I now call the regular school board meeting for Forest Lake Area Schools, Thursday, January 22nd to order. Please join us while we recite the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Member clerk, will you please take the roll call of attendance? >> I will. Uh, member Christensen >> here, >> member Tyson >> here. Member Rebeline >> here. >> Member Anton is here. Member Castle >> here. >> And member Corkran >> here. Everybody's here. >> All right. Um, with that, uh, I would entertain a motion to approve the meeting agenda. >> So, move >> second. >> We have a motion and a second. Um, really briefly, I'll just mention, especially to those watching at home here, we do have a number of items on the proposed agenda this evening that are crossed off. They're crossed off just for an awareness that they were intended to be on the agenda this evening, but we had some cancellations. Um you'll see like a a committee reports and a superintendent search discussion, a presentation by the uh MSBA. Those will have to come at a later time. Um just cancelled due to weather. Uh with that, is there any discussion on the agenda? [snorts] >> All right. Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed. Okay, that motion carries. Brings us to scheduled and unscheduled visitors. I do have two green cards here this evening. I'll go through this really quick. Um although the board is not legally required to offer public comment. We believe it's an important part of community interaction and have included it on tonight's agenda. We ask that speakers keep their comments relevant to the indicated agenda item. Be respectful, avoid personal comments about board members, and refrain from sharing private or sensitive information. This process is non-interactive. We request that everyone be everyone present be respectful commenters and refrain from making their own comments or applauding to help keep things moving. Speakers will have three minutes. The clerk will give notification to speakers as their time is expiring and the chair will strike the gavl once your time has expired. I've shuffled the deck of two here and we'll call green card speakers by first and last name and last initial. Please be ready when it's your turn. I'm Karen. >> Good evening everyone. I too would have liked to cancel tonight. It's a little chilly out there, but when I looked at the agenda and I thought there was a lot of things in there about uh involvement with the community and you know that's number one on my list. I think your job is to listen to them and their job is to come if they have an idea or something about the agenda. So a little bit of history I think is in order. It was maybe 20 I can't figure out how long AI didn't tell me but it's a long time ago. We had a a citizen who wanted to come to the business meeting. We always let people talk. There was never a time when I was on any board that they couldn't come and talk. But this particular gentleman liked to talk for maybe 15 20 minutes and maybe more and it would delay the business meeting. And so I was the one that started the green card decided that if we would give them an hour of a listening session, then that particular gentleman or anyone else who wants to talk for that long of a time wouldn't interrupt the business meeting. they would get to talk to two board members and they would have to um sign up for a green chart card only if it's on the agenda. It was working quite well until just recently and I think what happened just recently first of all the acknowledgement of how we can come and and speak. you didn't mention um what a privilege it is today and that's good because sometimes I've heard the chair say it's a privilege to come here and speak and you don't have to let them and I think it's their responsibility if they have something to say to talk to the board and so when when they're not listened to then they get angry um all that other time I never had policemen out there never had you know and I would not want bad words or any kind of an insulting thing for any board members now, but we didn't have that. But, you know, I think it was a time that was different that when the public did speak up, and you've heard them in the last year speak up loudly, they felt listened to and I don't think they feel listened to anymore. And so, that's why I think some of the green cards have come up a little bit more nasty. Hoping mine are always maybe too long and not important, but they're not nasty usually. I don't use bad language. Um, so I think it's something that we have to work on together. And I hope tonight that policy that you put together, I shouldn't have to know a week before what I might want to comment on the night of the meeting. And I don't know if I read that wrong or if that's going to be just an agenda item you have to do that for, but I would be very sad and maybe would have to interrupt meeting sometimes if I ever found out that you're going to take the ability for them to come here and voice their opinion. Whether you like it or not is your choice, but I think they have the right um and in my estimation, they even have a responsibility to come and let you know what's going on. So, I just hope that whatever policy you decide on tonight is pro community, not pro board. And if that happens, I'll probably go away and not even bother you anymore. But we'll see. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Uh Dan E. Hi, you guys probably recognize me, Dean Ericson. Um, I just saw finally on the agenda something I could address and hopefully you'll hear me out on this. Um, the appointment of a school district legal council. Um, as you guys know, I'm uh interested in fundamental law type issues and looking at the constitution and saying, okay, what does the constitution say when the the state hands down uh statutes? Um, is that constitutional? If it's not constitutional, that statute is just null and void. And what I'd like to do is encourage you to look for a council that is familiar with the fundamental law concepts uh that would seriously consider whether or not the statutes coming your way that are creating mandates are something that is constitutional. And so see if you can find someone who's got some of this background with them or is open at least to learning about it. So thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> That is all I have for green cards this evening, which will bring us to committee reports. I'll kick things off with the 916 report. We had our organizational meeting at uh 9:16 last night and not a not a whole lot of action items, but the the one thing that I did want to highlight here for um the board tonight is that we had our um audit and we actually got the the results of that and as expected there were no findings in the audit. Um everything was very clean. Um they run a great operation at 9:16. One thing that really stood out to me that I I think is really important to highlight is the unassigned fund balance at 916 um closed at 17.1%. Um there's a policy at 9:16 that requires that it um hover somewhere between 10 and 15% at a minimum and we closed it at 17.1% for a total unassigned fund balance of just shy of $14 million which is um well it's not quite double what we have here at Forest Lake, but for an operation that's roughly 20 to 30 thou or 20 to30 $30 million smaller than ours. um that really stood out to me and it it shows that, you know, we've made a lot of really good progress here in Forest Lake, but we got a little bit more work to do. Um and it also shows that uh how well 916 is and the model at 9:16 is different. So, it's a bit of an unfair comparison because the uh the funding there is based mainly on tuition. So, it's a little bit uh easier for them to achieve. But, uh if you are interested in seeing the uh the full report, just let me know. um I can get that for you. But that concludes my report on 916. And the only other thing we have on for the report is AMSD. Dr. Massie, >> thank you. Um I certainly appreciate the opportunity to be a part of the um Association of Metro Area Metropolitan Area School Districts, EMSD. Uh it's comprised largely of superintendents and districts from metro area school districts. Uh they meet every first Friday of the month and I've attended each of those