because that's not here okay thanks okay i'd like to call a lakeland shore city council meeting to order it's may 6 2021 6 30 p.m we're at the lake st croy beach city hall kim would you uh take roll call please here if you join us for the pledge of allegiance pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all her first item of business is to adopt the agenda is there a motion to adopt the agenda as presented i will make a motion to adopt the agenda as presented is there a second promotion any discussion i'll call for a vote all those in favor signify by the sign of i i i any opposed motion carries our next item of business is the consent agenda we've got three items on there item a approved monthly claims item b march 4th 2021 city council meeting minutes and item c resolution number 2021-05 ratification of the fire department is there a motion to approve the consent agenda i'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda is there a second i'll second it any discussion saying none i'll call for a vote all those in favor signify by the sign of i i in the opposed motion carries item three is public comment is there anyone here from the public that would like to make a comment i will note that we also have a public hearing regarding the consideration of ordnance number 2021-19 automobile use and if your comments are relative to that it'd probably be better if you made your comments during the the public hearing but if there's any other items that people would like to comment on now's the time to do that like what oh your name and address for the record dennis lund 16555 first street south uh wanted to pass on a compliment a member of the group that's on the food harvest that's up at either lincoln afton elementary school or recent months at embrace and uh the third saturday of each month we're there for food it's open to anyone who wants to come there and i'd like to thank uh the person sitting over there kim but i can't remember her title city clerk here we for helping get a little bit of advertising on that put on the city bulletin board i appreciate her doing that okay thank you good feedback anybody else like to comment here come on up your name and address for the record please john tetzlaff 44 quality avenue south lakeland minnesota sorry hey i'm with the yellow ribbon alliance lower sanctuary valley our website is five city yellowribbon.com and you guys are definitely part of that we help veterans and their families and their families and uh we are having our second concert benefit called the randy kapesky field of bands i think you know randy and randy's wife there and uh we would just like to get some information to you guys so you could put it on your website your little paper that goes out and and whatever we're also looking for sponsors can i hand these out certainly okay yeah we're looking for sponsors to pay for advertising and the bands and all kinds of stuff it takes a bit to put one of these things on but the uh all the funds that we raise goes to uh help local uh veterans and their families and service members um and it is september 18th for anybody i would hear anybody hear a veteran all right thank you i know tim yes nope my wife oh well thanks to your wife um but again yeah if you could just uh we'd be very interested in utilizing your website and just getting the word out there to uh to everybody because we you know we had the event a couple years ago we didn't have the turnout that we wanted but we did make money last year was cancelled we had a big show planned and uh this year we're in the planning well we're all there but we need uh we need funds so if we could uh you know utilize you guys i think we can provide a link can't we i can put it on the website if i get it okay i can get so i'll give you it do you you probably want it electronically though don't you would that be you can do it that way okay okay i can send it to you go ahead and give it to her hardcopy she said works just fine all right and we'll get it on the website thank you to support that all right thank you thank you for your hard work any other public comment i can send it all right see no other public comment we'll move into our unfinished and new business item a is a public hearing uh consideration of ordnance number 2021-19 automobile use kim i always do this wrong but you like us to make a motion to open the public hearing accept public comment close public hearing and then have council comment correct all right okay you can give a brief introduction of how you got to this point of course okay so with that said i'll make a motion that we open the public hearing is there a second oh second dude we got a tie i'll let you figure that out um i'll call for a vote to open the public hearing all those in favor aye aye any opposed or opening the public hearing so for everybody's benefit just as a little bit of background um this council struggled with an application for a car lot almost a year ago year and a half ago um and we've seen or witnessed you know raising rising concern about car lots so when u.s bank became available it seemed like there was a strong possibility that maybe we'd see an application for that so in a proactive effort we passed a moratorium in november of last year for a six-month period of time that expires this month during the past six months we've had one or two workshops and discussed it at uh at least one or two of our council meetings so currently there is no ordinance there are limited regulations other than our current zoning restrictions that apply to everything that would impact or regulate car lot so we started