you got it all figured out thank you all you have to do is figure out now now we need to figure out your life [Applause] my whole life does not my decision has nothing to do with the city or another city it has to do with winter um are we ready hmm it's uh 6 32 on july june 3 30th 2022 i will call the order to city council meeting for that date um kim would you take the roll call please member wilson here here acting mayor bishop here uh you join me for the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance um the first day of a business is to adopt the agenda i move that we adopt the agenda is there a second i will second that all in favor all right next is the consent agenda and um [Music] seem to have misplaced the well the things on the consent agenda are the monthly claims june 2nd city council meeting minutes the resolution 2025 2022 05 experience conditional use permit 165 lincoln church road and the city does not waver waive the monetary limits on municipal torque liability okay thank you yeah um is there any discussion on any of that i have none no well in that case i'll move to approve consent agenda uh i will second it all in favor all right i see nobody from the public here i assume that there are no public comments so we will then proceed to our unfinished and new business and it looks like the first a is consideration of bids 2022 bituminous pavement crack ceiling project had an opportunity to talk with mr perotti not recently but i have also looked at his most recent bid that he had online today i think it came and uh there were there were two uh bids that were given one from farmer f f a h m e r asphalt sealers for 7 303 and to the allied blacktop company for 10 950. for those that have any question as to what the what we're talking about here uh it's basically some of the newer roads that we've done probably in the last five years that have developed cracks in them which tend to go perpendicular to the way the traffic goes and in my judgment i've looked at them at least the ones in front of the afternoon lakeland school as well as the ones on gwinnell that are up by 2nd street north at the end of it this is about five sections of highway within the city um i personally think that the amount that they're asking is uh um too much and um but i'm willing to hear argument uh one way or the other as to whether you think this is something that we need to do i think mr perotti indicated we could either accept one of these bids and sign and give permission for kim to sign the contract or we could there were three things and as usual i can only remember two of them the other was to continue the matter until next year 2023 to see if we could maybe get on it a little bit earlier and get some bits that were um more numerous um or we could just decline to do anything so that's what i have to say i uh it's something that needs to be done but the amount that we're having to spend for to me is too much money and i'd rather personally rather wait a year yes kim actually mayor council members uh you were looking for an argument i'm gonna throw it in there um i know that this sort of project really really adds to the the um age or the uh years of a roadway and if you don't do it at some point um the world's going to deteriorate much quicker than it normally would but my main comment on this is waiting till next year the prices are going to go up based on everything that's going on here um with the economy uh cost of gas it would it's a it's a guess it's uh that it's going to go even higher um right now it's really really tough to get any work done i'm um honestly surprised he even got two bits because these guys are just too busy and they're working on the larger projects as far as i'm concerned in looking at the cracks they're real i realize that they tend to get larger um but you know right at the moment you'd be lucky if you get a sheet of paper to slide in the crack okay at least on quinnell and fourth street i honestly did not look at the one on the division circle and i've walked coyote which is around the numbers 3 313 326 uh coyote and i can't say that i've noticed it but i wasn't particularly looking um i uh i i just think that if we put it off a year and i realize it has to be done but if we put it off a year to me it would be uh perhaps an opportunity to hook on with somebody else that's doing it in the community and maybe if we started a little bit earlier looking we could sign somebody up so that they had a little bigger project than what we've got i'm not sure when they say crack ceiling whether this is routing out the crack and filling it with asphalt in some way or whether it's it can't be the what i think of normally is the toilet paper routine that's what it is that's what it is crack filler approved rubberized crack filler paper but you couldn't get anything within in the crack here because of the size because it's so narrow well as i recall this was uh route cracks is necessary uh blow cracks and clean with compressed air as necessary right so and then fill with dot approved rubberized crack filler and cover with toilet paper okay anyway that's my feeling anybody else is gonna uh i mean i don't feel strongly one way or the other i just uh i know this work all you know you can't keep pushing it down the road uh but i think it would you know it isn't a big increase but as kim mentioned i think a little bit of now sealing that off because it's going to be the elements that deteriorate with the water and stuff and like she said everything is going up but so it's really going to help the longevity of the road if we get it done now or next year now it's going to be better you know easier to keep it going for longevity tom you're gonna feeling one way the other um no i don't have a feeling one way or the other i guess i'm i i'm looking at it with both sides and i'm kind of looking at it that yeah if it costs us 7 300 this year it's probably gonna cost us 85 next year you know i mean um just just based on on the fact that piggybacking