okay lifty [Applause] i gotta go i'll i gotta read stuff so a little early good plan uh at this time uh as acting mayor i'll call to order the city council meeting september 1st 2022 at approximately 6 34 in the evening kim would you take roll call please here wilson here here active mayor bishop here at this time would you all please join me in the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance is that we adopt the agenda i make a motion to adopt the agendas or second i'll second wilson all in favor aye aye aye this brings us to the public comment section and i believe that excuse me the consent agenda okay excuse me um the consent agenda has two items a is approved monthly claims and b is uh june 30th uh 2022 city council meeting minutes is there any is there a motion to approve those uh the consent agenda i'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda i'll second it all those in favor all right now we get to the public comments and um there seems to be uh some concern on the part of uh the people that uh own first choice builders and i assume that you because chris yep okay and um and it's my understanding from kim here tonight uh without going through the process of amending the conditional use permit that was approved sometime during 2022 i believe but to get feedback from the city council to [Music] determine perhaps where the city council stands on granting you a amendment to your condition to use permit is that pretty much expressed yeah i would yeah generally specifically one part yeah why don't you go up there just sign in and state your name and address and then we'll go from there i'll just remind all of the council the concept plan review is typically used prior to applications coming into the city no action is taken and it generally is just to give feedback to a potential applicant prior to them having to go through the application process and getting all the necessary documentation the site plan and labels for the public hearing notices it kind of cuts down on their cost if they get some feedback first okay okay sir why don't you go ahead and state perhaps more concise method or of what exactly it is that you're here for today um listening to kim describe that it kind of dawned on me we i came in in february and kind of discussed the cup and purchasing 157 saint croix trail the former shiners um we applied for the cup um with all the documents and came into march my time frame was fairly quick to move into the building so we wanted to get that through at that meeting you know we went through the cup you guys approved it the discussion on the access to second street was brought up but it was on the site plan and um again detailing that i guess i'm here to try to understand you know a why we can't use that access or be what we need to do to use that access um in order to you know again i think i sent an email to the council members just looking online just asking you know or stating that i really feel it's vital to kind of how we operate um the boulders in front of it being blocked has been brought up you know i understand if it's a bar right you know a bar where people are leaving at late hours i could understand that that's better for the community we're a totally different business um that i guess i just need help understanding you know kind of the reason why you know i'm not able to use the access that's there so and you know what what it would take anybody uh acting there and council members i do just like that i distributed uh copies of the site plan that was um submitted with that cup um just because the boulders are there that that does not mean he was asking for access that does not what's on the site plane does not constituted access there was no driveway dimensions there was no detail in terms of materials what kind of driveway it would be what it was made out of i do believe it's a commercially zoned site which um i believe it's going from memory 65 is max impervious surface and i recall at the with the cep discussion council member schroeder said he would be very concerned about want those numbers in terms of the impervious surface right i mean it was my understanding that at least with my memory that um when you when you were before us for the conditional use permit you indicated that that it's two lots there and there's the possibility of severing severing those two lots that was part of the discussion and um for the i'm sorry for the cup or before the cup like when i came in in february it would be my belief that it was during the request for the cop that they that we either granted as i understand it it was made very clear that [Music] that there was only one access road into those two lots and that is the one you're using off the stagecoach and that if anything was to change specifically i guess most of us were maybe thinking or at least speaking for myself that if it was going to change it would probably be upon use maybe severing the two lots that you have there and selling that more northern northern lot as a separate piece of property to whatever type of business or whoever wanted to purchase it and um it's my understanding that at the cup hearing in march i guess if that's your memory of it um that it was made clear that the egress on the second street north uh if there ever was one which i'm you know nobody's shown me yet there was that either way that it would not be allowed at least while a two lots were being used by your company okay and um whether or not it could change in the future if you ever sever that lot and sell it to somebody else that's maybe a different story i'm not giving you any hope there i'm just saying that you know it changes considerations uh considerably but that's my memory of it and i do know for a fact that it was made clear that the only access would be from stagecoach and sanctuary trail yeah saint croy jail excuse me and um that'd be a long great one yeah so that's how i remember it i when i drive by there since i have to drive by every day in order to get to my house on second street north there are three stumps there that have been cut down not by you but you know by somebody okay that i doubt people were driving over okay although you probably could in a truck um and then there was the one where the rocks are which somebody might inter interpret as access to