with a draft ordinance in fact we used lakeland's draft ordinance and went through line by line and tried to find kind of a happy medium something that would allow them in limited areas under certain conditions candidly by state statute we have to allow them we can't zone them out we have to have uh a place for them in our city so with that said all that hard work is boiled down into our draft uh are are these available do we have copies of these public packet over there so there's information over there the specific ordinance and that's what we're going to be receiving comments on this evening and then we'll be closing the public hearing and the council can decide if they want to take action this evening or not but our six-month deadline is this month so with that said public hearing is open anybody that would like to speak kim mr mayor council members i will just note for the public um that moratorium does end tomorrow i believe it was your first meeting in november it was for six months so regardless it will expire um and then a note to the public that on the draft there was one mistake made and under item h it should state the maximum area permitted for outside storage of automobiles shall not exceed 25 cars so i just wanted to make that clear thanks kim so anybody that would like to comment on the draft ordinance if you would please approach the podium give your name and address for the record and make your comments there's also a sign-in sheet so i can get your spelling correctly thank you who would like to comment come on up don't be shy dennis correct sir okay so what am i here for we're talking about it uh thank you for the effort you're putting into this ordinance i'm really glad to see you use the lakeland one as a model don't know much about ordinances but that's uh seems to be pretty comprehensive and you guys got a tough job to balance what we feel and what giving businesses a chance to make money and provide jobs to people so specific to the ordinance i do have a couple of questions comments concerns looking at section a number four the lot area we're proposing a one-acre minimum dennis who's we uh we sorry the city council okay i just want to make sure that good good point okay um so we're proposing a single one acre minimum um i'm a little concerned about that as i look at the county assessors website since we allow lots to be combined there could be somewhere in the neighborhood of six or maybe even seven car dealers that would be allowed under the wording in this ordinance um so lakeland half is a two acre minimum i'd like us to consider making that as a possible change uh also in that same section lakeland uses a 50 coverage of impervious surfaces for buildings and roadways etc i'm not sure why we're asking for 65 as a maximum the next one is uh this lakeland again uses a side setback that's different than ours and we'd like to consider looking at what they're using granted they're a different geography they got different concerns and restrictions etc but i'd like you to consider those three things i'm sorry what was the third thing the third one was the setback of 150 so for the side setback specifically that's pretty tough to do so i'm not quite sure how we can make that one fly but if you're gonna ask for the move ask for it ask for the moon you know um and lakeland also has a comment on a maximum number of car dealers in the city they are allowing four currently and the console as i understand it can in their last meeting minutes say that they can change that number if they feel a need to you know none of these things are written installed we can change them as we learn more and go into the future um and let's see so the max one the last i think point i've got is uh do we wanna does this ordinance should this ordinance have something in there talking about what whether it does or does not apply to the existing car dealer i mean they've got a business there they're established i think the term is grandfathered i'm sure the lawyer will be unhappy with that name but they're there and established i don't know that we want to try to put any of this new ordnance stuff on them that's all i've got okay thank you additional comments come on up don't be shy sure right right now joe scherbanetko 16280 18th street south in lake sacred beach i own and run the property at 145 the existing car dealer i've gone through some of these requirements on here and you know yeah i need to make sure that we're going to be able to operate the way we are okay so that's a fair concern thanks joe yep mr mayor council members will be signing in i'll just note that uh any ordinances that were to go into effect tonight or in the future do not apply to existing laws those are called non-conforming uses and they are not required to come up to this ordinance okay additional comments welcome hi my name is roger torning i live right next door to the bank and i'm opposed to a car lot because if you've seen the one on the north end of the of town it's full of junk and i'm worried about my property values and who's going to maintain and make sure it's kept up in the way the bank did and the bank started putting a a wall or a wall there and it doesn't go the full length and i don't want to stare out at a car lot for a bunch of junk so i'd like to know if they're going to be required to extend that wall the full length if they are allowed plus i'm kind of concerned about my property values and in this small city i don't realize i don't know why we need five or six car lots that's pretty hard for me to understand okay thanks for your comments additional comments