All right. And now we'll call the Monday, September 29th, Forslick Area School Strategic Plan School Board Member Subcommittee meeting to order. Um, we'll just read off who's here. >> Sorry, >> it's our recorder. >> You let me know when you're ready. >> Yeah, I will. All right, we're good. Okay, so um we'll just start off with just who's who's in the room. Uh Kurt Rebeline, the chair of the school board. >> Tessa Antonson, clerk. >> Jill Christensen. Oh, sorry, Dr. Massie. >> Go ahead. >> Jill Christensen, school board member. >> And Steve Massie, superintendent. >> All right. And we are making up the subcommittee. uh we're going to be really informal. So unless there's objection, we'll just approve the agenda and move on from there. So >> all right. >> All right. >> So this evening uh that the purpose of the meeting is to discuss and review options for updating the 2020 to 2025 district strategic plan. And our task here this evening um and possibly if we need another meeting or even a couple of other meetings is to develop a recommendation for the whole board to consider regarding the process the board may undertake to update, revise or rewrite the 2020 to 2025 district strategic plan. That's it. Um pretty basic. So, I I don't know if we want to start, but basically getting one another's thoughts out um first and kind of decide what we want to what we're each thinking individually and then uh we can build on there. Does that sound reasonable? >> Sure. >> All right. You want to start, Joe? >> Um yeah. Well, um I spent some time um looking into uh the MSBA and um sort of what they can offer and uh some other things like that. Just kind of doing some research. Um but again tonight um like you mentioned that we're just talking about a process. So I think you know we'll have to be cautious not to kind of go down into you know some rabbit holes of how we might do it. I mean if we're just here to talk about the process. So, I was kind of just thinking about that and I was thinking about at first I was thinking um you know when we were in um uh u a previous discussion it must have been at the last meeting but we were just talking about how maybe we'll um an option could be to instead of you know what is there five points or something to make it three or to nar you know back or yeah do things like that or combine things and and at first I was thinking well you know if we're kind of just tinkering tinkering ing around the edges like maybe the board maybe that's something that the board could do. Um, but then the more I thought about it, I thought, you know, we might get into it thinking that we might just tinker around the edges, but then maybe something comes up or someone, you know, we hear some other feedback or something and then we we might want more uh more indepth. And then I was thinking about um I just made some notes here. You know, if we're um you know, I just came around more to be thinking about an independent facilitator because I just thought an independent facilitator um they're bringing to the table, they're bringing neutrality, which I think is important, and they're bringing objectivity, which I think is important. So we, you know, we're pretty close to the topic here. So we might, you know, being so close to it, there might be something that we don't see or we might miss something that someone who maybe is a little more objective or a little more neutral might see. Um I also think um that since we use a lot of the MSBA policies and the wording and those kinds of things, we're already really familiar with MSBA. I know there's other groups that do it um too, but I was kind of thinking, well, you know, we already use MSBA for some of the policies. And I just thought um you know trying to be fair and transparent and bringing in other kinds of different groups. I just thought and also with other things that we have on our board agenda, there's other things that we're doing. So I just >> I guess long story short, at first I was leaning more towards yeah, I think this is something that we could do as a board. And then the more I've been thinking about it and looking into some things, I'm like, I really feel like an independent facilitator would really be the way um to go for the reasons that I laid out. >> Okay. And ju just for a little context here, Dr. M, correct me if I'm wrong, but MSBA was our facilitator when we generated this one, correct? A number of years ago. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Member Anthony, do you have any thoughts? Well, since I've never done this before, um I'm open to a multitude of ideas. I'm glad to be here to help facilitate conversation and be part of it. Um I think that we do have a decent framework and I I know that every administrator that came up here and spoke said how helpful it was to have this to refer to as a roadmap to what to do. Um, I'd in addition to this being a road map, um, like it to be a very bold statement of our district's uh, principles and, you know, just be right out there and to what we believe is most important. And I mean, I and I realize that's on here and part of it. Um, and I think that we can maybe add to that and make it even more communicative to the public and not just the people that are inner working in the schools. >> Makes sense. I can add add to that. I look at the well, I guess to me the strategic plan is more about the district's core values, our core core beliefs, and these are the things that we really want to focus on. When I look at it through a lens of uh of business, I look at this as kind of the overarching. These are the two or three things that that really define us as an organization. These are this is what we do and the specific goals underneath that are more or or the how we get there are things that we delegate to our superintendent. So when I look at the strategic plan, I think it's really good. I I