meetings the last several months. Uh this is my first report on AMSD and they've covered a variety of different topics. Most recently a fairly comprehensive overview of the Minnesota student survey results. Uh there there are two working groups that were put together out of the last legislative session. one on special education funding and special education formula reform. So, we were able to get some updates on their work, which is far from complete, but some updates on their work. There's also a working group on compensatory aid funding. Uh, as you know, we are funded either through direct certification or application. compensatory aid app aid is tied to free and reduced price lunch again through direct certification or family application. So an update on their work and then another meeting again this morning where they talked about those two topics but they also spent a lot of time talking about um district's work in supporting students who aren't coming to school due to um immigration enforcement activity in communities. uh there that varies across the metro area. There are some districts that are gravely affected by families who are not coming to school. Um a common and consistent theme across school districts including Forest Lake is um as you would expect our focus is academics and our focus is student safety. Um we don't weigh in on a student's immigration status. the student who comes to us for education. It's our job to provide that education in a uh effective way and to make sure kids are safe. That is our role. Um but a really um kind of heartfelt and and difficult conversation from a number of districts. Columbia Heights gave an update on their um recent experiences and if you follow the news, they've had some pretty um challenging experiences in in that community. So again, a very nice network for us to be working with um and it provides a great um again networking opportunity for the district. That concludes my report. >> All right. Thank you, Dr. Massie. >> That brings us to the consent agenda. Does any board member have an item that they would like pulled from the consent agenda? >> All right. I don't see anything. I would entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda in its entirety. >> Second. >> All right. Motion to second. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. >> Those opposed. A motion carries. Brings us to action items. Um 8.1. We'll start with the designate official school newspaper. Um I'll I'll proceed this one and proceed a motion here that uh I'm going to make a recommendation to the board. I spent the last couple of weeks really thinking in depth about this. had a great conversation with a community member earlier today who made some really good suggestions on different things that uh we could consider, different things that we should think about. And um I had an another excellent conversation with member Tyson earlier today with uh the proposal that I'm going to make here to the board. Uh one thing that I did find was that uh or was reminded of was that designation of an official school name newspaper does require a unanimous um action by the board. uh it doesn't mean we all have to vote in the affirmative, but it doesn't mean that none of us can vote in the negatory. [snorts] So, with that, um I I spoke with, as I mentioned, I spoke with member Tyson to really understand um her concerns and see if there was a way that we could work with member Tyson's concerns and my concerns and and formulate a solution that would work for the entire board and obtain consent or obtain approval. So, what I'd like to present tonight, and and this is uh kind of a long motion, so I'm happy to read it more than once and explain it if anybody has any questions, but uh um I would like to propose a motion. Um, so I move to accept the submitted bid and designate the Pioneer Press as the official school newspaper for legal notifications concerning bids, employment matters, and anything deemed urgent by administration and to accept the submitted bid and designate the Forest Lake Times as the official school newspaper for all other matters necessitating notice. I would accept a second. >> I'd second that. >> Okay. Is there any discussion or questions on the motion? Member Christensen? >> Uh, just sort of a point of clarification. Um, I thought that we discussed if there's going to be pre-approved motions that you're reading off your computer, if you could print those out for the board so that we're able to look at them. >> Oh, I do not have a printed copy of that. Um, Joy, if I send that to you, could you print it? Yeah, I certainly >> I think we agreed on that after the uh December 2nd meeting where there was a long >> we did talk about that. Thank you. Um I will send that to Joy. We'll get a a copy. Um Joy, if you wouldn't mind printing a couple um of extra ones for the individuals in the um audience here this evening. This will take just a little bit of time. Is there any discussion while um weighed on that physical copy? Member Tyson. So, I just want to add what we talked about with the board chair and what the three of us were bringing up the last time this came up is that we don't want to lose our local paper and this long-standing relationship we've had with them reporting on the goings on in the district putting it wouldn't make sense to put the minutes in the pioneer press but more so that you know they have the superintendent corner they have our principal featured teaching and learning can add an article I heard from booster club parents that still want that same value in the paper that they subscribe to with the pictures and the announcements for theater activities, sports, um when the students get state championships. So I think there's a lot of value in maintaining that and the importance of that relationship to continue with Forest Lake times. So I'm happy that we can come to an agreement and use both of them. Um, I we talked about trying it for one year and re-evaluating and see if it we do necessitate having two papers, but I know that we'd really upset the apple cart if we did not have the foresight times as our school paper. So, I'm happy we came to this compromise. All right. Member >> and you had said um can you differentiate like you said bids [clears throat] like said for big projects things like that and and notices those will go in St. Pioner press those on there. Okay. >> Yep. Yep. Yeah. Through this motion. Yes. And um I can explain that a little bit. We we talked about it a couple of weeks ago but uh >> um one of the one of the concerns I had with the Force Times and I want to just reiterate this this is not a reflection on the Times or the reporting or anything. the editorial, the uh legal notices are two separate entities, but uh >> thank you. >> One of the things that I felt was advantageous with the Pioneer Press with bids and employment was that uh um smaller businesses that may only look at those two metro papers would would then have uh the notice and they would have the opportunity to bid on that and that might be beneficial um to the district in the long run. As member Tyson mentioned earlier though, um it's possible that, you know, that's not the case and that's one of the reasons we talk about the newspaper every year. So, uh we can kind of re-evaluate things a year from now and see how that works. Um >> it could be great and and it it could not move the needle at all. >> Okay. So just to be clear, so any that you said the bids would any of the bidding notifications be in the times or just be just in the parent press or is it going to be in both? >> Um >> I'm just curious for local people that are in the local community both. >> I I would jump in and say I don't think it would be prudent to do that. >> So we won't do both. We'll >> as you know we've been posting bids in the Forest Lake Times for a long time. >> Um it served us well there. The Pioneer Press certainly is a a broad paper, so we'll get exposure there, >> but I don't think it would make sense to double up those expenses. Biders are going to find >> contractors are going to find our bids, whether they're in the Foresight Times or the Pioneer Press, >> they'll know. >> Yeah. And >> as long as they're aware >> to that point that Dr. Massie, you and