Lake Elmo City Council — Transcript

Friday, October 24, 2025

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Lake Elmo EDA advances two downtown development proposals to final vote

Votes (4)

Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

Advanced to final vote, receiving 5 initial votes and 6 final votes in rank-choice tally.

The proposal aims to transform the fire station into 'Tap and Ladder,' a self-pour tap house and casual dining restaurant, and the parks building into 'Machete Cocina Mexicana,' a chef-driven Mexican restaurant. Key elements include preserving historic character, creating community gathering spaces, addressing parking needs (with flexibility for city ideas), and offering family-friendly amenities like a children's play area. The team highlighted their local ties, financial preparedness, and partnerships with local businesses. Discussions covered operating hours, building assessment (especially the parks building), ownership structures, and project timelines, with a focus on getting Tap and Ladder operational sooner.

Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

Advanced to final vote, receiving 3 initial votes and 4 final votes in rank-choice tally.

This proposal combines River Siren Brewing Company (preserving the fire station for a brewpub) with the Lake Elmo Village Commons development team (demolishing the parks building for a mixed-use residential and retail building). The vision emphasizes a vibrant, walkable village core, public realm improvements, and connecting Lake Elmo Avenue to Lions Park. The team highlighted their experience with community-focused breweries and urban design. Discussions raised concerns about managing craft beer market saturation, water usage for brewing, the proposed three-story height, and the viability of projected retail rents, with questions about the necessity of Tax Increment Financing (TIF) and its impact on affordability for local businesses.

Proposal C: Old Village Social

Eliminated in the first round of rank-choice voting, receiving 2 initial votes.

Old Village Social proposed transforming the fire station into a multi-use destination with a brick oven pizzeria, microbrewery/taproom, and a retro modern arcade. The parks building would be reimagined into an artist-designed indoor/outdoor mini golf attraction, inspired by Can Can Wonderland, with a flex public space connecting the two buildings. The concept aims for 'community fun for all ages and uniqueness.' Discussions revolved around the sustainability of a brewery in a changing market (which the applicant addressed by emphasizing their successful brewpub model), the confidence in assessing and potentially rebuilding the parks building, the operational hours and security of the mini golf, pricing, and the ability to draw sufficient population given Lake Elmo's density.

Recommendation for Development Proposal of Fire Station and Parks Building

Unanimously Approved

Dissent: None

Moved by EDA Member [01:05:40] · Seconded by EDA Member [01:05:46]

EDA members expressed gratitude for all three high-quality proposals, acknowledging the significant investment of time and effort by the applicants. They highlighted the shared values of community involvement, potential for economic invigoration, and the difficult choice presented by the strong contenders. Concerns included long-term sustainability and the integration of new businesses into the existing community fabric. The rank-choice voting process was detailed, leading to a clear winner.

Notable Quotes (14)

Downtown Lake Elmo currently lacks a true community focused dining hub. Our plan addresses this gap by creating two vibrant gathering places that offer great food, distinctive beverages, a year-round opportunities for connection.

Staff [00:01:46]
Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

Over and over again through community surveys and on social media, residents have said they do not want more housing in the old village core. They want more restaurants, more family oriented gathering spaces, and more parking downtown. Our plan answers those requests directly at the fire station.

Brian Height [00:06:50]
Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

The fire station's the engine of the whole whole project that's that's going to fuel and fund what else we do what else gets done there.

Brian Height [00:15:37]
Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

I think the fifth on that one, I guess.

Rob Clap [00:21:40]
Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

These cities like Lake Elmo represent places that have history with agricultural legacies, but also have a real downtown that represents a pretty rare uh a pretty rare um opportunity, which is to say a walkable town is really hard to to come by. And as we've discovered in our kind of, you know, really hitting the streets, getting to know the people here, this is a place that is really special and beloved to everyone in this community.

Kyle Huberty [00:27:03]
Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

When we transition to a brew pub model, we actually give up our ability in the state of Minnesota to do distribution. So, we won't be selling on liquor store shelves. We won't be um selling kegs to restaurants and things like that. We would happily walk away from that business.

Brian Carlson [00:36:24]
Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

Again, if it if it doesn't work and it doesn't financially viable for Lake Elmo then who's coming in there, right? Well, this is the the piece that for us is and I'm I'm you're rightly bringing up and it is an area for us that we're coming up with, you know, some of these uh what we can expect from higher returns on some of the residential can offset some of the costs and even in some ways subsidized, but the cost of new construction is is high.

EDA Member [00:43:08]
Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

Our concept of the Old Village social is really all about community fun for all ages and uniqueness. We really want to be able to capture and harness that charm of Lake Elmo and then people a place to enjoy and and celebrate with their friends and family. And we want it to be unlike any place else.

Regina Clap [00:48:20]
Proposal C: Old Village Social

Uh this is Rob Clap, uh owner of Eclective and St. Paul Brewing in Can Wonderland. Uh a very valid question and one that we've been studying and paying attention to for the last deeply in the last 12 months. And in fact, there's been an article se several months ago, but that talked about all these breweries that have been closing and they actually featured us because we were one of the few breweries that um not only were we not in at risk of going under, but we were thriving and exceeding year-over-year sales even this year alone. Can can or sorry, St. brewing is up 15% over last year.

Rob Clap [00:49:50]
Proposal C: Old Village Social

But then if things um are breaking down, then that's what that team is there. And and if you if you've been to St. Paul Brewing, you'll see that there's a passion uh for the decor and the ambiance and and it's not a normal expense that most restaurants would uh would endure. And it's just for me um it's really important that it creates that aha uh moment and and honestly it's u it's expensive but it's worth it.

Rob Clap [00:53:23]
Proposal C: Old Village Social

I do want to thank you all because you took the time. You all made investments to put this together. So, you need some kudos for that.

EDA Member [01:00:23]
Recommendation for Development Proposal of Fire Station and Parks Building

I encourage whoever wins to consider some of the interesting, you know, concepts from the other proposals and think of ways that you can incorporate them. to Jeff's point, like we're happy with all these and and they they all could have a life in our community and I wish I could blend them all together and, you know, double the size of the space and we'd have a heck of a downtown.

EDA Member [01:00:54]
Recommendation for Development Proposal of Fire Station and Parks Building

My biggest concern is what is the uh long-term sustainability of the businesses that are being proposed and how do they fit into uh into the town?

EDA Member [01:01:29]
Recommendation for Development Proposal of Fire Station and Parks Building

So the initial vote was five for Taff and Ladder, three for Lake Elmo Comments and two for OB Social and then when OB Social was eliminated the final is six for Tap and Ladder and four for Ellie Comments.

EDA Member [01:04:36]
Recommendation for Development Proposal of Fire Station and Parks Building

Ordinances & Resolutions (5)

Application proposal AOther

Proposal from Tap and Ladder / Machete team.

RFPOther

Request for Proposal issued by the city for the development site.

codeOrdinance

Refers to city ordinances regarding parking requirements in the village mixed-use district.

Proposal BOther

Proposal from River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons team.

ProposalOther

General reference to the submitted development plans.

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