basically hopefully automatic customer I can't get there I'll go online call to order the Lakeland Shores city council meeting of November 3rd 2022 at approximately 6 33 in the evening Kim would you take roll call please here councilmember Wilson here council member Hatton your acting mayor Bishop here um would you all join me for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you the first item of business is to adopt the agenda I move that uh we adopt this agendas or second I second the motion all in favor aye number two would be the consent agenda which is to approve the monthly claims as well as approve the minutes from September 1st 2022 City Council meeting minutes is there any discussion about the consent agenda would somebody like to make a motion I make a motion we uh prove the consent agenda oh second it all in favor all right uh is there anybody here that wishes to make public comments on anything other than the conditional use permit uh for the roofing company oh okay good uh four would be the um unfinished in new business is there any particular order I mean it's the fire department's something we should do first or not necessarily not necessarily if you would like to do that you certainly can yeah um well let's do the public hearing uh consideration of resolution number 2022-09 conditionally use permit application roofing company 145 and 143 Saint Croix Trails South who used to be the old Shores Auto um and I believe that there's somebody here from that company I assume good would you mind going up to the podium there and just sign your name and and say who you are just the basic facts yeah okay I'm Matt lerzak I'm the owner of midi restoration um bought the buildings a couple months ago been in business for 2018 had a partner split up now Own It single-handedly by myself with my family my wife my mother is a part of the business and we have to managers here that'll be helping run the operations on day-to-day just give a general description as to what what your business is if we handle a lot of Storm Restoration work so hail work and then retail Roofing we also do about a 50 50 mixture between commercial and residential and at that particular location can you just describe generally how you envision using it uh just for offices primarily for the office staff for the production team to be able to order product and the people that are there on a desk every day running the operation site um either be a sales meeting maybe once a week and how often do the retail if you want to call them that customers show up at your place not very often I have an office now on 394 in Louisiana and I'd say once every 90 days we get a customer that comes in to actually look at stuff and that was part of the reason of actually moving out of that space because it doesn't didn't pay to have a a retail Center so to speak we had a showroom set up with 303 000 square feet a 7 000 square foot office and I just rent was ridiculous and made no sense because nobody came in it was just office staff so just uh not to slow on the uptake here but I just kind of curious I mean we've had obviously a lot of hail damage around here recently due to a storm that came through in the middle of May and you know we were besieged I don't think there's any of us that didn't have at least two to four people show up at our front door asking to climb up on a roof and you know tell us how much we've been armed by the hailstorm and as far as I can figure out uh you know it didn't make any difference I guess we've all been harmed by it but it just seemed like everybody got a new roof that that asked for one okay at least in the immediate area of Lakeland Shores and a few other surrounding communities so how do you go about is that your method of obtaining business you know uh nope four million came off retail and referral basis and ads that are placed we have a full uh full page color AD in the frontier that's in Wisconsin um we were on Care 11 every Monday and Tuesday for a blitz for four months on TV we spent a substantial amount of money on that marketing literature referral basis um I I myself out of 17 million but just people I know from the industry like I used to know the people that owned the beach bar the family that owned it I'm from Hastings we live in Stillwater and we just we get calls and referral base and things like that is a good chunk of our business we do have door knockers campaigns um it's not canvassers but it's actual people that like my mom in the red sweater that would be talking to you at your door um you know and that that's about it but a lot a large chunk of it too is commercial again so all the 17 million we do in sales about eight million of it thus far has been commercial work and then another seven million three or four million of it came off marketing efforts not too much what is uh how much storage I mean I can drive by and see the vehicles are there that are there now yep but uh and I'm not really even talking about that but as far as materials for roofing um how much of that storage would will take place there do you think very very slim to none okay if it was it would probably be on a truck that was waiting to go to a job yeah or in a container or in a garage to all hit away right none of that stuff will be outside um everything's ordered per job to the job basis okay and then you know the only thing that happens is sometimes there's returns and we might bring them and stack them for a couple days until they have eight bundles of shingles on the job Runner would immediately bring that back to ABC for a credit on the invoice so we we return everything we don't use and they're very very little it's just like moving our inventory right to the house all the product direct ships to the to the customer it's my understanding that