I had the opportunity to speak earlier about this as well. You mentioned there was an aggregation service that a lot of the larger contractors and some of the contractors that we typically use >> utilize. They don't go straight to the newspaper. They use this aggregation service. Can you can you speak to that a little bit more so the other board members can get that context as well? >> Yeah, I don't have specifics on what the actual uh services are, but there are services out there that contractors rely on whose job it is to scan for different bids, whether it's bids on uh public equipment purchased for public entities such as school districts. you think about the [clears throat] dishwasher bids that we put out previously, that's going to appeal to a certain set of vendors or contractors. So, those contractors will be leaning into those services to for for those services that post different public entities that are looking for bids on those projects. Same for parking lots, roof projects, HVAC projects, other construction projects. Those are scanned and called by these services, put in in public space for contractors to um to gain knowledge of what companies and school districts are seeking bids and then they would proceed accordingly. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Member Christensen. So, if I'm reading the motion here, it says um the Pioneer Press, the official school newspaper for legal notifications concerning bids, employment matters, and anything deemed urgent by the administration and other things would go to the force like time. So, can you give an example of what other things would be? What other things? >> Um, >> all other matters necessitating notice. What What's an example? >> Meeting minutes is the first one that comes up in my mind. Um, but I'm sure there are others as well. Are there others that you can think of, Dr. Massie, or would it just only be the minutes? >> Uh, the school board proceedings, the minutes would um according to this motion would be placed in the Forest Lake Times. Um, the special meetings that get called by the board do not require a paper notification. They just require a posting >> and the board bulletin board at the entrance of the district office serves for that purpose as well as board book. >> Um >> regular meeting notifications are published in the newspaper though. Is that correct? >> Uh we do not publish those in the newspaper. Those are published on board book and then our bulletin board. >> Okay. Okay. Did we publish for our schoolboard vacancy in the times >> and we've done things like that I think in the past. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. We might have done a >> taking out an ad for those notifications. >> Anything that's relevant >> but I mean that would be an ad that we paid for that's not part of this. >> When we when we went through the Foresight Elementary School closure that required two public postings. I would envision that would be a foresight times >> um exposure opportunity versus the Pioneer Press >> Y. >> And then just one more question. Um I believe it says uh newspaper of record, not plural. So are we okay with two newspapers? >> I did consult MSBA and there's nothing in the statute that would preclude the board from identifying two newspapers of public record. Okay. >> And and another point of clarification here in case anybody does ask, I I do note anything deemed urgent uh by administration for the Pioneer Press as well. The reason I did that was because they're a daily publication. Um so it would for urgent matters, it would be u a shorter turnaround time for that, but that gives a um administration the discretion to make that choice. member Castle. >> And if we so choose, we could actually post something at both papers. >> At any point the the board can make that call and um >> Well, I think that was just similar to Dr. Massiey's point though. I mean, why would you do that, right? >> Yeah. >> It's probably might not come up very often, but there might be something that we consider that maybe it should go in both papers, but we have the ability to do that. We do and we when we uh posted for the board vacancy we did discuss the possibility of doing that. We decided to go just with the times at that point. Um so >> member Tyson >> and I just want to add that the board chair and I did talk about how his feeling was that we'd get more of a broader um scope of applicants for bids and whatnot. but in and I told him in my history I've never known that we didn't get enough >> but and have to reput the bid back out again. But I was wondering if we talked to our business director if she would want to have input or if superintendent's input is sufficient. >> I would just add and certainly director runi can speak to this as well but and we've had a lot of conversations. We have placed bids forever for a long time I should say in the foresight times. >> Um there's maybe been an occasion or two or two where we didn't get the sufficient number of bids that we needed. >> Very frequent. >> Um I can't speak to whether the same would be true with the Pioneer Press posting. >> Okay. >> But generally we are very satisfied. And the other side of this is when we are out for for bids and we have a a pretty deep knowledge of the contractors that are in that space doing that work, >> right? and we typically reach out to them to give them a heads up that a bid's coming out. >> So, we're working that process >> to to make sure that folks see the bid and we encourage a wide number of different contractors to >> to bid on our projects >> and we talked about how we have a lot of good relationships with contractors already. So, >> y >> um that happens kind of organically. So yeah, >> member Christensen, >> just a clarifying point. So this is something that we do every year at the organizational meeting. Yes. >> So to member Tyson's point, >> uh, you know, if we try this out for a year, that would again put us at the organizational meeting. So if we would want to make changes. >> Yep. >> That would automatically be something on the agenda at the organization. >> Correct. >> Y >> correct. >> Yep. >> Yep. And and to that point, we did it at the organizational meeting last night at 9:16 as well. >> Do we want to insert that into the motion? Is that what you're suggesting? Member Christensen? >> I was thinking about that, but then it came to me that we do this every year. So, I don't think I don't think we need to put it in in there because that'll come up automatically next year. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Just out of curiosity, member chair, who did 916 choose as their official newspaper? um the Vadness Heights newspaper uh press publications [clears throat] I believe is the >> use. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um the statute on newspapers is curious to say the very least. if you have a a newspaper of record in within the boundaries of your district um there's almost a statutory requirement to give them preferential treatment. So 916 having such vast district boundaries um they have a couple of of different newspapers to select from um within the district [snorts] and I do not believe that uh uh Pioneer Press has an office within the district of Eva Viva 916. So that wasn't an option for them. >> But uh >> does the Pioneer Press have an office in our district? We have no newspaper with an office in our district any longer. [snorts] All right. Is there any other discussion? I see none. I I'd just like to thank the board members that that I spent a lot of time on the phone with uh member Tyson this afternoon talking about this idea, working through it, uh understanding uh the different things we were working with. I I spoke with member Corkran earlier in the week as well and like to thank them for their time and helping put this motion together. I'm hopeful that we can get it passed this evening and and move on. If there's no other discussion, um I'll just briefly look around and see do we want a roll call on this or is a voice vote. All right. All right. Looks like a voice vote is all right. >> I'm I'm fine with a voice vote. >> Yeah, me too. >> All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed. All right. Motion carries unanimously. Um that