they just kind of playing loose with it? Do they have a different interpretation from what we're being told? But we are the outlier. We're probably the most strict discount policy for staff of any municipal golf course in Minnesota. And I know that because we've done that. We've done we've looked at it. The why and the element of risk I can't speak to. >> Sure. >> But I would add to that. So I took >> Yeah. >> So I took Ian's list and I called around and my question to them, you know, we've been under a microscope. We have the state auditor has a report. You can go out and read it. It talks about the discounts and things. My question to them was, I see you have this policy where you're discounting goods. Could you provide me the statutory authority or what you're leaning on to justify this is okay? And I met with, we don't have any. We just do this because we want to. >> And until they're until the state auditor comes in and slaps their hand or reviews their policy, they'll they'll do it. Um, but I would I I was hopeful when Ian provided this the list of I would love to call them and I would love to say, "Hey, look at this fact sheet. this is how we are justifying our discount on this merchandise and I would say awesome let's let's do it but that's where we're a little bit I I we can look into it more and bring back some of the statuto authority and some of the guidance but that's where you know they are much more liberal with it but um I think we're we're on the conservative side but we also see the need to um you know based on your guidance to let's see where there's that gray area where it is up for interpretation the Biden says acts let's let's live in this area where council feels comfortable where it's within a policy that we can uh justify and feel comfortable um moving forward. So don't want to jump in but that was some of the that was some of the guidance from how we are different from some of the other golf courses. >> So our legal probably gave us the right they gave us the right thing. They just the these other cities are just going >> like that. they're a little more willing to kind to to live in that gray area more. We can bring more of that statutory guidance to you and and we can discuss what that looks like. >> I can't believe that we're the only municipality that's been looked at. If they saw it here, why wouldn't they look for it everywhere else? >> Well, they don't they go they don't go proactively usually to play. They get >> Well, I mean, but it's >> it's going to roll around eventually, right? >> Yeah. >> But it's a great question like, you know, retention, you know, all those pieces. It checks more boxes. So if there is some interpretation that we can we can bring and discuss and talk about what that policy looks like. >> Make sure if you get a DUI, go like this and cover up the logo. [laughter] >> We've had part of it in taxability, you know, since >> Yeah. Well, I was I was even thinking community center stuff, right? I worked there 30 years ago, right? And there were shirts with community center logos. Ry's done a good job now with the Snuffy's landing stuff, there's a lot more stuff. So, [cough] I mean, if I go in there and someone's working and they have a or Snuffy shirt on and I and I don't know what Snuffies, what's that? Right? It's just a um it's kind of like when you see employees eating the food at a place, you're like, "That's a good sign." Right? If the people that work there don't eat the food, you're like, >> you see a bunch of bag lunches. >> Yeah. [laughter] If the cook comes out and he's Yeah. he's eating a bag lunch. You're going, "Hm." Right. So, it's >> it's just a pride thing. So, just just curious if it can be [snorts] looked at and if there's what we can do. >> Well, and [snorts] your I mean, your predecessor, I mean, there was there was a different set of rules, we'll just say. Um, so, you know, maybe why there was a you know, why it was such a hard-handed, you know, revert the other way. I mean, it was >> there were different rules back then. Y >> so um you know >> yeah I mean even on the hard good side of things you know if somebody buys a driver at a discount because that is under a wellness policy at a discount as an onboarding everybody signs the wellness policy and on there I think you came up with the idea to add it was you're not allowed to sell anything you purchase under this discount for more than what you purchased it for and I think that was addressing a previous previous issue. Yep. >> So yeah good conversation. Um, so let's jump to food and beverage. >> Let's see. >> Too soon. [clears throat] Um, so line 322 simulator fee as it's in the restaurant and staffed by our food and beverage staff. Um, just taking that revenue down slightly. Uh, we ended up at 54,000 in 2025. I put that budgeted number at 52,000 instead of 62,000. uh more and more simulators are being added in garages and it does have a little bit of a diminishing effect but man has been a really good move for um for the facility to kind of create that revenue stream. Um liquor sales, uh beer sales, wine sales, food sales, um gambling rent, you can kind of see all those uh based on pacing. Uh beer is well canned cocktails get coded into beer as a sale. So all like the neutrals and the carblesses