All right. Welcome welcome everybody to the October 15th parks and wreck trail commission meeting Forest Lake. Uh call the meeting to order. And first order of business is roll call. >> Commissioner recorder >> here. Commissioner Morhead >> here. >> Commissioner Tyson >> here. >> Commissioner Herbina >> here. >> If you're able, please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance. I >> alian to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation indivisibley and justice for all. Next item is approve the agenda. Any changes to the agenda? Otherwise, look for a motion. >> I'll motion >> approve. >> Karen, a motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> Aaron second. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. >> Uh, next item, open forum. Do we have any Okay, no speakers. We'll move on from there. No speakers, just visitors. >> Welcome to the visitors. Uh, next item is approve the minutes from our September 17th meeting. Any revisions or corrections? >> Rise a motion to approve. >> A motion to approve the >> I'll second. >> Aaron Aaron motion and Sue seconds. All in favor? I. >> All right. Amberly Woods Parkland dedication. Community development team should have had this all set up. Sorry guys, wasn't quite prepared. Be a little better prepared next time. No problem. >> It's all good. All right, Kyle, can you uh you should be popping up here. >> Okay, >> you're good. There we go. >> All right. Oh, I forgot to update this from Chestnut Creek. >> There you go. So tonight before you we are uh your goal tonight is to make recommendation to the city council regarding the Amberly Woods preliminary plat. Ran through this last time. You're going to see some very similar slides as the last time, but the applicable regulations before you is Minnesota statute 462358 allows for the city to request parkland to be dedicated at the time of planning process. So, this is only allowed during the subdivision process. And what that is is essentially when you're adding more lots to the community, adding more people into the community, asking for parkland to help offset that, you know, to help provide those resources and those public amenities for those future residents. Um the city the statute allows for you to uh require or the city to accept land or cash or a combination thereof. City code section 152 um kind of mirrors that and says we have the right to accept land dedication, but there needs to be some sort of essential nexus. Um we need to be able to make sure that what we're asking for is proportional to the the development that's going on. And with residential densities, uh, with residential neighborhoods, that's 10% of the land area. If it's a non-residential development, 5% of the land area. Mixed use is just based on those land use categories. Um, so tonight before you is preliminary plat for Amberly Woods. This is located off of Good View Avenue. And I apologize I didn't include a site location map. I think there was one in your packet, though my presentation doesn't show that area. um just north of the intersection between County Road 50 and Good View Avenue. Um the development is being proposed with 56 single family detached homes. Um there's kind of like two halves to this development. The west half contains about 17 developable acres. That's where the concentration of the homes will be. And then um there's about 20 acres on the east half of the property. that 17 acre development um 10% of the lot area would be 3.27 acres. In that 20 acre east half, the developer is proposing to dedicate to the city that land for parkland purposes. Um you already heard me mention that the 10% is 3.27 acres. a large portion of that east half, kind of where you see the kind of blobby shapes and the crosshatch, a significant amount of wetland area and wetland buffer area um in that east half, but there is 6.27 of upland woodland acres. And so they are proposing a dedication of 6.21 acres of parkland where they're only required 3.27 acres. Um again, this is one of those circumstances where the city um the city options would be land or cash or a contribution of both. So when we're looking at land dedication, we have to look at what are our adopted ordinances and our long range planning documents. Looking at the 2040 comprehensive plan as shown to you last meeting, this is in the area of a search area for a new neighborhood park. Um, Amberlye Woods is kind of in between where the blue lines already exist. Those are existing sidewalk networks that would be extended through the neighborhood via the roadway system. So, we can see already this is an area that we've been indicating that we'd like to get some sort of parkland in for the community. Looking at our existing halfmile service area, it is an area that is serviced within a one half mile of other existing parks, but it is starting to get out of that 10-minute walkshed area. So, we've identified this as an area that is in need of parkland per the city's um draft plan. So the discussion for you tonight is uh making a recommendation to the city council for a dedication that dedication of land cash or combination of both. Staff's recommendation is that we um the city accept the parkland and there's a couple different reasons that the city staff is recommending that one is it it will be a significant public amenity. Right now in Forest Lake, we don't have that many forested parks. This would be a very nice