just done how they can fix something they are just amazing because they just get these rods and heat guns it's gone have you had a run on um trucks and parking lots that want to fix the cars at this time i will call to order the city council meeting of june 2nd 2022 at approximately 6 32. kim would you take roll call please council member schroeder here council member wilson here acting mayor bishop here council member hat here uh would you join me for the pledge of allegiance please i pledge allegiance to the flag the united states of america to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you uh the first uh order of business uh will be to adopt the agenda and make a motion to adopt the agendas for a second all second all in favor uh secondly uh there's the uh consent agenda which has approved the monthly claims as well as the march 3rd 2022 city council meeting is there any discussion uh about either one of these matters if not when somebody like to make a motion i will make a motion to approve the consent agenda i'll second it all in favor all right hi uh public comments uh i assume that does not deal with mr bailon's request for a conditional use permit and a variance so assuming kim there is no public comment i do not receive any number okay item number four unfinished and new business uh this is a public hearing for consideration of variances and conditional use permit construction of a boathouse at 165 lakeland shores road lakeland shores minnesota 55043 how would you like to proceed on this kim should we have uh mr bailon or the developer speak first or acting mayor and council members um i'll briefly go through the staff reports and then i would suggest if you want to hear from the applicant they can speak and then i would open the public hearing and see if there's anyone that wants to comment on this uh acting minor council members you received your packets last week just a day late because the uh not only did the consulting uh planner uh review this and analyze it but the the city engineer did as well um this is a very very complex issue a very thorough review was done by the consulting planner a public hearing was posted all notices were sent out she reviewed the zoning standards and i'm certainly hoping you all read this accessory structure standards uh standards for a variance review um and then basically a kind of just a staff review um there were some mistakes made i think by all parties in in this as to why we are here right now the reality is the the boathouse could have been repaired as is the structure remaining the same it could have been repaired however a variant still would have been required we would still be here right now with that needing a variance because it was um torn down we now need a variance as well as a conditional use permit um the staff review gets into the flood plain again very technical uh the city engineer review in which you guys got the memo um the city council clearly just has a decision to make um the staff report just winds up with that there's three options before you um any conditions added to any of the options that you go with basically are based on public comment comments from your neighbors concerns conditions perhaps could be added per that i don't think that they are lined up outside to talk about this but per the consulting planner you have the option of denying the proposed application for variances from the bluffline setback an ordinary high water mark setback and the request for the conditional use permit um based on what you do this evening a resolution will be brought forward on your next meeting on the consent agenda with everything that you have approved or not approved this evening um there is justification to deny uh the variance and conditional use permit comments were not received back by the dnr they were sent the plans it is clearly against the dnr's rules to rebuild the boathouse as proposed and there there there is the absolutely potential for the dnr to come back if you allow this to come back to the city and the applicant um they've been doing that with cities and there could be potential litigation that could hold this project up for quite some time the other option is that you could approve the application for the variance and the request for the the conditional use permit there is practical difficulty here a variance would be justified the practical difficulty being the the building is gone he can't rebuild repair the building at this point because it is gone um if you need information but i don't see that that you're going to because there's no public comment uh people here to comment on that and the dnr did not send any comments back the third option quite honestly if it isn't discussed it's touched on in the staff report is to approve the variance and variances there's two of them ncup within the conditions as as presented along with an added condition that the structure be rebuilt as it originally was the proposal to rebuild this boathouse the elevations are higher than it was previously they're in their plans they do show the historic elevations the historic height that is an option for the council to add that condition that it goes back to the it's rebuilt with the at the historical height that it was which would then not be a violation of the dnr rules um so the dnr couldn't get too upset about that but there would have to be building plans resubmitted but he could rebuild the boathouse the last option guys it's confusing convoluted um is to go along that same path approve the variances approve the cup don't make him go back to the historic height but a condition that he has to demonstrate that you can't see that proposed new height from the river it was the opinion of the city planner that that would be very difficult for the applicant to do so with that if you have any questions for the property owner or the applicant well i guess you know before we get to any questions for them uh mr bailon or uh and i'm sorry i don't you're from divine what what okay uh mr warren uh do you have any uh presentation you'd like to make or uh well first of all i'd like to thank you all for being here considering uh this application our our process has been as kim alluded to really convoluted we started with a building permit to remodel and repair the existing structure and once we and that was detailed we would do a new foundation and new wood framing and structure so we acted on that original excuse i think we might have to have you go to the podium so it