God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Can I have um motion to approve the agenda unless there's any changes that folks want to recommend? >> Motion to approve. >> I have a second. >> I'll second that. All in favor? >> I >> I. Any oppose? >> Right. Great. Uh, next order of business is approval of the minutes from January 14th, 2026. If everyone's had a chance to read those over beforehand. Um, does anyone want to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from January 14th, 2026. There a second. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? I. >> Any oppose? Great. Motion carried. And now we'll move to the High Point crossing revised concept plan. All right. Thank you. So, this project should be familiar to most commissioners. This was re reviewed a couple years ago. Um, the background information has stayed pretty much the same. The applicant is still Rachel Development. The property is owned by the Eberhard family. The property is zoned OPUB and Rural Residential. It is in the comp plan as RSF. The property is a little over 78 acres. Um, the past proposal that you reviewed was a 64 unit OPUD, which is smaller lots with larger common open space. Since that time, the developer has had to revise their concept due to issues with a community septic system. So, they are currently proposing an 18 unit residential estate development. So, that's cutting this project by 46 units. So, because they are changing the uh layout of the project, this warrants a second review by the parks commission. This is the latest concept before you. Again, it is 18 units. Residential estate is 2 and a half acres and larger. Um, and this development has city water and private septic systems. So to the north you'll have the Heights neighborhood which has Heights Park. The west is City of Oakdale. South is Tory Pines. Southeast is Park View Estates and Ridge Park. And to the east is Lake Elmo Park Reserve. As a reminder, for rural developments, the city can accept 5% physical land or cash and loo and then trails that meet requirements are eligible for park credit. In this case, that would be about $120,000 for park fund or 3.9 acres. In reviewing the 2040 comp plan, this parcel is not within a trail search corridor or park search corridor. So that's what those two images depict. And folding in the parks master plan, this area is not within a service gap area. So it's covered by those three parts. Moving on to findings, there are five of them. The first is that the property is not within a park search area in the 2040 comp plan. The second is that it's not within a trail search area in the 2040 comp plan. Third is that it's not in a gap area in the park's master plan. Fourth is that is is within one mile of three parks, regional park, neighborhood park, and uh natural area. And the fifth one is that since the developer is proposing large lots with room for independent recreation, um park might not not be needed in this case. And we are recommending the same motion as we did in 2023, which is cash in lie of land. And then I have an aerial here if we need it for discussion. The developer is not able to attend this evening, so I can stand for any questions. >> Thanks. Any questions for Sophia? >> Um just a quick question about the financial liability if we did take the sorry land in lie of cash. Do you know how much this would cost like the city per year to upkeep the land if we did take it? >> It depends on how you would program it. Um, with 3.9 acres, Adam, is there a park equivalent that >> um there's a lot of variation in what you could do with it, so it's hard to say. Any other questions? Someone want to propose a motion? >> I move that we recommend the acceptance of cash in lie of land based on the findings listed in the staff report. >> There is I'll second that. >> Any discussion? All right, let's call a vote. All in favor of moving to recommend the acceptance of cash in lie of land based on the findings listed in the staff report say I. >> I. >> I. >> Any oppose? Motion carried. Thank you, Sophia. Um, next we have the Washington County Regional Trail. Thank you. As part of our um our work plan for 2026, we do have in there um that we invite uh Washington County back to discuss future projects that we have going on within the community. So, um, uh, I have invited Connor and his team. Actually, Connor is not here today, but, uh, his team back to just represent, uh, what type, uh, our trail projects that'll be going on that the county has planned in their CIP going forward, as well as any projects that they have, not only in their regional parks, but also in the county as well. So, I'll turn it over to them. >> Well, good evening everyone. I will just do a quick introduction and then I'll hand it over to the people that actually know what they're talking about. My name is Bethany Cox. Um I'm Washington County Commissioner um for district three and Lake Elmo is right in the heart of district three. So I'm happy to be here today. Um we're just really grateful for your time um to discuss the Lake Elmo. I want to make sure I get this right. Lake Elmo to Failen Keller regional long range trail plan. It's quick. Um but as the county we move forward, we have a a pretty great process that we have and we just think that it's really vital for future recreation opportunities for our residents and communities. So, this upcoming plan is an opportunity to support that work and to to bring more people into the community here. This is going to be an east west multi-use paved trail. Um, so it's going to connect users to different locations in Lake Elmo, Oakdale, Maplewood, and St. Paul. And I promise she's got a great map to show this. Um, the trail is going to complement the existing and then the planned network, so things that aren't even quite here yet. um including the central greenway regional trail and other