[0:06] good evening welcome to the regular meeting of the Oakdale Planning Commission uh call to order call of roll [0:15] call pearson here wilenbring here campbell present mccauley here data [0:22] informed me that he will not be able to make it hagen here and Wilson also [0:28] informed me that he was unable to make it tonight thank you uh pledge of [0:34] allegiance please [0:41] pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands one nation under God [0:48] indivisible with liberty and justice for all [0:57] uh approval of the agenda anyone have any changes that they feel need to be made or shall we accept it as presented [1:04] move to accept and presented second all those in favor i like any [1:11] opposed thank you very much approving the minutes does anyone have any changes [1:16] or corrections to make to the minutes for May 1st 2025 [1:22] i look for a motion to approve as presented move to approve second all [1:27] those in favor i any opposed motion uh approve minutes are accepted [1:35] open forum this is a time for anyone in the audience to come forward if they have wish to make comment on something [1:40] that's not on the agenda again that's not on the agenda if anyone has anything [1:46] to make comment to seeing that there is no one in the audience for [1:52] that open the forum and close the forum uh old business none new business [1:59] a public hearing on the comprehensive plan amendment 515 5115 5127 Geneva [2:06] Avenue and 6048 6149 and 6211 upper 61st [2:11] 51st Street North and 6138 Highway 36 North luke thank you chair so the [2:18] location of this request it's in the area that's located northeast of the intersections of highways state highways [2:25] 120 and 36 so the area is shown on the screen in the turquoise outline so [2:31] specifically this area consists of approximately 8 and a half acres at the following addresses that uh the chair [2:37] just mentioned uh 51 uh 15 and 5127 Geneva Avenue 6048 [2:45] 6149 and 6211 upper 51st Street and 6138 Highway 36 Boulevard North so the [2:52] purpose of this request is to reguide the area in question from commercial to mixed use as a means to align the city's [2:59] comprehensive plan guidance with local planning efforts and to expand future development opportunities for this area [3:07] so folks from the public they might be wondering what is a comprehensive plan so state law set uh says that a comp [3:13] plan it's a document that consists of goals policies standards and maps to guide development within the community [3:20] so in other words it serves as the foundation for land use decisions including reszonings the comp plan [3:27] guidance specifies what types of land uses are allowed such as residential commercial industrial and so on so it's [3:34] a bit confusing but to be clear the comp plan guidance is separate and distinct from the uh the zoning districts that [3:41] the city has but the comp plan guidance should align with the city's adopted zoning districts [3:48] so this image shows the comp plan guidance for the area which is commercial so the area in question the [3:54] addresses that I just rattled off it's the uh again the turquoise outline there on the screen historically this [4:00] neighborhood has consisted of a mixture of uses so you may recall that there was [4:05] a year-long process in which the city and we had a consultant at the time um [4:10] we studied the area and the city ultimately adopted the Glen Brook small area plan so that was back in September [4:16] of 2023 and the intention of that plan was to develop a framework for future [4:21] development redevelopment efforts for this neighborhood just give it some direction um going forward so a key [4:28] recommendation of the the Glen Brook plan is to reguide the area again that's [4:33] specifically it's the area uh within the the outline the turquoise outline reguide it from commercial to [4:40] mixed use so although it is not included in the Glen Brook plan's recommendation [4:46] uh staff is suggesting the city staff is suggesting that we reguide 6211 Upper [4:53] 51st Street so that is JG House construction if you're familiar with that property um we feel that it's also [4:59] important to reguide that from commercial to mixed use just to enable or to to help ensure that the area is a [5:06] cohesive area and also to enable more flexibility for future development so on [5:12] this map we are looking at the current zoning of the area so if you recall from the previous slide the area is guided [5:19] for commercial whereas the yellow uh shaded properties there's two single [5:24] families on the west side that front highway 120 and then there's eastgate apartment they are shaded in orange so [5:31] those are residentially zoned properties obviously that those are not commercial so um the reidance from commercial to [5:38] mixed use in this area would help correct that um the comp plan would also open up [5:45] new development opportunities for vacant property and specifically what we're talking about is 6138 Highway 36 [5:53] Boulevard North where my cursor is there's about 2 and 1/2 acres or so it's been vacant for about 20 years now uh [6:00] there currently there is no active applications for this site but there is strong interest from a developer to [6:08] possibly construct 12 live work condo units on that [6:13] property so going back just to the aerial um I do want to address some common questions related to comp plans [6:21] uh so I I want to note that approval of a comp plan amendment does not reszone any property a property owner would have [6:28] to initiate that process uh the amendment does not change the tax classification of properties the tax [6:34] classification that's a fully separate designation that is determined by Washington County uh also the amendment [6:41] would not impose any special restrictions on the property it doesn't include any new [6:47] um any new standards that you would you wouldn't see anywhere else so the [6:52] remaining steps of this process I'll just go over those really quick so after the public hearing is held and a [6:58] recommendation