come on hi my name is reggie kopesky and i live at second street south so i'm kind of kidding quarter from the bank um i am not in favor of the car lot moving on to the bank property we are lucky to have little kids now moving into our community i don't think we need additional traffic and that is a safety concern for me and i i appreciate your comment i just want to clarify we're not talking about a specific property um i did start the comment that that's what prompted the initial uh moratorium but we're talking about the city as a whole so all commercial properties right now we're not in receipt of an application of a specific application so this is really an ordinance that impacts the entire commercial district okay kind of assuming that's okay okay sorry about that it's easy to be concerned mr mayor council members i will just point out for the public that if in fact an application comes in we will go through the same process there will be a public hearing um will be no no neighbors will be notified um a conditional use permit is a means that the city uses to permit a use that is based on conditions for an example finishing the fence that's certainly in the council's power to do that thank you additional comments welcome there's a seller council and concerned residents my name is william k uh i live at 180 saint croix trail south for those of you who don't know me i operate lucky dog raj in lakeland and for the last five years i've operated saint croix classics in lakeland minnesota a little bit nervous there's so many faces that i know here so i i am buying the bank um i've operated saint paul classics as i stated for five years my objective in doing this is twofold it's obviously to run a business provide for my family grow a family and grow alongside of our community the community that i grew up in so i am not a foe of the community that i grew up in i'm certainly willing to work with the council and the concerned residents in our area to make sure that we are meeting standards and requirements but also exceeding those things so i will be maintaining uh that property just as a quick point here uh in the last in the last uh march meeting in lakeland one of the uh council members did not know who we were where we were located or what we were doing and i've been there for five years most of our uh customer base drives right past us and for the longest time a majority of lakeland residents didn't know where we were at there has been no accidents since inception really yeah i don't want to cut you off that's okay but i don't want this to be specific to one person or an application especially since we don't have an application yep i just want to talk about the ordinance i appreciate that is there anything in the ordinance yes you have concerns with yeah so thank you for letting me say it i'm happy to talk to you guys afterwards or throughout our time here um the the only uh uh question i had it wasn't necessarily a concern right regarding the ordinances as a point of clarification is simply how the setback uh came into um uh came into existence because if i can recall request correctly and perhaps uh mayor zeller you could clarify this but i think it was previously a 15-foot setback from the center line of the main highway and i think that same setback has applied to most of our businesses on sank right trail for quite some time so that that that's just the only point of clarification regarding the ordinance that i wanted to have a better understanding of as we do invest and continue to invest in our community thank you so for everyone's benefit i'm making a short list here of of the concerns and after the public hearing after we've received everybody's comments the council it's my intention that we would address each of those individually and see if we can come to a consensus so i'm not ignoring the questions as they're being brought forward brian can i ask billy did you say you did purchase the bank yes we're closing at it in a couple weeks who was the listing agent um you know i can't remember actually i'm kind of pumped up right now guys it's a big investment for us i think it was cole years uh cushman wakefield i didn't see it for sale but sometimes they don't do that yeah and that that didn't happen so that was not a for sale okay thank you thank you any other comments i'd like to second the his setback question okay i'm only answering it once though [Laughter] any other comments we did have a couple of written comments i forwarded those to the clerk so that they can be made a part of the public record yes there was a comment from carolyn baker and dan pankman at 166 333 2nd street south and she asked the city to not end the moratorium on car lots she's lived a block away from the u.s bank location for almost two years it's very peaceful safe and they love it there and they just strongly oppose having any additional car lots in the area and just implored the council to not um end the moratorium and then there was one that came in today tom and judy savage that one no this was carolyn i know the second one i thought i sent you tom and judy's average one it was similar that they uh they have a copy of it here you want to read it here tom uh this is from tom of judy savage i think they live on what is it lakeland shores road lake matures road judith and i are opposed to the expansion or edition of any new and or used car lots in the city of lakeland shores short sweet and done you want this yes uh and then one more came in today from joe franzik i did not get the address he mentioned that after the required setbacks buffer zones retention basins