that northern lot and as far as i know at least on the eight years that i've been around on the city council you know whenever the flood run was being based out of shiner's bar and restaurant they came to us and asked for permission to move those removal rocks so the motorcycles could enter on saint croix trail and exit on 2nd street north and for that 24-hour period or whatever the flood run the length of time it runs we granted that but that's the only time that i've known of that anybody ever used that with the city's permission okay yeah so i was i was rolling zoning for a guy for 12 years before john correct or john took it over after me so i i think i'd go back to like 2002 and that property was a llama lot that had a fence had the trees around it and that's where the trees got cut and just because somebody takes and cuts the trees and puts gravel down and you get a picture of it doesn't mean it's an access it's never had an access it was they used it for a flood run prior owners put gravel down thought they could make it at access it got shut down that's why we got the boulders and and so on even even you go on division street we had an issue here this is even before i right when i built my house there was a burn between the north and south and the division and somebody had a guy come in and dig the berm out and put gravel down well that there was no access you know so they put the berm back just because somebody goes in and clears a path puts something down doesn't make it or created an access when they redid county road 18 we fought trying to get a driveway on county road 18 and they wouldn't give us access is that the same criteria yeah yeah for that property right and so being that said and that's you know and that's and even even at the primary election i went to vote and you know all three election judges confronted me about what's going on and how come the boulder was moved how come they're driving on there they shouldn't have access it's not an access and so the residents feel very strong about that so and i made my and i made my point clear when you came in to purchase the property that we won't have access to that grant access because there is no access on that property from 2nd street north council members my name is john markert i'm counsel for first choice builders um councilman schroeder you bring up a good point that property is a separate property it's um two parcels that are now owned by first choice well technically one five seven property exactly 157 properties llc that the cup the way it's written right now describes uh a condition that the property can't be sold so that it cannot that northern parcel cannot be sold without permission from the city council that's a condition without amending the city acting america and council members there is a condition which is very typical that if personal one and parcel two they must be considered collectively for this cup that's what the cup was applied for it was the two properties and the condition just says that if one of the parcels is sold they have to come in for an amended cp right so technically the north parcel does not have access to a roadway what the north parcel does not have access there's an easement how is that there's an easement for all three parcels there's an easement that serves the parcel to the east and to the parcel to the south it doesn't serve the power so there's an easement between the three lots correct but not the north one correct it's not in the property how do people get there without access from second street they used to have access there was no access saint croix trail which was removed when the highway was redone so at this point there was no access from saint croix trail to that property directly okay there always was an easement where it is now there never was access to that property from sanctuary trail highway 95 or whatever you want to call it okay well the property records for the north parcel don't show that easement as being benefiting that property so the question we have is is there a application process for 157 to apply to the city to get access for from that lot onto second street so let me ask you this since you have the legal knowledge here um do you mean first choice or whoever owns it can't grant an easement to use the same driveway they use it could conceivably yes is there a conflict there's no conflict at all what i'm saying is that each parcel under state law is entitled to reasonable access to a roadway it's not required that the property owner even though it's mutually owned use an easement for that particular property so all we're asking is there a process through the city for which we can apply for access from that lot onto second street because i look through the code and i don't see that there's a process that's outlined in the city code mr american council members that has been explained to mr cross over and over it's an amended cup that is the process um i will also note that you have your own uh legal counsel that put out a memo regarding the unconditional right of access and basically he indicated that the city can eliminate or not allow that access it's conditions of approval for a conditional use permit and the city can put in any reasonable conditions can i ask questions do you have a certificate of occupancy right now is the building finished yep isaac finished it off okay about a week or so ago nervous got a notice of that no and so what so that empty lot in your cup what is that designated for just overflow parking correct um on the site plan i showed an area for future fenced in storage and so when i drive by it so if it's finished and i drive by it every day and you moved in what end of february march correct beginning of march is yeah yeah and started and so we got you know road restrictions through the middle of may end of may and now i drive by and i see piles of concrete sitting there sand brush trailers building materials so is that in violation of your cop or not it's that's there it's in the process of getting moved we've had it so you know i i mean and i know and i'm in the trade so i know what it's like but you know so i look at that uh how would i say it uh you know it's been may restrictions been off it's we got june july august we'll start september so we're gonna see that and that was all three all