brian so much so ready okay i'd like to call the november 12 2020 uh lakeland shore city council meeting to order uh kim would you mind taking roll call uh pledge of allegiance please i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all our next item is adopting the agenda is there a motion to adopt the agenda as presented adopt the agenda as presented i second the motion some motion in a second any discussion call for a vote all those in favor signify by the sign of i hi hi any nays our next item is the consent agenda we have three items on there item a is approved monthly claims item b is august 6 2020 city council meeting minutes and item c is canvas of election is there a motion to approve the consent agenda an agenda i will second that there's been a motion and a second any discussion and call for a vote all those in favor of approving the consent agenda signified by the sign of i i i any names carries our next item is public comments is there anyone that's joining us this evening that would like to make a comment and if so if i could ask you to go to the microphone and give your address for the record and feel free to share with us what you'd like to share with us well they don't always come uh i guess i had uh i'd mentioned to the sheriff that i thought it would be a good idea for them to be here but if they get a call or something then they don't come or we see him a little bit later but i did specifically call the sheriff and talk to him after you and i had spoken but um if you'd like to share anything with us now that'd be great what do you want me to do over here uh just say your name and address for the record my name is sue haynes from 313 quinlan avenue south and i specifically wanted to discuss if there's a problem around here in regards to burglaries or robberies or break-ins or whatever and the i've i've requested a police report which i have not received so other than um the officers the evening of the robbery i've not spoken to anybody other than the county attorney sue do you mind just for everybody's benefit you don't have to tell the the full story but your home was broken into and there was an attempted robbery and and that's what you're referring to yes i'm not sure everyone in the room is aware of it it was the night of october 21st and and i know we had left our side service door to our garage unlocked as we've been residents here for 40 years and the person went through my car and proceeded to walk right into our house up the stairs it's a split entry and proceeded to take the cell phone off of the counter as he walked down into our bedroom and right into our bedroom and pulled a laptop off of the desk and of course all the things that are attached fell and that's what woke both of us up and mike jumped up and chased him out of the house so i don't know i i would be interested to know if these are local people that are that that you're having trouble with or are these people coming from minneapolis and i don't know they they were on foot i'm looking for some answers um i can i can just repeat what i was told but i think the fact that you haven't received a copy of the report that seems like a reasonable request so i don't know can we request a copy of the report and get it to her uh we need numbers what do you mean you have the case number yeah i do at home i didn't breathe with me yeah you should be able to do that right well and we've we have we've applied for it in writing and not gotten anything and we've had the first hearing with the 18 year old then there was a 17 year old that was arrested and released to his mother the very next day i don't know if these are local people or what information will be redacted on the police report they're minors okay minor stuff they don't tell us anything and there is no address listed on the the 18 year old i was told they were local for what it's worth charming yeah um i was told that it was somebody that's been on the radar screen in the past um they caught them quickly from what you shared and what i was told um but it i would i got the impression it was more of an isolated incident than it was uh a recurring problem in the community well they had tried to get in to the house across the street right they had tried to lift windows or something at nick meister that same evening yep lakeland auto sales had um cars either vandalized or broken into that night okay well you should be able to follow the defender for years and you should be able to find out who the county attorney is that's represent not you know is charging this if they've been charged and it should be a burglary in the first degree since the people were at home okay and generally speaking it calls for a mandatory sentence of uh four years in prison for the adult okay which they serve about two-thirds of it doesn't mean that that's what he's going to plead guilty to but generally speaking and if you're really i mean i was burglarized once in halfton same type of situation although i never knew it till the next morning i realized my truck was gone um that um you know they're going to need you either with a victim statement the county attorney that is so there should be no problem with finding out you know who the county attorney is that's been assigned to okay and in washington county and if you're getting any problems with it call up pete orbit he's the you know most political person i know and um he certainly will probably uh you know do what he can do to make sure that you get that information we we were notified about a first hearing it lasted two minutes and it went to omnibus you're right and that's december 3rd but um we're still shook yeah i bet you are yeah and you know when is that december 3rd so there should be a victim advocate that's calling you from the well i know they may not have gotten to yet but there should be a victim advocate calling you because you don't know what's going to happen at the oh and therefore um it's always possible that a plea could be entered it's not generally speaking where a plea is entered so you know get a little pushy call call call the county attorney peter okay see what he has to say okay i know the guy's still in jail and it's a sixty thousand dollar yeah it's a serious charge i mean it's one thing a burglary too where nobody's at home yeah but burglary won you know the guidelines we covered our stuff county had it for about three weeks so yeah what's your address again 313. 