premier woodland park for the community. Additionally, the other thing to discuss tonight are just parkland needs. In our draft park plan um that I think all of you have recently received, it does show that the city is at a deficit of about 20 miles of natural surfacehiking trails for our community, for our population. this woodland area would really help service that um or help fulfill that unmet need. Uh as I think I've previously mentioned to you, this is an area where the city staff has been looking at the four corners of multiple properties. The option for Amberlye Woods dedication is the hope that then we would be able to add to that as the other lands around that develop. um developers representative uh Twin Cities Land Development is here tonight if you have questions for them. Do you have any questions for me? >> Members, I'm very happy with the recommendation because I'm a land person. I think it makes a lot of sense. But no questions really right now. >> Okay. Yeah, no question. >> All right. Any discussion on the staff recommendation? Makes sense. >> No questions or discussion. So, we can make a motion. >> Make a motion that we >> I think the the motion is in the staff memo. Karen, that is >> my computer didn't talk to me at all, so I didn't print anything. >> That's why I'm here. >> Okay. So, what would you like the uh recommendation of the uh >> It'd be a motion to recommend the city council accept the land donation as proposed by the developer of the Amberly Woods Preliminary Plat. And Karen makes that motion. >> So, move. >> I'll second. >> Aaron Aaron seconds. Any more discussion? All in favor? >> I I welcome Thanks for coming out. >> Thank you. >> Maybe maybe we should just have four members all the time. >> Make for some quick meetings. >> All right. No, we miss our other members. Okay. Uh Bay View Park Project. Dave. Good evening, commissioners. Uh, as we talked about, um, previous meetings, uh, Bay View Park is slated to be a 2026, uh, park reconstruction project. Um, it is included in the, uh, preliminary levy that was sent to Washington County. Um, it's 100% funded for 2026. Will require the levy to be passed in December. But in the meantime, um, with positive, uh, from the commission and council. Um staff would like to start trying to lay out this park and get that design process going to try to get that park designed, bid, and built and and done by the end of next year. So, um, this is kind of the first time we'll go through this, but every park that we'll kind of run into, which maybe your bigger parks like a a big community park may be more of a master plan, but these neighborhood parks are smaller size. We'll try to follow our master plan. We'll try to see what's there. uh look at deficiencies and then whatever you know whether it's community involvement or um commission or staff recommend staff will then put that together design bring it back for um commission to look at and then we go into a final design process get that recommended by the commission approved by the council and go for bid. So that's kind of the the steps in this. So, we're at the 30,000 foot view part of um of where we're at with this planning process. Uh $450,000 is what in the budget for um the reconstruction project for Bay View Park. Uh it's about 8.85 acres. There's two parts of land that are combined to make Bayiew Park. So, just to put that in mind, that's belts is about three acres. This is, you know, less than an acre, so it's a lot smaller in size. I've uh copied some pictures on that. I'm sure you've probably driven by and seen, and I've taken a bunch of pictures of that as well. Uh right now at that park is a uh wood mulch playground with 5year to 12y old um equipment, a swing set, a half basketball court, leave two benches, a picnic table, parking lot with five stalls in it, um a portable restroom enclosure for a restroom, bike rack, and then an 8ft path that winds kind of between 15th and that neighborhood to the I've kind of taken some of those pictures that are attached to that memo as well. >> So, at this stage, we have a number of considerations. Um, staff is looking uh feedback from uh the commission. Um, this will be helpful and myself, Kyle, and public works to try to put together a concept design of what we're looking at to uh put in this new project. So unless you want to go in a different order, I'd like to just kind of go one through eight, I believe, and then try to get some feedback from the commission and then we'll go from there. >> All right, sounds good, Dave. Thank you. >> So number one on this consideration for Bay View Park is um what level of community input should be gathered? Um are we looking for surveys, open houses, uh engage in specific user groups, or is it that we follow what our what we have there and just update it. That's also an option if if we don't want to go down that path of open houses and all that as well. So looking for feedback there if we're starting early enough in the process where any one of them are possible. It just there's cost and and time that goes with everything which I'm not saying is good or bad. just we I want to get that feedback if how much we value feedback from specific people, an open house, uh online survey, and any of those kind of things. What does the commission think about that? >> Karen, >> I prefer to have some input from the users. I think in all of our parks, we just put them in