three of those judges brought that up to me it's and they say it's an eyesore and and you you probably remember we could go back on record when i said that i don't want to see crap because we're dealing with it on the other property i i don't want to see that either i actually yeah it's it's been it's been a crazy summer and it's it will be gone by um but well before winter and again i hate looking at it myself because i want to have an and just and just so you know i have him be driving home one day and i didn't complain because i thought well i'm not going to complain because i know people are going to complain about that boulder being moved and somebody in the dark pick up with the topper and i don't know there's a couple of them that's probably me and got in their pickup purposely went north where the boulder was went on second street turned and went north and i'm like so they could have went out the other access but they purposely went through where the boulder was and you know that's why we're getting these complaints you know and the other issue is uh you know what happens when we have road restrictions on and heavy equipment you know stuff you know people go in and out of there well so but during the i guess i've just helped help me kind of understand i mean i you know i came in before it's and i understand that everybody else has to do roundabouts and that kind of stuff i mean to me it was perceived that that was a potential access in purchasing the property we talked about it i understood but you got your you know we told you it wasn't going to be an access yeah so i mean it's it i i would have it was on the cup you know you know to show that it was there so i guess the question is you know can it be re-reviewed without a new cup it everybody we're talking about it as a as if it's a blocked access so to me that kind of indicates and i don't know if it's verbiage that it is an access or it has been an access so i perceived it as it accessed and that's why i put it as existing lot access on the site plan with no curb cut detailed because that's my understanding of doing that was indicating the use and we did discuss it but then there was no mention of again other than the discussion of not using it and that's what went to the county so i guess my question is what's stopping is it you know council members for reasonable access through that as a business that's purchased the property that am approaching daily multiple times a day from the north and exiting in the need to go south multiple times a day for that convenience i guess the complaints and i totally understand and if you guys want to give me a time limit it will be done on getting everything out of the parking lot such as the gravel and sand that process is already in place i mean i i hate to say it we fought this battle years ago when they put those stupid roundabouts in yeah about closing access up and having to go north to go south and you know there's only a certain number of properties that are on a corner lot that have access to a public street so i guess i guess if i can you know what are what's stopping the city is it that you know the person across the street who came out and yelled at my wife when she was cutting the grass about the excess is that the person who again that i've heard from other people have complained about other things he you know he lives in a um if he was so concerned about the business they're not here about him yeah okay and acting mayor and council members i i would like to get back on task uh the applicant has been advised how to move forward with allowing that access it's an amended cop i will remind everyone conditional use permits run with the land if there are any changes to them you have to amend the cuv right and the cups that have been recorded for the existing north lot don't mention anything about access either being there or not being there or one being blocked so that's why we were coming to the council to say what were the reasons why it got blocked that there was never an accident there's never a boulder so i put there because we're using that we're using it as an access and there never was an accident okay and so the what council is telling us is we need to do an amended cup to make a request for access onto second street is that accurate with the plans the detailed plans in terms of driveway dimensions the material that would be used you need to demonstrate that it doesn't go over the 65 impervious surface and again i would ask for some feedback before you go through that process exactly and so the question we would have is is there where the existing location is is that objectionable and should mr cost be looking at a different area along second street that would be more amenable to the city council if we're going to go through the effort of doing an amended cp is there well as a physical location i don't see a big problem with that one because basically going in and out of that parking lot you might be pointed at somebody's garage door with headlights but that's kind of it you're not going to be directed pointed at a house you do miss the garage yeah i mean it's it's offset reasonably but i'm giving them the benefit of the down oh that's right that was when the bar was there they had trouble driving straight but no but no it's and i think you and i talked about that fact that that driveway does not directly shine on anybody's house from so from that perspective i think that's a fine location but that's just my two cents if we're going that way i will just note to the applicant as well a potential applicant uh applying for amended cep you know what the process is for the regular seat so you can get most of it the site plan would not be too much to update with that information um but it does require another public hearing and all the neighbors do have to be notified and i will you had nobody here at the last one um which was really nice for you i i would expect a house full um one thing that came up during that cup discussion what that kim you suggested to the council members was voting a time access or like time restrictions time restrictions of using that and i don't know why it didn't go that way again i was hesitant to put you know to question because i was in the property and i didn't need the cup at that time and i didn't want to