and the things that are super popular. Uh liquor drinkers are transitioning to those, but those fall under beer. So, you know, we're pacing. I think as of today, I looked at it, we're up about 37,000 year-over-year in beer sales. Um so we're showing an increase there. Um generally speaking, year-over-year, we're pacing very nicely in food and beverage. Um so we're um kind of rep representing that here. Gambling rent also has been a very successful climb um as we outpace each year with the addition of the pull tab booth and things like that um have been really beneficial. Bingo, things like that. Um personnel services for food and beverage is a 60,000 60,900 yearoveryear increase in our budget. Um and then really on line 362 through 367, that's the cost of goods components. Again, those are just percentage based. Um, I have actually increased the percentages um on this year's budget to be more realistic with how we've um uh we've finished the year and we've performed. We still have every intention when we write a menu to outperform those percentages. Um, but this is a real recognition based on our year-end inventory versus our sales and inventory on hand. Um, that's what our margins are. So, uh, should be do able to do anything but improve on those numbers and not go the other way. >> Is that John Taffer approved then? >> Yes, he would. He if you don't know your numbers, you don't know your business. Yep. Um, so that takes us really through, you know, the rest of the expense side on other services and charges. There's some minor swings. Um, but on really the last page where it's all rolled up where they've kind of got that boxed in 26 budget versus 27 budget when it's all said and done based on the changes we've made and the the philosophy of the budget. Um, you can see on well it' be column S at the very bottom that's using our forecast that we use for bud budget and finance. So, right now based on that, and it might actually be a little bit better because we had a really good July. Um, but this is uh through June's forecast, I believe, and it's 100 we're projected to end this year at $168,000 in net income. And this budget that we're going through right now is $140,100 projected net income. Any questions on the operating budget? >> I'm glad to see that we uh we've started to move the started move into funding the capital too. That's um you know you wouldn't be able to do it obviously at one time but it's nice to see us moving in that direction. >> Yeah. I mean, at the end of that budget, if you look at our year projected year-end balance, I think, you know, if we do finish 26 in the way that it's been forecasted at that 168,000 net income, I believe that puts our ending balance right around 680,000 in Pebble Creek's bank account. um if next year at 140 plays out now we're at 850,000 before we maybe the dog catches the car we get this fund over a million and you know as we do have more challenges because of just the rising costs of operating it gives us a nice buffer to try to make some decisions on how we can sustain that for beyond my time you know so >> well and as noted as noted too um you from from budget and finance, we know that uh you know, we'd be potentially looking at a bonding project next year, you know, for the for wastewater. So, um they look at the city as a whole, including the golf course. And one of the things we paid a lower or pay, you know, had a slightly worse rating last time was because we didn't have a a huge chunk of savings in in the golf course. And so, we would now have that. So, this would affect just beyond the golf course. this could potentially affect our our bond rating for um the wastewater project. So >> that's lovely to hear. That's what um >> so Josh a question that the 30,000 that's funding capital was that commenurate with an increase in capital or was that did the capital stay >> um as >> out outside of the the transfer piece? Right. >> Yeah. No. So, the lease versus buy decision we kind of retweaked just just make sure we could accommodate um because the first year as we'll get into 2027 on the capital includes buying out all of our leased equipment. Um we we'll touch on that, but basically we're able to accomplish this buy plan in a way that doesn't change the year-over-year capital levy. It's not incremental. Um maybe on the back end as we get into some longer you know 10 15 years there's maybe some increases on that you know that annual allocation. Um but because of the 70,000 or actually way more to buy this equipment out and add in it's not actually increasing um our capital levy. So in theory, our capital levy is going down because we're funding part of it with operations >> over. >> So it it does it does help keep us positive. So, if you're if you switch to the CIP form and you look at column H, um if the plan is it's presented with 10,000 to irrigation, 237,000 on line 27 to uh to do the the equipment, get that ball rolling on it, and the flooring project. Um the the 30,000 transfer actually does have the benefit of keeping us uh from going negative. Doing the math, we probably wouldn't have gone negative. We would have been about 3 or 4 thousand from it. Um but uh it it is it is different. You're no problem in calling that out. Um this is the first time in my time that