with what we think, but neighborhoods change, people grow, and so I belts. We had the neighborhood party right at the at Belts Park and the neighbors all around were invited to come to Belts Park. That's many years ago, but it seemed to work out that people were interested and by right coming right to the park, they can visualize and and let let know I I feel there's value in that, but how you do it, I'm not saying for sure. >> Marin, >> I think anytime constituents can have a say or give their opinion of what they think should go there helps with the overall feeling and opinion of the community towards the project. maybe just in the form of a um community gathering up here, announce it online or however you do that. And >> so an inerson openhouse, >> get direct input from those that would be interested >> because maybe >> the the one thing is would would it push back the planning process to be able to begin earlier in 2026 potentially? Because like Belts Park is amazing, but now we're coming at I mean for its first year the season kind of limit its use, you know, with it with its opening. So would we be try like what kind of timeline would we be looking at getting the project completed? >> I think we'll try to follow that timeline like more or less like manner where we try to keep that park open for that summer. You try to time construction to happen Labor Day, get reconstructed, and then end by winter. So then next spring it's open as a brand new park. Yes, you don't get the opening thing that kind of year, but I think you get the use out of that park during that summer. Once the kids go back to school, then you can tear it down. Gives a time for the contractor to procure all the equipment, get everything all ready to go. And then you set them a construction date of like >> September 1st to October 31st where that this can get >> ripped out and reinstalled. >> So community engagement want to delay anything? >> No, I so in that project timeline I have it from now until January is kind of consider this the kickoff till January is by January we'd want to really have planning scoping and community input. So, I think you're hearing Dave get some community input, but not necessarily prescribe the exact way you get it. >> That's fine. I'm sure they'll come up with a great idea. But, um, did whatever happened to the information? I wasn't the one that was assigned to Bay View Park, but we did all of that investigating, find out what equipment, what what playground equipment was there, what was needed, what was broken, what >> that's located in the appendix, part of the draft master plan of all the studies that were done on the >> on all the parks. So, that information is there. Um, >> it's written in the memo as well. The 22 draft master plan said the potential improvements include expanding or resurfing the basketball court, adding a volleyball court, and incorporating amenity amenities geared towards teens. Those are the three comments for that. >> They've never stopped calling it the green park. So, we could maybe start there paint. >> My kids call it the green park. >> Oh, everybody calls it the green park really. And it's used by the houses behind it more >> coming through the path. And so that particular development I think would be a good one to rally and find out what they think. >> Kind of ran out of time this year and Kyle came up that great idea of those poster boards that say exciting things are coming and then that QR code at these parks. The the hope is that our 2027 plan for whatever park is on that list that we put up a poster board right there with a QR code so people who use that park for a full year can conduct a survey. rate. You know that they can do that QR code. It'll be a survey. You come to this park often. What do you wish was here? Then that might that would basically do our community engagement all year long and we wouldn't be sitting asking this question. I know Kyle would be able to say 400 people hit that QR code and and asked and said we need this, we need this, we need this. >> I would love to believe there'd be 200 people. 400 be out. Kyle and I have talked again. There's a certain segment of the population that uses QR codes and a certain that doesn't. So, I would hate to be that would be the only way that we're going to allow people to have a say. >> The people that are going to use it are going to know how to use the QR codes. >> Well, maybe they will, maybe they won't. But, you know, >> some type of community engagement, would you would you prefer an open house? Would you prefer like a mailer that goes out to 500 foot radius of that park and tell people we'll have a open house, you know, prior to a workshop here or a meeting or some other day of the week or would you just rather have a survey Kyle create a survey of what would you like to see here sent out to that same kind of mailing list an online survey too? You can do that in tandem where you could put it out on the website. Uh Jolene could post a Facebook blast saying please take the survey. A mix of everything. >> So you already have an idea of what you want to do there, right? In general, >> it's in general, it's not it's not like a a summerfield where we have six acres of green space where there's a lot of discussion. I mean, I'm assuming we're going to want a playground. We're going to want to include something for two to five year olds because it's lacking there. The