with somebody there's value in that i understand that but um that requires us to find somebody to win that yeah so if i was to think about it right now i'm thinking i'd this is the only thing we got on the schedule for the year right as far as roads go well we have this one other thing which is b this is a on the unfinished business we have b which is the spray emulsion stuff but uh i'm totally against that one that doesn't mean it can't be done i've been here long enough to know that you know you put some stuff off and you pay later i mean i i really do it's just i look at quinlan sometimes and i can remember back when they first put it in and then it was going to last forever well it didn't when did they put it in you know uh quinlan was initially laid in gravel in 83 that went it stopped at first street south and went back to the highway and so along quinlan from there past my place and passed him then all the way down to um where it runs into the dead end there yeah that was all gravel downwards well the chavez you have any idea what year the hospital is the asphalt came in in 90 i think 90. so it's been 30 years yeah yeah so it's been a long time and um well just since we're kind of talking about roads here uh my idea for quinlan and the southern end or southern end of lakeland shores road is to to get parody to do the whatever he has to do the soil samples that type of stuff where we might be actually doing something major to those two roads okay not this year but in the near future depending on what kind of doubt or no equipment going all the way from fourth street down to division oh so all the way up about north fourth street or southwest street no we're talking about south we're right from from where you live okay that's division all the way down to forest okay so yeah it is a 30 year old that night that's there roughly speaking and our road you know which is pretty narrow from if you do just the south end of it is is also kind of one of those roads that kind of needs to be done here in the near future okay yeah and that that well and that that one that was a private drive for a while and he went back to a road and it's it's uh it's had a checkered past so anyway yeah i just say nothing but how they're going to do it and let people get to their house but um so you know i just throw that out as part of that discussion as to what when we start talking about the spray emotion part of it that tip so so if we don't have any further discussion at least on a which is the consideration of bids for 2022 bituminous payment crack stealing project um is there a motion to accept one of the bids yeah i'll make a motion to accept the farner asphalt sealer for the 7303 i'll second all those in favor all right okay now on to b and d okay b deals with this uh spray emulsion thing which we just did last year for the whole town and uh it costs about talk about increasing prices about half of what they have there now i think we paid around five thousand dollars for it no longer need spray emulsion on the north end of town from 2nd street going north in lakeland shores because of some repair that's taken place so these bids are probably not reflective of current condition yeah you know in other words there'd be less roads that this particular person would be covering okay because certain roads don't need it anymore so and if we were to decide tonight or sometime in the near future to have sch and jeff rody do the preliminary work to do you know a more major job on quinlan and the south end of lakeland shores road um i feel like it's kind of using money that we really you know i mean i've walked quinlan enough so that i know it's cosmetically you know it's not particularly appealing but i don't it's not going to break your tie rod end if they still have those no that type of stuff it's it's that upper layer approximately a half inch to 5 8 of an inch peeling off and leaving some gaps so as to be which is consideration of bids 2022 spray patching project is there any further discussion on that new business with that um i would move that we do no spray emotion uh patching in the year 2022 i'll second that motion all those in favor aye third thing is consideration of the joint powers agreement in the lower st valley fire department budget and levees i assume tom that you being the mathematician that you are that you've got something that you could say about it that would enlighten us all that so that when my eyes glazed over when i was trying to read it sideways on the computer okay can i be honest with you that's the first time i'm looking at it okay point when i when i leave the fire department i leave the fire department take a minute or maybe tim you maybe you've perused it or something yeah we went over it i know i went through it i mean it's just it's the original agreement they just made some changes to it got rid of some a few things probably just are we talking about the train powers are you talking about the budget joint powers okay tell what you were talking about yeah okay yeah yeah so they i'm sorry i'm gonna interrupt council members um item 4c is the rental agreement oh okay excuse me no that's all right okay we have a rental agreement with um saint croix uh losing my mind here like sanctuary beach big sig croy beach and um as a matter of fact i stopped in today to talk to dave engstrom and uh the mayor was here from lake syncroy beach and he asked us whether we were enjoying it on renting and they said we were and thanked them profusely and i would move that we if there's no further discussion that we uh uh and i'm assuming the rental agreement doesn't have a price increase um mr mayor acting mayor and council members it does of 25 a month so it's 150 yes okay [Applause] with that in mind uh if there's no further discussion i know that we uh enter into or have kim sign the contract or i'll sign it for the rental agreement with lake sinclair beach i'll second it all in favor aye aye then we have what i thought was c now it's d consideration