allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all adam will you please call the roll mayor st ours here council member carlson here council member doll aye councilmember gilmore here councilmember hanson here all present that takes us to the approval of tonight's agenda are there any questions comments additions uh to the agenda stance madam mayor we had a late application for a liquor license a temporary liquor license for derby days that staff would like to request be added to the consent agenda this is the same application that we get every year but it is time sensitive any other questions comments or additions if not which i'm like to make a motion to approve tonight's agenda with this edition i'll make a motion to approve tonight's agenda with adding to the consent agenda number nine for renewable liquor license or application for liquor license sounds good thank you connie is there a second i'll say again thank you michelle adam roll call thank you mayor mayor councilmember carlson aye councilmember hanson aye councilmember dahl aye councilmember gilmore aye mayor stars aye as all that takes us to our proclamations accommodations petitions and announcements and the first is the july recycling award recipient is christina cook at 354 fifth street north who will be awarded for her recycling efforts with funding made possible with a grant from washington county so thank you ms cook for your recycling efforts the second is that we have the pleasure of having a letter of accommodation to for police officer brittany lepowski and so i'll call upon chief eastman and officer lepovsky thank you madam mayor and council the other officers here are here to support officer lepowski and her letter that she's receiving today and they're on their own volunteer time but they chose to wear their uniforms i appreciate that it looks professional thank you for coming in tonight that's fine you're fine officer lepowski i'm presenting this letter of accommodation to her for her actions during a tragic incident in 2019 at that time officer lepowski was assisting another agency with a mental health crisis officer lepowski assisted with immediately taking action as she started cpr until paramedics arrived on scene officer lepowski then assisted with securing a very chaotic scene i wish to formally recognize officer lepowski for her response to this incident the situation had the propensity to become very dangerous yet she acted swiftly placing others well-beings before her own personal safety i commend you for your attentiveness your attempted life-saving measures and your commitment to the safety of your partners and the public your actions reflect upon your outstanding ability and compassion for others as well as a possibility and the positively representing both the city of bayport and the police department thank you for your commitment to the residents of bayport the surrounding communities that you so proudly serve and all of your community engagements that you do most recently over the past five years so great congratulations officer thank you thank you thank you and thanks officers for all attending that's great it's nice to see you be safe have a good night excellent so that takes us to our open forum which is 15 minutes of the meeting that we set aside for items that are not on tonight's agenda and um adam do we have any we don't have anybody attending uh in the chambers or online oh well we have one person um actually online i'm sorry madam here uh mr mike huntley from the youth service bureau okay and so we plan to hear from mr huntley at this time is that correct yes he should uh mike can you hear me yes sarah now i'm unmuted and i'll turn on my camera there we go great welcome all right good evening mayor and council members and residents of bay park my name is michael huntley i am the executive director of youth service bureau and i'm very pleased to be with you this evening some of you might know of youth service bureau and for some this might be new information i'll keep this brief so you can get on with your business ysb is a non-profit organization providing a whole variety of services throughout much of washington county we've been operating since the 1970s and we appreciate bayport's long-standing partnership and support that support helps us to keep our services available by providing and being able to offer a sliding fee scale to families in need we take pride in our five main program areas we offer diversion that's an early intervention program for youth that have made a mistake and could be processed through the juvenile justice system diversion offers a whole variety of interventions that have a restorative justice quality to them it's an alternative to court and to further legal consequences for youth 87 percent of youth who complete our diversion services do not become re-involved with law enforcement for at least a year after those services we also provide youth focused family counseling services this is early intervention designed to address concerns and prevent those concerns from getting larger in the future our counseling services are provided by licensed mental health professionals and we offer them through in-person or telehealth options about 84 percent of parents report that within three months of starting our counseling services the reasons that brought them in for service in the first place have become improved we also offer school-based chemical health supports in our local high school and the middle schools to improve the students opportunities for success we support the chemical health needs of youth and families in a variety of ways including groups individual meetings presentations in the community and other school-based services about 80 percent of youth who access these services report that they have an increased resilience to using drugs or other chemicals as a coping mechanism we have our military family support program that's actually our newest service about two or three years old now and that is designed to support and assist families of deployed service members and we also have our youth and family education program this program brings information to youth to parents to caregivers other adults in the community who support teens and children the goal of that program is to provide practical tools and information and resources that can be used to talk to their kids set and enforce boundaries and help kids figure out conflicts with either their peers or siblings or other adults we can prevent on or present on a whole variety of topics through this program so thank you for your patience as i've been sharing about what we do i'd also like to thank you again for bayport's continued support to make these services possible and finally if i can take just a couple more minutes i'd like to walk you through a little bit of the previous calendar year now we're all familiar with the sudden ups and downs of 2020 and it had been a year of massive unpredictability we know this was stressful on everyone parents kids communities with the onset of the pandemic we closed our doors in march of 2020 at all three of our youth service bureau locations and we shifted very quickly into delivering our services via telehealth however you know we weren't even expecting to do that of course but what we soon discovered was that a very large number of families indicated that they preferred in-person services and were not interested in the telehealth option and these families put a hold on services until an in-person option was available so i'm very proud to share with you that in response to that need and with lots of preparation and planning we reopened our doors in august of 2020 so that in-person therapy services could could continue again and since then we continue to offer options for families they can do telehealth they can do in-person or we can mix and match depending on what works best for a family and i'm really proud of our staff who worked hard to make this happen so that client families could have services with the pandemic and a drop in the overall numbers of youth served we still served at least 19 youth who reside in bayport and we provided over 126 hours of services to those youth we provided one educational presentation within the bayport city limits that was attended by about 75 people and we did many more presentations nearby in the community reaching over about three thousand individuals last year the city of bayport supported our operations with a fifteen hundred dollar level of support ysb is asking if bayport could increase that by three percent and come up to fifteen hundred forty five dollars in support for the upcoming year this increase would help us with our increased costs related to the pandemic and new items and equipment that we need to keep delivering our services and maintain the quality and accessibility for families thank you again for your solid partnership and i can answer any questions if if anyone on the council has those thank you so much it's great informative presentation and you're a great partner it's a wonderful organization you had a very good track record of success and i know that chief eastman really appreciates being able to work with you thank you yeah so with that does the council have any other questions or topics all right well thank you so much for joining us and we'll be reviewing our budget we had a workshop earlier tonight and we'll be continuing through that process over the next month and a half and so you'll be hearing from us shortly okay thank you thank you okay that takes us to this evening's consent agenda where we will consider items now one through nine including