Lake Elmo City Council — Transcript

Thursday, October 23, 2025

Redevelopment Proposals for Fire Station and Parks Building

Rank Choice Voting Procedure

Community Input and Economic Development Priorities

Votes (4)

Redevelopment Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

Recommended (6-4 final vote in rank choice voting)

Dissent: Lake Elmo Commons was the alternative selected by some members in the rank choice voting.

Brian and Amanda Height, in partnership with Julian Okampo, proposed transforming the Fire Station into 'Tap and Ladder' (a self-pour tap house and casual dining restaurant) and the Parks Building into 'Machete Cosina Mexicana' (a chef-driven Mexican restaurant). The proposal highlighted historic preservation, family-friendly amenities, and year-round community programming. Financial stability was demonstrated through commercial lender pre-approvals and private investment. Discussions covered operational hours (7 days/week), co-ownership structures, and their readiness to proceed without TIF if necessary, as well as their contingency plans for the Parks Building's condition.

Redevelopment Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

Not Recommended (4 votes in final rank choice voting)

This proposal from Brian Carlson (River Siren Brewing) and Kyle Huberty (St. Ter architecture and development team) aimed to preserve the Fire Station as a brew pub and replace the Parks Building with a mixed-use structure containing retail and 8-12 residential units. It featured a public promenade connecting Lake Elmo Avenue to Lions Park. Key discussion points included the viability of retail rents at projected rates, the reliance on Tax Increment Financing (TIF), River Siren's strategy for managing alcohol consumption trends by expanding non-alcoholic and spirit options, and concerns about water usage for brewing. The purchase price offer was $200,000.

Redevelopment Proposal C: Old Village Social

Eliminated in first round of rank choice voting (2 initial votes)

Regina and Rob Clap proposed transforming the Fire Station into a multi-use 'Old Village Social Hall' with a brick oven pizzeria, micro-brewery, tap room, and retro-modern arcade. The Parks Building would host an artist-designed indoor/outdoor mini-golf attraction, connected by a flexible public space featuring a playground and lawn games. Discussion points included the year-round viability and durability of the mini-golf course, strategies for securing the outdoor area, the brewery's success amidst declining alcohol consumption trends, and the project's ability to draw visitors from beyond Lake Elmo. The estimated buildout cost was $2.9 million.

EDA Recommendation to City Council for Redevelopment Proposal

Motion Passed Unanimously (Recommendation for Tap and Ladder)

Dissent: The recommendation was determined by a prior rank-choice vote of 6-4 for Tap and Ladder over Lake Elmo Commons, but the motion to forward this recommendation to the City Council passed unanimously among voting members.

Moved by Unknown [01:40:40] · Seconded by Unknown [01:40:55]

Following presentations and Q&A from all three finalist teams, EDA members expressed gratitude for the high quality and community focus of all proposals. A rank-choice vote was conducted, resulting in 'Tap and Ladder / Machete' being chosen as the recommended proposal. The EDA then voted unanimously to recommend this proposal to the City Council. Members encouraged unselected applicants to consider future opportunities within the community, acknowledging the strong appeal of all submitted ideas.

Notable Quotes (12)

What makes our proposal unique is that it's truly for Lake Elmo by Lake Elmo. Over and over again through community surveys and on social media, residents have said they do not want more housing in the old village core. They want more restaurants, more family oriented gathering spaces, and more parking downtown. Our plan answers those requests directly.

Brian Height [00:03:54]
Redevelopment Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

I think we're prepared to go ahead and move forward without that if we had to. But uh what I wanted to make clear in the response was there are options available and we would be happy to have those conversations with the city to figure out what might be available to utilize. And if the answer was no, um our financing, our investors and conversations with Julian, we're we're okay to proceed without that if we had to.

Brian Height [00:11:08]
Redevelopment Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

Yeah, we've in the discussions we've had with the various contractors we've talked to, it's about a six to eight month timeline once the purchase is finalized.