and employee and customer parking are accounted for perhaps one acre plots are too small for these operations no other written comment that's all i have okay last call for comments i'd make a motion that would close the public hearing is there a second i'll second it call for a vote all those in favor of closing the hearing hi any opposed hearings closed we'll limit discussion as much as reasonably possible small town here we can bend the rules a little bit but council we all had a chance to hear uh some comments and concerns if you don't mind i'll just go down the list we'll talk them through one by one number of acres we currently in our draft have one acre as a minimum there are other elements to that minimum lot width which is 150 feet our pervious impervious surface which is another one of the concerns is 65 percent that's consistent with our 65 percent throughout the commercial district that's where that number came from so from my point of view i'd rather stay consistent um but that's for for discussion but that's where the 65 percent came from so thoughts on number of acres i was wondering what do you know what the existing car lot how big a lot that is that's on two there's two parcels there which this ordinance coordinates contemplates that they can be considered one if they're under the same ownership and i believe each one is approximately three-quarters of an acre according to the okay so just over just over one as an example and i did check and i believe that your that your use would be your lot would meet the requirements of this draft ordinance i did look at that but as the clerk indicated you would be grandfathered so you wouldn't be impacted uh by this okay any thoughts on acres knowing that that one was 1.09 i believe the bank is 1.75 again not wanting to be specific to any one property we can come back to it perviousness setback that was a concern 150 feet i think would be virtually impossible most lot widths that i looked at quickly on the county gis maybe 50 percent of them in lakeland shores are meet the 150 requirement and when i look at the number that are under the same or uh ownership that could be combined to meet the 150 i believe that's only two parcels that that comes into play and they both need to be combined to meet the 150. not an exact science but so i think 150 foot setback would be impossible frankly on both sides that would mean you'd have to be 301 feet wide to have a one foot wide car lot so but you know certainly the 15 feet is something that can be talked about the front yard setback i give john credit for we were trying to determine and keep it as simple as possible you know there was discussion of do you want to go from the center of the county road do you want to go from the property line do you want to go from um the uh not not easement yeah i'm i'm coming to our our simple solution um or do we want to use the bike path because the bike path is very clearly defined and easy to measure from so john went out and checked some distances and um john do you want to comment on what you found yeah just basically roughly after our last city council meeting i the next day i went out and measured from the bike path to let's say the curb at the bank parking lot there and it was 25 feet approximately it's maybe 23 where you come around in back of the building and it it gets a little bit closer to the bike path but it was uh i believe i measured at 23. i went down and measured it the shores shiners no shorts um and that was about 20 feet there uh from the bike path i went down to shiners measured there the northern part of that parking lot's closer but the rest of it is at least 20 feet or more okay uh you know the big parking lot not just in front of the building not just in front of the building okay that one is close what the gravel one's closer yeah so um we just felt when we you know and discussing it at the last meeting that it was just easier to come off the bike path than it would be to try to figure out the center of the road and and the rest of it was just right away and more right away ends and all those funny things so trying to keep it simple so that was the logic behind the 20 feet yeah it was more in keeping with what's already there as far as the shores parking lot and um you know i can't imagine them but maybe mr k would would indicate you know i mean if he's gonna increase the asphalt uh you know five feet uh the cost of that and removing the curb and everything else would be fairly significant i think if he wanted to get within 20 okay as compared to 25 but um thanks john i appreciate you going out and doing that measurement that was helpful um maximum number of lots we had not discussed that in our in our workshop nobody raised that as a concern or even introduce the idea i go back to my days when i was mayor of lakeland and there was talk of another convenience store coming to town and at that particular time i recall it was the advice of our attorney that we couldn't limit the number of any one business again because i hadn't heard that issue we didn't reach out to our attorney on that this evening but you know we're going back into into my memory that's not as good as it used to be but when we were dealing with a proposed second gas station that was proposed and it was the advice of the then lakeland attorney that we couldn't do that so that's how i would base my comments unless um you know people feel otherwise if we want to leave that as a question mark or if we want to kim had pointed out if this is past it it's not cast in concrete it's not cast in stone we can revise it uh as need be