can be recorded sorry and just state your name and address thanks it's just like teaching at the university yeah my name is rick bailen or richard baylen if you want to be formal i live at 155 lakeland shore so i'm an immediate neighbor of the project and i have no objection to the project said that with a smile what we're asking is to have this structure permitted which is essentially improving an existing structure that had a concrete block foundation that at high water the blocks would collapse in and when ruth dolan owned the property my son and i were typically out there replacing concrete blocks so we've seen high water effects extreme high water effects and that is the reason why we wanted to bring that foundation up a little higher and therefore the structure would be a little bit higher rather than concrete block we want to have a poured foundation so it'll be more resistant to high water log and wave action that would destabilize concrete block the existing structure had been neglected by the previous owner the property and had wood rot in the floor as well as the roof so repair of that would have been extremely well impossible because all of the wood would have to be removed so you'd be basically rebuilding it and if you use the old concrete block foundation that would have been a continued hazard so therefore the consideration was poured foundation same footprint not bigger elevate it slightly similar to down river the property two houses down that elevated that home on the same location on the river and the whole idea was to make this more safe more high water resistant and that's basically the beginning in the end so you purchased this property at 165 i take it you purchased it or the trusted or somebody did um approximately what three or four years ago or was it longer than that i think it was it's probably four years yeah and how long have you lived at 155 since 1989 okay so you're well aware of the fact that we live on i don't know if i'm going to use the proper terms but the wild and scenic river or at least something that's not quite the equivalent of what it is north of stillwater but from here to prescott uh from your place from stillwater down okay so you understand that there has always been i take it uh that because of its location both 155 and 165 in the boathouse that the problems arise due to the fact that some construction was done prior to this being designated a special uh place and um and now we have before us a building that you've indicated is in somewhat before you took it down somewhat weak condition [Music] it's tough to um to refurbish it or to renovate the existing structure yes i i would disagree with that i mean you could unprepared something almost doesn't exist and it's just a different process right i understand that but there but um if you're asking if it was habitable or not habitable it was habitable and you would just start the process to replace single boards at a time where were the actual boards on it i mean what i've seen of it uh and before tom got involved with his machinery down there it looked to me like the structure was mostly a black building is that correct correct the lower the lower part okay and and the lower part went up approximately how high probably about five to six feet okay and then after that the wood yeah you had joyce flooring uh the walls and the roof right and this place as far as you know and you've been living there for a long time um was never a place that was used for human habitation no it was used to support activities on the beach store boats kayaks in fact when ruth owned it we had our kayaks in there in the lower level and um i know this is a pickle gentleman i served on the planning commission when we had one for lakeland shores for most of the 90s and we had to look at a lot of things but never a boathouse right and i i do want to at least draw some sort of it's not exactly the same thing as uh scanlan's property because that was the original property on that that lot and they actually didn't have a house there okay so the the people that before scanlon and how how many before i don't know uh actually lived in that was basically a boathouse with a small living area above it okay so that that's the as far as i'm concerned that's the history of that that uh structure that's on scanlon's property which is right i don't know maybe two down from your yes um so i just don't want us to get into this thing of well scanlan did therefore or you allowed scanlan to do it so why are no no why are you we're not not advocating that okay um what type of roof did it have on it well it had a shake roof and it was pitched to some yeah yeah that a very shallow pretty flat rope according to the plan here the new structure looks almost exactly like the whole structure except that it's five feet higher correct it's ten feet higher but it's more than five yeah yeah you scale this off you went from fifteen to twenty five that's not five feet it says five feet that's oh i know it whatever it is it's wrong according to this drawing that's 10 feet higher not five well i mean we don't need to get argumented but it's it's definitely higher okay um and i don't mean to get you know i'm not i'm trying to keep this civil so i'm just curious as to what your your thought process was so you go to the building inspector can i jump in yeah please so just to identify yeah my name is jeff warren from divine custom home so just like any other process i've done other projects in town we when rick asked us to start on this we called the city asked what our steps were and we were told to apply for a building commit so we submitted the application and we got a call from the building inspector a month and a half later that said we had the building permit was ready to go so we obtained the permit from from that time i don't have my sheet with me we have about a 90-day interval 90-day interval before we started anything we began ordering materials blah blah and it wasn't until 90 days after we started to tear the building down that did someone notify us that we needed to go through a different process so i think part of the frustration and confusion that's been created here is some somewhere after the building permit was granted someone should have communicated to probably rick or our company that another step needed to happen before we moved forward with with the demolition and nobody did so do you know who you talked to that you got permission to do this on the river uh the building inspector