biggest question be, do we want another basketball court because there's two brand new ones now belts and replace that with something for teens? >> What kind of surfacing do we want on the playgrounds? Is that parking lot with five stalls of waste or do we want it bigger? The volleyball cart got brought up here. That was a discussion. We talked about belts. Do you put the volleyball carts over there? I mean, those are those kind of I think 30,000 foot view is we have a pretty good idea, but it's those those things you plug in. We'll kind of come as we walk down this list too is I think that's the feedback I believe Karen is looking for is people that are going to use it. Is a volleyball court here a stupid idea? 99% of people think is that's a horrible idea or >> we think about getting rid of a basketball court and 100 people serve it says I love the basketball court I wish it was just resurfaced I mean that it might help some of our our questions get answered as well >> and that is is what I was thinking and again the sand volleyball I thought the commission had already given their opinion that it belongs at belts where it was and it's well used and it's well seen so I don't know if that would be on the list again >> it was listed has an efficiency for this park. It was mentioned in the park plan that it should have a volleyball court. I just was taking what they put in and put in those comments from the task parks commission >> by additional standards too. You know, we have a deficit of five sand volleyball courts >> for the city. So, I mean, it's it's one of those things where yeah, you might have more than one just at belts, right? It's a situation here where you have the national benchmarks uh laid out for us. So that's again to Dave's point, that's why we want to make sure we're putting these types of details in because yeah, you might think belts is a great spot for sand volleyball, but if you had 100 people in that neighborhood that say we'd love to have a volleyball court there, well, that gets your, you know, questions answered. So that's those are the details we want to plug away at. >> Well, and again, it's confusing to me because if we ask them if they want to stay in volleyball, then that's great. They want it. We put it. But we've forgotten about all the other people that we aren't surveying about Belts Park. So you're not saying one or the other. You're saying both. >> I don't think we said we're going to take any away from Belts. We would be saying we got in because we're deficient five already within the city. >> Okay. >> So this the issue here at hand then is >> Bel Park. We said we were going to track attendance this winter. >> Yeah. We put that all on hold. Let's let's stay focused on this agenda item that >> So Dave, I this isn't the first park you're we're going to have to we're going to be dealing with. I think you should come have a standard procedure of what you're going to do every time a new park comes up so we don't have to have this discussion. And I it's pretty clear that we we should have community engagement every time we start a new park. Is it an open house? Is it mail out 500 ft? I think you can come up with what you think is going to be the most effective and just make that the standard for all future for all future parks. >> Yeah. And the size of the park makes a difference, too. You could get a lot of feedback and they want all kinds of stuff, but the size may not allow it. So, >> correct. >> Small park like this, too, is it's people that are walking there that are using it. So, to think that you have to do a two mile radius or something that doesn't or citywide necessarily isn't. But >> would it be helpful to just have that in what do you call them? The neighborhood be the ones that would be getting the survey and then people that you think walk up and might want to use that code or um so you have a little bit of both. You have some that will answer the look at the code and some that would get an invitation to an hour before a meeting or something. >> Yep. I think the QR codes will be great going forward. It's just we don't have that time or that to grab. But I think that will be the standard in the future. We >> we'll have a pretty good idea of what we're doing the upcoming year. That that'll be something posted there of, hey, this is slated to be redone and name your year, provide your thoughts, and that'll get a lot of community input and know your users deal. You're going to get some demographics off them and know where they're coming from, what they're using, what what they wish they had. And you can put a QR code in the city newsletter that goes out and >> we can put it in the lobby out here at city hall. People visit city hall and >> y >> so >> okay >> we'll work through that. We'll work through the rest of these and some of these things that we go through might answer some of these questions of how much community involvement want as well. >> Uh second one is accessibility inclusivity. Um, are we are we on the mindset that we want everything on that park to be ADA compliant? Um, or are we looking for portions of it to be ADA compliant? Like belts has a a swing and a and a couple parts on the playground that's ADA compliant. You could they can make ones that are completely ADA compliant or there is no rule that you have to have every park ADA compliant. So I guess option is all partial or none. Right now baby was