the july 12 2021 city council workshop minutes the july 12 2021 city council regular meeting minutes the july payables and receipts the july plumbing building mechanical and zoning permits report the appointment of alan eisinger as fire chief for a three-year term from july 2021 to july 2024 the donation of toys to the police department from nancy alderman the approval of hiring an accounting specialist the special event application from marie adukovic for inspiration neighborhood block party on august 20 2021 and the latest edition of a one-day liquor license applied for by the afton bay port lakeland lions club would anyone have any questions or would someone like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda i'll move to adopt the resolution of the august 2nd 2021 consent agenda as presented and read by the mayor thank you john is there a second i'll second thank you very much ethan um all in favor oops do we need we need to vote sorry with an expenditure yeah madame uh with that council member doll aye councilmember gilmore aye councilmember hanson aye councilmember carlson aye mercenaries aye aye zal thank you we do not have a public hearing this evening so we move firstly on to unfinished business we have one item and that is to discuss barker's alps park field improvements as proposed by saint croix prep academy and so matt thank you madam mayor members of the council at the may 3rd 2021 council meeting the city council tabled the discussion regarding the improvements specifically a permanent outfield fence to the parker's alps baseball field they they directed essentially staff and sanctuary prep to potentially come up with other alternatives that could be used on the twins grant that has been applied for so i just have a list of the alternatives and what has been determined one of the alternatives would be a hybrid outfield fence so about two-thirds of the fence area would be permanent and then one-third of the fence that is closest to the sledding area would be able to be removable so it would not impede with the active winter activities that happen in the park essentially um the hybrid fence would be installed well the permanent and hybrid fence would be installed in roughly the same location that the temporary fence currently is and it would allow for the soccer fields to be placed in the same locations that they currently are so it would not impede on the soccer fields i know saint craig prep and the um the uh soccer association worked together on putting that up the other item that were a couple of the other items that were looked into were a backstop overhang what they don't have for the backstop overhang is what the current poles were put in with essentially were they cemented in or where they just put in like driven in and that needs to be determined in order to for the added extra weight the poles are big enough but they added extra weight without cementing them in um it is an unknown and essentially to dig up one of the poles and take all the fencing off um that cost there kind of impeded on using that money in other places um and it wasn't any cost effective to try and determine that um the infield grass option a lot of baseball fields do have infield grass that the cost to do that is pretty expensive and they need to irrigate it also becomes a fairly big expense one that um neither the city nor synchro prep is willing to undertake at this point in time the number four thing down there it wasn't really this is still happening so sorry if that was um confusing the improvements to the softball dugout will still happen um so this includes um installing a roof on the dugouts and then also rubber matting under class 5 material so that's easier to walk on with your cleats so a couple of things that maybe not were reiterated in the first meeting the the proposal for the permanent and hybrid fence would not enclose the whole area so there's still room to move around without that being entirely closed specifically for a baseball field and then the question about having other activities in the area no one of the big things was having the sledding activity which is of course not city doesn't necessarily allow that but it's it's a given that the community goes there for that um so that's why the hybrid option was um considered by sanctuary prep so at this time staff is open to questions we're recommending that the city council just provide feedback specifically on the fence option and that a formal decision could either be made tonight or next month if you want to give more time on this presentation from the public um there's not a hard deadline for the funds um so if we wait till next month it's still okay thank you very much discussion by the council our questions for matt anyone want to jump in i have a question please um so i i guess first off let's talk about we talked about this the last time maybe rich is here yeah maybe he can help us answer some of these questions but um go ahead and introduce yourselves sir madam mayor members of council name is rich dipple i'm the activities director at st croy crop i have been there for 13 years now and it's a great opportunity to be here to talk about this yeah thanks for coming too um so we talked about this at the last meeting or whenever we last discussed this um and i asked do we really do you need to have the fence is it or is it just sort of a nice thing to have and my understanding the takeaway from that was that it's part of high school baseball requirements that you have a field that has a outfield fence but other people interpreted it differently and told me that well this is just a need or a want not a need so if you could explain that more clearly certainly madam mayor councilmember hanson um from a rural rulebook perspective they will they will the rulebook will say that the field should be enclosed but there should be a field fence defining the field um would we not be able to play on that field if we did not have a fence no we could still play on the field we played for a number of years on parker's alps one with autofence and we played for a number of years on parker's alps 2 without a fence it makes the game better it makes the game fair um and it does improve the playability of the field so to answer your question we could play without any fans and it sounds like i talked to someone at san croix valley athletic association who also plays on the fields yes and i asked if they find the offense to be a benefit or not and they said it didn't really make a difference to them if there was a fence in case anyone cares about that so it's not a hindrance to them but it's also they didn't really see it as a huge benefit for what they do but they don't have i mean they do all grade levels so correct again mayor councilmember hanson vaa tends to have lower level level lower level teams that play they have their high school level teams that they also play on that field um defense doesn't tend to come into play for those teams right actually the i think the backstop overhang would be much more wanted but that's uh that's my uh okay um i am curious you know you sent some pictures that we have i assume you sent these that we have in the packet um okay you did those okay okay so one of the pictures has like a yellow thing on the top of the fence and some covering and another picture is just a plain you know regular old what are they called chain link fence so curious about what the actual final look of the fence is going to be madam mayor council member hanson at this point it would be a standard chain fence matching everything else that's currently on the field the yellow capping that you see is something that generally gets added on to help define define the playing area and to help the umpire see if a ball goes over or doesn't go over you'll note on the current temporary fences that we put up each spring on both parker's alps one and two there's a yellow top it just adds definition for the players and for the people and the umpires that are participating in the game i don't necessarily anticipate putting the yellow capping on right away it used to be in the olden days when i was a parks director you had to put the yellow capping on because the chain link was different it had the tops that were spun together and we're very sharp so you put that on in order to protect the players and the playability of the field currently we don't have to do that so whether or not we put yellow capping on the top of it that would be for definition the one item in relationship to what the fence looks like i want to make sure that i'm correct here um matt on item number four where we talked about the difference between the temporary fence and the permanent fence and the height of the fence we gathered numbers and i don't think it's necessarily in a part of your packet but the height of the fence we we got quotes for three different sizes or heights of fence four feet six feet and eight feet excuse me four feet five feet and six feet so however high we want to make the fence we can certainly entertain those those that input with the permanent and the temporary fence be the same height yeah yes madam mayor councillor gilmore yes we would match it up and so that picture of a temporary fence is kind of what to expect there that's what that happens just like a chain link fence but it's just easily removed and it would come in like small sections that you could take away yes and how does it stay secure in terms of it not like tipping over wind blows when i was i or if a guy you know comes to catch a ball and he falls against it how does it stay there madam mayor council member hanson those