duane okay but that was the building inspector wasn't uh our city administrator or anybody else like that i i we the only thing the city administrator did was ask us to fill out the building permit and we did that after that i didn't have any communication i want to add that this was done in good faith with that initial building permit there was no um no intent to go around any of the rules and rags and since it had been almost 30 years since i was on the planning commission i wasn't aware and i've never done a project like this i remodeled our house we bought an 89 build an outbuilding done all the permitting process for that but this is something completely new to me so again we acted in good faith we weren't trying to get a run around um was there power to the building there was power to the building and water to the building no septic no waste and your intention is uh if if you're allowed to do this is to continue with the electrical but not not the water well we'll have a water supply there if permitted uh the original one did came out of the house otherwise we can have bottled water down here the the same the the existing the water line the pipes are still there i mean they would be used for the new new structure what happens to the water effort uh when you run the sink or whatever it is that you're running the water for that would be that would be collected collected in a rain barrel and that would be used to water vegetation when was the wild what words am i looking for here the wild and scenic river what do you call that uh when was that riverway when was that done uh many many years ago yeah right i mean that was something walter mondale did way back when right i believe so in the group he used to leak all the time um i believe the the shoreland ordinance per this application that that this uh lakeland shores has has been in place for quite some time yeah would you say 30 years i was going to say 1980 anybody else got some questions while i think of something else here well i guess being in the trades myself and going through the permit process and i believe you guys your company had done some work on a project on the river a few years ago yeah mike finnegan's place and so i guess i just you know when i saw this come across my you know in an email in this process i thought okay you know it would have drawn a red flag up to me that you know the dnr's not involved and that we don't have to go through some restrictions because it's in the flood plain and if we tear down a building that is not deemed non-repairable i think over 50 percent we can't replace it and so can i tell you on the flip side all that information was communicated to us when we got the permit the first time okay so i in almost every in this family that we work when we start the process the plans are marked rewritten members again i think that mistakes have been made there's plenty of blame to go around um and again a mistake was made that that's neither here nor there we're sitting here now with with an application before you and uh we need to have a public hearing and and and i firmly believe mr baylen that this it wasn't applied for with bad intent it was not meant to get around the system but you know that's been several years ago now so we should probably move on here we are we got to figure it out so that's why you guys get paid the big bucks yeah so i'm looking at these plans and the upper part of the structure if they you're calling it a pool house is that what you're calling it pardon me is this part is this the this is what the plan of the building looks like right there or is that from some other about the other part though because it it's got windows in it and you know that type of thing and i'm just like your building had windows okay yeah i mean it's anybody he's almost a replica of what was there okay does anybody have any uh pictures of the old that's what i was gonna there was notes that on our permitted plan that said we couldn't have this deck to the front yeah on the rivers right on the riverside so you know partly that's why i i would have taken that this was reviewed that was the only comment made yeah to adhere to the i think it even says that here to the riverway district or whatever the deck can't be isn't allowed on the front well you know i hate to be the bad guy in this situation but you know my initial uh reaction to this is that you know if anybody screwed up it was the building inspector and not that i don't think there could have been some common sense used considering the location of this particular building and i'm not sure it was but i really have a hard time approving any plans if i don't have any clue as to what the building looked like to start with i mean i know what's left there now you got a couple corners you know that are blocked that's maybe a foot and a half high that are white and i remember coming across it when i was either i guess i was walking as compared to skiing on the river but um i noticed that uh good to go no it's not good to go with tom's big backhoe was in there so i'm not sure anything can be worked out other than a straight denial if that's what you want from us tonight which it isn't i understand that but it sure would make one of the other possibilities maybe a little bit more realistic if i had some idea of what this building looked like okay and i just can't remember it okay you know um it was it was indistinguishable enough so that it didn't attract it was hitting by foliage too so yes you were really close and of course there isn't any foliage there now okay because tom's back black hole was in there so i'm not saying that that would sway me one way or the other but it sure would help me to understand exactly you know what we're looking at when i look at the plants here okay and this is just not me i'm the one that's doing all the talking okay but um you know and i live on the river you know just south of you so i understand the problems okay but you know there's a process somehow the process got skewed and if i could make it right the only way i can see myself making it right is if i could see what this building was sure okay otherwise we're just as far as i'm concerned not speaking to the other three probably just going to follow the rules okay which would in my as far as i'm concerned would probably deny you the variance okay so um i'm pretty sure despite it probably being right around july 4th you know the next meeting but when i talked to our engineer mr parody about some road stuff