e this okay oh my God it is approximately uh 6:32 this time we call to order of the city council meeting of December 5th 2024 Kim would you like to take roll call here wison here here mayor Bishop here uh join me now for the Pledge of Allegiance States of America to the rep for it stands All Nation the uh first item of business is that we adopt the agenda I make a motion that we adopt the agenda is there a second I'll second it all those in favor I all those opposed at this time uh we have uh a chance for public comments now this is uh not Mr May council members if we could address the consent agenda com okay I'll do that um we have uh three items on the uh consent Agenda One is the approved monthly claims two is the September 5th 2024 city council meeting approval and the g jpa code red mass communication is there any discussion uh about this consent agenda okay if there's no nothing to discuss at this time all those that uh approve the approving the consent agenda I I make that motion that we do as there a second I'll second all those in favor I I now we get to the public comments this has only this has nothing to do with public comments that are necessarily directed towards you know the Cannabis ordinance that's coming up later in the agenda or the uh conal use permit that's been applied for at that time you can speak to those particular issues when they are on the floor is there anybody that would like to make any other public comment at this time apparently there is not so we will then go to four unfinished and new business at this time 4 a is consideration of resolution number good uh evening Mr mayor council members uh we're here tonight to uh present to you a benefit level increase our current benefit level is at uh 4975 per year of service and we'd like to take it to $5,500 per year of service um we're a little bit late in the year in coming to you because uh our accounting firm was late with our audit so we didn't get it back until October so in our uh benefit level increase policy excuse me that we presented to the cities about eight or nine years ago it said that we would only use completed audited numbers so we couldn't run any figures until we got the information back back so our Treasurer is not here tonight he's working full time and got some notes from him if we stayed at the current benefit level of 4,975 for the entire year of 24 we would close out 2024 with about 30% funding ratio now our our agreement with the cities is to not go below 115 and our objective was to get it down as close to 115 as we could without going below that so with the increase from 4975 to 5500 it puts us at a projected funding ratio at the end of 2024 of 11 15.39% which is Right On Target now normally our projections are a little bit over because we use very conservative uh variables in our formulas so we've been coming out about 10 to 15% higher on the funding ratio than what our projection show so at 100 being at 20 to 130 right now uh I know that we're probably going to end up in 2024 at about 120 which you know we're bringing it down the state recommends 105 but uh the five City councils are still a little bit gun shy and getting it too close to the minimum level so we're playing play it conservative um at that 115% funding ratio that gives a cities a cushion of 115% and a deficit presented to the cities would not go into effect until we got down to 90% of full funding so theoretically that gives the cities 25% cushion now we've got a little bit over 2 million in the fund so we're talking about a $500,000 plus Surplus that is being left on the table so to speak and not being allocated to benefits which you know we're sure changing a lot of people if they retire or get hurt so we want to get it as close to that 115 as we can to offer the maximum benefit without putting the city cities in a precarious position where they'd have to fund us uh that's pretty much what we've got for for tonight uh all of the support for that increase was in your packet uh all the policies that we use and we go by and uh any questions anybody uh the coun Kevin just a quick one those those numbers were January numbers of 2024 right what the estimates came off of the the the uh numbers that you were projecting out for the rest of the year yeah okay so a lot has changed in a positive way in the market between then and now I guess is what I'm yeah driving towards which is what you're talking about the 10 to 15% more that you're going to end up with plus the plus the fact that our it came back so late normally it's back in June yeah so on our projections were going out 7 8 months yeah came back in October we're going out to so I mean it's it's not going to change that much between October and the end of the year yeah so we've got a little bit more confidence in it but with our conservative projections we're still going to be over I take it that uh you are not going to speak to us I do have a little okay you he'll come afterwards so if uh I think Mike presented a uh proposal to you in a form of a resolution uh for you to approve or not approve the benefit level increase okay um is there any further discussion uh from the councel well I have one more a question so you want to increase this to 5500 as a comparison do you know what Bayport what they get for the relief Association it's Bay port's probably up around uh closer to $10,000 per year Service uh they've got a much stronger Community as far as the commercial base and our main funding comes from our return on investments is our number number one uh supply chain number two is the state aid state aid is B based on the tax capacity and population so we don't have a lot of growth we don't have a lot of Industry we don't have a lot of commercial down here we're basically a a bedroom community and we don't see the normal 15 to 20% growth each year that cities like Bayport Woodburry and Oakdale and cottage groovy so you know we're we're lagging behind we're probably the lowest in the East Metro as far as benefit level but you know we're growing as the fund allows us to grow our objective is to provide a benefit without putting an undue uh burden on cities you know we we hit a deficit one year which you know was a it was a worldwide catastrophe in the market we recovered out of that in three years so you know with a $500,000 question you guys are sitting pretty good there any other comments can I have a motion from someone uh to make a motion we approve the increase for the uh relief Association for the fire department I'll $5500 I'll second that per year all those in favor I I I anybody opposed not hearing anybody opposed we uh approve this uh uh resolution thank you thanks thank you uh with me tonight is Mike Cruz our secretary and he put together some what we call the fun facts things that you may or may not know about the fire department and our service area so I'll turn it over to Mike thank you Kevin these are just some things I mean I like to reach out and touch base with you guys to let everybody know what's going on what we're up to otherwise everybody just says hey there's a fire truck going by and nobody has any idea what's going on behind the scenes so these are just some numbers and some information I put together to uh engage you guys to so we have a combined total