um you're going to put up some sort of fence we would like to we know it's part of the Privacy Screen probably so the neighbor on the rear doesn't have to see a trailer or a truck or guys funneling around in a garage stall you know whatever he's doing out there moving a compressor outs just so they don't have to see anything unsightly that doesn't please their eyes right we so regardless if you guys want us to I wanted to do that just because I just out of common courtesy and respect I think actually that would be part of the uh resolution which would be to have that fence put up yeah yep I've got a fence guy on standby just waiting I didn't apply for the permit in the app because I've been wanted to wait to the meeting but I'm sure he can put it in at any time a six foot fence one of the neighbors had asked that I maybe changed the um to the uh to the east the neighbor directly to the East and I don't see him here um and asked that he likes the breeze the cross breweries from east to west There Was You Know west to east through his backyard and asked me is there a way not to fence the entire back line um so I think on the bullseye just kind of wrote where the garages were for the fence line and then maybe stop it and open it up a quarter inch to allow him to get some kind of crossbreeds through his backyard that he likes to use I don't know most of most of our wind comes from the south I think so oh okay well then he's already blocked that's about all I have does anybody any additional questions I hope you know concerning this resolution yeah I guess I just had one here on the on are you putting the fence just here and then stopping it there and there or is that what you just explained he all kind of explained it so the highlighted version on the the east side is it butts up to that property where the neighbor thought he got the grease from yep um so I didn't know if I needed to take it all the way across or if I could end it at the end of the garage since the other PID is completely vacant right and open we don't have buildings on that oh okay yeah it can see back there from the street with the trees and stuff I was just curious but that makes sense and then and then again the bank thoughts up to that lot and there's an opening through there when you turn I think it's on first maybe or second and you can see there's a straight shot through where the containers kind of are now through the bank's line of sight to the neighbor across the road and I thought well okay I throw a privacy screen up on that too so they don't have to see anything back there um and I don't know if I needed to do a fencing through the through the woods because a big chunk of that is actually heavily kind of wooded and brushed and things like that was my next question are you gonna have to take trees out the fence in or I it didn't it's I you know I don't know I guess I left that up I didn't know if you guys wanted that done or not wanted it done either way I'm okay with it um I'd prefer not to yeah that's what I would say I don't know but again I'm open to whatever if it has to be done enough to clear cut it then I can clear cut it we'll drive you know Steel Pulse in to hang the cedar fence on and not we won't set them in concrete but they can drive the poles four feet with a pounder right so I mean I'm sure they could do it if need be but I think the neighbors kind of like it wooded back there seems to have a fire pit and a bench back there and stuff so as undisruptive as I can be I guess as possible well Tim are you asking if just where he has his highlighted if there's trees is he going to take it down or take the um well I guess I'm just wondering on the whole area if there's any a lot of times you have to take down to put the fence up or no no if you were to make me border the whole property both pids there would be just on the sell side there's it to me it looks like it was just kind of overgrown and some trees a lot of elm and Cedar back there from what I remember yeah there is some help so I I would prefer not to cut them um I don't think the Elms we will you know Cedar definitely yeah again it would make sense not to yeah so that's where I propose the highlighted just the winds the site screen I guess in between the wooded section so you don't have a clear line of sight to a trailer or truck sitting back there with a plow on it or you know trying to keep it as clean and tidy as possible and so the one question I have is so you just store stuff inside lot 7 not on lot six well we have two we have trucks sitting there now yeah excess material in that it'd be nothing would be there um I mean worst case might be a snowmobile trailer in the winter for my own personal use okay for a day or two I guess I'm pulling in to drop the trailer and I'm tired from Michigan honestly the other way it's a rough life I don't know yeah no we would not uh be putting anything on there at some point down the down the road we might propose something for that other lot but nothing at this nothing at this time and you realize that the only uh into this off of First Street yes yep we don't need any other access anybody got any other additional questions or concerns or yes okay okay um does anybody have any questions okay thank you I appreciate that thank you acting mayor council members if I could just go through a couple highlights of the application um that might answer some questions as well the city did uh receive a cfp application for the property in question um and a public hearing of course notice for this evening for State Statute I I want to make clear that there is there's no proposed changes to the site other than the addition of a small fence which the the fence is proposed to be around the southern Leaf properly property line of just lot 7 to the rear building