Please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance. [clears throat] >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, everybody. Thanks for being here. Uh number three, we're looking at the agenda. We do have a revision to the supplemental letter of agreement with SE under 7A. Do we have any other changes? And if not, we'd entertain a motion to approve the agenda as revised. >> Make a motion we approve the agenda as revised. >> Second. >> We have a motion by Mike and a second by Rick. Is there any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor of approving the agenda, please state I. I. >> Anyone opposed state no. Agenda is approved. Number five, guests in open form. Is there anybody here tonight that would like to address council? All right, let's move on to number six, committee reports, presentations, and awards. We'll start out with police committee. Police try that police committee. We met on July 10th, 0700 like we always do. Um we talked uh the staff uh the sergeant position which the interview started last week and that process is ongoing. Uh and then just we had a current updating on the um where we're sitting at for staffing right now. Um uh we do have the item on 7B on our agenda tonight. Uh the um the emergency response unit JPA. So we'll talk about more there. Um uh we we I mentioned quite a bit about part-time employees last time, so um won't go into that much more uh detail now, but we had more discussion on that. Uh we also had the department rifle purchase, which is on our agenda for tonight as well. Um just a quick update on the codification and then also on the um the uh time sheets uh which we're in the process of moving that over um with the scheduling system that is in progress. And then we had laser tag. Did we have laser tag? Even though it was screaming hot. That was >> Yeah. It turned into a also a >> pool >> splash pad. There you go. >> So So with that, so we had that that was coming up. So um uh and then National Night Out of course is August 4th. Um we will have uh plenty of participation from the city there. And then cones with the cops is September 1st. Uh, and just to update, the uh, squad cars um have been ordered. So, that's what I got for police. >> All right, any questions for Rick on police? All right, we'll move on to public works. >> Public works, we met on the 8th. Uh, Christine Jacobson presented us with a petition for crosswalks on Bank Street. Uh we spent quite a bit of time discussing it and pros and cons etc. But we made the decision to hold off until the country lumber property has been developed so we know where where where things are going to be before we get too excited about putting in new crosswalks. So that's on hold. We also discussed uh the street signs. They're they're not labeled southeast, which all the addresses in Becker are southeast. And rather than replacing the street signs with southeast on them, we just are going to replace them as we need to as time goes on rather than spending a bunch of money for no reason. Uh recycle day, we've decided to cut it to two hours >> and give it a try. And if it doesn't work out that way, we can always change it back the next year. Uh and then uh wastewater and water treatment. We have a 7A and 7E which will be talked about later. >> All right. Any questions at the mic on public works? All right. Personnel, we met on July 10th and uh first thing we discussed was the program coordinator restructuring which is under 7D. Bry's going to talk about that tonight. And then uh one item was a reclassification of of one employee that's on the consent agenda tonight. And that was about all we talked about at personnel. [snorts] All right. Move on to park and wreck. >> Park and wreck met last night. Uh we talked about doing some mosquito treatment at the city park. They're pretty thick out by where they play disc golf. Um, we're going to give it a try and and see how it goes, if it makes a difference. Uh, we talked about the new Sand Hill Park. We're looking to get the site work started out there and we're going to be looking at different play equipment ideas. And the horse trails out at the city park. They're not really being maintained by the horse rider groups anymore. That number has dwindled. So, we're gonna gather more information and see what we want to do with that. That's about it. >> All right. Any questions for Robin on parks and wreck? All right. Move on to EDA then. >> Excuse [cough and clears throat] me. EDA met Monday, July 13th. We talked about uh property at Liberty and Highway 10. There's been some interest in it. The mayor has talked with that interested party and they are still working on getting their thoughts together on what they want to do with that. Uh the housing study is still not final, but it's coming along. They hope to see it in the next 30 days. And a market update. There were 29 homes for sale in our zip code um last month, which is up quite a bit. >> Yeah, >> that's all I've got. >> All right, questions for Robin. All right, we will move on then to board committee and consultant report 7A. We have the supplemental. Oh, sorry. What did I miss? >> Fireboard. >> Oh, I didn't see fireboard on. >> I don't think we had it on there. >> Oh, yeah. Let's do fireboard. Sorry. Sorry about that, Chris. False start. Five yard penalty. [laughter] >> You can still start you start rotation early if you do a delayed uh call here. >> Sorry, my fault. Forgot about fireboard. Sorry about that. Um so fireboard uh yesterday was all fire all the time. So um so we uh so we met yesterday at 5:30. Uh we of course discussed the budget which was approved uh which we'll talk about at the next for the special meeting. Um so we had gone through the budget gone through the CIP again and um just finalized everything there and uh did motion to approve to forward that to the uh uh joint combined meeting there at 8:00. um brief discussion about uh about 4M funds and um just discussion at that point. Um the air handling unit uh the um that is in progress. And then um let's see chief's items. The yeah the roof the roof repairs were done. Um and the uh basically we're looking at the different ideas for the roof as to whether you know we didn't replace the whole roof. So we said okay there was a 10-year roughly um fix that was put on it. You know you could repair it and then it would get roughly 10 more years out of it. So, um, so that is done and then, um, looking to get quotes kind of more for the CIP to say what would a rough cost and then try and, um, put it out 10 years and make sure it's on the CIP for that. Uh, the computer is, uh, in the process of being ordered. Um, I think they have one picked out. I don't think they've actually uh, ordered it yet. Um, that's what I got there. And then should you write in the special meeting? Yes. So, special meeting uh of course last night uh we meet once a year as a joint body and we approved the well we had the report from the chief on the calls uh for the year and then we approved the uh proposed fire budget and the proposed uh CIP. Uh the budget uh was approved with all the um struggles that everybody's having in budgets this year. We still approved a budget with a 2% only a 2% increase. So, uh happy for that. All right. Any questions for Rick on fire? All right. Now 7A supplemental letter of agreement with SE for wellhouse number one. Mr. Listen. >> Good evening, mayor and councel. Uh tonight I have an RCA and resolution 2667 for your consideration. It says for updates to uh the Riley Wellhouse or wellhouse number one. Uh it's located on Riley Avenue, ironically. And um it's on the same campus as Carly Johnson Park, so that that helps people realize where it is. Um the wellhouse number one, uh wells two and four uh go through that wellhouse, and it accounts for approximately 850 gallons of our per minute of our daily production for the city. Uh well four is our largest largest producing well. Um, so we've kind of been looking at this project for a couple years, but because of the inability to operate, especially during irrigation season without well for timing has been kind of a something we've been trying to wrap our heads around. Um, so the wellhouse was built in 1976, putting most of the equipment in it at the 50-year range. Uh we worked with SE uh to get this SLA that would outline uh the design work that's needed um so we can get plans and specifications that we could take out for bid when the timing is right for the city. Uh the project would address aging process equipment, electrical controls, HVAC, uh the building systems to improve the reliability, maintainability and safety and long-term operational performance of that wellhouse. uh the bidding assistance and project management if the design work is approved tonight would come at a later date when we're ready to to move forward with that as a city. Again, timing is kind of critical because we just can't be without this wellhouse in the summer. So, uh the idea would be if we get the design work done, we have those plans and specs ready and then as things work out well, we can move into the next phase as needed. Uh we did discuss this uh project with public works and it was discussed with the council at an executive session. Uh the costs for uh this work would be in our water CIP. Um we kind of planned for that already. And so tonight I'd be looking for a motion and a second to approve resolution 2667 which is a resolution authorizing staff to accept and execute a supplemental letter of agreement with for design work for the wellhouse number one update. And with that I can stand for questions. All right. Any questions? That's something we think we could get back by would it potentially this fall would that assuming you take it off in a buffer season. So >> yep it'd be something we would try to coordinate with our well house or our water treatment project and kind of see how those can align. Um yeah the the I know engineering talked about kind of the biggest factor would be once we decide to move forward with the project getting some of the supplies and things for the project might be the longest runway. So again, that's where that timing thing is critical. So we'll [clears throat] if it's approved, we'll get our design work done so we kind of have that ready and then we can kind of as we need to pull that trigger and go. >> So and then just let her keep running for now. >> Yep. >> Mhm. >> Well, 50 years is pretty impressive. >> That was pretty good. Yeah, we've done I mean we've done a little work along the way to kind of keep her going, but >> it's a good run. We'll take it. >> All right. a picture of Gerald Ford in the there [laughter] >> it's in one of the blocks the time cap so we can open up and see what was here when it was built. >> Yeah. The 300 residents of Becker. [laughter] I'm very happy that this well. >> All right. >> I make a motion we approve resolution 2667 uh supplemental agreement with for wellhouse one design. All >> right. We have a motion from Mike. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. Robin seconds. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. That motion carries. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Chris. Good luck with that project. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next up, we have the Sherburn County ERU, JPA, Chief Lindloom. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh the Sherurn County Sheriff's Office operates a emergency response unit, the ERU unit. And as part of that, um, it's a kind of a select group of people who have additional training in entries and force combat and things like that that, um, are utilized in situations where, um, maybe there's a concern for, uh, for weapons, um, or higher stakes situations. Some people might think of like a SWAT team. Essentially, that's what they are. They just call themselves the emergency response unit. Um, we have utilized this emergency response unit occasionally within the Becker Police Department, but it's always been uh staffed by the sheriff's office. Um, the sheriff's office approached us about um wanting to potentially open that up and allow for officers from the Becker Police Department to apply to join the emergency response unit. And so uh before you tonight for uh resolution 2664 would be a joint powers agreement with the sheriff's office for that emergency response unit. Effectively what it would allow is for uh members of the Becker Police Department to apply for positions on the team. Uh there is a very extensive uh testing process that requires a lot of physical testing, firearms training. Um it includes an interview and then um ultimately it will come down to myself and the commander of the ERU team if an individual should be selected to be a part of the team. Um if selected and we had a member on the team, that member would be um under the command of the Sherburn County Emergency Response Unit when out on a detail. They run on a standard operating procedure. um they would be employed by the Becker Police Department and um paid by the police department in the city. All insurance and things like that would carry over for their employment here and then any costs incurred through overtime and things like that for callouts would be would be covered by us. Um there is some additional training requirements that would be required. Uh we would use our scheduling system to schedule um those trainings in with their normal schedule. So we wouldn't really incur much of a cost there. However, there will be a benefit to the department and the city to have um members on that uh team because they're receiving a lot of um extra training, a lot of extra knowledge and tactics and operations that then they can bring back to the rest of the officers and team and uh in turn have available to us for calls that maybe wouldn't reach the threshold of an emergency response unit um response. So, uh, that being said, um, looking for a motion to approve, uh, us entering into that joint powers agreement with the Sherman County Sheriff's Office for the ERU team. >> Is that going to take officers off your