he was hopeful that we would have a meeting in july even if it was a short one we're going to talk about that later okay we're not going to have it the week of the fourth um acting mayor and council members i just did want to note um not having the exact what the old structure looked like we can't remember and there may or may not be pictures i i don't know right um we do have the existing building dimensions these are those are on the plans right approximately 10 by 20. and then we also have a very specific conditions of what the end result building would look like that it has to go through the process with the colors it has to be uh it has to be screened it has to be just like the old one was and it has to be several other items that uh uh would have to be approved by staff um and again they have to demonstrate that the the height is not visible but there's a lot of aesthetics in here in the conditions of approval that would give you an idea of what the new building would look like the antenna the old building was white into cape cod white and the intent is to have it all earthbound so if you look at the house i live in 155 that's fall shades of green and shaped roof and it totally blends in i remember meeting molly como chodine at the dnr when we were going through the process and so molly were going to take off the deck that the previous owners had that was encroaching far past his old porch encroaching more on the bluff line and showed her the color scheme first of all she said thanks a lot for coming to the office so we does that and you know the colors were a total win because everything blends in so it was the same same intent and condition and when we redo the house above the actual structure same thing are you contemplating i'm just curious are you kind of implementing that being a tear down yeah it is there's mold and water damage flat membrane we knew that when we bought it yep yes may i suggest that we open the public hearing we need to get that on that right in the record um well is there any other questions uh for these two gentlemen at this time we would open the public hearing at 702. you can now close the public hearing if there's no one there's nobody the applicants don't count just for public hearing have you had any conversations with jerry concerning this um so we closed the public hearing thank you it's 703 and um what's next uh acting mayor and council members do any of you have any discussion uh give some opinions what are your thoughts any more questions for the applicant property owner i just have a quick comment and i guess the thing is is that as kim has alluded to there's been some mistakes made in this and i think it's very important we don't compound them by acting um i think your suggestion is good if we can see we got but you know as tim said the building's 10 feet higher that's that's a big deal yeah i mean from the river that's a big deal i mean as far as i can see there's only sand and water between you know the front of the building and yeah and actually mayor council members my question then would be even if you saw the old building what are your thoughts about 10 feet higher i don't think it would pass the not noticeable from the river yeah right and not only that i i honestly think that if the building had been left yeah it would have been repaired in exactly the same as exactly the same structure it was there in other words it would not have been any higher it would have been just repaired okay and i mean i get the impression from these drawings that you could probably have a small party on the second level um but you know i know mr bailey's got any any number of places he can play as musical instruments um but uh so i mean i i think my impression is is that if i could see what the old building looked like and we could duplicate that in some way not ten feet higher not two feet higher but just duplicate it that and i guess at that point it would be a boat house okay um that um i'd give this you know the variance in the cop a strong consideration okay i'll just note on that um you have that option tonight and and that was pointed out as one of the options is to approve the the variants in the cup based on the historic elevation meaning it would be the same height it wouldn't be the increased 10 feet so um sure we were told and i think it might have been it might have been by doing i can't remember or matter or somebody the reason the foundation is taller it was because there was a that might be the uh an elevation required by the riverway yeah floodplain high water high water so that was that was the reason for the elevation difference of the foundation the the height of the rook was just drawn that way so previous the previous structure at 93 when we remodeled 155 we had really remarkable high water and it was right at the top run of the blocks so all of the wood the joists all that got wet so the idea is bring that foundation up even if it's just another foot or two and i can compromise on the wood structure that sits on top of it i don't have any issues with that um and so you know if i could get just a you know and that's why i would i know i should have stopped in at your house as i drive by but i didn't you know to see if you had any pictures but you know um i i just feel like if i could have a better idea of as to what this prior structure was i understand you know i mean this same thing scanlan did although it's not the same situation even close scanlan did raise his i believe two block levels okay and uh and then you know redid the structure that was on top of it but we didn't allow him to put like a deck on the front of it uh you know the walkway coming up had to be you know so i i this totally uh comparing apples and oranges but just to give you a little background that's why we did what we did with him and because it had been a living quarters for the original family that owned the lot uh prior to native americans i suppose um so um if we could somehow i can't believe there aren't any pictures but uh i mean if we could somehow get are you suggesting kim that we go ahead with this in some way you know conditioned on i thought it was the denial to get more information well we can't deny it for more information you you could table and and i'm not quite sure that quite honestly the pictures of the old structure are justifiable to table um i will note based on your comments you all have the recommendation from the the wmo right i'm not sure if they say in there that you needed to