or as issues present themselves that weren't contemplated here tonight john i hate to put you on the legal spot do you have an opinion on that no i think if mr magnuson gave you one that probably is as good as you're going to get i want to say it was mr verling from uh from ekberg lammers was the attorney back when we did that one in lakeland so mr council members i'll just add to that and i've never seen a specific business limited the number i i will note that the number of liquor licenses can be limited to a certain city of certain populations but that is regulated by the state yeah and that state statute yep okay um so the next item that i had heard was screening and there is specific language in here uh regarding screening and i just i don't know that you've had the benefit of seeing this but i'll i'll just read it to you um and i guess before i read it i'll point out or reiterate what the clerk indicated when a specific application comes forward a public hearing would need to be held before a conditional use permit would be granted so that would be something that should be reiterated at the time you know as a concern but the ordinance draft ordinance says a screen shall be erected and maintained along all property lines separating institutional residential dwelling or business and professional office districts or uses the screening required in this section shall not be less than five feet in height may be a combination of vegetation or fencing and must be evergreens so that's the proposed language that that's being contemplated but it does address screening it's not specific it does not require one or the other it can be a combination of vegetation and or fencing traffic traffic uh was something that we discussed at the previous application and was probably one of the better points that i thought was was brought to our attention that test drives were occurring through the neighborhood which hadn't even occurred to me and we asked the applicant at the time to to stop doing that and they willingly agreed to that and near as i can tell you're complying to that i haven't had a complaint to that effect but that i thought that was a fair concern you know traffic through the residential area that was fair traffic on county road 18 that's what county road 18 was designed for was was traffic so it's difficult for us to regulate county road 18 but but we we do have some say as it relates to the inner community roads and i think that was all the issues so i did all the talking if other council members would like to chime in that would be great should we go down the line to make it easy start with tim on the end tom do you have comments um he's doing some quick math here uh just based on some of the requirements and on the acre size it's close to get all those setbacks and all that other stuff and and on my scribbling math here but an acre can do it i mean but a lot depends upon the shape of the lot too but you know uh from that perspective the setbacks are dealing with that you know so as far as making it bigger yeah we could make it bigger but i i really hate to get into a specific number you know kind of thing at whatever we do it's gonna it's gonna cause some kind of problem uh i'm comfortable with the acre but like i said it's close it's tight i appreciate that comment i think the more important issue from my point of view was the lot width exactly so that we're not pushing those back into the lot right and and back into the neighborhoods so from my point of view the 150 feet was more important the back yeah you're absolutely right i mean if you're looking for a buffer which is what you're talking about yeah john no nothing biggest thing i was looking at i was looking at the county website with the aerial photo photo of it and that particular parcel whatever business goes in there is going to be challenging and limiting and basically whoever goes in there is probably going to be used in the existing footprint i would imagine footprint of the parking lot or the probably the parking lot so i would probably have some comments on that but i don't want to be specific yeah so i think when an application comes forward that would probably be the time to to talk about that but um yeah you know i i get it for whatever reason parking lots or car lots are not very popular i get it but our community has struggled to fill its community its commercial space we we have a number of properties that have struggled we have a mall that was you know beautifully renovated that hasn't been able to fill its base and you know why are they interested in coming to our community probably in part because it's a permitted use but the other side of it is there must be demand i mean they're people are coming here and people are buying cars which is something we all have so for me i i've said it from day one i don't want to see blow up gorillas on the roof of buildings and i don't want to see flags all over the place and you know it's it's some of those things that i think are more offensive in my eyes um so as low-key as possible and addressing the specific concerns that are raised in our comments and in the ordinance i think i think we've reached a reasonable compromise in my opinion but again it can be revisited thoughts well it it i'll repeat what you said a while back brian and it's just just for everybody's our job is not to pick a winner and loser here right our job is to try to get something that everybody can live with and that's what our attempt is and is everybody going to get everything they want i can guarantee you that's not going to happen but is everybody going to