of all the members on our department 455 years of com combined fire and EMS experience that's among 27 members uh in the time of service on our department ranges between one year of service and 47 years of service uh the current averages uh of experience on our department is 16.85% that's Fire EMS it's all combined in 2022 we had a 17% increase to 536 calls for service 2023 we had another 177% increase in calls to 625 so the calls just keep going up up this year as of 114 when I wrote this down we had responded to 456 calls for service and we still had two months to go so 2023 was the last year that we collected this data uh so in 2023 that was the full year so I had all the dates and everything the information so the day of the week we have the most calls throughout the years are Saturdays uh the time of the day that we have the most calls for service are 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. uh the city with the most calls is afon our largest truck is engine two so if you're driving south on the fire station you look in it's the very first truck on the North side so it's kind of like sister trucks one does fire we send that one out for fires and the other one we send out for uh uh resp rescue stuff with the ambulance so that's engine one and engine two engine two is the first one it's uh 12 ft High 11 ft wide 34' 4 in long it uh I took them all up to the truck scale this one's a hefty 44,00 lb that includes 750 gallons of water that it carries and then we try to get it out the door with five people on it for a crew a full crew and that's probably another 1,200 lb added to that truck so there's a lot of weight um added to that truck this is all the information I sent this out with the calendars when they went out I don't know if anyone reads them but I think it's good information to share so you guys know have an idea what's going on um I've been doing this for a few years sending this Stout but now I'm reading it to you guys so next year I'm going to have some more information I don't want to overwhelm you you guys with stuff I think it's interesting for you guys to know the call percentages and what these trucks are and how many years of service and on the calendars themselves I put if you look at the calendars I put the years of service underneath everybody's picture so you guys can recognize who's uh the one serving your community that's all I got thank you thanik Mike can I ask you one question what how many of those calls are generally speaking where you send out the smaller you know just to go along with the ambulance okay we always send a because we kind of have the houses out here are a little unique especially when you get out down the off S Curry Trail so some of those we always send the rescue truck because you never know what you're going to run into yeah some of these people have steep stairs steep driveways so it's it's unfair to just send an ambulance or we need extra equipment off the truck sometime we have drills we have saws we have stuff for taking doors and all that stuff is on the truck I guess my excuse me I didn't mean it but I guess my question comes down to how many times does the big truck go out it goes out every time every time we send the ambulance out we send the big truck with we try to send that with at least three people and the problem is if if we if we get a call and then we're get another call we can we have a crew already ready to go so we may not have other people responding to the station it's time a day sometimes we get five people for a call sometimes we get just enough to send the ambulance but just for for the most most time we send two trucks just in case we get an additional call we can send a crew that that rescue truck is also set up the same as an ambulance so we can treat we just can't transport so we would call in a mutual Aid ambulance if ours is already taken so there's a lot of planning that goes in for you guys the community that uh you may just say hey why do they send that big truck every time that's why in case we get another call or we get another medical call because the majority of the calls we get down here are medical so everybody's cross train trained on our department between the fire and EMS so if if you're even an engineer on that truck you can treat a patient we just can't transport with and then we get Mutual aid from Lake viewer okay I I don't want to prolong this all but my guess where I was going with this was how many times do you think you actually go to a fire in an average year oh that'd be tough i' maybe 60 okay you and some of those are small car fires when we when I did the numbers years ago it was about 20 to one back then 15 to1 the last year I did it so it's it's uh yeah we're ambulance first generally and it and it varies because you know why did we get two years in a row 177% increases yeah that's that's huge and now it's seemed to be tapering off a little bit yeah when I was doing the numbers Mike is the same thing we went up for 3 years and down for four and I could never figure out why and uh but it's yeah it's challenging to keep track of all that stuff because they're like you said you send two truck well when you guys came to my house when I had my challenge with gravity um and we needed the Manpower that's true had to get me up off the floor and you all had to give me enough sass too while I was laying there we did which was a good thing but uh no it's it's those yeah that that increase you can't track it it doesn't make sense sometimes cuz for a while I thought what was that term we were using oh our population was maturing that was we had some construction on the highway that was several calls up on the highway right yeah so that helped add to the the call volume we don't have we didn't have that this year and you have to send a truck up there anyway cuz you need a block we need to block yep I'd rather yeah I'd rather have a dumb truck to do that but a $600,000 fire truck thank you y thanks Mike I'd like to come back next year to L some more yeah absolutely thanks Mike thanks Kevin okay now we'll go to 4B is public hearing for ordinance [Music] ordinance as you recall uh the legisl made the adult legal of all cities follow TR by putting a moratorium in to study the issue and come up with a draft ordinance that moratorium ends December 31st uh before you is a draft ordinance that has two components it's basically the registration requirements that have to be adopted um and the registration can be done through the city and or County as willing to do these registrations reality is the city's going to have one if um if they demonstrate compliance with the uh adopted ordinances the second part uh the need of the ordinance is adding the use to the definitions amending the permitted and conditionally permitted uses in section one or adding the candidat to your ordinance um the ordinance itself is standard language um would be put right in your code of ordinances the discussion item I think comes from the performance standards that would be what you guys would need to discuss in terms of determining which uh performance standards and separation uh setbacks that you are comfortable with um the ordinance itself is as restrictive as it it can be per state law the state is mandating a lot of