parks and trails in and around your lovely city. So um we conduct this trail plan in collaboration with local partners like you. Um and so we really do want your feedback. We want to hear what you're thinking as a resident, what your neighbors are saying about something like this. It really helps impact how these trails um work. So Miss Andrea next is going to provide the county's process um and answer questions that you might have. So thank you for having us here tonight. Thank you. >> You >> chair and commissioners. My name is Andrea Rim and I'm a planner at Washington County Public Works. Alex McKini, the Washington County Parks Director, is also here this evening. Um, and I'll echo the commissioner's thanks um for the opportunity to present tonight. I will begin my presentation with a quick overview of Washington County's park and trail system. um and then spend most of my time introducing the Lake Elmo to failing Keller Regional Trail long range plan. I will highlight a couple other projects upcoming um in the area and end with time for questions. The county's park and trail system includes more than 5,000 acres of parkland and 12 miles of regional trails, offering a variety of ways to discover and enjoy the outdoors. Recreational opportunities in this system um include camping, swimming, picnicking, boating, um other nature-based pursuits as well as trails for hiking, horseback riding, um crosscountry skiing, and other trail uses. Our system includes regional and county parks, park reserves, which are larger and have more of a conservation focus, and regional trails. Operating and maintaining our system is a team effort. We leverage resources and other departments and volunteers. And through our projects and partnerships and collaborations with other agencies, we strive to uh make sound investments that take care of the existing land and facilities that we have while also strategically planning for those future recreational opportunities. And that work is greatly appreciated by Washington County residents. Annually, our park system sees about two million annual visitors. Um, and the Washington county's by annual resident survey shows that residents um find that the park system is the top rated county service. Uh this evening our main focus is to introduce the Lake Elmo to Failen Keller regional trail long range plan which is a planning process kicking off this year. And we'd like to begin with a couple key definitions. The first is what is a regional trail? A regional trail is distinct from other types of trail in that its purpose is to serve a regional audience. meaning it must attract users from across cities and counties and connect regional destinations like state and county parks, downtowns, and things of that scale. For that reason, we often describe regional trails as the tree trunks or the highways of the um trail network or the the wider trail system. Regional trails are sort of like an arterial roadway that local trails can feed into. A regional trail also comes with an elevated experience um with higher amenities. The county's design standard wherever it's possible is a 10- foot paved trail with a 10-ft buffer from the road with amenities like trail heads, kiosk with interpretive opportunities, bike repair stations, and things of that nature. A long range plan then is the planning document that we will be putting together and it provides guidance on the future trail alignment as well as the location, development and operation of trail facilities. A long range plan has certain requirements set forth by the Metropolitan Council. Um, one of those is it that the plan addresses how the county will protect and enhance natural and cultural resources within the trail corridor. An example of that um in some of our past plans is identifying a part of the trail um where the buffer area might be planted uh with pollinator friendly um native plantings. Long range plans are also important because a proposed trail project must be consistent with an approved long range trail to receive certain grants and funding opportunities through the state or Met Council. Likewise, a regional trail with an approved long-range plan is eligible for yearly operations and maintenance reimbursements. And last but not least, uh a long range plan is an important opportunity because it allows the general public to the general public and local agencies to participate in the development of the regional trail system. That way, our partners and the public uh have a clear expectation of how the trail will develop and can make their own plans accordingly. One other key point about a long range plan is where it falls in the overall life s life um timeline of a a trail. And um this graphic represents that. A long range plan is often what we call a step zero. It's a highlevel plan that documents the vision for a future trail. And before that trail comes to fruition, you'll see that there are three additional phases that it will go through um including a feasibility study and preliminary design, final design, and then lastly, construction. Each of those phases also come with engagement with our local partners and the public. At this time, um preliminary design or feasibility study dollars are not programmed in the county CIP for this project. So that means in the next five years we do not have um that funding programmed um for this next step after this long range plan. For this long range plan we are looking at um a trail search area represented by the sort of green teal box you see on the slide. Our ultimate goal is to develop an east west arterial trail that links Lake Elmo, Oakdale, Maplewood, and St. Paul. Once fully developed, it will connect trail users to regional destinations, including the Central Greenway Regional Trail, Lake Elmo Park Reserve, and Failen and Keller Regional Parks in Ramsey County. The Washington County study