I now call the regular school boardmeeting for Lake Area Schools, Thursday, November 20 20th, 2025 to order. Pleasejoin us while we recite the pledge of allegiance.>> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republicfor which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty andjustice for all. Member clerk, will you please take theroll call of attendance? >> I will. Member Antonsen is here. MemberTyson >> here.>> Member Corkran >> here.>> Member Christensen >> here.>> Member Rebeline >> here.>> And member Castle >> here.>> Everybody's here. >> All right. All here. I would entertain amotion to approve tonight's meeting agenda.>> So moved. >> Second.>> I have a motion to second. Is there any discussion?>> Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I.>> I. >> Those opposed. Motion carries. brings usto scheduled and unscheduled visitors. Do we have any green cards this evening?>> No. >> All right, we have no green cards thisevening. So, we'll move to committee reports. Um, if it pleases the board, Iwill do 916 at the very end here. I got to look that up quickly and we'll gostraight to finance. Um, finance. Uh, Dr. Mass.>> Yeah. So, we received the uh audit report uh from our Carlson group that umdoes our audit now, Jackie. He um Heigle provided that report um presented aclean audit for the school district with improving fund balance uh improvingenrollment and overall uh positive um audit especially with respect to thegeneral fund community education um and our food service fund. So a goodaudit report. >> All right. Any questions or comments onfinance? No, I can I can just speak to that. Um yeah, clean audit andeverything looks good and Jackie's been our tax person for multiple years nowand said everything's looking really great. [clears throat] And um yeah, fundbalance increases. And um we also talked about how the the difference between 24and 25 because we had some CO money in 2024 that we also spoke to that we werereally careful to use those CO funds for one-time expenses to not have thingsthat are reoccurring to have problems in the next years. Some districts did not.We were had the foresight to be smart about the way we spent our money. Sothat has not been an impact for us. Um, but overall a clean audit and I justwant to thank uh the finance team and Chrissy um doing a great job because weare ahead of the game getting it done earlier than most districts.>> Yeah, thank you member Corkran. I I'll add on onto that and see we do have ourtruth and taxation and coming up in December. So be on the lookout for that.>> Um and that will bring us to communications director Eddie Good evening. So, communications today,um, our topic was email, but before we got to that, um, I wanted to bring yourattention to the fact that this should have been delivered to all yourmailboxes. Um, it hit mine this weekend sometime. This would this is our annualnewsletter. It looks a little different. We've modernized it a little bit thisthis year and made it um, more applicable to all of our districtresidents because that's who it goes to. It's not just a family goes toeverybody. So, we we commented that this is available. If you would like morecopies, I have more in my office. Uh we were talking about email communicationsand um most of our principles and buildings send out one email a week atleast in the form of a newsletter and other emails as needed. Our teachersalso are pretty good at emailing uh their parents of their students uh whenneeded and some of them even send out weekly newsletters. Um, we did talkabout that perhaps there's a need for new teachers coming on board to havesome tips and tricks about how to email parents and how often to email and thatkind of thing. Uh, so we can work on that as well. Um, and then district wesend emails as needed. For instance, we recently sent an email out to ourfamilies with a few noteworthy things. One of them being um, winter weather'scoming up. So, make sure that you're on the list and getting all of these emailcommunications. Um, if for some reason a parent finds they are not receivingcommunications from their principal, they can call their school, they um,occasionally they opt out or they put themselves on do not call list and thatwinds up with them not receiving things. We want to make sure that if we have asnowstorm, they get the message that we're cancelling or whatnot. So, sothose are a couple to-dos for those who [clears throat]might find themselves not getting the email. We want to make sure everybody'sgetting the message. That's all. >> Thank you. Any comments or questions youhave? >> All right. Seeing none, thank you verymuch. We'll move to curriculum, instruction, and equity. DirectorJacobson. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh tonight we uh did ourannual presentation on our comprehensive achievement and civic readiness plan. Uhif you're wondering what that is, that was previously known as the world's bestworkforce legislation. We talked through uh our progress toward our various goalslast year and we looked at our uh proposed goals for this year. We had apretty good conversation around uh some important aspects around studentattendance in efforts to bolster and improve student attendance, consistentstudent attendance as a as a way to improve student learning at school. Umand we also talked about uh goals around lifelong learner and learning and howcan we uh make efforts toward fostering lifelong learning learning. How might wemeasure that long term? Uh it was a pretty good discussion there. Uh then wewe then transitioned to uh an overview of our amended ANI plan that the boardpassed uh last April. Uh we went through all the different goals that we have inour amended ANI plan. We looked at some baseline data related to those goals andof course we'll be measuring uh our uh results of those of that plan and as itrelates to those goals um here toward the end of this year. So uh those werethe topics covered and if people have uh some questions I'd love to answer them.>> When you say measuring the goals at the end of this year do you mean the end ofthis school year or do you mean the end of this year? the end of at the end ofthis school year 2526 we'll be looking the goals that we looked at during ouruh curriculum and instruction equity uh committee meeting were the goals for the2526 school year. >> Yeah. Okay.>> All right. Excellent. Any other questions?All right. We will move on to policy. Director Freriedman.>> Thank you. [clears throat] Good evening.>> We talked this evening about three particular policies. One was a revisitof the um administrative code of ethics and with a little bit of revisions therethat'll be coming back to you um at the next meeting. Uh, one was an update tothe school weapons policy, catching us up with uh, the model policy as well asthe state statutes. I will take this opportunity to um to posit to the boardmembers here this evening that there's at least one community member who wouldreally like us to know that she would really rather that we never availourselves of some of these possible exceptions that could only be done by byboard approval anyway. She would really like that never to happen. So as to likeum gun shows is particularly the one um hopefully that whoever wanted to put ona gun show could find a different location to do so. Okay. Um and also wedid have some beginning conversation about the board's the a prospectivepublic participation policy that we don't currently have today but theconcept of should we have one and if so what doesit look like? So that's what I got for you.>> All right. Thank you. Any questions, comments, anything to add?>> All right. That will bring us to staff welfare. Dr. Messi,>> we use staff welfare to always take a look at our monthly enrollment trends.I'm happy to share that we continue to track in a ve very positive way withrespect to enrollment. We are currently sitting at as as of November 1st127 students over our revenue budgeted number. That is actually trackinggreater than how we were tracking the previous year. And the previous year weended with a very positive uh enrollment trend. So very good news on theenrollment fund continues to be very strong.We also provided an update on the bullying prevention working group thatmember Antinson sits on along with I think five other community members andstaff members. Uh the first meeting we took a look atuh really the best practices around components of bullying prevention from abigger more global perspective. What are those components of effectiveanti-bullying efforts in school districts?had discussion around those different dimensions and topics. We'll have ournext meeting December 3rd and at that meeting we'll take a look at our currentpractices with respect to building culture capacity that creates a sense ofkindness and belonging throughout our schools as well as our efforts toaddress bullying when bullying situations occur. And then our finalmeeting will open up the conversation to uh gather input from those committeemembers on uh what we're doing well and where they may see gaps in what we'redoing so that we can strengthen our efforts.We also had a brief conversation around the strategic plan. Uh the strategicplan effort will most likely be pushed into the 26 27 school year, but lookingto once the board is um fills the vacant position, potentially looking at doingthe board self- evaluation that is a process facilitated by the MinnesotaSchool Boards Association. And then we also talked about the theslow migration or slow and steady migration at our elementary schools tomove from different logos and mascots to being rangers at all of our differentelementary schools and then a migration over time from different color schemesto maroon and gold at all of our elementary schools. Good discussionthere and that concludes my report. >> Thank you, Dr. Massie. Did anybody haveany questions or comments on that? >> I just have a quick question. Dr.Massie, when did you say [clears throat] that the bullying preventionuh meetings conclude? >> Uh we will have um our next meeting, oursecond of three meetings, three scheduled meetings on December 3rd.>> Okay, I got that. >> At 9:30a.m. to 11:00 a.m. And I I don't have the date in front of me. I'm thinkingJanuary 7th. >> Okay,>> is our third meeting. >> Okay. And then if needed, we have atenative date for a fourth meeting. >> Okay. And are there is are there anystaff on that committee or the makeup is community members and one board member?>> Yeah, we've got um a number of staff members [snorts] from middle school,high school, and at the elementary level.>> Good to know. >> Um one more question. What is thetimeline of that converting to Rangers? We've talked about>> we're kind of underway, but you know, >> there's a cost associated to changingcolor schemes, changing >> logos in schools.>> So, some of that's going to be when when painting takes place in the school.We're going to integrate Maroon and Gold. We're not going to be able to doan upfront investment to change overnight. So, it'll be a slowmigration, but we're already underway in a number of our schools. For instance,Wyoming Elementary is under some LTFM work this summer>> and we'll use that as an opportunity to further integrate maroon and gold colorschemes at Wyoming. >> And is there a plan, this is my lastquestion, for like how will we convert the different mascots, the lightning,the what is the plan there? Is that kind ofto let the PTO's talk it over and figure out what works for them and when?