line of the existing building um it appears that the salt small segment of fence would also wrap around the northern property line of lot 7. no fencing is proposed at all for lot six where I believe the trees are um anyway uh the the in the staff report the analysis of the of the use which is again there's no proposed changes to the property itself the the change here is just the use of that property no additional buildings no access no um additional storage room um the analysis done by the Consulting Planet planning planner went through all the dimensional standards and as you can see in the staff report all the uh they meet all the dimensional standards as there is no change to the existing um the existing site the applicant did in detail provide a narrative about the number of employees the hours of operation um and that staff meeting kind of that they have once a week um the applicant had indicated that all of the storage the equipment storage would be in the parking area adjacent to the existing garage and that would be screened by that cedar fence staff did recommend uh including a condition that the equipment storage is limited to that area identified by the office buildings and south of the garage and any additional materials or other equipment must be stored indoors and properly secured and on the draft resolution that condition is in within the resolution um staff also recommended that there's a condition that both Parcels need to be subject to the cup because of that parking space the parking area and required parking and that no additional accessory buildings would be permitted on either of the parcels unless at some point in the future there was additions that you wanted to make and that would require a a cup an amended Cup this isn't allowed use within the city um the analysis also went into uh that the uh any signage on the building needs to consign conform with the city sign ordinance and any free standing signs would require a permit there were some conditions related to the fencing as I mentioned and I would want it noted that the proposed hours are consistent with other businesses in the area and it was recommended that we include a condition that generally describes the activity on the site but does not prohibit employees from being on the outside of regular business hours so included in your packet was also a draft resolution with all those conditions that were outlined in the staff report well at this time I guess we should open it up for a public hearing to to have anybody comment on what's been said already about this request for a conditional use permit is there anybody here that wishes to step forward and please step up to the podium acting mayor council members could I get a motion and a second to open the public hearing I make a motion thank you uh my name is Joe franzik I live on First Street and I guess the concern I had I see fifth wheel trailers and stuff parked out there you're talking about it's going to be office space and you know for staff meetings are we going to have fifth wheel trailers marshalling up to go on jobs at you know six in the morning or oh God no I don't like to get up before hey not if I can help it no absolutely not in fact a fifth wheel trailer will actually probably be gone it's an old it's something we I purchased a year and a half ago that I thought I would be towing telehandlers with it with a with a one-ton Dodge and that's just not the case it'll probably be traded in for a dump trailer that will slide into the back yeah there's no use for that trailer which is why it's been here but it's an asset that I just haven't had time so it's it's going to be predominantly an administrative office and some vehicle storage or yeah we do own two dump trailers right so we may take those out but I don't know that Ryan gets to the office prior to 7 30 8 in the morning as Republicans or they're taking home with them at night to their homes or residencies and brought to the drop right and even the trucks most of the pickup trucks all go home with the staff members they give them home oh well I don't want to if somebody's there at six o'clock there's a problem most of the time it's just they're starting on site yeah well that was my concern was noise and traffic thank you is there anybody else that would like to speak thank you Dennis line one six five five five First Street I'm the neighbor immediately to the east hello Mr mayor council members I'm Matt I like the proposal looks really good got a couple questions so I can understand a bit of things about it uh looks looks good just want to make sure I know what's going on so we I have Clarity so I'm not bugging people later um the fence uh like the proposal I'm not clear on whether the fence on the East property or east property line is going to be east or west of the existing tree lines in the vicinity of the garage sure I believe it would actually be East because that's where the property line is and it permits to be on the proper line so without having to cut any trees down it would probably just fit right on the other side nicely again we would consider your wonder whatever you would like for us to do to make sure the trees are preserved right notice your wife has a bush too right so if we have to move it over a foot onto our side more to preserve that then sounds good I would like us to put a Target completion date I realize you're talking soon but winter may happen and we don't get it done this year and that's fine just a matter of getting a date that it needs to be done by you know next June next October whatever just a date on there I'd appreciate if we could add that sure um and that's see that covers items four five and six on the document uh then there's uh looking at condition or number three it talks about no other