are secured just like we would secure any soccer goals they're secured into the ground tight by down pins holding them in place okay that makes sense thanks um one last concern that i'd like to address is the um barker's oats number one currently has a temporary fence correct and that is mostly used for from your perspective as a softball field that's correct so are there going to be equity issues down the road and you're going to be coming to us and saying we need a permanent fence in the outfield for the softball field which would be really difficult because of the sledding hill and that and this soccer field madam mayor councilmember hanson at this point no that is not a concern of ours traditionally you'll see this across pretty much every field the host softball softball is played at different levels from slow pitch to adult men fast pitch to high school so therefore those fences have to be movable most softball is played with different length fences and temporary fences serving as that change um again back in my other olden days we had a softball field that was the varsity field in south st paul that was too deep it was 210 feet which was much too deep for a girls high school varsity field so we installed temporary fencing from a title ix perspective we do not see this as an issue okay thanks for clearing that up as well um so if we decide that we don't think a fence is a great option and maybe we think the overhang is a better option what do you know about the cost for that because it's possible the city could help with funding some of that if that's what we decide is a better option madam mayor councilmember hanson i'm going to add a couple of different notes to this conversation one is we understand it in order to be able to determine the load factor on that current backstop it would be about three thousand dollars is what we understood from the contractor that came in to be able to get down and understand what's underneath and then adding that height to the backstop does it actually serve the purpose does it actually catch baseballs as they're headed towards the towards the wetlands um in my experience we would catch some of those balls but we would not catch the majority of those balls just the reality of the physics of a pitch traveling somewhere between 70 and 85 miles an hour coming off a bat majority of our hitters being right-handed balls coming off going to the to the right side of the field um at this point we're seeing about 24 000 just to install the up the up part of that fencing um we currently have i believe fourteen thousand dollars projected maybe a little bit less than that for the fencing project with another part of that money about forty five hundred or five thousand dollars going towards parker's alps one dugout project so we have an eighteen thousand dollar grant part of the money going to barkers alps one to do that project to upgrade those dugouts and that flooring and then about 14 or a little bit less going to the fencing project or to the markers elps 2 project i think that it's a feasible project it doesn't fit with the money that we currently have available and i'm not sure it would be a long-term solution we would still end up with baseballs down in the wetlands it's just not an avoidable situation so to clarify the 24 thousand dollars is to add the overhang if the polls are in the right if they can withstand and as i understand this it doesn't that twenty four thousand dollars doesn't factor in taking down the current feds it's changing out taking what's there putting in the new one that seems really expensive to add some expenses i mean considering your outfield fences right 14 000 or whatever how could it cost 24 to just add as i understand it because of the engineering going up that requires a much stronger offense offense that's going to have to deal with so you're saying we would have to rip out the fence that we have and put a whole new back side i think that that's premature to say that for sure until we find out what's underneath it okay i feel like we still don't i don't have a solid grip on what the cost is to just put the overhang on it sounds like this cost is to have to reinforce what's already there in some way whether it's ripping it out or whatever so i would like more information on that if that's if we decide that that'll feel fence doesn't work and you want to pursue another option i was just kind of curious about i just feel like it got sort of pushed aside too easily like oh and then it was too expensive it's like well like how much more expensive because maybe the city could help with something if that was a better option so um i think that covers my questions about it um i think you kind of addressed everything i think the having the dual use having the soccer field there is important and it sounds like that you know those those worries can be put to rest um i know through some emails and just talking to public you know they're worried about having dogs out in the field or riding bikes and that sort of thing and i don't i don't quite see that being an issue um defense there i mean dogs can still run in the field i know i went down there and looked at it and i i do believe that the you know one-third temporary would allow for plenty of room for the sledding hill um so yeah i don't uh you know i don't see an issue as far as the city goes because it sounds like it's being paid 100 by the by the grant from the twins so i don't know what other issues there would really be i mean there's already fences down there i know people say well the look of it and everything else it's like well it's a baseball field so there's there's already fences down there so yeah i guess i don't really have it yeah it would actually look more in line with the fence that's there instead of a temporary fence exactly i think those temporary fences are terrible looking so i'd rather just have the regular fence as long as the kids can sled and everybody can use the feel for soccer and everything else i don't see an issue thank you honey well michelle got a lot of my questions answered um i guess i'm torn because i've gotten a lot of feedback from the public that they're they're not interested in it and some of it's because it's community park the aesthetics back there more openness um so i'm kind of wavering on that fence because i'm a baseball family but um but michelle did get my questions answered i was interested in the backstop issue if that would be because i know that grant money is there to be used so i was hoping that would maybe be a option to go down that avenue but i guess i'm up for more discussion well just to be clear right now there's a temporary fence that's up from april to august right so there's a good chunk of the year that we already have a fence there that isn't even that attractive you know it's just and it's more work for them to take it put it up and take it down every year so just one other point i clarified earlier that i thought i just don't know what activities are are hindered by a fence that's you know an inch thick i mean it's it's weird to me but you know i guess i mean i you know want to listen to everybody and hear everybody has to say but you know no one's really here arguing against it so right well i guess i did that the picture you had up did help me um where it went see where that the permanent or the temporary fence would be because my my main concern originally was the the sliding because that is used a lot yeah absolutely right so the temperature is between those little slides right and right just to be clear okay oh so it's just that one little section there and that's where the sledding i actually went down to the hill and i was with uh is it tim i met with him and we walked down there and and we figured it'd be you know about a hundred feet and if that was removable then the sledding hill shouldn't be affected yeah it would be better to have a picture of like the actual hill from there too yeah we have to be better for me to have a picture that's just not somebody scribbling with the sharpie that that sorry but that's what i wanted something way more specific to see exactly what the difference is what of the temporary versus this um i didn't notice that other slash for the temporary of where it stopped i was i was thinking that's what i thought [Music] um but go ahead john with your questions um i just wanna so i'm gonna start out saying that that i don't support this um for a variety of reasons that i don't nothing's changed since this was brought to me last time really um i i would consider a temporary fence throughout the whole thing um one point i do want to make because it was mentioned but as far as i'm concerned sledding is not against any city ordinance correct all right no it's not indoors it's not sanctioned by the city as an activity on that facility that park facility but it is not uh prohibited at all by any means um aesthetics are talk and have been talked about a lot and aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder um that park to me is a multi-use park there there are ball fields in the park there are it's used for easter egg hunts it's used for soccer games i've i've literally skied right through their cross country skied right through there where the fence would impede me is it a big deal for me to curve around no of course not but for the 10 or dozen games a year whatever it is to have that there and i realize there's practices and stuff i think from an aesthetic standpoint it's a detriment to the park for a very exclusive activity to me that's the beauty of any park in that park specifically is that it's multi-use and that