November [music] 19th, 2025 Forest Lake Parks and Recreation Committee meeting to order. First order of business. Roll call. >> Commissioner Eert here. >> Commissioner Madson. >> Commissioner Morehead >> here. >> Commissioner Tyson >> here. >> Commissioner Herdina >> here. Commissioner Gary >> here. >> Commissioner Lmark >> here. >> If you're able, please stand and join us in the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Next item. Approve the agenda. Kyle, you've got an addition. Yeah, we have um Keith with Let's Go Fishing. I'd like to make a a motion to amend the agenda to include a presentation from him tonight. Okay. >> Any problems with that? >> No. >> All right. Motion to approve the agenda with that uh revision. >> So moved. >> Karen moves. >> Second. >> Second by Tim. All in favor? I >> Okay, let's move then to uh welcome Let's Go Fishing. Hi, my name is Keith Kunley, 7841 Northshore Trail North on Forest Lake and I'm with Let's Go Fishing. So, uh I think you've been I had a presentation in March with uh Mark Ragditch and and Kyle. So, you have a little idea of what uh Let's Go Fishing is all about. Um I'll make it kind of quick here if I can and not spend a lot of time um [snorts] so we have more time for discussion. Let's [clears throat] Go Fishing is a organization, nonprofit organization that's been around for 20 years. Uh we operate in Minnesota and Wisconsin on seven in 17 different communities, 17 different chapters. Um and we're starting up two new chapters, one here in Forest Lake and one in Wasaw, Wisconsin next year. So that's what we've done. We've started here um the organization has had uh in the 20 years it's been in existence has had over 250,000 guests that has taken out. So, we take out seniors, veterans, disabled individuals, and youth groups uh on fishing and boating trips um free of charge uh on a uh typically on a a handicap accessible pontoon. And so, what we're trying to do is continue to do that here in Forest Lake. We've got 20 years of experience and knowledge that we can bring into each of the new chapters. Um and each one of our chapters is its own independent affiliate, which means um we're responsible for our own finances. The good news is all the local donations that we receive stay local and stay within the organization in each community. So to give a little status on where we are, where where we were, where we started, where we are now, and where we want to be, uh we we incorporated in July of this this year, um we we uh estimated we'd probably need about $75,000 worth of funding to get our first year up and going, needing $60,000 for a new custommade pontoon um and probably about $15,000 worth of equipment. um and materials for our first year's expenses. Um we started out completely focused on funding because that's a pretty big ask and um we're you know at the same time trying to look for volunteers and look for guests of course the seniors, the veterans, disabled individuals and youth groups. Um so as we're going through this um we've [snorts] made some pretty good progress as of of late. So, our current statuses, we have four four board members, one of them being Kyle and myself and Mark Ragn who you've already seen uh and listened to. Um we've got 40 volunteer or 20 volunteers already uh identified. Um and hopefully they'll all come on board. Um so far we've received about $20,000 in funding with another $8,000 that's been committed to us as well. And um in addition to that, I have two more uh uh individuals, two more um uh insurance companies that that want to donate as well that just in the last week have told me they're going to be donating as well. I don't know what the amounts are now, but I'd say we're roughly have a commitment to about $30,000 in funding as of right now. Um [clears throat] we spent about $1,100 on our marketing, getting incorporated, um getting brochures, business cards, all those kinds of good things. So we've got a little bit of money spent, not much. Uh we've we've identified and contacted 80 different organizations, companies, uh grants, foundations, um and such trying to um find the the right donors for us. Um and just recently we agreed to um purchase a used pontoon from our sister chapter up in Chicago. So the East Central chapter um operates out of Chicago Lake. They have one pontoon on Chicago, one lake on on Lake Brush Lake. um and they have agreed to show us their current pontoon that they use this season um at an at a at a cost of $20,000. Um so that'll be, you know, is a really good thing for us in that, you know, that's allows us to get started and know we're going to have enough money to be ready to go and and operate next next June rather than hoping we're going to be able to get that $60,000 ask that we would need to get a brand new pontoon. So, it was a good easy decision for us to make to ensure that we're going to be ready to operate for our guests by next June. Um, we estimate at this point then we're going to need another 7 to9,000 to cover our expenses and the additional equipment that we need to buy uh yet uh before we start our next year. And more importantly, we need to help just spreading the word getting the word out to the community because we are uh new to the community um and not many people know what we do and why we do it and how we do it yet. So, uh your help and getting the word spread would be much much appreciated. [snorts] Going forward then as we um look into where we want to be as of June 1st next [snorts] year. We're hoping to expand our board to six or seven members. [clears throat] Um want to have 40 to 50 volunteers on board, registered and and fully trained. Um we hope to have our pontoon equipment all acquired and ready to go. have our online uh calendar, trip calendar all set up and ready to go so we can uh our guests can register for for the trips. We are planning to have roughly 8 to 10 trips per week, two-hour trips um each one. And so the guests can log on and uh put pick what dates and time they want quite easily. Volunteers can do the same thing and pick and choose whatever times that work for them as well. Um we've got community ed helping us out as well. Um, number one, they're help have been helping us in the past with uh so some of the advertising and getting the word out for us uh with their um uh community ed bulletin. Um and also we're now I believe on are we up and live on their website I think Kyle? Yep. So we're getting getting hopefully some publicity there as well. Um and they're going to they've agreed to do uh to take some of our phone calls for any scheduling issues that guests or volunteers might have. So they're going to be helping us out in that regard as well. [snorts] So by June again when we want to start our services by June we hope to have about $10,000 in the bank ready to go to cover our expenses for the rest of the year hope [cough] to be hope to have a slip available on the lake Lakeside Memorial Park so we can have a nice easy access and easy place for our wheelchair um and disabled individuals to be able to access. And um one of the [clears throat] other things I kind of been talking over with Kyle, we need to make sure that we've got a good high high priority repair status with Hallbergs or some other um mechanic locally because one of the one of the most important things is we need to be up and running all the time. We can we can't uh get into a situation where we have a a motor problem or something that we need to take off to a a marine mechanic and have to wait three, four, five weeks to get it solved. So, we need to find a way to get a, you know, a high priority level uh service agreement with um someone in in the community. So, that gives you a good idea where we hope to be at. Um we uh obviously are working quite hard on the financing. Like I said, we have about $30,000 uh available right now. Um if you extrapolate that over over the four months that we've been in existence, that's um not a bad go. It's about $90,000 per year. you can't quite um extrapolate fully because um 15,000 out of that 30,000 is a one our one-time donations from foundations. So 15,000 roughly of what we've acquired so far would be something that would be uh potentially renewable or an annual types donations. And that's still if you again if you extrapolate that that's still about $45,000 a year um that we might be able to expect uh for for donations. Um which in respect to other our other chapters um we look at our again our e central chapter and they average between 35 and 45 $45,000 a year in donations but they've been established for 20 years. We're you know we're kind of slimming upstream a little bit with this being our first year. Um so