business area in the past this property has had a number of renters different businesses in there as well as residences at different points in time um our residence is allowed under the wave condition three is worded and if so how do we manage that um and what about auxiliary residences such as RVs campers tents I don't know what else is there but uh could be there but that's something to consider if that's part of this what's being allowed or not um looking at storage not in buildings the cop talks about number one and number four I see three containers there right now are those going to be permanent and if so do we want to put something in the cup that lists the number of containers that are allowed however that dumpsters um they're probably not going to have a lot of construction as you mentioned sir that uh that's all at the remote site not at your site there but you're going to need to have dumpster service there somehow I didn't see anything in the cop that talked about how that was going to be managed be nice to have that specified if it's not covered in other ordinances and I have to say I don't really know the city ordinances that well let's see so let's back up just a little bit here since I'm afraid we're going to Breeze right by these and that gives you the answers that you either want or whether you want them or not what the answer is so um as to the most recent I am taking notes done go ahead yeah you want me to do it now I I do want to caution that the council this is not a negotiation um clearly uh the uh conditions of approval per the planning consultant does not limit any containers and the issue with that is limiting they're going to not be seen he can have containers on his property and the other issue with that would be how how do you enforce that um if say he said there's three containers there now and you you put a condition of approval in that how are you going to enforce that again all the as the site plan is indicated his uh uh narrative and the analysis by the uh uh Consulting planner it does meet all the city ordinances um you can have a dumpster uh can that dumpster be on site forever if it is in the area that has been outlined for storage so can you speak oh yes go for it uh the dumpster's on site now because we've been cleaning up the trash when they've passed tenants and doing some inside remodeling work like we had to fix the holes and the ceilings trim work there's actually an open Insurance claim to do the roofing two as well so on all the two of the buildings I'll be making the buildings when I do that more sightly and applying for a permit to actually do standing the seam black on them with a black shingle make it look a little nicer so the dumps unfortunately as we do the construction to upgrade the building with the with the insurance claim I will have a dumpster on site but that is typically not okay we would not need a dumpster on site typically um there in the building I'd never had one before typically we would use a dump trailer if instead we'd throw it in it and just go to a job so I can get tossed away as far as containers as we're brought in um so nothing did get left outside if there were things that were needed to previous to move prior to moving in if we got the conditional use permit because I didn't want anything sitting outside where you could visually see it too much or look again unattractive they're set on um on the impervious space they're set on the asphalt that's back there now that was pretty existing so I didn't change anything I didn't block any grass or drainage or anything of that sorts and I believe I have another space on each side of them that's asphalt that they're just sitting there so again it was done solar wouldn't be equipment or tools left outside or something that should be inside somewhere not being unsightly left out so I I don't plan on putting another container there we move three I believe they're eight by Twenty so that gave us another you know a little bit of storage or leeway if we were to move in and discover that oops we did not you know where are we going to put the rack shelving that we had at our old office and we'll instead of leaving it up against the garage we can throw it in the container for now and then figure out what to do with it and get rid of it at that point or something of that nature it was just a preventative they're uh I believe two and a half of them are there's nothing in them now they're just put nothing in them yeah there's nothing in them now they're just sitting there just for just in case we again we have some rack shelving in our other office now that needs to come out like pallet rack Sheltie that I own I don't want to just throw that away so my thought was okay if I'm we're moving things in and it's we pass a conditional use permit that we make sure we get everything tucked away as much as we can that's not slightly right that needs to go inside a garage or a dry storage item I can go inside goes inside somewhere and is it pretty much your intention to keep those containers even if once the insides of the buildings are up to your what you think is what you need in the short term for now um the three that are there no more okay um I don't foresee a need for any of that how's that did the city city clerk have any other items now okay um I did not see anything in the cup talking about uh storage of things not related to the business RVs uh boats Recreational Equipment different things I don't know if that's something that should or should not be addressed as part of the cup go ahead if you'd like for my understanding and reading the code and the compliance that I could have RVs and snowmobiles as much as any other neighbors or tenants that have them out in the front yard there's another neighbor with an RV sitting