313. quinlan avenue south thank you thank you for coming and sharing your story so that we're all aware thank you anybody else from the public welcome hello denisland 16555 first street south and a couple of comments first of all uh i appreciate the the way the whole council mr mayor participated in the last election just finished that was a very nice to see our local government in action communicating and so far that was very nice uh second item is has any thought been given to having remote access available zoom or go to meeting or something like that for council meetings especially during the pandemic to increase public participation i can answer that um okay and then i hope is it a coincidence that you're here because we're going to talk about a short-term moratorium on auto dealers uh i'm not sure how you'd find coincidence but yes that's the main reason for my presence okay all right um i know that's an issue that's important to you so i wanted to make sure that you stayed for that um but we were approached by uh the city of lake saint roy beach and asked if we would allocate some of the uh the cares is that the carrier cares act uh funding that we received from the county and apply it towards improving their audio visual system and then it's my understanding that the new technology will allow you to live stream the meetings i don't know if it will allow any interaction between watching it at home and and what's taking place here but it's my understanding you're going to be able to live stream livestream is one thing but my main interest is to be able to something's going on here that i can respond to the console and you mr mayor in a timely fashion i don't know if it has that ability don do you know i just talked to david this morning i don't know any more than you would have at this point okay that's just a request for future consideration that's sure yeah i you know frankly i've never seen anybody other than if it's on a zoom meeting which we haven't had we haven't held any of those um we've been doing it in this format because we generally draw a pretty small crowd right but yeah i'll ask lake saint croix beach if there's going to be that ability okay thank you yeah you're welcome anybody else would you like to introduce yourself oh yeah just approach the uh the podium there if you would yeah hello i'm tim hatton i'm the new council member my guest in elect and i live in lakeland shores obviously on third street in lenny bozo's old house the old mayor oh yeah so i didn't realize that was uh an old mayor's house yeah lenny yeah he was the first mayor for like 35 years in england shores yeah cool or so that's what i heard welcome i did clarify with the clerk prior to the meeting that your term is officially from starts in january so you'd be sworn in in january with everybody else but i i think we can if you would get kim your contact information we can start copying you on some info okay just so that you're uh kind of up to speed on what's going on okay we're pretty fortunate that it's a small community so there's not a tremendous amount of stuff going on all right but look look forward to having you being a part of the group yep thanks thank you any other public comments we'll move on to unfinished business uh item a consideration of resolution number 2020-09 the 2021 final budget neil would you like to comment sure uh this was there's really no changes from what we previously discussed with regard to the budget uh in terms of total expenditures we're looking at total expenditures about three thousand dollars greater than last year however the bulk of that seventy five percent of that is in the way of a transfer to the street improvement fund so our levy is going up by proposed levy is going up by 4 800 the bulk of that increase is really going to go into the street improvement fund and that continues to you know to build and uh you know in anticipation of future projects so it's instead of having it be a lump sum where assessing residents you know the city will be able to you know pretty much pay cash plus avoid going into the debt market incurring interest costs so from memory we're just under a three percent increase and the lion's share of that increases to continue to bolster our street fund correct okay any comments or questions from council is there a motion uh to adopt that resolution i'll make that motion is there a second i second the motion kim would you like to do that by roll call councilmember schroeder yes councilmember wilson yes council member bishop mayor ziller hi our next item's consideration of resolution number 2020-10 2021 final letter anything to comment there uh just as i said before the levy's going up by 4 800 which is 3 with the bulk of that will be transferred into the street improvement fund so that brings our total annual uh general fund budget to 165 300. correct okay and anytime we talk about the budget can you just how are we looking year to date i'm assuming you're actually doing very very well i would think we're going to be under budget you know i sure i i mean i look at it and we had the you know building permit fees the portion that the city keeps uh we're up 2 500 okay you know we had in the budget funds for legal services and assessor and we have paid out zero uh the other thing and unless we have a huge snowstorm uh or a big street improvement bill uh coming up in the netherlands and i i don't foresee it you know we've run considerably under budget for you know for streets and drainage so with those i was looking at it and we could probably come in in the 20 000 range under budget oh wow that's good and that's uh that's not including the cares act money that is not including the care exact money which is something we'll be talking about correct okay um i'd make a motion that we adopt that resolution for the final levy is there a second i'll second it any discussion you call for uh roll call kim council member schroeder yes councilmember