>> Super good question. and we're in the early stages of those conversations andwe want some ownership at the school level for what that process looks like.So, I'll continue to provide updates to the board as we move forward.>> Great. Thank you for that. >> All right. Thank you. Any otherquestions? >> All right. Seeing none, we'll pivot backto 9:16 here now that I found my notes. um as actually a pretty light meetinglast month. We had a presentation on intermediate school districts career andcollege college readiness. Uh we approved a number of schoolboardpolicies uh kind of in the same vein as the ones that we consider here um on anongoing basis uh um in our policy committee meetings andthen uh at each of our meetings. And we also did a final approval of languageaccess plan. Um I've spoke with Dr. asked you about that for forest lakearea schools a number of times uh and we have quite a bit of time to get thatapproved here. So no real rush. It just happened to be when uh we selected to dothat for 916. So that concludes my report there.And if there aren't any questions on that, we will pivot to the consentagenda. Um I will start off by pulling item 6.2.Are there any other items that we need to pull from the consent agenda? All right, seeing none, I wouldentertain a motion to approve 6.1 and 6.3.>> So moved. >> Second.>> Motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I.>> I. Those opposed. >> Okay, that motion carries. That bringsus back to item 6.2. I'd entertain a motion to approve that.>> So moved. Second. >> All right, we have a motion to second.Is there any discussion on 6.2? All right. Seeing none, member clerk,please take the roll call. >> Okay. Member Corkran I. Member Antonsonvotes I. Member Christensen >> abstain.>> Member Castle >> I.>> Member Tyson >> I.>> And member Rebeline >> I.>> The eyes have it. >> Okay, that motion carries. That bringsus to item 7.1. Recommendation to close open enrollment for K through 12 for theremainder of the 2025 to 2026 school year with the exception of the communityschool. Dr. Massie. Thank you. Uh we have taken this step previouslyand given uh the current state of Forest Lake Area Schools enrollment numbers andthe upcoming boundary changes for the 2627 school year, accepting new studentsthrough open enrollment creates an ongoing strain at this time of year. Uhand throughout the summer and the first quarter of the school year, openenrollment was encouraged and welcomed. Serving new students from outside theschool district while managing changing boundary boundaries places undue strainon our school system. Enrollment will remain open for transfer students fromlocal charter schools or private schools, homeschool students, andstudents who live in or who move into the district. So taking this move umstill um puts us in a situation where we'retaking um our enrollment from our resident students who attend otherschool districts who elect to move back into the district. Homeschool familieswho elect to move from homeschool situation back into one of our schools.Of course movein families. This would just be enrollment from students wholive outside the district changing from the school they attend in their ownhomes home district or a different district to attending one of ours.>> All right. Thank you, Dr. Massie. I'd entertain a motion.>> So moved. >> Second.>> All right. We got a motion and a second and approval. Is there any discussion?All right. Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I.>> I. Those opposed. >> All right. Right, that motion carries,which brings us to our last action item for the evening, uh, 7.2, boarddiscussion related to applicants for board vacancy position and determinationof next steps. Um, I'll kick this off. >> Yeah,>> it's not on our sheet, but this is the part.>> Yeah, >> I'll I'll kick this off with just areminder to the board and to the public alike, um, as what we've alreadydetermined so far. So, if we go all the way back to member Hegeland'sresignation, we uh decided on that evening that we were going to go to anopen application process and that the application process was going to be openuntil 400 p.m. this evening. So, the application process is now closed. Wehave a number of applicants. Um I will read off their names here shortly. Um ina later meeting, we also agreed that we would select finalists in um threedifferent ways. One, we if we had an applicant who ran during the 2024schoolboard election, the indivi the individual applicant receiving thehighest number of votes would become the uh the preferred voters's choicecandidate and they would automatically be considered a finalist forconsideration. At our December 4th meeting, we decided that we would selectbetween two or three additional finalists by uh dividing the board intosubcommittees that would meet on December 1st to determine those um othertwo or three finalists. We left it open on how many finalists we were going toaccept. Um all of that has already been decided by previous board action. So,with that in mind, the applicants that we had, we had 11 applicants. Uh, veryexcited to um have received this much interest. And I'm going to name offtheir names here in no particular order. These are their random order that theywere provided to me um with >> alphabetical.>> Oh, it's alphabetical by last name. Okay. Thank you. Um I didn't pick upthat pattern. Um alphabetical by last name. Um, I will do my best on thepronunciation of these and uh hopefully we'll get through it. All right. Uh, thefirst applicant on the list is Glenn Berg. The next applicant is Andy Cornia.The next applicant is Scott Dozenski. The next applicant is Princess AsaHansen. The next applicant, which I will notehas um obtained the voters's choice selection as a finalist, is LauraDuragu. The next applicant is Kenneth Rutford.The next applicant is Paul Peasy. >> Peas.>> Peas. >> I apologize, Paul. The next applicant isJeff Peterson. The next applicant is Tom Schultzenberg.The next applicant is Jim Smith and the final applicant on my list is DanielTout. So that rounds out the list of 11 umapplicants. Again, going back our previous discussion was that we wouldbreak into subcommittees and meet on December 1st to determine two or threeadditional um finalists to go along with Mrs. LauraDandu. Um, I guess I will open it up fordiscussion to the board. We have no motion on the table, so it's just uhwide open for discussion here. Um, I'll kick it off and say that I I think itwould be a really wise idea that we would divide into um two committees toselect two um additional finalists to Mrs. Duragu.Uh the question is I do know that there's a board member with a conflicton the first so we may need to adjust that meeting but I'm interested inhearing what everybody else's thoughts are.We'd like to kick that off. Um, I had brought these interviewquestions that are kind of just a sample, but I think when we do, if we gointo committees, we should have some supplemental questions that we want topick that we choose that are relevant or make their application more relevant tous and what we're looking for. So, I made Joy made some copies. So, thankyou, Joy. You can just look them over. There's quite a few, but they're all umvery relevant to school board to what you questions you would consider askingpeople that wanted to fill a vacancy. >> Um so you can look that over. Um>> and thank you, member Tyson. I think I would add to that and say I think itwould be really beneficial. There are 11 names on this list. It's difficult tointerview 11 people, but I think uh if we can find a way to do it, I think it'dbe beneficial to interview all 11 before the committees make their final choice.Um, we just got to figure out logistically how we want to go aboutdoing that. >> Yeah, I I would like to say I mean leavea little bit of openness with this process to be able to ask questions asthey're standing. They're not solely just using prescripted questions.Um, I mean I I I because there's 11 and if we're going todo all of them, I certainly think we couldyou know, maybe even tonight here, let's read through this and and see whatsounds good or in the interim somehow come up with some a group ofquestions that we all find to be relevant, but also be given the chanceto ask your own question as the person standingthere, you know, is answering these questions that something else may comeup to you that's pertinent. And not everything that we do up here, eventhough we have an agenda every day and kind of a process that we do, we arealways on the fly of dealing with things.>> The boardroom is a very dynamic environment and I think it would benefitus greatly to have a candidate that can handle dynamic situations and thatincludes dynamic questions. I do think it's nice to have a template ofpotential questions. But uh I I agree with member antinensson here that weshould keep the questions open um so that we have the opportunity to ask youknow like some of the names I do recognize on here. I have specificquestions that come immediately to mind um that I would love to hear the replyto. >> Did you circle the ones you>> Okay. I didn't just ignore that. Okay. >> Ignore that. Fine. Sure.>> Member Corker. So I was I was going to say I do agree with having some standardquestions at least maybe two and then maybe you know improvise a little andhow the discussion is going. I do agree with that but um I would like tohopefully change the meeting date from the 1st to the 3. Is that something wecan do >> we want to discuss that first? Thatseems like >> because I will not be here. I'll be outof town and that's been planned for months. Um, so I'm and I come in onTuesday, but you know, flights and >> you know, you just never know. So wewould like to shift that to Wednesday evening if that would work for theboard. >> The third.>> Yeah. And and just just for a little bit of clarity here for everybody, I'm I'mgoing to be working on a I I have a kind of a templated resolution here>> to wrap all of this up at the end of our discussion. So I'm going to work on thisas we go. Um, so I'll just take some kind of general consensus. I don't havea problem with meeting on December 3rd. Um, that would work for me. Um, it wouldbe a little bit of a marathon for the board because we would be meeting on the3 for quite some time if we chose to interview all 11 and then we're going tobe meeting right again on the fourth. But uh I think it's important that allboard members be present and I think it's also important that we maintain theschedule that we uh determined over a month ago at this point. So>> would um Tuesday the 2nd be considered an option?>> Well, I come in my flight comes in at 4:30. So if it's on time and I can gethere >> on the first or the second?>> Second. >> Yeah. the second 4:30 to hit the tarmacat MSP puts you here at 7 at the very earliest.>> Well, I mean, like I say, if I was here late first,>> I know she >> Well, I was just going to say I thinkthis is going to be a very important meeting. I think we're all going to wantto be here. >> Flight schedules, you just never know. Ijust would rather not. >> I thought she came in on Sunday,[clears throat] >> so I apologize, but I do have a conflicton the third. >> Okay,>> I'm just putting that out there. Um, but I I>> if that's the day we have to go with, I'll just have to make a change.