um kicking off this year pertains to the eastern half of this trail corridor and a separate uh future study led by Ramsey County will determine the western half of this trail. So that split at the county line, they will um lead that future study in that lighter gray box. The Washington County portion of this trail will be approximately five miles long. Um, and it's important to note that a lot of existing um, parks and trails exist in this area as well as plans for future trails. Um, and the project team will continue to reference those plans and make sure we are prioritizing connectivity um, as we go through our process. This long range regional plan u effort is being set up with a three tier engagement structure. The first and smallest group um is project leadership or the project management team which includes myself and other representatives from Washington County Parks and Engineering as well as a consultant. This project man project management team will execute all the day-to-day work of this planning effort um and will act as the center of information for the other stakeholder groups. The second tier extends to include key stakeholders organized formally into a technical advisory committee. um other county staff, state and federal agencies, cities and townships, um representatives will fall into that group. The TAC is asked to weigh in at key milestones, offer their tech technical expertise, um and their local knowledge. The final and biggest tier um is engagement with the general public. Here we'll seek input from residents and trail users through popup events, open houses, and online engagement. This graphic um is attempting to represent uh the flow of decision- making and information through the layers in that decision- making um begins with project leadership and is filtered filtered through our technical advisory committee before information um or decisions reach the public. The reverse of is of that is also true. Information that we're gathering from the public, we will analyze with our technical advisory committee um and help influence decision making. As for the timeline of this long range planning process, the project team is just beginning to mobilize now um this winter and we will begin with visioning and site analysis. Come summer, our focus will be stakeholder engagement and data collection. In the fall and into next winter, we'll be working on route development um and evaluation. And ultimately, we aim to have a preferred route and a final draft of the long range plan to bring through our approvals process next summer. Um, before I wrap up my presentation, um, we did want to highlight a couple other upcoming Washington County projects in the area. Um, I'll begin by noting that um, our natural resources and maintenance staff will continue restoration projects and regular maintenance with work within Lake Elmo Park Reserve um, with activities like native seeding, seasonal burns, and invasive species removal. looking into our capital improvement plan. Some of those bigger projects in the coming years. Um in 2027, there will be a Lake Elmo Park Reserve single track trail phase one project. Final design process was completed in 2024 and 2025 for the construction of a single track system which will be implemented in two phases. The first phase will begin in 2027. Also in 2027, we will begin planning and design for Lake Elmo Park Reserve Pavilion facilities. That planning will look to um design improvements that may include updates to the bathrooms and septic, shelter facility updates, landscaping, and other parking and access improvements. construction for that project is anticipated in 2028. And then lastly, I did want to mention one road and bridge project um which is also in 2027 which will be a study of CASAW 14 from Lake Elmo Park Reserve to 39th Street. That analysis will look at the current and future needs to provide a vision and guide improvement opportunities for that growing corridor. And I note it here because u an important part of that will be considering the implementation of the central greenway regional trail through that area. And with that I am happy to stand for any questions. So, those are two different things, the 39th Street study and the North South Greenway, right? Somebody came in here and talked to us about the North South Greenway. >> Um, so the the study is is being conducted by some folks on our design team for road and bridge projects. There is a segment of the Central Greenway Regional Trail Longrange Plan that goes through that corridor. So there will be a little bit of overlap in those topic areas. >> Yep. Thank you. >> And could you just um remind us a little bit about the sequencing between this proposed long range plan going east west and the central greenway going north south. >> Yeah. So the central greenway master plan um was approved um and has segments that are yet to be built. Um we will continue to work on implementing those segments. Simultaneously we'll begin planning for this east west. Um oftentimes as the county is implementing these regional trails we look for opportunities to do it um incrementally. So if we have a project that we can have some sort of efficiency and lump certain segments of the trail construction in um we will do that. So the order of them is um not particularly linear one before the other. >> The question is do they cross? Is that the plan? >> They Yes. Since they're both going through Lake Elmo Park, >> it would seem to be that the East West Trail and the North South Trail would in fact meet. >> That's the concept. >> Chair and Commissioner, yes, they the intent is that they will intersect at some point >> at some point somewhere, but they would intersect. Okay. >> You had mentioned kind of general public engagement um kind of during that summertime. How do you see that playing out for the kind of Lake Elmo events or how