I'm not sure where that'll all end up. Um, but it's it's we're in a very comfortable position right now financially that I think we'll be able to cover. Again, we we we have the money, the funds for the boat, and we should have the money for all the the expenses and the equipment that we need to yet buy before June 1st of next year. So, with that in mind, [snorts] there are still a couple things that um could be uh a potential funding problem for us. Um, one would be if we need to fund a slip and pay pay for a a slip fee for the for the course of the summer, that would be, you know, could be three $4,000. Um, or if we have to buy a boat lift, that would be two or three times that as well. It all depends on where we land on having a boat lift down or a slip available to us. And the [snorts] other big thing that will will come up is that we need then to look at funding for a new pontoon at some point. The pontoon that we're going to be purchasing is 10 years old um with a newer motor. Um, so it should be reliable for a couple more years, but anybody that has a boat knows that over time they get less and less reliable, especially since they sit on the water and and uh that humidity does a lot of nasty things to the the electronics and switches and whatnot on the boat. So, we have to start thinking about the funding that we need to replace that boat in the next two to three years. >> Thank you. Any questions or comments from the members? just >> and it's very positive when you talk to the folks in the community. It's very positive. So, I would hope that you'd be able to raise the funds when veterans or seniors do do any of them pay anything just because they want to, not because they have to. >> Well, we're always willing to take donations from anyone. >> Okay. >> Um so, we won't say no [laughter] in that regard. So, some people do on the, you know, at the end of the their trips, they will offer, you know, cash donations or or uh such force. Um, we don't ask for it. It's, you know, considered completely free to everybody. Um, but some people will will provide that for us. >> And the slip, maybe we could ask the city about paying for a slip. Would that be anything that the city can partner with? >> Yeah. So, currently we're working with your boat club on trying to figure something out. I've talked with uh them a couple times. The most recent conversation was their slips can't fit the pontoon in it, but they're willing to figure something out um with their doc, which I haven't even told Keith yet because this was just a conversation I had with Brian this morning. Um they're willing to work with us, but we're going to have to look at like city ordinances. Um the hope is is that they aren't going to charge us any sort of fees. That's the goal, but we have to kind of prepare for fees. But certainly that could be up on the table for discussion being that we're kind of a partnered um on deal. So certainly could be part of the discussions. >> That'd be good. >> Have you guys reached out to Invisible Wounds here in town? >> Yes, I was just there this morning for the chamber event, >> but yeah, I've talked with Russ a few times. >> Okay. So yeah, there's a lot of crossover with a lot of those organizations like his and he's a fantastic organization as well. So I'm sure we'll be working with them. I do know in the past that they have sent people up to Chicago and to Still Water where we have other chapters operating. So it'll be a lot more convenient for them now to to come down the Lakeside Memorial Park and use our boat instead. >> Well, thanks for coming to give us an update. >> All right. Thank you very much for that. >> It's exciting project. >> Very much so. We all should spread the word. Okay. >> All right. Next item is open forum. Seeing we don't have anybody else here, I think we can go past that. Uh, next board item. Approved minutes from our October 15, 2025 commission meeting. Any revisions or a motion to approve. >> Move to approve the minutes. >> Karen moves to approve. >> I second. >> Uh, Sue approves. Sue seconds. [laughter] >> All in favor? >> I Okay. Uh, number seven, parks master plan steering committee, Kyle. [clears throat] >> All right. So, as we've talked about in previous meetings, we are diving into our parks master plan that has to be updated. Um, it was something that was started back um 20 2021 somewhere in there and it it got left off as a 2022 draft. Um, part of that is to design a committee. That's the biggest thing that we we want to get accomplished here tonight. Um you see we have a layout of what we recommend uh a committee to look like uh for that steering um park steering um just to dive into some of these meetings we're going to have with our consultants Bolton and Mink. So really the big thing um if you guys have any questions on the parks master plan but I feel like we've covered it a couple times now. Um certainly if you have any more questions on that otherwise just um discuss internally amongst yourselves of maybe who would be interested in that uh make sure you're okay with the suggestions we have there of who is on the committee as well. Um we're trying to get you know just good representation within the city of who our parks are going to serve. That's our biggest thing is making sure um everyone's at the table. um if you have any suggestions if there's somebody not on that list that's um on the committee maybe somebody to bring in at some point in time because certainly we we don't want to have a committee much larger than eight folks it starts to get tough but if there's anyone that you the commission feels should be there at at some point you can certainly give us that that feedback >> okay anybody interested in being on this committee >> what kind of a cadence or time commitment is that committee I believe it's a it's a I think Josh had a few scheduled meetings. It' probably be I would think monthly probably just as they do updates and then that steering committee would probably report back to the full parks commission. So probably be a meeting in between our meetings tonight or these monthly ones. There'll be some meetings that the steering committee in concert with the parks and recreation committee, but it's more designed for the smaller questions for the group to kind of be the representative for everybody up here to get through some >> I would be interested [laughter] want to throw my hat in the ring for be >> I'd be interested as well. Sound that sounds like two. >> Somebody like to make a motion for that. Karen, you're good at motions. I >> can make a motion that we [laughter] appoint our two members here to be on the steering committee. >> I'll second. >> Okay. So, the motion uh is to appoint Sue and Aaron to recommend approval of the proposed steering committee structure and direct staff to proceed >> with recruitment and appointment of members to serve on the parks master plan steering committee. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay. Thanks and Aaron for stepping up to do that. >> Thank you for that. So staff just um we'll get probably an email shout out to Josh tomorrow with Bolton and Mink and there was discussion yeah early December getting together. Um we want [clears throat] to get some some movement going on before the new year for sure. So I will um send you two a note and then I will probably just let the whole commission know too our meeting plan and then certainly can just uh again go from there. Bring back some some notes from those meetings. Okay, thanks Kyle. All right, agenda item eight, staff report on Bay View Park project. Public works director Dave. >> I got a frog in my throat, so we get through this. [laughter] Last month we were here and we kind of went through Bay View Park of the wants and and and not wants just a high level um and understanding that we want to do some type of um uh community engagement. took those additional costs or things that we wanted to add in the project and and put some numbers to those costs. So, you look on the staff memo, it started our initial budget of 450,000 and just adding in all the things that uh staff would recommend and majority of the commission recommended we could up to about $27,000. Uh at this time staff is not recommending reinstalling the basketball court due to that the courts the new courts were just installed at >> Beltsport >> and we more recommend leaving that a green space. This could be a discuss a topic of discussion at the for community engagement if that's a question that we might want to ask uh residents if that's something that they would like put back in get an estimated cost or put estimated cost of $35,000 to that. Also kind of attached a picture