is provided by the planning commission the city council will consider the amendment at their [7:04] meeting on July 8th if the city council approves the request it would formally [7:11] be the request would formally be submitted to the Metropolitan Council that's the regional government agency [7:17] that formally approves amendments to the comp plan and just a final note as [7:22] required by state law and the metropolitan council there is an affected jurisdictions review and that [7:29] has actually been completed already so city staff proactively contacted the following go government agencies for [7:35] review and comment on the comprehensive plan and they include the city of North St paul Washington County Ramsey County [7:41] the Minnesota DOT and the Valley Branch Watershed District so all of those [7:47] jurisdictions have responded we received the last response just yesterday and there was no opposition uh from any of [7:53] those jurisdictions i just want to remind the uh commission that this is a public hearing item and uh staff would be happy [8:00] to answer any questions thank you thank you anyone have any comments before I [8:06] open the public for forum okay this again this is uh comments on [8:13] this item of business the comprehensive plan amendment so if anyone has comments please come forward i open the forum now [8:20] is anyone wish to come forward to make comments to this comprehensive plan amendment seeing none I close the open [8:28] forum bring it back anyone have any further comments about this [8:34] issue then I look for a motion to recommend approval of the comprehensive [8:40] plan amendment to reguide the properties addressed 5115127 Geneva Avenue North 6048 6149 [8:48] and 6211 Upper 51st Street North and 6138 Highway 36 Boulevard North from [8:55] commercial to mixeduse so moved second all those in favor i any opposed [9:03] motion carries thank you very much next item of business is a public [9:08] hearing on zoning and subdivision code update and zoning map amendment is this [9:14] Max i take it i'll start it off chair so thank you planning commission and good evening um as you may recall uh tonight [9:22] we have we're looking at the zoning and subdivision code update project uh we [9:27] now have a full complete draft that we're presenting to you for recommendation of approval by the city [9:34] council um this has been an extensive pretty long process uh for the over 15 [9:40] months staff and our partnership with HKGI a consulting firm for planning uh [9:46] we've been working on this quite a bit and have really restructured the code made improvements uh public public input [9:54] efforts to make sure that we're making this align with what the public wants to see in the code and yeah we're very [10:01] excited for this so um I'm going to let Luke say a few things and then we can turn it over to HKGI to give a [10:08] presentation that goes over the larger components of the uh proposed code [10:13] update next so really just want to say thank you to [10:19] HKGI our consulting partner on this project it's this is a a massive endeavor uh it's been long time coming [10:26] for updating this code and so yes they they've been outstanding to work with and we also want to recognize uh the [10:33] contributions the discussions the input that we received from the planning commission the other advisory bodies and [10:39] of course the city council we've had many workshops i I can't remember how many workshops but it's it's been quite [10:46] a few so we just want to recognize all those folks and as well as the public uh we had some some really good public [10:52] engagement as Max was saying um some good feedback through our surveys and some through our um stakeholder [11:00] interviews that we had as well but yeah with that I'll I'll let Jeff and Beth take it take it over from there so great [11:07] thanks Luke and Max uh Jeff Miller with HKGI and I'm going to give just an overview of the changes that are being [11:14] proposed with the uh amended zoning ordinance and uh as you had in your [11:21] packet a ch you had a chance to see a two or three page overview and then a more detailed summary of all the changes [11:28] that are in the code which as you know is a thicker thing to get through so hopefully those summaries were helpful [11:35] for you for tonight uh so we're going to do the overview and then we'll we'll just very [11:42] briefly uh verbalize the major changes to the code and then talk about the next steps [11:49] so the objectives of the code update uh some of this won't be new to you because we've were in front of you previously [11:55] but the objectives just as a reminder were to update and moder modernize the code improve its user friendliness align [12:02] with the 2040 comp plan as well as other plans uh including Glen the Glen Brookke [12:09] plan and then the ped bike plan uh ensure consistency with Minnesota state [12:14] statutes federal laws and judicial rulings that have occurred since the last time it was updated and then to [12:20] facilitate achievement of the city's development and redevelopment goals which are in the comp plan uh if you [12:26] look in there there's it it states explicitly to update the code to facilitate development and redevelopment [12:33] and there's numerous redevelopment parcels identified and then development areas including the the uh station areas [12:40] that are um recently come online so the process uh was to look at four chapters [12:49] mostly zoning but also subdivisions and then very small the smaller ones of chapter 16 planning and [12:56] development and then the trees chapter the project had four phases as you can [13:02] see there uh as Lucar said about 15month process and uh the intent is to have [13:09] this adopted in July by the city council the need and scope for the [13:14] update uh again as a reminder is that the code the staff uh deemed that that [13:21] it was an outdated at this point the last full code update was in 2008 [13:27] uh it wasn't a whole we didn't touch everything uh substantially so it was specific chapters and articles