In ProgressOakdale Planning Commission Meeting - August 1, 2024

Oakdale Planning Commission Meeting - August 1, 2024

Date: Friday, August 2, 2024 at 1:45 PMActual: Friday, August 2, 2024 at 1:45 PM

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[0:08] call order please Luke could we have a call of rooll please thank you chair here [0:15] Pearson Willen Bing here Campbell is absent stellari also absent moli here di [0:25] here hegen here Pledge of Allegiance please [0:33] PL algi to the flag the United States of [0:47] America thank you uh first question uh Luke we don't have any minutes from last [0:53] meeting I take it that's correct chair okay thank you uh approval of the agenda does anyone have any a changes to the [0:59] agenda that wish to propose no see none uh I ask for approval of the agenda so [1:05] move second all those in favor I any opposed thank you agenda approved first [1:12] is the open Forum we have a this is open forum for opportunity to be heard and on [1:18] things that are not normally an opportunity to debate uh for things that are not on the agenda as well uh we [1:25] limit it to no more than 20 minutes total and so each speaker can have 3 minutes so if there's anyone who wishes [1:31] to speak to items that are not on the agenda please step forward and make comment and again that's not on the [1:37] agenda not the two topics [1:44] below uh Brad mid uh 7601 31st Street north um this is more of a general [1:50] question uh on these agenda items are we then can come up and make our comments [1:56] or is this the period to make our comments it's a public hearing and it's you you get opportunity after the [2:03] reports are given and we hear from the constituents the main people on the uh [2:10] okay so but after that is it a public hearing yes okay so afterwards would be the time we can come up and make our [2:16] comments all right thank you yep anyone else who wishes to make open Forum [2:23] comments I'll speak hi my name is Douglas Nelson I live on Fourth Street [2:28] Lane North that's the cuis saac that's right north of where this MWF can you [2:35] hear me okay mhm but my question is is this are you talking on something that's [2:41] on the public hearings that are coming up uh well it's actually one of the two on your Planning Commission agenda today [2:48] so you want me to for the public hearing part of okay all right somebody said this I think he was an actor I'll be [2:57] back anyone else have something that that's not on the public hearings that are coming up seeing that I close the public forum [3:05] open forum and bring it to Old business which you have none so first order of new business is a public hearing on the [3:12] MWF Properties LLC 390 helmo Avenue North a planned unit development [3:18] Amendment discussion Luke or is it Max Max you're up thank you Planning [3:24] Commission and good evening before us tonight is a request for a planned unit development Amendment [3:30] at 390 helmo Avenue North located at the Northern end of the helmo station PUD [3:36] area near the border of the oakrun shores neighborhood this site is zoned for the helmo station PUD where this 2.7 [3:44] acre parcel is designated for high density multifam with specifi…

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MWF Properties LLC PUD Amendment at 390 Helmo Avenue North

Oakdale Marketplace and Oakdale Station PUD Amendments

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2-3 Failed to Recommend Approval
3-1 Approved

Before us tonight is a request for a planned unit development Amendment at 390 helmo Avenue North located at the Northern end of the helmo station PUD area near the border of the oakrun shores neighborhood.

Max [3:24]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

In exchange for the flexibility and maximum Building height the developer has proposed having a much larger 40ft setback on the Northern end of the site in order to reduce the visual footprint of the site.

Max [4:36]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

you took all the wildlife out of there you know no more wild turkeys running through our property no deer you took them with 150 trees for your little bus that you you're putting a lot of eggs in one basket that this bus line is going to bring all this Economic Development to the city.

Jim Trudeau [9:59]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

I live in a FEMA flood plane I don't have a wand here or the map of the where we live but the first when you enter our four Street Lane North cuac the first three buildings are in a FEMA flood plane the marsh behind us is also part of that flood plane that drains underneath the new four Street Lane North into that pond which Jim just mentioned that's also in a female plan female flood plane.

Douglas Nelson [14:48]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

all of that is compensable damages from my perspective as a condemnation commissioner who worked for Washington County for 30 years.

Bob Beetle [18:20]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

I just think that we need to consider how much of an impact that 826 units is going to have and the developer today adding another story he's adding 25% to that building.

Bill Hummer [24:13]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

The first Speaker spoke about um noise level as much as I understand the noise level that's something we don't control it's something that um with construction is going to happen but there are the limits of between seven and whatever time we hope that they'd adhere to it but we do not control that.

Commissioner [27:20]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

ultimately The Proposal is within the permit Ed density that's already allowed within the helmo station PUD uh this request is solely for the change in Building height the density already Falls within the permitted density in the helmo station PUD.

Commissioner [31:22]Public Hearing: MWF Properties LLC, 390 Helmo Avenue North, Planned Unit Development Amendment

the overarching goal of the study is to determine appropriate land uses for both of PE pey areas there and the proposed amendments that we're bringing forward tonight are based on the study's findings the Consultants recommendations and guidance from the city council and overall we are proposing allowing additional land use options for this area.

Luke [37:03]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

so class one restaurants per R zoning code definitions they include number one traditional restaurants and number two what we call cafeteria.

Luke [49:55]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

I went on to Cornell Law school's website defining spot zoning spot zoning refers to when a piece of property or groups of property have special zoning laws applied to them that differ from the zoning laws surrounding them.

Dan Terwilliger [1:03:03]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

but as the applicant on the one corner that is being further handcuffed now and is being prohibited by what is being proposed on that corner is Road blocking a good development that is ready to go right now.

Dan Regan [1:10:03]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

I want restaurants I want commercial buildings in that space I don't want housing I the rest of my neighbors are the same way we want commercial buildings.

Brad medv [1:14:19]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

I don't want to go to Woodberry anymore to go take my wife on a date to a restaurant I would like to go a few blocks over do a nice restaurant or Brewery or some type of business even Healthcare.

Jim Trudeau [1:16:41]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

one party cannot unilaterally uh amend the Pud and the Pud agreement it's got to be done by mutual agreement of the parties and the planned unit development agreement is very clear at section 16.

Tim Keane [1:24:17]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

I am concerned about moving ahead with this because of the background I don't want to use legal issues um but question out there um unanswered I guess if we don't know that yet so for us to approve something without knowing what could happen doesn't seem make sense someone used the word reboot kind of like that idea myself reboot till we come back to better answers.

Commissioner [1:30:15]Public Hearing: Oakdale Marketplace & Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendments

designating land use options throughout the area and in uh including allowing residential uses on certain Lots.

Luke [40:01]Public Hearing: Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendment

the primary use will be multifam or industrial so I appreciate uh the Pud opening up the uses and I just uh suggest that it be as flexible as possible and let the future developer come in and tell us what really is going to work there instead of trying to force feed um the uses.

Alan Dale [1:18:53]Public Hearing: Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendment

so just by by narrowing down the Zoning for a restaurant is not necessarily going to make it happen there so um we appreciate you broadening the the Pud zoning as is being proposed by the city staff and if you were going to you know do something with the restaurant we'd ask that you maybe separate the the two considerations making multif family and allowed use on the 16 Acres we've seen a lot more interest in that uh world than we have anything else.

John Rous [1:20:36]Public Hearing: Oakdale Station Planned Unit Development Amendment