and they're going to have they're not going to have their rules all until spring of 2025 this may have to be revised and in fact it probably will be revised but at this point the city needs to get something in place um the maximum setbacks that the state will allow is the uh th000 ft th000 foot setback from schools and 500 ft from residential treatment facilities and then we the city can add which is part of your draft ordinance 500 ft of separation between all can cannabis businesses with that I would be thinking about that I don't know if you have any questions I am not an adult cannabis expert but or ordinance expert um but I would think about that discussion in terms of the setbacks the buffer zone and then I would uh make a motion to open the public hearing printed copy and on the website um I take it everybody on the council has had an opportunity to peruse this uh somewhat convoluted language and um all ordinances are especially ones that are being dictated somewhat from uh uh governmental uh uh agency that is uh you know not really running on all eight cylinders or six whichever you wish um well the state will be doing the the licensing they will be issuing the licing so most of this is uh as far as I can figure out from what Kim has told me that most of what we have in front of us is uh stuff that is the as she's indicated the most restrictive uh that the state would allow you to have and um I think the real question for the council comes down to the uh setback standards that are set forth on page eight and um probably the uh one that concerns us the most is the is number two sub two which is a setback of a minimum of 1,000 ft from a private or public school um the other ones are probably won't make much difference to any of us in this room um so is there any discussion concerning on the council concerning that minimum of th000 Ft from a private or public school I would just open up that discussion a little bit in that uh Kim you know we have this very nice drawing here that um talks about the buffer zone okay 500 ft or 1,000 ft that type of thing do they measure the buffer zone from the edge of the school property yeah their property line yes right okay so what we're talking about is measuring from basically where Fourth Street comes down okay I mean it's not from the physical building itself necessarily okay and there's probably going to be at the public uh when the public gets a chance to speak um this thousand feet uh probably goes beyond where the green canopy is presently located okay in other words if we stick with the language that's presented in the ordinance which is the most restrictive um the green canopy uh business if they were so fortunate as to get a cannabis license would not be able to locate it at that right particular physical location and uh so I think it's something that we need to discuss here today because uh it obviously has an impact on uh people's lives and you know what they may or may not have thought of uh when they were making businesses and none of this has necessarily anything to do with any obligation on our part to necessarily make it convenient for people to uh establish a cannabis business I think uh what we have to what we we know what we did when they came to us for a conditional use permit for the CBD and hemp business um and we guaranteed them at that time that uh our approval of that had nothing to do with what was going to come down the line when it came to uh perhaps uh the ability to have a cannabis business in that same location so is there anybody that wishes to discuss this further anybody wish to perhaps go Mr mayor council members I just want to add to that I think the issue with those setbacks is do you find it a concern for a retail business like this to be closer than a th000 ft to a school that's I I think that's what the real issue is um I think that's a matter of opinion uh my opinion is that's not an issue you're not not going to have the third graders walking down to the store and and trying purchase um and there's going to be so much security mandated by the state for all of these Stores um I will also note that uh there is a liquor store within 1,000 ft of the school and the state has no regulations regarding liquor stores so I just wanted to add that um the planner said that if if that isn't a concern the the the locality of the school she would recommend lowering those setbacks and I think that's where the public hearing comes in is if residents are concerned about that issue of it being too close to a school Kim do you know if any other cities have done a 500 foot set back or is it it kind of seems like the Thousand is a typical one it well that's the maps that's the only thing the state will allow oh yeah other cities have gone lower yes okay I don't want to be the first to be reducing it quite a bit is there anybody on the council that would like to I one thing I want to get clear is that that it's the school property and that includes the soccer fields because if you look at this map Fourth Street runs I know that this the school is half in l Shores and half in Lakeland and if you look at the count the line here it's down where the buildings are that first little white nub going out there that's Fourth Street so it's including the the athletic fields and the tennis court across the street is part of that the buffer starts after that so you're basically talking about on the on the north side of the on the North side that whole of the tennis courts yeah yeah cuz as I I was looking at it I was going no it's first second third there's Fourth Street under the dark blue there uh where the uh cue SEC is by the school I will also note that if if you were to lower those standards lower the setback that's not going to increase the potential for another uh establishment like this that it's first off J you can have one you absolutely could have more but based on the ordinance there's not enough enough not enough space there is not so that would be your one location and that's granted if they get the license from the state that's not a guarantee but there wouldn't be another one opening up 500 ft down the road it it there's not room in Leland Shores Tim or Tim you have anything you want to add to this I'm lucky I'm leaving you're going to be a customer oh you got to have dreams don't you you really do without uh hearing any uh further contribution uh I think at this time we should open the public hearing so anybody that would like to speak on this particular ordinance um proposal uh please step up to the microphone sign in and say what's on your mind concerning this particular ordinance right hi I'm Kanan Martin uh general manager at Green canopy uh when we signed up for the cup a year ago um or so we uh we definitely did agree that this wasn't a guarantee for us to proceed this direction um I just want to say to the council and I was writing an email about this but holidays um there's a few options here uh considering that the rules kind of state that you know all the cities can't eliminate the possibility for a Canabis business it kind of means that we as a city have to prepare for one um being in a bank building we meet a significant amount of the security requirements to become one and we are local and we do care about the