we've transferred from operations uh to fund capital. Um, but it is a unique circumstance also because we are taking a $76,000 previous operating lease expense and now capitalizing it. So, >> right, and maybe I'm asking my question wrong. So, personally, I've always viewed the capital piece to the golf course as a similar to a park, right? Because our our we have a huge segment of our population that uses that as a park. So are we is this a shift in philosophy as to what we're earmarking for capital like is is the expectation next year I mean we're never going to fund the capital you know what what >> respectfully I I wouldn't be able to probably articulate that appropriately. I'd welcome Greg or Mark or anybody else to maybe speak. I don't know if this would be an ongoing thing. We've had some conversation about it. I don't know that anything's been firmly landed on from my perspective, but um I'd prefer somebody else maybe. >> Yeah, this just shows for being done in 27. There are going to be some changes to the CIP in out years as well, so it'll be evaluated, but for now, it just shows being next year 30,000. >> Okay. [snorts] >> I mean, it's the 250, right? >> That's on top of the 250. We're still leving 250 a year. 250 a year uh for capital >> in the golf course. >> That's what I was wondering. >> Yep. That does that doesn't change. >> Okay. That's that's what I was looking at. >> Okay. >> I mean, it's sitting here I have I haven't been at this table as long as all you, but sitting here 20 years ago to talk about the fact we're turning a profit and transferring money into a CIP. Um good lord, >> 10 years ago. I mean, it's it's >> shocking in the in the most awesome possible way. So, >> Well, thank you. [laughter] >> No, it it I know we all feel the same way. We know the journey it's been. Um, from a $296,000 operating levy when I started to where we are now. Um, it's a big credit to our staff. It's a big credit to our market and all of you guys that have allowed us to invest in the facility and pull the right levers to do that. So, I mean, it's it's a holistic from finance to leadership and everything that has allowed us to do that. So, >> no, and I'm just saying that because I've always been able to very easily justify that levy that we've done for that piece because there's things in the city. If that golf course isn't there, we don't have the houses we have that are paying the taxes. And it's >> it it's, you know, it's taken so much bad press in the past and people want to knock it so bad. Um, >> well, I'll take it back to when Sho was built or in NSP at the time. >> Uh, population of Becker did not grow and they were here for 20 years and the population went up maybe 50 people. We built the golf course and the population exploded overnight. >> Yeah. >> Well, and it's caring for an amenity. I mean >> that that's that's the point I'm trying to get at. >> So that's that was the reason for the question. I'm not saying it was right or wrong. I was just >> curious what it >> to that point. My view of it is sure we are a golf course but the city owns a golf course and that is a very expensive capital heavy uh cost of doing business to own and operate a golf course. Um, so when I look at this capital levy, I think it's completely right to fund it in the same way that you would fund any other department of necessity within the city because it's where we are, you know, it's uh it does drive a lot of benefit to lots of areas of our community fundraising and such. But >> I think when we uh years ago when we looked at the different options for the golf course, I mean the numbers we got from the county were the houses along the course were 25 to 40% higher value because of their placement on a golf course. You take them off a golf course, their value goes down roughly that amount. >> And we said, what if you flip it to a park, >> they go down the same same amount. So it's specifically that it's on a golf course that they go up to 25 to 40%. And what does that mean to us? It means more property tax, >> right? >> Well, that'd be a big ass park to take care of. >> Oh, yeah. 140 [laughter] acres on one side. >> No moss. We don't >> need more autonomous mowers. >> Yeah. 300 acres of park. [laughter] >> Well, and it was on and it could only be used as a park, too, because for the most part, because there's a lot of infrastructure that runs. >> Yeah. >> We never built it to >> think, you know, if you were gonna Yeah. If you're going to tear it up, you'd put all your infrastructure on the outside. Uh, isn't there a storm sewer going through the local line? >> Mhm. >> Yeah, there was ones running right up the gut. I mean, it was >> you'd have easements all over the place if you were to divide that up, but it was >> Yeah, let's not. [laughter] >> No, thanks for the comments and the insights. Um, uh, I think we can make fairly quick work of this. So, in 2027, um, you'll see just on line 16, irrigation system upgrades. uh that used to be at a little bit higher um more sporadic funding. Uh but really what we look is we've got an aging irrigation system. Um the pallet to do a whole sale replacement is not something I would um come up in front of you and ask for. It'd be a really big conversation around, you know, $3 million. But what we do