wilson yes council member bishop yes mayor zeller aye resolutions adopted thank you thanks for all your hard work on that uh item c here is public hearing kim should i just go ahead and call the public hearing to order uh yeah we need a motion in a second to open that public hearing anyone can speak on the uh proposed ordinance and then uh close it up and then you guys can discuss it afterwards so i'd make a motion that we call the public hearing to order is there a second uh call for a vote all those in favor of here of opening the public hearing do you mind introducing the uh ordinance kim and then we'll accept public comment i do not mind at all before you mayor and council members is an ordinance to place an interim uh temporary moratorium on autumn on automobile lives in the city and directing a study to be conducted it does have to be done by ordinance it's like i said temporary it's for a six-month term the moratorium does not have to go the entire six months but this will allow the council to take a look at your zoning and your current ordinance your land use in terms of car lots in the past we've had some amended cps and uh public hearings where people uh we're kind of upset about more car lots in the cities so adopting this ordinance would allow you time just to take a look at it perhaps amend your current land use add some performance standards put limits on it would anybody like to comment during the public hearing on the proposed ordinance anybody if i ask you to come back to the podium you bet dennis london 16555 first street south very brief proposed ordinance and i understand it's an interim temporary sort of thing so um not a lot of detail and that's what the study is going to help us figure out if we want to proceed with more something more permanent um it's for six months is that something that can be extended after that time if we aren't having figure out what we want to do at that point um it can go up to a year but um i'm a procrastinator so if i put it out there a year we won't get to it until 11 months and two weeks so i thought it'd be more appropriate to start with six months okay sounds good so i should set my calendar for some time in april well yeah well one would just bit kim kim's awfully good she's not a procrastinator but i am so okay um are there currently any applications in process process or is anyone applied for uh my understanding no is that accurate kim that is accurate today okay uh although i have had inquiries okay there's a difference between an inquiry and somebody putting money down saying i want to apply absolutely if somebody uh if there was an application in the works their application would move forward even though we're putting a temporary stop on it so the fact that we're doing the the moratorium if an application comes forward after the council decides on the moratorium it would have to wait gotcha so if we approve a temporary tonight somebody comes in tomorrow applies they say that's great but they'll have to wait till we get past the contemporary okay um and i'm glad to provide input to uh the study when it comes along i look forward to doing that okay thank you mr byron council members i will just note that the moratorium will not be in effect until the ordinance has been published in the legal newspaper that's typically about 10 days so if an application came in i we'd have to look at the timing on that if your ordinance your land use is revised regarding the car lots use of car lots there would be a public hearing required for that ordinance revision thank you for the information one comment another location another city in the area had an application pending while they were in the moratorium status and uh they chose to put that application on hold so apparently that was something that was legally permitted for them i don't know what that would be for us or not you know i'm i was kind of curious about that myself yeah okay thank you you're welcome any other public comments i'd make a motion that we closed the public hearing is there a second i'll second it i'll call the vote all those in favor aye aye any opposed public hearings closed next item is item d consideration of resolution number 2020-11 uh resolution members we did not you did not take action on the actual ordinance so is that i'm sorry after the public hearing so it's the same agenda yeah my mistake that's okay okay so with that said i would just comment that um i'm in the commercial real estate business uh members of our company are involved in uh representing at least one commercial property here in town there's another property that has announced it's uh closing its door so that property is going to be becoming available and it just seemed appropriate to me that maybe we stepped back and make sure we had our eyes dotted and t's crossed and we knew what we wanted that ordinance to look like and or how many dealerships we may or may not want so that was the reason that i brought it forward but i i don't want to negatively impact the value of anyone's property either and i guess that be another reason to try to move relatively quickly kim's already done a little bit of legwork she checked with the city of lakeland as they have a planning consultant that reviewed that city's ordinance so i don't know if we want to maybe get a copy of our ordinance and a copy of their ordinance as the next step or if we want to have a workshop or what we want to do but if the council decides this is something we want to pursue that's where i was coming from on the issue i certainly think it's appropriate considering the number of cars i see out there but you know that are for sale in the neighborhood and considering i live i have to turn on the second street north every day when i come home i would just soon not see a uh another one uh when i make the turn so i think it's time we took some action on it and i think that uh what we're doing at this point is what needs to happen and i'm not sure how much of the study i mean how do you envision the study actually going i mean i don't know if it's so much a study that might be an overstatement kim american council members the the interim uh the ordinance to place this in our