community deeply um we've done our due diligence to show that we are willing to work with the neighbors uh we built the fence we improved the facility and the the grounds and this this rule will have a large impact on our family um and potentially the community too because if it's uh if we are removed from the ability to be that dispensary then I don't know who will come in but it opens the door for larger and potential uh businesses that do not have the same roots or care um for the community as a whole and St Paul is one example they have reduced The Distance by 500 or 2500 um and there's also other things that cities are doing uh in regard ards to the distance between dispensaries as well because they want to preserve the existing lowd do dispensaries and not let them kind of lose out because some big player came in and changed the game on them and so I just want to reinforce How Deeply we are committed to compliance uh which of course includes the strict Minnesota rules on products not looking like candy no advertising in any way way the shav or form that looks like it would be interesting to Children right we care very deeply about who comes into our store we ID every single individual um so I understand there's a lot to weigh uh with this decision and I know there's a lot of different voices in the community um saying one thing or another uh we work our best to educate and to show how deeply um ranging cannabis products are for example in line with the fact that the liquor store is under 1,000 ft they carry cannabis products um so I guess I just don't know if it's necessarily fair in a certain sense to eliminate us like that uh I would just ask the council to think about you know how this could affect us and potentially the future of the city um and think about how we've been so far for the city and and what who we are as people and and a business um always available for questions and uh I hope some of you will be able to attend some of our educational events that we're hosting thank you thank you thanks Canon is there anybody else that would like to speak to this good evening Mr mayor council members I'm Dennis lond 1655 5 First Street South uh let's see here looking at the proposed ordinance I'm seeing on page two section 13.02 that this uh ordinance uh lists the city of Grant and I don't think we're in Grant here tonight no but we actually definitely put th feet out of range yeah I realize it's just a draft ordinance that's for many different committees it's already been corrected of course I didn't see that on the website that's glad you got that that corrected uh but that I think is an example that other communities have large setbacks as Mr Cayman mentioned uh St Paul I think has got 300 other cities can do whatever they choose to um a question on the comment that we could not have another dispensary in the city if we used a 500 foot setback between dispensaries if we have one where the current green canopy is and another one at uh shiners it used to be shiners now it's first Builders or something like that First Choice y first choice I think that would exceed the 500 ft so that would allow us to have a second one uh so that's a consideration to to factor uh I'm not sure what the right number is I'm not concerned about the business selling to miners there going to be compliance checks and other things going to take care of that uh so that shouldn't be a concern uh what those customers choose to do with that product the business can't control so we can't really speak to that much but uh I'm not objecting to a th000 foot setback uh anything less than that we have to ask we're physically a very small community and what makes sense uh what Lakeland chooses to do with respect to a liquor store we can't have a lot of impact on the setback distances from what Lakeland does in their territory property City to the school we can can't control that so um I'm not sure what the right thing is to do but I appreciate the chance to talk about it thank you thank you Dennis is there anybody else uh in this distinguished audience that would like to step forth can I clarify sure just just to clarify for Dennis's question um it doesn't have to be 500 ft and I believe that the city has the ability to only authorize a single business if they so wish it's just that they can't completely eliminate the capability for a cannabis business to operate within their within their land thank you um are we limited to just one per 12,500 people that's countywide okay okay so the County May reach I think it's 35 licenses in Washington County um they could reach that before anyone in Leland Shores or surrounding communities applies for that license that doesn't mean it won't that will happen but it could so yeah and and he's absolutely right the city is you cannot eliminate a dispensory but you only have to permit one well with no further participation from uh the public I think we would close the public hearing um this time I think we need to you know get serious about the one thing that we've been talking about here which is the buffer zone and Kim correct me which I will be wrong since my Roberts Rules of Order or stink um if we wish to have a vote on the change of that from 1,00 to 500 feet or whatever number of feet people want to vote on is that something we do now before we do the whole resolution uh mayor council members you would make a motion to adopt the ordinance with the revision of the thousand foot stepb back okay period is there any further discussion concerning this ordinance you got something as far as reducing this the setback sure anything about it y that or anything else about it yeah I don't see how it's a problem that we use it to 500 okay then can I have a motion to I got a few things I guess one of the things and people call that I guess I don't like uh how would I say it my standpoint from when the Minnesota state legislator approved this a couple years ago I wasn't in agreement with it um so my opinion they basically just shoved it down our throats uh second of all uh the green canopy came here a year and a half ago or a year ago and applied for application to sell the product that they're doing with you know saying that they had never intended to sell marijuana they just want to use the product sell the product that they have now currently uh so then I look at this do we change it to 500 do we move it to a th if we move it to a th000 feet that knocks him out but another company could come in and put in a business would he be a good Community player like the green canopy or then I look at it okay or if we leave it at 500 green canopy doesn't apply or they sell a business and the big player comes in and buys them out throws them a pile of money which could happen What do we do here you know I don't like any of it either way so I don't know what to do is I thought it was wasn't transferable to another one it's a city ordinance so they oh you're talking about the ordinance not yeah you know it's within the ordinance and then the cup right the license is not transferable the cup the license can't move yeah well the actual license from the state yeah yeah what I'm saying is the property with the cup would be able he they'd have to apply and then get their license to go in so or do we put it at a