step because i think we said at one point well we can table this and come back and i wanted to make sure we had no we know no i mean i wouldn't have tabled something like that oh cur i've i felt like we should just get this cup and if i needed to address the driveway to do it again which it sounds like is an amended cup um because i was i thought i again my intent was that you know saying that i wanted that and i was surprised that we didn't get there so um is there any i mean if we go through this process does it come down to a vote i guess that's my question like yeah and that's that's there's it's just about yay or nay because it sounds like there's a lot of nays you're getting a good feeling yeah i mean it's not a good feeling but you're getting the feeling okay and um they say i'm not going to promise anything for the future but you know if you were had sold this and were coming to us i think that you know we would be in a position where we have to probably uh figure out what we're going to do okay whereas the way it is right now i don't see you know much chance of it actually going through okay with a with an amended cop if i would have did you say what's that council what did you say if i would have was if to sell the property right well okay and i'm not guaranteeing that that would be the solution either i mean you know i mean the person that's buying the property by everywhere has to understand you know he's got to figure out how he's going to get out of there okay what kind of property it's going to be i don't know who what type of person would buy that particular piece of property i'm just saying that considering the way i remember our discussions at the time you were in for this conventional use permit in my mind it was very clear that the only exit an entrance to that property was from um saint croix trail if you i don't believe you were here in the march meeting i think it was just tim tom and tim for that because i did review the video just trying to look at that just to make sure to understand and be prepared yeah is there are there city ordinances that would stop me or is it truly a vote by the four of you i guess again i'm not trying to right no i'm not trying to that's why we volunteered to do this glorious job yeah well and again i asked john to help me because i just i don't know if you know it doesn't to me it doesn't make sense to you know fight about it i just you know what help understanding on if there's a reasonable reason why you know my employees and only my employees you know to use that i know there was discussion part of that discussion is anybody could pull in there and dry it drive around i mean we can put signage first choice employees only you know i'm not gonna barnes is not gonna be able to i'm not gonna grant them access to cross my property to use that with semi-trucks i mean that will not happen and that could definitely be a condition if that's what it is is it can for the conditional use permit i guess i just you know help me understand how i can or help me understand why it's such a bad thing for me to go in and out of that acting you know of that on the second street for how i'm going to use it why apply and then you'll find out with them with the residents coming in here so i mean that it's up you guys will follow their leaves at the idea well we all have our own my personal idea but yeah i mean you know like i said i'm involved in our city council for you know city government for 20 years and that that has been a hot hot topic can i ask each of you the you know what's the one biggest thing that um you would like me to address in order to get here why that wouldn't be reasonable to have access like what's this one thing that's stopping it so i at least have a direction to go i guess the way i feel is it's not necessary okay you know you've got a way to get in and out of your properties if you want to be generous to the person you sell it to i certainly would grant them the ability to use the driveway they really use and that way we don't have to deal with the community reaction to something that i know is not going to be favorable okay well if you do so do you have enough parking access for the current building and property for the employees and staff and all that customers i'd have to look at the regulations in our occupancy load and i'll also note in that case and he has every right to sell but again i'm an amended cop right would have to come through with just that property that you intended on still utilizing so and that process part of that process would be ensuring that there's enough parking and stalls in the ada compliance stall and storage area so i did notice you put a new sign up and on your cup it says no sign has been reviewed or approved as part of the cu by cup all signage must comply but i believe i discussed that with kim and just did you pull permits for that we didn't erect a sign we'd change the rendering on it i would assume i mean there was no change to the sign itself yeah let but you know and tim you know just asking no i know and you know let's okay you know we need to get on with the rest of our city business i wish i could be more favorable in saying you know apply and you know it's going to happen you know my feeling is if you apply for amended cop that conceivably you know it's not going to be successful okay that's just my gut feeling okay we appreciate the feedback okay thank you thank you thank you thank you have a great rest yep thank you tim i just didn't want to get into it okay thank you no problem no worries uh let's see we are to uh subsection five unfinished and new business a is of five is consideration of trail maintenance agreement has everybody had a chance to peruse that uh well on acting mayor council members i'll just note that um this was from 2000 it's from like three years ago um and so when the county approached uh me on getting this approved i was like whoa okay but why wasn't it approved back then what's going on and she did send me an email that kind of explained that that they were waiting to include different uh items benches a shelter um so the county just held on to the maintenance agreements until those could be included um then i will also note that all the cities um that are involved have to approve this and i did notice on other cities agendas