raise that up or not um but you all have those comments um my my thought process is will that make a difference in terms of seeing the the the old structure are you still going to be comfortable with the plans as submitted to be 10 feet higher so therefore one of your options was to go ahead and approve this based on the historic height of the building what it was and the building itself he the applicant property owner said it was it was a white structure there's conditions of approval in here that's going to make that structure look even better and much less visible from the riverway which is the whole intent of of the you know river riverside restrictions so i guess that's what i'm getting at is seeing the old structure which is white old needed repair how is that going to get you to a place where you perhaps could approve the variances and cup for the plans that are presented well you know i i you know i personally uh unless we're gonna table this which i'm not sure we can um you know i would deny it because of the plans as they're presented okay that i mean that's my personal opinion okay i mean 10 feet higher is significant okay and it leads to all sorts of things that are probably easier to do in that space than would have been with the historic height okay okay and so that then let me ask you if seeing even seeing the old structure you would still deny i i think that's just delaying the applicant i i don't see the and i think the second part is then why did we get an approved plan knocked up saying that you could build build this no you have to ask dewey he's got insurance and and i will also again note it's against the dnr's rules the dnr absolutely could come back to the city and and and the applicant i i mean i i think we're capable you know i think what i hear you saying and what i kind of agree with if you this is what you're saying but even if it's not you know if there was a mistake made in the in the initial stages of this um with the granting of a building permit or you know to me you'd have to get a demolition permit first which i'm not sure was gotten but um then what i don't want to do is to compound the errors okay if an error was made in the beginning okay you know i feel badly about that okay but you know i it's one of those errors that probably shouldn't have been made uh on any number of people's perspective but i if we're if what you're saying is we're stuck with the plans that have been submitted here uh if we were to vote at this particular time i would deny it okay acting mayor council members that's you are voting on a plan the plans that were submitted however you can condition that approval on on added conditions meaning um the plans have to be revised to be at the same height as the old building and my concern is how do we determine what that height is okay it's listed right it's on the plans and that was that was confirmed by the consulting planner we do know know what the old building's height was so do we know when when was the building demolished or there was never never a demolition permit there was the permit that was issued detailed what we're going to do and we're going to put a new foundation and rebuild the structure so there's a fiduciary responsibility on the part of the city that granted that initial permit that we're probably going to have to go to the mic do we have to open this there's a copy of the building permit included in your packets yep it says tear down that yeah okay sorry okay so size will remain okay there is a fiduciary responsibility on the part of uh lakeland shores issuing a permit that we acted on in good faith that detailed all of the work that was going to be done i know tim you're uncomfortable with this but that's that's the reality um so you know it it's fine to say there was a mistake made but then as a result of that i've been bearing all the cost of additional engineering reports hydrology reports all these other things and i'm fine to do that but to come here after we've met all of those uh requests and agreements feels uh very difficult yep and i can understand that uh mr bailan um but i think uh i i i kind of already said it uh i tried to say it nicely or gently uh you know for someone that's lived on the river for 33 years um we know that it comes with various complexities it does and a lot of a lot of them uh we don't particularly like because we're being told what to do with our property yeah and um you know so i can understand your frustration but i also uh i'm not prepared at this time anyhow to um this is my personal feeling to let you off the hook for having gotten a building permit um you know because i just i honestly think that uh you know whether it was a and around or not i just think that most of us live on the river recognize that there's some unique problems when we want to do something on the river so i mean that's all i'm saying i'm reluctant to approve the plans based on how it is that we're going to prove i guess we've got to got it in the in the drawings you know what the original was i mean it's within the report there's a draft draft conditions section on page 8 bottom of page it talks about the colors it talks about area disturbance and landscape planning and minimization of vegetation cutting blah blah okay find wonderful things the third item is replacement structure may not be expanded from the historic boathouse footprint the application must demonstrate that the increase in height is not visible from the river those are one of the conditions that we can put on this approval right if i'm reading that correctly right kim absolutely and that's based on the plan submitted that's based on the increased height of the the proposed structure so what i don't want to do is have to litigate this further along on the in the process okay when we get into a spitting contest lack of a better word um in whether or not you know the building is exactly is exactly what the old one was i mean there's obviously a lot of improvements to it you know it's gonna be beautiful instead of an eyesore probably okay being white you know if you're in the wintertime skiing on it you probably don't notice it you know whereas in the you know summertime you would notice it a lot more if it's brown it's going to be just the opposite so you know i just somebody else jump in here because i'm digging myself a hole and i want to be receptive to things but i also recognize that we have an obligation to do what we can to preserve the river in a certain state uh acting