of joint powers agreement and budget and levies is that one vote kim i was actually uh acting accounts uh mayor council members i was actually confused as well the way the email was sent out and all these documents it can be one vote or you can take it separately that's up to you well let's do it as one for simplicity reasons tim uh is there any you know uh thing in there that when you were when you looked at it or been at a meeting or anything else that was revolutionary or earth shaking in the kind of changes that may have been made from what we previously have been in agreement with no it's mostly updating there was one part but i don't see it in here it was if he wanted if somebody wanted to access the feed from the district but maybe that's a different one but yeah yeah go ahead it was it in here no i couldn't fi i was kind of looking for it because i heard rumblings yeah but i'm surprised i couldn't find it and it's uh um it's a it's a weird thing because it's when i look at it it's kind of like it talks about how somebody gets thrown out but it doesn't talk about if somebody wants to leave and so that to me is um yeah in the old way it was written it had to be a unanimous consent to get out of the agreement or get out of the joint powers but i can't well the only way people they you you would have to have some sort of fire protection i take it right i mean for a town um you can contract with anybody right i mean you know i mean i i get into this conversation every now and then that that there are fire protection districts that cover like west lakeland is covered by bayport but it's it's not they're not a joint contract com look at that joint powers it's it's a um i'm gonna say it's a the contract price kind of thing there's an agreement yeah agreement and i'm not exactly and it i think it ends up on this i when i tried to talk to people about it that nobody really knows unless they've had a fire call but i think they build the homeowner on if they have a run you mean wesley yeah they build a homeowner and that bill goes to insurance and i mean that's the way i know other people do it but other areas do it but it's uh how shall we say it it's kind of a capitalistic approach for lack of a better term because in our current situation we lose money on fire we always have in my 15 years on the board fire never paid for itself ambulance did and ambulance in some cases pay for fire i mean we always end up with a balanced budget but it was ambulance makes a little money that covers the fire loss but as far as like tim i'm sorry i kind of walked on you here but it's it's uh how someone's draws from this i thought was an issue and i kept trying to find it too and i couldn't find it in this yeah i'm surprised it's not in here was there any in any of the meetings anybody's been to has there been any talk about somebody thinking they might want to i have i have always had the impression and now i'm on the outside and so i can say things a little differently but i've always had kind of had the impression that afton feels they're getting taken advantage of we've had a couple conversations about that with them when i was a fireboard chair and it was a lot of thing was just math i mean they get about 42 and these are old numbers they and i recall they got about 42 of the runs total but they made they paid for 48 of the budget the budget and i said that's very true but we all pay for the mutual aid and the i-94 stuff and if there's and just to simplify it if there's 40 runs and afton has 15 well that's not 48 percent but 10 of those runs were to i-94 so now we're down to 30. you got 50 percent of the runs so we're giving you a deal and and uh afghan representatives have kind of fought me on that but i mean it's the same for us is there any place for them to go would they would be right yeah they could go to woodbury um uh i don't think they go to unlike denmark township which is south of them is hastings that's a poke i mean that would be that would be terrible um that i think we covered i'm going to say 50th street maybe 60th and it that's that's 20 miles for hastings but i i i don't know what they want to do and the from what i got from tim and our conversation with this schroeder sorry is that there's a bit of a they wanted to do a few things that eliminated the unanimous vote kind of thing but he didn't really tell me much about that but and i get that's why i feel like i'm you probably have a little bit more than i do yeah i was trying i i can't find it okay but yeah yeah that's what it was yeah in the timing of the timing thing and the financially if they have to still contribute till x amount of time or whatever it was and i'm sure that they have knowing those guys i'm sure they have done some chasing around and fact-finding and i'm but i'm pretty sure that you know it if they can think they can get a better deal that's great but they're going to have to their their run times are going to be a little nasty and and so on acting american council members i'll just add to that it's my understanding and i know this in other communities the further out those fire departments are the higher the residents insurances yep that's right i mean it's that five mile ring and hydrants and all now see that's the thing with afton is afton doesn't have a lot of hydrants and so their their fire protection costs on a homeowner's insurance are higher than yours and i ours are because we gotta we're within five miles of the fire department and we have a hydrant that's down a corner kind of thing but uh so as far as this joint power is growing i mean i've looked at it a couple times and what i see here oh you found it yeah it's on the last page is that what that means any notice any notice to joint powers district requiring or permitting to be given under this agreement shall be in writing and shall not which and shall be sent by certified mail to the registered address of the joint power district so then that boy that doesn't tell me much because i know they talked about