Brian Height [00:15:33]
Redevelopment Proposal A: Tap and Ladder / Machete

These cities like Lake Elmo represent places that have history with agricultural legacies, but also have a real downtown that represents a pretty rare uh a pretty rare um opportunity, which is to say a walkable town is really hard to to come by. And as we've discovered in our kind of, you know, really hitting the streets, getting to know the people here, this is a place that is really special and beloved to everyone in this community.

Kyle Huberty [00:33:04]
Redevelopment Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

When we transition to a brew pub model, we actually give up our ability in the state of Minnesota to do distribution. So, we won't be selling on liquor store shelves. We won't be um selling kegs to restaurants and things like that. We would happily walk away from that business.

Brian Carlson [00:46:27]
Redevelopment Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

My concern there and coming from my perspective is that's at 38 to 40 that's already much higher than any of the other existing retail spaces in Lake Elmo. So if we're going to bring in an outside business and I don't know where you're at in lighting those up are they local businesses or are they more regional or national businesses that can afford that have that bigger deeper pocket to get started.

Unknown [00:58:36]
Redevelopment Proposal B: River Siren Brewing / Lake Elmo Commons

We really want to be able to capture and harness that charm of Lake Elmo and then people a place to enjoy and and celebrate with their friends and family. And we want it to be unlike any place else. One of the things that really makes Can Wonderland and St. called brewing so popular is that it can't be replicated. It's it's one of a kind because of the space, because of the buildings, because of the locations. And that's one of the things that we want to bring to Lake Elmo and with Old Village social as well.

Regina Clap [01:16:47]
Redevelopment Proposal C: Old Village Social

So, we've we've dra dramatic dra uh drastically increased uh our revenue when we switch from that production model into that brew pub model and really making it more of a um a gathering space uh food beverage and beverages that that suit more than just a a beer lover's needs.

Rob Clap [01:17:59]
Redevelopment Proposal C: Old Village Social

Well, uh, the good news is for all of my companies, we we do the, um, extraordinary, and so we have a full-time fabrication shop, a full I have eight people that are employed in my fabrication shop. And so anytime things need repair, fixing, uh that's their job. And then we've also learned in the last almost 10 years that um we have to build things uh really really durable because uh kids are hard on on on these things and and so are uh so are adults.

Rob Clap [01:24:00]
Redevelopment Proposal C: Old Village Social

Every one of these applicants has something about involving the community. So in other words, you listened and I think the council and the EDA made it very clear and staff in in this process that we wanted applicants that are here not just to provide a service with customers and that's that's the lens I'm looking at it from like how is it helping the community and I have a bias. I am a resident with two kids and that's the lens I see it from.

Jeff [01:30:00]
EDA Recommendation to City Council for Redevelopment Proposal

I encourage whoever wins to consider some of the interesting, you know, concepts from the other proposals and think of ways that you can incorporate them. to Jeff's point, like we're happy with all these and and they they all could have a life in our community and I wish I could blend them all together and, you know, double the size of the space and we'd have a heck of a downtown.

Unknown [01:31:35]
EDA Recommendation to City Council for Redevelopment Proposal

I would also ask if you are not the one that eventually council goes with please come back with a similar proposal. We have many opport obviously there's only one fire station that's being sold off but please come back and continue your ideas for this community because that matters.

Unknown [01:32:45]
EDA Recommendation to City Council for Redevelopment Proposal

Ordinances & Resolutions (6)

Application Proposal AOther

The proposal submitted by Tap and Ladder / Machete.

RFPOther

The Request for Proposals issued by the city for the redevelopment opportunity.

Village Mixed-Use DistrictOther

A zoning district within which parking requirements may be waived according to city code.

Brew Pub LicensePermit

The type of liquor license River Siren Brewing would seek to allow for food service and a broader range of alcoholic beverages.

Tap Room LicensePermit

River Siren Brewing's current liquor license type in Stillwater, which restricts food service and other alcohol sales.

Tax Increment FinancingOther

A potential financial tool mentioned by River Siren Brewing and Lake Elmo Commons to offset development costs.

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