is um >> Jason's really thrifty in this way is finding opportunities to take other courses that are going through these projects. um looking for opportunities to buy their old heads, break them apart, keep the solenoids, the components. So when we have to repair um instead of paying, you know, $60 for a solenoid, we've got $5 into it. So um there's also an opportunity buy usually every spring through our vendor where you can buy three and you get a one for free. So that's usually how we're spending and allocating that money. But we have made a lot of upgrades uh to our uh to our irrigation and by way of controllers, um computer software, uh two-way connectivity, things like that. Um the big one is the equipment replacement plan. And the narrative you've got, it's that it's that word document that'll take you yearbyear of that plan. um that >> and it's kind of it's a play-by-play analysis of what that equipment is what's being added. But the major portion of uh 2027 is we're buying out our every piece of our existing leased equipment uh for about 110,000 112,000. Um Jason's done a great job. there was a transition in um the ownership of that lease over the last year years and he's held them to account where they're executing in the way that we expect them to. So actually the equipment that we're buying and the cost of that 112 that equipment is more valuable to us than that. We could sell some of that equipment, trade some of that equipment actually at a profit at that. So um and then obviously we'll utilize a lot of that equipment. Um we do have uh in the plan on here to uh purchase two new Triplex mowers. Those are the heart of our golf course. Um and then obviously the incorporation. This is something we've talked at golf committee and it's it's going to come this year. Um but we want to get the ball rolling on the autonomous. So, what we're going to come to golf, well, we've talked with golf committee, but what we're going to come and ask is to overexpend our operating budget this year by $40,000 to introduce one of these pieces of equipment. So, that will net down our year-end profitability, you know, if if you guys support it. Uh, but again, it's starting the clock on that ROI process immediately and and giving us the confidence to continue this plan and know that it's going to work in the way we want. Um, so that is between the lease buyout and then the new equipment detailed on the narrative. That gets us to a $237,000 um equipment replacement plan expense in 27. The clubhouse flooring in for 60,000 plan is to address the kitchen. We've got aged cracked tile in our kitchen original to the building. Um, we want to replace that flooring, carry that through the hallway by the the bathrooms. All of our food gets ran from a kitchen a long distance, and there's no carpet in the world that is going to be able to keep from getting gummed up um just from the nature of that activity. So, we're going to tile that, put some sort of flooring um and then just based on rugs that we can turn out with Cintas um to keep that. Um, so we're going to just take that that those funds as far as we can this year, but the kitchen really needs to be addressed. It'll be a monster. It'll be a closure. Um, you can imagine moving all the equipment to achieve that. But if you've been in the community centers kitchen with the nice epoxy with grit, uh, single pore, um, that is the way a lot of kitchens are going. It's a really nice surfacing. So, we're going to start that exploration process. Um, but that's something that gets called out on health with crack tiles and things like that. So, >> it's very sticky at the top of the steps. >> Yes, that's the >> very sticky. >> So, all that we will have tiled tiled or or >> impervious flooring. >> Yeah, >> that's the plan cuz it there's no winning against that. >> Um, [laughter] >> nobody's slipping at least. >> No, you might lose a shoe. >> We've tried to bust that up with our floor, you know, floor scrubbers and clean. There's just there's no defeating it. Um, [laughter] yep. U, so that takes care of the 2027 portion. Um, part of this plan in making room for that equipment buy is we did push the local nine cart path replacement project into 2028. We did increase that from 100 120,000 to 140 with just the expectation of some cost increases. Um, however, I think there's a lot of synergy as 2028 is when the streets project's going to come from Edgewood towards 10 with pathwork that does intertwine with some of the local 9 path work. Um, so just kind of getting into that once addressing the tunnel, things like that. The tunnel is a is a component that's not stated on here. Um, it's kind of something we're evaluating that will be is at this time next year when we're talking about 28 CIP. Um, will probably be a new component to it. um that'll kind of uh ripple through the plan. Um but we do have some deteriorating block work. The tunnel itself, we've been told by uh the county that is structurally sound. Um but we've just got some of the retaining aspects of the block work that needs to be addressed. We don't know exactly the right way to approach that. That's why there isn't really a dollar amount at this juncture. >> Well, that'd be the time to do when they're tearing up the road. >> Yes. So, that's when