what's your strategy for kind of those those pop up of events and those things that you talked about specific to um the Lake Elmo? >> Uh chair and commissioner, we are still working on the details of our public involvement plan, but typically we will um after we've formed our technical advisory committee, we will seek different events that we can attend. Um, so we'll look to LEGO staff for suggestions and also um other community groups on on things that we can sort of tack on where people are already gathering. Um, we don't have any official dates or things locked in yet, but as those things are scheduled, we will have a project website where we'll post um which opportunities we'll be at and materials will also be online. you foresee a cost share with the community and if so like maybe based off history the percentage that maybe uh past uh communities haven't been asked to contribute. >> Uh chair and commissioner the the cost share policy as it exists today um is 5050 for the original implementation of a trail. Um, we do recognize that that is a a big lift, a big expense, and so as a county, we do what we can to uh seek out grants and other funding opportunities to bring down that uh cost burden. >> Thank you. One more question. Do you have any idea on what Ramsey County's timeline is for the more western section of this proposed trail? >> Chair and Commissioner, um we did reach out before this um project was launched and they did not yet have a date determined for when they'll be leading their study. >> Okay. Is this similar to the uh bike plan that's south of 94 going from Woodbury to Afton? >> Chair and Commissioner, this is a also Yes. a regional trail um sort of it'll be the parallel farther north. Yes. >> Is that on the same timeline or is that ahead of this one? >> The uh Battle Creek to St. Croy River Regional Trail which will be from um Afton to Woodbury is already underway and we are in that process um narrowing in on a route recommendation. So a little bit farther ahead than this one. Thank you. >> I don't I know you don't know the timeline for Ramsey County, but obviously you've had some discussions with them because you know what's where it's heading, right, >> chair and commissioner? Yes. And uh Ramsey County staff will also serve on our technical advisory committee um so we can ensure ensure that what we um come up with um sets them up for success in their planning process as well. I have another question. So in if you know it or not in Ramsey County then this would be a path different than the one is that is now south of 36 >> bike trail hiking trail >> the gateway >> chair and commissioner um likely yes um when we are planning these regional trails sometimes we will dual designate a trail to sort of serve both purposes. Um, at this point I would imagine it will be a separate from the gateway. >> Thank you. >> Well, I'm super excited to yeah have seen this presentation today. I think that um it's really helpful for us to keep tabs on what you're thinking about because trail connectivity is a huge issue for or it's it's a huge priority that we think about here. So, it's really great to see this um and it would be really exciting if this could move along um you know somewhat as quickly as one of these big concepts uh can move. Yeah, I think it's important especially if there's a funding component that we need to keep our eyes on for, you know, because you said there's a gap between obviously the study and you don't have funding secured for design. So that that timeline we just got to keep if that's three years, five years, I think you said five, you know, that's kind of good for us to keep on our radar. >> Sure. Commissioner, yes, we often make that that point um just to give folks the heads up and so that we can plan together as um opportunities present themselves. >> Any other questions or discussion? >> I think it looks like an exciting idea. >> Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And thanks everyone else for coming to support as well. Our next agenda item is the Ridge Park concept design. Thank you. Um in October the staff uh presented two uh separate concept plans that were prepared by uh Bolton and Mink uh for Ridge Park. Um initiatives from the park's master plan were integrated with the strategic vision that accommodated future growth and phase implementation. Several community members were in attendance at the meeting to provide input and feedback on the concepts. Overall concerns from the public were the large uh rendering and changes throughout the park and the potential noise that could occur from users. Attendees also supported future improvements, but were also concerned about the toll and the changes that it might make to their community. Commissioners provided feedback that were um that were interested in seeing other amenities that could be used in the park place uh in replace of the ball field or the soccer fields. In addition, commissioners were interested in other amenities that might fit into the park that the city currently doesn't have. And I think many um some of that may have came from direction from the city council as well from our from our meetings. So, um so one of the so I did bring back so I'm bringing back a a third concept plan. U this is kind of again just a rendering of the the first two plans. Um this brings back some accessibility um environmental impacts. uh trying to keep it more natural uh um and um while implementing some neighborhood impacts of like just keeping things a little more uh lowkey like we said talked about the noise maybe not implementing the um future of a you know pickleball court something like that um but also keeping engaging this public space for all users right so I think the one of the last comments from that evening was is it is still a city park right So we still have that implementation of uh of making sure that