get something they can live with i certainly hope that's what the outcome is i'm good so uh if we could limit comment something something quick correct yes is that set at the time too should i come yeah just not to get in the weeds here but you'd have to apply there'd have to be a public hearing you'd have to go through the whole process and i think you get a feel for what the appetite might be on on improving that so quick yes sir uh comment uh lakeland city specifically has a maximum number of car dealers listed in their ordinance and i believe that's a recently approved ordinance so apparently they got different legal advice now or recently than you did some years ago they actually have that listed in the ordinance granted there are differences yeah and you know as long as we're talking about somebody else's ordinance had that been enforced three of the four car lots wouldn't have been approved they allow four at this point but i'm saying three of them don't meet the requirements of that ordinance you're correct so an ordinance is only as good as the enforcement of the ordinance but the zoning administrator at the time didn't follow the ordinance so part of why you have four dealerships in that community is because they didn't follow the ordinance the zoning administrator didn't so side note and that's why we're doing this and that's why we're doing this so um kim did i get myself out of order here was our first item of business b to actually deal with the repeal of the moratorium the first order of business is to consider the new ordinance so i am confused then so what's item c summary publication of ordinance 2021-19 uh american council members with if in fact this new ordinance is approved uh it has to be published in the paper okay so it's done by resolution it's authorization to publish a summary of this new ordinance as opposed to the whole ordinance so our next action item if the council chooses is to approve or deny the draft ordinance correct okay any thoughts additional comments what would you like to do it's not popular so i guess i'll do it i'll make a motion that we approve the ordinance number 2021-19 automobile use i would like to clarify that there was one correction to the draft and that's on item h and that the total number of cars under entering any circumstances for sale will not exceed 25. is there a second a second any discussion kim would you like that by roll call or yes okay would you mind taking roll calls council member wilson aye member shaw hi council member hi mayor ziller hi thank you our next item's consideration ordinance number 2021-20 repeal of ordinance number 2020-20 moratorium on car lots i'll make a motion that we repeal that which is due to expire tomorrow is there a second oh second any discussion call for a vote all those in favor signify with sign of i i any opposed motion carries item c consideration resolution number 2021-04 summary publication ordinance number 2021-19 and that is specific to the publication of the new ordinance correct and then what just for everybody's information myself included how long does that need to be published and how long before the adopted ordinance goes into effect it's ten days after publication in your legal newspaper okay i will move item c as presented is there a second second discussion call for a vote all those in favor signify with the sign of i i any opposed motion carries item d consideration of spray patching quote john well we had extensive discussion last city council meeting in which we talked about the possibility of redoing some of the roads in lakeland shores and i was directed to talk to the city engineer john perotti to get his feel for what it was that we might do or may not do we had also listed specific roads that we were interested in perhaps doing and um so i got together sometime in the last month with mr perotti we walked for approximately an hour and a half on the streets looking at the condition of the roads that were in question and it was his opinion and i don't believe i'm speaking out of line here at all that what we were considering at this point was perhaps something that we should put off for several years most of these roads that we're looking at were done sometime between 1999 and 2001 i believe i'm not exactly sure what the dates were the roads were talking about i believe were lakeland shores road um third street between quinnell and coyote there was also i believe uh second street maybe and there were four total yeah second street and um can i interrupt you sure so we have a list of the roads they're rated we review them every year john reviews them with the engineer we rate the roads and we put them in priority who's what road is next to be repaired mill overlay or replaced and we were looking at the amount of money that has been saved over the last 10 years and it's a sizable amount of money are we smart to tackle those roads now and do it as a larger project and hopefully get a better price or as john was just mentioning after he reviewed it with the engineer the engineer said you know they're not great but they're not to the point where you really need to spend the money so why don't you look at continuing to patch and maybe do some spray patching which has been pretty effective extend the life of the road continue to build your reserves and hold off a few years every year we wait is another year that we got out of that road that we've already paid for once and another year that we'll get out of the road after we replace it so we're trying to balance that well i couldn't have put it any better so yeah you could have um but anyhow