like the work that the community did what about five years ago in setting this up, but my opinion is that there's it's too specific. There's there's too many there's too many goals. There's 10 goals. There's six different focus areas. And I think that the best way to add to this plan personally is by really highlighting the things that are paramount and that we need to most focus on. And then allowing our administration team to work with those two or three overarching specific goals that can last a lifetime, not just five years, and then tune the goals and the the focus areas underneath that to achieve those couple of things. So, um, that that's kind of the way I look at the the strategic plan myself. And, uh, I guess in a way that I'm already throwing my cards out on the table of how I think we should, uh, proceed with this. Not to push back on member Christensen, but the the facilitation point, you make a really good point about it being more open, more collaborative, more objective because we don't have that that or because we will have that third party that's maybe not as attached. But personally, I think that would kind of water it down. It would take away some of our identity and it would make it almost boiler point or uh boilerplate and just just like everybody else. And and I think what we need to do with our strategic plan, at least uh in my opinion, would be to stick with our vision and our core beliefs and what are the three things that we can do to really drive that vision and those core beliefs. And then we uh like I said, we we delegated to our superintendent to figure out how do we get there and what types of things do we promote in that regard. Um, so just to be clear, you you think that the board ourselves should do that then or >> I think so. Yeah, we're the most connected. We're we we have the most direct conversations with the community here. I think the seven of us together, we have a really good idea of what the community expects, the types of things that uh we're really driving for. Um, we've all been actually all seven of us have been uh in some pretty active campaigns just in the past couple of years. So I think we can draw off that experience, understand what the community feedback was while we were running for election, the different things that people have um expressed interest in and then really help us focus in on the three things that our community really cares about. >> I guess so that's my thought. Yeah, I guess I would just be a little cautious to draw on any experience that we had during when we were campaigning because at least my recollection two years ago, the campaign was quite um you know, whatever adjective you want to use. So, I I don't I don't know that the feedback that we received during the campaign um I mean it may be helpful in some areas, but I certainly wouldn't want that to be >> any kind of a lead set of information because I feel like we were maybe hearing different things or people were campaigning in different places where other people weren't. So, that and to me that just really feels really I know it's not supposed to be partisan and I wish that naively it wasn't, but I mean it it is. I mean, sadly, that's kind of but so I don't I don't know. I'm a little leerary about using any sort of feedback that we might have heard during the elections. And also, I just want to say um MSBA and and Dr. Massie can maybe speak to this, but they offer and the other groups as well offer different services. So, to be clear, and I spoke first, so I wasn't, you know, I can speak about the strategic plan and how it served us well. I can I I guess I thought the question was about the process, so that's why I went straight to the MSBA. But I think MSBA, they have a really good document on their website about the services they offer. >> And I think that we could um tailor it to whatever we need. I don't think we would have to have the big redo everything and all, you know, months and months of all. I mean, I don't know that we need that, but there's other levels of services. So, I think that we could say MSBA or whoever is assisting us with this, we like the general meat and potatoes of this or whatever and can you help us, you know, kind of work some things around the edges. Also, I think there's another really good point in here that they have too that they can help um make sure that we are um uh I can't find it here now, but not like legally, but like that we're covering all of our bases and that we're doing everything we're supposed to be doing because there is a um something in the Minnesota state statutes that we have to have this striving for comprehensive achievement and civic readiness or the world's best workforce. there's something which I didn't realize there's some things in there that you have to have. >> It's it's just something different now. >> So, I would just want to make sure that um you know that we're following all the things we're supposed to be following. And I just think sort of having some sort of a guide, sort of a neutral objective guide. We could we could say we like these things and these things and they say right in here that you know the school board is the one that you know will vote on this and all that kind of stuff. So, I mean, they just kind of help put the pieces together and then we can obviously have the final say on it or whatever. But, um, so I don't know. I just would feel a little bit concerned with all the workload that we already have um to try to adding together strategic um goals and that we would find I would also think that we would want to find something that we would all be able to land on and agree on. >> Mhm. You know, I think with a strategic plan, you would want, you know, like a 70 vote because we're all on the board with a strategic plan. And if some folks want some things and some folks don't, I mean, then you're >> what, you know, 52, four, whatever, trying to vote on the strategic plan. I'm just not sure if that's a good look for the community at I don't know. >> No, I think that I think that's a really good point. I think there's a lot of things that uh around the board table when all seven of us are here we all agree on >> and that doesn't get called out often enough. I mean we all want students to achieve. We all want to have a good school family communication plan and involvement. We all want fiscal responsibility. >> And I think that the debate really comes down to how do we get there? And that's almost extraneous to the strategic plan. >> I think that that's a really good point. You have anything to >> anything to add to that? >> I understand what member Christensen is saying where the concerns lie um about making this too much about us kind of a thing. Is that kind of what you're saying? Um, so I think that's where the community involvement comes in. Um, I don't I I would like Dr. Massie to give us just the synopsis of how it went down again the last time they did it, like how long it took, how many because it sounded like there was different groups of people meeting. >> So, I can't kind of really wrap my head around that. like >> yeah, happy to. >> We keep in mind we started with an outdated strategic plan. We had a strategic plan. It had expired by the time we took on rewriting and ended up with the plan that we have today. The plan that this plan replaced was written for a different time. >> It pointed us in a different direction than this one does. So there was great effort to gather the pulse of the community which was a strength of the MSBA facilitation process >> which included initially a number of listening sessions or focus groups. We determined who were who those groups were. Off the top of my head they included early childhood senior community of our elderly. We had um business community, faith community were all different focus groups. I think we had maybe six, seven different focus groups. We had focus groups with middle school students, high school students, faculty. So maybe 10 different focus groups in total. MSBA facilitated those conversations. Board members were welcome to listen in to hear the conversation. They took really good summitative notes of those conversations and provided summitive anecdotal summitive information and and a summary of those conversations that then uh we then conducted MSBA conducted for us a survey of internal and external stakeholders. Internal of course being faculty, external being parents and community as a whole. We were really satisfied although I don't have the numbers in front of me really satisfied with the participation rate. Felt that it was quite representative of the community. MSBA provided really good summary of the key points being offered through those surveys. with that information completed and that took um member Antonson probably a month, three weeks to a month to complete all those and get those scheduled and then we formed a a committee of I think close to 50 people. Those were comprised of people who offered their names. as we um solicited people who wanted to be a part of that and each principal offered up names of folks who might have an interest. We reached out, formed a committee of internal folks, external folks >> and that was the team that then went to work through the MSB MSBA facilitation on beginning with a set of belief statements, mission, vision, and then focus areas, goals, and objectives. in the background to that large committee was an internal writing team. So the internal writing team and rather than 50 people writing a vision statement, we we captured all the input and then that team of that internal team myself and directors primarily took that information and created drafts. We created a draft of a vision statement, a draft of a mission statement, drafts of belief statements. Those were brought back to the large committee from the standpoint of this is what we heard. What do you think? Give us feedback. There were several iterations of all of those different components as we zeroed in on language that everyone could work with. That's how we ended up with our set of belief statements, vision statement, and mission statement. >> Okay. And then the academic or the focus areas went from dozen or 14 down to the ones that we have some of those combined. And then from there the internal team then captured the input and wrote the goals brought all that back to the large team. They blessed and endorsed the work that the writing team did and felt that it captured the conversation of the large team and then there was a first and a second reading at the board table. And I think without modifications, it was approved from the recommendation of the large team and the writing team. >> So the board members really didn't have much to do. >> Board members, I'm sorry, board members were part of the large team and sat at the large group meetings and were part of small groups when we had breakout sessions. So they were >> really hands-on at that. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> I I wonder Dr. Massie if it maybe cuz um member ant I wasn't here during the strategic planning either but maybe it's a little bit like how when we had all the meetings for combining um putting the sixth grade in the middle school it might be a little bit similar to that um member antinson so we could we could go to them and we could listen and you know so I mean you have to be careful you know that >> that you can't you know there couldn't be more than three of us at those board meetings but the large meetings you can >> really clear that this was >> not a decision making. This wasn't a formal board meeting. Okay? >> There were no decisions made. There were no votes taken. >> And the board can assemble with that clearly articulated on the front end. >> And so the board can really be involved in, you know, even if someone is facilitating, it doesn't mean that the people that are facilitating are in a back room somewhere, you know, doing some things. I mean, we're all taking part in all of this. And the other point I was I was thinking too when um when um Chair Rebline was saying that you know we have kind of a good pulse or we're talking to people in in the community but I think another important thing to think about is um the people that and maybe and but the people that come and speak to the board or the people that are sending us emails those kinds of things I feel like those people are like you know more involved maybe than like the average person you know they kind of know what's going on. They follow the board agenda those kinds of things. I feel like what Dr. Massie was talking about is having these bigger groups and you know you are pulling in people that we we don't hear from you know they're not they don't come and attend the meetings or maybe they're not the ones emailing us. I mean I remember it's not the same but when we went to those other elementary schools I know member Eveline was there too you know one elementary school the parents would be assembled and they were very concerned about you know for example like the bus or something one group and I thought well gosh you know I hadn't thought about that I didn't or whatever it was I don't remember the circumstances and then another school I don't remember but the parents were very concerned about like this totally other thing that the other school hadn't even mentioned so I mean I just feel like >> you know we kind of have to cast the net really wide. I mean, we might think that we know what people are coming here and talking to us about and green cards and what people are concerned about and what people are emailing us about, but I would say that those folks are really, you know, maybe more involved than sort of the average people and that really pointed out to me at those different meet I mean what were there like seven or eight or how many ever those meetings and I mean you'd go and people would talk about totally different things. So, I do think, you know, um some amount of, you know, community input and um you know, is going to be >> Oh, I think so, too. >> Super important. >> I don't know if I made it seem like I wasn't interested in that, but I definitely >> No, you didn't. I just was trying to >> make a correlation between the other meetings that we I question if we need official facilitation to do that or if that's something that we can do internally, especially especially if we're we're starting from a good spot this time. I feel like I I wasn't as familiar with the process when they did this in 2020 to know what was the previous strategic plan >> like how much of an uplift was this? How how out ofd was it? But I feel like this is this is in a pretty good good spot. You know, I looked through it. We've only got of the 10 goals, we've only got a couple of uh objectives that are still outstanding in 2025. When we looked at the results, they were pretty good. So, I just feel like we just need to update it. Um so, I don't know if we need official facilitation for that or if it's something that an administration can do. So I would if I if I can offer a couple of thoughts. >> Facilitation gives you the benefit and the opportunity to participate without having to facilitate and I think there's really good value there. >> Um I think can the board write a good strategic plan? I'm sure they can. If writing a good plan, however, has a consequence of well, this was a plan written by the board. You didn't get any community input. Is is there a price to pay? Is there is there what's the value of of a plan similar to one maybe the board might write, but a plan that the community says we were part of that? Mhm. >> What value does that give the board over the long-term duration of the plan? >> And it might take longer to get there. >> It might cost a bit to get there. Um, is the the gain of a plan that the community feels that they were a part of, that they buy into, that they feel heard in its development and process. um that that that could be invaluable from the standpoint of the leverage it gives the board and the district. >> I say that without saying you should have a facility. >> No, that's articulate some of the the pros and cons of >> can can the board write a plan? I have no doubt. >> Um >> do we have the good frame a good framework? Yeah, I think we have a great framework. Does it need to be modified to speak to today and tomorrow? For sure. >> Um, but if we do that at the expense of not getting the community around the table, I I think there could be a price to pay for that. I would offer >> hearing the benefits of facilitation. Do we have options or is MSBA the only game in town? >> There are there are different options. Um, District Management Group is out of New York. were a member. Um, several of us will be at their conference in >> February. >> In February, um, but that'll cost you six figures. Okay. >> Um, I've I've spoken with uh John Kim. He's the director CEO and they do good work, but they also don't know our community and we run the risk of a more boilerplate to use your word. >> Yeah. >> Plan rather than one that captures the essence of our community. >> Teamworks does strategic planning and MSBA are the ones I'm familiar with. I don't know director team if you're familiar with other ones. Teamworks would be approaching six figures. I know that MSBA was at a conference today and spoke with some of their folks around strategic planning. Again, I'm not trying to steer an outcome here. their cost to do a complete rewrite of all the different or to engage all the components we did the to write this plan would be close to 35,000. >> Okay. >> If we do less >> yeah we did >> then