limits the park um the other thing is uh i've not had any i've had several people reach out to me against this not in support of it um i think it benefits probably a very very small percentage of bayport residents and and that's the way i want to look at this is on on a day-to-day basis how is this helping a bayport resident how is it making it a more useful park for them um i i think the status quo is fine i personally think it's a it's a solution looking for a problem so that's where i'm at so i i'm still struggling of what the real advantages of it the current temporary versus a permanent i'm not i'm not seeing a big distinction yes it's a convenience and yes it may be easier to install and take out and maintain um i'm i'm with you john and the greater good i mean if that's where i struggle with this i mean i i understand that it's i think i'm just it it seems to be for a smaller group of people than our community at large who is maintaining the park and using it for multiple uses so i have a harder time supporting it although you know it sounds in theory like it's it makes sense but does it make sense for all the uses so i also would i really would like to hear something that's like this is why it's so wonderful um madam mayor let me just try and capture that just a little bit when we came to part begin partnering with the city 13 years ago we felt that it was important to be good partners and you are we appreciate that um and we brought this idea to the city based on the fact that it's at no expense to the city and it quite frankly relieves some pressure on the maintenance department because the temporary fence that we set up is difficult to maintain around it's difficult to maintain around that grass you don't want to speak ferment but it is um and that that fence needs to be be replaced on every two or three year basis and we will replace it if this if the council rejects this then we will replace that fence next year and we'll buy a new one and we'll put it up in the spring and we'll use it until the end of our season with your blessing and then we'll remove it again in the fall or in the summertime um we see it as a we see it as a baseball field it was built as a baseball field we offered to help improve the baseball field that was our intent um one of the things that was fascinating to me i grew up i grew up in southern wisconsin but i've been in the twin cities for over 35 years one of the things that you see normally particularly in the out states that the baseball fields are owned by the cities they're not generally owned by the schools um and they're operated that way and it was fascinating to me that the stillwater area has one baseball field and that's at the high school there really are no other fields that are of quality in this area and it fascinated me that there was there wasn't that investment by stillwater itself or any of the other communities surrounding it so i took it upon myself to try and find a way to help give that opportunity to the you know or the programs that i was going to be a part of in the community that i was going to be a part of that's all this is we completely recognize that the city has ideas and plans for that park we'll continue to come and work with you as best we can we think it's an improvement we think that it's good for the park we think it's good for the people that are using the park for the intended use of baseball um so that's what we brought it to you is there i mean a good section of it would be temporary yeah that temporary looks like the permanent is there any way to put in the nicer permanent all the way around versus the you know the kind of uh semi-permanent that you're using now the temporary that would impede on the sun yeah no again for only the months that they already have a temporary fence up because those the temporary fence you're saying is removable and it's put it in by under pins okay yes i understand what you're saying you're saying have it all be temporary but it's nice like consistent i just i mean i think the cost goes up the cost goes up dramatically we have looked at that option and we've looked at a number of schools that have used that option the fence becomes much more expensive once you start to add on the number of sections that you'd have and then it becomes a big storage issue where you're going to take that fence once it's once you're done with your season okay i mean i i keep hearing about the multi-use of the park but we're still going to allow a temporary fence so you know during their season so when it's off season if it's winter i mean i don't know how many people are back there in the winter anyways besides sledding and if we take care of that issue then i guess i i still don't i still won't see the issue with it because there's you know as far as aesthetics goes and being open we're talking probably a four foot fence when you're standing back by the backstop i mean you're staring at an open field with a little fence out in the outfield i guess i don't know i the aesthetics just don't seem to bother me because it is truly a baseball field that is used for other things and we've you know figured that out with the temporary fence to allow for sledding and the soccer field fits and i'm not i'm not sure what else those fields are used for besides those things so richard originally i mean the name of the park is barker's alps and originally that part people skied in so if you go way back when it wasn't ever i mean over time things have changed and baseball fields were put in it is used back there in the wintertime you'll see ski trails back there whether it's legal or not you'll see snowmobiles it for the 10 10 games i know there's lots of practices but excuse me that's a huge impact on park and and it is a multi-use park it isn't it isn't barker's fields it's parker's elks and it's a city park and that happens to have two places that you can play ball in that's the way i see it okay so i'm not sensing that do we have we don't really have we don't have a consensus do we have a majority i guess i would lean towards approving a temporary slash permanent fence so i don't know what depends on how everybody knows where i stand yeah i guess i'm not seeing enough reason to deny it because i feel like we for all the reasons even said that and i think it i've been to many baseball fields with my son playing games and typically you would have a field fence at a baseball field um i would think even you know kids out practicing with their parents it would be an advantage to not have to chase the ball quite as much and that kind of thing have that fence there as long as it doesn't i mean it's hard like i said to tell from this picture how it affects the sledding hills specifically it looks like it would be nice it was a little bit more expanded for the temporary but i don't know because the picture isn't good but i have no problem as long as the temporary fence is is long enough to not prohibit or to hurt anyone if they were sliding down that home i don't want anyone to run into the permanent fence at the bottom of the hill and it looks like the soccer field fits in there and we can see it i don't know if we have to if they usually spin the soccer field too if that's they do every other year and we talked about if there is room for that but i'm not seeing there is then it goes that way so is the funds going to be too close to the very edge of the soccer field for when the kids are running on the field that's the only other concern i would have i don't know kids didn't play soccer so i don't know how that works but it looks like it would be really tight in there between you know like their actual line of their field might run very close to that permanent fence if when we spin the soccer field i think if we were to approve it we could put some language in there that says you know we'd have to go out there and measure out soccer fields and make sure that we've got you know 15 feet between the edge of the line to the to the permanent part of the fence and even the temporary fence you know that's what i wanted specifics about i feel like like someone who said that a little you know hand-drawn line is not real very clear about how this is gonna work but so before we approve it i would like to have all that but that's kind of how i work and if we're not in a big hurry maybe we could get like actually spell out exactly how it's gonna where it would be that would be helpful yeah i have a question for matt now as far as maintenance on that field you see a difference as far as harder as far as which fence type yeah either one is going to make a big difference for you well currently we let the essentially the grass and the weeds grow up alongside of the temporary one okay just over a period of time because we don't want to get too close to weed whipping it um as far as the permanent one it's likely that we would just spray um some type of weed control all around it and then mow up close to it so it would be easier with the permanent well part of the potential when it's gone it's easier i have a question for you about the temporary events do kids ever get injured running into those and getting their legs all wrapped up in there and madam mayor castle member gilmore at this point i'm going to knock on wood and say at this point we have not had any players injured running into the current fence all right okay i don't know i am really sitting on the fence because like i said no i really was a good pun though [Laughter] because i know what he's talking about when my son played baseball and we'd go to wisconsin they had these beautiful baseball fields and you know i can think