rotation as far as being on patrol? >> So, only so training days potentially could have an impact on a patrol day if it's scheduled. Um the if they're off duty um and there's a call out then they could respond. If they're on duty and we have road coverage then they could respond to an on if they were on duty they could respond to assist in that manner. Wouldn't ever put us in a position where we didn't have the road covered or we weren't at minimum staffing to allow them to go. >> So kind of like an on call firefighter. If they're available and they are are able to go, they can. If not, then they wouldn't be able to. >> And potentially we would have to pay potentially overtime. >> Yep. So there if they get a call out on a on a day off um and they are on a scene for a few hours um then that would be something that we would pay the the the wages for if they're out on that. Yes. >> So they're not paid at all by the response group. >> Correct. Yep. The emergency response unit wouldn't wouldn't provide any any pay there. So the benefit to to us obviously is having that that that additional training for some of our officers, that knowledge and things like that that they can bring back here and then we have somebody with a lot of that experience able to be on staff here. >> They also have to be selected for that. >> Yes. And that is a very important part of this. The the selection process is very extensive. So um at this point in time the initial um this is the first time this has happened. Um this uh also is being done with Big Lake as well. So they uh have signed the joint powers agreement as well. And so to start they were going to offer one position to to both of our agencies if we had somebody that wanted to to join um and then see how that works with adding the officer from that agency. And then there's a potential that as we go we could you know they could open it up for for other officers as well depending on what our needs are and their needs are as well. So, >> and if this doesn't work out for you, is there do you have an easy out or? >> Yep. The the JPA says we can withdraw at any time. >> Okay. >> Yep. And I do I'll I'll make a note to you. Um so, this is obviously too dependent on people wanting to be a part of that. >> That's what I was hearing. >> So, um we when this process kind of got started and we were working through this, we we did put out to our team, hey, if if there's an interest here, this is an opportunity. So, we have some interested people that right now wasn't the right time. So, this they they're in the process right now of starting a um a testing procedure for the ERU team. We don't have anybody from Becker right now who is ready to step into that role. So, effectively right now this will be uh a joint powers agreement, but we actually won't have anybody from the Becker PD on the ERU in 2026 for sure. So J [snorts] >> we uh at police committee we um had we had asked how many times obviously you never know but how many times historically uh the ERU gets called out. Can do you remember that? >> Yeah, I think it was I think they average seven of actual call outs. I think it was it was under 10 of of call outs. It does vary. They said it es and flows. So some years or some months they'll go three four months without callout and then they'll have three in a month. Um, so that that does vary, but it's not usually a a huge time commitment. Again, it's it's reserved for those isolated incidents where they just need that extra that extra help. So, >> technology-wise, [clears throat] equipment wise, do we use stuff similar to the sheriff's office? >> No. And so, that Thanks for bringing up that point. So, the the cost for the overtime and things like that is kind of our ongoing cost. the upfitting portion, there is a fee, a cost, and it' be right around $11,000. Um, if we had somebody that was selected, we do have funds in our CIP for tools and equipment that would cover that. Um, but that is because they do have some specialized equipment um that would need to get purchased to meet their standards. So, that officer would be assigned um that equipment. Any transferable equipment we could transfer if somebody wanted to leave the ERU and join later, but there would be some costs there for some of the extra vests and things like that. Um, interestingly enough, my next agenda item will cover the that portion of it because, um, the rifle that would need to get purchased for somebody for you, um, if approved later, that would meet their standards because it comes into what the norm is for them, too. So there would be a little bit there that we could could have. But in general, like I said, that that onboarding is a little bit more of a cost to us, but um again, the amount of the training and um skills and tactical abilities that that person's going to carry with them and bring back and have on the streets here every day um is is pretty important as well. >> Yeah, for sure. And they're not charging us for the training? >> Nope. >> That's just part >> uh there would be an annual um I think it was pretty minimal. I think it was uh u I think like $3,000 or $2,000 annually and that covered like some of the ammunition. Um they do an annual training up at Ripley. They cover some cost with that. So >> Yep. >> overall the cost of training for that and the amount of training they get is uh far less expensive than a day of training for most of our trainings that we go to. So >> for sure. >> Yep. >> Well, I just think this is great. I think it's a huge step forward in county and local agency uh relations. So, I'm super happy to see this happening. I think that's wonderful. Any other questions for Chief? If not, would someone like to offer a motion on resolution 2664? >> I'll make that motion. >> We have a motion by Robin. >> I'll second. [clears throat] >> We have a second by Mike. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. >> That motion carries. >> All right. Thank you very much, Chief. And you're up again for the rifles. >> I am. Uh resolution 2665 uh presenting um is for a patrol rifle update for the department. Our current patrol rifle cons uh consists of four fully operational rifles that are in our patrol vehicles. Um we have a total of six patrol vehicles. Um, so we were looking at trying to get all of our vehicles upfitted with rifles. Um, there was a spare. However, we've had consistent problems with the rifles that we've had for these um, many years. Uh, including breaking stocks, uh, malfunctioning when we're doing our rifle training. Um, we've had a lot of problems with the optics um, like the sights that we selected for them back when we purchased them um, to include falling off during training. So, we kind of just reached the point at which um if we're going to add rifles, they all need to be the same. So, when we set up a squad car and our guys and gals go to work, every car, every piece of equipment in there is the same. Um and it didn't make a lot of sense to do like for like when we've been having so many problems. So, uh we took a look at at the rifles and um staff kind of thought that the a full refresh would would make more sense. We'd have reliable equipment then that we could have for many many years um to come. Uh that being said, we reached out to some other agencies. We did some research with local agencies. Um we pe uh pinned some of our like the chief's association and things looking at what type of rifle is is common place and some good vendors. Ultimately got a lot of referrals um for Alex Pro firearms um in Alexandria. >> Supply a lot of law enforcement in Minnesota. Uh key for them was their customer service. So, one of the things we talked about at police committee was uh we had looked at having a spare rifle um uh just to have. But Alex Pro um is really good customer service. So, if there's any type of failure or something that happens, even situations where if an officer would have like an officer involved shooting um and that gun needs to get taken as evidence, um they will come down and they'll replace that until we can get it back. So, um that was really nice to see. Right now, we don't have any type of warranty or customer service um with our rifles that we have now. Um they would be a 5.56 caliber um rifle. Nothing too crazy that um like difference. It's a rifle. It does the same thing. The the current uh ammunition that we have, magazines would be um able to go between them. It's got a shorter barrel. Very common now um to have that. A lot of our entries and things like that where we're using rifles are in residences, hallways, and things like that. So, having the shorter barrel is is more beneficial. Also, ease of removing from the squad car. Ultimately, uh Alexandria or Alex Pro Firearms was able to supply us with six rifles. Uh the cost was $7,200. Um and then we had also reached out to them to get the items on the rifles that we have. Um their quote was a little bit higher. So, uh, we reached out to Keysler's Police Supply. That's who we purchased our Glock, um, handguns from a few years ago when we did our big handgun upgrade. They've been really good to deal with. And one of the nice things about Keyslers is they've always been really good about doing buybacks. So, um, we have our current rifles. We also have our old old rifles from before our last rifle upgrade that have just been um, collecting dust in uh, in the um, evidence room. And then we also have a bunch of old shotguns that um were identified as less lethal um like bean bag round shotguns. It's not something that the department utilized or has utilized and doesn't intend to. Um so they were willing to kind of we took that and said, "Hey, we've got all of this. Would you be willing to buy it back from us essentially?" And they um agreed to that and we're willing to uh do a buyback of all of our old equipment. Um, and therefore, uh, Keyslers would be able to supply us, uh, with the accessories for the the all six of the rifles. Um, total for that was 6,700. Um, and then they offered us the $4,270 for tradein. Um, which brings all of our accessories to about4 $2,400, which was uh, pretty nice. Uh, we we got a a really good deal from them um on the buyback, much more than we thought we would for some of the rifles. So, um, all in all, we're looking at a cost to replace all of our department rifles and accessories at about $9,600. Um, we do have funds available in our CIP tools and equipment line item for that uh this year that we would be able to utilize. And then again, um, in my world who maintains the evidence room, I'm going to have some more space because I'm not going to have a bunch of old stuff, um, occupying space in there. So that's >> getting rid of the musketss. >> But yeah, the bayonet attachments that are on the end of some of those. Nice. >> Yep. Nope. [laughter] >> So, a little bit of house cleaning and uh these would be like I said, I feel like the the reliability here was the key. And it uh it was frustrating at a lot of our trainings trying to do our rifle qualification and have things break and we just kind of can't have that. So, um, we anticipate that these, uh, as long as they're maintained, which we have a a great firearms, uh, coupled firearms, uh, instructors and armorers who clean them and take care of them, that, um, we'll get many, many years out of them. So, so my only question, Chief, would be, was the price difference between APF and Keieslers enough? Because it it seems like you really like APF's, you know, warranty work and all those things. Now it's kind of like you're putting two companies onto that gun and if we had to ship them for work or anything, was it a >> significant enough amount of funds to >> Yeah, it was several thousand difference um in the markup. Um I will say so the the accessories from Keyslers aren't aren't a specific it's not their company. So they're just outsourcing. Uh, so the the the optics for instance, they're a Vortex product. APF and Keysler's both sold them. >> Got it. >> APF's markup on them, I think probably just a smaller company. Um, Yep. >> was much higher. Got it. >> And I had reached out to uh to the individual companies as well to kind of say, hey, law enforcement agency purchase. Um, and they were right in line with what Keysers had quoted us. But obviously the benefit here is Keyslers will do the buyback. Yep. So we would have got similar prices if we had gone out and bought them individually. It just was way easier going through key >> list. So it's not proprietary to >> not. All right. Anybody else have any questions for chief on the rifle purchase? >> If not, we would entertain a motion for resolution 2665 for the rifle purchase, the buyback, and all the goodies. I'll make a motion to approve resolution 2665. >> Second. >> We have a motion by Rick, second by Mike. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. I. >> Anyone oppose, state no. >> The motion carries. >> Okay. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. All right. Miss Thomas is here for the program coordinator restructuring at Becker Community Center. Welcome. >> Thank you. Good evening. Um, so I'm re I'm requesting the approval to restructure the Becker Community Center's current coordinator model um from three part-time program coordinator positions to two full-time program coordinator positions. Uh we currently have a vacancy in the adventure zone program coordinator position which gave me the opportunity to evaluate um and consider where I wanted to go with that. um using this as a good opportunity to pretend potentially restructure. So um upon review, my recommendation is to eliminate that vacant position and redistribute responsibilities and increase the two remaining coordinators from part-time to full-time. Uh so if you're not familiar, we have currently we have an aquatics coordinator, an adventures zone coordinator, and a fitness and special events coordinator. Uh these are all part-time positions. So I again would move to consolidate those into two full-time positions. One of the reasons being that I after evaluating uh I learned I looked further into it and saw that aquatics and adventure zone that would be the primary consolidation there. Um those are they complement each other very well. When aquatics is slow in the summertime because that's our slowest time of year. the adventure zone program ramps up with the kids being there all day. When adventures zone slows down in the school year, aquatics gets a little busier. So, it complements each other as far as the workload. It's a very seasonal position. Um, beyond that, I think the PR it would promote [snorts] efficiency meaning that rather than having three separate part-time positions that all have to communicate and parents sometimes have to go between multiple parties, they can now we have two people who will collaborate, provide coverage for one another and share responsibilities based on what the facility needs at the time. Um, one of the things I would like to do with the increase in hours for the special events and fitness program coordinator is add more youth programming to her plate with with special events and again youth fitness programming. Uh, after doing some data, we learned that 30 three% of our membership is people ages 0 to 18. So with a third of our membership, we should probably be doing a little bit more youth programming to accommodate those members. Um, with this transition, I would also look to develop strong lead positions. We already have that position, but really work on growing our leads so that we can help the coordinator in that role uh be more admin related. They're helping with the billing. They're communicating to parents. They're handling disciplinary action and less of the rotating between activities and and doing snack time and things like that. So, we would improve our lead structure. Again, that wouldn't be anything new. That would just be part of what we're already doing. But I [snorts] also believe that this would be a good improvement for recruitment and retention because two full-time a full-time position tends to be a lot more attractive to uh the employment market than a part-time position. And we've heard that over the hiring process. I was a part of this hiring process for the adventure zone program coordinator last year. And that was one of the biggest things for feedback with not getting highlevel candidates to even apply because of the the position being a part-time non-benefit eligible position. And we were very fortunate to end [clears throat] up with the candidate we did have for the year. Um and then so one of the nicest features here is also the restructure is financially beneficial. So going into if we if this is approved for the remainder of this budget cycle 2026, we're looking at 9,794 in savings for the remainder of the year. Looking ahead to the 2027 budget with this restructure from three part-time coordinators to two full-time coordinators, we're looking at a savings of $24,797. So either way, we're looking at a savings with this restructure. There's efficiencies, um, more consistent leadership in our in our department and al of course making it a more attractive position down the road if we ever do have to rehire. So do we have any questions? >> Have you taken into consideration the cost of benefits? >> Yes, that is included in that calculation. Are you not increasing the salary of the two people that you're keeping >> their their step they're still going to be on the same step the same scale um they're just getting an eight extra hours a week so their wages wouldn't increase other than getting more additional hours >> which should wash with the two positions versus three but the cost of the I'm concerned about the cost of benefits Mhm. >> And what that's going to do to your budget. >> Well, yeah, we discussed that at personnel and it the the 25,000 I'm rounding up a little bit cuz that sounds really good. Um that is inclusive of of all benefit costs as well because the three positions, none of them were benefit eligible, >> right? That's what I'm getting at. >> So even with that, we're going to be saving this. If it's just wages alone, it looks like it's a $42,000 savings, but then when you factor benefits in, it's $25,000 savings. >> Yeah, it seems kind of too good to be true when we started, too. >> That's why I'm questioning it. >> Yeah. No, I know what you're saying, but yeah, when we looked at it, it's like, wow, this that's significant. >> Yep. And we worked with with finance on that and calculating those numbers and and pulling the accurate information. And so, again, if this is approved, you'll >> that's using our step system. >> Yes. Yep. >> Yep. >> So, you'll see if this is approved, you may see some of this in the in the budget meeting as well. >> Okay. >> Both the current employees are interested in staying and going part or full-time. >> Yes, they're very excited. >> Oh, good. >> Yes. Very relieved and very excited. >> Good. >> Excuse us for the shock. We just don't get a lot of [clears throat] >> everything is on the positive side of the procon chart. So, you had me at saving $25,000. So, >> great. >> Awesome work. Thank you for your creativity. >> Yep. >> And thank you for providing all that detail, too, cuz that's cuz of course I'm reading through I'm going, "Okay, what's what's the what's the math wash out?" I was like, "Oh, look at that. There's a chart." So those >> two. [laughter] >> So if there's no more questions, I would um request a motion to approve resolution 2668 to restructure the Becker Community Center program coordinator roles from part-time to full-time. >> All right. Anybody want to make that motion? >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion by Robin. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Second by Rick. Is there any further discuss discussion or questions? Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. Motion carry. Thank you very much. All right, Mr. Kudson's up with the SLA with SE for the WTPD. [laughter] Well, I'm hoping those uh warm fuzzies you had with that cost savings carry over into the uh investment that we're looking at in a water treatment plant. Um, good evening. [laughter] This isn't a new topic. It's a kind of an uncomfortable topic, but it's something we've been wrestling with for several decades right now. I know the last couple of years, we really ramped it up and having uh conversations at work sessions and uh with staff. Uh water is has been top of mind for for many many years. [cough] So, uh, in 2019, uh, the council approved land purchase and, uh, we used some some, u direct bonding to put in wells seven and 8 on the former Olsson property out on K County Road 24. After we got [clears throat] those wells into production, the water quality wasn't what we anticipated it to be and uh a surprise came along in the in the form of CO2 in there as well, which pulls some of the uh um the sediment in solution uh out uh kind of gave us a little bit of a tinge and also the manganese quantities in the uh those wells was a little bit higher as well. when we tried to blend that water together, uh it was a little bit cloudy, uh it was a little bit orange, and we've we received immediate feedback from our citizens, uh what's going on. So, [clears throat] we've taken those those wells offline. Uh we've not used them, and we've looked for solutions the past two and a half to three years. Uh we've studied everywhere we can look for water. We've done test uh uh drills everywhere. We've talked to countless farmers. Uh we've done uh residential samples in in the township as well. Um most recently after our last work session, I I had a farmer reach out uh through a council member and uh we immediately went out there. They were going to vacate one of their irrigators. Uh we looked at that. We were concerned about uh nitrates and nitrates were uh registered at 10.6. MDH levels are are 10 and and below. Anything five and above we have to monitor as well. So it's just not a viable option for us to treat that. Um, so we kind of pulled that one off the table. But, um, the process, like I said, we've we've talked to anyone that would listen and, uh, what we finally ended up at is with some reluctance was using well 7 and 8 for a site for a future water treatment plant. It's not new to the area. Big Lake is going through this right now. Monaceel is starting on their their water treatment plant as as well. Um, so what we're recommending tonight is for uh us to enter into an agreement with SE to do design work for a water treatment plant. Uh, the design work would get us to uh plan ready and bidding documents. They would carry us through should you want to go that way to uh to bid layout and that would be brought back to you likely in in uh February, March of next year to start construction at next year's time. So, obviously the financial burden that comes with this is is pretty extensive. Uh, Greg and and myself have met with with Mark and Lori to walk through the uh preliminary numbers. Uh, the SLA cost is is not to exceed uh 9 and $32,000, sorry, 942,500 uh for this first phase. those funds. Uh what we talked about was taking money out of the uh reserves and the water fund as well as some of the PIFA settlement money that we've got uh to pursue this. Uh in doing so, uh if you should move forward tonight, we'll continue to work on long-term funding as we get through the phases of of uh going out for bid, selecting a contractor, going through construction. It's likely a 24-month process from start to finish uh to get it there. A lot of levers that we would need to pull. This is obviously the first big one. so we can move forward with it. And uh the 942,000 isn't all at once, right? It'd be phased as they go through 30-day payments just like all the other work that we do with them. Um so it wouldn't it'll be a slow bleed as we come through the the payment on it. But I think it's a crit critical critical next step for us to secure our our water future. So and with that, there's a lot of information out there. Uh like I said, we've had several in-depth meetings on this, but I can stand for any questions if you have them. Any questions for Phil? [clears throat] >> So, if we built nothing, added nothing, currently we would still need this. >> We've been in a water deficit since I was on council when I started in 2002. Um, and nothing's changed. We've we've grown. We've added businesses. We've added rooftops and we've not not added to our our water supply system. So, yes, we've been running deficit. Uh the water guys, uh they this time of year, that last uh 7-day stretch, 10day stretch, >> that's stressful for these guys cuz they're just like we're we're one fail away from having a watering ban of zero exterior water use, no lawn watering, things like that. So, yes, we've needed this for for many, many years. And uh I feel good. Staff has done a great job of trying to turn over every rock and find any opportunity. Uh we've been very fortunate. Um, you could say we're unfortunate because we've never had to treat our water. Um, 15 years ago, this would have been a treat a cheaper alternative, but we've been fortunate to have decent water quantity. We just don't have enough of it. Yep. All right. Any further questions? If not, we're looking for a resolution or a motion on resolution 2666 for the S SOA with for our water treatment plant. I'll make the motion to approve that resolution. >> Have a motion from Rick. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Robin seconds. Do we have any further discussion? I would just say thank you. I know you've put a lot of work into this and uh all the water staff and public works staff and um I went back and looked at the study that was presented and it's thorough. It explored every option. Um, so I'm very comfortable and just want to thank staff for all that work. >> Yeah, you bet. I mean, we appreciate it and and it's a full group effort. I mean, budget and finance, we we met six weeks ago when we first started talking this. Their wheels are already turning on on all the opportunities. I know we're going to work through budget and finance as far as long-term planning and how that's going to work out. So, we'll we'll have uh future work sessions as well as the finance team continues to dive into what the best options are for the long-term impact of the of the plant. And like you said, I mean, we've been trying test walls for years. I mean, it's not like we just went, "Oh, let's just do this." I mean, we've we've been trying. >> Yeah. Our our primary engineer, Chris Larson, who's working with us from uh said Becker has invested more in trying to find water than any community he's ever worked with. So, uh it's not for for lack of trying. So, again, I thank you for recognizing that. We appreciate all the things the staff is doing, but uh this is a I think our our most confident next step. It's a big hurdle, but it it's going to give us results. You know, we we're feeling a little bit worn out and defeated because we've just not been able to uh land anything, but this is going to give us what we need. So, >> awesome. Any further discussion? If not, we'll call a question on resolution 2666. All in favor, please state I. I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. My motion carries. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh then it looks like you're up again, Mr. Mr. Kudson for uh the Edgewood Street improvements. >> Yes. Uh we've started the project. We've got a change order request coming through. It's for a water connection. Uh it was in a mission when we first started talking through it. We when when the Luen u infrastructure improvement, the grant was was offered. Um we were looking at potentially uh capturing a sanitary line uh under Edgewood for future developments on on a farm field over there. um the cost of that and just looking at that and do we need a lift station and and all of that just didn't seem feasible for us to do something like that. Um we didn't pursue looping that water system. Currently the the the uh water infrastructure is fed from the I'll call it the southeast portion Luan current Luan drive and feeds upward. Uh what we would recommend uh and again kudos to our our water team for seeing the plans and calling it out. uh if we can loop [clears throat] the system, anytime we can loop the system and backflow if we need to, it's a benefit for us. So the water man right now runs on the north side of of of Edgewood. And for us to do this work, this change order would call out that we would we would take that water line, tie into it, and bring it basically to the south edge of the rightway of of Edgewood Street right now. So if Lann Street does get improved, which we anticipated it will, we'll be ready to tie into that. So then we can loop all of that development on Luan Drive. um better service long term. If you've got any issues, you can gate it off one side and fill from the other side. So, it's it's the right thing to do. It was just an omission as we we got to together on the uh design originally. So, with that tonight, I'm looking for a movement on on change order number one in the amount of $25,430. Uh we did get this from our our contractor did vet this through because of the quantity pricing. It's in line with what we would have would have done originally. Um, so feel comfortable with the change order even though I don't like change orders, but >> makes sense to build in the redundancy. And Brandy paid for it, >> so we we appreciate that. >> She won't give up her funds that easy. So, [laughter] >> all right. So, we're just looking for a motion on change order number one for Edgewood Street to loop the water man. >> I'll make that a motion. >> Okay. We have a motion from Mike. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second from Robin. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. >> The motion carries. >> Thank you. [clears throat] >> Uh do you know how long will that close that end? >> That should be a day project. >> Okay. >> Yeah, they'll be able to shut that down. We're going to try and a meeting with Greg this morning. We're going to try and isolate some of these things. Uh we should find out where are we? Tuesday by Thursday at the uh east end of of of Edgewood with the the storm sewer coming in. If they get their shipment where it's scheduled for Thursday, uh they'll start doing work either the end of this week or early next week. So that'll kind of bottle up what we're dealing there. We'll try and get better messaging out even if we got to put some door knocks out on like Woodland Court. They're going to be isolated as we come through with this. We'll work with Shepherd of Grace or those neighborhoods. U but just encourage everybody. We'll Tony does a really good job of taking any information we can and posting it. I we'll use Facebook and and our website to try and direct everybody there because it's very fluid. So, we'll try and keep those things going. But if anybody has any questions, they can call city hall. We'll we'll work with them. But this shouldn't shut it down too much. The uh the storm collection is going to make a mess of Edgewood. So, anybody who lives in um um Nature's Edge, >> your best bet, get to Brenda. Just cross over Brenda and and keep it moving and stay off of Edgewood if you can. So, >> perfect. Thanks. >> Awesome. Thank you. All right, Mr. Larude is up with the consent agenda. >> Mayor Cobinger, city council members, items for review, approval, or adoption on tonight's consent agenda include the hiring and termination report authorized the Tuesday, July 21st, 2026 payment of claims as presented. The claims listing has been provided to the city council as a separate document and is available upon request for public view at city hall. The total claims are $389,312.14. authorized electronic transactions as presented in the May 31st, 2026 journal. The journal has been provided to the city council as a separate document and is available for public view at city hall upon request. Approve the minutes of the July 7th city council meeting. Approve the minutes of the July 14th budget workshop meeting. Approve pay number one in the amount of 320,00 320,12324 to capital paving for the 2026 street improvement project. approve the update to the community development administrative technician job description and I'll be happy to answer any questions. >> All right. Any questions for Greg on the consent agenda? If not, would anybody like to make a motion to approved the to approve the consent agenda? I'll >> make the motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> Got a motion by Rick. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second by Robin. Is there any further discussion hearing? Hearing none. All in favor, please state I. >> I. >> Anyone opposed? State no. That motion carries. All right. Anybody else have anything for tonight? >> No, I do not. >> If not, we would entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Have a motion by Robin and a a second. >> Second by Rick. All in favor of adjourning, please state I. >> Anyone opposed, state no. Meeting's adjourned at 5:49. We'll take a brief break and we'll come back to talk about the governmental funds preliminary budget. Thank you everybody. So I get to read your >> what? Oh >> What? But we have we're designing [laughter] >> okay Cool. >> Yes. >> Yeah. No, we haven't >> Lance, >> but but I but here's I You know, I didn't I don't know. >> He did look back. [clears throat] which is good. You guys won't watch. >> [laughter] >> No, no, I'm not. I just realized without >> Gary. I mean, Greg, [laughter] >> that's a little >> Did you see that letter? >> Which letter? >> I'll tell you later. >> Sure. >> All right. We're going to call the uh executive session of July 21st, 2026 to order. And we're going to start out with the governmental funds preliminary budget. Uh we did a special meeting last week for the CIP and now we're on to this fun stuff. So Lori, you're going to start us off. >> I'm going to start you out. >> All right. >> Here we go. All right. We're going to um start out by running through a couple of the assumptions. I think um if we go through those, it'll lay some of the groundwork, answer a few questions ahead of time. So um first of all I was want to thank all the budget managers. Um we are using the my viewpoint tool again for budget workflow. Um it works works really well for input and review. Um all that data that goes in there pulls down into the review formats that you're looking at. So um all that data has been reviewed all the way through Greg. Everything you're going to see tonight has um been through that level of review. So, um, thank you to everybody for your work in doing that, for all your feedback and, um, the process, um, works fairly well. So, I just want to thank the folks that have all that input. Um, a couple data points. Um what you'll see in the budgets tonight um we are using a wage input assumption of a 3% increase plus any step and grade changes that would be scheduled for people um on our normal DBM ratings. Um couple data points. The consumer price index right now is at 3 and a half% for everything uh for all items through June of 26. So, we did just get that update and incorporate that into um this kind of just for a data point of of where things are at. Um we do have a compensation study in progress with Flity and Hood. Um we have had to make preliminary wage assumptions and so we put that 3% in there um because we won't have that data back in time to uh really get to the finish line if we don't put some put something in there. So, thanks to um budget and finance and uh other groups for kind of helping us kind of get to what where we wanted to start for wages. Um from a benefit standpoint, I think it's important to understand that when we budgeted um health care for 2026, we budgeted an assumption that healthc care was going to go up 8%. That was the cap that we had at the time that we put budgets together. Um initially um when we renewed our benefits we actually received a 10.8% decrease which relatively unheard of. We had gone out for bid. We had excellent um usage data. We were we are we were and are a very um attractive candidate for the groups who were bidding on our healthcare options. And so we ended up with a reduction. We did not at that time push all that reduction back into the budget. And so when you look tonight at how we're budgeting healthcare, it is going to look a little strange when you compare last year's budget to this year's budget because we didn't push all that detail back into all the budgets. So we are budgeting for um the premium cap that they quoted us when we accepted last year's reduction. That cap is a 15% increase. So, everybody's healthcare line is going to look a little odd because we did not push some of those details back into everybody's line items. So, um you'll see that. Um hopefully that helps to explain that. If we have if you have specific questions, we can certainly look at them in detail and respond. Um but that will look a little bit strange. Um, we also have projected assumptions on what plans we think people will choose based on what they have chosen for this year. That's another pretty big difference. We had some people who chose um to forego or wave coverage when we had originally assumed they would take a family plan. So for budgeting for this coming year, we've been a little bit stuck a little bit closer to um what we think people are going to choose consistent with what they have taken this year. So that also doesn't quite jive with budgeting a 15% increase in healthcare, but we are budgeting a 15% increase um in our premiums. Just kind of the way it lines up looks odd. Um overall we're also recommending um a 4% increase in other benefit costs. We haven't received any renewal information yet from our broker. It's too early in the process. So we're just having to make some assumptions about what's going to go in there. So um that is what is in there for that. Including um an increase also of 15% assumed for a Minnesota paid family medical. Again don't have any quotes back. don't know what's going to happen. Um, we know there is a cap on the state plan. Um, but the state also hasn't released their data on what's going to happen with their plan. So, we've tried to be conservative um and put in an increase for that as well. Um, other cost categories just to keep in mind um we do not have [snorts] um taxable market value data yet. So really we are only talking tonight about dollar value levy. So don't have any impacts on what that does to our tax rate yet. So we're just kind of um you know the county takes their time as they should and so does um the department of revenue um when they're evaluating the share co- plant. So those are items we just don't have data on yet and those will be a little further down the line. You'll see for interest earnings that we are planning less conservatively for 2026. Um interest rates and investment balances both are outpacing our 25 numbers and we really um even though we have a few big items that we know we're going to spend on. We don't see a huge decrease in our cash balances uh at least for the next 12 months. So, we're going to plan a little bit less conservatively, put some additional interest income in to all the budget funds that have cash. So, you'll see um stronger interest for the general fund, for EDA, and for golf because those three funds um carry uh cash balances, so they get interest allocated to them. And then we're not going to cover um water or sewer at all tonight, but just so you know, plenty of things going on in the background on those two budgets as well. So, especially on the industrial side, we have several meetings with LPI during the process to keep them informed and to kind of collaborate on where we want to land on a on a few things. So, um so those things are all happening as well. >> Any questions on the assumptions? >> Any questions for Lori? Y >> makes sense to me. [clears throat] >> All right, then I'm going to uh talk through the next page. We're going to be on page four. Um part of this will look familiar because part of it you saw last week when we talked about CIP planning. So those blue um tabs under capital improvement levy, we've already covered. We looked at those in a good level of detail. So tonight we're going to be looking at the general fund, the community center, and the EDA. Um golf um detailed budgets um will be presented on August 5th along with their CIP. So we're not going to cover them tonight, although we do not anticipate that they would be looking for an operational levy. So I don't anticipate anything on this page would change when we present the golf budget. Um, so if we just walk through what you're going to see tonight, you will see the detail of the general fund levy. You will see the detail of the community center levy. And um, I will just point out on this front page because it's um, nice to talk about great things with the staffing changes that are being proposed. You do see a decrease in the community center portion of the general levy. Uh, so that's running all the way through. We also at this point you'll we'll talk about EDA tonight and you'll you'll get some information from Jacob, some options we have on the EDA levy and what's happening there. But right now this is rolling up with a with a reduction in the levy for EDA. So if we get all the way to the bottom, the total levy um amount that this level of detail would roll up to would be um 10,751,000 and that is a 2.41% 41% total dollar levy increase over 2026. And again, plenty of details to go through, plenty of places you can um have questions or or make recommendations or changes. Um but just to give you an overview of what you're going to see tonight, we like to tell you what we're going to tell you before we tell you. So, >> sounds like one of my lesson plans from school. Oh, [clears throat] you've heard that [laughter] before. Okay. Well, I am married to a teacher, so >> I figured he helped you on that. >> Right. >> Good. >> Right. Okay. Any questions on the overview before we move on to the detail? Okay. So, we're going to start with general fund revenue. We'll be on page five. Um, again, the first couple lines here are the