we provide green space uh and a park for um not only community members right around the park but also for the other residents of the city. So just some renderings of this and we'll zoom in a little bit and just talk about some of the things that we talked about. Um just number one here. I think that was a kind of a large conversation was just on our our area of our parking lot. Right. So we did shorten up and make this parking lot a lot smaller. Um, I intentionally I would probably make it a little bit more smaller, maybe even eliminate these cars on the back side, right? And just have 10 to 12 spots up here in the front, very similar to what we might have at Deontraville Park. Um, the purpose of that would be is that just to make this park or sorry, the parking lot expandable for the future. It's designed for an in and out. You can extend to the north or sorry to the east and west as well as you can to those um this this section here that I initially eliminated. Right. So, um, an expandable parking lot that, you know, potentially could be set up as maybe gravel to begin with and then patunimus, uh, later on as we expand. But as we implement maybe some phases of this park, uh, that's where we could implement, um, some extension of this parking lot. Moving around number two, they did expand just or move just uh to the I guess you could say the east a little bit that uh playground set. Um did make it a little bit bigger than the initial plan. Uh mainly because of the 80% of people from those respondents from our from our survey did did want the playground replaced and I think that's a conversation where this generally started. Right. So we did have that conversation last month that doesn't meet that criteria. I kind of threw that out of the way for the concept plan of of looking at like this is where it would be if we would move forward. Um you know that I plan to bring back um uh the playground aspect of this and really dive down through those four points that we talked about last month doesn't meet or and if it doesn't we move on to that next phase like what else could we implement there? So did include this in there for that purpose. Number three was the pavilion. Although we knew through those survey results that that uh pavilion probably um was less likely um requested by the uh the community members. I think that was something that has been in not only a parks master plan but also from um from the members here at the parks commission is provide a shelter for users at our park but to also provide a place of resting or people to use or rent when they do go to the park. So, um, again, that was one feature I had asked to have them keep in because that was something in our park, not only our CIP, but our planning as well as we go forward with our parks. Um, number four, we did I did have them exclude the basketball court. That was kind of under question and I think initially when you put that in there, that was just kind of a maybe a placeholder, I guess you could say, uh, for that area. If you look at the renderings on the on and the above um this is a a very large space I would say for the concept of any future amenities. Some of the things that they put in there was a future ice rink. Right. So we you know but then we can use our imagination in this as far as some of those things that we not only our parks master plan is mentioned but also what might come back from citizen users at a second phase when we do maybe do a survey the second go around. Right. So, um, an ice rink, if it's a skate park, if it's, um, you know, just, uh, maybe a potential open space of of a fitness park, just things like that. I think I'm trying to think what else they had mentioned in that quick. Uh, including tennis, basketball, fitness court, ice skating rink, skate park, basketball court, and other uses. So, um really looked at a hard surface um user friendly area for that. Number five, we added some general um some not a general consensus. I'll say that for that for that large green space. Uh we had some concerns from the community about um the number of soccer fields you put in there. We had some questions back from the community members that uh about the baseball field. Uh we had uh commissioners say we we need another baseball field even though we'll have this uh we could potentially have a uh a complex but that might be uh greatly used by our our associations or maybe our more athletic groups right and so this would still be used as maybe a te-ball field and that's what I think maybe one of the commissioners or several of the commissioners agreed on is that we still in need of a baseball field maybe they're for the the the little league the youth groups uh still a practice and still to enjoy So, uh, number five, um, I did have him open that up and he just put a football field in there as just I think he put, uh, in his notes he he notes, uh, just as a, um, a scale, right? So, um, this is a large open green space. Um, many times people just use this as, uh, not Frisbee golf, but just as a f open frisbee field. Um, this park is heavily used by walkers and their dogs. Um, that's in our dog park. That's probably our biggest user is that open space at the bottom of the dog park. Um there is a a rack of tennis balls there and 90% of the people are down there throwing balls to the dogs at that dog park. So a great area of this use of there, but also a great area for expansion in the future when we do look at maybe the development of that number four. We look at that development number five as saying maybe not the baseball field now, maybe not the soccer fields now, but in the future, what could that be? Uh maybe the next um maybe the next event that comes that isn't as loud as pickle ball uh will be the next rendering for that area as we move along. Uh number six and number seven uh is that general space where that uh playground