>> Well, and I know member chair, you know, wanting to keep the schedule. Um, but Imean, we also want to get this right and this will be, as you said, you know,sort of a marathon. I mean, I don't know if we're doing that Thursday night or Imean, excuse me, on the third. umyou know I don't know how people feel about doing it um you know the followingweek then we're not >> let me back to back>> the following week would be better that'd be pre preferable for me I justthink that back to back there's no reason to rush it and>> what do we have slated for so far our agenda for the meeting on the 4th is itthat truth and taxation truth taxation audit report policies.>> Yeah, >> I would also add there that through anofficial act of the board, we did give the public and the applicants theexpectation that we would be doing the uh committee meeting on the 1st and wewould be doing the appointment on the 4th. Um I think it's in our bestinterest to adhere to that as much as we can, but respect member Corkran'srequest that we we move that meeting because I think it's important that allof us be here. I think if we adjust that meeting a day or two, that's okay, but II'd really hesitate to start pushing the actual appointment out to mid Decemberor something along those lines. So, I think we try to adhere to the fourth ifwe can. Um, >> well, there's nothing in statute thathas a timeline on it. >> No,>> just as a reminder. So, >> but we did give the expectation,>> right? We don't need >> We did give the expectation to thepublic though. Um I I'm not I I don't mean to pry member Tyson when I ask thatthe conflict that you have on the third. Is that something you're able to um tomove to adjust so we can accommodate member Corkran and we can do theinterview on the third? >> I will have to move it.>> Okay. >> Yeah.>> Does anybody else have a conflict on December 3rd or do we feel that we canmake that evening work? Well, there's also um as I mentionedbefore, our our son is a senior and he's captain of the wrestling um team andthere is a wrestling uh match that evening, Wednesday, December 3rd at 700p.m. in Roseville. >> I'd move to go to the next week. I don'tthink it's a big deal. We don't need to be rushed.>> And to be clear, I'm I I I'm already missing um two of our son's events dueto school board. So, if I missed that, that would be three.>> So, I mean, if if we had on the second, I would just be late. [snorts]>> Well, I don't think we can do the second because>> Well, if you're if we're interviewing people,>> if you're not here, that you know, you're going to>> How do we change the date? >> Yeah.>> Do we interview people on the 4th and then make a decision?Now, if we interviewed people on the fourth, we would interview people. Wewould have the committees make their decision. Then we would immediately moveinto an appointment process. I I think if we did that, it would be difficult tointerview all 11. >> Yeah.>> If we do it on the fourth, it's going to be hard to interview all of thecandidates, >> right? We break it into two meetings.>> And how are we? And I hesitate to move it to the the 28th because that's uhThanksgiving and again we set the expectation of the first as the uhinterview evening >> and the the appointment meeting and the>> well and member Corkran is still gone during that time.>> Correct. And I I do like the idea of splitting itup in two nights since there's 11 just in all due respect to the applicants tojust not be trying to cram that all in >> and absorb and digest all thatinformation. >> So>> what um >> could we have it the next week?>> Remember Christensen, what time is the wrestling on the second or on the third?>> The seven um seven, right? Well, it's at seven, but our son would be towards theend. So he um >> So maybe we could do a little bit onWednesday and a little bit on Thursday. >> I was thinking a little bit on Tuesdayand a little bit on Wednesday. Start later on Tuesday.>> That's true. >> Interview half the applicants becausereally if we look at the the list, we have 10.>> Break it apart. >> We have 10, but we have uh I I believethat it would be beneficial to have uh Mrs. Durago come and and meet with theboard on one of those two evenings, but um she has been selected as a finalistalready. So, we really have 10 interviews that we need to carry out todetermine finalists, >> but they should all be interviewed.>> Correct. And I was just going to say she she deserves an interview because uh>> perfect. >> Um the final selection, she would bepart of that and I think that's important to have that interview forthat as well. >> Ithere were pieces missing from a couple of the applications. So, just to try toround up a little more. >> Well, I wonder if they're full in here.>> Yeah. A couple of them online to read where they got I haven't looked at>> any of the applications yet. >> Yeah, I haven't either, but I bet youthey're signing, >> but they look good in the packet.>> Maybe you looked at it already. >> So, let's let's get back to the date.Let's try to nail that down. Um, December 1st is an absolute no-go forme. So, let's mentally cross that off in our head. Um,December 2nd, I think the earliest we can expect uhmember Corkran to make it here from the airport, assuming that this is somethingthat she's willing to do, >> Yeah.>> would be right around 6:30 or 7. So, we could start at seven and we couldinterview um half of the applicants and then wecould meet again on Wednesday or we could even interviewum six of the applicantson Tuesday and then we could interview the other five of the applicants onWednesday and then that will hopefully accommodate member Christensen's need tois the uh the match here? >> No, it's at Roseville.>> At Roseville. Okay. Why could Could could we fit the other half in on thefourth since we're splitting them up? Cuz I dohave a commitment. I can move it. I don't want to, but I I will.>> Just to just to come back to it a little bit. I mean umI don't I don't want to miss that on um the third, but I mean if that's the datethat works, I really feel strongly that we should not do something on thesecond. I really I feel strongly about that because of member Corkin. You justdon't know when people are flying. I mean I>> I just I really would want to stay away from the second as much as possible. Soif we need to do it on the third um you know to stay on schedule that I meanthen we just have to do it. So >> should we>> can we start earlier? >> Yeah, we could start it. I was justgoing to say yeah we could start at >> 5 or something like what I don't knowwhat you work in many I don't know so >> no I could make>> what time can people do it on >> if we did it at the third could we startat 5:00 p.m. >> I mean because if we do all all thepeople together let's just say they're 15 minutes each just kind ofthrowing ideas around here that's at least two and a half three hours thatit's going to take us to get through this many people.>> Um and that's a fairly quick little exchange. So,>> it is >> it's if we started at 5,we're going to be here until 8. >> That's>> or or later. We've been here much later in the past, which is which is finebecause I think that gives us if we start at 5:00 and we do it December 3rdand we plan on interviewing all individuals. Um, if we have follow-upquestions, we can ask follow-up questions. If we need to recess for afew minutes to catch our breath, we can do that.Do we know for sure that everybody's going to be able to come uh thecandidates? >> We don't. And that's part of the risk.Yeah. And that that's part of the risk. That's why um [clears throat]>> uh being that we had already set the date for the first.>> I hesitate to to make any adjustments, but I do want to accommodate memberCorkran as best we can. Well,>> I think we're just going to have to go with the third and hope people canattend. I mean, if they really want the position, hopefully they're willing toadjust. I mean, we're adjusting our schedules,>> you know. I mean, >> and I would add to that,>> I think that's just what we're going to have,>> especially since we're adjusting the date. If an individual that we choose oror if an individual is unable to meet or to make the interview process in thethird that would not disqualify them from consideration. So a committee wouldbe able to still select an individual even though they were not able tointerview them in the boardroom. Um because we will have two weeks herebetween today and the the fourth to meet with these individuals individually.Some of them we already know. And uh I think it's just important that we wemake it well known, especially since we're changing the date here a few weeksin advance, that an inability to come for the interview does not mean you'reeliminated from consideration. >> Does that do that make sense?>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> Okay. So in that case what I what I'venoted and what I think I I see the consensus around the room is here um thewhereas in the resolution will still meet that we're they still read thatwe're going to meet on December 1st at 5:00 p.m. but I will adjust it in theactual resolution this state that we will meet at December 3rd at 5:00 pmright here in this room to interview candidates.um we will interview candidates as a group of six al togetherand um we will work through them in um ascheduled order. Um, I think what we try to do is we try to set up a 15inute>> Do we think that's long enough? >> 15 minute blocks for each candidate.>> 15. >> There's>> I've been in when there are 10. It's just how we want the parameters to beset, but >> it's kind of our decision and[clears throat] how how much time do we want to allow.>> I would offer if I can 10 is really quick.>> Okay. So, 15. you get preliminary introductions and you got six, sevenminutes left >> and there's six people>> on the board. So, >> so why we schedule them in 15-minuteincrements to start at uh 6:05 because that'll allow us the procedural piece ofuh calling a meeting to order, saying a pledge of allegiance, gettingattendance. So, we'll start at uh 605. >> I'm sorry. Do you mean 55 or 50? Thankyou. [clears throat] Yep. Thank you. Um at 5:05 we'll start the first interviewwith Mr. Bird. Um and then we'll work in alphabetical order, however that may fall in the clock. Andif we have an individual that's unable to attend for whatever whatever reasondepending on when we receive notification of that, we can either movemember uh other interviews forward that evening as we see fit or we can recessfor a few minutes or we can just kind of play it by ear. Does that does that seemreasonable? gives everybody a 15-minute slot to to interview with us. And then Iwould also encourage any and all candidates if they can handle the thetime frame to stick around to have uh uh one-on-one conversations with boardmembers afterwards since there is such a short turnaround time to the four.>> Does that sound reasonable? >> Yeah.>> Okay. >> And everybody on this list is gettinginterviewed, correct? >> Everybody on this list will be offeredan interview. Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. Member Castle. Um, so wewe determined that the board chair and the vicewill [clears throat] be heading this up. So if there's an opportunity to contactthe applicants and see if there's a time[clears throat] >> maybe it we start with, okay, we want togo alphabetically. >> Y,>> but maybe this person can't be here until this time, but this person couldbe here at that time. So, if the two of you couldtighten that up so we can >> schedule them.