tax lines, and you'll see all the detail tonight that rolls up to where those uh first two numbers come from. So, um I'm not going to spend a lot of time on that right now. We'll run through some of the other things. Um when we look at other revenue items, one of the items, um that we budget for is the mid-continent franchise fees. We're recommending that we reduce those in the budget plan just based on the trend. Those are franchise fees that they pay us um relative to how much they collect for cable. And so, obviously, that is not a trend that's increasing. And so we think it's um best to really plan that a little more realistically. The next line item to cover is the building permits for the city. That's a significant increase in revenue. You will also see when we get to the expense side, a significant increase in expenses for that item. So those two things are linked. We changed the fee schedule for building permits earlier this year when we switched our business model for how we provide um building inspection. And so you will see that on both sides of the ledger, revenue and expense. So that is really a flow through of making that change. Uh fire relief aid. This item we budget and it's a 100% pass through. So the number is different than last year on both the revenue side and the expense side. There is no change to the levy for what's happening with fire relief aid. The next item is police aid. We did increase our revenue budget for police aid. Um we're typically trying to go um on a 2-year lag to what we've gotten. So 2024 would be our base year. We got $100,894. So we are planning $100,000. It is totally uh a state number. We won't get the number until uh hold on. We just looked today. What was the date for police aid? >> Oh, it was uh September and it's paid out October 1st. >> There we go. So, we won't actually know the number uh for 26 until September [clears throat] >> of this year or next year. >> This year for for 26. So, for 27, that's why we just we do it on a bit of a leg, but we don't want to let it get too far behind because then we're levying for money that we we don't need. So this 100,000 that we would budget for potentially here, we won't even collect potentially till >> October of 2027. Yep. >> Okay. >> Um the other one to note on this page um local grants, the score grant dollar value um that we will collect as revenue has gone down significantly as has the expense side. So again, just making those two things um correspond to how they're really going to flow through. That grant has been restructured and so we only expect that we'll recover what we what we spend and we no longer spend for the grinding. The county is going to pay that part directly. Um the final one to note, we don't have any dollars um offsetting our levy budget at this point for electric generation transition aid. We do have some dollars in the general fund reserve for that that we have not applied to this budget at this time. So that's a discussion item that you guys can have as we go through the process of of where [snorts] we where we want to uh end up or what makes the most sense. On the next page, page six, um just to note, I know it's it's um something that we talk about every year. The BAC charges for services. Um, typically we have gotten um, money from the township um, to help defay the cost of the BAC. We do not we do not plan that as revenue. If it comes in, it is upside and we have not planned that as revenue again for 2027. So that's consistent. Um, but we do see other charges um, other collections are higher than they have been. So, we did plan an increase in revenue, but not um based on the township. The next section is community center charges for services. That's the revenue that the community center takes in based on their memberships. I'm not going to cover that in detail here cuz um Brandy is going to cover that when she goes through her detailed section on the community center. So, we're going to forego that discussion at this point and move on to page seven. um interest. You'll see on page seven, we are increasing the um revenue amount for in for interest in the 2027 budget. And that um is just trying we don't need to be as conservative as we have been in budgeting that because we see our cash balances through next year will still be strong and interest rates have continued to hold. So, we're we're going to be a little less conservative um on that item. And then um overall you'll see a total revenue um including including levy. This is the total revenue for the general fund increasing 4%. So as we go through the next uh couple of pages and we get to the bottom and it says general fund expenses are going to be an increase of 4%. So just to give you a baseline of where where we're starting the budget process. Um, I think that just kind of helps uh set the stage for what you're going to see. All right. Any questions on the general fund revenue at this time? >> We got the 4,800 for special assessments. What do what do we we typically don't special assess, I guess. What is that for? >> That is uh typically for um snow removal, weeds, things like that. >> That kind of special. Okay. >> Okay. Very good. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Thanks, Lori, for kicking it off. Good summary of things to expect. So, I will start out on the expenditure side. Um, I'll cover just uh kind of the starting point of general government. I'll really hit on the admin and finance. Um, so I'll try to make this part as fascinating as possible since it is the finance piece of the budget. Um, mayor and counsel really, uh, straightforward. Um, not much of a change there. Only $100 overall. So, went down.2% from 461 to 40, a little under 40 4647. So, not much of a change there. Uh, ad administration. Um, they're really just changing with uh step and cola increases. So, 3.5% up to 203,207. Um, no real changes in allocations um there from prior years. So, um, overall admin increase 3.4% really just on the wage side. Flipping the page, um, starting off with finance, personal services really there, 1.8%. Um, no change in allocations on that side. And then, um, really just some of the health insurance just follows uh, based on the prior year selections. So, you see the decrease, but just some changes in selections there. Um yeah, overall total finance up 1.6%. And then professional services that kind of falls under this bucket. Um some slight changes kind of just within the buckets within um the other services and charges overall. Um very minimal change. Um but we did rightsize legal fees. We were we we had it at 75,000 for multiple years. um brought that down to 55 just to be more in line with, you know, prior year trends, but also leave some room for things that might um might jump up. Um well, I'll touch on line 158 on the accounting fees. That's a significant uh increase. Um but we are planning for the intersection project with TKDA. Uh we should have federal fund uh expenditures over 750,000. So we will expect a single audit that's around $5,000. um for that single audit. Um as well as we do have some of the required um gazsby 75 and and 87. 87 is the lease standard where they evaluate our leases. Um 75 is our oped. So it's our other post-employment benefits. They have to do an actuarial just to prove what our liability um could be. So those costs um in there as well. And they're um not every year. They kind of um you have to do a more in-depth study uh every other year for those. So that bumped up um the cost there. And then uh insurance on line 167 um really that's just 8% increase from uh the prior year. So um you know based on um where where we're currently sitting with some of our modifiers, we felt that 8% was a good starting point um based on uh and always good to reset our our 206 actuals kind of reset with the building and some of the other changes where we're at. So we took the current year actual and just um added 8% for that. So overall professional services were were really consistent um with the prior year. Um gosh and then I'll just touch on the next page. Um just on the cemetery, we do budget for a contribution to the cemetery of $6,000 uh annually. So we'll um [snorts] continue to budget for that. Have they ever um [clears throat] expressed I mean I know I think it was 5,000 for 13 years ago and we you know we bumped it to six. I mean have they ever cuz I know it's one of those things we're constitutionally required to do is you know if they ever say throw us the keys and go we're out of here it would fall to us and public works or whoever to you know have to go take care of it. So, have they ever said >> I actually talked to >> one of the people once and they were very happy with what we've given them and they they literally said it was enough. [laughter] >> Okay. Well, >> heard the same thing. >> All right. That's one of those things that's always scared me that, you know, it would cost us probably a lot more than $6,000 to to if we were ever given that responsibility. So, I wouldn't I don't want I want to make sure I want to make sure they're happy. If it's if $1,000 was needed or something, I was okay. But no, if they're happy with six, that's that's fine. >> Okay. Otherwise, any other questions just on those few departments. All right. That I'll turn it over to Shannon to cover city hall. Good evening. Um, starting with wages, Lori went through the assumptions. Um, our department gets to see a decrease of 2.6%. Um, for supplies, we did increase the general operating just simply because of inflation. Um, we're anticipate that to go up. We did reduce tools and minor equipment by 50%. Um, a lot of that again has to do with the renovation of the building and um replacing a lot of items. Conferences, conferences and training, we increased that by 21% because we want to stay smart and we're going to training. Um, credit card fees, we reduce those. Uh the credit card fees that are in the general fund are only credit cards that or payments that are made for um oh gosh >> building permits or >> and like compost cards come through. Miscellaneous credit card fees get charged here and we don't get miscellaneous payments very often through PSN anymore. Most of them will come through as an a. Um, some of the bigger ones that we used to collect through PSN come as an a now and we don't pay credit card fees on those. >> We have some um, mobile food unit permits that come through on the credit card. So, there isn't a whole lot of fees there anymore. Um, telephone that has went down because we have um, transitioned to teams for um, that communication. And then utilities, we did bump that up just with the size of the building. Um, we've indicate or there's indicators that it's going to cost more for heating and cooling and at the end of the day it the budget expenses for this section go down 1.4%. Does anyone have any questions? Thank you very much. Now talk about planning. Everyone's favorite subject. Okay, maybe just mine. >> [clears throat] >> So, in the budget this year, there's a couple of things that I'll I'll note uh for planning. General operating, we've kept that kind of the same for quite a while. We don't generally exceed any of that, but in there just for tools or other equipment that we may need. So, that stayed at a thousand. Um you'll notice on conferences and training that stayed flat this year as well. So that includes a number of our APA, Minnesota APA conferences, uh some of the LinkedIn learning, prior learning that are online learning modules. And then one thing [clears throat] that you'll see in here that's a little new is the GIS LIS. Um so we do quite a bit with our GIS systems. And so that consortium is in there as well. Uh, professional services again stayed flat just as needed for land use applications is noted in there or if there's other legal or other grant writing that come up [clears throat] throughout the year. Publications, you'll notice that just as a reminder, we increased that a couple years ago. Publication dollar amounts have increased um the cost for that. So again, kept [snorts] it at 2,000. That's seems to be fairly uh kind of in the right category. So you'll notice in 2025 is around 1,700. Uh the one item I wanted to note that actually increased a little bit at 4.8% was the dues, licenses, and subscriptions. So by a,000. Our GIS software does increase every 3 years. So in [clears throat] 27 that'll come up for another renewal. It was more of a substantial increase due to some of their licensing restructuring. So but that spread across three different categories. of public works. Um, and I think that's across four different ones. Communication, which covers some of it in this. So, it's split three different ways, but that's why you're also seeing an increase in the dues, licenses, and subscriptions. And in addition to some AICP stuff for Austin as he's working on that and then we did include this year what's called D5 renders, we're going to start working on the frontage corridor. So that works in collaboration with some of our um CAD and SketchUp software as we do some more of the modeling. So it's three-dimensional imaging software. And then you'll notice that SmartGV so thing with licensing is they they never seem to decrease. They always just increase. So SmartGov increases as well. And that's in line with our contract that we've had with them. So [clears throat] um those are the increases there. And generally what you're seeing is that $1,000 increasing for 2.3% for planning. And with that I'll answer any questions >> for general operating. I mean we I know we kept it at a,000 there but you know looking back at 24 we did $105 for the whole year $493. >> This year we're at 190. So if you double it and say you know we're just round up a little bit call it 400. I mean, I don't sound like 500 bucks, but would we consider going to 500? >> We could. A lot of times, it's just in there as a contingency. I don't foresee any major things that come up this upcoming year. Some of the things we had in the past were some equipment for carin that she uses pretty often in her office. Just the treadmill that's used, it's pretty regular thing. So, but if it's that's of interest to you, I don't have an issue knocking it down. It won't really hurt our bottom line from [snorts] a planning standpoint. Well, help 500 bucks is what it'll do. >> So, it's all noted on here. We can do that. But again, I don't anticipate we don't have a lot of major expenses. Is there anything now that we've taken over or, you know, changed the permitting thing? Is there [clears throat] as far as like internal? [snorts] No, a lot of it still again works through smart gov. Um, Kin does a really good job with that. software-wise, she has what she need. A lot of it's in spreadsheets and and within SmartGov itself. So, I don't foresee any sort of those tools. And a lot of the paper and stuff has gotten reduced quite a bit because we don't use paper stuff anymore. So, yeah. Any other questions? And there questions for Jacob. Okay. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Oh, yeah. Hey, stick around. Sorry, I'm missing the other packet with the order. So, that's my fault. [clears throat] Um, building inspection. So, a couple of things to note. Again, this has a general operating. To your point, Rick, if that's something that council wishes to to reduce, you can. Um, the fuel and transportation, we knocked it down to 200. And again, that's for code enforcement. So, if we use the staff vehicle for enforcement visits or as we drive around for other uses, that's where that 200. So, it went from a,000 down to 200 because we don't have a full-time in-house building official anymore. Uh, the other ones to mention are, you'll notice a deduct or a reduction in conferences and training. Again, uh, we left a thousand in there cuz Karen does do stuff with that. And so, leaving some money in there for some trainings as they come up in her eyes to keep her up to speed. This is what Lori mentioned on the contracted services. So Karen does an awesome job of keeping our records uh really well. And again with Smart Good, that's made it much easier to know where we're standing on our our financial amounts. And so uh we averaged uh we took an average of $22,000 um a month for the next year cuz we did a look back at about 15 months. Karen did that was it average monthly. Some months were way less, some months were way more. For example, I think in June we'll have like a 40 something,000 invoice from Rum River. So if you average that out over annually, that's where that $264,000 is coming from. And that's 80% of the total fee. Um, we do see 85% on some of the bigger projects like if they're a school or if they're a delegated project like some of the industrial ones that may be 85% but 22,000 is 80% which is an average for the year. So that's what you're seeing. That's why the big increase in contracted services and then dues [snorts] licenses and subscription again increase uh related to smart gov. And that's it for building inspections. All right. Any questions there? >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right, police time. Um, starting kind of at the top, personnel. Um obviously the the bigger increase there was due to our addition of the sergeant position there for wages. So you'll see an increase there. Um some of the nice follow through from uh the work with our health insurance. Um you can see they're following through like Lori had mentioned on the um wages side of it. Overall supplies no changes there operating with the same uh same funds as we did last year for that type of equipment. Um and then other charges and services. Uh the biggest impact that we had to look at this year was uh for contracted services with the uh police remodel. In addition, there were some uh costs that were taken on for contracted services. We now have service plans with our birectional antenna that we added last year. Um that system. We've got service contract for our new um interview and recording uh system. We have the new scheduling software that you've been hearing about throughout um and then some additional fees with some like um printer company. Pretty pretty minor there. But those increases alto together um was why you see the increase in contracted services. Um cleaning fees too obviously bigger building takes longer to clean. Cleaning fees went up a little bit. So we tried to um grab onto all those and include those in that and that's why you see the increase there. um a safety budget uh we brought down a little bit that um is identified as safety in here. I'll call it community engagement that was developed when we did um safety camp. That was a little bit more of a financial um project for us. Um so we were able to take a little bit off of that line item. Uh we still do, as you're aware, a a lot of community engagement events, but we've worked really closely with our partners at the community center um as well to help facilitate some of those so that we're not using as many many funds to to host those events. Um um everything else carries kind of along. Um dues and licenses, just a minor change there, just with some some uh licenses that we didn't need anymore. That covers all the officers licenses. So that does eb and flow a little bit uh depending on the year that they renew. So uh that being said um that's what I have for police. Any questions? No. >> Okay. Thank you for your time. >> Okay. So on the bottom of page 14, you'll see the fire budget. Um that is consistent. I believe with your um budget that was approved last night. So that is that is in here. >> I'll just touch on it may look unique, but we did confirm um sorry lawyer for jumping in. Uh the fire relief contribution at 146. So the fire relief did transition to the state plan. So the state will now submit those supplemental benefits directly to them, but for accounting purposes, we're required to record them on our books. So you'll continue to see the revenue and the expense within our budget even though we're really just going to record the the the total amounts, but the funds will go directly to the state. >> So just more of an FYI on how it works with the system. >> And that's the 2%. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> The state can do a better job of handling that. [laughter] >> All right. streets and parks. >> Um so as a taxpayer myself, my goal is always to keep the numbers as flat as possible. Um goal being maintaining all the infrastructure that falls under the title of public works and doing it uh effectively and in the mind of the taxpayer so that the dollars that are entrusted us are spent wisely. >> Yeah. Um, street side, public works side, personnel services saw a modest increase, $838 from 26 to 27, so less than 1%. Lor's kind of alluded to healthc care cost savings, uh, being a help in that area. >> Um, under the supplies section, uh, saw a slight decrease of $500. So again, less than 1%, 26 to 27. Couple areas to note. line 351, general operating. Um, we have an asset management program that we use to track and uh all the maintenance that we do for all the assets within the public works department. Um, we originally were in with one company, that company was purchased and the new company kind of as Jacob alluded to, they seem to always kind of change things. So >> [snorts] >> uh originally we're our original set we had a set number of users and um we were grandfathered in and now uh to get an unlimited number of users so we can expand it to maybe other departments within the city um we we'll move to enterprise fund. So uh accounted for an uptick to do that and then that is spread between all areas of public works. So, uh, parks, streets, su, uh, sanitary, so domestic and industrial, water and storm. And then line 352, fuel transportation. I decreased that slightly just based on our annual average spending over the last I look at least five years back. I have further back, but um, so we've been spending less than what we've been budgeted for. So, just pulled that down a little bit. And then other services and charges. The final section. Um again, I didn't put a little note there. A couple areas to look at with that line 374 repairs and maintenance for storm. Um I did not dedicate any money for that asset management program to storm previously. Um so because we do also track storm assets with that, I did add some money in there to help cover that cost. uh line 380, our compost site. Uh so the yardway site did change. Lori kind of alluded to that. Um with discussions last year with the county, um the county has changed uh how they handle those funds. They now do the bidding for the grinding. Uh they coordinate the grinding with the the contractors and then they pay the invoices directly. So um more of the money is staying with the county and they're handling more of that part of the work. We still get score funding that'll help cover some of our costs at the site. Um, you know, if there's control work that we have to do with the gate, electrical costs, internet. So, we're still getting uh funding, but having enough money in the budget to help cover the costs that the score funds that we get do not cover. And then line 3D1, our recycle day. I just decreased that a little bit based on just what we've spent over the last five years. It's the annual average. So, again, that one we get score funding for that. the score funds have covered the majority of those costs. So, just trying to keep that in line with what we actually spend. >> What caused the So, 2024 on cleanup day there, we have 11, you know, almost $12,000. What caused it to go from 12,000 to 4,000? Was it just grants or was it like moving out to Northern Metal or what caused that big drop? >> Northern Metal was a big part of it. So they were able to take things and defay costs that we used to have to pay for just because it's on their site and or things that services that they can provide as far as processing some of the recyclables. So yes, that was a >> Well, one of the things that they did was I think we used to have to pay for batteries and Northern Metal takes them >> last year. They took batteries for the first time. Yep. >> At no charge. >> Yep. >> Because they get money for them. It's a win for us though. Yeah. Yep. So, no, it not only is it a great site to have it, there are added benefits. So, so overall the the budget for uh public works, you see a difference of about $61,000 decrease from last year or 4.4%. >> That's what I like to hear. >> So, most of that is the >> sticker. Yeah. Sweet. >> So most of that is the compost. So, right, that's 60,000. So, >> yeah. And I mean, the healthc care benefits, too, is a big part of that shift, too. So, Yep. >> Yeah. 30,000. Yeah. >> Still get a sticker. Yeah. >> Take it. Better than kick in the pants. All right. Parks. Uh, so the overall operating budget for parks in 27 will be up slightly from 26. Uh it is good to note that we did add a park here starting in 26. So Sand Hill Park is now part of our park system. Um this will add some additional maintenance uh and repair duties for public works. Uh overall the budget um operational budget spending in 27 will only slightly increase from what it was in 26 even with that added park. Uh if we look at the first section uh personnel services personal services uh remain flat 26 to 27. Um Lori kind of alluded to why that stayed that way. Uh under our supplies section, uh we'll have about a $10,000 increase from 26. So that's overall about 17%. Uh line 416, general operating, that went up about $1,400. Again, that's to account for moving to the enterprise uh version of Open Gov for asset management. Uh line 418, landscape materials. We did increase that by $8,500 or 28%. Um, when Phil went through the park cip, we had several line items in the park cap that were covering turf and or irrigation at parks. What I struggled with was I felt like almost like you'd have to try to create a project when there wasn't one that needed to be done. Uh, a lot of turf maintenance and irrigation repairs we do operationally as needed. So, uh, we took those out of the CIP and then we increased some of the money we have in the landscape materials to account for, uh, those items for either irrigation repair, maybe added seed, added black dirt, those kind of things. If we need to do that, we would do it, uh, as it comes available. We wouldn't plan a big project out of our CIP. And then we also uh, with Jesse's addition, he was a landscape in his background. So, uh, we did add a little money for some colored wood chips as well cuz he likes to, uh, round trees and things instead of using the ones that we create when we grind trees up. He wanted it to be a little more appealing to the eye, especially in parks. So, we did add some money for that just for trees. So, like at at the park at the BAC, it's uh the chips now are a little more presentable than what we used to use in the past. So, um, and then we're also accounting for fertilizer and weed control and then field paint. And we do have, you know, the usage at the BAC is very strong. So, just wanted to make sure we have enough funding to make sure we can paint all the lines that are necessary for all those users. So, uh, next section, other services and charges. We have an increase of about $12,900. So, it's about 11% increase from last year. Uh, telephone was one area that we increased. Um, it's quite a bit. So we do have internet that we use for parks at public works itself but we also have internet at cobar and city park buildings. Um so accounting for the charges we get for that we do uh charge some of the cell phones that we have for public works staff to the parks budget and also the streets budget. Um and then there was some costs related to going to the teams calling and things. So that was worked into that line item. Uh line 430 refu and sanitation. Um we did see an inc or we increased that by 6,000 I increased that by 6,000 which is about 35 uh% just to kind of meet what our average spend has been for both garbages throughout our park system and then our rental of of the portable toilets. So um you know we added archery parks, there's another one there and then just going through and we have quite