sits right now. We know that's kind of a lower wet area with a burm that kind of tries to extract that out of there. But we even though um you know that it's kind of sloped for the water to extract out of there. Um just kind of making that nature trail with a bridge possibly aspect of that uh using those areas to make more of a nature space of uh native grasses, native flowers. Um and using that number seven that he uh refers to it as a um a node where those uh parking trails meet. uh maybe a potential for that pavilion or a shelter to be there as kind of just a resting spot, right? To enjoy uh nature, enjoy the birds uh that we heard about at that last meeting. Um just listening to nature. Um that's the biggest concept of that area is just um not not a whole lot going on, but um just being able to uh utilize that space and enjoy what's uh what this park has to offer. um questions I'll come back to number eight but um our trail system in through here um is is hasn't really changed much um he did leave um two aspects of it some of it asphalt some of it uh just our gravel and nature trails I think in the highle concept of it you would probably just leave it all the to the normal gravel nature or grass trails and not change much of it um you know as in the initial concept of it keep the native grasses and keep a mode trail around there for people to walk people to walk their dogs um you know in in big in big scope uh you could look at rendering that asphalt trail for mobility accessibility if you'd add more features in this park uh uh down the road moving back to number eight um one of the things that was mentioned at the last meeting was to maybe implement something that we don't have in our parks currently and maybe just bring back some uh a concept that um would be uh make this park more usable for uh someone to attract them to. Right. And so disc golf is kind of um more of a a sport that's um that's getting bigger and bigger. Um he did implement a nine course um uh disc golf track in here. Um one of the concerns that someone might say is that um these frisbes are going to end up in people's yards um in the you know in spaces where they shouldn't be. Um the designer actually from Boulderm says these he's done many of these and has had very little to minimal concern for that. people that do use it are do know what they or play for play for a reason or play for uh play the sport normally. Um and so you don't really see that those frisbees going off into other yards like um very similar to maybe a comment that we had uh from the baseball um baseball field, right? We we did have a comment at the last meeting about balls ending up at people's yards and things like that. I'm not saying that it's not going to happen, but this park does offer space for um this type of rendering to offer a feature at a park that we currently don't already don't have. One thing, one the one other thing was is that in rendering of this um you know in the in just in the few small projects that that you could render this with over 40 new trees could be planted just to go around some of the new um new things that we'd implement. The parking lot, the pavilion, the uh the playground, the trails, the bridge. Um, and that's I think is one aspect that our parks commission has been uh pushing for is just to add more add more trees to our parks uh add more shade um for future growth of that. With that, I'll take um any questions on on the rendering of this. Again, um the purpose of this is maybe to take that um that first um that first concept, this concept, collaborate these things together for future discussions, for future conversations um to implement maybe uh phases of this going forward. >> Thanks, Adam. I'll start with a question. Uh it seems like there's a lot of proposed uh changes that would be need needed to the topography of the site to make this kind of work. Do you have any idea on what the cost of that might look like and where you might put that for sequencing or is it potentially less than I'm imagining it might be? No, there is so between if you just look at the picture here between number seven where that uh that trail node is and let's just say the parking lot there, right? So yes, there is a a very different topography there. You have the big burmer where number seven is um but ultimately flat through number five, but right where you hit the 1010 mark, it does slope off back down to that that parking lot. So I think you know um you know general cost I do not have a number. Um but in in in hindsight um it's not to extent where you'd have to I don't think you'd have to you know move dirt from one side of the park all the way to the other to get rid of it. So it could be it could be used within its its own space. >> Okay. Okay. Great. and the requirements for the natural area that this is part of >> the requirements. Oh, >> so yeah, we would like again as I know it isn't the last one, we would have to bring that third party in to for those types of discussions, right? So, uh much of those things like as far as the Batuminous um uh parking lot, Batuminous Trail, if we go that route, those are things that would have to be discussed with them. Even the shelter in general um would have to have uh would have to have um approval from them as well. I don't rec I like the idea of shade and I know we talked about is this a park where we rent out a pavilion or my thought was if it's we're not going to it's not if it's not rentable would we want that shelter closer to the playground or some more added shade closer to that that amenity? Yeah, I think as we went through the the um just our renewal process last fall, we did look at some of the those pavilions and said that we should look at future renting of of majority of them. Um because right now I think we don't we rent two of them, right? We have reservable two of them. So as we do