that's after my memo of kind of what we would assume that would be done. a new playground to shift sides to be up on the north side, adding that gazebo, our open air gazebo pavilion, and then redoing that um trail and parking lot. >> So, with that, we kind of have some discussions or direction that we're looking from the commissioner tonight. Um first, what your feedback is is that concept that we kind of put together. if you like that flip-flopping of the the playground, um kind of the overall design of that and what your thoughts are on the basketball court, if that's something that um should put into that community involvement. The third thing is is we're approximately if we would spend the full budget, which we don't have to spend the full budget, but what what people feel comfortable with for a pricing of the playground equipment. Um just putting perspective, the the new belts playground, that that playground was about $300,000 and the manner park was $75,000. So there's definitely a range, but um just a number to put into that budget of if you're thinking $150,000 playground, you know, $300,000 wouldn't fit in this container anyway, but you know, something around $100,000 150 would probably be, you know, equal that. [clears throat] or if you want to wait to see what the community thinks about the basketball court, which then could adjust your passen >> just I don't know if I put it in my memo big reason for wanting to switch that to the north side of the the playground is that the current playground is in the the lowest area of the park. So every time it rains or spring melt off or anything wet, water sits in the playground. It actually just floats the the mulch. So that would be to get that on the high side so you won't have those issues in the in the future. It does stay green space. That's fine. If it's wet and if you did put a basketball court in, you just have to build that up so it it would shoot that water. Second second bonus to that is if you relocate there, you'd be able to keep the playground open. as you're rebuilding the new playground and then once the new playground was closing down. >> Okay, Karen, you have a comment question. >> A couple of questions. Um, [snorts] first [clears throat] of all, in the minutes it was stated that we had a couple of ideas about how to get a community survey done or a community group there at the And there was also the Q code, QR code, what are those things that people my age hate. Um, >> QR code. [laughter] And I'm just wondering if anything has been decided as far as what we should do. But I think the green space, I would agree, the basketball court, first of all, the ball always went in the neighbor's yard and they didn't like that. And secondly, we do have the nice facility over there. So, I'd be in favor of that. But I would really like to wait and see what the uh community around there thinks. >> Erin, looks like you have something. Yeah, I was just going to ask because we're going to have a green space, would there be an opportunity for maybe a Gaga ball to pit? Because I know I think we have one. >> A what pit? >> Gaga ball. >> The kids love the game. They put one in at Leela this year. >> What is that? >> Yeah, >> they have one, as my kids refer to it as the dragon. [clears throat] >> It's like an octagon, I think it is, shaped >> Yep. >> pit and the kids bounce the ball off the wall. It's a game that the kids love playing. I'm just curious. We've got one on the north side of town. >> Maybe this would be an opportunity because we have that space to put a gaga ball pit in there. >> Never seen it play before. How much how often does the ball come [snorts and clears throat] out? Because that's kind of right on a road that's there's a stop sign there, but >> Well, I would put it more towards that the [clears throat] top corner that's nearest to where the playground's at. >> Okay. So, it's kind of in between that in between the two and then you still have the big open green space. But having a pit like that would be all I know is the kids love to use it. Maybe that'd be something for the community engagement >> be something to suggest for sure. >> Yeah. So when you present the plan, the draft plan the way it looks now, you put your option in [clears throat] basketball court or that whatever ball court >> and then the community can give their spots. >> I get it. I didn't know what the name was either >> first started playing it. Kids, they love playing it. Maybe it's an opportunity. >> It's probably a cheaper install than I guess that brings up the the question of level of community engagement. Is it the commission is pretty okay with the layout and we're kind of just trying to figure out do we want green space, a basketball court, a gaga ball court? Is it something that we want to spend the time in doing a open house or is it something that we pick a radius around Bayiew Park and send out a mailer? Is it something that we just >> Yeah. Maybe not the same thing online that you could kind of get two people versus doing a full open house. I I don't I don't [clears throat] see this as a big huge reconstruction project that we really want that much input. >> Yeah, >> I saw heads nodding on the mailer >> to the neighborhood >> and it would be like green space, basketball court or some other idea in this in that area. I think the gaga ball court, we could add that in if they wanted that amenity, but I kind of agree that that's so small that you could cut that up. doing up by the playground versus a green space. I think commission agrees that we're asking more about that green space. You want to keep it green space, put a new basketball court in or a suggestion of something else that could be in that place. >> Dave, I I understand the drainage issue that back of my mind I'm remembering the resident that came in when we moved the uh outouse out by in the one ball fields. So I one thing to think about is those two houses now that suddenly are going to have a playground really close to them. >> And I think people if if they buy a house in the playground some spot they okay that we accept that. But now if you move the playground closer to their house and they're not aware of that. So whether you contact them directly to make sure they're not they're okay with that. But I could see a potential concern if if I lived in one of those houses and suddenly a kid's playground got close to me. I'd probably be concerned. >> The drainage issue, not knowing the grades out there, but certainly we could raise the playground, too. >> It seems like there's plenty of money in the budget to do bring some fill in. And that basketball court area then could become green space. It just flip-flops. >> Yeah. But I I you know what I'm saying? just buy that house. I I was about Yeah, I was about to say make, you know, would there be an option for a privacy fence because I've seen those go up when they put stuff near a home >> then it's another maintenance issue for the city and >> well they had the trees and then they took the trees down and I know that was a problem that didn't get taken care of properly or >> promptly >> and at the same time those people might see it as amenity to have a playground right next to their house but it's it seems like if if we're going to do public engagement those two residents would I would think would be the most crit critical to check in with. >> Yeah. As we do this mail, we'll definitely get contact, but we'll reach out personally to them for sure. I know I've talked to the new homeowner at that new property, so I have that phone number. >> Okay. >> Just to get their feedback and thoughts and that's what we can bring back if they're both definite knows and that changes our flip-flop and if they're don't cares and we can the way it is or still go back together. >> Yeah. Then your question on the budget as far as how much to play on the you've got a good handle on what's how much playground equipment for that size you've gotten and you know these projects go. My suggestion is just make sure you leave a good healthy contingency in there for something that might come up. Whether it's the >> gaga or yaya [laughter] >> yoyo >> yo-yo uh you know these public works projects go there's always something unexpected. So to have a healthy contingency to deal with that. >> Yeah. I think I think we'll have more than enough to put a really nice playground in there. Even if we add a basketball court or some other amenity that we'll have a very good wiggle room that will this project a nice place well under budget that we can spend. >> Karen, >> could we um include the local per people that were here for man? No, manor that one by off of off of