th000 and you know uh nobody applies applies before the the licenses are fault you know from the county well i' like to hear a motion I I guess I'll bring that motion uh which is uh that um we approve the ordinance 20241 adult C Canabis regulations with the amendment to uh a buffer zonea 500 ft from of a private or public school and um is there a second on that I'll second that all those in favor i i i n okay would appear to be 3 to one uh so appear that the uh ordinance has been approved with that uh amendment to from 1,00 to 500 ft going to 4C public hearing on consideration of resolution number 2024-the I got a big p yeah Kim could you Enlighten us a little bit as to what you know about this situation other than the reams of paper that we've been distributed the trees died mayor and council members I apologize for all the paper but it's a submittal requirement for the state for a cup um this uh an application was submitted for cup for the same type of building that Mr lend already has down the road um the uh application was absolutely reviewed by the Consulting city planner uh she did a summary of the request the site conditions um it appears that the plan meets all the city ordinances um she also uh did a draft uh CP that outlined all all the conditions that she is recommending the city engineer also did a review and his uh conditions were included in that draft uh CV as well as uh wmo they have to get approval by the wmo but the uh conditions related to screening and moving revising some things they have to uh submit another site plan to the engineer after they kind of alter those type of things um the city planner is uh uh recommending approval it isn't allowed use uh again based on those conditions and this is again where you public hearing is required and the public hearing the purpose of that is if neighbors want to come and express their concerns and their concerns could possibly lead to additional conditions of approval um what was not on the plan just one thing for example was a uh I think on the east side and the planner did add that uh add that offense would be required so any questions well at this point I think that then we should open the public hearing uh for consideration of this resolution 20249 commercial building C is there anybody would like to speak to this good evening uh my name is John sake and I've been helping the property owner with General site planning and and layout and kind of the coordination of the application materials in subid um generally speaking as I look at all the materials the conditional approval um all all I think uh we're generally speaking in in agreement with what uh what is suggested just a couple maybe minor questions of clarification and whether that has to be modified as part of the conditions now or if it's something that we can work out with the the city planner and engineer primarily around the requirement for screening um Mr Lynn has been open to whatever kind of combination preferred as far as fencing and and arbiv planted along the side um he had previously met with the adjacent land owners and that's what we kind of based upon originally was just what both of those land owners were kind of preferring um but my guess my question our question would be whether it's one or the other scenario like if he does a fence does he still need to plant the Arbor VA if he enough arbra could it just be that in in lie of the fence and I guess I'm we didn't really have a chance to talk to the planner in detail about that um and whether she has an opinion of whether it should be one or the other or both it seemed like in a couple of her comments if it was going to be a fence I assume the fence would would be sufficient for the screening and then at that point then the trees wouldn't really be necessary unless it was just more just a little bit of flare to the the screening um and then there was I think maybe just a just a little typo on the conditions my glasses back on here on the additional restrictions and conditions number five I think the in the body of the the comments made from the planner there's discussion of the prop property line uh the fence no storage of outs sored material could be within 10 ft of the property line but the fence could be on the property line and just in number five it just talks about that the fence would be at least 10 ft from the property line I think that might just need to be clarified that it's the outdoor storage has to be at least 10 ft from the property line um but those are you know again it's other than that I mean I think that covers most of what um we had concerned about just making sure we're clear on what Landscaping requirements are there if it's a fence or trees so I don't know if the if the board has any opinion on this or if this is something we should just work out with the planner and and this points uh May council members I will just clarify the fencing and the trees um the the plan was submitted with the the trees that you had talked about um the the addition is the uh privacy fence for the outdoor storage so it would be both the fence and the trees and that's on the on the east side of the properties no it is for the Residential Properties to the north north and east it looks like they got proposed and do you know whether is what what is the the trees obviously would be required for screening but if a fence is there and and provides that screening is there a reason for the trees still at that point and and again I think Bob you're probably fine with doing a couple in there but then then there is another comment about having trees every 10 feet so it seems it seems kind of duplicated effort if you do a a fence and then trees every 10 feet I think it adds to the the character the lot what there is existing sure I guess my input on this would be uh I mean I'm going to go back to one you guys built the other building and we got this proposed site plan and it looks a lot like this one but I look at this one and this one isn't near as what you have for the building now uh and I you know I look at the trees that are supposed to be at the existing building and that's all outside storage which I thought we weren't supposed to have and you know I look at the existing building that you built and then this one what you proposing will end up just like this one so I would I don't want to see any outside storage on this site and I guess I would ask what is outside storage what are you looking at storage because I don't want to see people's pontoons I don't want to see dead cars I don't want to see trailers uh I don't want to see ice houses I mean that's not what we intended to do years ago when you built that other building and my my opinion of to have this building what I'd like it to look at go across the street and look at that building just flip-flop that they don't have any outside storage that building looks nice and that's what I Envision this building to be and I you know and I that's why I see with the fence and the trees would be a nice aesthetic look and then if we did do a fence I would make it I would propose to have it a wood fence not a metal fence so it look good in the neighborhood um I'm Bob Lind uh the one who wants to build a building so um I guess uh as far as the screening Park goes um I've