put these implement these in there, I think we're we're looking at implementing them into parks where we could make them reservable. So >> I guess I would then just like to see when that if the playground that there's some shade component closer to that in in add possibly in addition because I think we hear that a lot about lack of shade. >> Um if um families at the playground um my other comment I know you mentioned you know disc golf and neighbors yards. I I like I like the concept of more of a passive activity in here. Um, I do struggle with the holes overlapping going over the trails. I think that's a safety issue. >> You'd have users throwing over where potentially walkers are going to go through some, you know, it's crossing one, two, three, four spots. Some of the natural and some of the hardc court. So, that's a little that would be a little concerning to me. But I like I like I mean I like the idea, >> you know, if that were something that we look at in the future, we would invite in um actually someone who designs those. So that would go into um like a design mode for that, you know. um that asphalt, the patuminous trail on the backside that currently isn't there now. So, you know, if it's just a nature trail, it could definitely uh change the scopes of both that I think it's hole nine and hole eight so that they wouldn't cross that as well through design uh with that um um Frisbee golf design. Other questions um or discussion. And Adam, just to clarify, you're not looking for a recommendation here. Just correct items to bring back. >> Did we want to get input? >> Yeah. Are you here for do you have public comment forms? >> Okay, perfect. >> Um, >> so, uh, we live where >> Sorry, one sec. Um, >> sorry. >> Can I please have you, uh, state your name and your address? >> Sure. And um if you could limit yourself to uh six minutes, that would be great. >> Won't even be that long. >> Okay, perfect. >> Fanny, 1694 Ivory Avenue North. Um may I touch >> your computer? So I don't know if you can see the mouse. I live right there. Um I was here in October. Um I just want to start off by saying thank you. Um a number of my neighbors were here. Um, this new updated plan definitely took into some uh into effect some of the feedback that we provided. So, I want to say thank you for that. Literally, the only thing that's a slight concern, and you already addressed it by potentially uh minimizing the amount of the parking lot spots, is the traffic that is already in existence. Like, because there's not a stop sign here or there uh or um sorry, not there um or over here. So getting in and out of the neighborhood can sometimes be a challenge without the heavy usage of the park. So if we add a bunch of parking um and then we increase the usage, that'd be the only thing that I haven't really quite heard. But if you narrow the amount of the parking, then that kind of is a limiting factor. Otherwise, everything else looks like you've definitely taken some of our feedback in. I really appreciate it. So thank you. >> Are there any questions? No, but we appreciate your comments. Really helped us. >> Yeah. >> From the last one. >> Yeah. >> Just with that the the first presentation on the new development that's going in and then the Tory Pines. There is a fair amount of traffic there on Inwood. So, >> um >> Cool. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for coming. >> Maybe even a new trail. Yeah, exactly. Um, Adam, do you have a a a ballpark number of how big the current parking lot is? How many vehicles right now? I mean, I know it's kind of like 32 car. >> Uh, the current one, you know, it's just a gravel access in there. And I would say, uh, currently, >> um, you know, it was expanded. Um, you might be able to I I could say safely pull in and park eight cars, you know. >> Okay. >> It's a field and a >> Yeah. >> gravel. >> It's an adventure. >> So, I think in the past you may have been able to squeeze four of them up there right as you drove straight in next to the porta potty, but they expanded towards Inwood a little bit just downward. Um, so people pull in and kind of make a 90 to park. So, But I do like having some parking there because, you know, I don't even know if you can park on the street there, but I do like having some parking there. >> Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, this is this is going this park is going to serve High Point, which we just uh talked about. There's vacant land to the west immediately. There's vacant land to the south. This is going to be a park and and having internal parking is much preferable to having street parking, I'm assuming, for the residents as well. It looks right right now there's 32 parking spots. I don't know if that's that's it could certainly be cut in half. I if we don't have it I mean it depends on long term if there's if and there's ball a ball field that would go in there that could be reservable then maybe we'd need more. as the plan is. Now, I guess my feedback would be that we wouldn't need 32 parking spots. >> No, I and like I said, I think you'd make this um right where that number one is. I think 10 to 12 parking spot is more than capable enough of serving, you know, any future, you know, playground set that we put there and the green open space that's left there. Right. So, um, besides our current playground, a baseball field that I think many of the commissioners said might be minimally used at this point in time, um, 10 to 12 parking spot. >> De Montreville is I think Deontraville is about like that, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> De Wildlife up on top of the hill might even be less. That might even be five or six. >> Right. >> The only other feedback I have is to to echo you. I think that I'm surprised to to hear that there was uh somebody with experience with the disc golf because I'm very surprised to see