american council members i will note if if the the council were to to approve this there's not going to be what what you just described um there is a footprint there it's one of the conditions of approval that it stays the same footprint that has to be no site work can be done until the city engineer and the building official are out there revised plans have to be sent to the consulting planner for review there's a very well laid out process to make sure all these conditions are followed i i don't think that's going to be a concern honestly yeah i would like to see the updated plans because if we went off of some verbal stuff that you guys talked about and now we're in this situation mean it's the the permits for a repair i mean you've been doing construction for 20 years you've had to apply for permits time and time again 100 it just doesn't seem like it's a repair well we didn't ask for that we have to rebuild it when it says class of work repair brief description it says tear down existing photos and replace with new foundation size will remain somebody jump in here and make a decision so we can vote on it there is a drawing of that house on the planet i think acting their council members i'll jump in here is it um this is not a negotiation but i do want your opinion as the property owner um these are your plans would lowering that height be a hardship for you no you would be totally open to that you would be open to of course that the plans would have to be revised but lowering that to what the height the historic height was and and rebuilding this this boathouse pool house you would be open to that absolutely then i think that's an absolute consideration for the city good job kim it would be a if the council so chooses uh approval based on all the conditions in the staff report with the added condition of the uh plans for the building have to indicate the historic height of the building and all the other conditions would apply in terms of the footprint the color all of that and that would allow them to rebuild and that would not go against the dnr rules right and as one of those conditions that this is not a living space a guest house you know absolutely somebody's you know hideaway for you whatever your granddaughters may go in there yeah right yeah i can imagine um those are conditions you can't control i know well so they would mimic the 212 pitch would that be required or right so the height well the ridge height that can't exceed the old ridge height right so basically you would have a ridge pole could be no higher yeah so so with these i'm going to ask him this in there so if i made a motion to approve this what are you doing a variance or cup here it's it's both okay the the connections there but to approve the requested variances in cup basis with the six conditions with the application and the six conditions with all conditions okay as presented okay and then the additional that i'm going to get that verbiage from you the additional the condition that it's it's built to the historic yeah and that's one of them well that did not exactly this is said this one says that it's um i think it's fine if you want to go higher a little bit and pass the doesn't look like it from the riverview thing i think that's appropriate right that's what it says if you could put a number on that number three well that's the footprint the height we can't yeah but on the later on it says blizzard from the river with the dnr that that that was if it was approved as presented with this additional 10 feet yeah okay so what you're saying is we have to let's add one condition to make it real clear about the height okay that it should be the historic height historic fine okay well then i'm going to make a motion that we approve the variances in the cup based on the existing conditions listed in the draft and adding one more for the historic height uh requirement did i do it right kim yup i know what you said pressure is there a second well so we're not okay with him the applicant must demonstrate the increase in height is not visible from the river no uh we're we're not there's no increased height it's the historic historic heights it's the same height as a previous building was torn down so they're not cool yeah still looking for a second so will this be coming back before the council or no let's get a second somebody want a second this would you like i'll second it do we have to have a roll call on this all in favor hi hi hi all against hi so we have three three days and one night uh acting mayor council members the uh resolution that outlines this approval will be brought back at your next meeting under a consent agenda um it will have a resolution number but it is what it is it has been approved based on all those conditions you gentlemen are aware of the conditions you can proceed with the project um it's just a formality getting that resolution with one of them yeah with the new plans that shows the different height yep you can move forward with that guys thanks a lot and you're just considering it taking time away from your families to be here appreciate them well we're doing it for the big bucks i can tell you that yeah yeah um so just so we're everybody's on the same page here okay when you say they can go ahead doing it with the resolution that we're going to approve at our next meeting does that mean somebody's improving this you know is checking on this besides dewey what i mean is they can proceed with the new building permit with the new plants they're going to have to revise their plans we're not going to and then they're going to have to go through the the normal process things need to be submitted it's based on all the conditions the city engineer has to get out there so as as the conditions were outlined it's it's pretty clear process um mr bailon has been working very closely with the consulting planner um he's been a pleasure to work with um we will he will she'll be in touch yeah jennifer has been awesome and and yeah and the resolution coming back is just a just the paperwork it's already been approved based on the conditions so thank you for your thoughts john well i tried to be gentle um well then i guess we need to close that part of the meeting the uh and where where we can bless um we are moving on to item five which is just uh council and staff reports shall we head out you're free to go because you can certainly stay with your patients no not not in covet times hey i'm going up to quiteco next week i'm not even coming