right out there but I didn't see anything that prohibited me from having a recreation vehicle or storage outside just like a normal type of wood or a normal home in the driveway usage but these would be RVs for an RV for instance for your personal use no other company owns everything right nothing um okay but I mean it's not like you're you're not in the business of creating storage space for other people's RVs oh God no no just uh just stuff that I may take these gentlemen onto like the up I own a fourth place snowmobile trailer that's not even there right task force automobiles the company owns all of it I take these guys on a 10-day or a week-long trip to the up that's all we use it for um that's it we don't yeah don't know I would not be running any space I'm a I don't Inspire everybody was evicted so you know you're on record taking these guys on a trip now I know I've been on record for a while we've had a lot of rough Scout done this year yeah I know perks as long as there's something else yeah we have two more items one is uh the trees under number 11. don't want to have you locked into replacing 100 foot high White Pines have some of those are no longer part of the picture I foresee leaving all the Pines I understand that but it does say that you will replace them if they're sure they're not there anymore and it's like I don't want to get you locked into replacing enormously expensive trees so I don't know if there's a better way to word that and then the last one's not specific to the cop but it talks about the noise ordinance um does the noise ordinance apply to Vehicles only or does it apply to any up business operations uh not quite sure exactly how that fits into this but some businesses are very noisy other businesses are not what I see here says it's probably not going to be noisy but I could foresee a circumstance if you needed to cut a lot of metal for something um that could be a significant amount of noise maybe over an extended period of time especially with metal roofing so I don't know if that's something that should be in the cop or addressed and that covers everything I had thank you for your time thank you uh metal roofing is actually ordered within this six inch tolerance as the roof we get it all pre-cut pre-fat at the metal manufacturer um I don't we ever cut I think I've cut metal once in five years and I cut it on site so I we would it's not there's no fabrication going to be happening there at all in other words you do standing seam roofs and you don't Envision any kind of manufacturing of those at this business no and if they do they actually use a hand Shear so you can hear it won't be a loud buzzing noise by like a chop saw or any type of grind or anything that's job site related though isn't it correct yes yep so if we did have to trim it most of the panels I think there's panels there because I plan on using them on the building itself but I would not everything again is fabricated on site we made truck in extras and then bring it out to the next job that's all we're doing just to clarify one thing which I'm confused about somewhat uh I mean this doesn't require you to replace a 100 foot tall white pine they take it you know that happens to become diseased and needs to be taken down and I assume that that that's just active nature that it died and therefore due to safety concerns or whatever that you would take it down naturally for that reason but for no other reason it doesn't need to be replaced is there anybody else that's going to uh wants to be part of the public hearing if there is a step forward and sign your name otherwise I think we'll at uh 70. timeline on the fence I text and defense guy and obviously if you can even get it in this year I mean so like within a year I would say something yeah I would say you know let's give you to June 1st so you can at least get it done when the weather's the ground's not Frozen thank you I appreciate it uh do we need a motion to close the public hearings yes please I would move that we closed the public hearing as to this resolution uh 2022-09 do we have a second second all in favor aye is there any discussion amongst the city council members all my questions I'm good yes acting mayor council members um if the council is ready to move forward with this I would recommend approval of the resolution with the added condition that the fence be done by June 1st 2023. subject to all the already listed conditions anybody would like to make a motion on this I'll make a motion we approve resolution 202209 for the cup for 145 Saint great Trail South [Music] you need a roll call and all in favor aye against um the wheels turn slowly but they do turn thank you so much thanks for coming in [Applause] all right that's a whole big pile of paper [Music] I must not want to listen to you guys just go out of water here a little bit and you know so that we can get the rest of the audience to leave yeah we get back to normal right and uh so let's jump down to 4E which is consideration of resolution number 2022-12 firefighters Relief Fund is that put there anymore okay good evening thank you for all my time to go through a few things with you from our lower St Croix Valley Fire Relief Association my name is Ralph piscatello I'm the vice president of the relief Association board uh just a couple of things we'd like to cover with you and then um then you can go ahead and um and enter and ask any questions about the resolution and then I'll try to address them uh basically um about three just just to your understand some of you um were able to attend um a training um Workshop we had to give you a better idea understanding of the relief Association but about three months ago we went ahead and every year we're required to submit to the state a a form called the SC in this