that were [13:33] targeted and it was a lot of them but not every single one uh and then as you [13:39] know we partnered with staff to do these updates so we led on a lot of them but staff led on some of the some of the [13:47] chapters as well and then the um the entire city code not just zoning and [13:52] subdivision has gone to the MUN code digital format as well so it should be [13:57] easier for everybody to use the code going forward so summary of major changes [14:05] um you know a lot of this was to make the requirements easier to find so that [14:10] includes streamlining and reorganizing from 26 articles down to 11 uh so you [14:16] can see the structure of the the new code and you'll see there's kind of intro general stuff like definitions and [14:24] administrative stuff and then the zoning districts which is 254 through 258 on [14:31] the screen the diff the various types of districts that are in the zoning code and then [14:37] standards that are specific to uses um is near the end of the zoning code [14:45] develop velment standards is its own thing which is parking landscaping fences that sort of thing and then [14:55] signage on the theme of streamlining uh the districts have been consolidated from 14 to 10 so you can see in that [15:03] table that R2 and R3 have been consolidated into one district for residential so there's five instead of [15:09] six there's a new district uh mixed use which would line up probably with the [15:15] comp plan amendment that's just going through at some point um if that gets reszoned and then you can see the [15:21] commercial uh industrial gateway business all those were consolidated from six to four four [15:29] districts in the new code and then tower and wetland those districts are they [15:34] don't really need to be districts they can be handled differently in the code so they they've gone [15:41] away uh we updated all the district purpose statements so it's clear what [15:46] each district is meant to do and where it should be applied we updated all the [15:52] allowed uses and the dimensional standards uh those are all in tables in the code if you looked at the the uh [15:59] proposed code in detail you'll see those tables which is a um you know a really [16:04] good format to streamline the whole code so that it's easier to find things and not have everything listed in every [16:10] single district uh so some of the key things with the districts is the range [16:15] of housing types allowed was expanded in R2 R3 and R4 so not R1 no change there [16:23] but R2 3 and four minimum lot sizes were reduced in R3 and R4 so that's medium [16:30] density and high density residential maximum building height uh can go up to 60 ft in the high density [16:37] district or uh R4 through a cup process and then a [16:43] maximum impervious surface coverage standard has been added to the code that that is not in today's code we updated [16:51] definitions a key thing there was to in the residential districts housing types [16:57] are identified more clearly now and so we needed to add definitions of each of [17:02] those to that section of the code the uh as I mentioned the tables principal uses [17:09] is a separate table from accessory uses and then existing standards and [17:16] districts were all consolidated into one article so today each district is its own thing in the code so whatever that [17:23] is 14 articles for the districts whereas now they're all in one [17:28] article so a big streamlining effort um and you can see in the table which just [17:35] as an example which uh residential uses are allowed in each [17:41] district as far as changes to the residential districts which is what a [17:46] lot of people are most concerned about you can see in R1 there's no change it only allows uh one unitit [17:54] dwellings r two and three have been uh consolidated so anyone any property [18:01] zoned R2 today the change is that two unit dwellings town houses and courtyard cottages [18:08] uh will be allowed going forward properties that are zoned R3 uh the change is town houses and [18:15] courtyard cottages are allowed in that district going forward uh R if if the propertyy's own [18:22] R4 today courtyard cottages is the only thing that's being added and then R5 is [18:29] the high density residential district and the the change there is to remove one and two unit dwellings can I ask a [18:36] question could you tell could you just define what is a courtyard cottages what what exactly does that mean yeah so [18:43] courtyard cottages are smaller detached homes and they're they're clustered [18:49] together on they could be one lot or they could be separate lots kind of like [18:54] town homes are they like for seniors usually for they are Yeah seniors is a [19:00] common market for that but it can be for any any age group uh they are an option [19:07] for getting higher density lowmaintenance um [19:13] uh options for housing like town homes except they're they're [19:22] detached let's see as far as the dimensional standards tables uh so those [19:29] all for all the districts all the standards are on one or two tables and that's for lots lot size [19:37] uh site standards like uh setbacks uh and then building heights and [19:45] building width for some uh some of the residential districts uh distance between buildings as an example the [19:52] courtyard cottages there's a minimum distance that has to be between those those detached units and then uh [19:59] impervious surface coverage so that information is all in these tables and it's really easy to find it for any [20:07] district so I've got one question for you in the entire tome is there a definition of imperous surfaces [20:16] that's a good question and yeah Beth can look that up the reason I ask is because [20:21] something you just said triggered it i have seen people's homes where they [20:27] didn't want to mow so they've got everything covered in gravel and I was talking with Luke [20:33] earlier and that's considered an impermeable surface by Oakdale which means that'd be out of compliance or [20:40] that kind of use would be