interim uh hold on this use that's the language that is needed it is you you do need to study and we will be studying in the sense that we will be looking at other cities ordinances we will be discussing some performance standards what you're looking at at limits or expansions um perhaps uh acreage size minimums that sort of thing so that's it's it's an internal study what we'll do is probably uh schedule a work session prior to the next regular council meeting which we do not know at this point when that's going to be and we'll take a look at other cities ordinances and and take that as a starting place thank you i do find it rather interesting that one of our adjoining cities actually has a pretty complete ordinance it's just that it wasn't necessarily being followed so but as i look at their ordinance one of the prohibiting factors is the width of the lot theirs are relatively narrow which decreases the number of lots that qualify ours are pretty wide so the majority of our lots if we utilize their ordinance or similar language i don't know that that is as restrictive as we may or may not want to be so it's a good starting point to take a look at that argument thoughts i think it's a good idea okay so we need to make a motion uh to the interim ordinance yes is that by uh that's not a resolution though is it so we can do regular it's an ordinance uh number 20 2018. i guess what my question may be better asked do we need to do roll call yes okay so uh i'll make a motion that we adopt the interim ordinance placing temporary moratorium on automobile lots for a period of six months is there a second a second promotion any discussion council member schroeder yes council member wilson yes council member bishop yes mayor zeller yes we'll move on to uh item d consideration of resolution number 2020-11 resolution providing for summary publication of ordinance number 2020-18 kim do you mind introducing that i don't mind at all the resolution just allows for a summary publication in your legal newspaper if you do not approve this by resolution the whole ordinance would have to be published and it's very expensive i'll make a motion that we approve by resolution number 2020-11 i'll second it any discussion would you take roll paul please council member schroeder yes council member wilson yes council member yes mary seller yes uh this is actually item e it's labeled d i'm sorry sorry typo yep that's all right see you're not perfect you're darn close but um consideration of coronavirus relief fund cares act neil what would you like to handle sure the city received 24 109 from the state of minnesota which is really the state distributed money that they receive from the federal government and the expenditure of these funds has to follow the federal rules it's it's one of the things that i think there are certain rules in terms of what qualifies as an expenditure and in there they have to be necessary to meet the public health emergency with respect to covet 19. the cost can't be accounted for in the city's budget is number two and then number three the performance or delivery of any goods of services and the payment for those funds must be completed during the time frame set by the state time frame set by the state is believe it or not on a sunday november 15 and then money unspent funds need to be disbursed to the county the follow-up from that is if the county has undisbursed funds by the end of the month they disburse them back to the state the one item in here that they made clear in the federal guidelines is that personnel expenditures so wages and fringes and whatnot for public health and public safety employees qualify as uh as you know reimbursable expenses qualified for reimbursing expenses so where does that leave us we i took a look at what we have paid the sheriff's department and when you look at our kind of you know the budget for the sheriff's department actually it's the first you know the invoice that we paid i think back in and for january through june we ended up making that payment uh that spelled out what percentage of it was wages and so what i've done is i've taken that percentage times what we paid them and said that's an eligible expenditure for the fire department during this expenditure period we've made three payments i looked at their uh through october 31 you know tom had submitted their financials and it came to that 56.2 percent of their expenditures were for personnel so i took what we paid them and said here's 56.2 percent when you look in addition the city has directly paid i think as you know mayor zoe referred to previously we have funds going to the lake saint croix beach for the audio visual retrofit we paid for a computer that will enable kim to function better and then we also played for desktop shields for elections so looking at all of those there is 882.49 left uh the portion and you know i think the intent from the federal government with regard to the personnel was that there are a lot of you know they're making a policy nationally and a lot of communities rely on income tax sales tax things that are impacted by businesses to generate those revenues and what they didn't want is people say well my revenue stream's down so i'm going to start laying off public health and safety people so in providing i think that's the reason they put that exception in there is saying your police your fire your public health people we're going to distribute money so that you're covered at least through this expenditure period so what that would allow uh the city to do here is to retain those funds the you know the personnel portion of those funds and then at the discretion of the council potentially remit a portion of those to the fire department okay thank you um and i appreciate you bringing that to our attention because that really kind of evolved or developed here over the the last week up until that point our council has taken a pretty conservative approach with that money we haven't been looking for creative ways to spend it so that we didn't have to send it back that was never really our mindset but uh you brought this to our attention and and not that i doubted you i had already put a phone call into