um truly in my conversations with the city engineer in the hour and a half i was with him um um he actually hit upon it which was you know sometimes cities want to spend the money they have because citizens their constituents look on and they say well what are they doing with 450 000 sitting there and we're not getting a brand new road and he says sometimes the city council mayors feel that kind of pressure okay because the money may be there we weren't thinking any way of spending that much money but um and so i think he kind of as far as i'm concerned speaking for myself only he kind of hit the nail on the head that perhaps we were rushing this a little bit and that perhaps we should think of the spray of motion patching which if they did it uh this year um which you could do right away they gave us a bid of five thousand one hundred dollars approximately um on the other hand i could call up tri county and have them come up and uh put a little tar in each hole and which doesn't last anywhere near as long but it's probably half the price i didn't get a quote on that from from ben from tri county but um it was i guarantee it would be half the price last year we actually received quite a few free patching right the vendor wasn't quite sure where the borders were so we got some free patching done but to your point it doesn't last as long it's all most of it's gone already right and most of what's missing is there's about three quarters of an inch that seems to be peeling off and you know it's not the type that's going to ruin your shock absorber but you know cosmetically if you're having to be walking or biking it doesn't look particularly attractive there's some on second street there and a little dip before you head up the hill which is really pock marked which is a little bit different okay and but generally speaking that was his feeling that we should probably get a few more years out of the road and i think one of the thoughts i had was okay we could put the asphalt in there instead of the spray emulsion and have him go ahead and get bids and that type of stuff but whenever we call up john and he's a great engineer he's very good um it costs us money okay and to me to do it before we're ready to actually act on it you know just the idea that we might want to act on it is you know probably not a good use of our tax dollar so you know one time when i was thinking about i thought well we could do the asphalt and have john do the core sampling and getting the bids that type of thing or we could just go with a spray motion and see how long we can get this to stretch out and get the most bang for our buck as far as um you know longevity you know 25 years instead of let's say 20 years that type of thing that most these roads are going so so would that be your recommendation my recommendation would be to as much as i hate to spend five thousand dollars uh would be to do the spray motion uh with the idea that uh you know it's gonna take care of the problem for this year and maybe if we did it again next year but it's a whole lot better than spending 250 thousand dollars i think prematurely okay so if i look at that we're just we're doing all the streets except for first and fourth street correct right and so looking at the number that we have here i mean let alone just the cost of john putting a package together probably cost more than spray patch i would imagine yeah to put a bid packet together yeah yep it was really good news actually yeah other than my son who has a long board was wanting me to fix talk to john about fixing them just tell him to go to fourth street that's brilliant why does it go down to the bike trail one of the problems with spray emotion is it has a you know they put oil in it they spray it and then they put this kind of a trap rock yeah right and you know for those people that want to spin their tires it's kind of something that is pretty easy to do on that i remember the last time we did it i got several complaints legitimate you know that it was dangerous for bicycles that type of thing but one of the things that the process of spray motion does is the longer you leave that on there uh the better the patch job is so in other words you could do it and then two weeks later get the street sweeper in there you know to take it off but it would you know it wouldn't do the job that you want to do so we have to live a little bit with the fact that there's going to be you know loose gravel on the road and if you're riding your bicycle you're going to have to be a little careful when you go around the corner or a motorcycle john i appreciate all the hard work you did on this well it wasn't hard it was enjoy it was a beautiful day for a for the public i walk want to point out that a good package was not put together for this right no quotes had to be received right it wasn't specifications or anything like that you just have to get a couple of quotes due to the cost i think he was indicating the cost of doing the formal bid packet for the road improvement yes i'm sorry yeah but no it's fine that would clarify it so with that said i'll make a motion that we uh are we doing the border streets on the north side then or not like third and the other one there it's it's everything except for fourth and second second okay the border streets there we've got we only own half the road yeah there's actually a i blocked that one that's where john and i started and and there's there's very little there that is if anything there's the intersection of quinlan and 2nd street north that's a little rough uh most the streets on the north end of town