Harold. They came with the fish and they were a local group. >> Yeah, that was great except for they still haven't installed the playground that they were supposed to stall in September. So, >> so is it their hold up or the cities or who? >> It is theirs. >> Whoa. >> Same thing with the veteran memorial project that we have going with them. They're there is pretty important piece to getting the whole project done that was planned on in September. We still don't have those either. So, >> this would be this would be competitively uh quoted just like the other projects. We'll send it out to those same five or six companies that'll >> but um yeah there's been some issue with two projects with hitting timeline. So that's >> but they will still get it. They'll still get I mean we're still going to send it out to them. >> All right. Anything else on this otherwise that you get enough direction? >> Yep. So what Kyle and I will do then between now and probably the next commission meeting is send out that mailer and do something online to get that coming. We'll probably report back in January with the findings and then really dial this in and then probably get a recommendation to put the RFP out for the playground to keep just kind of moving and and get everything going. So, we want to hopefully get this approved just following that timeline that we have there so we can get that built this summer instead of waiting till right now. It'll be still waiting for a playground and Thanksgiving time. So, >> all right. Thanks, Dave. >> Yep. Thank you. >> All right. Moving on to item number nine. So, we got uh a mix of agreements and policies to review, and I I purposely try to mix them up so it doesn't get too mundane here, but uh Arts in the Park, we operate on a uh agreement with a gentleman who books all of our entertainment. Um he's also in charge of the um on-site, you know, setting up speakers, making sure everything is operating well. Um it is just an annual agreement that we we have with him. The agreement um there was a 2% add-on to all of his fees. He asked for like 5%. Um we just came back with we thought, you know, 2% bump was reasonable, especially knowing that it's probably going to be an ask every year, right? Um so that's really the only difference. Um all the information is, you know, reviewed. It's it's been this agreement's been drawn up by the city attorney um previous and again there's not many changes other than dates uh in that 2% increase. So really just looking for um a recommendation for council to approve this and um spoke with Woody a couple times. He's already got a draft lineup done for next year and we'll roll right on and the more we can get that planned the more we can promote and advertise. So [snorts] getting this done now will be will be big for us. Uh we'll flip it over to the November 24th council meeting then. >> All right. >> And uh just also um the he did he has signed he's agreed to this. All the agreements we're going to go through um everyone's agreed and have signed. We just need obviously our recommendation for council approval. just so if that is a question in your head about where everyone's at, all the agreements that we'll talk tonight um have been gone through and and the contractors have agreed with. So >> definitely think he's the one we should have and uh 2% is >> there. >> Okay. We [clears throat] can give him more next time. >> Yeah. >> So well to the community. I love that he, you know, he takes their input and he wants to know what they think. And >> it's one of those things where we definitely um we'd love to to um you know, give as much as we can, but trying to make sure we have the budget for music, too, right? The entertainment part of it part of it. So, [snorts] >> all right. It seemed council approves of the proposed agreement for professional services. So, move. >> Tim moves. I'll second. >> Sue seconds. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. I >> Yep. Melissa's an I. >> Unanimous. >> I'm with you. >> Unanimous. [laughter] >> Okay. All right. Item 10, Arts in the Park policy. Kyle, again, speaking of Arts in the Park, um you know, there's several. We we've talked early on um when this commission started where we're we're lacking policies and while you know myself I'll scoff at policies, but it's nice for consistency, right? And um making sure that we're we're across the board um justifying what decisions we're making, why we're making them. Certainly um it does help just to have that um on paper. Um and again, it's just it's a nice guideline. So, it's just um overall just how does the event work? Um what needs to be done? When does it happen? Um certainly this is something that it this past year is my first time running the running the event. So, there could be tweaks made as we go, but this just gives a really good idea of what I have to look out for and again, you know, down the road what what people need to prep for. Um there has been a vendor handbook um that's been signed by all the vendors yeartoear. So, this isn't necessarily going to replace it. It just again talks about the overall policy of the event. So, just um looking to get that policy in and and again recommend approval for it. >> Any questions for Kyle on the policy >> is um each of these vendors, they get an invoice for the season and they're asked to pay up front for the season. >> Correct. Yep. Yep. Do they has anyone [clears throat] asked for a refund for maybe they can't show up on one of the nights? And >> in the within the handbook, it does say, you know, after a certain point just no no refunds and a lot of that's just because it's promotions that go out. >> Um and and it's standard market procedure to once you're in, you're in. >> Um our rates have been >> pretty reasonable in the past, too. Uh we have had um we had a vendor last year come to council that she wasn't happy with her spot. Um really battled it out and we ultimately just said, "All right, we'll give that refund back just because it just was one of those things where clearly it was going to be a problem." Um [snorts] >> but uh but yeah, typically most people they're um they're chomping at the bit to get in. So we we actually closed our first round of applications October 31st. We had 67 um applicants which um we had 88 last year but that closed like in January which is way people are more thinking about it. Um but we're at 67 and I think we opened the wait list a week later and we already have eight or nine applicants on the wait list. So really for people to to get in um they they want to get in. [snorts] >> Okay. Yep. >> I didn't read the entire handbook, but is it still in there that they have to pay by January 1st? I know >> there's there's nothing saying they have to pay January 1st. What was communicated to the vendors was they're not going to pay until after January 1st because that was a question with moving up this application was, "Do I have to pay now?" And it was, "No, we're going to start payments after January 1st." >> So, there isn't any cut off at January 1st if you haven't paid your >> Nope. Nope. There will be a cut off given though once we do send that invoice out we will expect payment sometime it's going to be by March March or April and a lot of that reason is so we can get promotions going right we don't want to promote someone that's not going to be there and stuff so it's just it's just telling the vendors that hey you're submitting your application now but we're not going to take payment till come the new year [snorts] >> that is really good because I think that was very offensive to some people have their money being used so early on >> and I I know you've got problems to make sure they they come and all that, but I I think that's easier handled than make people upset about using your money so early. >> That's great. >> Yeah. No, we we never asked for money up that early. So, I got it all in emails. >> Good. >> It was come the new year. [snorts] >> All right. >> Any other questions? Otherwise, we would need a motion. including in that the um handbook and all that. Is that all in there? >> This Yeah, the handbook would we can certainly um send that out for review if the commission would like, but the handbook is not included in this policy. >> So, help me. What is included in this policy? Just like three bullet points. Yeah, it's just a it's just to give an overview of exactly okay. So, what is Arts in the Park? Um, while it's going to be our our event and this is when the applications come out. This is what the uh the vendors can expect. They're going to get a handbook to operate off of. Um, what required documents that we're going to be asking of them and then how