it would be of course less than 35 >> because I think that would be the high like I said from doing a little bit of looking into that today that that would be like the whole thing and to to both of your points. I mean, I think we're starting with in a really good place. I don't think we're looking at throwing it out the window and doing a whole brand new thing, but um >> I do just feel like to >> yeah, just building trust in the community and making sure that everyone feels like they own the strategic plan. Um I don't know. I guess my question I mean I don't think that we could go wrong hiring a facilitator who is neutral and objective and can help us with some things. We're not rewriting the whole thing. But I do think if we kind of go it alone strategy, I mean there could be some, you know, pitfalls that maybe we don't foresee. I mean, what is that thing called? group think, you know, where everybody thinks >> the same and then they miss kind of a >> a, you know, a glaring thing. I think we've all been in situ I've certainly been in situations where, oh yeah, wow, that's a great idea, you know, and then, you know, you're you're missing something because you're so close to it. >> Yeah. But but to that point, I think that's one excellent advantage we have with the current board that we have is we've been really good at not getting stuck in group think. Really good at that. So, I kind of fear that the the community group might get stuck in group think before the seven of us would, but that doesn't really discount community input either. That that's a really important piece. Um, I keep referring back and look looking back to the strategic plan of the different things in it and different ways that we could tweak it. I I think you're right. I don't think we need a full facilitation. I think we just need to >> it would really be really good to get some community input on what's good in this plan, what what needs to be replaced in this plan. And I I guess my biggest concern is do we really need six focus areas or can we really hyper tune that? Uh I do know I was I was looking at the state statute. A lot of it I I look at director Jacobson out there because it falls in his camp on uh um the the curriculum development and not to put you on the spot, but can you help us understand that piece of it a little bit because I I think some of our goals are really specific due to some of the specific wording in the in the statutes. Or am I missing something? I think it was >> you might not need to. >> No. I think the the one uh really the one statute that I would point to and I think it was mentioned by both member Christ and Johnson earlier is the comprehensive achievement and civic readiness requirement >> really drive school districts to have strategic conversations. >> Um in the past that was called world's best workforce as we know they've they've changed that up on us. Uh I I think when you look in statute alignment with that component and it's I mean it's all components that everybody would wrap their brains around all students being able to read >> um al preparing students for post college post high school uh success those sorts of things those would be the real things that I would say would want to be captured in whether it's six focus areas eight focus areas four focus areas whatever it is that's the only I think statute related element here to like what needs to be within the strategic plan. >> So for the most part things that we would have put in there anyway, >> correct? >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean that's goal number three is excellence in career college and future preparedness. So that's basically that. >> Yeah. And the first one speaks to world's best workforce or >> the civic readiness statute. >> Yeah. Yeah, when I when I speak of simplification, I think just some of these can be combined. Sure. And then the implementation piece and that that's where I get a little confused when I look at 12 beat at 11. It talks about um having specific goals in here. So, if if we were to have some facilitation, that that would be my question is if they give us the uh legal support to make sure that what we're writing actually adheres to this so we don't have to go out and hire extra counsel >> to make sure that we adhere to this. >> And that was a point I made earlier, you know, just making sure that we're following everything that we're supposed to be following because of course, you know, we're not experts on that. We need some help on that. But if we're going to pay, I guess the point I'm making, if we're paying facilitation, I don't want to pay for legal opinions on top of facilits within those those pervers. >> Yeah. >> Um, do they do different levels of facilitation or Oh, they do. You did say that. Okay. >> Yeah. I I think >> I mean I do think I'm going to mean interrupt you but I think also it's >> past time that our community can start learning to work together and respecting each other's differences of opinion. So I think this would be a good opportunity to get a multitude of people in a room together and actually ask questions and talk about things uh without accusing anybody of anything and listening. So, you know, >> yeah, >> and maybe if we have big troubles when we start doing it, if we were to do a few like get people together on their own >> and we have trouble, then we get them in sooner than later >> perhaps. >> And that kind of a conversation facilitated externally >> could be of great value, >> well, and I think it also builds goodwill in the community. I'm thinking again, I think it was um uh a dad Sean Thomas I think it was who came and spoke about I don't remember if he was on the middle school committee I don't remember but he spoke about >> boundary changes >> boundary changes and I remember specifically he said oh I went to the meeting thinking oh you know no one's