we will look to have a good revised plan. How much can be done in-house? what's the true cost of that um this time next year when we're talking about 28 [snorts] um so yeah continued irrigation system at the 10,000 a lighter year with the equipment replacement of 58 again if you want to read about the nuts and bolts of it uh that'll give you that information and then in 29 continued irrigation at 10,000 126 for the equipment replacement and uh looking at 50,000 for the maintenance roof, our dry storage where the equipment is, not where the shop, the heated bays are, and the offices that doesn't leak, but we do um have some work to do on that building likely at that time. Um and then some walk-in cooler and uh continued clubhouse updates in 29 for 25,000 and 20,000 respectively. Um but you can look as you look at the ending balance on line 71 as we kind of work our way out of this plan or I'm sorry at uh line 76 um we do start to accumulate you know some nice year-end balances under this plan of um in 2030 124,000 then 161 202 322 336. So if we do identify new needs you know we can slot them in in a way that we're not going negative in this fund. Um >> question you mentioned roof leak. >> Didn't we do roof repair a few years ago? >> We reskin that fertilizer sh a few years ago and the original garage that was on that property in the >> No, that one but the the maintenance building that I thought we did something with the roof on that a few years ago. We have not we have not addressed >> kind of been before your time. >> Yep. Yeah. It's not terrible. We you know you could speak to it. We get you know when snow is melting off of it you'll get some dripping. You know it's just where the cold storage is where the equipment >> right. No I understand that but I remember walking in there and I don't know if it was Jason or predecessor that well it had to be Jason >> we have not worked that group. We've had it on our list and kind of bumped it for >> Okay. >> opportunity purchases over the years, but we have not address that. >> Yeah. I remember talking about it anyway. >> Yep. >> It it has been in the discussion for years and just is to Josh's point there are ultimately they missed some of the studs when they were putting that roof on and we did all those ples. Yeah. >> Some of the carts out for us. >> How nice. >> So, that's kind of as far as we'll take you through this at the po at this point, but um yeah, thanks for indulging us with all the the good questions and happy to answer any others that you have. >> Other questions for Josh? >> I don't think so. No, I needed bro at the meeting. >> This this sheet that I didn't get into, Jason developed it. This is that equipment replacement blue line. >> That's what goes into it. So, the narrative is great. This is great, too, because it tells you what's going to happen with that equipment as it ages, where it gets moved and utilized. >> And uh really good work. >> 27 shows already owned. says already. [snorts] >> So I'd imagine probably in a year you right now it's one item or one line on the CIP. I would imagine everything once we do own it, we've actually done that, we would fatten up that CIP then and those will go into individual items. >> It might always live with the secondary sheet. The Pebble Creek CIP might have this equipment, the green greenish spreadsheet. I I think that's going to be just an addendum to our CIP because that really gets into the the age of each piece of equipment, its replacement date, um as opposed to just trying to expand, you know, the main sheet to incorporate incorporate all the assets. Um having the secondary sheet that Jason did that has every piece of equipment. Does that make sense? >> Yes, it does. I could envision district living a lot like our IT summary. So our IT summary is way long. What we could do instead of one line item in the capital instead of equipment replacement, we could include like the main category. So we could include, you know, greens maintenance, fairway maintenance. We we could break it out a little bit, but it's nice to have kind of less detail on the main one with a supplemental that has literally it's every single line item a lot more detail is necessary for >> So what's the difference between a mower that we bought previously, we bought a mower two years ago, let's just say, and it's it's on here on line 127 or whatever, and then now we have a new mower that we're going to take off a lease. We removed all the mower. We're gonna I I would say we would remove them off the main page and they would all live on the green. All the mowers that would fall under that equipment replacement would all move and live. We removed a lot of them. >> If some of them are carry over, there might be only like two or three pieces of equipment. And sorry, not >> you're you're spot on. >> There's a few of them on there that could also live over on the other. We may just have not made final adjustments, but all the equipment would live on that supplemental page. >> Okay. on our master CIP before this year, there were a number of there was tractors on there where there were grinders, there were maintenance equipments that were specifically called out on the CIP aside from the least items. Uh, but we've just removed those and condensed them into