the payment works. These are >> It's below the memo the policy. You just keep scrolling, Karen. Yeah, I just kind of looked at home and I'm kind of looking to the point again about who's going to make the decision where. Are you going to do that on your own or would you like a committee to talk with you about it or get feedback from last time? Was it good, bad or in between? I know you did a survey came back pretty positive but [snorts] there's always >> so I think really the I mean the we can certainly talk about it but the purpose of the commission wouldn't be to necessarily make I mean certainly suggestions is just fine but it wouldn't be the commission making any decisions on vendors or anything like that. um not necessarily making final decisions on policy certain suggestions and again the handbook we can certainly bring up and take suggestions or feedback you know what what uh commissioners are getting but it it would be something that ultimately yeah I I I do make the decisions on that um based off of you know what we find from other markets and what makes sense of what we're trying to do. It would be kind of nice for each of the commissioners to just have a little packet like the handbook >> as reference and the policy just, you know. >> Yep. >> In case anyone's uh confronted by someone asking questions, you know, they got the handbook in hand. >> Good reference. >> Yeah, we can again um send out the handbook of what we currently have for review. can certainly do that. To me, this policy is more about the general questions, right? I'll get vendors ask me, "How does this work? How does that work? Do I get a handbook?" And this is kind of one of those here's a generic overview of what Arts in the Park is. >> It's a different It's an update of the handbook they've had before because they've had a handbook. >> This is the policy. >> The handbook is still still exists. So the the handbook is going to be something completely different, right? Again, the policy is going to be if someone's reviewing what is Arts in the Park. >> I'm a vendor. I what do I have to do to be at because I get numerous emails and calls throughout the year. What do I have to do to to get into Arts in the Park? Well, we can just say here's the policy, review it. This is kind of how it works. Um these are just more, I guess, a frequently asked questions, but then again, it just kind of lays out we're going to have dates posted for next year. this is when our application's going to be just so it's a consistent yeartoear versus we fly by the seat of our pants and just say ah we're just going to do the application now because we have time. It just kind of gives us a timeline built. The handbook is something that's not tied to the policy other than there is a handbook for vendors to go through. Um the vendor handbook hasn't changed yeartoear. Um there's been some tweaks about what certifications are required or um just some updated information from like MDH or cottage laws and stuff like that, but the vendor handbook would be once the vendors are approved, they're going to get this handbook. They have to sign off on it and then they'll get their invoicing and all that. >> One more question because I know it was they were going to have to have liability insurance. They didn't have to have liability insurance and now are you saying again this policy that we have to have liability insurance? Um, nope. It's so we talked with our city attorney when I went through that and there was a lot of back and forth about who should have it and ultimately by the league of Minnesota with the League of Twin Cities, >> Minnesota cities, >> the Minnesota cities, they ultimately said that for something like this, those types of food vendors that are table tent just they they don't recommend doing the liability. Um, there was kind of again a some do, some don't. But then when we talked with our um our represented representation on it, they ultimately said, "Yeah, just don't do that." However, food trucks do need that just because of liability of parking lot >> and the handbook like lays that all out. >> Correct. >> So the handbook is more for that. This is the policy. So we say, you know, when it is how we when we do it, >> the policy of it, not the handbook. you know, just saying like you're going to get a handbook, you get 10 days to read it and get it back to us. Because in the past, the reason for that, we've had vendors get approved and then drag on for like two months. We have people on the waiting list and then all a sudden when it's time when we're like, "Okay, we need to finalize. Oh, we're we're going to probably not, you know, not come back." We've had that happen where it's just like most people, they want to get in, they want to get it done, we want to get it done and checked off so we're not following up with the same person, you know, time and time again. So, this just gives us a policy to lean back on and say, "Hey, you've had your 10 days, you haven't got it. We're going to we're we're taking you off." Well, now they can't come back and say, "Well, why?" Well, there's a policy on it. >> I think the [snorts] way to look at the policy is both ways. It tells the resident how we do what we do. And it also tells the city when Kyle and Dave get hit by a Tesla after we leave this meeting, how does the city do [snorts] what they do, >> right? So we can look at somebody else in the city can read this and say how does art run. You you read it both directions. So we we're saying we this is how we do it. Somebody else can read this and say okay this is how it's done. That's how kind of how of our policies are being set up. So Kyle and I are gone tomorrow. The next person can read the policy and say okay this is how we donate a bench or whatever you know. But also on the other flip side, a resident can read that and go, "Okay, this is how I can donate a bench." >> All right. Any other discussion? I'm not going to beat it up. I know we got a lot to do here on this thing, but I'm just going to ask my question one more time because you just said again 10 days and you haven't turned it in. No. Then you were saying they have until March or early April maybe. So is that something that they have to sign up at a certain time and when they sign up they have like 10 days is I not hear you >> the pay. >> So the the how the timeline is going to work right. So we have the application first round applications close on the October 31st. We're working to get our approved vendors done now and then once we get those approved vendors done, we'll send out a note saying you're going to receive these documents in this timeline. So, we'll say we're going to hand we're going to send out the handbook on January 10th. Um, you're going to have basically two business weeks to review those terms, get us a signed handbook because the next thing that's going to come out is an invoice. That invoice is going to have a 35day deadline. And this is just kind of it's not like I'm predicting the timeline of how we're working with we're working with like our accounts receivable team to get everything lined up to say what's a good time frame for you guys to pump out 85 invoices for this event. So we're we're working on that timeline currently, but this is just again that frame to give us the timeline to work within. Okay. >> All righty. >> For an approval. >> So, we need a motion. >> Written out here. I make a motion to recommend the council approve the arts and the park policy. >> Okay. Melissa makes that motion. Need a second. >> Second. >> Aaron seconds. Any more discussion? All in favor? >> I opposed. >> All righty. Next item is number 11, athletic facilities user classification policy. >> All right, another policy. Um, so this is the the document we brought to the commission in October. Um, no changes were made. Um, Commissioner Eert had asked in [clears throat] that meeting about the difference. I just kind of fumbled during that to point out that it's a majority versus uh um you know residing in the city and not residing. Um so really there was no changes made. We feel pretty good about the policy reviewing um other cities how they classify users. Um the big thing is like obviously again we're not we're probably not listing out every single user group out there. Um but it's at least giving us a guideline to say this is where this user group falls in. Right? We don't know if there's a soccer team coming from wherever, but they're going to fall in line to this classification somewhere. Um, and again, it's just that guideline. Um, and yeah, it's like I said, no changes from the last meeting. >> Any questions for Kyle or Dave? >> Approve. >> Karen is moving. So Karen