>> Schedule them. >> I would offer Joy is really good at>> that. That's what I was just going to ask. I was just going to ask the board.Would you prefer that member Corkran and I do that or would you>> smiler that we do it? >> We ask administration to handle that forus. >> You're going to have to consider. You'regoing to leave a voicemail. They're not going to get back right away[clears throat] and >> it's it it takes a while to get that. Soall the applicants if they have a time crunch they should contact Joy.>> So we will leave that to your capable hands Joy to schedule all of theseindividuals and the goal will be to start at 505>> with any name on the list and then move on at 5 is that 20>> 520 >> with the next name on the list untilwe've we've met every member or or every applicant. And if an individual isunable to attend and they let us know in advance, just just let us know so we cantry in the next couple of weeks to meet them individually and get to know them.Um because we want to give every applicant fair consideration for therole >> or perhaps somebody who couldn't make itthat day, maybe we can see them on Thursday.um >> that you know we talk>> no because that's getting to the next piece here where I was going to say thatthat we'll we'll break into committees after the interview process to determinewho and the next thing I was going to say is uh make a suggestion on um whowould who would consist of each committee. But let let's make sure wegot this nailed down first. We got December 3rd 5:00 pm. We're going tostart the interviews at 5:05. We're going to leave it to Joy to schedule all11 applicants. Hopefully they can all make it that evening. Umthe then the next piece of that isimmediately following the interview process we will break out into ourcommittees. One committee will stay in this room. the other committee will gointo the conference room and we will make our final selection on the otherfinalists that the the the committees would recommend.So I would recommend that we have two committees as you mentioned one of themwould be uh headed by the vice chair member Corkran. Her committee wouldconsist of member Corkran, member Christensen, and member Tyson. And theother committee would be um headed by myself would include member Anson andmember Castle. >> Okay.>> Is that Yes. Member Christensson. >> Okay.>> Sorry. Are the um committees as you're suggesting are they they're subject toopen meeting law? Correct. People >> correct. Yep. Yep. So that that's whyone once we complete or conclude the interviews here, one committee wouldremain in this room and we would sit down and converse about who we wanted tonominate as a finalist. The other committee would then go to theconference room, again an open meeting. So we would give the gallery time todecide which committee they wanted to observe. The committees would then umhopefully relatively quickly determine who they wanted to nominate as afinalist. And then the next piece of that puzzlewould be we would convene afterwards and make it known to the whole board whoat that point up to three finalists would be for consideration on December4th. >> Well, just one more follow-up question.So, are are the interviews will December 3rd be live streamed or recorded in anyway? And if the answer is yes, then do our deliberations also have to be livestreamed then how does that work? >> So that is the next question I was goingto get to and that is our prerogative if we would choose to do so. Um,my personal feeling is that uh I I see nono reason why we couldn't live stream um the every piece but the committee piece.But at at the same time, I do think that the um the interviewing process doeshave the potential of being somewhat delicate. Uh, and it would maybe be inthe best interest of the applicants if it wasn't live streamed, but I wouldlove to hear what the rest of the board thought about that. I'm I'm open towhatever arrangement. >> Yeah, it's interesting.>> Did you have any thoughts, Member Christensen, on whether or not we shouldmeet? [clears throat] >> I mean, in the sake of, you know, acouple things. So, if we're to your point, like if we're recheduling themeeting to December 3rd, maybe [clears throat] people, you know,had made plans to come on December 1st or, you know, I don't know that. And sonow we moved it to the third and maybe they're saying, you know, I can't bethere for whatever reason. So, I do feel like in the interest of, you know,transparency and community involvement, um, it would be good to it would be goodto live live stream. so that people who aren't here could see that because it isI mean if you think back to what we all did you know the League of Women Votersand all those kinds of things were live streamed and people did come up and sayoh I watched it or you know so I mean I I think>> on that hand I I could say that I think that that should be live streamedbecause people are going to be interested in it.Um, yeah. I mean,>> we couldn't do the deliberation because we'd be>> Well, that's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. So, maybe live stream>> the actual interview process. >> The interview process and then the partfollowing the committee deliberations where we announce who we want to selectas finalists. And it would be kind of a two-piecething. be the long interview and then hopefullyvery short kind of selection declaration >> is is there anything that says if thefirst part of a meeting is open or live there's nothing>> no it'd be subject to open meeting law and there the meetings would be open tothe public there's no regulation on >> live streaming or not>> okay >> I have a couple yes clarifying questionswe kind of got >> skipped over to Yeah, sure.>> So, what happened to the two two and two scenario that you talked about?>> We could do that as well. >> Okay.>> Yep. Yep. We could do that. We could do that as well. My um my initial thoughtwas that uh um three finalists was going to be a little bit easier to workthrough >> and wasn't going to change things awhole lot uh in the on the fourth. But I'm very open to having four finalistsas well if the board feels that would be a betterOkay. I we might not be on the same thought pattern, but you had suggestedthat we would pair up you and Julie, vice chair and chair and then membercastle and member. >> Yes.>> Yep. And if we if we decide to do three subcommittees, that would be myrecommendation um if we did that. So the I guess one of the questions that wewould would like to or we need to answer here tonight is do we want to have twosubcommittees determining two additional finalists to Mrs. Durangu or do we wantto have three subcommittees determining okay or I mean>> did I say that right? Yes. Two subcommittees or three subcommittees todetermine finalists. >> And another clarifying question is Idon't recall when we decided we were only going to have three finalists. AndI also look through my copious notes. I don't see where was there a board voteor a decision made on the automatic in by candidate five.>> Yeah. >> The next highest vote getter. I don'thave that in my notes. >> We we did both of those things via amotion on the October 30th meeting. I just rewatched it this morning.>> And can you review the wording on that? >> Um I did I didn't write that down. Ijust actually just made notes and I I stated that uh the motion that weapproved was subcommittees meeting on December 1st. The actual selectionoccurring on December 4th. We left open the number and then specific members ofthe subcommittees. Um so that's where you can get into the do we have two orthree. Um, we did agree that the subcommittee selectionswould occur the evening of December 1st by the the subcommittee is to determinea finalist in addition to the um voters's choice finalist. So the voter'schoice finalist was also decided at the uh October 30th meeting and the voter'schoice finalist was to be the applica if an applicant whoum ran in 2024 the highest vote getter of those applications. So I realizedsome confusion with people that did hear it and maybe with myself that we weren'tusing a name. We were just calling it voter's choice and>> correct. >> So I think that's very vague and I thinkif we already have one candidate that's automatically in we need to have morefinalists than two. >> Well here let me let me talkfinalist if we had >> right but she's an automatic.>> We had I think therefore there should be more. So, we had three individuals.>> To be fair, [snorts] >> let me go through here quick here. Okay,I got the names. Um, >> there were eight individuals that ranfor election in 2024. Four of them are at the table tonight. Um, member Tyson,member Corkran, >> member Antonson, and member Castle allwon their seats. >> Correct.>> Um, the next highest vote getter was umLaura Durangu. um she was an applicant. Um the individual after her did notapply and then I believe um Mr. Jim Smith finished after>> that individual and Daniel two out finished after him. So of the fourindividuals who did not win a seat in the last election, three of them didapply. Mhm. >> And based on the parameters that we setfor a voter's choice candidate, which is really the uh the community member'schoice, that the one that the voters got together and selected was uh Mrs.Durango. >> Okay. Well, just letting you know therewas confusion with that. >> Okay.>> So, she would be a finalist according to this. And in the scenario that we brokeinto, say we broke into the two committees that I suggested earlier,>> um we would have potentially two more finalists in addition to Mr. Dangu>> for a total of how many? >> For a total of three. It is possiblethough that both of the committees could also select Mrs. Durangu and we couldhave a total of one, but we would have up to three finalists. Then if we brokeinto three subcommittees where there was two, two, and two. Mhm.>> Um there is of course the possibility that we could have as many as fourfinalists, but there also exists the possibility that none of thosesubcommittees would reach a quorum >> and we would then have one finalist toselect from on the fourth. So that that would be the inherent risk of breakinginto an even number of community members is that you don't reach a consensus>> and then you do not have a finalist to bring forward.>> Um which is what I was kind of hedging against by suggesting we break into twobecause then you will meet a consensus one way or another.>> Well, you will likely meet a consensus. It's possible you could you could allthree select one, >> but but chances are for the the interestof the board and giving us options, we will have at least three candidates toselect from if we went along that route. >> So,>> okay. >> So, that was my thought in recommendingum let's break into two subcommittees. We have two oddnumbered subcommittees.We're going to get uh three really good candidates out of a list of 11>> and uh we can move on from there. So what are the other board membersthinking that's adequate? >> I think so.>> I don't know. I think I think three is three is easier. I mean to eliminatedown to three. I mean >> Okay.