of many talent little towns that we'd go to and i always thought why don't we have that in minnesota so we can i i know so i i get that and i think great and yet i guess i'm torn because i'm getting like john said i've gotten no positive feedback from the residents in any support of it so that i feel like my job is to represent them and yet so that's why i say i'm hanging on the fence one is pull me over one way or the other but um yet i agree with a lot of things ethan has said it is a multiple use park and as long as my big thing was the sliding but then john threw in the skiing that he'd go around so i'm wondering how many people cross country ski so i'm really just kind of i mean i mean i'll admit the only thing that i've that's come to me through an email has been maybe negative about it but in talking to people i have had people say yeah i don't see a problem with it but that being said it's more of those conversations that you have with people in the community as far as emails goes uh i don't know how many positive ones you've received through the years you guys have been on the council [Music] and i'm not saying anything bad about the people that i want people to email and continue to do that oh yeah you voice their opinions of course but you know go and i think you know even with the speed limit you know talking to people and getting out there and talking it's like i guess i can't prove that somebody said hey yeah that's no problem for me i think it'd be great but i have had those conversations and and i've had more of the positive conversations than i have no one's ever been like no that's crazy you should never do that barring maybe the few emails that i've that i've had maybe i haven't had as many as you but um it seems like i have a business in town ethan they stop in and they talk about the original complaints and the emails that i got were mostly about the sledding hill that everybody was concerned that we were yes that will restrict the sledding hill and we've come up with a compromise on that i have still heard from a couple people that are concerned with other things the soccer field the soccer field is one i've all that and then also how you know we own this field as a city and why would we let this of this school come in and do something to our field but i feel like they are giving us but yeah i was going to say i didn't see that because i see that we own the field and they're improving it for us so that hasn't been an issue for a relationship that we have and they feel like you know we don't want them to feel like they have some kind of ownership in it and i don't get that sense at all from them so go ahead john just um bait you know a regular bayport resident and and i know we're not paying a nickel for this thing but regular bayport resident slash park user how is this benefiting them who how many pickup ball games do you see i don't see any i guess i i would i would go on the flip side or the other side of the fence um and say how is it negatively affecting anybody um aesthetically what i mentioned winter use it's not it excuse me i'm having a heck of a time i think that smoke has gotten to me the past few days um it it limits it so so and i i'm not i don't want to play the hypothetical okay so let but okay how about lights next year how about we put into 20 row bleachers on either side and so then to me that's a step toward that toward um okay now we're gonna have a town baseball team which would be really cool by the way but i don't think this is the right fit for that just like several years ago i think parkers was boy considered for a dog park and it wasn't the right fit for that i don't think this is the right fit for parker's alps i don't think it it it benefits joe q bayport resident enough to justify this even though it's not costing us nickel and i i get that but just because somebody i mean if somebody came in and said they wanted to put a drive-in theater in in lakeside park and they're going to pay for it should we do it well maybe maybe not so just because we can it is i mean we should 10 10 games 10 games a year so va plays on that field too and i'm sure that they could see it as a benefit if they actually had a permanent one but they don't i've got some water thanks man um i mean it's not only i mean we're making it sound like that fields only used for 10 games and there's practices there and other things that i'm sure it's helpful but the defense doesn't there's no advantage for most of the kids that play sacred valley little kids the little kids doing barely get it out of the infield alone yeah they don't play barker's number two for that okay all right so we don't have an answer for you this evening we don't have an answer a consensus we have a lot of do we need a consensus or do we need a majority you need a majority um we don't know if we have that yet do we well i guess anyone may want to make that motion and stuff i'm just wondering i guess i would like first of all rick when what is your time frame like i mean i'm obviously you're not gonna get it in to use it this year right correct okay so i would like to have some information like with the soccer i don't i want you know the measuring if it if you flip it the other way i guess to throw me over the fence i'd like a little bit more on that like if you do that can we get a definite i don't need a fancy drawing but something that shows yeah we'll have 10 feet of clear way with the soccer field this is the size of a soccer field this is where the it's at the fence will be x amount away yeah if we could get something yeah i guess and better pictures of this better pictures because it looks like there's a hook on the hill that kids would run into so i guess that's where that's what could make the difference for me um is if i had some a little bit more clarity on some of that i don't know that if you one of you guys made a motion that i could go ahead and vote on it tonight but yet it's not that i'm i think having the specifics is smart so before we i know it's a lot more coming back to us for you instead of saying it has to have all these things and do you have anything oh i thought you were reasonable all right well um does do you i don't i personally don't feel like there's enough of a consensus yet to get three votes to move forward so am i wrong no it doesn't sound like we do have that so so more definition more just more detailed design would be very helpful charleston i think that what you're looking for you want specific dimensions and that exactly exactly so i know that's the layout of the proposed permanent fence in relationship to how the soft or excuse me the soccer fields lay out and maybe maybe some pictures of the sledding hills and dimensions from the bottom and the top of the sledding hill to the proposed corner post of the permanent fence yeah yep you just need to make sure yeah you can just even have written like this is home with for me yeah i know have someone stand there and pretend that they're the end of the event so we can see i think having it posted also in advance well in advance of our next meeting so that people can see those diagrams so that it's not verbal that i mean i know that we post the agenda like two weeks and um earlier than we used to which is great and but i think if we can add in some visuals that this is a proposal that there would be at least the opportunity for people to also see and maybe okay i would definitely like to get more feedback from well that would give you the residence okay well thank you very much for visiting with us again this evening and thank you for being a good partner i know that you've made vast improvements and you do a lot of maintenance and we are very very appreciative so we just we have to make sure that we're looking out for everybody absolutely thank you so much for your time tonight thank you question thank you uh rick i have an unrelated question the other gentleman that works with you or tim over over did he was he a batting coach for a long time he's been a head coach with me yeah but i mean did he used to do batting he coached in the va program he coached in the stillwater program he's the former head coach of the university of south dakota okay that is he's been in the area for a long time okay just going to ask you that the last time thank you very much thank you thank you okay good discussion and we will address this in september under new business uh we have one item it's consider authorization to prepare plans and specifications for upgrades to the city booster station and matt i'd like you to present madam mayor members of the council um as mayor indicated this is uh for the preparation of plans and specifications uh for potential upgrades the city booster station um at the january 4th city council meeting staff presented essentially an overview of summer irrigation usage within the upper zone the potential was there that we would need mechanical upgrades in order to keep up with the water demand in that area um and we were going to let it essentially go for a year and see what this summer brought the thought was that maybe with reduced watering from new homes and stuff like that that we would see a reduction in water usage well as it turns out we had a drought and actually we see in in early june or late june a very significant increase in demand now lately it's actually come down to only a little above levels that we saw last year so i think there is the potential there that we would see less of a demand um in the future but i think the drought has shown that on the high end you know with the potential of less rainfall in a year that in emergency situations