out of compliance yeah yeah so there is a definition in [20:46] there Uh let's see constructed hard surface or natural surface [20:54] surface that prevents or retards the entry of water into the soil and causes water to run off the surface in greater [20:59] air examples include but are not limited to rooftops sidewalks patios driveways [21:05] parking lots storage areas concrete asphalt or gravel so yeah the gravel is [21:12] there i didn't say that when I read it so okay yeah yep so that is in the in the code [21:21] as you can see i'm kind of saying that I think that may be a little too restrictive that's my opinion yeah [21:29] so um Yeah were you talking about [21:35] residential properties specifically so just as an example the [21:40] R1 property is 24% is the maximum r2 is 45 and I [21:48] actually can't see the rest of that table on this screen but but the numbers are for [21:53] residential you know they're not super high so and like I said I I know of an [22:00] existing home but I think it was in Cottage Grove that it was a friend of mine that had as it was all gravel yeah [22:07] one more question sorry do you have page numbers where we can see this as at the [22:12] same time because it's kind of hard to read yeah sure uh sorry uh yes so in the [22:20] draft code uh page 55 is where the impervious surface coverage numbers are [22:25] for the residential districts commissioners um one point of [22:31] clarification with the gravel surfaces is under under the current code we do consider gravel to be impervious as well [22:45] okay as far as the development standards I'll cover this first one and then Beth will take it from there so for building [22:53] materials we expanded we this is a big topic um with with the planning [22:58] commission and then especially the council so to make that more flexible [23:03] the building material requirements um were increased for class one [23:09] materials to allow more materials um and then prohibited [23:15] materials were identified skipped over uh bullet point one bullet point one is multi-unit [23:21] residential buildings uh will have building material requirements applied to them now which [23:28] is not true in the current code so that's an expansion of that uh [23:34] standard and then the last one on the screen is uh to be uh provide more [23:40] flexibility for the requirements is to allow averaging of the percentages in [23:45] the tables in the code across all building facades so some can be really [23:50] high around on street frontages for example and then they could be lower on the non- street [24:01] frontages uh so the next development standard to chat about is parking um one [24:06] of the biggest changes here is that we separated out the requirements so that there is a section that talks about the [24:13] requirements for single unit and two-unit dwellings uh and then there's another section that talks about the requirements for multi-unit parking uh [24:20] multi-unit residential and non-residential buildings um all of the parking spaces and those requirements of [24:27] how many spaces uh per use are all now listed in a table um and with that table [24:33] one of the biggest focuses that we um we're trying to do is look at how we can reduce that parking where appropriate um [24:39] and if you're looking for the table for the page number uh let me see if I can find it quickly for you uh page 113 [24:48] thank you yep um so the biggest focus here is that we were trying to um reduce [24:55] parking requirements and simplify them for how you calculate them um and so we [25:00] we worked on it in a number of different strategies so for multi-unit residential we went from a tiered system that was [25:06] based on the number of bedrooms um in a certain unit to just a flat requirement of 1.5 spaces per unit uh for commercial [25:15] for retail um that requirement was changed so it used to be one per 200 [25:20] square feet um and now it's one parking space per 400 square f feet so um that [25:26] in effect reduces the number of parking stalls required um and the one per 400 is is fairly industry standard around [25:32] the region um industrial we we took a little bit of a different strategy and we determined uh that the number of [25:39] parking spaces is based on the square footage of the floor space um rather than the number of employees on the peak [25:46] work shift it's a little bit hard to know what that number is um to calculate so um there are opportunities to reduce [25:54] parking requirements further um you could just apply for a cup to do that um [26:00] we also expanded the ability for joint parking uh to be used within the city so [26:06] I believe joint parking uh today is only allowed with an institutional use and [26:11] what that means is one parking area shared between multiple uses um right now that I believe requires an [26:18] institutional use to be involved um and we took that institutional use part away so now it's just any compatible uses um [26:26] could do joint parking next up is landscaping um so [26:33] this is a topic that was scattered kind of throughout the code uh at least in two separate sections if not more um and [26:40] so we brought all those standards together uh reviewed them tried to consolidate them where appropriate um so [26:46] that everything is now in one section so you're not going throughout the code to try to find that um again we have the [26:53] single unit and two dwellings those requirements are listed in one section uh and then the multi-unit residential [26:59] and non-residential uh buildings are listed in another um one of the bigger changes here is for those multi-unit [27:06] residential and non-residential buildings um the minimum number of trees required was changed um so it used to be [27:13] one tree was required per 800 square ft of landscaped green area um and the [27:20] proposed new change to that is that it would be one tree per 1,000 square feet of the site that's not occupied by [27:27] buildings and one overstory tree along the boulevard for every 50 linear feet [27:32] of frontage uh the other change here uh