that one line item and then have them live on that secondary sheet. >> I like the secondary sheet. You can get more detailed I [snorts] mean without taking a lot of space on that. And of course, any of this CIP stuff that's included in that line is going to come before council for approval like any other capital purchase would be. >> Everything. >> Yeah. >> I don't see any mowers on here, right? >> Just the equipment. >> Mhm. >> And I know we've we have broken them apart separately before when we made different lists like kitchen equip. I know kitchen was kind of listed separate. We I mean we have I just >> it may make sense if you look at this you know for what we're going to include say the budget document maybe we break it into the five [snorts] or six buckets so that there's some you know when you look at the face of your main capital you can you can see what pieces you know what category of equipment will be replace each year. There could be some value. So we can we can work with that and what that looks like. All right. Any other questions for Josh? Anything to add? That was a lot. I didn't mean that you needed to. >> Yeah. >> No, thank you for your time. I appreciate it. >> Thanks, Josh. All right. So, I'll just uh wrap it up. Would open it up for any I guess questions for any of our presenters or just the budget in general. appreciate, you know, Brandy, Phil, Josh, Jason. I mean, just all the thoughtful um strategic [clears throat] efforts put into there. You know, thank Lori for all her efforts um in preparing a lot of the information um all the detailed information, all the all the good analytics and questions. Um next steps, um we do have January or um September 1st available. Um we won't bring prelim, we won't have uh market value information yet. Um we uh are still waiting on some of the healthc care pieces as well. Hopefully we're getting some healthcare information later in August here. Uh market value I think is slated. NSP has to finalize by September 5th. We would expect that sooner. I think last year it was kind of the last week of August, but kind of a quick turnaround for that September 1st. But if there was anything that council looked at it tonight and said we really want to touch on something on the first otherwise we would bring back any budget information on the first and we would bring back preliminary levy adoption for the 15th would be the strategy >> if NSP comes back at a big you know if if it's a big downturn we may then we might need to I mean if they you know if it comes back [clears throat] and you know we're thinking it's going to be one or two% of the good and it's 12% down or something I Yep. >> Then we have >> so currently [snorts] 15 I hate to even throw the number out there. So SMMP had they didn't file an appeal. Um they're they're um I guess if you look at it you got NSP with units one and two make up about 2/3 give or take a little bit less now that unit 2 decommission but about 2/3. And then the other third around 200 million is SMMP. SMMP went down about 3%. Um they did not appeal, they were finalized. Um if we looked at all the utilities together, we put them in the bucket and the information from the virtual room that went up >> 12 or 13%. So even with SMMP going down three, the total went up around 15. So that means currently the NSP bucket went up about 16. So I'm not projecting, not throwing it out there. What we've seen is decreases anywhere from 6 to 12%. Um so depending on how how that's negotiated, we should still see an increase in utilities. But um as soon as we know um that that would be the big liar. If you know outlier if all of a sudden somehow it went down and we had a decrease, we would have to we >> What did we use as our did we have a projection that we've used at all for a placeholder? >> Not necessarily. we're willing to discuss. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. There's so many variables within that. You know, we we were projecting some of the new values coming on with some of the apartments and there's there's like three or four baked in assumptions that um I' I sent an email to Bonnie and and Christie from the county, I think yesterday, asking like, "What do you have for preliminary numbers?" because they should be able to send me something for our other residential commercial and then I could back into it with taking some of the new virtual room but then we also have to bake in an assumption of where we thought NSP was going to land. Um, but I guess in the end it's it's a good sign. It's a >> 16% increase. Does that mean that some of the solar solar infrastructure that is actually in this the where it's actually going across city property and is tying in just the tie-in pieces that's actually increasing the value or why why would you increase the value 16% of Sho when one of the units retires? >> They have quite a quite a big number for their ads uh this year. So for added value like new construction, equipment. Um there's quite a big number and some of them are related to that infrastructure that new um and tying into the transmission. >> Mhm. >> Stations >> and then part of it is this >> part part of it is a calculation that they get they call it the like the aortioned market value that percentage changes. So based on the