brings us to 8.2 resolution regarding paraprofessional short call substitutes. Dr. Massie. So um in an effort to address sub or substitute shortages when teachers are absent, we are bringing this resolution to the board tonight. Um asking uh for your action on this and seeking approval. The 2025 legislative session enacted provisions permitting uh indistrict pair professionals and certain other others uh employees to obtain an emergency short call teaching license. Um, this resolution applies to current staff members, pair of professionals employed as paraprofessionals by the school district um at the time of their ESS or ESC license application and others who meet the qualification established by the public educator licensing and standards boards, Pel Pelby, and who are approved by the director of special education to serve as substitutes for licensed staff members. Eligible employees as described above will be reimbursed for the application fee due to the Pelby due to due to Pellsby upon submission of their license. Um, if the eligible employee must incur additional expenses for fingerprinting fingerprinting, this fee will also be covered up to $25. uh when a current school district pair professional is approved to be assigned as a substitute for a licensed staff member on a day or days according to the terms of the ESC license that pair profession will be paid either at his or her usual usual hourly rate of pay plus $2 or $25 per hour whichever is greater. So with those uh provisions um with this resolution administration would ask for your approval. >> I entertain a motion. >> So moved. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second for approval. Is there any discussion? Member Christensen? >> I have a question. Uh Dr. Massie, has this been done before? Is this brand new? >> This would be new to the district and it's a new provision with the 2025 legislature. >> Oh yes, excuse me. Are other schools doing this? Other district? There are other districts that are pursuing this as well. And just to um add some more detail, we'd be leaning on pair professionals who work within a program, thinking of a setting three program that have great familiarity with the students and who are daily members of the team working with those students. When the teacher is absent, the paraprofessional would step into this role and kind of provide that lead instructor educator for the day of the absence, which because of the knowledge and familiarity of the pair professional in that situation, they're more valuable than a sub, a licensed teacher sub who may not have [snorts] knowledge of the students or the programming taken place on the program. I have a question too. >> Yes, member antennson. [clears throat] >> For this parah that's familiar stepping into the role of lead teacher in the room. >> Then do we get someone [clears throat] else in to be the parah role for that. >> So then the challenge is back filling the parah. >> Okay. >> And then it's a >> kind of a balancing act of where's the more critical need filling the parah or filling the teacher role. Mhm. >> I would also add that um the ultimate supervisor of that program during the school day is going to be the principal. >> So we it's not that we have um a situation where we have insufficient coverage in the room uh with a person who's got the license, the training that would come with that through the special education department would be well equipped to pro to provide ongoing and continued service for those students during the day. >> Yeah. And then does the parah that's stepping into this role for the day or however many days that the teacher is absent, do they get a bump in their pay for that day? >> Yep. They would they would get a bump of $2. >> Okay. >> On top of their wage or $25 per day, whichever per day, whichever is greater. >> Okay. >> Member [clears throat] Tyson. >> So I have a couple of questions. Dr. Massie. I mean, I'm glad to see this has been enacted. I think it's been a long time coming and years and years and years ago, I was in the early childhood special ed, and when you had a sub, it was a lot of work to get the sub and the children in the class and the routine all connected. So, I totally get it 100%. Does Palsby vet them or does the district vet them for I mean, do they need to have their undergrad or their bachelors? What are we seeing? >> Nope. They don't require Nope. That's what's unique about this. They don't require the the bachelors. If they had the bachelor, they would get the short call sublic' be covered that way. >> So, it's just whatever their qualifications are as a pair professional. >> Correct. >> That's great. >> And then I'm just looking at the $2 or 25 per hour, whichever is greater. Um, I mean, I don't know in my head how that compares to what a short call sub would make, but um, you must feel in Donna HR that that's adequate and fair. I mean, it's a big it's a big job for a day. >> It it is a big job. It certainly is a incentivized by a bump in pay. We have to be careful not to create a pay scale that's greater than right >> um a first year teacher for instance. So we got to kind of have the >> okay >> the the pay structure fit within the the structure of other positions. >> Okay. >> Very good. I'm all for it. >> Yeah. >> All right. Member Parker. >> No, I just I think this is great. We always know the shortfalls that we have in the classroom. So, do you feel like this is going to be wellreceived and you think it's going to be something that's going to be I mean is it going to go well opportunity? >> I think so. It's a it really is a great opportunity for parents that are interested in this. >> Okay. >> We certainly it's going to be elective. We're not going to of course force somebody to do this, >> right? >> Um and it'll be really used in limited situations that are confined to programs where paras are familiar with the students and the programming. >> Okay. uh Director Wilson will have a direct oversight of who is moving into that position and who is assigned in at any given time. >> Okay. >> It's great to see because I know there's always shortfalls and we can fill those those gaps that would be great. >> Y >> So Christian, >> so I know this just passed, but have we had some people doing this already? >> No. what what we have happening is when we don't we don't have a sub um we sometimes are running programs with with the pairs in the room and the principles playing an elevated role in supervision and monitoring and stepping in throughout the day. >> So this would just provide a much more consistent and um planful approach to covering an absent teacher position. And would these pair um would these pairs cover teachers in other situations or just only these? >> Only in this special education situation >> because I mean it it would be a bump in pay to member Tyson's point but um it would still be less than a sub >> and is that because they're not a licensed teacher or why? I mean I know we have to keep in the parameters. you said something about keeping it uh in the parameters of what a first year teacher would make, but this is a a substitute. >> You know, it's it's fairly comparable to our sub rate. I'm going to be pulling numbers out of memory here, and maybe Director Freriedman can help me here, but I think our substitutes are at 150 per day. >> So, on a six-hour day at $25, you can see the comparability. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> I pulled good numbers out of my mind, didn't I, Dr. Thank you. That's good. That's great news. >> All right. Do we have any other discussion? >> I I do have a question myself. Um does this resolution ever need to be renewed by the board or once we make this resolution is it perpetual? >> Uh it's my understanding that this would be ongoing and perpetual. >> Okay. In in that case then, especially when it it comes to point number five here in the resolution about uh compensation, the hourly rate plus $2 or $25 an hour, I would encourage um administration to get this worked into the appar professional agreement um for the next time it comes to the board uh just to make sure that we remain competitive with those numbers and we keep it in line. I see director Freriedman, you have a comment. It applies not only to the members of the the current paraprofessional bargaining unit uh where the CBA is effective. It also potentially applies to people who are not. So there are two pathways to this thing. One is being a current paraprofessional. The other one is being an AA degree with at least a year of experience somewhere. Um, so we need something in this resolution um that would address that if we're going to pay anything other than just straight up >> just the the teacher rate. We think that that that we can do that. Uh so that we um and it will be fairly fairly comparable to the two. >> Okay. Thank thank you. And you have it all worked out behind the scenes on how to handle the the HR questions. Uh >> best we can. We hope so. Okay. Great. That that was my only concern. Is there any other questions or comments here? >> I'd just like to hear how it's going. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Good. >> Get an update on >> Definitely provide an update. >> Director Wilson's writing this down in the back of her mind to bring an update to the board on how it's going. >> She'll be like, "Look, just look at us." >> All right. >> Okay. >> Okay. Member Clerk, will we please take a roll call? >> Yes. All right. Member Tyson, I. Member Christensen. >> I. Member Corkran >> I. >> Member Antonson votes I. Member Rebeline >> I. >> Member Castle >> I. >> The eyes have it. >> All right. Brings us right to 8.3 appointment of school district legal council. Dr. Massie. >> Uh thank you. Um at the last schoolboard meeting, the organizational meeting on January 8th, the board approved Heitzman and Wald uh Feice Law and Advocacy PLLC, Maslin LLP, and Jim Martin Law Firm as District Legal Council. In addition to those individuals or firms approved on January 8th, administration recommends your approval of Laura Tubs Booth from Ratwick Rosac and Maloney, Adam Fruden, Ratwick, Rosac, and Maloney, Alex Ivan from Kennedy and Graven, and Joseph Langel from Ratwick, Rosac, and Maloney. Each of these individuals um the first three uh Laura Tubs, Adam Fudin, Alex Ivan have primarily a specialty in [clears throat] the special education realm and provide guidance and counsel in special education legal matters. Joseph Langel has a great deal of experience with uh contracts and um legal matters with other government entities uh where we share public space roadways with the city of Forest Lake for instance working out those arrangements. Um Joseph Langel has been very helpful. So this provides some u much better coverage than the firms initially approved on January 8th in the special education realm. And of course on the contract side, there are a number of other names that I have shared with with the chair and with the board that would provide general legal counsel that I think still need further consideration. And administr you can expect administration to make a recommendation for additional lawyers who can provide general counsel legal guidance for the district at the next board meeting. With all of that, the administration would recommend your approval of the list presented here. >> Thank you, Dr. Massie. With that, I will move to approve >> to approve 83. >> Oh, >> sorry. Go ahead. >> That that will work. We have a motion. I'll second it. >> Any discussion? >> Member council. >> Uh, so curiously, there are individuals listed here, whereas all the other ones are the entire firm. So in this case they don't most firms would assign their staff to the issue at hand where we are specifically saying it must be these folks. >> Yeah. These firms that Rwick and Maloney and Kennedy and Graven that as firms were not approved at the last meeting or offered for approval at the last meeting. We've had a long-standing relationship. So we have developed relationships with individuals within those firms. So [snorts] we typically are going directly to individuals and have been because of the relationship that we have with those folks. Um that's true here as well that we've been going to Laura Tubs, Adam Fudin, Alex Ivan for different matters. Um Director Wilson has direct experience with all three of them. So, it's not a matter of calling the firm saying, "We got a question on this legal matter. Who would you recommend?" We go directly to the source when we know that they've got the specialty that will be helpful. If they were to transfer to another firm during the middle of the year, would we reassess that [snorts] person or just attempt to assign them with their new firm? If that were >> specifically, >> yeah, if that were to take place, I would envision I guess notifying the board for your awareness. So, you would see that on the board runs. Um, [snorts] if the board had the interest in reaffirming or um approving them, the board could make that decision or we'd just continue with the approval that would be granted here today. >> Yeah. And just for clarification, we have uh Laura Tubs Booth, Adam Fudin, and Alex Ivan are being approved this evening for special education matters, and Joseph Langel are being is being approved for contracts. Is that correct? >> That's her specialty area. >> I would I would venture to guess that um Laura Tubs and I don't have direct experience with these folks to the degree that uh director Dr. Wilson would. However, if they venture into more general counsel, if the matter stretches beyond special education, uh we'd certainly lean into them for that piece as well, but they're not general counsel kind of lawyers. They special specialize in special education. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh member Tyson, I >> Yeah. Well, I was just going to comment that Rottweak and Maloney have been around forever. They're a wellvetted firm from like 1985 or 87. But have these names appeared on our legal before? >> Okay. >> No. No. The the firms have been approved in the past. >> But these names >> and without the approval of the firms, I'm bringing these individuals forward >> versus without the approval of the whole firm and the lawyers working in the firm. Um, frankly, I'm suggesting to the board that we need legal counsel for special education matters. Right. >> These folks >> um are trusted and we've used over the years. >> Yeah. >> And at the very least, we we need we need coverage for legal >> legal counsel for special education matters. >> Absolutely. >> Member Christensen. >> So, just to be uh clear, Dr. Massie, our current uh legal general counsel is not on this list. The direct lawyer that we've been working with, >> I would say that um on the list above, Jim Martin is probably the most comprehensive and legal counsel, general legal counsel of anybody now on the list if these additional individuals are approved. And I would offer to the board that we are still short, if not vulnerable with with in in the area of of a need for general legal counsel. >> So, it's still a matter I believe that the board will need to address >> and we'll continue to u provide opportunities for the board to address that with names that that we could easily bring to the board for your approval. >> And that's just what I wanted to clarify. or a current general counselor that we've used the same lawyer for many number of years. She's not herself personally as some of these other names are listed. She is not listed on there. I'm just >> without approving Kennedy and Graven and Ratwick and Maloney as firms, >> those individuals would not be approved by the board. >> Right. And and to um to your point, we're still going to need to add someone with more specialty in general counsel. And how will that that you said at the next meeting you'll be [clears throat] >> bringing something forward for that? >> Yep. Yeah. That that member Christensen just added that that work is ongoing. Um, as our motion detailed two weeks ago, our goal there was to present it at the first February board meeting and we made a commitment to bring names earlier. So, this evening should that work uh be completed um just so the these attorneys were available to administration earlier. So, this does not conclude that work that uh we had the motion on two weeks ago. Um this is just a a stepping stone on that path to completion. >> Member Tyson. >> So one more quick question. Could so Rottw Rigac and Maloney they could provide general legal counsel for