and a drought that we still need to move forward with these upgrades and that would be my recommendation at this time um so the water supply just wanted to reiterate a couple of things the water supply at this time is not an issue we have enough supply easily to supply the demand up there it's the amount of water that we can pump in the morning at any given hour that that is becoming an issue so sch has provided a proposal for plans specifications and some technical assistance um we need to figure out what how many horsepower pumps that we need now so a fair amount of this has has been reiterated or looked over last year when we went over some of this stuff but i think we need to re review the this summer's demand um on what's currently going on and project for you know we know what drought conditions do on demand now and so now we can essentially plan for a worst case scenario practically so steph does continually monitoring water usage in the upper zone um this last billing period we actually broke it down i haven't totally analyzed it yet but we've broken it down between neighborhoods up there so we can break out inspiration and the neighborhoods of baytown um so in the future we can you know push some education on or more conservative education on certain communities and maybe put more potential pressure on them or call them out if we want to go that far on what they're using so um just want to reiterate to you that by making the mechanical upgrades staff obviously is not condoning the exorbitant water use that is viewed by us for the water usage but we've seen that there is especially in drought times a significant water usage that's occurring we still have the ability to um to do conservation stuff to uh require obviously we require current odd even watering ban some cities have actually only just gone to odd even watering ban woodbury actually put in what we were considering earlier this year if our usage hadn't gone down but they've only their line watering two days a week so we still have those things you know in our back pocket if we think we need those even with the mechanical upgrades so that's that the recommendation would be that the council adopt a motion authorizing sch to prepare to the plans and specs for the upgrades to the city's booster station one of the reasons we want to get started early too is as i'm sure many of you know there's a supply and demand issue out there with everything from electrical to mechanical components and our hope would be that we could get everything installed by like next april um so that everything is in place and ready to run for next summer very good thank you questions for matt no it seems to make a lot of sense um something i'd just like to to say publicly is i think we should um stop talking about the exorbitant water usage and start hitting people where it hurts and curbing this behavior it's it's silly people are being bad neighbors they're being selfish and i think we should stop talking about it and do something about it rather than so i'm pretty adamant about that and frankly i'm tired of hearing about it and i want some action i guess thank you go ahead of note madam mayor um actually a one of the residents up in inspiration was recently hired with the water or washington conservation district and she is somewhat influential neighbor up there and so she has actually called and you know wanted to know about storm water and then we also got talking about um water usage up there so um that would be a potential inn for us on uh the neighborhood up there that she could be helpful well we don't want to put her in a really awkward position and offload our responsibilities either but right but she was she was actually interested yeah she was actually interested in starting with herself essentially and then broadening that out so i think that i agree john because it's this year's just shows us that things can change dramatically from one to the next and and having a super green lawn is not as important as maintaining our water supply for everyone so but until we had the data of who's actually using and over using i think that that's been something that we've been lacking up until this point so i'm glad that you're starting to look at where the instances are i mean changing how frequently or changing fines or adding fines or you know obviously education is probably one of the fastest and easiest things that we can do but i don't think that we should take any option off the table now as we look at this because it's it's it's been perpetual up in that particular area so is there some action we can take tonight emotion or something to direct you guys to kind of do the next step and and um well first first let's get let's make sure that we know about this because i think i i'm of the thought that regardless we need to make sure that we're prepared and we have our all of our equipment functioning properly so let's let's table that for a second john and circle back so does anyone else have any questions regarding this particular proposal for engineering services makes sense to me i'll make a motion authorizing sch to prepare plans and specs for upgrades to the city's booster station thank you michelle is there a second i'll second that thank you connie adam councilman hanson hi councilmember carlson aye councilmember dahl aye councilmember gilmore aye mayor senators aye aye's all okay is it appropriate and can we continue the conversation for this other topic absolutely madam mayor okay i want to make sure that we were making sure that we are following all the rules so um what kind of what kind of action or or direction would you need from the council to bring back some different proposals for us yes perhaps sure so madam mayor technically at this time no one is doing anything illegal per se you know or against our code from what i've seen um you know the few times that i've gone out for our odd even watering ban people are following that fairly well um as far as water usage there's always a possibility that you can increase water rates or make another tier on the water rate for high-end users um i do know that woodbury has tried in that in the past and increased it and people are very willing to pay a fair amount of money for a green lawn essentially so but that would also increase your your revenue and cover some of the costs of increasing the booster station obviously again education is one of the big ones um i know not to keep bringing up woodbury but um they offer um the ability to purchase essentially a wi-fi controlled irrigation controller and so what that does is help some of those are like this year if you have a wi-fi controller essentially and then like an in-ground soil sensor that shows how what it is or dry it is i would say that on a normal year that would probably work well but on a very dry year there's a potential that that controller would actually increase your usage so really well a lot of times your best usage so i'll give my example at miles in hudson so i hadn't used my sprinkler system for probably four years up until this year and now i try and monitor it so that it just keeps the grass green enough i also don't own my lawn very much so at times it gets up to three four inches tall and so but that takes a lot of monitoring also um but education is one of the big ones if people can water only say two days a week and water more and if we can get them to do that on opposite days which is something we could set aside i mean we could very well we have the ability to pass our own ordinance it doesn't necessarily have to be odd even i mean we looked at doing it in the upper zone for neighborhood so inspiration could water two days a week bay town um miller farms could water too and then there's the autobahn and a couple other smaller neighborhoods so it would all be offset um so there's a few different things we could definitely look into okay well let's please come back to us in september with a list of options and we'll probably put some of those into place okay yeah can i actually have like two months because i got a lot of wood yeah i'm sorry i have a street project uh two months is is going to take us out of hopefully well i've heard that we probably won't get any real rain through october but it moves us in the right direction for conservation long term and whatever you can do education wise to you know push out even it's through other sources or if we have a contact that's willing to continue to educate because it just takes a handful of people to start making efforts to make a difference so and you're not seeing that type of level of usage in a port lower bay point no absolutely not even close we obviously have an increase with more people watering their lawns by hand of course because obviously downtown bayport has no proliferation of irrigation systems but no the levels you know we always talk about the dnr level of it should be no greater than like 2.6 times your winner usage that's kind of what the recommended level is i don't even think downtown bayport makes it it might just make it over too um but this year we had seen all the way up to like eight times better usage okay so time to take some action yes all right well we'll look forward to hearing from you okay all right so that takes us to our city council liaison reports so i'll start at you're in john anything to report no meaning so nothing to report okay thank you connie okay well the library board did meet um and let's see jill has 172 kids involved in her summer reading program so she was really excited about that and she signed up 152 new students or library cards so and everything is still going