case 2020 uh 2022 I see 22 okay and actually it would be 23 and 24 and so on along with an uh an independent audit okay so here's the form that we submitted you all have a copy of this was all sent to you in an email this was submitted and here's the audit that was also submitted to the state auditor's office okay and then like I said we had a a open house for all the cities to come a workshop okay and this is the actual Workshop which you have a copy of that also in case um you want to review it for those who didn't wasn't able to make it okay um so just along with that okay um and the audit and so on do you have any questions that you would like me to address as it relates to the audit to the the training Workshop we had or any other questions about the relief Association before we go to the uh to the resolution as you can tell if we pour it over and so we have a lot of questions but um the the main to the as it relates to the city okay the key benefits to the relief Association okay or to the cities as it relates to the Reed Association is retention and recruitment okay there's this is basically a pension plan is what it is so by having the pension plan and of course the larger the pension the more likelihood of someone staying longer okay and or wanting to be on the fire department uh that does save the city a substantial amount of money okay because if we couldn't get volunteers the next option would be to go to full time which a number of cities around here a number of fire departments are going to full time and that is substantially more expensive for example uh and we presented this in the in the workshop for the amount of salary paid to the about 25 volunteers you would get one and a half full-time people okay instead of 25 okay and of course you can't support a fire department with one and a half people for 24 7 365. so that's a big benefit so that uh as a as it relates to the city okay or the cities because there's obviously five cities so with that being said is uh what we're here to request and you have the resolution is a hundred and 425 increase okay um to bring our our our annual um benefit level up to 4775 dollars per year service uh this is effective October 11th the way it works we have to approve it as a board we have to bring it to the membership the membership has to approve it okay and then we have to bring it to all five cities and they need to approve it so we've already done it so it's actually October 11th which is when the general membership approved this this increase so do you have any any questions about the resolution and a request how much was an increase this year 425 dollars and that's based on the calculation as we've set up a while back right we keep 115 percent of our liabilities in play Tom's very well aware he was part of the day now Tim is obviously part of the board now um but yes we always keep a uh as uh a 115 so basically 15 Surplus so unless we have 115 percent in assets okay we can't even look at increasing it so we protect in case the market were to drop because most all our stuff is in Investments the market were to drop we could still be fully funded okay if it drops okay so that's so I mean it has dropped and it has dropped and what we did this year is we didn't only we we take the numbers at the beginning of the year and then we have to the SC uh 2022 or let's see okay we have to calculate what we think the end of this year is going to be so the assets at the beginning of this year we put the liability what will be at the end of the year and then we estimate what we think the assets will grow to the end of the year so at the end of this year this is what we have we have the liability which is actually calculated it's a it's a it's a formula that the state gives us it's a spreadsheet they give us but then we have to guess what the assets will grow what we did is we went ahead because the market had dropped we actually went and took the year end of June okay so June of this year the market had already dropped we used that number for the 115 percent we didn't take the beginning of the year number which was substantially higher we took June 30th number we took and we made sure we still had 115 after the market correction and we still kept 115 so that's why this amount of 425 otherwise the amount would have been substantially higher okay but this is to protect the cities and and uh uh allow us to to still maintain that 115 because the market has dropped so much normally we wouldn't do that if the market dropped a couple of percent and the vast majority of the time I I again without getting into market and I'm not an expert in the market or whatever but huge amount of times the market drops during the year and it's up at the end of the year don't know if that's going to happen this year but we assumed it wasn't and that's why we took the year in June's ending uh number and then made sure we still had 115 otherwise our number would have been higher than this we would have requested and that that's contrary to the statute right I mean generally speaking you always use that SC 22 or 2022 number they decided not to we we decided to to be more conservative okay to protect the cities okay uh so we went ahead and took the end of June's number and all we did is we took the end of June we have to forecast what we think the the market will end historically we're told by our financial advisor and others just take the last 10 years whatever your performance on average for the last 10 years and put that down that's what you think this year is going to grow that number is always a positive number we took a negative number okay as what we think the Market's going to grow this year to to get it in line so that we could be more conservative yeah we took we took whatever the calculation would be