it was just a consent agenda item but i wanted to put it on the agenda in case you had any questions and in reading it you know they talk about snowplowing and maintenance and that type of stuff um i've never felt that we have any i mean on occasion i've heard somebody complain you know that the branches may be sticking out over the trail a little bit and would somebody please cut them back and i certainly wouldn't mind doing that you know just as a volunteer thing but um we're not under any obligation to keep it snow plowed or i thought we couldn't think of the snowmobiles they groom it and the only thing is we try to make sure that the crosswalks are opened up so the kids don't have to crawl over the snow bank and yeah the tennis court so all we're doing is is hopefully um consenting to something that has basically been in existence for three years without without a document yes okay does anybody have any discussion uh about this no oh i move that we sign this cooperative agreement between the state of lakeland shores and washington county for maintenance of afton lakeland saint croix trail dealing i'm assuming with only that portion that's within lakeland shores um so i'm bringing that motion to approve it is there a second i second the motion all in favor second thing is the consideration of the recycling agreement contract you got one minute um conversations with kim but basically uh we have an option we can get we can i don't want to say renew but re do a five year contract with price changing every year which will be in the contract it will be and i think it's a i can't remember i think it's a three or five percent maximum increase between the years uh or go with a single year contract that we do five times over the five year period i'm all pulling for eight it's what we had uh as kim and i have discussed it's probably one of the it's been a really great contract and the out the service has been outstanding um any problems we've had i've been able to get a hold of bobby at highland and and talk to him about it and discuss the the contract as to at one point when we had a a tool salesman in our neighborhood he's since retired but uh maybe once every two months his uh cardboard content was exceptionally high he'd get some shipping deliveries and he would have liked a second bucket and i talked to bobby and we went back and forth on it a little bit and i i said well bobby worst case scenarios they just stack it up there and you guys got to get out of the truck and and uh go pick it up i mean and so you can either give them another bucket or get out of the truck in february and then the guy retired so it was kind of a mute point at that point but but basically what you're saying tom is that it's been somewhat flawless yeah they've done a really good job and uh i would i would predict i don't know but i would predict that the numbers go up but i would say that when we did that last contract um recycling money was very very low aluminum cans are like 21 cents a pound and now they're close to 50 i mean it's so there's there's more money on the back end for him and he distributes some of that cost or that reduction in cost across the so i guess i'm just looking for uh at this point i'm in favor of it yeah i'll make a motion yeah i mean you don't need a motion i'm just gonna do what you guys do i'm sorry excuse me um i was just going to say that also not only um would i recommend that because of the cost and the drivers yeah i mean there's other companies that are not having pickup right now oh yeah there's i've seen that yeah yeah you don't know yeah okay the contract is going to be basically the same except it's going to be updated for five years with the price increases price increases that's probably the primary change we're going to see therefore you could do a motion now to go with the five year and then when the contract is finalized it would just be on the consent agenda okay and that's fine if you want to go ahead to the next fight i make a motion for a five-year research renewal renewal i'll second it all in favor aye aye i like five year spans between um next is the consideration of resolution number 2022-07 the 2023 preliminary budget i'm assuming that everybody since we've had this for at least a week on our computers that everybody has spent a great deal of time studying it and is there any discussion concerning the budget uh as was presented by a treasurer and what you've looked at and digested i don't have anything done i don't have anything either no i don't have any acting mayor and council members i would just like to know for some of your residents that perhaps are going to tune in later that a budget work session was held prior to this meeting um the treasurer was here and presented the numbers and basically the the increases is just due to inflation with some of your your other contractors thank you and uh the budget uh resolution talks for 2023 in the amount of 185 666 dollars this is an amount that cannot be exceeded in december when we come to a final figure but it can be lowered and it is slightly higher than last year's uh but not significantly at least in my mind so with that information are you going to take a roll call or do you want us to just vote on it no we just need a motion second and a vote i'll make a motion to pass the resolution okay i'll second it be resolution number 2022 dash all those in favor aye aye moving on we have the consideration of resolution number 2022-008 did you mean to have that extra o in there oh we've gone to the double o status the 2023 preliminary levy uh and as i understand it it's in the amount of 179 666 dollars is there any discussion concerning this resolution well without any further discussion i would move that we uh passed the resolution establishing the preliminary levy certification for the city's general fund at sixty 179 dollars all all those and those are a second i'll second all those in favor aye aye aye kim does that pretty much take care of everything other than uh everybody's individual reports yes it does um kim do you have anything you would like to add to the city up to um i guess i will just let all of you know of course filing was taken care of filing is done filing is over there were two council seats open and the mayor and we have three people that have filed for