of note is that the minimum size of plants [27:39] at installation was reduced um we've found that the smaller plants tend to [27:44] survive better uh and so that number has been reduced so that it's one inch uh [27:50] caliper for trees uh and then five gallon containers for shrubs uh next up is tree preservation [27:58] uh and this actually is where we started to kind of mix and match different chapters of the code um so today there's [28:05] chapter 22 which is trees uh it's outside of the zoning code and we ended [28:11] up pulling quite a bit of the language from chapter 22 into the zoning code um [28:16] so chapter 22 is significantly shorter now than it used to be um and then the language about specific tree [28:22] preservation uh is living in the zoning code um the biggest changes here were [28:28] talking about uh there needed to be clarity on what the tree replacement requirement is uh and so that's clearly [28:36] stated now that anytime more than 25% of a site uh or of the significant trees on [28:42] a site are removed that replacement of those trees is required um and then if [28:47] you remember in chapter 22 there is a a really fun table that has options A B and C um which is pretty confusing for [28:54] everyone uh and so that's been uh simplified and the table's been removed to just say that all significant trees [29:00] uh are required to be replaced at a ratio of one half caliber per inch um per one caliber per inch that's been [29:06] removed what is a caliber per inch is it different than an inch uh so it's a measure of the diameter um at the at [29:14] like four feet off the ground of the tree okay thank you yeah um and the [29:19] other change here uh just to make sure that you are getting a diversity of trees uh is that any replacement trees [29:25] that grouping needs to be at least 25% hardwood deciduous uh and then at least 25% can coniferous so that you're not [29:32] getting you know all oaks as much as we'd all love that uh and then signage uh so the big [29:40] changes here is uh there's a federal uh court ruling that says you cannot regulate signs based on their content [29:47] and so we went through this section of the code um to take out those contentbased regulations so now the [29:53] regulations are are really focused on you know size height setbacks that kind [29:58] of thing number of signs but you really can't regulate the sign and say you know if it's a for sale sign you can do this [30:05] because you can't regulate based on content so um there's been some language changes with that uh we did some minor [30:12] updates to the billboard requirements um and those updates really just focused on bringing the code into alignment with [30:19] what the city currently practices today uh as well as the legal advice that the city has received uh reflecting [30:26] billboards uh there are some changes to temporary signage that relate uh to uh [30:32] making sure that signs do not need a separate permit if they're already associated with a special event permit [30:38] um and then allowing temporary signs to be displayed for up to 60 calendar days per year uh and then we did update a few [30:44] sign types so bulletin signs were removed uh I'm also not sure what those are and then blade signs uh were added [30:52] so that's the picture that you see that's a blade sign um development procedures uh which [30:59] I believe we're calling administration and procedures in the code uh so this is you know how do you how does the city go [31:06] about reviewing applications for land use uh requests so uh all of those [31:12] procedures so site plan variance uh conditional use permit those have all been consolidated into a single article [31:19] um and at the start of that article there is a section called common procedures uh and so that section really [31:25] covers the things that are applicable to any application so who can apply how do [31:31] you apply um what do you what happens if you want to withdraw an application things that apply to you know all of the [31:37] different types of applications that are associated with the zoning code they're all in there so that you don't have to repeat yourself uh several times uh we [31:44] also clarified how amendments for site plans and planned unit developments are [31:50] classified um so now it's explicitly stated what a minor amendment is versus a major amendment um so that that's [31:57] clear because they have different review processes uh we also confirmed that any [32:04] use that's identified in the code as an allowable use is something that could be an interim use if someone applies for [32:10] one uh and then we did remove the application submitt requirements from the code um so right now those submitt [32:17] requirements are on your online portal as it is so they don't need to be in two places uh the other uh kind of benefit [32:24] of that is that as best practices change as cities you [32:30] know no longer need paper copies for example um you don't have to go through a zoning code amendment to change that [32:36] um you can just change it as applicable um then I'll talk a little [32:42] bit about subdivision here um so that was that was it for zoning um but we did make a few changes to subdivision as [32:48] well um again we'll start with procedures and enforcement um so there's that common procedures section uh in the [32:55] subdivision chapter as well uh we did update some of the timeline requirements so we removed the timelines that are no [33:02] longer required by state um and then we did update some to make sure that they're in line with state statutes um [33:09] so just trying to make things a little bit more streamlined there uh again we took out the application requirements um [33:16] we clarified the minor subdivision process a little bit more um to show [33:21] that that would be administratively reviewed um and that surveys are required as a part of that and then the [33:28] last change was that um in the code now it specifically states that the planning commission is the body that's [33:33] responsible for holding public hearings for preliminary