negotiations and this formula that they use that percentage changes. So last year I think some of the percentage were percentages were at like 46 47%. So they take market value times the percentage gets to your taxable value. Um this year some of those uh came out at like 52 to 55%. So they're saying more of the value is taxable. How they get to that aortion market value >> is within that black box that we are a little bit unsure of. So that's where a lot of times we see the negotiations that that a portion percentage that's taxable changes. That's how they get to that negotiated value. >> Will that affect theoretically affect our transition aid in the future then too if that if that [snorts] trend were to continue that their valuation was going up? >> Well, it it affects it just based on where the change in value would be. So if we keep increasing depending on what that change would be would have an impact. But >> any increase whether it's a Shero or whether it's a Northern Metal 2 or whatever. Yeah. >> Yeah. It definitely lends us to we're not going to qualify under the first unit because capacity keeps >> keeps driving upwards. So but it's a good sign. I mean initial initial is is good when we look at the tax rate. We didn't really want to bring the tax rate um now without any more defined or I guess refined numbers, but as soon as we get those uh we'll have um a good projection that will bring for the September 15th, you'll feel pretty good of where the the tax rates will be at that time. >> Mhm. [clears throat] Because those should be premature. Then all then all we're really dealing with is, you know, final adjustments that the countyy's going to make. A lot of times we'll take off, you know, 40 to 50,000 just to be conservative with some of the final bankruptcies, you know, additional adjustments that they make throughout the the final three, four months of the year. >> Lori, did you write that number down and hide it in your office somewhere? >> Yeah. Or is it? >> It's in a safe. >> I have a spreadsheet. >> All right. >> Cuz nobody will think to look there. [laughter] But in the end, I think the good number to look at is currently with all the information that we've covered, you know, through tonight, we're looking at a 2.41% increase in our overall tax levy. So, I think that's a good long as it doesn't start with nine or something, we'll have then we will need more chairs here like they need down at the county right now. >> Yeah. So, those would be next steps really. September 15th would be the next budget check-in. Um, barring any unforeseen changes in market value, but would be willing, you know, if something comes up, we we could circle back and bring something back um at the September 1st. >> When do we have to certify the preliminary again? >> September 30th. So, end of the month and we've done it before at the first meeting, September. Even now, the first meeting keeps getting earlier with the calendar. You know, next year it'll be a week in. So we may >> that's the preliminary. So that can change. It can go down. It can't go down. Yeah. >> Can't go up. >> No, I know. >> Yeah. So that that date keeps driving earlier with the with the calendar. So >> all right. Any other questions? >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you everybody that presented >> and those of you that sat there and watched. Appreciate you guys too. >> Great. >> Yeah. >> Great job. and do some things. Well, >> great. >> Uh, round table. >> I got an other to bring up. Uh, I would like the council to consider going paperless again. It it to it just bugs me to throw away 400 sheets of paper after every meeting. >> Throw away recycled. >> Yes. [laughter] >> I'm sorry, but you're still making new paper. >> It's so simple on when it's online. And it's just I don't understand why people don't want to do it. >> I would ask that the council to defer that decision until January 2nd. >> Oh, so nice. >> Well, see, the thing is is you wouldn't have to put up with it. >> That's why I said defer it till January 2nd. [laughter] >> What does that entail in your mind, Mike? >> Well, first of all, we eliminate the paper that you get each week. >> Yep. And uh well staff would put something together is what what we would have to do, but there would be maybe iPads or something going along with it or >> Yeah. tablets or >> Well, that's what I'm wondering because the township [clears throat] has those. >> Yeah. And it would, you know, the first year it's going to be more expensive, of course. Uh but over time um the thought was then and you could certainly load your email on there if you want to receive email and really have it be a city um computer so you're not using your own. >> Oh, so you would propose bringing the tablet home with you and it >> that's what I was wondering. >> See, I have I use Netflix on it, >> right? I just don't know how like records retention and data requests go when you're using your own. Well, the thing is is >> if you're using your own, >> you can surrender that and they'll have it for as long as it takes to >> I use mine for city business only. I don't use it for anything else. >> So there there's a lot of advantages. Um and I, you know, hasn't been very difficult. I I thought I was going to have a problem with switching, but