been talking to Tara on the east side and um I would like to put a fence in on the east side and the north side and I talked to Roberta who lives on the North property line and um she didn't seem to care about either one uh she just wanted me to take care of all her Buckthorn to rip all her Buckthorn out and uh call it good but I I would much rather have a fence on the North property line and on the East property line and if if terara wants something um on on her side of the fence um I'll I'll plant whatever she wants um we talked about arbores uh lilacs um and then as far as the material uh material of the fence um I would like to build it the same as I built my other one and I would go as far as letting Tera or Roberta pick the color uh cuz I won't see it yeah um I'll see the treated Lumber side um but I won't I won't see the the other side and as far as maintenance goes that's that's what I'm thinking of actually is if you get a wood fence I mean you got maintenance problems and I do have a a fence that the neighbor Ben has in and it's a it's a treated lumber fence and it's I I fix his fence couple times a year mayor and council members I would suggest that um you certainly have time to ask the applicant more questions but I would see if there's any more public comments for the public hearing and if not I would get that close okay I guess I would ask when you have outside exterior storage what does that mean I don't know who the tenants are going to be um it's it it's not going to be um you know personal gear and stuff like that that's what we were told at the last at the other building and I drive by that every day and see that stuff sitting out there the The Fish House the building your other building yep yeah well we're getting that ready for winter I mean uh okay but here's what I'm looking at is I look at the the the propos site for the other building MH you have a septic T if the septic tanks are put in the right spot as this drawing you're driving over your septic system on the south side of the building I can see stuff stacked up past the the fence it's it's the septics all fenced off I know the septic but I can see stuff over the fence that's sticking up out I don't want to see any of that stuff and then on the south side of the building there's I don't know if it's foam that's sticking up over that's that's material for this building here um okay but but I can I can lower that no problem I was going to going to put a tarp over it to to blend what I'm saying is as far as ex storage exterior storage I don't want to see any stuff outside I want a nice commercial building cuz who knows what kind of tenants you're going to have in there and they want a nice looking building they don't want to see junk sitting around and I'm all for small business don't get me there I do have a question um the building that you were talking about across the street which one is that the one is it 1980 quazar uh River comp yeah that building there and you drive by there and they don't with the the fountain out front there storage is in the back they they don't have any I drive through there and there's nothing out sitting out back it's a clean behind a fence back there that's not part of it it's a different building so I guess I just like a nice Curb Appeal on the building I I agree 100% you know because if if we don't put something in writing now and make sure we have it we then it's a kick in the can down the road and I don't want to have to have our attorney or a clerk go after somebody to take care of Minal stuff like that so can I ask you just one question is Sir uh is this building that you're proposing the exact same size as the one that you have on Second Street North or nope it'll be bigger the Lots uh bigger than our other Lots so whatever was the allowed size is what I did so it will be bigger than the other one bigger and that'll be uh uh not necessar any higher no higher no higher oh I'm sorry I'm sorry um it will be it'll be 2 feet higher because on the first one um I think Tim knows uh it was 16 ft interior which didn't allow uh a mezzanine uh per code um so I'll have to double check but I'm I'm almost positive the ceilings are going to be either 17 or 18 ft so either one or 2 feet higher uh than the building that we currently have and you envisioned that how many square feet do you have on the the first building you did that we that I've recognized on Second Street North and and and this one is going to be how many square feet uh the our current building is 7,000 square ft and this one will be 14,000 sare ft and how many uh different businesses are you contemplating being in there I would like only three um and I would like only uh contractors like myself um I I came you know through the ranks working out of my yard for 20 years out of West Lakeland um and for the it's it's going to be a small company um who's going to need that space um I I know I outgrew my space from my personal uh 2500t Garage in West Lakeland um and that's kind of what prompted me to do what I did so my my wish list would be three different tenants thank you MH um who's going to be constructing this building um the exact same people that did the last building um I I can get uh Kim all the information um but Weezer would be doing the tip ups that would be the the majority of the the building um and then the concrete guy they do the footings and the flat work um on point Point uh would do the all the wood stuff um Royal mechanical would do all the uh Plumbing um and the HVAC stuff and uh um Joe Kel would do all the electrical I I'm just concerned of you cutting up the street again like last time that was my other thing I was going to have yeah no um well you shut on on the street you didn't put up any signs or nothing I I didn't do any of that stuff that was that was buo um out of West Lakeland I knew him from Living in West Lakeland and that was a horrible experience um he why I'm asking these questions he he's not in out business he should be in jail I I'm not going to say one way or the other I I haven't seen him since he did that and they were supposed to put the septic in and they left me high and dry on that so they they will not be there and if when it's time uh to hook up to the water the shut offs are already in the property there's two of them and uh we'll be using the one on uh First Street South so there will not be any work as far as I know um that we would have to go into the street the shut offs for the water aree you do have to you got to contact this Clerk and right away and then we have to notify the fire department because if that like they shut down that road and they go trying to go to emergency and they can't get access then that doesn't look we caught L for that I had I had no idea um the procedure for that and uh I assume that John would have taken care of all that stuff and he cut the neighbors's cable twice um not just once so okay any other questions for these two distinguished gentlemen and is there anybody else that would like to speak the public hearing Dennis well I have one more question yeah uh in the uh thing here from uh our consultant she says there's Loading Docks but you're not having loading they're just regular garages there's no no loading docks okay okay Dennis you have an