>> It's going to be hard when you have all you know what I mean to>> I mean are you going to get I know. I'm just saying is I mean to get you knowvote on the 11. >> Well I think I mean there could be anoption like if there's if the subcommittee is really saying oh boy wejust can't you know decide between two I don't you know>> well >> you'd have to kind of see I don't know Iguess how the interviews play out. I mean, if there's>> I think another important distinction that we got to keep in mind is say we goto the smart scenario and we break into three subcommittees of two, which whichis fine. Um, any individual is going to need four votes to meet the threshold toactually get appointed by the board. And if we do have a subcommittee of twoand those two members cannot reach a consensus,then even if they brought forward two candidates, that candidate is not goingto get majority of the votes moving forward. So,um I I think that's something that we need to keep in the back of our mindwhen we're going through the committee process is that we need to eachcommittee needs to present a candidate that is appointable.Um, so in that vein, I I do feel that that three is more than adequate myself.>> Okay. Well, I mean, one person has a pass into the group, sotherefore, you're really looking for two,>> correct? >> Is that>> two in addition? Two in addition to the >> am I thinking of that wrong? No. two inaddition to the candidate that the voters selected. Yes.>> Okay. >> Because the voters did select>> Mrs. Durangu in the 2024 election. >> Well, not all the voters, but she is thenext highest. >> She is the next highest vote getter.Yes. Yes. To be to be clear, member chair, though, there is no statute orany kind of absolutely anything that says that the the the highest vocatorwho did not get elected automatically gets,>> you know, anything or um you I mean there's also nothing that says that youcan't, but I'm just saying to be clear um you you are adding her um as the thehighest vocator wasn't elected be, you know, based on your choice or I meanthere's no there's nothing >> we did that as a as a board on the>> but I mean to be clear there's it's not you know>> statute or it's not like in the state of Minnesota you automatically go with youknow this person >> that was a a recommendation that wediscussed on the the 30th that uh um likemember Christensen you spoke at length about how important it was that whoeverwe appoint be somebody that has community support>> and really going with the next highest vote getter is is that individual>> um so >> she has done all the things in theinterviews and twice actually >> and that and that has been decidedalready. So the question is do we want to add twoadditional names to that finalist or do we want to add three additional names tothat finalist? >> Well, I'm glad we're talking about thisbecause there has been a lot of confusion and I am going to go back andwatch that myself because people that have [clears throat] brought that to myattention have watched it. So I don't know if everybody's comfortablewith two and one is an automatic. I'm just the odd person here tonight. SoI'm good with that. >> If we're comfortable with having twocommittees, are we comfortable with the membershiparrangement of the committees that I proposed earlier?with member Corkran uh chairing the first committee of member Corkran,member Christensen and member Tyson and myself chairing the committee withmyself, member and consent member Castle.>> Well, I think odd numbers I mean I think we'll come to consensus as us three andyou three >> more than the other options,>> right? >> Don't you agree?>> I do. I mean, >> and if let's [snorts] say that we can'tdecide, maybe there's two that you think are that's something maybe we need totalk about. I mean, that's we don't know until we have the interviews.>> There might be different scenarios where like there's two really strongcandidates that us three feel that we that both deserve the next step up andthen we have to talk about that. >> Yeah, there are several people on thislist of applicants that I don't know have any clue who they are. Yeah. So Idon't >> we have to maybe put that as an optionfor us. I mean that's something we can do>> to have multiple recommendations come out of one committee.>> Yeah. Maybe up to two. I mean I don't I don't know what the number is but toGail's point. I mean there might be we might struggle coming up with one.>> So >> up to two would bring us to a total ofup to five. >> Five.>> So I think that's a good compromise just if then it gives us more flexibility.Mhm. That's a good idea. >> So each uh subcommitteewould appoint up to two >> select>> would would select. I'm sorry. Yes. Thank you.>> I think that just it gives us more leeway.>> Okay. Um >> and really in all fairness, there are11. >> Yeah. [clears throat]>> And one has an automatic pass, right? So >> that just levels the playing ground.That's an excellent idea. >> Yeah. Sounds good.Okay. And that would give us a possibility of up to five individuals tou select from >> on the fourth>> when we actually vote. >> Correct. When we when we actually vote.So then we just have to figure out how. So I guess that the the committees wouldessentially cut the number in half and then we have to to work as a group ofsix which is reasonable to figure out how to getthrough the next five. Um,>> okay. >> Do we want the two selected finalists tobe given preference in any way, shape, or form or just you give two names in noparticular order? >> I think just>> two names in no particular order. >> Yeah, exactly.>> Yeah. >> Okay. And we're we're happy with thecommittee um the committee members the way thatthey're they're laid out. We're happy with the fact that we're going to startthe meeting at at 5:00 pm. We're going to interview based on a schedule that uhadministration is able to determine for us um as to when people will beavailable to interview. We've accepted the fact thatnot being able to make an interview does not disqualify you from consideration.Um and we've also accepted the fact that uh immediately following the committeemeetings um the full board will meet and eachcommittee shall provide the name of up to two selected finalists to the fullboard and we will then um make the selectionthe final selection of the December 4th board meeting. Did I summarize thatsomewhat correctly? Are there any other points that we wantto discuss or add or anything that I may have missed?>> I just have one more. Yes. Regarding the questions. Yes. Um I do agree that youknow there are scripted questions but when you look at the questions they'reall very relevant to board governance to every aspect of you know board work. SoI think if we are going like off topic or whatever is our personalquestion we feel like asking it should be perviewed within the subcommittee. Imean I think we have to have some consistency right?>> Yes. you know a fairness to the applicants and I think if we're goingoff on our own personal question and answer session we need to perview itwith people and say what do you think about this question you know soeveryone's comfortable with that and there's consistency with thatdoes that make sense >> well I also>> I don't really understand what you're saying sorry just I'm not quite catchingit [snorts] >> I'm Sorry.>> Well, I think when we all would ask our own personalquestion, you'd have a lot of different avenues of board work and boardgovernance and all all the gamut. So, I don't know if maybe they should besubmitted to the chair and the vice chair before you want to ask that. So Ithink that's good myself because uh we had pre-anned questions and that was onthe application and I I look at the interview as our opportunity to expandupon their answer or to expand upon the things that we know about them. Like Ican think of one specific applicant here when I look at their name on the listthat I have very specific questions that I would like to ask that individualabout how they would approach their board role.>> Right? I can't put that in a pre-anned question that's not relevant for anotherindividual. >> So, yeah, member,>> I do have a question how we would do that about timing though. So, if ifyou're only interviewing someone for 15 minutes>> and you know, you member chair, you were saying you want to ask someone, you askthem a question and then a followup and then a and then all of a sudden, youknow, six minutes is gone or how are we going to time that? So then,you know, everyone gets an opportunity. I just I don't know how that's going towork with a certain I mean we want to keep it within a certain amount of timeotherwise this is going to just go on forever but I mean if>> I think we schedule it with an intent to to finalize the interview with eachapplicant in a 15minute block so we can maintain the schedule but just likeanything that we do in the board here we can always extend that time or limitthat time further should the board feel it's appropriate.Um so we can handle that through standard process and standard rules oforder. So if we need to expend extend uh um you know candidate A's interview timeso that all members have their answers questions we or their questionsanswered. I'm sorry we as a board could we have the prerogative to do that. Umor if another candidate were able to uh interview quicker we have theprerogative to move on >> and that would be based on like howwould the interview be extended? Who would what would you>> uh just through a normal board action like we do here. Um when we put limitson discussion or when we put uh you know when we call the question we would justdo it in the same way during the interview process.>> So that would be my proposal for that because I do have a concern aboutinterviewing about a panel of of six individuals interviewing 11 people inone evening. I I think that could get strung out very long. um you know mostcorporate interviews last between an hour and four hours a piece and um Idon't think we need to go quite that in depth but uh um I don't want to get intothe situation where member Castle has an important line of questioning and ittakes up 14 minutes and then member Christensen isn't able to answer or toget an answer to a question that she feels is just as important. So I I thinkas as a board I [snorts] I feel that that we can be mature enough in thatprocess to to handle that internally as we go. At least that's my hope.>> Well, and I think to be fair to the candidates too, you have to haveparameters. >> You know, is it going to be 15 minutesand then I'm done or are we going to go longer because some person, one of theseboard members wants to go on and on about a certain topic. I mean, I thinkthat creates some awkwardness and uncomfortableness. So I think we shouldtry to think about like a 15minute parameter and how many questions are inthat 15 minutes is it >> one from each person.>> I think that's an excellent point actually let me offer a suggestion here.Why don't we extend the interview to 20 minutes per applicant and each boardmember is given three minutes um you know similar to what they do inuh congressional hearings and then if you want to uh like say forexample I have three minutes of time but uh member Castle's going on a uh line ofquestioning that I support I I could give him my time to finish his line ofquestioning. Hang on. Um, >> I mean, it is a bit consistent.>> It might be a little bit uh uh heavy to to track.>> But I think if we [clears throat] if we found somebody at maybe we asked Dr.Massie to help us find somebody who can help us>> keep time >> keep the time and and try to stay on umstay on task. I'd like to say I'll do it myself as the chair, but often timesduring public comment when my myself and member Anton are trying to keep time andkeep things moving. Um I see a lot of the public comment in the video reviewafterwards and I want to want to be an active participant of that. Sologistically we might just want a little bit help if we stretched out 20 minutesper candidate and uh three minutes per member.