commissioner kriesl prior to your email because i understood that the fire department had expressed um you know a need for some overruns so he put me in touch with kevin corbin and uh and i don't like to quote people directly but he sent a similar message very very similar message to what you're telling us and i think you then even followed up with the finance director the finance director so there are always a million ways to interpret these things but i think we've done a good job of confirming uh our methodology here is consistent with the intent i'd like to continue to take a conservative approach here and that if we proceed uh as neil is recommending that that we put that that reimbursement money uh you know off to the side and let's make sure all the dust settles and that there isn't there aren't any questions that come back uh and i guess i'm saying let's let's save it before we just go spend it whether it's on a road or whether it's on whatever in another area of a budget because it is a reimbursement right so do we do anything with the last 842 or does that we just keep that well that i think we have some we can if i i don't want to quote you either but we can retain it short term and if the fire department can provide us some hard receipts then we can i was kind of hoping that they that they would get us something hard i mean short term we really can't okay because we have you know till sunday yeah uh and i would like to you know i was hoping that you know maybe they could come up with something but even looking at their budget their budget is you know when their expenditures are pretty much in line with their budget and i don't see anything that's that that is that dramatic i know that they have the they've received quotes for uh some equipment and i looked at you know the city's proportion of their budget is like five and a quarter yeah and you know the problem there is the requirement that performance and delivery has to occur by november 15th so here's my thought because i understand what you're saying can for the purposes of approving this tonight can we make it contingent upon them providing that documentation because my thought is they're rolling these trucks out they've had to have incurred whether it's you know ppe or uh i'm sure that they've had to do their individual screening and those types of things that they just had to have incurred a proportion and i would think it would be fair that the city you know recognizes that yeah and then we can ask but we need the paperwork for supporting documentation yeah that i guess that's my thought i asked jim uh late last week about this and i specifically referenced ppe's and uh he did not give me anything on those he did give me the other stuff that you guys have seen um and i'm i'm uh i've always made i've been thinking about this a lot and well tim and i have been talking about it a lot too because one way or the other any inspect expenses they incur through this are going to end up our percentage is going to end up here yeah if they don't take it out of their reserves but yes yeah well they've already they've already done some reserve extract at this point yeah and just every year we budget uh extract from the reserve and it looks like we're on budget but sometimes we don't use it sometimes we do and so uh you're right but somewhere along the line whether it's coming out of reserves or not we end up paying for it at some level so i'll get back to jim or tim and i kim and i'll get back to jim and say okay what what have you paid for already i think it's critical um and i don't mean to put the onus on you but if you're willing to carry that we really pretty much have to have that answer right we have to have it this week we need it we have to have the expenditure a record of the expenditure or the expenditure has to be dated by sunday yeah we would actually need to cut the check oh buy something yeah okay so i mean but i mean i i think you could probably go under the presumption that out of that eight hundred dollars that is the minimum that you're going to reimburse them right and i would treat it as such okay okay so if we tell otherwise yeah right you know then they're going to have to submit you know the documentation i mean these other things that they've got here or something else but yeah we're looking for something that was spent before today yeah they do have stuff yeah yeah right okay so with that uh i'm assuming you need a motion and is it no motion i don't even think we need a motion i think we just needed some clarity are we on the same page though with the expenditure john what's the penalty just say whoever's checking on this okay eventually who what is the penalty if you've appropriated money and weight let's put it this way the federal government you know has the right to audit because these are federal funds and you know they're going to audit how many governmental entities receive money so your potential penalty would be probably the funds that you retained you'd have to pay them back right right i mean they're in a large interest rate no and i mean you know we're talking about that amount work you know we're setting aside to cover ppe and other you know personal intent personal protection equipment by the fire department is you know 882.49 right and specific to the sheriff's department the county is not taking those wages as an out of reimbursement and i was told specifically so that the communities could so i feel like we've got a paper trail here where we can defend the decisions we're making kim american council members i will also add you can on that report put projected costs for december and then hang on to those dollars and get that documentation what has to be done tonight is that the checks have to be signed and written out and you decide where they're going okay because that has to be different we're retaining the funds we don't have any checks to send out yeah yeah okay here here's another thing i know uh i know other cities i know they bought ipads for council members i don't need one i don't know if other people do to cut down on the paper and i know uh the fire department was looking at that too that's something one could i think that