opportunity here yes Mr Mayor and as the clerk pointed out that's quite a stack of paperwork to go through oh it's lots and lots of stuff um the building's twice as square footage building gets bigger if you keep the same roof pitch the building the roof gets higher now we're adding a couple of feet for mezzanine so I don't really have a good picture of what this going to be but I'm guessing it's going to be somewhere in the 35 to 38 foot total height I but I couldn't find that in the plan so that's one of the questions that fits in the city requirements 35 is the highest you go is what you so they're they're good within reason there okay um the plan shows that office manufacturing and storage classifications for potential businesses in there um will the tenants need to have fire reviews will or or ordinance compliance reviews before beginning will probably they have to have their own building permit and they rent it out or lease it out I would imagine with Bob right if they do an as buil or a tenant build out uh if it is it turns out to be a manufacturing location uh and with the only water source to the building coming off of First Street South do we have enough water supply capacity to provide whatever that business might need if it's another house it's not a big deal but if somebody needs industrial levels of water there that's that's a question to be answered we'll just have tap off yours I got I I got our garden H we can do that up Gard he's going to be on mine speed things hey I had to deal with my cable for six months that way looking at the plan it shows three future restrooms but no current restrooms in planed for the property so um hopefully there will be at least one on the property uh well everything's proposed right where the restaurants or the restrooms are proposed is is exactly where they're going to go yeah you built you'll put those in right away because of the concrete yeah he'll have to Plum it out for the most part you Plumb it out at Le yeah all all the plumbing will be in and stubbed in and then when we get a tenant in that area um then yeah the restrooms will be completed yep before they move in I take it the demise in walls will be up too or no yeah the two walls section them off yeah yep and this time they're going to be weer concrete it's not going to be a p wall so they'll be they'll be put up immediately okay wonderful uh as far as the fence goes I'm not an abutting property owner but I think for the way my lot is laid out relative to this property I'm going to see much more of that storage proposed on the east side uh and a few ARB here and there don't provide an awful lot of screening so offence uh would be my preference along that uh East property line uh the exterior storage is also a concern I don't know how we can manage to have the new property not look like the old property if we approve exterior storage uh and what else have I got here uh where will the recycling and Trash Services be provided to the building I don't it's not listed in the plans that I saw again what big document they have it on Northeast they're on one of the grids they dumpster okay location see all right and uh will anything be done so that the road traffic exiting your property will be directed to the county road rather than into the residential area um you know don't want to have you pay for the sins of others but uh prior businesses across the street from you where Mayday is located now we'd get a lot of traffic through the neighborhoods and um we ask that they try to limit that in some way so I'm not sure if we can do something about that and that's probably enough thank you is there anybody else that would like to speak at the public hearing since I'm not hearing any uh bu uh suggesting they want to uh we close the public hearing oh can I ask one more question yeah uh you're putting the septic off in the corner there how do you plan on emptying it for the trucks access Access wise well they can go behind on the north side of the building and uh I think I get 100 ft free um and if they have to add on to that they charge me accordingly yep I just wasn't sure on the North side what you're going to have there if that would really be access or uh you know like a yard or something okay good so if I'm hearing uh do the questions that have been asked that type of thing um and we don't want to leave any more Up For Debate at a later date than we have to are we basically talking about outside storage here and fencing being the two major uh things that we want to make sure that everybody in the room here has an understanding as of what we're talking about when we approve this uh conditional use permit and since I'm sure Tim with your business background and the construction industry and that type of stuff you probably have poured over the plans that they've been given to us um and I'm curious as to uh what the plans call for as far as screening goes yeah I I mean it's a nice project it's a nice building it'll be an asset for the community and and businesses that look at maybe renting it uh I guess the only downside I see is you know the exterior storage which I don't want to see and I would like to have a a wood fence with the as many green trees that we can put in there as possible and that would be both on the East and North End I believe so and yeah I don't know if they might be limited on the North side but I don't know if there's any there on the property well I guess if they put a fence up some of them might go away but there are some remaining trees uh because there's been a fair amount of uh lumbering going on on that those two lots um on the uh West Side the one that runs parallel to the bike path and um just curious uh Dennis and Bob me B do you uh as to the the trees that are remaining on the west side of the Lots do you plan on leaving the bigger ones there oh yeah the big pine trees will for sure stay I'm not going to mess with them but uh I was instructed by The Watershed district and obviously the septic people uh people also leave all that alone until they're ready um but uh when when we're done that southwest corner the storm water there's going be big storm water along that side and then anything on the outside of that um if if you want trees or more uh you know what it landscap yeah so I I guess I I don't I don't no I mean I'll put in whatever you want I Canim Mr May council members um as part of the conditions suggested recommended by the planner um the all exterior storage which is a with with conditional use um must be fully screened from adjacent properties with a 6t privacy fence with at least 75% opacity and be set back at least 10 ft from the property boundary the applic applicant shall submit the fence detail for review and approval by the city Consulting planner um and then the use of the tree native trees of native variety must be planted along the northern property line to provide screening from the adjacent Residential Properties to the north so the the conditions outline both uh both the trees and and a fence um and it also notes that exterior storage can't be placed in circulation or parking areas uh it notes that the outside storage is referring to trucks and cars so well yeah I mean even across the street it's they've got Vans service van parked and park outside