plat applications um so design standards for [33:41] subdivisions uh similar to the application requirements we did remove the engineering design specifications um [33:48] so a lot of these relate to street standards so things like um street widths pavement thicknesses [33:55] um you know the radius for different turns uh all of those have been moved outside of the code again it's a lot [34:02] easier to update with with best practices when those are living outside the code um we did add a few standards for blocks [34:09] and sidewalk design um clarified with an explicit statement that there are no [34:15] building permits uh allowed for outlots and then specified that water and sewer [34:20] connections are required for uh every new buildable lot in the city uh a few changes to the improvement [34:28] section of subdivisions as well um the first was that uh the requirements for [34:33] financial guarantees um we ended up adjusting that and the main reason there is that there is language in the zoning [34:40] code about site plans and financial guarantees and then there's language in the subdivision chapter uh about [34:46] platting and financial guarantees and we wanted those two to mirror each other and so we were just trying to make those [34:52] uh the same yeah so what does it mean that the street standards have been moved outside of the code what does that [34:58] mean yep um so most cities and I'll look to Luke and Max to to clarify but most [35:04] cities have kind of an engineering handbook um and it can be called different things and that's where those [35:09] standards typically live rather than in your code itself so I'm I'm not sure where exactly your standards are yeah um [35:16] I can speak to that generally we'll keep the standards physical copy at city hall as well as online or available by email [35:24] um so that way we can look at it annually as well and if changes do need [35:29] to be made uh we don't have to go through this process of having a public hearing or in amending the entire [35:36] ordinance okay thank you uh and then the last change there was uh [35:41] we did update uh the park dedication language just a little bit um to specify when park dedication is required um and [35:49] then really the main main thing was making sure those park dedication regulations are compliant with state [35:54] statutes because there's kind of a laundry list of things that need to be in there just based on the statute [36:02] um questions on that pause and that's that's kind of the overall summary we [36:07] we'll go on to next steps after after this but are there any questions thoughts [36:15] there's not i have questions but I can hold them too till you're finished oh okay also I don't Luke or Max do you [36:21] want to talk about the zoning map oh yeah that's a good call yes um we do want to take a look at the zoning map as [36:28] well um if we can get the staff computer up on the screen um so as a part of the [36:36] zoning code update in some of the slides earlier you saw that quite a bit of zoning districts were um put together [36:43] and consolidated um so as a result we've updated our map to show that [36:53] uh so with this map we have not individually reszoned any [37:00] properties instead uh if if we said that R2 was becoming R3 for example we've [37:07] adjusted uh those existing districts and put it in the map so we did not go [37:12] through on a project specific basis on any parcels um this is available in your [37:18] packet as well so it kind of takes those components that are described in the code and applies it on a spatial basis [37:25] so you can see where it is in the city where these standards apply we just want to make sure that you see that as well [37:31] as it is an important part of the code update and feel free to ask questions on this [37:41] so with that we've presented both the code and the map if there are questions [37:47] or discussion uh that's all we have for tonight other than next steps i have one other [37:53] question i don't know if I remember it correctly but there was the word outlot right what does that mean [38:02] uh so typically an outlot is uh it can be a number of different things but [38:08] basically it is a a a parcel of land that is it's not buildable for a diff a [38:13] number of different reasons so it could be that you have your storm water on it and it's there are buildable lots and [38:21] then you've got an area where it's storm water for example um outlots also can be [38:27] if someone is platting a project in phases and they might plat phase one and [38:32] leave the rest as an outlot so that in the future that would be developed if that makes sense so so they would have [38:38] to come back and plat that out before they could do any development on it [38:44] easier to show with an example but yeah you'll also hear it in kind of commercial development if you [38:49] think about like Bergen Plaza so you've got your main say the um what's the [38:56] entertainment place i can't think of it the burrow it's the burrow you got the main burrow and then Taco Bell is an [39:01] outlaw of that so they'll carve off a smaller piece of land they'll sell it to another business use to come in and [39:08] develop that so that's very common in kind of commercial retail development [39:15] i got a list of questions for you great um subdivision page 24 cash [39:22] inlue i know that I think everything I've seen in the past we typically [39:28] require cash payments we haven't accepted kind of park land for park dedication and it's always been my [39:36] interpretation of the way the code reads is that we [39:42] can't like it's the the way it reads is so it's section 21105204 [39:49] uh number or letter A the city may choose to accept cash in lie of land from the applicant for part or all of [39:56] the required land dedication so the way I read that is it's up to the developer to decide do [40:02] they want to give land or do they want to give cash and I think the city in the past has come in and said no you just [40:08] have to give cash so if that's going to be the case which I don't