>> What are your thoughts on that Dr. Massie?>> Yeah. What do [snorts] you think? >> I've been part of a lot of interviewsand Almost every set of interviews, we havea set set of questions. I know that's been conversation at this table. I thinkthere's value in a set set of questions. So, you geta response on the same question from all candidates. So, as you're judging andevaluating candidates based on, >> you'd have a a way to evaluate allcandidates based on a set of common questions.I I think there is value there. I understand the interest in maybe morespecific questions for some members, but I think there's maybe a moment ofcaution >> of where that might go or are we settingup an unfair scenario where we're we're digging into things that maybe other>> candidates don't have a chance to respond to.>> Right? So in terms of fairness, I think there's some value in a common set ofquestions. That would be what I would offer to the group. It's clearly yourcall on how you proceed with that, but I think there is value in a common set ofquestions. >> Well, that's kind of what I'm thinking.If I'm coming in as one of these applicants,what am I expecting? Just random things being fired at me?>> Well, they're going to be random. They're not going to know what theirquestions are until they show up. So for them, it's going to be But we're goingto have the same ones, right? So, we'll hear them differently from eachcandidate, but we'll have the same ones. >> Do you see any value in that?>> I do. I definitely understand what Dr. Massie is saying. I also see value inbeing able to follow up on something if something is sparked in in your, youknow, the brain and you're like, "Oh, well,>> yeah." >> You know,>> and I feel like we did that with the application myself, member Castle.>> Yeah. So there another consideration is that some of these questions might havealready been answered by some of the candidatesin their resume. >> Correct.>> So in that case that particular question for that particular candidate has wedon't need to >> right>> breach that subject with them because it's already been done.>> So then and either that eliminates that amount of time for them or it opens upthe door for a a question that maybe the other candidates won't have.>> Do we want to put this put this to a vote?>> I guess I just have one more question. You know, just thinking about this alittle bit more and looking at the list of 11. I mean, I can see u a couple candidateshere who um you know that that we all know prettywell. And I'm just I'm to Dr. Massiey's point and also to theearlier point if this is live streamed I'm just concerned that the questionsmight you know become more of sort of a personal nature or of aum I don't know the word I want to use butjust um we might veer off in a direction that's notmaybe a a direction that we want to go in if it's live streamed, people mightbe upset. I I mean, I'm just, you know, thinking more about that question aboutbeing at live stream. So, I I hear member Antinson's point about wanting tomake a followup. I hear that, but I also see some of these names and when theyget before us and if they have to answer questions that we ask them, some ofthese folks have, you know, more of a a personal history with some of us. Andso, I'm just >> I think if they applied, they'reprobably ready for some questions. I mean and like some people do have apersonal history and if we as board members are sitting up here and while wetalked about in the policy committee not supposed to be you knowwe are supposed to take heat >> you know nothateful nasty criticisms uh but heat for sure because it's impossible to pleaseeverybody. some>> I mean that's a part of the process I think is to be able to>> sit in the hot seat and calmly answer questions>> and to member Antinson's point we all put ourselves in that position hereevery evening >> when we meetso I feel like what we should do is have standard question but that could leadinto additional questions like you're saying and their response would give youthat had opening to ask additional questions. I think>> like you say if you have the same question I mean everyone's going toanswer them all differently and that might lead you to think and like oh I'mthat triggers another question. Everyone's going to be different but Ithink to be consistent is important because then you can weigh their answersagainst each other. You know what I mean?>> How about everybody gets to pick a canned question that they like and thenyou also get to ask a question. Yeah. ba based on how that answer or pick twocanned questions in case one goes really fast and then>> but you can ask at least one of your own questions.>> Yeah. No, I think >> it's probably your own question for eachperson might be a little different, you know.>> Exactly. >> I know, Laura.>> I like that idea. >> I do too.>> And knowing that you only have assuming we make the the adjustments and we'regoing to do 20 minutes and three minutes. Um, I know personally I'llstart with my personal question rather than my can question because it mighttake the full three minutes. >> Yeah. Right. However, I mean I thinkit's >> but I think that's a good goodcompromise. I think having a can question and if that leads you toanother >> question regarding what you're you knowpick something that matters to you >> and then have your personal question andthat's your three minutes and I think that's then it's fair.>> So let's let's back up just a little bit here. Do we like the idea of a 20-minuteinterview with three me three minutes per board member?>> Yeah, I like that. >> Okay, so let's do that.>> I um member chair. >> Well, I'll throw that in this here.Yeah. >> I'm wondering could we also I I wouldlike to maybe also see like a stop like >> a interview can go absolutely no longerthan you know. I mean, are we are we holding the>> We will hold them to the 20 minutes. >> Okay. But earlier you said if it neededto be extended it could be extended. >> Correct. Yeah. But with this adjustmentby going to 20 minutes with three minutes per member,>> the 20 minutes would be the hard stop time. Okay. Three minutes per memberthat allows two minutes for like logistical shifts or some like overrunsintroduce themselves >> and you know or a brief introduction.>> Um so yeah, it would be a 20-minute hard stop. The individual who starts at 5:05would be done at 5:25. >> Yep.>> So yeah, that would be part of that. Okay, let me let me capture.>> So I'll have to pick our question in advance so we don't pick the samequestions. >> Right. Yeah, I was thinking we shouldall just look at this and >> let Joy know our question and she can>> accumulate them and have them at our tables.>> Yeah, >> that'd be great.>> So, we're selecting two and then >> I would say two because sometimessomething might just go really quickly >> for a total of three.>> Yeah. And then >> yeah, pick three two that you're goingto ask everyone and then your question but you won't even know what that reallyis until >> Yeah. you ask the question>> or you might know I might know >> you might know you might know already>> and I want to add that to member Castle's point about how you know thereis a lot of good information in the resumeums and the applications right butsometimes you want people to expand on something that's in there>> you know you can make you can sound different on paper then when you starttalking about it >> or expanding on it you get a better feelfor what what their intentions are what they mean>> exactly smart. >> Yeah. So, I like this a lot. We'll havethree minutes per board member, >> two selected questions, and then one>> additional >> and it can still be a canned question,too. I mean, it can be whatever. Yeah. I mean, yes, that's what I was.>> Oh, so not too off in the selected sheet.>> Could Could I Sorry. Could I just add one other point? I was thinking aboutchair. Um, in thinking about um the the list that we have here, I'mthinking about like if I'm the first candidate asked,>> you know, I'm maybe a little nervous if I'm the last candidate and I know I'mthe last. I've already heard everything. I'm wondering should we do perhaps arandom draw of when the folks go? Because if if if if every or or are notthe interviewees are they all in here? I guess that is my question. So, are theyall in here? They are because it's an open meeting. It's an open meeting. Theyhave to be allowed. >> So they are. So then every they hear I'mjust wondering does the last person >> who is interviewed have you know anadvantage that the first person doesn't have.>> The other option is to provide the list of questions to the candidates inadvance. >> Yeah. That's>> that's true too. Well here so I have the uh>> I like that idea too. That's>> I have the current schedule being determined by administration becausethat gives Joy scheduling flexibility because if a certain applicant worksuntil >> 5:00 they might want to come in or till6:00 they might want to come in here at 7:45. So I I would hesitate to lock itdown too much by that. Then I think we just opened up the can of worms again ondo we want to go with uh templated questions or we want to give boardmembers the opportunity to ask their own questions. Based on the discussion thatI'm hearing, I feel like we're kind of split on that.>> Um >> on whether or not we should use onlypre-anned questions. >> No, I think>> or if we're allowed to use our own questions.>> I thought we decided to do two the same questions and then an extra question tokind of lead from. >> So up to two questions, one of thembeing a pre-anned question.>> So two pre-anned question leaving it open for that third whateverif if it leads you down a path that you want to know.>> Yes. If one of the questions is what's the most important job of thesuperintendent and it's communication with with staff and the board.>> I mean >> it's 10 seconds>> there. Yeah. I mean so that's what I'm saying is maybe I I mean I don't knowthe perfect answer to this. I understand and I agree and can see the benefit ofusing the same questions for everybody because then you hear the variety justfrom the people, >> right? Um, I just>> I also want to be able to >> and I hesitate to do that because uhlike I I see a certain name on this list who I know is a qualified board member,but their behavior over the last couple of months has put them in a positionwhere I would not even want to consider them. But uh I I would like tounderstand that person's perspective for their their recent behavior and see ifmaybe I do want to consider them for the board. And if I limit myself to thequestions I'm asking, I have already eliminated that eliminated that personbefore I've had an opportunity to talk to them.And I don't feel that's fair to the applicant either.[clears throat] >> Right.So that that's my biggest hesitancy on using pre-anned questions, but I'm I'mhappy to throw that out to a vote to the board to see if the board as a majoritywants to use pre-anned questions or if we just want to move on and use ourthree minutes as we see fit. >> The other option I'm sorry,>> go ahead. The other option to consider take the first 15 minutes arepredetermined questions. You leave three minutes, four minutes at the end forfollowup. You'd have to determine at the table whogets to ask what question is as followup. But>> um it creates a a common structure for allcandidates. So you you avoid the risk of someone sayingthey didn't get a fair shot because Mhm. >> These questions were asked of thiscandidate. I didn't get a chance to answer the question.