that June's number and so we forecast and instead of saying let's say assuming it goes up four percent a year on the last 10 years we said it's going to go up a negative 15 is what we said this year it's going to go up at negative 15 well up negative 15 it's down 15 right so we took that number then we said make sure we have 115 on that number and then we went ahead and calculated are we excess of that are the assets that in excess of that number and if it is we just took the Delta to get us down to 115. okay this has nothing to do with that other than it's to do with the fire department is there still any Rumblings about anybody in the five City uh um joint Powers agreement pulling out uh not that I know of okay not not me personally okay I mean that probably would be uh addressed to the the the other cities and or the District board okay that governs the cities because they've got two members from each each City on the on the District board okay um I was just wondering whether you'd heard anything about that I really I I don't know why that came to my mind but well they would have to go to someone else okay and and uh I don't know who who that would be and who who would consider it because they're not gonna whoever they go to the Departments around us are much more I would think more expensive only because they have a lot more awesome okay so I mean so good thank you okay thank you when Kevin uh contacted me to bring this forward uh as a resolution indicated that he would get all the materials to meet which he did I basically asked why why what's why are we doing this um and he absolutely reminded me every time a benefit is increased this has to be done and again all the participating cities have to approve this and it was done two years ago and it was the exact same format um so very consistent different numbers it's it's uh basically procedurally this is what has to be done and I will just request from your admin and if you need some admin help let me know we need to get this document in a Word document your resolution we have I mean it's been the way it's been done I know I know I get we'd have to find out from each City what the resolution form looks like no not necessarily but I would help you with that this it really it needs to be in a Word document because then they can revise it to fit their resolutions I'll help you yeah okay I don't know exactly what you require but in the letter that we've sent you it says resolution request whereas the Lower State correct value Fire Relief Association had updated the general membership benefit level 214. so to me that looks like a resolution but again I don't know right okay so we try to do something okay but I don't know if that's really the formatter the word again I will help you okay absolutely we'll take the help yes it would make it easy perfect thank you so without a more definitive uh piece of paper do we still go ahead and vote oh absolutely yes yes this is legal and binding yes I make a motion we approve what's the number um 22 12. uh we're pretty increasing the relief association annual amount which would be approximately 425 425 yes I second the motion all in favor aye all against we appear to pass you'll once again keep up the good work thanks guys we'll be out of here we'll be following you in about five minutes Maybe 10. [Applause] okay okay uh to get back on schedule here we have uh 4B which is consideration of recycling contract okay um I had to pull some stuff together here real quick but um the recycling contract the only the biggest difference was is the the monthly costs for household um our current rate is 449. our new rate will be 7.49 per month uh doing some research in the general area that's on the bottom end of the costs for a lot of the other places not not dramatically lower but I mean it's in the bottom I think maybe 15 percent I looked at about six other or should say the committee looked at about six other places and and we're we're second to last from a cost perspective and and uh Highland said the biggest cost increases Fuel and HR and I can't find anybody who can dispute that in any business because that's pretty much the way it is there is a schedule with a five percent increase every year for five years um I can honestly say that there has been one question from our city about the recycling contact in the last five years that's gotten to me I don't think anybody else has heard anything so I think Highland's doing a good a super job and Kim and I have discussed this a number of times and don't screw this up Tom I I like it once a week is great yeah so anyway just and that impacts the budget because we had budgeted seven thousand dollars for next year our contracts goes through the end of March at the current rate and then goes to the 749 and so we had seven thousand dollars budgeted we're going to need about 98.67 are about 10 grand not 70 grand I just wanted to get that in before we got too far into the budget conversation but uh yes that's the only Hiccup from our perspective at that point the budget does reflect the budget draft budget before you does reflect those increases right yeah it does yes yeah so anyway that I I recommend we continue on because it seems to be working reasonably well and the costs are comparable to what everybody else is paying I don't think there's anything we can see so without doing any creative math or too much uh four years from now let's say the be a 20 increase um possibly a 20 increase yes but yeah you can yeah it could be more it is yearly or yeah yeah it is here yeah five percent a year is a maximum but I mean yeah so it could be worse yeah it could be I mean you know you I'm going to be honest with you the numbers are in the contract and I'm not exactly sure how that Wiggles I I really know but I know