because they have you know your budget for the whole year someone left in january yeah or i'm sorry july yeah they'd still have to be you know financially responsible yeah they'll be fine they're responsible for their budget amounts until the end of that yeah and i'm surprised that or something of that wasn't in here anyway we're probably done discussing our knowledge of it um are we prepared to end that discussion and take a vote on the approval of this joint powers agreement and uh budget and levies your emotions on that i'm tim you if you want to kick it off that's yeah i'll make a motion that we um approve it the joint powers agreement i'll second it all in favor aye aye i'm gonna say nate just there's just something about this there's this has some holes in it that bother me a little bit so i'm just going to say that okay then we have a consideration of resolution number 2022-06 election judges oh do we want to look at the budget for the fire department i thought we were doing it all at once okay that's fine yep we were within the five percent right tim on the bottom yeah fighting was four and a half okay good then we're good um i'll just say acting american council members the resolution for the election judges is basically housekeeping required by the county has to be approved ahead of the primary in general yeah you know i don't have one i looked at it and had the election judge it seemed like it was the same cast of characters that we normally have savage and [Music] a few others about five of them is there any discussion concerning this resolution 2022 the election judges how do you want to do this kim do you want to take a roll call or it's i certainly will if you would like it's not required for a resolution okay um all those in favor of uh but i do need the most motion i'll make a motion we approve this okay what is it 20 206 yep okay call a second all those in favor hi hi um f of the unfinished new business is uh scheduled a 2023 budget work session this basically deals with i believe our september meeting in which we normally have to get a budget that we can lower but we can't get any higher in in other words we're just kind of stuck with that number but we could lower it if we wanted to shoot high in september and so the question comes down to is whether we need a half hour or 45 minutes or an hour ahead of the september meeting to discuss with the treasurer and kim and anybody else that i guess once basically the city council acting mayor and i honestly believe i assume that the kim that our treasurer will send out the information ahead of time in august oh yes yeah yeah it would be part of your your packet i guess it would be a separate packet yes right yep so and this is nothing that needs to be voted on obviously right we're just going to make a decision make a decision and announce it okay and what is the scheduled meeting date in september you know wow it would be september 1st oh okay does uh with that in mind uh i i think uh 45 minutes is more than enough a half hour probably is enough but uh you know if anybody's going to feeling one way or the other concerning the discussion brief discussion with the treasurer after having looked over the figures for the next budget uh half hour enough i think a half hour okay then let's do a half hour uh that means we'll be meeting here at six o'clock uh on september 1st for a workshop uh on the budget and i'm assuming you will notify the treasurer kim council and staff reports did i miss uh something on the resolution 2022 oh no that was in the consent agenda excuse me um so uh staff updates kim uh acting mayor council members i have nothing to say now uh i have i just got noticed today of the renewing renewal of our recycling contract we're having a meeting july 13th siemens point um there's an automatic increase built into the contract every year we usually have a meeting with highland the contractor carrier and discuss anything that anybody's got you know as far as so if something somebody's got something about the recycling you know don't hesitate to let me know uh but i have not heard a peep from anybody about recycling problems i don't know if you've heard anything kim but acting mayor council members that was the smoothest transition i have ever seen i don't believe that one single complaint came in i had i had two phone calls initially and it was about it was our somebody has a business that the mac tool guy yeah mako two glide that was down the street from down quinlan from me and i talked to him i talked to bobby uh from highland and bobby said well we don't want to do businesses and i said it's a guy's house he's you know i mean well now everybody's house is their office but but that was and i said they are contracted if it's not he wanted another bucket is what he wanted and i said but even if there's no bucket and you lean cardboard against that that bucket they have to pick it up it's in the contract and that was fine i mean that's the only thing i had but it's it's gone well and i'm sure there are other things that will come up but i just want to let you know that that's coming in a couple weeks and and i'll be going to the meeting because i'm the official recycle guy and the the city did just receive it just a couple weeks ago it's an automatic deposit your grant the recycling grant from the county um i took care of uh submitting that grant application and it was deposited so thank you so that's all i have you know i can tell you that they're almost the same yeah they're in that five-minute window every window i mean i know they're there you know i i know when i go out to get the paper at seven o'clock then i better get the recycling barrel out yeah because seven or five or seven twenty or whatever he's gonna be there and so he's really good so anyway i i um they've done a fine job as far as i'm concerned they have tim you got anything no no nothing um i did get a complaint today and uh not a paper one okay but uh phone call and it i went and i don't know whether i've