close thank you very much i really appreciate that a lot i don't think yep not a problem tim thank you roofing guy came by with your recommendation oh yeah i'm just gonna let you know you've been okay good job he is a good guy i've used him for 15 years all right so thanks a lot thank you guys real quick okay stamp updates uh my report like i said i did run into john crowe he was reviewing the streets and you know uh to uh i talked to him yesterday and he's gonna he basically he says you know john he says he's right he says i'm pretty frugal yeah taxpayers money yeah that's what he said yeah i think we all are right and you know he says if there were structural problems out there with the erodes i'd you know say that you needed to do something because i was all set for this at this meeting to you know maybe have them start doing borings and that type of stuff with the idea that we would be prepared to do quinlan and let's say lakeland shores road you know sometime in the next couple of years that type of thing and um he said you know well when i looked at the roads he says there's some especially on the new roads uh part that we've done on fourth street and over there in quinlan towards us um there's some cracks that need to be filled okay use a router to take this stuff out yeah okay uh and he said he would get a bid on that and he would get a bit on the on [Music] spray motion which is what i noticed they're doing in lakeland right now okay i ran across the truck uh along the short of it is uh you know he said uh and that's why i started talking about july's meeting he said you know you may if we get bids and you want to go ahead with them you know you probably have to have approval okay and i'm you know these bids can't be more than a couple thousand bucks a piece okay well i i mean we did most of the spray emotion last year so i you know that's why i didn't even know quinlan needs some and my street certainly needs some uh it's not like it's there's so much there's not five thousand dollars worth if there is then you know well there's fuel costs it'll be will be it'll be i think there'll be a little bounce i'm not sure yeah okay and i'm sorry because i left is that just your update this year okay let's start with my report and because we've both been talking to perotti in the last two yeah so okay long and short of it is that uh you know he said he'd get back to me with those bids and um or to kim and i i guess you can make a decision kim or i don't know what the rules are on whether i can approve it as the as i explained to people that i'm the road commissioner i say that for seashells in new hampshire they call it the road agent um so i'll give you that title too here so you know explain to me kim uh do we have to have this approved by the city council if it's under five thousand dollars yes you do yes yeah um and i call it quick meeting i spoke with john as well because um he sent out the schedule which was great uh yeah even before knowing about the the bids because i didn't know right um i was going to suggest that we changed the july meeting to the thursday prior to which is july 30th june 3rd june 30th 30th i'm sorry yes june 30th um so many people are gone for the week of the fourth of july it's very typical practice and we don't need a motion to do that just an announcement if you guys are okay with that that's fine and it works in the schedule with the seal coat the bids will be back you can approve them at that time if we want to do it you know yeah i'm fine with it okay i will get that posted on the website the other thing i was going to say is you know i don't know how many people watch us uh you know be cautious of who you hire for to help do your roof or whatever make sure they're a good reputable contractor you know i mean they descended on us like leaves i mean as i told the guys that you know i was up there blowing out my gutters yesterday and i didn't notice any damage and i'm talking the roofs are only year old and and on top of it if i was going to have somebody inspected i'd get the guy that did the roof yeah but no yeah they're all over there you can tell by their signs yeah but i haven't i got one in my yard but so i haven't had anybody bugged me because of signs yeah we put the sign in it's like a roofing contractor other than that that's i have i missed the last fireboard meeting but uh i'm sure tim will update us on that so that's all i got tom you got anything no other than the cleanup day which we kind of discussed beforehand and the four of us were there i'd come to the conclusion that the lord saint croix valley has too much junk but that's just my personal opinion and i think kate that if that's her name um you know came to the conclusion that you know i mean people are bringing they might as well be demolishing a house and having a you know a container behind them you know you gotta you know this idea that you're gonna charge 50 bucks for a trailer you know uh is ridiculous okay considering what they're bringing in these days so i think i did talk to one that one woman and she it's stuff her renters leave behind right you know that kind of thing and it's not like you know i take my stuff down to plato there and that type of thing and you know they charge you 30 40 bucks okay if for a pickup eight foot bed that's filled with junk you know but um so it's not that far off but some of them were just outrageous so there's so i think there'll be some changes some of them look like the clampetts were and i don't know if that was reflected in how much we paid that 630 dollars because that's what they were promoted to what we paid before okay that's what i thought okay because there was some question about you know obviously the more junk they take in the more trucks they've had there etc so their costs go up kudos to the teens for christ you're right yeah yeah those guys are amazing well john and tim they were out yeah i know but they aren't kings yeah i can tell um tim you done yeah yeah clean up day was a blast um at that one the city meetings that i was talking about five cities yeah the fire sydney the they want to talk about getting the cable channels back this the local ones which would be an increase in the cable and or we would pay with it from our cable distribution money but they kind of they're wondering about that so we give a little more information you've had what two or three meetings now yeah so i think that we're going to bring it up as we're having a cable meeting then to discuss it and