in a positive direction as far as people coming in with covert so she's hoping we can stay moving forward um the big thing that we talked about was they're busy planning their next step to their fundraising goal and they had several questions and i kind of relayed a couple of them to adam but then we he had talked to joe and he said we're gonna have that library board workshop on the 23rd so it was just what what they could do to go forward um and so that they're gonna take care of getting that but they're still sarah wagner has been doing awesome contacting people and getting money fundraising and stuff so they're really hitting that hard and we will meet again here on the 17th at six o'clock so the workshop for us on the 23rd 23rd isn't it i thought it was a bunch go ahead well yeah i think you sorry the workshop on the 23rd is a budget workshop okay starting we're going to cover the cip as well as the library budget um and as part of that discussion because the this project proposed project for the library is a little unique one in that the library board is the one who controls the library operations um the city as everyone knows sets the levy for the library budget but the city doesn't doesn't control the library budget or the operations um the but the library itself the physical structure the assets those are all city city property so it's there's this quasi you know intertwined relationship where the city is going to need to approve this project and the legal uh process and so i'm working with attorney lunin on how that specifically needs to look because we have these two somewhat separate entities uh for this project and so it the the 23rd meeting will be discussing the library budget and the capital improvement project as a as a this proposal is related to that okay so thank you okay great well we'll look forward to and that will be at the library uh no that was that was here yes all right great ethan uh we did not meet so i have nothing to report okay no no planning commission meetings either i'm busy with the derby days planning still we're hoping i mean it's on and starting to get a little nervous because things are changing again but at least it's all outdoors so we have not talked about not having dirty days we've been actually pushing that we are having derby days so yeah the um fireworks are planned everything as usual we got the pet parade back and all kinds of fun so watch uh if you're on facebook follow bayport community action league or the derby days facebook page or we should be posting some things on our website as well super and the only thing on my calendar just coming up immediately as the lake elmo airport commission is meeting august 25th that'll be the first official meeting since just gathering a kind of level setting i never did receive follow-up notes or presentations from the first um but i will keep you posted on what's covered in the next and i'll be asking about that from the last meeting but that's going to be on august 25th otherwise i had no other commitments over to you adam thank you madam eric um i'm going to start with chief eisener our re-elected chief congratulations again thank you madam mayor and council members for july our call volume was 102 compared to 97 and 2020. our year-to-date call is our 529 compared to 2020 which was 560. monthly drill was water flow and boat operations fire inspections are ongoing as well as uh plan reviews um had our fire improvement team meeting we had our first my first public get-together was the saint paul power squadron with a boat demo and they donated a hundred dollars to the fire department for appreciation down there tomorrow is going to be night to unite we're going to be up at oak park heights baytown and west lakeland so we're getting back out neighborhoods there the washington county fair starts up wednesday so we'll be out there doing that stuff and they'll lift and loop this august 14th they're going to have fireworks we're going to do a fire boat standby up there with that i'll stand for questions questions for the chief great to see you guys nice to see you all yes congratulations well thank you thank you for coming in chief eastman had to step away um but i do have some information i just want to share from her report um heard the the total calls so far your date are at 4 598. um was the updated number as you saw she also wanted to just point out as the council may have seen in the report um back on the seventh july 8th of this year uh officer rusich and officer lennander were recognized at a ceremony held at the bca for their efforts in supporting eric officer eric matson during his recovery he was injured he was shot in the head during an investigation from he's with the zika police um and uh in the moments and hours days afterwards he was surrounded by security of officers deputies troopers fbi agents conservation officers and many other law enforcement members minnesota and outside of minnesota as well they stayed with him and he he is recovering which is great but i do want to congratulate again our officers who on their own time went and spent time with this injured officer um but the other item was that in the in the report um and it was i know the police department shared it on facebook uh there were some raffle winners the anderson elementary raffle that there was a family that one of the uh prizes was a tour and uh introduction to the police department and there were some photos of the children that really enjoyed experiencing that it was a great example of some community-oriented policing that uh our officers were able to share the department with with that family and the broader community so i was enjoyed by all uh next i will move on to uh public works director klein thank you uh madame members of the council um it was a short month so not too much going on we've been line striping on highway 95 to renew the striping lines for the parking and then we did uh wood chip installation on all the city parks we do that kind of on annual basis we have gotten a lot of tree questions about the ash trees i know last month we um uh we passed the thing for treating some of the trees and so we marked those in orange um a significant amount of people called and said well why are you cutting down my tree when we're actually treating those oh so city hall's been handling a couple of those and i've answered a couple of those questions i just like to reiterate we will be cutting down trees again this year and replanting new ones those will likely have green flagging this year so just to let everybody know the orange flag is the one we're saving the green will be the one that we will be actually cutting down um and then finally the a couple of things on highway 95 the meeting median planting got done just like to reiterate we had this discussion at the workshop or partially um the min or max height on some of the plantings there was 24 inches so we were limited on what we could do so mainly we have um some native uh plants out there like little blue stem and a lot of uh resilient uh salt plants like uh lilies sedum and some cone flowers um so here in the coming years it should be very color colorful um and then on the 95 the tree is a couple of the newly planted trees um they're starting to yellow so we've had um we've touched base with the contractor there and he he's actually educated us on you know mostly it's an insect um that is hampering them but not one that is going to kill them so we have a final walk through here i believe in october to determine you know whether we're going to pass the certain trees or whether they need to replant them so that's all i have for my report stand for questions any questions for that oh just a quick comment about the like the tree questions that you get you could you know if we want to that's the perfect thing to be posting on our facebook page you know there's orange markers and that means such and such and you can share that on the bayport neighborhood and wherever so you hopefully you feel fewer questions when you do the green ones or we don't want to do that i mean it's not too late actually to do the orange if you want to post something about it actually madam mayor i have one other thing so with the treatment of the trees um the city is setting up or the contractor has set up their own website um which we will we will be linking to the city website and also we'll do an email blast just giving them that option to treat their private ash trees we do have one city employee who's already having a consultation for that and i have one other resident who is thinking about doing um one of the trees actually on the boulevard that we're not treating but they're considered treating one of the ones on the boulevard i have a quick one and i think i know the answer matt but somebody asked me they said they're look you know always looking for like firewood for a bonfire and stuff and if they had an ash tree that came down on their boulevard could contractor take away the brush but leave like the big limbs and logs behind for them to use for their personal use yeah so um normally we don't get involved with like contractor and you know a private citizen like that and i don't think they like to do that just from a liability standpoint i do know that likely either bayport staff public works staff or sentence to serve will probably be taking down about 10 to 15 ash trees in lakeside park this year and so what we've done in the past if it's been sts since the serve i just have them actually cut it up in like firewood length and then we put it over in the boneyard south of the uh um public works building and it's gone within