have a problem with I think we just may need to clarify [40:15] that it's at the city's discretion whether we're accepting land or requiring a cash [40:21] payment for the park fund or something [40:30] um as far as the uses go in the kind of the mixed use business uses I know in a [40:38] a number of cities that I've worked in I've seen a waterfall so you know B2 [40:46] district all the uses in B1 plus these B3 all the uses in B2 plus these have we [40:53] considered anything like that or was that you know discussed at all uh so typically that is actually something [40:59] that we try to move away from okay um because it it tends to make things a [41:05] little bit more confusing harder for people as they're using the code when you see you go to a specific section it [41:12] says everything in the last district and then you have to flip to that district and then that district says everything [41:17] in the district before and then you're flipping again um and so we're trying with these tables to make it a little [41:22] bit more clear just explicitly saying you know here's all the districts and here's what's allowed and I I hear you [41:29] and I think you're absolutely right the table makes it clear from a a usability standpoint but from an implementation [41:35] standpoint was there discussion about still applying that waterfall theory so [41:41] you could still do it in a table format it's just if you allow this use in B2 [41:46] then you're also going to allow it in B3 B4 etc commissioner I can speak to that a [41:52] little bit um there is a component to that that we considered uh particularly [41:58] with so our two main commercial districts as the code exists right now are C1 neighborhood commercial and C2 [42:07] um community commercial um when we consolidated those uh we went with the [42:14] uses that were allowed in C2 as they were more encompassing so with the remaining [42:20] business districts so we have the business campus um which is a couple of parcels off of 94 and 694 [42:29] uh we feel that that's a generally different use as it's seeking out more of a corporate headquarters or something [42:35] similar in nature to that b3 would be light industrial and office uh which [42:41] generally has different uses uh associated with it and B4 is more heavy [42:46] industrial so we did consolidate the commercial users and uh we haven't gotten more restrictive in terms of [42:52] which uses are allowed with that so we've tried to diff make sure that each district that's now in the new code is [42:58] different sure that makes sense and I think it's you know again it's a if we weren't as built out as we were we had a [43:05] lot more opportunity that it might be a different discussion but the fact that you've there's enough or as few parcels [43:13] as we have that you're able to kind of look at it and really think through it it's that's appreciated [43:19] um page [43:27] 123 landscape and planting guarantees again um [43:33] I've so in my business locally I've done work [43:40] in I think four cities within the metro and I think in all of them we were [43:46] required to provide a a cash landscape escrow that was held for one to two years to ensure [43:54] plantings you know survived and were maintained and things like that [44:00] um did we consider going that route versus you know in this case you've [44:06] already issued the building permit you've you've gone a year and now you're trying if the developer doesn't put this [44:13] planting in you're trying to chase after them to say "Hey give us some money." In the case in the projects that I've [44:18] worked on I had to give that money before I even got my building permit so the city doesn't have to chase me down [44:24] again if I don't perform so I just don't know if that's something we would consider [44:30] yep commissioner I can speak to that so that's actually built into the site plan [44:35] requirements and also the platting requirements we uh take a as part of the [44:40] development agreement process with city working with the developer we take a financial guarantee it's typically a [44:46] letter of credit for those site improvements and then if we're out there and we're we're making sure that those [44:52] uh the trees are installed correctly and they survive for a certain period of time yep so we do collect upfront okay [45:02] thank you um this one is just full disclosure it's selfish because it's the [45:08] industry that I work in um it's in the use table for parking page [45:13] 114 um for car washes you have a maximum stacking for automatic drive-throughs i [45:20] told you it was selfish it's my industry um you know we don't we don't put a cap [45:26] on any other parking use in here so I'm just curious why we would cap that [45:33] particular uses stacking requirements [45:40] i'm not remembering offhand if that's a change or not [45:49] um just something to look at either i don't need an answer just throwing it out there uh and then the last thing [45:55] that I had and I know that we approved this a while back so I think it's in a [46:01] separate section within the code but uh anything related to cannabis facilities because I didn't see it in any uses i [46:07] didn't see any parking or anything like that we can speak to that um the cannabis uh [46:15] uses in here are staying the same as they are in the current code um just for [46:20] the renamed districts uh generally most of the regulations for cannabis are [46:26] actually kept in the licensing chapter of the city code uh which we're not touching here um and that includes like [46:32] the setbacks from certain uses and things like that perfect [46:38] that was my list of questions thank you anyone else have [46:49] questions any uh any questions for Luke or Max to [46:55] finalize it if [47:03] not where's the motion i look for a motion did you do the public hearing oh [47:08] no i did not open the public hearing to disc for this matter uh anyone have [47:14] comment to make on this uh item and we do have someone this this [47:21] member of the public looks familiar to us susan Willen 2183 Holly Avenue