that working with Highland has been I mean Bobby who is third generation of that outfit uh he comes at all our meetings I mean that just impresses me anyway and he's very open and about answering questions and and I think the thing is is he actually drives the route a couple times a year and so he knows we were discussing some of the tricky places to pick up recycle and one of them is on the stubhana Quinlan they back in there and he was talking about that you know I mean so you know he's you're generally speaking back in all the way down Lakeland Churchville as well yeah but okay uh any further discussion about this all those in favor of passing uh the recycling contract for the next five years yep is there a motion I'll make that motion to I'll second it okay all those in favor hi those opposed hearing none we then passed the recycling contract thank you um thanks for the work you do on it um uh we have a couple more things here dealing with the consideration of resolution number 2022 that would be 4C the 2023 final budget we have a letter from our treasure Neil soltis um in which he pretty much if you've had a chance to read it we've got it when we um pretty much explains what he feels the situation is and seems to feel that uh what we approved back in September is probably what we should at this time go forward with and is there any discussion concerning this okay that number is in there when we the bump for the recycling so I have none 10 or 10 I don't know anything I would move then that we past or that we take a boat on the resolution number of 2022-10 2023 final budget which I believe is in the amount of approximately a hundred and I can't remember where I got this figure from 170.66. um uh for the final budget yes you don't need to include the number okay and uh it's my motion is there a second one second thank you all in favor of passing resolution number 2022-10 2023 final budget all in favor aye aye all opposed hearing no Nays this passes so we have 4D which is consideration of resolution number 2022-11 which is the 2023 final Levy and is there any discussion concerning that since there doesn't appear to be any discussion on it I would move that we approved the resolution number 2022-11 the 2023 final level at Levy um all those in favor of Anita second all those in favor aye aye anybody opposed nobody opposed we would uh pass that uh final Levy and then we have finally for a consideration of Campus of election November 14th to 18th Kim what is your pleasure on this uh well the the state has um strict guidelines on when this can be done it's got to be three to ten days after unfortunately the Friday is a holiday so it can't be done so it has to be done Monday through uh Friday which is the 18th um it is a 10-second meeting um I think last time we did it in the parking lot we didn't even come in the building um don't make me go there if it's snowing I'm not leaving the house um Zoom uh yeah zoom zoom um whatever is convenient for you guys in terms of when we could meet it absolutely can be during the day [Music] um it does not have to be a night meeting but uh I don't know since you're probably the one that's most inconvenienced by this why don't you tell us when you'd like to do it and then we see whether we agree um perhaps we could take care of this on Friday the 18th at 10 30 A.M yes I can do that I can okay how many do we need three three I could do it I can yes 10 30 on Friday the 18th uh Friday the 18th at 10 30 a.m canvas of election and that'll be here in the parking lot and that's just basically uh certifying the vote of some in some way or you have to take a motion a second and pass the election results okay so yeah that's right you weren't here yeah with that one the last time were you I was yeah I just you know want to make sure I understood what canvas meant okay you have to accept the re-election election results yeah and that's all we need to do on that correct okay so everybody remember that we can't be uh with Tim having actually probably has to go to work unfortunately um we all have to be there in order to make this to work so 10 30 on Friday the 18th I will certainly send out an email reminder okay now we're down to five which is Council and staff reports uh staff updates Kim anything uh Equity mayor council members I will just note the city did get another application for an amended cop on the Choice Homes property uh it is in the process of being processed I'm not sure if it is complete at this time and depending on timing it would be at a December or January meeting the state regulates when action has to be taken on those those applications so the city does have 60 days and conceivably if that was the only thing that would be on the December agenda that we could do it in January if it yeah once we count the day 60 days once it's determined that the application is complete or is not yes and that's pretty much it that's all I have and the mayor and Council reports under five big council members members Tim Schroeder I have nothing Mr Wilson nope nothing no nothing and I have absolutely nothing I hope that except for the fact that I hope that those that were concerned appreciated the two new street signs I put up and the one at the corner of fourth and uh and uh Quinlan and one at the I think it was first maybe our second I can't remember there was another one that's in there that's close I didn't order it but anyway they're new so one it's kind of sitting in a yard you know there's no through Street there so anyway that was done quite a while ago let's make sure everybody votes and uh if nobody's got any anything else that would I would move that we adjourn the meeting at approximately 7 31. do we have a second I second all those in favor aye aye I don't think you have to ask about a post foreign