us. Correct. >> If the firm as a whole was approved, >> right? So they could be considered for the next meeting. >> Correct. >> Um yeah, there are Dr. Dr. Massie sent me a number of attorneys uh to look at. We identified special education as one of the top concerns. [clears throat] >> Okay. >> Which is why these names were brought uh forth earlier. I see Dr. Wilson nodding back there. So I um I would strongly encourage the board to to approve them. But I think I have four other names that I'm still working through a vetting and I think these names were >> Is the vice chair working on that with you? Um I don't I don't see her on this email, but there's absolutely no reason that she can't be involved. I I have been discussing this with her. >> Okay. >> So, um >> I'd be more comfortable if both of you were in the loop on that and >> and that was the uh that was the intent of the motion that we work together and >> um I know me >> I think the vice chair has seen the list as well. >> Okay. I have seen it. I know member Corkran's been working pretty hard on some of the superintendent uh uh search things and I've been working hard on the attorney things, but we have been working together um on these two matters. >> Okay. Yeah. Well, definitely immediately need this special ed coverage. So, move to approve A3. >> We do have a motion and a second on the table already. >> Okay. >> So, let's do it. >> The question is, do we have any other discussion? >> All right. Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. Those opposed. Okay. That motion carries. And that brings us to um 8.4 award Wyoming Elementary School bid. Uh Director Renbergy, [cough] [clears throat] thank you very much. Back on November 6th, I was in front of you asking permission to bid. Our Wyoming Elementary project for this summer again, we have some HVAC work going on. Uh the exterior rooms of the building were taken care of with the 2015 bond dollars. However, the middle was not attached to the new system. So that's the work that's being done. There's also some cosmetic work in the cafeteria and gym along with painting of the whole building that's going to happen and also lighting in the media center. So overall, uh the publishes uh notices were published in the Forest Lake Times December 4th and 11th. On January 13th, we opened the bid um with lots of biders. So um lots of work scopes, lots of biders. That's all attached in your packet. You can see we had at least three biders um and some words upwards of seven um biders in different things. So, a very good bid day for us. Overall, the project um ended up at just over $5.4 million. So, that is on budget. We're looking at overall about 7.5 million to go into that building. Um once you put in all of the associated costs with your architects, your construction managers, and all your soft costs that go along with that. So, with that, um administration would recommend approving, uh the award to bid each one of these contractors for the summer. >> All right. Do we have any questions before we move to a motion? >> Um I just have one question that we talked about this in December. I know. Uh when do you anticipate the work will start and be completed? >> Yep. [clears throat] It'll go um over the summer. So after school lets out, we do have to move our school age child care program that's typically at Wyoming Elementary. So that will move over to Columbus Elementary for this summer. Um so that they can have access to the entire building. It's really hard to work around different rooms that aren't available and everything. So much more efficient to uh just have the building not in use. So Corey McKinnon has worked well with us to get that accomplished and then it will be done by the start of school. >> Okay. And that that week earlier start uh >> yeah it'll be a problem. >> Nope. It will not be a problem at all. >> We're always up against >> a crunch time on these projects. But the idea is school starts on time. >> Yep. And lead time again approving this tonight. Um we feel have plenty of lead time to get everything ordered and make sure that it arrives in time. All right. Thank you. Any other questions? >> No, I was just going to say I'm glad it's it's ISG and Carl Anderson, too. Yes. I mean that they have they know our buildings. They're just always in the know. They've been through our BR, you know, the bond projects. So, it's nice to have consistency. >> So, yeah. Wonderful. >> Yep. >> All right. I will move to approve as presented. Second. I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All right. Seeing none, member clerk, please take the roll call. >> Okay. Member Rebeline >> I. >> Member Corkran >> I. >> Member Castle >> I. >> Member Antonson votes I. Member Christensen >> I. >> And member Tyson >> I. And the eyes have it. >> All right. Wonderful. Motion carries. That brings us to 8.6. Appointment vacant [clears throat] school board seat. >> Do we need to do the permission? >> I'm sorry. We're on 8.5. I made an extra check mark. Um, permission to bid technology. Director Renberg Idy. Thank you very much. Uh this is our third summer using -ate dollars. Uh and so we're here tonight to ask permission to post what's called a form 470 which allows again through the - process us to get um 60% federal funding for our technology and then 40% district. So a great revenue source for us. Um again third summer so just getting the rest of the buildings um done with again switches, battery backups, other things like that. um complete listing is available um from director Jacobson, but we did we plan to publish in the official newspaper of the Pioneer Press um on January 29th and 5th since it's a bid and then we'll have bid opening on February 23rd. So with that, uh administration will recommend approval for permission to bid. >> Move to approve. Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? I I do have one uh comment here. The process isn't part of the motion, so this isn't important, but I think the initial dates were set assuming only a weekly publication. So, we could um adjust those bid dates should you want to uh publish it earlier to kind of expedite that process. Just a point that I noticed there. Any discussion on this? >> All right, seeing none, member clerk, please take a roll call. >> Okay. Member Castle. I >> member Tyson >> I >> member Corkran >> I member Rebeline >> I >> member Antonson votes I member Christensen >> I >> and the eyes have it >> all right thank you to the board for keeping me on task here and not missing that now I have my check marks correct that does bring us to 86 8.6 Six is the appointment to the vacant school board seat. We've gone through this uh for a few months now. Um we have three remaining um applicants that we need to discuss this evening. Mr. Andy Cornier, Dr. Paul Peas, and Mrs. Princesa Hansen. Um last time we went through this list or last time we went through the list of applicants, we went alphabetically by last name. So this time I thought we would go alphabetically by first name. Um what I'm hoping to find here is that uh we see if we have enough uh board members with a consensus um on appointing the board member and if we do uh that would result in a resolution of appointment. So we'll start with uh Mr. Cornier. Um is there any discussion on the appointment of Mr. Cornier? >> Um I have some >> Yeah, member Tyson. Um, I've met with him a couple of times. Um, I've also spoke with people that he serves on committee with. Um, a lot of positive feedback there. Um, that he's a good listener, prag pragmatic thinker. Um I also have talked to him and I like what he says about he's talked a lot about how community um parents schoolboard we have to work together and I think that's just fits well with what the message and the work of a school board member is is that we all need to work together. Um I also think that all of the applicants have excellent credentials. I mean, all of them do and very impressive work and degrees. Um, active in the district as Andy is and the three of them are um serving in committees, sports, but um he just kind of rises to the top with me in terms of some of his STEM work, um his mentorship work, um just how he's been a leader with a comealong. I like what he talks about that I like to get people