is moving approval to rec moving to recommend council approves the proposed athletic facilities user classification policy. >> Correct. >> Second. >> Tim seconds. Any more discussion? >> All in favor? >> Opposed? All right. >> See, I threw Dave in there for questions, so that's why I went quick. [laughter] >> All right. >> Good job. [laughter] All right. Number 12, staff report on veterans memorial agreement. [sighs] So, this is referring to the project that the committee has going down going on down at Lakeside Park. Um it's it's actually fairly common to see these types of committees using city parks for this type of uh project. And most cities do have some sort of long-term maintenance agreement with said committees. Sometimes those committees are um they are a organization meaning they're an official nonprofit or a 501c3 or you know whatever to classify themselves as an organization within uh our city. The committee is not a official organization but they are backed by the Legion and the VFW. A lot of what they do is um that's where they get their funding from. They also obviously do private funding. Um but the city feels it's very important and the committee does as well to have this very laidout agreement of all right who does what what's what's the responsibilities. Um again this this is an agreement that has been reviewed by both the um proper Legion and VFW um chain of command and and they have agreed to it. They've signed it. Um they're looking forward to to getting this project wrapped up. Uh, another important piece, this is this type of document is needed being that the committee ultimately received grant dollars. Um, they are the ones that receive those funds and they need some sort of agreement like this to provide the state to get that grant. So, that's kind of another reason why we're making sure we're getting this done now. >> Excellent. I think So again, you're going to need a motion to recommend council approves and signs the proposed veterans memorial maintenance agreement. Make that motion. >> Karen's making that motion. Second. >> Second by Tim. This is a good agreement. >> So, >> and it's a good project. I can't wait. >> All right. We got a motion and a second. Any other questions or All right. All in favor? >> I opposed. That passes. Item 13, parks and recreation fee schedule. Kyle again. So annually city staff has to put together fee schedules for each department and basically predicting you know any sort of increase in prices for um you know whether it's staff or material costs etc. For the most part um the biggest change from our previous fee schedule to this is just how we laid out our fee structure. um the field cost there's not a there's not a huge discrepancy between the the two um 2025 and moving to 26. It's more or less just that we've added the different classifications in there. Um but yeah, you can see overall all the current rates that we've built in for the parks department. Um there is some things in there that may um may not get used. So, just for instance, uh some of the the sponsor levels, right? That doesn't mean we're going to fill them, but at least that way we have them built into the fee schedule. So, when we go to talk about those things, they're there. Um [snorts] again, I don't think obviously the arts in the park, those are probably the the only increases across the board just with how um kind of behind we have been on on those prices. And >> we've talked about those before, >> correct? [snorts] Yep. Excuse [clears throat] me. Has again looking at the uh Fenway Park, have they been have they looked at the schedule? >> Yes. Um and with with uh with that facility use policy that we just um recommended approval, we do have in there that we do have some wiggle room to work out like a large um any sort of group that consumes a large amount of rental, there is a chance for some sort of discount. Um, and so FLA is going to end up receiving basically a 50% discount off their classification. They are aware of that. That's based on them using 2,000 some hours of those fields. Uh, it's still going to be an increase of what they've paid in the past. Um, but but they have been okay with that. And I actually did just cuz Cindy um >> couldn't be here tonight, I just asked her for an email of confirming that everything's been going good and she just said um sitting good with the city. It's a work in progress as we try the new process with our sports. We look forward to continued positive partnering with the city. So, it is something that Flaw has been pretty positive about. Um certainly the groups themselves um you know, they're not overly excited, but at the end of the day, there's a lot being lifted from those groups moving to us as far as field maintenance and preparation and scheduling and all that stuff goes. All right. Happy. [clears throat] >> All right. Need a motion on this one to recommend council approval of the parks and recreation fee schedule. >> So a motion. >> Aaron moves and Tim second. >> All in favor? >> Opposed. All right. That passes. 14. Uh Castlewood management agreement. You've been busy putting these together, Kyle. Yeah, >> dizzy >> small print. >> It's It's good. Um, yeah, Castlewood we uh with for some we we had some back and forth about some verbiage. There was just a change and really I think the only change in that agreement was the indemnification portion of it. the the background on that basically is how the the previous language was is that the manager of the course assume all responsibility for like damages. um meaning that if a golfer hit a ball on the 97 and hit a car um which is what we dealt with um they're responsible ultimately for it and really um the city myself I don't know I shouldn't speak for the whole city but myself felt like that's just not it it doesn't seem like the right thing that they should be liable for that it's our course they're managing it so the fact that we um you know don't have something to keep a golf ball from going on to 97 is not really their problem. Uh but it was just uh some back and forth with the language on that. Otherwise, the agreement pretty much is the same. Just >> just date changes. Yeah. >> Yep. So, date changes. City attorney um was very involved with the back and forth. So, it's been all reviewed um and and we feel really good about working with forsome. They've been a positive impact the course in operations. So >> what happened to the irrigation situation and um also are they going to continue if they make a certain amount for this for the season that the city will then take what's on top of that or something? >> So yeah, the the agreement just states is that the forsome they're guaranteed 50,000 um to to make and anything on top of that we do split and that had that didn't change. So anything that they make an addition um of their of their their expense and and revenue, we'll do a split that stays the same. The irrigation, are you referring to the project? >> So that's something to discuss for next year's, you know, we we got to have I think December 8th is when the budget will be approved and that's when we'll look at our next year project. So nothing's moved with that. >> That will come back to this commission, I'm assuming, >> or how does that work with that project, the irrigation project? So, in talking with the commission, we we kind of were directed that we want to do a further evaluation of that irrigation system to see if the whole thing needs to get redone or if it's parts of it or is it the [clears throat] pump house or whatever. So, staff will come back throughout the winter. We'll try to work on getting a quote for somebody to actually do a basically an audit on that irrigation system to see if we can bring that number down or if the answer is yes, it's it needs to be all redone. So, I think that was brought up by the commission. Let's just make sure we we're spending those dollars without just spending it. Let's see how bad or how good it it may be. So, >> staff is planning on work on that, finding some contractors to give us that audit. >> But I I don't foresee even if it says it's 100% bad, that would probably be moved to a 2027 project at this point. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Are any other questions on the agreement? If not, entertain a motion. That's a longer one. We won't read it right now, but it's in the memo. [laughter] >> Thanks, Karen. Karen makes that motion that's in the memo. [laughter] >> Happy to have that. >> For the people watching, it's to approve the agreement with Castle uh Forsome Golf Management to manage Castlewood Golf Course. Uh Karen moves second. >> Tim seconds. All in favor? >> All right. Thank you. All right. 