a few. We will add one at the BAC um before youth baseball starts to accommodate like the school ball when they use those fields. So there's some uh movement and things with different uh with those portaotties. So just accounting for those costs. Uh line 432 repair and maintenance equipment and vehicles. Just a slight increase there. Kind of looking at what our average spend has been. And then obviously no nothing related to parts is getting cheaper. So we with with costs going up there just trying to account for that and make sure we're prepared. So again, overall the operational budget for parks in 2027 saw an increase of about $23,000. So again, 4.4%. So pretty happy with trying to keep her where it was, especially with adding a park. And with that, I can answer any questions. Any questions for Chris on parks? >> All right. Thank you very much. >> [snorts] >> Nice to see you again. Um, so I'll talk about the community center budget. Um, first thing you might notice is that the levy has decreased by $27,37753 um, from 2026. So, as I work through this, I'll note a combination of increased revenues and cost-saving adjustments that con contributed to that reduced levy. Um, starting on page 17, line 22, uh, increased revenue source. We started that Becker clothing line that you may have seen with the Snuffy's Landing shirts and sweatshirts and stuff. So, we've seen a revenue increase on that. Anticipate more as we continue to update that line and sell those products. Um we're working on a few different things right now. So line 24, our seasonal user fees, that's our memberships. Uh we are pacing really well, anticipating to end this year above the 2026 goal. Um so we adjusted that for 2027 to reflect that. Line 206, program revenue. um just decrease that line to show based on past trends in 2026 pacing. Line 28 is another fun one. We have been seeing a increase in building rental revenue. Um so we adjusted the 2027 goal to reflect that. That's possibly we're guessing from um Civic Rex streamlining the rental process, making it a little bit easier for people just to go ahead and go online and book. Also collecting fees has been a big part of that. um because we're collecting everything on site right away before booking rather than having to hunt people down and up and down losing rentals and whatnot. So, so that's a nice update. Um 2020 or line 34, the Adventure Zone program revenue. Uh since I've been involved in Adventure Zone, we've taken on more students than they have taken before. And so that increased revenue just from more students paying daily tuition fees. We also raised the rates in Adventure Zone um effective June of 2026 based um just to make us a little bit more competitive with the programs in the area. We are still quite a bit less than a lot of the area programs in the area. Um but so that can contribute to that increase as well. So the 2027 target shows uh an increase to reflect the rate increase and more students based on pacing. on the next page now under expenditures you'll see right away on uh lines 68 and 69 the wages that would reflect that from so 100% of the special events and fitness coordinator was being coded to the part-time wages which is line 69 and that was 50% of those wages were reallocated to the full-time scale or full-time line on line 68. So you'll see that line will is now a combination of myself, the admin technician, and 50% of the special events and fitness coordinator. Um, so you'll see that increase and decrease on those two lines. Line 75 will also show the health insurance adjustment with 50% of the special events and fitness coordinators health insurance on that line as well. Um line 85 uh is eliminating the general operating line and consolidating it into contracted services. Uh that's just because I don't I usually I can code everything into other categories that I haven't used general operating and don't prefer to use it. So consolidating that into contracted services where it is most more often used. um line of 106 uh utilities. We decreased that by 15,000 due to past trending usages and upgrades to more efficient equipment leads us to believe we'll continue to stay on track with that. Um the next page under maintenance, one of the big things here is you'll see um an increase in the wages for part-time. So line 125 uh we we terminated the contract with the cleaning services that we were using and went to an internal cleaning model similar to what was done years ago at the community center uh just due to performance issues and not not working out for us. So we went back to hiring internally. So you'll see on line 150 that we had a reduction in the contracted services and then was reallocated into the line 125 wages to compensate for the the staffing. Now, [snorts] um, next page under aquatics, page 20, aquatics, similar to what you saw on the last page, uh, lines 168 and 169 in increase. Actually, that's an addition the full-time uh, line item that wasn't there before. So, we added a full-time line item for the new full-time program coordinator. uh and 50% of their wages is coded to that line. So you'll see a decrease from the part-time and then an increase into the full-time under adventure zone lines 206 and 207. Similar thing there where you'll see an increase in the full-time and a decrease in the and full-time again wasn't there prior to this. So that was added for this >> question on adventure zone. Um so I know of as we in because we show an increase in revenue. So, as we've increased in revenue that we start having to add more people, I guess do we think we got that uh covered for as far as additional staffing? >> Yep. Yep. So we operate at a ratio and we calculate based on that. But um because also just a note because we're not a licensed or certified program, we we try our best to stay within a 1:15 ratio which is standard, but we can fluctuate a little bit outside of that too as needed just cuz we're not a statelicicensed program and we're a recreational camp. So we can accommodate >> within a little bit of reason on that. But yeah, but we stay to that 115 1 to 15 the best we can and that is reflected. Um, so yeah, uh, we were on adventure zone and then lines 218 and 219, same thing. Uh, eliminating the general operating and consolidating it into the supplies budget in that case. Page 21 under fitness, same kind of concept across the board. We added a full-time wages line. So that is new and that is 50% of the special events coordinator and fit fitness coordinator's wages and then 50% of the insurance on line 242. Um and then we adjusted the line 249 to increase program supplies. That looks like a substantial increase, but you can see over the past year's trends that that's a pretty steady uh usage. Um, so we increased it to actually show that the large majority of that budget is the wipes that go towards cleaning the fitness equipment. And so we're just kind of right now exploring different opportunities for that that maintain the life of our equipment and then also uh are easy to use and convenient. So hopefully we can reduce that a little bit too. But that is what we have spent in previous years on those. >> Oh, so we spent $8,900 in 2025 actual and our budget was a thousand bucks. [clears throat] >> Yes, correct. So, and you can see that in I think previous years too. It was quite a bit of a jump from what we have spent in the past on those wipes. Um, and that is the primary expense in that line. There's very few other things. So, those wipes can be pretty spendy. Um, and then lastly, you'll see the Freedom Days budget. Uh, so line 272 holds the city donation. That's the donation that the city contributes to Freedom Days. And that's just being uh as a group we agreed to consolidate that down into the Freedom Days Entertainment Fund which you can see below just because that's how we processed the donations this year and that's where it went this year and it just makes sense that it's all in the same to instead of having extra line items. So again overall um the levy for 2027 has decreased by about $27,000. >> [snorts] >> So, do we have any questions? >> Another sticker. >> Yeah, I want a sticker. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. So, I'll touch on just a a few more items or I'll touch on the I'll touch on the general fund uh kind of the summary. Then I'll have Jacob touch on EDA and then I have a few just remaining items. But um page 23 just takes all that information that we just talked about and just puts it into a nice um a nice summary there. So um starting on the top of page 23 have the revenues there showing that 3.1% increase in the property tax levy on the general fund side. um see some you know adjustments within some of those other categories but overall total revenue increase of uh 4% up to 7.8 million. [snorts] Um going down there um into the different departments, we have general government. They're increasing $14,000. Um little less than 1%. Public safety. That's where with you know really driving the change on the building inspection side. I have that increase of 13.4%. A little over 300,000. Um next page 24. Public works. Chris and his sticker decreased 4.4%. Um, good there. Culture and wreck on the park and wreck site increased right around 4%. And then Brandy, a lot of great strategy there on the community center um at 1.7%. So total uh culture and wreck or really the park system as a whole uh increase of 2.3 and then overall expenditures of 4%. So, it gives you a nice summary of of all of that data that we talked rolled into a a nice little summary chart. So, with that, uh, with no questions there, I'll turn it over to Jacob to touch on EDA. >> Sounds good. Thank you. >> I don't know if there will be a sticker for this one, but we'll have some robust discussion. >> Um, robust discussion. >> I don't know. tired. [laughter] >> Maybe it won't be robust. Sorry. >> Seat belt. >> Clearly, I'm choosing good words tonight. I said bottom line when I meant material. Anyway, um all right, EDA. So, generally, not there there's a number of changes that I want to touch on just related to um the expenditure side. You know, Rick, to your point on the supplies piece, if you know, general operating and tools are sitting at a thousand each. We haven't spent that over the last couple years. So, if that's a reduction, again, it won't we don't have major expenses coming up this year. Um, so those are some spots you could reduce if you would wish to, and that's on the general operating tools. So, rather than,000, you go to 500 as well. So, they're set at 1,000 for now. Um, again, it leaves us some breathing room should something come up. On the legal fees, we bumped to just a,000. We didn't need use any in 25, but that's one of those areas that we don't know when something might come up. So, we want to leave funds in there even outside of the general legal funds. Um, conferences and training. So, you'll notice that remained flat. Uh that also includes some stuff for Karen as well um in her position and then uh some bleed over into Austin as well for elders. The biggest parts are on this contracted services professional services promotion. So you'll notice a bunch of numbers. One says it increased 239% but another decreased by 100. So there was some shifting around of funds for this and this is related to the use of EDA reserves and um the 212 acres for so the EDA reserves uh assumes 50k of that would be used to fund the AU update. So if you recall that was adopted back in 2023. It needs to be updated through 27 so it can be adopted again at the beginning of 28. So first quarter of 28 sometime statute requires those be updated every 5 years to remain valid. 50k we got um the quote from the firm who did that previously which again is um they have a lot of efficiencies they could pick up should they take this on and again 50k was what they would anticipate for updating an AU. The other piece to this is uh we got a couple of different quotes for the EAW for the 212 acres. So statute requires if we're over a certain amount number of units on a property. So in this case for cities of our size uh that don't have certain comp plan requirements that statute details which ours doesn't uh the maximum number of attached units that you can do without doing an EAW is 100 uh un unattached excuse me and attached is 150. So it's not a very high threshold and you have to consider all of the land that you own adjacent. So it's not as if you can just plat a portion and say, "Hey, we only have 25 units." The statute requires that you include every single piece of land that you own >> as if it were fully. >> Correct. As if it were fully developed. So in order to give us even though we don't have a developer on this property, it helps to the marketability of the property by completing the EAW in advance and having it finalized. It's a big benefit um economically. So, and it reduces a number of, you know, it's a five or six month time frame to go through that EAW. So, you're also reducing that timeline. >> 40K do an EAW without having a project right in front of you. >> Yeah, you can. So, we've got proposals concept-wise, but if you don't, what you do is you take the minimum um what do you call that? The minimum density under your zoning code. Um there is a trigger point for an EIS, but yeah, I think we do have a conceptual layout for this. It contemplated 200 and something units. So if you were to utilize that, you could. Otherwise, it would be to this. Greg, were you going to say something? >> I was going to say the other thing that's that's putting this on on for next year is we have those lots on Jade. We have city property on Jade that got improved this year. We will rope those in. So we can sell those. We can't do anything with those until we do the AW because we can't look at those lots in isolation because we own 212 acres next to it. So, we're just going to look at the whole thing and then we'll be able to sell those lots. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> Okay. But because it's close enough to what we >> Yeah. >> a project would be it's we think it's going to be housing. It's going to be housing. We think it's going to be roughly x amount of units. It'll come in pretty close. So, because of that, we can close enough to do an AW and not a AU. >> Yeah. you would you we talked about doing an AUR. The issue with the there was an AUR out there previously from 2004 for Riverbend. It was never updated. Um the reason a lot of these development projects have been able to come through without doing them is because they're under the density that was contemplated by that entire development when it went in. It also included, I believe, some of the Hammer property. We discussed whether to do an AUR, but where are the limits? How much land are you going to include? Is it city-owned property? Is it also a number of private development properties? Um, it's also more time extensive and it has to be updated every 5 years versus the EAW which doesn't. Yeah, good point. >> Right. On that AUR, will we look at I know another community was sued over there and the the courts was is that applicable to us? Is there something additional we're going to have to do with our AUR? >> On the AUR, no, I think the it's a standard update. Again, the one quote we got was from Stantech who did it before. They're very aware of the statutory requirements. Ours was one of the first ones to include um G greenhouse gases, GHC, which was a mandated requirement added about 5 years ago, four years ago. Um there's also a couple other things that they did include in this on they recognize kind of public engagement and those things that are more substantial because they have gotten more substantial. I think the one that I'm thinking of the one you're referring to where they got sued. I think it was because they they omitted or they it was the was it the greenhouse gas where they used a really really low number. It was um very uh like like we're talking like I think it was like 90% and they said 2% or something like I mean it was huge. Yeah. >> My point being if we needed to spend a little more to make it more defensible later I would >> Okay. you know, >> and that's good to know because the other discussion we had is I mean we could certainly one of the questions I asked is um on the EAW and the AU, you know, I think the AR they were pretty comfortable with the 50k. We do have substantial reserves in place in the EDA. So you're sitting on around a million dollars and we've talked about that even with some of the stuff that we're talking about using it for. Should there be additional costs? They're like, you should probably include this. There is the EDA reserves to use. One of the questions for you tonight was, well, you could increase the levy. Um, so on the EAW specifically, 40K was kind of their baseline. If there are other like a traffic study or phase 1 ESA or those like a wetland delineation that we required, you'd have to include those. Again, we're reviewing our own EAW. It's a little interesting. So, somebody's creating it. we're reviewing it as the RGU. One of the things Greg and I talked about today is maybe bumping that to 50K for the EAW. And then if there's again additional expenditures that come out of the state reviewing because anytime you do an EAW of these, it has to go to the departments of the state and a certain list for review. So if there are additional items that come out of that, use of the reserves would be a possibility. Otherwise, you could increase the levy. But your reserves are in such a place that >> it's a good use of it economically >> for sure. >> Makes a lot of sense. >> It's kind of a one-time almost a capital but not capital type of purchase. So >> So you'll notice that money has been shifted a little bit. We reduced like the promotion line by quite a bit because we don't use that as much. A lot of that's just for swag and materials. It was it was kind of maxed for a number of years because maximizing the levy. At this point, it's shifting some of those dollar amounts around to put more in the professional services line as well for EAW and other items. And then um you'll notice on dues, licenses, and subscriptions again an increase of a,000 smart gov that includes and just some other of the membership dues that increase on an annual basis. So generally not like huge increases in all the other categories. It's just shifting around and trying to tackle these environmental documents that we have to do. >> Sure, sounds good. Any questions for Jacob on the EDA? >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. Um I'll touch on debt service. Uh so that's the chart with the nice um bar graphs on there. Um so we currently have the two issues of debt outstanding. The 2021A which was primarily related to the street reconstruction projects and then a 24A lease revenue um that relates to the uh building uh police and city hall building. So, uh, for pay 27, um, just a slight increase up to the 1.5 million. Um, we do have, um, we are sitting really good on the legal, uh, debt margin side. Um, the 21A bond is the only one that applies to the margin. So, um, your debt limit is set at 3% of your taxable market value. So, um, as of last year, uh, we were at 38 million total, offset [clears throat] by the 5 million. So still have around 33 million of legal uh debt margins. So really good for a city of our uh of our size. Um I think really the story here is we do have capacity as we roll out to 2032. You know as that 21A looks to um get paid off. uh we would have the ability to either issue additional debt or um kind of restructure where those levy dollars are are levied and used for as we really focus on um you know kind of solidifying our capital improvement plan. So looking at streets and some of the others where we could reposition some of that levy um and and be strategic on it but have some have some levers to pull. um really as we looked at even with the 21A issuance the fall off in 2031 was very strategic on you know the current circle plans and what was happening across the street. So um depending on where that all navigates we might have some additional time there but um good to have that opportunity um out there in the future. So really the story there looking really good um [clears throat] on the debt on the debt service side. So currently uh after 2026 there'll be 5 million outstanding for the 21A and then another 5 1/2 um on the lease revenue. So both um very um some some nice short structures for that debt we paid off soon. All right. So then just to wrap up um the overview summary. So there's that smaller the smaller chart that Lori had touched on on the front really that's you know that's the you know circle back from what um Lori had initially um discussed. Um so they're looking at an operating levy um within the general fund. Um actually I won't call it within the general fund but um we did I I will note the EDA we did switch that. You would have seen it on your tax statements this last year. we we switched that from a special um levy to just part of the general levy and that was strategic um because of transition aid that special levy would not qualify under the transition aid bucket. Um so we do issue that just under our general levy um even though it is outside we do allocate those funds directly to the EDA fund. It does come in through that levy. So overall looking at increasing from the uh 6.2 2 million up to 64 uh and then the overall at the 2.4 uh% at least the way it's structured now. Uh and then we will be revisiting um just the remaining uh capital uh items within there that are not identified in blue. So that'll be um the pieces that we bring back the streets community center uh and then Pebble Creek Golf. So the insurance, so last year when we saved the 10%, we didn't apply all that to the um budget last year, we kept some of that knowing that we were going to see an increase it. We didn't want to see it, you know, ski hills and cliffs, but um so we did not account for that. Then this year, that part that we put aside last year, that's not accounted for in this current budget then. Correct. >> Correct. So, you know, the the underrun last year that we would have had say on healthcare um would have been um transitioned over the future improvements fund. So, any excess over our minimum fund balance threshold. Um but it also allowed for the steady levy. So without without carrying forward those that that additional budget, we would have seen some much steeper increases in our current levy. >> That makes sense. >> It move Okay. >> Yeah. Future improvements. >> So So it allowed us to set some additional funds aside. Um, so if we did have some overruns, we can always bring them back from future improvements, but also allowed us to keep that levy a little more steady because if we would have if we would have um included that 10%, our levy would have dropped and then we immediately would have said, "Oh, here we go again um and and pull that in. So, um you know, if we did have some budget pressures and you know, there there would be options to pull some of those reserves and offset um some of those, but you know, based on where the levy is currently sitting, you know, there's not a lot of, you know, need to offset some of those changes with with those set aides. But there may come a time where, you know, we could pull from those with future if we had some future pressures on on some of the levy, right? So really theoretically we we're just looking at a actual 4.2% increase because that 10.8 was left there. >> Otherwise, we would have saw a legitimate budget number at 15% higher. >> Yep. Oh, you're talking just for health insurance. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yep. That's a good way to think of it. >> 15 assuming they come back in at table max, >> right? >> Which >> we get that number next month. You said >> healthcare. Forget timing of that. >> August, September maybe. >> Yeah, September. But if we got it set at the max, it the only place it can go is down from what we budgeted for or equal or down. So >> yeah, we're hopeful. They they prepared us for the full 15 when we met with Gallagher just to kind of walk through mainly because they were really competitive on getting us in and with healthc care costs the way they're at. But still let that it's not we were able to kind of that compounding effect. we're able to absorb so much of that decrease that it it it really take multiple years. Um really puts employees in a good position and the city I mean it is a big number. I think it's you know almost a million dollars now. >> Yep. >> So it's a big number. >> It was north of 900 I think when we Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. So that's the overview summary. Can definitely take any more questions there. Um but really just laying the groundwork for next steps. So August 5th, we'll have the exec session where as I mentioned, um you know, governmental funds, um any any kind of remaining stuff, we could always circle back on certain pieces, but we'll have the Pebble Creek Golf uh uh operations as well as the the capital um second meeting in August, we'd circle back with the the capital for for streets and and uh BCC. Um and then uh September 1st preliminary budget levy approval. We could consider that depending on where we're at. That could be an opportunity. Um a lot of times we're just getting the values from the state around that time. So, it may make sense um you know for that September 15th, but we'll definitely see where those you just never know where the appeal process comes in that if they settle sooner and we have good data and we're comfortable um we could definitely look at the first meeting, but would always roll to the second. Yeah, I' I'd like to make sure we have that number if especially knowing that we have that flexibility of going to the 15th if we have it. >> And the county's always coming in with some final changes, you know, even before that prelim. So, you know, we'll have their data, but the county still, you know, has some some moving levers before Bonnie's sending me, you know, their preliminary estimate um for where they're at. And we usually try to be conservative with that. So, we'll we'll pull it down a little bit just so we we don't um get surprised. But, >> have they received their number yet? >> Yeah. >> What they want to appeal or >> Yep. >> They started the appeal process. >> Their appeal due date was yesterday. >> They didn't miss it, did they? >> Yeah. I [laughter] >> I don't think so. They even allowed they allowed some organizations >> and dream, man. Come on. >> Some organizations there was even a comment that they they like extended the time frame for the appeal. I didn't know that was a thing, but they can get extensions on when they could decide if they wanted to appeal. So, um, so probably won't get data super quick. We may get an update just to confirm that they appealed lot. We'll get updates through the virtual site. So, we might get a new gives you a summary of of where all the businesses are at. >> Do we know what the prelim number was up down like the base number? >> Nope. Don't have any no data yet. Really just have dates. >> Okay. >> Really just have dates. If I could break through that barrier with the state, that would be awesome. But there's still a black box of how it all happens. So, >> yeah. >> Double secret probation, huh? >> Yeah. >> All right. Any final questions for Mark? >> No. >> Awesome. Well, thank you all for the time tonight. Thank you everyone for being here. >> Thanks everyone. I know that's a lot of work and thank you for what you did. >> Josh, why you didn't present tonight? soldier [laughter] >> dream about that hole in one. Uh >> yeah. >> Oh yeah. Going to have a t-shirt on for the next one that >> Yeah. >> I went to Pebble Creek and all I got was this hole in one. >> Yeah. >> You know, I wasn't there that day. >> What's everybody doing right now? You Everybody Yeah, they got stars. Did you get a >> Oh, yes. It's too much. Okay. All right. Well, we'll adjourn the executive session at 7:09. >> Thank you, everybody. >> Stop it. That was a lot of numbers. Numbers are hard. [laughter] Fighter.