i mean correct me if i'm wrong but i think we talked about that a couple months ago and just decided that that was kind of coming up with ways to spend the money yeah i'm not convinced we'll use it i mean i have an ipad for washington county cda and i never use it so for me that's just a waste okay and i know it is an eligible expense yeah with and i know on the fireboard there's maybe one new person maybe two that would be would be a good resource for them because i know they only have one laptop well but again our allocation goes to them and how they right how they disperse the funds is their decision yeah okay right okay i think we're all on the same page you feel like you got the direction you need i do all right again thank you appreciate your hard work on that because there was no clear answer and we were all thank you we were all interpreting it and then you know the funds that you can retain you always have the discretion to spend them right at a later date i mean it just enhances because it is a reimbursement yeah yeah so i mean we can allocate that however we want right okay all right well that seems reasonable to me thank you we'll move on to item five uh council and staff reports city clerk um would you do me a favor would you comment on the election because i thought that our volunteers did an amazing job as usual and they always do they're absolutely wonderful and friendly and at times get bored there's not a lot of activity um but they did great did you have fun yeah yeah we're not really volunteers no you do get begged but not near enough not near enough right especially during a pandemic so i think i think they get better yeah it couldn't be held without you so i think we had over 90 percent that voted and 40 plus of it was uh early voting 778 i think yeah yeah 78 people and i will just note that the uh the results were not official until after 5 pm tuesday evening because they were still running uh any absentees so now with the canvas and we have the numbers it is official and we're going to have a fifth council member effective january first or second whenever we do our swearing in so that's kind of fun too great thank you kim we'll move on to uh council member reports tim i just want to congratulate tim on his hard spot campaign uh looks like he squeaked it out and then the other thing is i think the council knows and i'm sure you guys all agree that i think in the next next year we have to be aggressive on doing some road improvements and getting serious with that and i know we we're building up some fun so neil can let us know what we have and i think we need to look at doing a good chunk maybe throw out there all the streets how much to do all of them would be i know it probably well there's no way or we have enough money to do that but there is a schedule we're following yeah i know i know it is but i i know we need to do some this next year you know get get going on it so but other than that that's about it john how do you want to handle that you're there streets commissioner do you do you want to get with john and then you just make your recommendation for for the year and then a second question i have i know one of the larger projects that is on our schedule uh is lakeland shores road and that i think we're going to need to spend some time with the neighbors on just because that's such a unique road if everybody's not familiar i mean that road starts off wide and the further down you get it gets narrow narrow and arrow and then there's no place to turn around so yeah and there's not a lot of room to to expand that but i you know do where there is room do we go halfway down and have a turnaround there um so that i mean it it's just kind of a crazy road down there i think we should have some discussion and that's i think that road is two three years out i think it's 23. oh so not very far no so what we could do is maybe have john and john and john john and john review and see what the status and upgrade the which ones are you know some might have been deteriorated more than the other and i think on lakeland shores road i think at the end i know we talked about it years ago uh i think there is plotted or something there for a turnaround i can tell you that called the set living on that road there isn't going to be any decision that somebody's not going to be opposed to it so the the more discussion we have and the more input we encourage hopefully the less negative uh impact we have it's kind of a there's a no-win situation there but a discussion needs to take place yeah well tim do you think quinlan is uh your road is is one of the ones that needs to be done the point one is but then you know now driving you just see there's quite a few yeah but quinlan to me that the top the surface of it there is really beginning to get a little pockmarked and that type of thing and i don't know whether that's just you know the top two inches as usual that is uh failing us but it seems to me as far as looks go uh and then we have the problem down there by your house where the those two little potholes that seem to come about which could increase the cost significantly because i don't know what's going on underneath there um but i think uh quinlan and certainly uh lakeland shores road are probably the two that are falling apart at a faster rate than maybe the other ones but i guess it depends on whether you live on them or not um you know i'll i'll talk to john perroti uh you know sometime coming up here in the next month or so and see see what he thinks about you know if he could give us a ballpark figure on what it costs that type of thing you know nothing that we have to necessarily go by but at least give us an idea of what uh what needs to be done and right and i don't know what cities i guess i haven't paid attention what other cities have any projects but i'm sure some of them if we can piggyback on their project right so yeah i agree it certainly needs to be done the next couple years for sure the good news is we have the money yeah the bad news is that the streets aren't lasting as long as they used to the mix just isn't what it used to be okay great um fire department was working on a long-range plan i