>> True, >> the way I felt I needed to.>> I just think there's some real value and some common structure from a fairnessstandpoint. >> And if there's a desire to ask otherfree flowing questions or followup, maybe create that time at the end,however long that is. >> Yeah, we we need to have some parametersand some consistency, I think, >> andThese aren't these are written for schoolboardcandidates. So yeah, they're >> and they're good>> canned and they're prescriptive, but they kind of cover all areas. And youknow, there's a wide variety, too. I think we should still for consistencysake try to stick with some of them, but then like you said, two off here and one>> followup or what are you thinking now? Um,God, I'm I'm really curious to see what a a consensus of the board is on whetherwe want to consider >> canned questions because I I feel likewe're split on this. >> No, I think we I think we all agree weshould have some >> of the canned questions.>> Consistency and >> I thought we had one, but now it seemslike it fell apart. So, I don't know. Yeah, I I can make>> Yeah, I I think this is extremely valuable to have, but I I would hate tolimit myself to it, >> right? And I don't I don't think youshould. >> So, two of these questions>> and then one other. >> Yeah, that's what we kind of haddecided. >> Yeah.>> Well, I think you mentioned that, but then the chair said that he wouldn't, ifI heard you right, Mr. Chair, that you would not use the two canned questions,you would go with personal question. >> Yeah. If I'm given three questions and Ineed to use two off the sheet, I'm going to start with mine. I'm going to startwith the the question that I >> and that's up to you to do because youhave your time. You have three minutes. >> So>> definitely >> I mean I just think we need to come toan agreement. >> So do we want to say that applicant andinterviewers will be limited to 20 minutes? Each board member will give begiven three minutes to ask up to three questions.Up to three questions. Two of which >> do they have to be canned from thissheet? I mean because how many are on here? 28. There's six of us.>> Yeah. Do we want to say two of which or one of which have to come from the listthat member Tyson provided? >> I think two each, right?>> We just can't have the same ones. >> 28, right?>> Yeah. So, maybe we want to say each member um would be limited to at wouldbe given three minutes to ask up to three questions, one of which mustoriginate from this list. And then uh because by the time we got to the sixthmember um we might be getting down there quite a bit>> because I have a list at home that I was kind of looking at as well>> with a couple of good questions on there.>> Did you bring it? >> No.[snorts] >> Okay.>> I guess I just have a you know sort of a proceduralquestion. And um just kind of getting back to the point of of you knowfairness for all candidates. I mean I just kind of keep thinking about that ifif like I said if there's some candidates that some of us know prettywell and we go straight to a personal or a question of our own to that person.Maybe we're off over here on some sort of tangent or something. And then maybesome of these names that we are not as familiar with just feel like well I didn't you know Iyeah I don't know I mean I'm struggling with that a little bit because some ofthese names we know so well and >> um I feel like to member chair's pointyou said you'd just go kind of right into a question that you're reallyinterested in wanting to ask which is >> but then>> especially for the individuals I know Yeah,>> because I you want to you want to peel back the layers. You want to understandwhat what are they really uh motivated by.But for the members that or the individuals on the list that I don'tknow, I would probably be more likely to start with a more generic question suchas the one provided on the list and then when I want to dig deeper, then I wouldadapt and move into my my personal questions.>> I don't know. I just feel like this is a big huge can of worms.>> I I think it's great to have the the questions myself personally. I I lovethis list. I thank member Tyson for bringing it,>> but I don't want to limit myself to only ask what's on the on the sheet of paper.That's that's my personal feeling on that.Um >> I agree.>> So where do we go from here? Are we going to do one off the list and two>> I would be okay. Yeah, you you you can ask up to threequestions in your three minutes, but one of them must originate from this list.>> Okay. >> I I would be comfortable with that.>> Okay. >> We just have to let Joy know which one.>> Do I do I see a consensus on that or do we want to vote on that?>> I think we should just >> fine.Member Christensen. >> Well, just to to So, if you're sayingone has to be on the list, what if of your three you start with your firstquestion and then your three minutes is up? I guess I don't>> then I'm done, >> right? So, so, so it doesn't matter. Itdoesn't matter if we say one must be from the list and two can be our own.All you got to do is start with your own and then your three minutes is done andwe're not getting to the >> if it takes that long. Otherwise, maybelike member Castle mentioned it, it takes 10 seconds, 15 seconds. Threeminutes is a long time. If you think about public comment, when we have greencards here, three minutes is a long time to talk about something.So I think that would be a really comprehensive question to last threeminutes. [snorts] >> Okay, let me see if I can capture whatwe have so far and see if there's anything else we want to discuss. So Ihave uh um a couple of points here that I established one through I think I haveeight. Um, uh, Laura has been identified as the,um, the voters's choice candidate. Theschool board is establishing two committees to select Oh, wait. Up to twofinalists, right? Up to twoeach to select up to two finalists in addition to um, Mrs. Duragu.The first committee shall consist of members Corkran, Tyson, and Christensen.The second committee shall consist of members Rebeline, Anton, and Castle. Thecommittees will meet on December 3rd at 5:00 p.m. um in this room, and we willinterview candidates um all applicants. Let me change thatquick. Using a schedule determined byadministration, that leaves it open for joy. Um immediately following thecommittee meetings, the full board will meet and each committee will provide thename of up to two selected finalists to the full board.All portions of the December 3rd meeting consisting of the full board will berecorded and streamed. Um application or applicant interviewswill be limited to 20 minutes. Each board member will be given three minutesto ask up to three questions, one of which must originate from the listprovided by member Tyson. And a special order of businessum adopting a resolution naming one of the selected finalists to fill a seatvacated by former member Hagglin will take place on the December 4th board.>> What was that last sentence? I'm sorry. >> Um the final selection will occur atDecember 4th. >> December 4th.>> Yeah. Did member Corkin, did I miss anything?>> No, no. I was just gonna say, since we're all here, should we pick thequestion we're gonna ask? >> I was thinking too.>> She has the list. She knows. No, we're not.>> Yes. [snorts] I think it's a good idea.>> Oh, so we each pick >> a question.>> Well, one that we would ask every every applicant. Oh, I see. Oh, yeah.>> Let's do it tonight so we're not duplicating. Send it all to join thesame number and then it's back and forth. So can I have a clarifyingquestion >> based on what you were absolutely off.Thank you. >> So>> all the 11 will be interviewed equally. Correct.>> Yes. >> Okay. In the same process, the same 20minutes. >> Well, as long as they can all get here.>> Yes. Yes. Assuming they can all make it. And uh um the schedule that we will workthrough them will be determined by administration as Joyy's able to get ahold of the candidates and get them on the schedule. And then just curious, Iasked this earlier. Um 511 and5, six, and 11 are missing. There's basically nothing filled out. Do we wantto ask for more or just go with it? >> Just Oh, their actual application you'resaying? >> Yes.>> Oh, I haven't even looked at them yet. >> You can answer that question later.>> I haven't even looked at them. Okay, >> we can do that later. Okay.>> Yeah. And I would also encourage board members to reach out to these applicantsindividually >> and uh you know try to get them to knowthem before the interview process if possible as well especially for some ofthe names that aren't known to you. >> What's five, six, and 11? What>> they're you when you look over them you'll see.>> Yeah. >> So I apologize. I didn't realize peopledidn't look at all of them. So, some of the questions hadn't been answered or>> um yeah, one is just a letter with nothing on the front. Feel free tofigure it out. >> Um yeah, so you>> we can either request more, we can just leave it andgo with it. >> Well, I would think if we're askingpeople to fill out an application, that is part of the process, you would think,right? I mean, >> so that it's fair for everyone. youeveryone is supposed to fill out the exact same.>> Well, I see there's one here that's uh >> correct. And you know, there's theexpectation that the other um seven did the did that. So,just I just think when we get >> I see one of them it looks like theyanswered the questions in a letter format.Um, I will say when I was looking at some of a couple of these online,I couldn't see the entirety of the answer when they answered it on the formitself online. And so I wonder if it got a little wonky sometimes when peoplewere trying to fill it out and they just went to a different format. >> I don't know, but we should answer thatquestion um at some point. When do you think we could do that, Madam Chair?I'm just I'm just looking through here. I'm not seeing because>> everybody hasn't gotten a chance to >> I'm just not seeing any applicants thatwe >> Not all of them. Yes, because we didn't>> I don't see anything disqualifying. >> Okay.>> At a glance here. >> Just want to make sure everybody iscomfortable with. >> Yeah, it it appears that you know someof them were used attachments. It appears that we have the relevantinformation we need to work off of. >> And if they didn't supply it, well thenthey put theelves at a disadvantage. This is completely empty and it saysplease see attached. This is empty. >> Yeah. So then you see other peoplefilled them all out. >> The questions are answered in>> Yeah. In the text on the next page. >> Okay.>> It looks like a number of applicants did that. Remember Tyson?>> Um >> some of them answered them in line,others used attachments, others use uh some have resumeumés attached, some donot. Right. >> Yeah. I don't I don't see anything herethat is disqualifying amongst any of the applicants.>> Well, I wouldn't disqualify them. I just asked them to complete the properpaperwork. >> Like I said, I don't know. When I waslooking at one of them today, it was not showing up properly when I clicked onthe attachment and the answer was in one line and across the page, off the edges.I couldn't read it. Oh, >> I'm saying maybe there was a technicaldifficulty when somebody else got on the computer one day.>> Yeah, I saw that. >> I know that the first the first one thatcame through >> there was a lot of issues getting thatone through properly. >> Multiple, right? Like Yeah. So, I mean,I'm just saying >> some I got and some I didn't. So, I'vereally only just looked at all the hard copies. I haven't really>> Yeah, me too. I mean, we just all got them. I don't know.