those routes go across paths. I I play disc golf um regularly and I don't know that I've ever seen something exist like that. So >> close to the tea. I don't know. >> Yeah. No, you wouldn't. It it's it's it would not be safe. You would have no idea that that thing was coming. Yeah. If you if you were walking >> required to say four, right? >> Exactly. >> I don't know. I I don't play this. >> And you're required to duck. >> I don't know. I regular golf. Yeah. But not >> But yeah, future design. I my input would just be to balance uh folk the walking area for folks that don't want to be involved in disc golf. But there there should be a way to design that. Um, >> yeah, without crossing. >> Mhm. >> And it wouldn't have to necessarily be I mean nine holes would be ideal, but it it could be six holes. It could, you know, it's not intended to be >> competitive disc golf. You know, it's not a championship 18. It's not a nine. You know, it wouldn't have to be. I I do think the addition of disc golf and especially the uh boardwalk I think it definitely creates some novelty in the lake parks in the lake parks um collection. So I think it I think they're good additions still >> I like the disc golf and still maintaining a lot of the trees and the nature walk and and then having the options later to add other amenities. I think that's a plus not deciding on everything right now seeing like you say something else might come up in popularity right now >> a ton of pickle ball courts >> well and that with that use we just talked about amongst the neighborhoods if we find that the parking is heavily used by that you know again maybe then you decide not to your point Peter if you once you build an association use or athletic use that might change the scope of that parking could and whether we want that or or not. But if you if you build I mean if you do build a nice field, you're going to want we'd probably want those groups to be able to use it. >> One more question for you, Adam. Um, is there I mean, not that I'm suggesting that this would be a component of this, but there is there a minimum trail distance that the city needs in order to consider grooming trails in the winter or adding it to the ski grant application or anything like that? Um, and were you thinking about that at all with this concept? >> No. Um, no. There isn't a um a rule or a size of park that it needs to be in. Um, would this park be eligible for uh the grooming trail grant? Definitely. It would be out of the question. >> Okay. Would the bridge component uh be a hindrance to that for the grooming equipment? >> Uh, we could currently have a bridge in our Reed Park that we're able to go around in in the winter. I mean, normally when uh when those areas um we have in in Ridge Park, there's exactly the kind of the same walking bridge over a low um low area that's swampy on both sides. And yeah, no, we groom right next to it. >> Okay. Any other discussion or comments, questions? I think this is super exciting. Thanks, Adam. >> Thanks for incorporating all of this, all the feedback. >> Okay, thank you. We'll move on to communications and update since we thank you for your public comment as well. >> Yeah. So, just a few things. Um, our parking or ice rink uh has been closed just due to the warm weather and rain that we expected to get. Um, our sledding hills were very popular over the winter uh as always in up into Montreville and Tablin. So, we continue to use that and continue to um um understand that we don't um promote those just for a safety reason uh as far as insurance and things like that, but they are very heavily used by community. We have them noted in our um not only on our web page, but also in our parks master plan as well that we do have those as part of our park system. Um, going forward, I do ask that the commissioners maybe take a a walk or um um a walk or walk through Ridge Park and Tablin Park maybe before our next parks commission meeting. Do plan to bring both of those back as far as just to review, maybe get some ideas as far as concepts for what you would like if our playgrounds meet our standards for replacement. So, some of those things that do do we need a slide? Do we need a swing? Oh, do we want a um fitness park instead of um or I think a la at the last one somebody wanted a fire pole thing right to slide down. So just some of those things to bring back of what what are interests at some of these parks for our potential playgrounds if they meet that those criteria. Also going forward we will start beginning to work on our Lions Park master plan concept. Again, that was brought forth from um commission members. As far as that being in our parks master plan as we bring that concept, uh if those prices do exceed what we have in our budget, we might have to push that out to 2027. However, we'll continue um uh forward with uh giving a couple different opinions from different vendors on that uh to make a concept plan for Alliance Park before we make any future CIP adjustments uh for that park. Um I did speak with our vendor as far as our Lions Park playground. Uh they are we got two options. We got as early as um and do it as early as April or we can do it that first few weeks of June. So uh just depending on staff and staff availability uh public works staff being able to remove what we currently have. Uh we're likely looking at that June date. Um but uh that could be coming um soon for our residents of Lake >> and that would be done before the 4th. >> Yeah. Yep. We could probably get that before the 4th of July. >> Cool. >> Um, that's all I have unless there's any questions on current park activities. >> No. >> All right. Hearing none, could I please have a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> I move to adjourn our meeting. >> Second. Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I. >> Any oppose? >> All right.