15 uh hometown holiday music contract. So similar to Arts in the Park, we have music contracts with uh performers. A lot of it is to do with when you book a night, they just want to make sure that if something happens that there's some sort of agreement lined up where if it gets to that day and we cancel two hours before, there's an understanding of some sort of compensation. But, um, the agreement is is the same that we use for Arts in the Park, just obviously customized to Hometown Holiday. Um, we did opt to do like the live entertainment. We think that's a good draw. um certainly give it a shot and I mean hopefully you guys all attend and can give us some feedback on it. But in years past we've used other local performers. Um this year we're going to we're going to still have some local performances but just add that live entertainment piece. Um so this the music contract is pretty straightforward. Again it's uh [laughter] basically that the performer will come in um for $300 and perform for 45 minutes. The performer is a local Forest Lake grad who does some, you know, wedding performances and stuff like that. So, it's something that we're excited to have, but this contract just makes that both sides, we have expectations from them and they have expectations from us. >> Any questions? >> Aside from the music portion of it, do you have any need for part for participation of commission members at all? I have had my staff update to to ask you guys kind of Yep. some involvement. >> Make a motion. It's clear. This one's easy. >> All right. Karen wants to make the motion. >> I know. I said I don't have to make them all. Somebody else wants to make it. This is clear. >> But nobody's Nobody's keeping track. Karen, you're good. >> We're good. >> No, Karen. >> All right. I make a motion to recommend council approves the city of foresight entertainment performance agreement. >> All right. Karen moves and I'll second. Aaron seconds. Right. >> Everybody to the right today. Uh all in favor? >> Good. >> I opposed. [laughter] All right, that passes. I think that's all the approvals today, right, Kyle? >> Yep. >> Go back up to the agenda and we are on to staff updates. Dave's got nothing. >> No updates for me today. >> I got a list, don't worry. >> Um, so we do have I don't know if everyone saw that email, but there are two commissioner terms up January 31st, 2026. Um, those commissioners can reapply. Um, so we will need to fill those two spots. Um, I believe it's Karen and Sandra. So, um, how that worked is you guys were all on a tiered system where we had Some of you sign a three-year um some sign a two-year and some sign a one-year just so we didn't have everybody expiring at the same time. Um the like so Karen in your situation you've served for one year that doesn't count towards your total total serve years though. I believe there's a isn't there a limit on it's like eight years or >> Yep. So th this one year and then the two-year folks it doesn't count for that either. So, anyone that's in a three-year term, that does count towards your total, but anyone that's not, it does not count to your totals. So, it is something that we we will need to fill two positions. I believe council ultimately makes the final decision on that. So, certainly um you know, up to you to reapply and and then again, just to help spread the word that we are going to need to fill two chairs um this this upcoming year for the parks commission. [snorts] >> I'd certainly like to reapply. I haven't given you near enough grief yet. And >> I need more time. >> Who are you asking? Is that Are you asking me that? >> I'm ready for you to leave [laughter] yet. >> And we need somebody to make motions. So >> Oh, that's true. No, you know, it was good to have that differentiate for the years, but yeah, I just really like to have another >> That's something that uh I believe Jolene has sent out emails um with some updates on that and so everyone should have that. If you for some reason if you need information on it, just let me know. Um if you for some reason you don't see it or it's not in the inbox. >> Is this the gall? >> You don't need to scan a QR code to reapply. Good. >> Or maybe or maybe we need to change that. [laughter] >> I'm going to change it down at the park. >> You were asking Karen. Sandra is the other one. >> And Sandra has been unable to attend a lot. So it'll be up to her to see if she wants to >> Yep. get replied. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Um hometown holiday, we have that event coming up December 5th. It's Friday. Um it's the week after Thanksgiving week. So certainly we we do have some volunteer needs. Otherwise, again, it's it's always my goal with the commissioners to be able to come down and enjoy it versus having to have a responsibility there. But um if anyone's wanting to volunteer um we have things like uh the bonfire pits with s'more stations just kind of having supervision. You're in charge of you know fire extinguisher if it's needed or anything like that. Making sure everyone's being safe. But um petting zoo, we have um a couple stations there to get people in and out of there, make sure kids are are behaving and not harassing the animals. Um we have a Santa station, a hot cocoa station, stuff like that. So, it's kind of just to be there and greet people obviously, but then help. Um, Olaf, we're looking for Olaf again. >> I did it. I did my my time. I want to be able to talk to people. >> You know, it's funny. Nette brought that up and said that you did it. I was like, "Oh, that's funny because I wouldn't have even obviously really known known you at that time last year." But yeah, so we we do we we have some leads for like an Olaf costume and all that. There's there's an opening analog opening >> for all y'all to [snorts] know about. [laughter] >> Thank you for that. By the way, >> would you like us to just um let you know between now and then? >> Yeah. >> Station we'd like to help with. >> Yep. Yep. You can and you can just let me know what you want to help and then I'll cuz Nette ultimately with the chamber it's a partnered event. I don't know if you guys probably don't remember the first uh meeting we kind of had a breakdown of all that information of there's some city events, city partnered events. We do partner with the chamber on that and that's part of Nette's role is to arrange the volunteers. But if you want to be a volunteer or if you just want to attend um we're also going to have the city tent um and we forgot something. The vet memorial committee, they're [clears throat] selling Culver's calendars >> um like a coupon book. So we're actually going to have them down there with the city tent. So we'll we'll have that. So again, even if you want to hang out and just greet people, um that's that's totally fine. We we encourage you to come down for sure. >> What are the hours? Um the event starts at 4:30 and we estimate it to end around 7. Um for volunteers >> when they light in the tree is that >> that's at like 655ish that >> Yep. Um and then for volunteers we're asking people to probably it's going to be about four o'clock to show up by [snorts] >> I think it's fun to get to know each other better too to if we can show up. >> I would say I did the hot chocolate several of the years. years and it's really fun. But boy, that would be nice to kind of break that up in the middle because it's it is some serious [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Hand them out. And when you think you have enough, you do not have enough. It's like napkins. >> Yeah. >> Those [snorts] napkin problems. [laughter] >> So yeah, if you if anyone's interested, like I said, otherwise just come down. Obviously, we'll we'll be there. You're more than welcome to. I think staff were planning on being down there about 2 2:30ish or somewhere to start setups and public works does do a lot to get that set up and arrange. They move tables, get the bonfire pits set, cone things off similar to arts in the park. So they they do a lot for us. So we'll be down there pretty early, too. >> Oh, I'll be there. >> Awesome. Um update. So I believe it was October we talked about some online software. um for scheduling specifically around like the Fenway fields now that we're doing that. Um something that the city has not had a um in-depth software to smoothly do rentals. Um currently our software does great for gazebo rentals and park shelter rentals, but we did just today had a presentation on that. Um it is a hefty initial investment. I feel like it's pretty worthy. It's it's there's a lot of information that this system takes care of for you versus you following up on a lot and having