going to you know I paraphrasing what he said but that no one was going to listen or it didn't matter what he said and I mean I haven't seen him in front of the school board I don't think before or I'm not familiar with it and he said you boy, you know, I was so happy to feel heard and feel that the pe people were listening to what he was saying and valuing his opinion. >> So, I think in context of what you're saying there, I think, you know, again, casting that broad net. Mh. >> So we might be hearing things that we're not thinking about, you know, someone else is thinking about it and then people feel heard and people feel engaged and um again I think um we're not in a hurry as I understand stand. I mean you know it's not like we have to you know quick and we don't have time for >> meetings or whatnot. I mean, I think we have time to do it right. And I think there's a value in doing it right and, you know, getting it right and building trust in the community and >> yeah, and like I said in the boardroom, this this plan's serving us well. It's working. I I feel like we got the school year to get this >> kind of nailed down. Mhm. >> So, I'm not sure what the three of you are thinking in terms of recommendation and maybe we're a bit um bit off that point or a bit away from being able to make that recommendation, but you might consider um providing some general guidance to the full board versus specific. And then if part of that recommendation is facilitation um and if the recommendation is to continue with MSBA because of their familiarity with this plan then we engage one re one thought could be to engage MSBA and let them help us figure out the extent of community engagement community input. Is it a are they focus groups? Is it a survey? Is it a large session, small session? They've got experience with all of that and they could help shape the process at that point. I don't think this committee needs to give specific process recommendations more general, right? and then let >> um the board work with MSBA, admin work with MSBA, combination thereof to define specific steps >> or or do we want to keep it as this subcommittee and administration working with MSBA to answer some of the initial questions like >> because I'm I'm looking at MSBA's website here and >> um you you can tell that our current one was built around this because they work on you know setting core beliefs, >> establishing a mission and a vision and then establishing goals and objectives and that that's where I've already uh kind of expressed my concerns around most most specifically the objectives because I' I'd like for those to be dynamic because I when we were going through the results I'm like oh we did that so then does it just drop or do we continue that work and tweak the objective and that's what we hire a superintendent to do so I have a little disagreement about this format. I think it's great when you're you're setting up your first one, but maybe not great to watch it grow. >> Um, so that would be a question I would have for them is how much uh fluidity do we have in kind of their formula here? And then uh the the process being, you know, clarify the strategic plans committee's work. That's step one. I feel like this maybe this group could have that initial conversation with MSBA and say this is kind of what we're thinking as a subcommittee. we're going to make this recommendation to the full board. Can you help us under understand and unpack this and get some answers um earlier in the process? And then uh number two and three, you know, meeting with stakeholders is great. And then uh then they talk about moving through that five-step process in uh step number three. And that that five-step process is probably going to be simplified because we're starting from a good spot. Well, and if you if you're looking on that same brochure, I am the strategic planning brochure. Tess, I'm sorry if we're referring to something you don't have up there, but they talk about um school districts can use a survey to solicit input from stakeholders about school district strength and weaknesses. Survey responses are confidential. All responses will be collected and analyzed by MSBA, which I think right there would be super helpful, too. You know, information collected through the survey help shape the strategic plan priorities, you know, blah blah blah. and um you know so I think um yeah I I think that we could say this is what we have and we're overall generally pleased with it. We want to do a few minor things. You know what would that look like on your end? We have some questions to your point member or chairline some of the questions that you had and other questions that people have and then kind of you know just go go from there. What do you think? Member Antonson again. [Music] >> Allergies. >> Oh god. >> I have a cough drop. Do you need a cough drop? >> I'll go steal something from >> I have some right here. >> I just keep them in my bag. >> Yes, I'm am open to that. I think perhaps it might be good to just get some initial input like >> what's the what do we need first of all and what you did you say that with the surveys it was they put it all together thank you so much >> so that was what was help I mean because we've done surveys through our you know our you've put surveys out I mean >> well yeah that's true but What is the difference in them doing one for us or us? >> They've got experience with surveys. Um, they might very well use the same survey we put out last time >> or we would have a chance to modify questions, add questions, change questions. >> Is there a way to see what those were? >> Sure. before. I mean, because I think that would be helpful if we, you know, because maybe something isn't even going to be I mean, I'm sure it's still all fairly relevant, but if if >> you know, there might be something that isn't, you know, that