North [47:27] um just a quick question um on the zoning what happens or is there an [47:33] instance where you're changing the zoning and I'm trying to give you an [47:38] example here currently it's single family and now it's reszone to multif [47:43] family i just throwing it out there what happens to the single family home when they try to sell it can another single [47:51] family home or will it always stay a single family home and they could sell it right then go ahead please go ahead you [47:58] know what I'm trying to say we talked about it a year ago probably but I don't remember well that's totally all right [48:04] uh we with this um generally a lot of the single family districts actually [48:12] allow already allow some sort of multif family component generally it's listed as a permitted use uh so that single [48:19] family use will always be allowed unless the code changes in some way in the future uh and they would always be able [48:26] to sell it and it would be a um use that we would call conforming so if they [48:31] wanted to expand they could um with the changes to the multif family district [48:37] the highdensity one in the code update uh we actually made sure that there were [48:42] no single family homes left in that district uh because we did remove it as a permitted use uh so we changed those [48:49] to a medium density single family district uh to to ensure that it can [48:55] remain a a use that the homeowner can use in perpetuity and is officially [49:00] conforming okay thanks i ask a followup to that so in the example for the [49:09] um what was it the comp plan amendment that we did earlier so those two single family homes if we or someone [49:17] proactively reszones those to a commercial or a mixeduse then they are legally [49:24] non-conforming and they can't expand correct from the zoning [49:30] perspective that would be correct um from the comp plan amendment um it would not have an impact so if you remember a [49:37] couple years ago yeah we had that was that's what that all was [49:49] final calls any questions for anyone seeing none uh I will look for a [49:57] motion to recommend approval of ordinance amendments to chapter 16 planning and development chapter 21 [50:03] subdivisions chapter 22 trees and chapter 25 zoning so move close [50:12] close the public for Thank you so I look for that same motion so move I'll second [50:18] all those in favor i any opposed motion passes staff leaison update well thank [50:27] you chair so the July planning commission meeting date will be changed um so it's not going to be July 3rd [50:34] right before the holiday it will be July 10th and uh I would expect to have a meeting then i I think we're going to be [50:40] busy for the next few months so uh we'll just plan on the next few months having planning commission meetings i do want [50:47] to recognize Commissioner Janet Hagen this is her last meeting uh we greatly appreciate your service on the [50:53] commission you're going to be missed i hope it was a good experience a positive experience um we have commissioner [51:00] updates so uh like to hear your thoughts on your experience uh in just a moment [51:05] um and although that is uh sad news there is some good news that we have and that there's an interested candidate for [51:12] the planning commission already and uh that candidate is being reviewed by and [51:18] considered by the the city council at this time uh but that's all I have thank you [51:23] any questions for the for Luke [51:28] moving on to commissioner update any updates from anyone on the commission [51:35] and seeing none we'll move on to council leaison [51:44] so good evening as many of you probably already know I resigned from city [51:49] council um as of midnight tomorrow night so Council Member Severson is [51:55] taking my place and I will let him take it over it's nice working with all of you thank you for your time Susan we [52:02] appreciate that you stuck it out for us for one more meeting you liked us that much that you you went tomorrow night [52:10] you stole my Good evening you stole my first item but but uh I'll end with with my thank yous but [52:17] um uh just a couple of things for you this evening uh Gary Severson I'm a newbie on the Oakdale City Council it's [52:23] a pleasure to be here um a couple of things citywide Acord Award awarded nominations are are ongoing right now [52:31] you're those are available on the website so if you know a business or a home that's well landscaped and want to nominate those we'd appreciate that [52:38] oakdale Summerfest you know is coming up soon again hopefully you can enjoy that and I'm sure they would accept [52:43] volunteers if any of you are interested in doing that and the last thing I had in citywide is Water Tower 3 which is [52:50] back here is undergoing renovation and painting and not sure how long that'll [52:55] take but um it'll have a new logo on it so something to look forward to [53:00] uh in our last council meeting on May 27th just a couple of things that you folks might be interested and you probably already know about the will [53:06] will 12th edition we had a public hearing final plat and I can't read my own handwriting final plat and site plan [53:12] were approved and secondly the enclave of Helmo station we approved final plat and [53:17] authorized development uh development agreement with the developer there um [53:22] second to add well a couple of things congratulations to Chris and Yaya for reappointment to the plan commission [53:30] um and thank you to Commissioner Hagen for your service on the planning commission and lastly uh to Susie we [53:37] were only colleagues for a short period of time but I appreciate the uh patience and your kindness for the newbie on the [53:44] council and and helping me out in listening to dumb questions so that's all I had any questions for me [53:52] thank you very much thank you and welcome as our leazison thank you [53:59] seeing as that's the last item on the agenda I look for a motion to adjurnn so move second all those in favor i any [54:07] opposed we are adjourned