then to see take it before the cities um i mean is are we talking here about like the 30 000 we've gotten 15 i think we're supposed to get another 15. is that the kind of money that we're supposed to be talking about no the commission i don't know what how much money we get from that a year well i mean this no but i'm talking about something totally different we got some federal money and we get 15 000. yeah but what what can that be used for and and and whether that's a what it can be used for is something that changes as as the deadline nears you know and i think that is a cable commission decision isn't it oh yeah so some of the people would like to have the four channels back to the local um so then our web hits would go down you know and everybody's gonna be able to watch every six to four so our meetings will be live uh you know right in a loop on the camera yeah well i think the other thing too and this is just my own personal experience is that i don't have cable yeah i have directv i don't have cable like you know i mean i just i if you do all right yeah i don't know yeah and and and so there i think that one of my sons has dropped his cable because he does everything streaming now and so you're you're finding their revenue is shrinking yeah i don't know i don't i i just thought all of a sudden that because the five cities were getting together and having meetings that there was some somebody had some bright idea that maybe as the five cities could actually do something with this pot of money that we've all received okay each town you know based on population uh our population by the way the email went up to 339 311. so um so i thought that was maybe the purpose of the meetings tim you know oh no i i don't think they've ever even talked about my money okay yeah it's just kind of brings up some of the things that we've talked about is getting a camera right a system for the the cities here that would help lower crime or whatnot yeah so just yeah i think that those would have been the main things in the country but the latest being the last meeting was almost specifically they had the cable company come in and it would be for comcast customers i assume then only because it would be added to their bill up to 1.51 a month but we could say well why don't we take half of the cabled money and pay to reduce that dollar 51 a month as an option is what they talked about but basically it's 1.51 per each subscriber good and uh did they indicate there'd be more meetings in the near future oh yeah i think we have them once every other month didn't it quarterly yeah every two months other than the roads which i've already discussed having talked to perroti um you know it looks like that place that we red tagged on 2nd street north um i can talk about that i happen to stop i don't know if you uh memorial day i happen to stop he was out so i talked to him for quite a bit and i i mean i talked with him years ago our sons were the same age and so it'd been a while and then i had you know i said dad probably should have stopped by and talked to you about it but he's in the progress of tearing it down he's got a dumpster he's throwing material away he's scrapping stuff and his plan is to have it done by the fall and i talked to him about that so thank you okay um yeah and it's definitely there it's one of the slower demolition products i've seen uh but you know uh it's long as long as you think it's happening yes yeah i understand that that's a that's a positive okay and so i just worry about you know whether at the pace they're going whether it actually will be done it's a little faster than glacier so and then there was the uh the thing over there at bob lynn's place which i understand uh parody is uh still on him about creating the the the rain whatever you've got a rain garden you know where he's apparently parking his truck so it's not a done deal yet but i mean he understands he has to do it but he hasn't done it yet that's on the that would be the northwest corner in the parking lot yeah okay is it the northwest or northeast well he's supposed to have two of them he's supposed to have one in the north west and one what can you i'll send you an email huh okay okay yeah um and i'm sorry that the medians look as rough as they do i i talked to simon who does all the work on him and you know basically between you and me saves the town of lakeland shores uh you know whatever we were being charged by the previous administration over there which was i know one year was seventeen hundred dollars or a third of it and um i said how come i thought you were going to spray and uh because obviously the dandelions have gotten rather large and uh apparently he was out there according to my wife he sprayed this last week and you can see that they're dying okay i'm reluctant to go out there and start picking them up even with gloves on with preen or whatever he's using roundup or that type of thing but um but you know when i get the impression that the things have died out you know we'll try to clean it up a little bit okay um but i was surprised he waited as long as he did wait yeah okay of course that's one of those two i mean my wife and i were just talking about it i mean it was you know it was still 40 degrees in the morning two weeks ago no i'm not criticizing him in any way i mean i have a good i think working relationship with simon so it works out well and other than that uh i you know sometimes and it's probably in our packet here kim but sometimes i see dumpsters at different peaceful houses and i'm not the kind to go up and knock on their door and say geez you know it looks like you're you know doing something fairly significant here you know um but if i had a better idea as to what permits were out there and i probably just called dewey yeah okay because there's there's several dumpsters around right at the moment that uh including the one over there for burton who we went and looked at his landscaping out in front of the house on the river there last fall and i don't know what's going on you're to see a lot of dumpsters with roofs being done so yeah okay and i you know i'm not going around looking for work i'm just you know i'm always kind of curious as to especially when somebody has tried to do something like what he was attempting to do and i know he's still got to do the retaining wall so i don't know yeah right okay that's it for me do we need a motion yeah go ahead and make a motion when you during the meeting i'll second it bye you