it's fine. >> Well, right now I don't have to be connected to work any certain employees to retire early. [laughter] >> And we wouldn't we're we're thinking a January switch on this. It's not it's something we would incorporate into the budget, >> right? I I'm not opposed. It's just >> I would like to know how you know the data requests and things like that for me. I I mean between fireboard and this I got stuff kind of everywhere to be honest and it's probably not the best practice, >> right? >> Yeah. I try to keep everything I have separate. City is separate. I don't do city on anything else. I don't do anything else on my city account. So, >> if they get a data request, I have no problem turning my stuff over because it's all they're going to get. >> Well, yeah. I I don't have a problem either. It's just >> I don't trust anybody. >> I was going to say, right? >> But, you know, it's not just the cost of paper and everything else. It's operating the printer. I >> How many How much does it cost to print it? >> I don't know. Would we have the option of buying printed copies [clears throat] if we wanted them? >> Well, there would still be stuff that they would have if there's a presentation. There would be some >> Yeah, the spreadsheet that you had tonight that would still be done because there's no way you could follow that on. >> I mean, >> I would need a general agenda. >> You'd be zooming. [laughter] >> I think Mike is talking about the general. >> I'm talking about our >> a laptop would be the size of that TV right there. I'm talking >> I'd need a micro nuclear reactor to run my laptop. >> Yeah, I'm just talking about our regular meeting stuff. >> Oh, >> cuz you get sometimes our packets will have 200 pages in it. >> Oh, I'm I'm not opposed to the regular packet thing. >> No, if I could still get >> Yeah. No, we need still need to have this. [snorts] >> So semi paperless. >> Even with this Even with this, we need it the size of the TV. I can barely read that crap. >> Well, yeah. Brandy tried to get a raise in her capital out of that. Tried to capitalize [laughter] on it. I got to be careful now. She was really fast with that. >> Did you agree to give her a raise? >> No. On her capital. Okay. >> She almost snuck that in there. [laughter] All right. Anyway, >> like if we know how it would work with records retention and all that, if you can just clue us in, that would be Yep. >> We'll put some together. >> Okay. It's all I got. >> Becky, Robin, Rick. >> Nope. Negative. >> Don't think so. >> Me either. Good job, election people. >> Oh, yes. >> Pointing somewhere. Record turnout. And you >> Oh, what was it called? What was the count for? >> We had 630 ballots cast that day. I don't know what the um absentee ballot count was, >> but we had 600. >> Oh, does that include early early voting? >> No. Nope. That is just the ballots that were cast >> that day. >> That day. >> Okay. >> Which the previous um record was in 2018 that was 389. >> Yeah. >> So quite a bit quite a few more. It was my wife worked at the township for election day. They had 700 and something. >> Wow. >> It's the best turnout they've ever had for primary. [laughter] >> Good. >> See you in November. >> Yeah. >> All right. Anything else? Anybody? [clears throat] All right. We'll adjourn at 7:20. Thank you everybody. >> No, I'm dead serious. my phone. I don't I cannot link to work because of that. I cannot get >> I don't think I'm supposed to have my state on my phone. %. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But because well because it's discoverable discoverable. So you get sued or whatever then you have to turn over your phone or your if it's whatever data potentially housing it you have to turn it over. So it's computer just in general. >> Yeah. If somebody does a data request >> Yeah. Yeah. Well well if there's a suit or something and there's a question but yeah you could potentially have to turn over whatever. So it's your phone or your laptop or whatever. >> So now with our email world, but with email because it's technically essential server, not your phone is just a client. It just looks at the server. It doesn't actually house because of that. Um it >> quite as discoverable. was going to say whatever. I mean, if they give us a pad or a tablet or whatever, >> the email that I get on my phone is going to be the same thing. >> The email will be fine, but it's the files. So, if you had any other files and you save them locally like you might save them at home, that's the stuff that you generated something. >> The email should for Outlook the way we have it set up because it's housed on a central server. You're not housing it here. You're just peeking out. So >> that that's my only concern like because of like school constantly getting >> and I've asked the school I'm like do you have any issue underneath using this because I'm on there right and it's dinging and it's whatever >> but I I agree like the regular >> Yeah. But that's why I do use this only for city. It's all I [snorts] use it for. >> Well then the police will never come visit me. But we would but we would we would either buy tablets or >> that that was my >> Yeah, that that goes that first year. >> Well, I'm going to have to sign. >> Yeah, I know. I I'm totally Don't worry.