to come along. I don't like to be on them. I want them to come along as we talk and get to know each other. And I found that that has helped me to get to know him and understand his background better. Um so that's what I have to say about Andy. And so um they're all all three of them have kids in the district. I mean it's really a tough decision. These three candidates are all very well, but Andy Corna has bubbled to the top for me. >> All right. Thank you, Member Tyson. Anybody else have a Member Christensen? >> I would just also kind of like to second some of the things that Member Tyson said. Um, and we've discussed, you know, these candidates, I feel like, um, at length already. Um, but I agree. Uh, all three very qualified. Uh, I love it that they all three have kids in the district, are used to our buildings. They're in our buildings. they I mean you don't have to have kids in the district to be a good schoolboard member to be to be clear but you know I think it's helpful to be in the buildings and kind of know what's going on. So I think uh that is really important but I think um uh member chair how he did not assign uh one of uh one of the current board members to the policy committee because he was waiting to see or to the new vacancies. Uh Mrs. Hansen and um Mr. Carney are both on the policy committee and I know that was important to uh member chair that uh that that get appointed uh with one of the new members. So I think uh those two uh would f fill in in that regard. So >> all right thank you members. >> So they are both on the committee. >> Yes, they're both on the policy committee. That's nice. >> Um, so I've gotten to meet with Annie also um a couple times and I just like it like like they both said having children in the district. I said I I was that board member at one time and I said you just are so much more connected. You you're more you're more in the know what's going on at [clears throat] the schools. You're there and you get to get to know the parents better. I just I miss that. and I said that is really to me that's important for a school board member and I I do feel like I do miss that piece when I first started the board. Um he does have a collaborative way about him a really kind of an easygoing he is a very good listener and he's he's very excited about new opportunities and he he's just a very knowledgeable young young man. So I really enjoyed getting to meet to meet him and um he had such a passion for wanting to be on the board and to be more involved with the district. So that um was really a great meeting. So yeah, I really enjoyed meeting with him. >> All right. Thank you, Member Corker. >> Mhm. >> Anybody else? >> I'd like to echo some of those statements. I had an opportunity to meet with uh Mr. Cornier, Mr. Peas, and or Dr. Peas um and Mrs. Hansen. And I think all all three of them are really great people. >> For sure. Yeah, absolutely. Um, if we don't have any other discussion on Mr. Cornier, I'll propose a motion to adopt a resolution to appoint Mr. Cornier. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the on the motion of the resolution? All right. Uh, as we did before, um, I'll I'll read up the votes here. Um, we'll go in kind of anonymous order here. Uh, member Tyson, >> I. Member Antonson, >> no. >> Uh, member Corkran, >> I. >> Member Rebeline votes no. Member Castle, >> no. >> Member Christensen, >> I. >> Okay. Um, not having the requisite number of votes will bring us to uh Dr. Peas. Um, does anybody have any discussion or comments on Dr. Peas? No, >> I I mean >> member member Christ can go. >> I feel like the outcome is uh predained here, but um I would like to say um you know member or Dr. Peace uh he's been here, he has spoken. He has >> again uh kids in the district and he started up the middle school science club. I believe he's very involved. Um, again, we've talked about it uh at length and from the vote that we just took, I think, you know, we can see where this is going, so we may as well just >> Yeah, just vote. >> Just vote. Just get it get going here. >> Member Atinson, [clears throat] >> no. >> Nothing. >> Okay. I am I'm a little surprised by the comments myself. Um but uh if there's no other discussion on Dr. Peas, I'll make a motion to adopt a resolution to appoint Dr. Peas. >> Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> All right, seeing none. Um member Rebline votes no. Member Castle, >> no. >> Member Christensen, >> I. >> Member Tyson, >> I. >> Member Antonson, >> no. >> And member Corkran, >> I. >> Okay. The number of votes uh sufficient was not reached for member P or for Dr. Peas, which brings us to Mrs. Hansen. Is there any comments on Mrs. Hansen. Before we move to a resolution, >> I'd just like to say first of all before we do a last voting round here, I did also meet with all three people and I agree with what everyone at the table so far has said is that everyone has a great background, history, and willingness and um desire to serve. And I appreciated meeting with all of them. And I don't understand [clears throat] board member Christensen's comments about we know where this is going. I don't >> member Christensen >> if I could direct a question. Um if you just um just following up on what you just said member and you said they all have um you know seems like good applicants and they're involved and and but yet you're voting no. So, >> because we only get to vote on really the one we think that or none of them or the one that we think fits the best. So, >> so they're all really great candidates, but they just they don't fit [clears throat] for whatever reason. >> Are we done voting yet or aren't we doing one more here still? >> That's true. >> Go ahead. Was >> that Oh, I'm good. >> Okay. Any other discussion? Okay, I will move to adopt a resolution to appoint uh Mrs. Princessa Hansen. >> I will second that. >> Okay, we have a motion in a second. Is there any discussion on the motion? >> All right, seeing none. Um, member Corkran, >> no. >> Member Christensen, >> no. >> Member Antonson, I. >> Member Castle, >> I. Member Tyson. >> No. >> Um, member Eline I'll vote I. It doesn't matter. The sufficient number of votes not being obtained. We have no appointment this evening which um disposes of this item. Um, as noted on the agenda uh 8.7 was uh cancelled this evening. Bringing us to item 9.1 discussion on the strategic plan. We've had this on the agenda a few times. Um just a really quick recap, we um we met as a subcommittee. Oh gosh, all the way back in September, October, myself, member Christensen, and member Antinson. Um, we met in [clears throat] in the final meeting, we met with MSBA and they recommended that we do a uh board self- evaluation if I'm remembering the um the phrase of that correctly. Uh I was hoping we would have a another board member here appointed tonight, but uh I would recommend that we um direct administration to get that board self- evaluation scheduled with MSBA so that we can get that work uh moving forward. Um I'm this is just a a discussion period. There's no motion on the table at the moment, but uh I'd welcome input from other board members on that idea or if they have other ideas themselves. >> I think it's an excellent idea. We should get it scheduled. When are we thinking of like a second meeting of the month or >> I've been in conversation with Gail Gilman, most likely the person from MSBA who would facilitate the process. >> Uh she is really busy. >> Okay. I'll reach out to her right away and see when we can get this on her schedule and I will get that back to the board. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And and Dr. Mass, that point I want to ask if her schedule is extremely busy, maybe we entertain the idea of a special meeting. So, please be in touch with myself and member Corkran so we can have those discussions in the background. Um, but it it it seems like we have an interest in getting that scheduled. So, I'll make a motion to direct administration to reach out to MSBA and um start that process. >> I think you have >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on that? >> It sounds like the superintendent already has, but we're just going to continue that. >> Yeah, we got we have to make it official to actually get it scheduled. Gotcha. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yep. So, right now we've just been doing the prep work. >> Okay. Yeah, >> sounds good. >> All right, any other discussion? Okay, seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed. Okay, the motion carries brings us to item 9.2, the and this is a discussion, not an approval. Um motions to make amendments are in order on public participation in schoolboard meeting policy 1206. Dr. Massie. >> So, this was presented at the last school board meeting. At that time I raised a question regarding item uh 6A.1 on [snorts] page three of the policy in front of you. Um as I read it, I think the board agreed that there was some confusion uh regarding um what was being identified in that that item. Um, it calls for a person who wishes to have a subject discussed at a public school board meeting that they provide at least a week in advance notification to the board president or superintendent. And the question I raised was whether or not that was in reference to an agenda item or a public comment green card like we saw tonight. Um, I spoke with MSBA the and we're th this policy in front of you is largely an adoption of their model policy. So, in speaking with Terry Marorrow at MSBA, he clarified that the intent of that item was in in regards to agenda items, not public comment. So, I would propose that the board consider a modification to the language there that would read persons who wish to have and then we strike subject discuss at a public school board meeting um to read persons who wish to have a topic added to the school board agenda are encouraged to notify the board president. So with that that change and then the change also um previously noted in section 6A7 um regarding um comments made during board meetings >> uh with those changes administration uh does not recommending your approval tonight but asks that you consider that and we'll bring it for your approval at the next meeting. So I would move to amend the policy um with the language that Dr. Massie stated earlier uh concerning uh the clarification around the agenda item. >> Do I have a second? >> Say that again. >> Oh, so I would move to amend the policy >> to include the language that Dr. Massie presented to us earlier concerning item 6A1 about the agenda items. And we can have him re reread that too. >> Yes, please reread that. >> Yep. It would read persons who wish to have a topic added to the schoolboard agenda. >> That would be the new language striking the word subject subject discussed at a public school board meeting. We'll bring it forward with those changes reflected >> um >> on the policy. >> Yeah. In February, assuming there's a second and we adopt it. >> And you only wanted >> Thank you. >> And you only wanted to say I'm encouraged to notify the board president, not or superintendent. >> That's currently in the language. I'm just suggesting we strike subject discuss at a public schoolboard meeting, replacing that with topic added to the school board meeting. >> Okay. >> Agenda. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. I I think Dr. Massie and I discussed this a little bit in in the background here and I think it's a really good um addition. We did get the um public comment tonight on a green card about this exact item. So, I think it's timely. I mean, it is the way MSBA wrote it. This is obviously the intent because it's it falls under procedures, agenda items. This is a procedure for an agenda item. But, I mean, we we we've all been on the the school board for a number of years. We're looking at this going what does this mean? We're reaching out to uh MSBA to understand what it means. I think this brings great clarification and just makes the the intent of this much clearer and I would not be surprised if MSBA made the same adjustment in the model policy during their next revision. So, I would encourage we accept the amendment and then that will be the the proposal for approval at our next board meeting. >> I'll second the motion. >> Yeah, we we we had that from member Tyson earlier. Is there any other discussion on the amendment? >> Any questions? Do we want Dr. Massie to read that again before we move to a vote or are we comfortable? >> I'm good. >> Yeah. >> All right. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed. >> All right. That motion carries. Is there any additional discussion or amendments on this? >> Oh, not on the Well, on something else. >> Oh, on something else. Okay. Well, that brings us to uh adjourning. >> Yeah. So, can I do that before the adjournment? Uh, you have new business. >> Well, I just want to talk about the superintendent search. Can I can I >> um Yeah, we without objection. Um, >> no, I just wanted to say that I reached back out to Barb and I know you guys saw the additional um proposals. So, I did reach out to her to maybe reschedule. >> I just wanted to update you guys and I gave her some dates in the next couple weeks and she could do it virtually also. So, we have options. So, I just wanted to let you guys know. >> Okay, great. back. >> And I'll add to that too, that if we need to schedule a special meeting, myself [snorts] and member Cork, we're kind of working in the background to make sure that everybody's >> available >> and we have a notification requirements that we need to go through for the special meeting. So, um >> Yeah. >> Can I ask you a question? Did Sure. Did do you know what dates you gave her or you >> I gave her in the next couple weeks? >> Oh, just said the next couple weeks. >> I just kind of because I know Dr. after mass is going to be gone and and so but he said he wouldn't have to be at that if we did a special meeting >> and work around our schedules >> right and she's going to get back to me >> I'll let you guys know so if a board member >> let's say she can do it next week which is not great for me if things going on so >> the week after right I'm just telling you but if it's a special meeting and we're not voting on anything it's something I canformational only >> are we able to do that where we can watch a a meeting that we can see someone or hear them from a video. >> Yeah, you can watch, not participate. But if you want to participate, there's uh public notice requirements. >> Yeah. No, I'm just even talking about because if it's a special meeting and >> somebody can't make it, but she's going to do it virtually, would we be able to hear her >> watching the the We'd certainly do a live feed. >> Yeah. >> Okay. For sure. >> Yeah, we can talk about that. It just beformational, a discussion. It would be no voting. >> Okay. And I would also note that anytime we schedule a special meeting, the >> um the proposed agenda is concrete. There are no amendments to that. So what is on the proposed agenda is the only thing that can be discussed at those meetings. >> Right. >> Um one thing that I would add really quick since we're on this topic is member Corkran, you were able to get a couple of other proposals. Um, I would really love it if we could get at least one or both of them to present on that same evening to us >> and then we would have all of the information we need to make a decision after that. >> I can reach out to them. I'm sure >> I have reached out to a couple people from Exec Connect. >> Oh, yeah. >> We heard back from them on their experiences and some of them have had experiences with Exec Connect and MSBA. >> Okay. >> So, um, yeah, I think that would be a great idea. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I I like the idea of um virtual for listening to proposals and information. Um we can all be thinking about that, but I think it's just great to do a Zoom meeting or have them virtual and >> yeah, for that initial >> Yeah, especially for scheduling >> if that will make scheduling easier [cough] to accommodate that. >> Um I'd like to >> I'll figure that out. >> Yep. Thank you uh member Corkin for all the work that you've done on this. >> It's been instrumental in keeping the this [clears throat] to get going. >> Yes, for sure. Okay, with that, if there's no other new business, I'd entertain a motion to adjurnn. So, move >> a motion to second. Any discussion? Nope. >> Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. Those opposed. It's