we >> I don't know. I think it would be >> I also just think sometimes, you know, if these folks specialize in, you know, I mean, we, you know, we're kind of the jack of all trades here, up for a lot of things. And um you know if you can hire someone to help you that that is what they do. So maybe they might say you know this over here worked really good. We tried it at this school or oh this over here didn't go so good you know um you know just to have that kind of level of expertise that in a very you know specific area that we >> you know that we don't have. I mean, we know our our school of course obviously, but you know, if there's some things that they can bring that worked in other places. I was kind of googling around like good who has like really great strategic plans and they mentioned, you know, um small schools, big schools. There was a small school where I'm from um that they mentioned had a really good strategic plan and I was just it just got me thinking like what makes a really good strategic plan. What makes a not so good strategic plan? You know, you can kind of compare them. I was trying to look at different ones. Well, I, you know, that's kind of a lot, >> you know. So, they might say, "Well, this works good or it doesn't or >> Well, it could be as simple as that. I was just looking at the clock going, we've accomplished a lot in 40 minutes here. >> Um, we have one more of these already on the calendar and scheduled. Is that correct? >> Is it the 8th? Yeah, I was just going to say the ETH. >> Would that be enough time or would does MSBA ever bring representatives to have these discussions? >> So, would that be enough time to get somebody from MSBA here so we can run through these questions? Maybe kind of vet this out. >> Yeah, if if it would please the group, I would reach out to Gail Gilman who worked with us the last time. check her availability. If she's not available on the ETH, if there's a better day that works for her, I can share that out with the committee. >> Sure. Yeah. And we're we're early enough in the process now where we can easily give notice and pivot that meeting. I don't think we need an official >> committee or board action to to reschedu that. >> Um >> I think that would be really helpful because then we can just hear what >> what she has to say, thoughts. Yeah. Um, >> yeah, I feel like that's consensus consensus in the room and none of us are discounting public input. We want more public input. >> Um, the concern I've shared is I just like I I don't want it to become too arduous of a process, too process because we're >> I feel like we're in good shape. >> We just need to tweak it a little bit and and we'll be good to go. So, >> well, she might very well agree with that since she helped us. >> You helped write it the last time. Yeah. like, "Oh, this report was great." You know, sure, we can just push them. >> That's a good plan. That is a good That's a good point. She might come in and go, "This is really good. Now, we just need to tune these holes and >> adjust this." >> I hate to break. >> I have had conversation with her >> and one, yes, she she thinks we got a really good plan. >> In fact, she would say one of the better ones that she has worked on. >> But she says it was written precoid. >> Yeah. It was >> preai. Yeah, >> pre- a lot of things and we're >> pointed in a different future than we wrote this one for. >> So, we need to >> really fully understand today and tomorrow. >> Yeah. >> And where the community wants the district to go. I can't >> agree more with the comment. I don't know who made the comment, but a strategic plan without a 70 vote would be a mistake. >> Member Christensen might mention that. Yeah, >> that would be a mistake. So any which way we can have a plan that >> the full board endorses >> I think is really really critical for the plan and for the district. >> Yeah, I I couldn't agree more because like like I said every night, no matter how contentious the topic we're talking about, seven of us agree on at least a couple of core things about what we want to bring to the district. So >> if that's what we focus our plan on, we're going to have a really good plan. I just shared the link to your email. >> Oh, okay. Thank you. >> Which provided an executive summary >> of the survey along with the questions, the number of responses and so on. >> That should be in your >> All right. Looks like I got that as well. Um gosh, do we have anything more we want to dig into or are we already at a consensus for this evening? >> Do we have a plan for next week? I think as far as I'm concerned >> I mean do you feel like >> you think they you'll be able to get somebody here and within a week and or next t what I can't remember the eth >> next Wednesday I think. >> Well you can try and if you can't then >> we can figure it out. >> Yeah. Then then the three of us just over uh email as long as we do it within the notification period we can reschedule that as needed. >> Okay. >> We'll get it rescheduled. uh get the notification out on the um on the website so people know when we're going to be here and we'll do this again and >> do you I mean I know this is an informal setting so are you okay that we just kind of are saying agree or like how other times do we have to go down the line? >> Oh if if we want an official I I can say without objection that's going to be the plan. >> No that's I just didn't know how you wanted to >> y >> other times we've had to do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. and board meeting it's a little bit more formalized but this evening I think uh >> I think we're good to go with just having an informal consensus like that >> I think it was great good discussion >> all right >> okay >> well and without objection we will adjourn >> wow >> thank you Renee >> thank you >> thanks everybody >> oh my goodness I want this to go