mentioned that before uh the one there are a couple things that are going to be new in this one and it's going to be a facilities maintenance maintenance schedule because our our building will be paid off in i think 24. and at that point when do we need a new roof when do we need to fix the parking lot all those other things because we as a city aren't going to continue to pay for the building unless there's something we need to pay for and so we're trying to schedule it build it so when the building is owned we still have um we still have a plan that and i'm sure it's going to have to be viewed by all the cities but you know we'll we won't be uh taking as much money for facilities but i shouldn't say that but it's so it can be the the building can be maintained the other thing involved in this and it's been brought up by one of the deputy chiefs who is a firefighter at the airport also a lot of what's going on with the firefighters in their long-range look at things is the health hazards that the firefighters are involved in and so that is part of the long-range plan too and you know we we do things currently today we have certain we have a washing machine just for turnout gear that will remove the toxic chemicals and that kind of stuff it's already in place but there's more things like that that they're looking at and so uh i probably won't be involved in it but somewhere along the line this stuff is gonna come at us and and uh it's uh there's going to be expenses in them what they are i have no idea at this point so that's all i have thank you john you basically just talked about capital improvement projects you know i mean so i mean maintenance projects yes yeah yeah once the building's paid for right you know once i don't think we're just getting a free ride is that what you're thinking no no what i'm saying is is that i will say i'll say it this way we are not going to have a bond or a loan to pay off anymore and that's part of our quarterly bill but we're not going to say he what he's saying is there's going to be other expenses so instead of saving that payment we're going to still be incurring some costs rightfully less than what the debt service is trying to do is come up with a yearly figure right quarterly it's the same kind of schedule as roads right long-term improvement plan right right i mean they're going to need a new parking lot they're going to need a new roof uh a number of things now that we're we're insured by the league of minnesota cities which is a super program uh we've got a thousand dollar deductible if the furnace goes out you know they're things like that that now have kind of been taken off of that list because they're covered by the league of minnesota city's insurance policy but there are other things they're not when you know the garage doors openers go and that kind of stuff so yeah i'm sure tim will be heavily involved in that yeah john do you have anything to report uh just you know i can tell you that uh between simon worth and myself on the medians uh it took somewhere between 40 and 45 hours total to do it so if anybody can keep that in their mind for the future when we may be sharing expenses with lakeland depending on who's in charge over there um you know it's just a good figure as to you know what the actual time expenditure is there's very little as far as actual costs involved other than labor right okay and um tim you talked about that brush along the side of the school there i took care of that last week okay and um which was just growing out on the side of the road i figured the school authorities had more important things to do and i was thinking what a wonderful day to be outside all right and um other than that you know i'll try to get together with parody sometime in the next two months to talk a little bit more about what the future lies as far as expenditures go and where we might think about doing some significant road projects and as you know john they they typically recommend that we that we let those projects like in february or march if if we're hoping to do something right but from what i'm hearing um contractor-wise they were all pretty darn busy but they're not as busy right now and their schedules aren't full next year so this might be a favorable year to bid a project yep um john would have a real good handle on that but okay well i will get hold of them sooner rather than later than to make sure we don't miss any opportunities okay great thank you the only thing i was going to mention as i saw in the newspaper today that some communities uh lake elmo one in particular and i believe woodbury are enacting an ordinance to control the protesting that can be done in front of an individual's house and i think this is a reaction to what happened in hugo where you know a neighborhood was strongly impacted by some protesting kim could i ask you to to just look at that and see if that's i can't imagine it's going to be an issue for us but if we have an ordinance and it is an issue we're prepared does that make sense to everyone in case they show up at your front door tim we can i don't know how restrictive it is i guess i just would be curious to see it and if it has value or not you never know nowadays that's right but that's all i have kim i just wanted to say congratulations on all of your re-election thank you now you can stop twisting my arm okay i do want to thank john for all the hard work on the medians i did see him out there numerous times and looked great and he refuses to ask for help so i mean in the future we're going to have to keep an eye on him when when he starts working we'll just make them accept some help maybe we should get them a big suggestion you know we have a citizen of the year award you know i guess i've just been going all out right all right fair enough but we did not enact that policy just so you know can we get him like a sombrero or something awesome yeah i think we should get him one of those scorpions that folds down the back of his truck you know the crash impacts oh yeah there you go i'll make a motion that we adjourn is there a second i'll say all those in favor signify with sign of eye all right we're adjourned thank you so you