taken care of it or not but i did go and talk to our new residents in shiner's bar the contractor the chris chris and i did not get to talk to him my very efficient secretary stopped me at the door and so i did talk to her they've been exiting out on the second street north and i mean more than just one or two cars i mean they moved to boulder in order to do it and um i think we need a follow-up letter on that kim uh just i mean i don't know whether the secretary is going to tell chris or what but you know he knew i mean we made it explicitly clear that you know maybe when they dealt with that a lot there if they wanted to separate the two lots that more than likely it was all going to have to use the same driveway and they couldn't exit out into 2nd street north and they've obviously decided to do that anyhow and i don't i've never seen anybody do it but the the grass is worn so there is no grass there anymore i guess i i got into i got into a conversation with them after the meeting and i guess i understood what transpired here but i guess i got a little lost in the process because we passed a cup now did that eliminate the one from the bar that go away the cup that was there for the bar uh see that that that and this is where my brain went when i was thinking about this and legal minds deal with this stuff better than i do but we passed the cup a new cup and within that cup it did not specifically say state that they could use that driveway but it also said didn't say that they couldn't in the one we passed acting mayor council members that that is inaccurate the site plan is attached to that cp and it shows there is no access there there's never been access there oh yes there is there's always been access there but it's been blocked off physical access yes if you look in the county there's there that driveway is on the county map but it's not ever been used but i remember they came to us on the flood run yeah and wanted to and we did it for one day yeah and that i i don't disagree with any of that but that the only time that access wasn't there is when the llamas were in there and there there is no old cop on that property we certainly made it clear in our conversations here whether that's worth anything or not that that was something that was probably not going to happen you know even if he decided to subdivide the city can't hold him to that condition because that's what was approved the there is no access there there was no driveway shown on that site plan but i would i will absolutely follow up on that via a phone call or email um writing a letter that city really needs to have that complaint form filled out and submitted to the city uh before a formal letter goes out okay but i will absolutely follow up with him okay i'll check in with the person that called me this morning okay and you know he didn't file a written complaint he just called me and so i was there i just stopped in on my way through and that's absolutely fine what i'm saying is that i'll follow up via phone or email um if in fact it continues per the person that talked to you then i would advise them to fill out the formal complaint and it's on the website um oh i did get a verbal complaint from one of our city council members uh concerning some of the uh street signs that are up there on oh quinlan the one on fourth street if you're going up fourth street away from 18 you know going east you know you can barely read it okay the street sign is uh which says fourth street on it okay um so i haven't gone around to check you know i need to actually go around and actually see how many there are i one of the reasons i stopped in at the lake st croy beach city hall today was to talk to dave angstrom about where he gets his signs from and he just happened to have gotten another catalog so he gave me the catalog the signs as far as i can figure out but don't hold me to it are approximately um i think fifty dollars a piece um depending on how big they are and that type of stuff okay so you're just talking about the name placards for the streets streets yeah and i'm not counting and i'm not i'm i'm talking about me going out there removing the ones that are obliterated or to the point where conceivably somebody that was in the neighborhood that wanted to know they were on fourth street you know couldn't because they can't read it okay so i just wanted to let you know that i will be i don't think i need to have permission or anything to just order whatever signs they need i don't think there's more than i'm sure it's under 10 i think it's more like six maybe okay that need to be replaced and uh if i put it on my credit card kim can i get reimbursed by the city absolutely okay i mean but it's okay for me to put it on my credit card it is okay or you can place an order and they will build you okay build the city right and then you could go to neil yep okay um other than that i don't think i have anything additional to say concerning [Music] complaints uh you know there's been several calls just uh for a heads up there was a call on the on the car lot that uh is no longer a car lot and there was a there was also a call on the vacant lot believe it or not okay that i i got okay and uh i won't discuss them on the record but uh uh i just wanted to let you know that there's some people showing some interest that way oh okay so we're talking the vacant lot next to the building that where the car lot waters are going across the street no we're talking about the one right next to billy case just north of it the one where the guy died yeah yeah okay and then we're talking about the vegan lot which i think is right across the street from there across first street there yeah okay yeah that's what i meant yeah okay okay i don't have anything additional does anybody else have anything additional that in mind being 7 15 i moved that we uh closed the meeting of june 30th 2022. hi a second all in favor aye aye now that lot across the street that used to be larry's suffering club years ago really you