>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm I'm happy with what I see hereif other board members are having done a cursory review on them.>> Yeah. >> Okay.>> Okay. So, we're trying to pick out our question, right?>> I got your question that you want to ask. >> Oh, yes. That's right. Okay. So, go gothrough and and each of us pick out one. >> Can I get a point of clarification asyou were reading through the potential resolution?>> Yes. You indicated that each member would have three questions. One of whichI think you used the word must come from this list.>> Correct. >> So does that mean that the question fromthe list must get asked >> or must be part of>> must be part of the three that you would ask.>> So the one from here does get asked must get asked>> must get asked >> by each member.>> Yeah, it should be. I mean if you're going to get a question you should askit. >> Okay. Okay. So maybe looking for a pointof um they must >> must be because then otherwise itwouldn't be able to compare to the otherapplicants if you don't ask the same question.>> Um okay so I will change it to um each board member will be given three minutesto ask up to three questions. The first of which>> must originate >> from the list.>> Thank you. Yeah that's a good clarifying. while you're at it, umperhaps a conversation around should those predetermined questions beprovided in advance. >> Um they will see it if they reviewtonight's board meeting if we're each going to select our meeting.>> They'll be part of the minutes as well. >> Yeah. Okay.>> Yeah. So >> well Joy has all their if if we don't ifwe want them to have it >> everybody then she>> she'll be they actually have this list >> so to that point do we want to select aquestion or do we just want to leave it as we can ask any of the 28?>> No because otherwise we'll keep No, I think we should assign one>> so then we know what we're asking and it's not duplicate. Well, the the shecould take one of these and say, "You may be asked.">> Oh, for the >> multiplepeople. Yes. Like >> And then we can >> lot of reading to do.>> Was there extras of this, but it got to your end, Joe?>> Uh Julion would be I don't think we should providethese interview questions in advance. I mean, it's an interview. You should beable to answer the question. You should be prepared. You should think about it.I mean, I'm going back to that League of Women W women forum thing that we did.We certainly didn't get those questions in advance.>> I was I'm responding to the first person is going to not be aware of thequestions, but the >> Well, that is true.That's why I was saying maybe we should >> just pull a name out of the hat and it'syour turn because again to the same point the 11th person>> becomes difficult from a scheduling standpoint.>> Well, I know but the 11th person has way more advantage than the first person.>> That's true. >> So yeah, I guess that's a good point,Dr. Massie. I didn't think about that, but I don't know. Whatever. I don'tknow. >> I feel like we're splitting hairs.>> You're convincing me that it's it's a bad idea to go with pre-anned questionsat all again. >> No, you need to do that though.All right. >> I'm okay with accepting one question offthe list. Uh, it must come off this list though if if other board members are.>> Okay. So, who's ready? Who knows what they want to ask?>> I took nine. >> You took question nine.>> Yep. >> And gave Joy my list since she has alist. >> Okay.>> I would like 16. >> Okay. I'd like question 25.[clears throat] 25. >> That's a good one.See that one? I should change my mind. Can I changemine to 26? >> 26. >> I haven't read them through them all.I'm impressed here. >> Okay, I'm packing up. I'm packing. I gotto pack it up to my car. [snorts] Okay, we got a little bit more work hereto do though. >> I'll take number 24.>> 24, Jill.>> Okay. >> Okay.>> These are great questions. >> Yeah, they're good.>> They're really >> They are good. They're very good.>> I did take a picture. You go take it. I took a photo.>> Yeah. >> Do you need>> I'll take number five. >> I just took a picture in my phone.Doesn't matter. >> Okay. Okay. So, I got to find mine here.>> I'm kind of getting tired. >> Oh, I'm seven's a good one.>> I'm going to go with seven. >> Get some people to agree.>> Okay. So, >> all right. We got those.>> I I think we got them here. We're going to go with question number five formember Antonson. Question number seven for member Rebeline. Question numbernine for member Tyson. Question number 24 for member Christensen. Questionnumber 25 for member Castle and question number 26for member Corkran. Is that accurate? Okay. In that case, uh Jill, if youplease share that with each of the candidates so they they know which ofthose questions available. >> I said Joy.>> Did you sound like Jill? >> Did it?>> Yeah. >> Okay.>> You meant joy. >> Joy.>> Joy. >> Um I stand corrected if I in fact didsay that. The video won't lie. Okay. So, I think I captured thediscussion here and just to uh [snorts] make it all official, I'll throw a amotion for resolution out there with things that we captured. We can vote onthat. We can approve it and then we can hopefully adjourn relatively quicklyhere. So, um I move to resolve the file following.Whereas the board previously established that applications to fill the vacancywould be accepted and the committees would select individual finalists tojoin the preferred the preferred voters's choice candidate. And whereasafter reviewing the applicants, Mrs. Laura Dagu has been identified as thepreferred voter's choice candidate. And whereas the board previously establishedthat the committee shall meet on December 1st at 5:00 pm at the ForestLake Area School District office to determine their finalists.Now therefore be it resolved that one, Mrs. Laura Dagu is named as thepreferred finalist as the voters's choice applicant for the school boardvacancy. Two, the school board is establishing two committees to eachselect up to two finalists in addition to Mrs. Dagu. Three, the first committeeshall consist of members Corkran, member Tyson, and member Christensen. Thesecond committee shall consist of member Rebeline, member Antinson, and memberCastle. Four, the committees will meet on December 3rd at 5:00 p.m. at theForest Lake Area School District office to determine all applicants using aschedule determined by administration. Five, immediately following thecommittee meetings, the full board will meet and each committee shall providethe name of up to two selected finalists to the full board.Six, all portions of the December 3rd meeting consisting of the full boardshall be recorded and streamed online. Seven, applicant interviews will belimited to 20 minutes each. Each board member will be given three minutes toask up to three questions. The first question must originate from the listprovided by member Tyson and reflect the question assigned this evening. Eight.The special order of business of adopting a resolution naming one of theselected finalists to fill the seat vacated by former member Hegeland shallbe scheduled to take place at the December 4th board meeting. Do I have asecond? >> Second.>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Discussion.Did I capture that all? I hope [clears throat]>> so. >> Yes, member.>> I'm bringing this up again. I think you need to change the wording of voters'schoice. I think I've heard that it's confusing. I think you should call itthe next highest vote getter in the election in the>> deduct. What when was it? >> 2024.>> Very good. >> Just you were in it.>> I know. >> It feels like forever ago.>> That would be the voter's choice. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I think it's confusing. Ithink we should just be calling that the next highest vote getter in the 2024election [snorts] and not be calling it voter's choice because that's going tonot be true for everyone. Right. >> Therefore,>> I think it just makes more sense to say it that way.>> Yeah, >> I can wrap my head around that. I'lloffer two amendments to the resolution. >> Um, in the first or in the the secondwhereas after reviewing the applicants, Mrs. Lord Durangu has been identified asthe highest unelected vote getter in 2024.And then in the resolution now [snorts]therefore it be resolved item number one Mrs. Laura Durangu is named as thepreferred finalist as the highest unelected vote getter. >> Perfect. Yes.>> Do I have a second on that? >> Second.>> Okay, we have a motion. Second. Any any discussion on that amendment?>> Joy, I hope you certainly a lot easier to see. Going off of what I had writtendown the other way. >> Okay.>> Um, if there's no discussion, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. Thoseopposed. Okay, that amendment passes. And now, of course, everything I havewritten down is is no longer accurate. Is there any other discussion on thatthat resolution or are we good? >> Can I just ask?>> Yes, of course. uh is there any kind of a time limit or anything on ourcommittee? So, so we interview everybody and then we break into the committees.Is there >> not as this is written if the committeeand that that's part of the risk here if it takes three hours for eachsubcommittee to determine their applicants. We will convene immediatelyafter that as a full board. So, if one of the committees goes long, um theother committee just needs to wait until we can convene as a full board. I'm willing to take that risk myself.[clears throat] >> Okay. I am. Yeah.>> Yeah. Does that is that okay? >> Yeah. I was just asking. I didn't knowthere was a time limit either. >> All right. Yep. And an importantdistinction on that, the resolution does change the meeting from December 1st toDecember 3rd. >> It states that we did set the meeting asDecember 1st at 1st and we then change it in the resolution. So, that has beenaccounted for as well. >> I'm not sure the resolution indicated5:00 p.m. >> um>> towards the open. >> It did. Uh item number four, andhopefully I said this out loud correctly, the committees will meet onDecember 3rd at 5:00 p.m. at Forest Lake Area School District Office to interviewall applicants using a schedule determined by administration. >> And you'll email that out to us, memberchair. Um, yes. In fact, I'm just I'm I'm amendingit now as we amended it earlier. unelected voteleader of the 2024. Okay. So, my my wording isn't exactlywhat I said earlier in the amendment, but it captures the uh the heart of whatwe were trying to get to. And I will copy this and and email it out to theboard when we're done. >> Is there any other discussion on thatresolution? >> Um if not, I'll ask member clerk to takea roll call on that. >> On the resolution resolution. Yeah.Being a resolution. >> All right. We're saying yes to theresolution as it's been written and read to us. Correct.>> Yes. Correct. The Member Christensen.>> I. >> Member Reveline.>> I. >> Member Tyson.>> It's been amended, right? >> Yes. Yes. The amended resolution.>> Okay. I [clears throat] >> Member Castle>> I. >> Member Corkran.>> I. >> And member Antson votes I. The eyes haveit. >> Okay. The motion carries. Um I will sendthis out immediately after entertaining a motion to adjurnn seeing that there isno b no new business on the agenda. >> So moved.>> Second. Thank you. >> Motion second. Any discussion?All those in favor signify by saying I. I.