those positions um we really the only reason i'm bringing this up is because we have to keep in mind in november we're going to have to do a certification of election results and that has to be done seven to ten days after the election and your meeting falls at the first of november so we've always had to reschedule i only do need three people to attend that um but that will be coming and the mayor and council reports uh mr tim schroeder do you have anything uh i have nothing mr tom wilson i'm recycling emptied my barrel so tim hatton um the relief association which i mentioned earlier have they contacted the city about coming in for the presentation no okay what do you actually mean by the relief association the fire department fire and prime relief association yeah i think they're getting asked that they're asking for an increase um yeah they do that yeah yeah i think and i think they've also updated some of the the bylaws or the bylaws and whatnot so that's all uh i believe we've already approved that that was that the last yeah that wasn't the last one yeah yeah yeah that's right yeah but yeah i if they're upgrading the monthly amount they usually bring it to the city and that might happen like at the from the reef association kevin johnson usually comes in and the big guy i was going to ask that's the guy who likes to talk he usually comes in well then we're going to say no oh we asked no haven't you done that in a like a work session before that wasn't at a regular no it they generally come in and give you a five-minute blurb and say and then you know and then we approve it is what it boils down to because each city has to improve that increase and so uh that's kind of what we did but yeah we would work on it at the fire department get it all sorted out and then kevin would come in and a lot of times i just did it anyway because i didn't i told kevin to stay home because i was the finance chair so it was pretty easy for me to carry that bucket of water okay uh i guess one of the things that we didn't really make a decision on is uh and i don't know whether it's too late at this point in the meeting or not but i did have that quote from john parody as to the 7 500 and it could be as much as 2 000 more if they have to do it during the winter and this is a as he as he talks about it is a survey of those quinlan and south end of lakeland shores road and it basically sets us up for allowing us to have these two sections of road go out for bid in 2023 or any year after it's actually done yeah it's set and then we can just roll it out right when we want you know um so i guess uh is it this basically like an evaluation of the surface no i don't think so are they looking for a legal survey so they can map out like let's just say square footage has a regular what's working right okay and he's putting specs together so it's just something if he'll have on file and if we decide to have it put it out for bed next year we can it's got extra money um you know we might as well start spending it uh so we're not trying to think holy trying to figure to figure out what to do with it in january of uh you know 2000 yeah i mean if we can get it done you know yet this year i mean yeah that i'm fine with that and i guess my only thing is to have tell mr probably that mean if they can't get it done before snow yeah yeah then you know why not just wait until the snows the snow's gone rather but don't worry that when they do it in the spring the price will have gone up anyway yeah but anyway i would just run that by him so do we have to do anything with that or not uh acting american council members i'm not clear what what you're asking for so is it just for the city engineer to go survey those areas yeah he won't be doing it cost costs okay but that 7500 is in your budget yeah okay and the just uh having him serve the consent to go do that work and does not approve the project no i mean there there it would be going out for me it just deals with those two streets oh putting that together yeah then we don't need a motion we just would need the consent of the council to get some discussion to direct the city engineer to do that work okay and i'm fine with that okay and uh tim hatton i you know i i noticed that there's a five city meeting on the 21st of uh september and i'm just curious when i saw what the possible agenda stuff was was like oh like a community room or something like that and you know i mean there was something else with the community room i can't remember and there were two other things that went along with it it didn't and i was just curious as to whether you whether first of all whether you were going to attend that meeting you know if you could and uh secondly whether they had any idea of what they were really going to discuss or whether there's anything we want from this city you know that we want them to discuss i will be at the meeting i don't know what they're you're saying okay so they had the flocked security system status i think that's what saint mary's point was kind of get that together and they kind of want to see if we would all go in on it um trail maintenance i guess crosswalk bike alerted intersections but the yeah i don't know anything about the they just sent out something in the last few days yeah or yes for today or yesterday yeah yeah today and then well then and then the curling center or community center i don't i that's the first i heard of it when i got the email okay okay and um i you know things have been running smoothly so you know i haven't had too much input from anybody and basically none you know except for me one person and so um let's hope they continue to do so and with that in mind if nobody's got anything else to add i think tim i just have one thing i just want to mention that we suffered a great loss last month with uh the city clerk from oh yeah kate and kate miss biscuit piscatello so she'll be dearly missed she was a saint she was a big driving force on the recycling casing yeah and our cleanup day well yeah yeah yeah yeah and so and and i always i don't know if everybody else did on the council always got a note from her afterwards oh yeah now too so she's she was a busy lady and she will be missed yep so that's awesome that's somber note uh let's uh adjourn this meeting at uh 7 22. tim did you talk to joey you