two weeks sounds good thank you yep i had just one other quick question i think it came up earlier about the parker's parking lot median and how there's like no plantings anymore what's going on yep so we will be um with our tree planting this year um we're considering we actually had donated at least three um we're gonna put japanese lilac trees in there um so they'll be like the one out front here essentially it's a um well i like true it's a tree so and they only get like 15 feet tall so it won't impede anything like that so that's planned up there one is from the bayport community action i forgot one more i was asked about on fifth street in front of froggies and manger and the chiropractor there there's like an empty planter tree spot is anything so attentively we were able to dig out the stump next to the library um and we were likely either put so the bigger trees don't tend to survive there real well at least in my experience so we were thinking about either a crab apple just a flowering one that produces no fruit or another japanese um lilac in that location and if they're interested on that side i know there's two i think locations where there had been trees there i don't see why we couldn't put trees back there i think it would be nice and if you go up to wilder he's got they've got shade up there for outdoor dining and it is really nice to have some shade both aesthetically in shape so hey we'll plan on that that'd be great thank you and uh we'd certainly appreciate and welcome any tree donations so just please keep that in mind with that we'll turn it back over to you thank you madam mayor thank you matt this is administrator madam mayor members of the council um over the past few weeks i've been in contact with mndot to resume the conversation and process for installing the wayfinding signs that we had talked about along highway 95 the purpose would be to promote and direct visitors to parks and other city facilities and amenities i included an example photo a mock-up of what that could look like in the staff report unfortunately though they have really strict regulations on what can be included on those signs and i know part of the reason we were pursuing these was to promote direction to businesses along especially along fifth avenue there and unfortunately that can't happen they have stripped regular regulations that it has to be um a city or public facility so we have matt and i created a map of proposed locations and i did send that to minda i'm waiting to hear back and then we can resume that conversation if it's something that meets their requirements we want to pursue further we can go into costs and what that would entail for plans and specifications to make that happen so there's an update there um sch has completed the phase one preliminary temporary access design for the clean water land and legacy site um we're going to be talking this over with anderson and wrapping up that design here hopefully in the coming week or two next steps will include execution of an easement to allow for the access on their parking lot there to access the property and then contractor bidding and construction i'm working on the next edition of the print newsletter i spent the last couple weeks reviewing the ordinances from 2017 to current that will be sent to municipal code to incorporate into our online ordinance and our ordinance book um that was not a fun project but it needed to be done so um our online code will then be updated since 2017. there was i think 20 or 25 ordinances you have to pay when you do a supplement so usually we try and gather those together to do a larger supplement versus every time we update an ordinance send it to them separately so and then on august 18th the allen s king plant advisory panel is going to resume their monthly meetings and that's to talk about the decommissioning of the plant and resources that excel offers to mitigate the impacts associated with that so otherwise they stand for questions any questions for sarah thank you nice to have you back thanks good to see everybody thank you thank you madam mayor um the one of the items in my report was the budget prep staff's busy button has been busy working on that we did have the city council to have a workshop tonight uh immediately pursuing this meeting uh to go over the preliminary budget numbers uh as was previously mentioned on the 23rd uh we are planning a second budget workshop um to go over the cip as well as that'll include some of the infrastructure questions that the council has had as well as the library budget the water and sewer budgets um and then we will be also having a conversation regarding the fire uh 15-year fire contract which was identified as one of the priorities of the council selected this this year the remainder of the year as we are in the seven year review of our fire contract um so we'll be having some preliminary discussions about that um the city did receive its art funds uh the american rescue plan funds uh just this last week and uh so that was just about 200 000 i think it was 195 000 that's the first half of our art funds uh so staff has now we're still working on what some of the projects that would be eligible for those funds um under the council's direction and uh the booster station tonight or the booster problems tonight that the council authorized the plans to be created for um is one of those projects that would be eligible so we'll continue to have those bring them to the accountants bring those to the council for consideration also we have three labor contracts we have a public works contract uh the teamsters and a police contract with the teamsters and one more with the minnesota police um republican we have one more contract i'm sorry i'm forgetting who it's with but it's with the police chief and sergeant union with the state uh the minnesota public employees association um i am in the process of starting negotiations with those three organizations or those three entities and the council will be bringing back input to get from the council on some of their uh preliminary demands and negotiations and uh as i had mentioned during our workshop earlier that is one of the exceptions to the open meeting law so you can schedule a meeting to review those if we'd like separate and with that i just want to remind everybody on labor day uh september 6th city hall will be closed um the uh if there's anything else please let me know if you have any questions on anything i can't believe we're talking about labor day our already meeting the monday following labor day uh our next regular meeting is uh yes that was rescheduled through the 13th um uh due to labor day uh so that will be our next regular meeting and we have the one special meeting um for the budget workshop on the 23rd um we depending on what we need if the council recalls or for those who haven't been through it before uh in september by september 30th the preliminary budget needs to be approved by the city and submitted to the county um so that's typically typically we only have one meeting in september it's usually done but it doesn't done by the end of the month so we will the plan is to have it done basically the preliminary budget adopted by the council on the 13th um we didn't really get into it but that preliminary number can be lowered by december when the final number is set but the it cannot go up um so that uh depending on what we can accomplish on the 23rd uh we may need to have another workshop on the 13th right before that but because we are going to have a full full meeting on the on the september regular meeting agenda so far um it's it's growing um hopefully we won't have too much left to wrap up um so i will get that information to the council other questions or announcements on the 23rd did you have a time yet for that meeting thank you um councilmember we uh because we don't have a regular meeting that night we have more flexibility um i was going to propose 4 30 if that's just because that's a very typical time but if there's a time that the council would like to choose now um 4 30 yeah we don't have another meeting that we're butting up against so okay that shouldn't provide us enough time to okay thanks a lot any other questions comments announcements um when would we address the youth service bureau's request we can do that as part of the budget um okay it's uh you know we do currently have that in uh in the budget the previous amount that we've had for the last past several years um with their request for the three percent increase um the council can discuss that at our next budget workshop um it's not too late tonight if council because it's a regular meeting wanted to add that but it's really up to the council's prerogative they'd like to think about it more could add to approve an increase to it or what are you saying um you could consider that formally tonight um but you should yes because it's you have you have the legal flexibility with this meeting to do that um but if you'd like to take more time to consider it and discuss it more it's up to the council i mean there's not a whole lot discussed i think well or is there a does anyone want to act on it tonight or should we wait the two weeks or so yeah it's for next year this year so it's for the next budget funding cycle so the council wants to decide it and it'll be part of the budget well we'll be regrouping on the 23rd so if we could just let mr all right okay so if there are no other questions or announcements would someone like to make a motion to adjourn will we adjourn thank you michelle is there a second second thank you very much all in favor aye opposed you