probably because the mayor and i live there uh are in better shape except for right in front of our houses okay um but you know i happen to have a leftover bag of stuff from menards asphalt and i patched the one myself two days ago on uh between uh quinlan between cornell and coyote there was just one there and uh there's a couple there's one right by mr roby's mailbox that drives me nuts every time i go buy it but um you know there really except for lakeland george road on the north side of town there is not that much to do okay um so i'll make a motion that we uh cost not to exceed five thousand fifty two dollars and fifty cents for the uh spray emulsion patching is there a second i'll second that additional discussion did i get the impression from kim that we would have to get additional bids because no no no this is a maintenance item too and it's under 10 000. so i'll call the question all those in favor signify that sign of i i those opposed motion carries we'll move into council and staff reports kim do you have anything mayor council members i don't have anything thank you uh council member schroeder did we have somebody here from the fire department on this we approved that as part of the consent agenda uh no i don't okay mr wilson uh spring cleanup what belt thanks thanks to the guys who showed up uh helped and uh i i was maroni did a really good job they moved trucks in and out of there and and uh and i've come to the conclusion that our three communities have junk we're quite good at it we're fortunate that lakeland invited us to participate again they're the ones that spearhead that effort yeah um and it really is by invitation so we should say a thank you to lakeland for that there was one year we were where we weren't invited and we missed it so councilman manhattan oh yeah i'd also say like what tom said there the cleanup bay went well and marooney's did an excellent job and they had their guys out there too helping and they had a really good turnout for that great john just a couple of things uh just a reminder uh fourth street's gonna have basically a coat of oil spread on it uh sometime after lakeman captain lakeland school gets out for the summer it's just a preventative thing that's done one year after you do what we did last year would be done in a day there's some controversy about probably 15 minutes as far as i'm concerned but there's some controversy about the uh you know the crosswalk and how we're gonna do that whether we're gonna get out there with our paintbrushes or any people want to get out there but um and then uh i think you should all be aware of the fact that county road 18 is going to have a major disruption and i think tom indicated to me that there was a sign already outside in vapor warning everybody and i think it's september 8th it's starting but it's going to create you know uh people with you know that are waving you through with flags if you happen to live in the community that type of thing it's not going to be so bad for those of us that can cut into lakeland and get there but for the people on the southern end of town could be a problem they want to redirect traffic up onto stagecoach and everything else but i it's my understanding that that may be in their mind the fast way to do it okay to go by stagecoach but most of us will have the opportunity to you know be stopped by the flag person and then waved ahead and but that's going to happen sometime and it's not going to be a total redone like as they did under the bridge there on the 94 bridge but it's going to be fairly significant okay you know that's about it anybody that wants to help me weed the medians step forward now and so you know i it's something i enjoy doing but um you know and i don't want a lot of people out there being run over but it's something that simon worth myself generally did we did last year and it's something that is going to need it again this year so yes dennis have you selected the date for what we need well i usually do it by eyeball you know as i'm driving along and i i see you really have to catch them in the act because there's been volunteers and he just does it himself it's just you know boasting it's all you know thank you do good job thanks um i think the only thing i really have to report on is the wmo we had a regular meeting um there's some work on a one watershed one plan that's happening at a statewide level uh it's premature to really comment on it but it should benefit our organization as a whole and how grants are allocated to uh to our or our wmo um the other thing is that it just came to my attention through an article in the paper that the entire saint croix river basin which you know is far and wide from the river it especially gets wider up north that that that they're contemplating adding that to what's called a national heritage area and the the general principle is that it's gonna expand tourism uh to the natural to history and to the tribal activity to the river activity et cetera et cetera and it's supposed to be a collaboration with all the communities in the basin but i raised it at the wmo which involves 10 communities and none of us had heard of it so it's a little bit of a concern until i learn more about it what is it and how does it impact us so if anybody has any information on that or has an interest in you know digging into it i think i i'd like to i'd like to have more knowledge of it if it potentially impacts us outside of that i'm done is there a motion to adjourn i'll make a motion to adjourn there a second all those in favor aye aye we're adjourned thanks for coming to everybody you