storage yeah I'm looking at boats dead cars me the yacht industry that used to be behind the one across the street yeah another paraphernalia that's sits around that's my main concern I guess I was just I guess maybe I didn't see it but how high is that retaining wall going to be on that west side don't you know yet a 4 foot retaining wall okay um just to make up for that grade because amazingly that lot looks flat but there's enough to it the Wester side of that building will be elevated what kind of wall uh Boulders um same as our other wall and so Mr mayor council members the trees are suggested to be along the Eastern and Southern property lines to provide the additional screening and again then the fence on the uh for the outdoor storage so that cannot be seen from the Residential Properties to the north um I guess my point is I think that the conditions cover those issues and the screening as well to find and will be required okay sounds good anybody else have any other questions concerning the discussions that have taken place here um you have a utility guide that's going to put in the 12in PVC to to the county storm Inlet oh yeah that yeah I noticed that CU you got to get County approval for that I don't know how you're going to do this cuz you're going to dig down right alongside the road there and dig well unless you go underneath but the bike to life path is there too we have reached out to the County highway department um they they did ask if the WL which generally speaking they they're they're fine they had a couple minor revisions but we kind of wanted to wait till you guys had your chance to make comments but uh the highway department asked that we put in a 15inch RCP actually so the reinforced concrete pipe but they were aware that we'd be going out in that direction and so we'll finish up whatever permitting process they would like do to go down and and penetrate that there's a big tank structure underneath that Inlet and so it's it's common practice that you'll punch a hole in that get it in there grout that in and and that's where the that's how you control the rate of run off leaving that site so storm water only allows that to go in there after reaches a certain elevation and is controlled by of that pipe going up into that manhole and so it doesn't overlo that system so you're looking at oh so you'll have that pond no matter what and that's just if you're allowed by the county to go into that storm sewer and they've said as long as long as the wmo is fin the final design of the storm Pond they're okay if we work connect the Overflow to that okay the alternative is to to just let it sheet over the over the land run over the edge Trail and into the ditch which is not necessarily the ideal because another it always seems to create a SC create a problem we have no gas line going through that property correct I don't not through the propert but through that right away yeah and then you'll cap off the um the other water from s Cory Trail side yeah it's right there kind of by your P you know what size water line you need going in the building or you recommend or a 2 in or three or I guess we haven't dug I guess we haven't dug into that at this point s the fire department asked to look at that Mr May council members I will note there's also a condition of approval on this that requires uh consent and conformance to all conditions recommendations from all the other agencies so I just and I'm really just Spacey on this one um did you say that that fence on the east side had to be 10 ft off of the proper ly no no I mean I know that you were you mentioned that but you know but I thought when you read that that I thought she said 10 too 10 the storage has to be 10 ft off the fence is what okay obviously the fence is going to be on the property line if it's consent with the owner next door or it has to be three foot back I don't know if it's different in commercial or not either way it has to meet the stepback right is there any further discussion on this somebody like to bring a motion I would make a motion to how would I say it okay uh I'll about you commercial cupo public hearing on resolution 0249 approval or denial of the resolution to approve it I would approve it amending the the the material on the fence be a wood product would that be and the reason I let Tom do it because this is his last city council meeting well yeah I'll argue with you with the did he make the motion yeah he made the motion somebody second it I'll second it all those in favor of of approving uh the uh resolution uh 20 24-9 commercial building Cup on First Street South all those in favor I I I any negatives I guess that's it thank you yep oh now we get a budget and the levy C what exciting stuff we got moving on to 4D consideration of resolution number 2024-25 final budget um Mr council members the uh final budget and final lby are the exact same as your preliminary that uh was submitted and approved uh in September so there have been no changes and with that in mind and I believe that the I'm having trouble finding my uh resolution here well all those Dar materials Tim right come on Tom 02410 take yeah we don't need the amount just the resoltion number then I move that we uh accept the 202 24-10 2025 final budget um that we uh I move that we vote on that at this time I'll second it all those in favor I moving to uh 4E consideration resolution number 202 24-11 2025 final Levy I'll make a motion we approve that I'm just going to hog my time right out the door I second it um all those in favor I consideration that would be 4f consideration resolution number 202 24-12 ordinance summary publication of ordinance number 20241 which would be the candidat um thanks Bob uh Mr May council members the summary publication all that is is it authorizes summary publication because by law you have to to uh publish a summary you do not want to um publish that whole ordinance that would be very very expensive flammable I move that we approve that resolution 2024-25 which is Council and staff reports staff updates Kim I have nothing this evening going to 5B mayor and Council reports council member Schroeder I just have one thing I would like to thank Mr Wilson for being dedicated council member for eight years and how long were you on the fire you better suck up to me I did drive you know yeah yeah and also you were on the fireboard for what 12 13 before years so I want to thank you for your service 21 years yeah God I had more hair then and it was a darker color so that's all I have to ask also member Wilson I'm out of here good I know you've been waiting I told you I didn't want the job when I saw the votes I knew that you were a happy man uh Mr Hatton yeah I'd also like to thank Tom for his service and yeah you're were a good member here it was nice KN you on thank you both thank all of you as a matter of fact and mayor Bishop I have uh uh nothing to add at this particular time we're going to miss you Tom uh if for no other reason that you keep Tim schroer in line and um maybe I'll still have him drive me here yeah so with that I'll be your Uber approximately uh 10 minutes to 8 uh I would move to adjourn this meeting and I will second that all in favor I I'm punching out thank you Tom on y I thought you hi I'm e e for