to plug in a lot of information. The initial investment it's uh $8,88 and then an annual fee of around $7,400. So that's something that we're still trying to get some more information on um with this with this company. It's Civic Plus, who is our backing for our website. And then they have another um another portion of that, Civic Wreck. And what the system does is um basically you plug in all your information and users will go through and they'll check the box of what they are, what group they are. It automatically classifies them, automatically kicks out bills, automatically puts in their time slots, um if they need field prep or not. And then staff can easily set up uh um the system will kick out emails to those that are going to be doing the field prep and can just do a daily email to them saying these are your fields that need games and stuff like that. So it is almost like replacing a you know part-time staff member or just taking you know time off my hands in that sense of tracking. Certainly we'll have to be hands on deck. It's not going to just do everything for us but it does take off a lot. So, it's it's a hefty buy in, but I think from my experience, having that at your fingertips is worth it. So, just that's an update for now. There's no ask or anything like that tied to it. We we do another call tomorrow to do some more discussion on it. So, >> thanks for that update. >> Yep. >> I did cover the selling Culver's calendars. Um those are again the veteran committee. They get to sell them for $15. Culver's um just printed out 400 of them and just donated them. So they keep all that revenue from the sales. Culver's gets nothing. Obviously it's advertisement for them, but that was obviously a very generous um give >> and they get coupons. >> Correct. Yeah. So when you when you buy the book for $15, you get about $60 worth of coupons to Culver's. >> So it's a it's a it's really a win >> kind of for everybody. So [snorts] there's only 400. So we think they're going to go pretty quick >> because businesses businesses were asked if they want to buy them for their So those 400 if that's all they have, they're going to go very quick. >> Correct. Yep. So the chamber um with working with the committee had put it out to all the businesses, local businesses, basically saying if you want to buy them and sell them to your site, we'll direct people to go and purchase them from you. Ultimately is kind of how they're they're moving that. So it's we think they're going to go pretty quick. um kind of a little celebration for the Arts in the Park. I I think I don't know if we brought it up in October that it was up for a nomination of a a community award for event. Um and and yeah, it did win the green award. The definition of that was a celebrates chamber member businesses and organizations that lead by example and environmental stewardship, including implementing community-minded volunteer efforts into their operations by showcasing how sustainability can be for good for business. These leaders inspire others to adopt similar practices. Voters shared that uh glowing remarks for uniting the community week after week throughout the summer. Voters highlighted that the event has grown so much in the past two years and remains a shining example of good in our community. Others noted that it brings people together while leaving the park clean and respected. So, it's just kind of a a you know, for city staff, public works team again does a lot. And then we have our park rangers that stayed there till 10 10:30 sometimes trying to make that park spotless. And anything they missed, you know, public works obviously is right on top of it in the morning. So, it's a it's a nice nice recognition for the city for that event. [clears throat] Um, one other thing I have is uh so staff is going to be meeting with Leela and NLA, the two local charter schools, and that's going to discuss field usage where those charter schools have really had not a lot of opportunity for field usage. There has been some for the baseball, but like uh the NLA softball team has had to go down to Lo Lakes to practice and play their games. Um but part of the policy that you guys have recommended, you know, builds them into the usage plan where before, you know, FLA had had those fields and basically just booked them solid. So they never really had a good opportunity to get in um to those fields. So that's something that I'm looking forward to working with with those charter schools on. They're super appreciative and excited about it because it can really make a difference in their programs of having a nice nice home field to practice and play on consistently. >> And again, when you talk to them, remind them how pristine those fields are and how they'd have to be left in exactly the same order because they would have a much smaller staff to be able to do that. But I think it'd have to be number one on the list that they they know about that. >> Yep. >> They're not just an old practice field somewhere. >> Yep. my so we had the NLA Leela combined for a baseball team um and there was a high school baseball team. They used field five this year um a little bit and they were great to work with. Super respectful of our asks of um earlier in the year not doing certain things to tear up the turf and stuff like that. So they've been good to work with. But yeah, thanks for that. Um that's wraps up my updates. Okay. Uh, parks and recck commissioner updates when we start. Erin, I'm good. Karen, >> just had some communication today about QR codes. [laughter] I would have mentioned before [clears throat] that I think it was David that had the idea of maybe having one up at at Baby Park. So, if people are walking by, they could do it. I mean, that's just an aside. I like the fact that we're going to send it out, but not against them totally, but there is a whole segment of the population that doesn't use them. Yep. We've wrapped that up too. That that would be for next year for sure when uh Sean Subur Park is up right away in the spring. We'll get the marketing at the park that'll say this is the next on the list or something like that with that QR code to try to get the community involvement right away and get that feedback throughout the summer. So, we're not here next fall asking you what you think. We'll already know what that community uses that park really wants at that park. So, I think that's going to be super helpful that we [clears throat] want to get on that right schedule of getting the information before we come to present you. We'll have everything ready. >> And where is the bike racks for um belts? Where is that at? Because my little homemade sign has moved around a couple times, but I haven't seen any bikes on there. So, that's good. But when would we be able to get the bike rack? >> Uh next spring. >> We also came up with a plan. We talked in October about that display. We have a plan to get the the signs up for like park rules, if you will. Um, I'm assuming that would go up in the spring also, that sign because it's got to get drilled in and >> so yep, next spring for sure. >> Okay. Thank you. Y okay. Uh last meeting you had me join the public works facility steering committee and we had our first meeting what last week Dave uh big cross-section of community members on it >> to start guiding the new public works facility. >> I mean we sit here every meeting talking about making our parks great, but you need to have a great building to maintain those parks. If question is, do you really need a new building? I would all you got to do is look at the current public works buildings. But even before the committee started uh when it first talked to the c when the council first got a workshop on this professional construction manager, they reported that they did over three they've done over 300 assessments of public buildings in Minnesota and only 10 times have they recommended that the buildings be demolished. Forest Lake has two of them. So, the need is undeniable that we need a new public works building. >> Um, is it a is is there a price tag to it? Certainly. But there's also a cost of not doing it and it's only going to get bigger. So, I'll keep the committee updated, but it's a good group. There's a great architect uh working on it and certainly Dave staff and the council and mayor are heavily involved. So, it's needed for the community. >> All right. Uh, Sue, >> I don't have anything. >> Tim, >> Melissa, >> just looking forward to the hometown holiday. >> All right, with that, uh, somebody besides Karen want to make a motion to adjurnn. >> Tim and a second. >> I'll second. >> Sue will second that. All in favor? >> All right. >> [music]