completely non-compliant. >> Partial. >> Partial. >> Partial would be >> some type of >> hybrid. Yes. >> Something included. Yes. >> So three has a couple bullet points. Um park amenities. Uh just evaluation evaluating the current amenities. Um the playground uh playground equipment playground installed in 2001 geared to 5 to 12 year old age group mulch resurfacing. Uh would you like to see all ages covered including teens in that one container? Would you like a separate teen area or would you like to stick with the the belts kind of model where you have a section for two to five year olds and then a section for 5 to 12? >> I like model personally. >> Yeah. >> Um >> especially if you've got kids and you're there and you got some bigger kids running around, you got the smaller kids. It's nice to be able to keep that separate. >> We had a bunch of playgrounds like Manor didn't have swing sets. This one did have a bank of swing sets. I'm assuming we want to keep that amenity in there of some type of a swing set. >> Swing sets are very important. >> Yep. >> As far as a basketball court is an option to to look into something like sport court because you want to have to refinish probably save some cost there by just buying some sport court, put it down on the ashalt slab. >> Yeah. The problem with that asphalt, it's probably past its prime too that we probably have to redo it. I mean, you could look at servicing like they did at belts. You pave it and then you service it where it's >> stable. >> So, keep walking through your points there, Dave. And >> sorry, I tangent in my own self. Um, right now there's wood wood mulch for surfacing. Um, we high staff highly recommends that we do not go to wood mulch. We either do rubber mulch or uh plate and pore surfacing. The plate and pour and and place surfacing. And the tricky part to that is a belts park that was over half the cost of that playground. >> It was more than the actual playground to put that servicing in. >> So if it's your cost is 450,000, you'd probably be looking at well over 200,000 just to get port and place servicing. It's a great feature, but it will really destroy your budget on that one model. >> So you suggesting rubber over mulch? >> Rubber mulch. >> The rubber's been fine. pass where we we go to all the time. >> Staff has been slowly getting rid of the wood mulch to put in rubber. You don't have to maintain it every two to five years and add more mulch. You don't have the weeds coming through it. >> You don't >> kids love throwing it. >> You don't have I mean they are it's it is playground compliant but you know people still stick them in themselves and it's that kind of thing. There was a 5 10 years ago is there a big thing about rubber mulch that it was carcinogenic. that was proven to be wrong. It was This stuff has been tested. It's um Manor that used to be wood chips, the one we're doing this year. We actually are putting recycled or preused rubber mulch. So, we got it for about half the price. >> Plus, then you don't have the black wearing off on kids clothes and that horrible smell, it's still fine. >> Good idea. >> So, would that be a recommendation to to look towards rubber mulch then? It's a little bit more expensier than the wood mulch, but longterm it'd be a 25 year purchase for that. It would last the length of that. >> Right now, the border is plastic border. Um, I wouldn't have an issue with retaining the plastic border except for along the blacktop trail that we either curb that or it's some type of a sidewalk on there. That stuff gets dinged up by the snow plows and just wear and tear. But I think the plastic border you'd save your cost on that versus putting a concrete ribbon. Belts looks fantastic, but it's a another one of those big expenses you could probably put into, you know, the amenities. >> The same plastic would still be okay with the problems that it does maybe have. >> Yeah. As long as that's not where your foot traffic is, right? Everybody's coming off the trail and that's what gets dinged up and cracked. And then to try to replace that when it's boarded up against the trail is just a nightmare. you're going cutting into the trail to try to fix the plastic. And if you walk through Bay View, that's those are the only ones that are all chewed up. So maybe a portion of that would be a a ribbon curve or something just to protect that black top. >> Fine with me. >> Okay. Uh pick shelters and seating. So right now there's just a floating picnic table. By that I mean it's not anchored down. It just people move it around. Sometimes it's in the playground, sometimes it's in the grass. just kind of a wherever it ends up and then there's u two benches that are permanently mounted in the ground. Um are we would we be looking at having some type of a gazebo or a picnic shelter out there? Are we fine with a floating picnic table or one that's mounted on a slab? Um additional seating around the playground like belts I believe has five. There's five around there's two enough like Cedar I believe has two or three as well. a minute. >> Remind me of the side on the one side. Isn't there a shelter from the trees >> over on that? No sun shelter there. >> Oh, >> there public works to tore down all those dead pine trees about 5 years ago and there's like 10 new maple trees that are planted there and some crab apples. But that that's kind of going to be the only shade you have and I won't be for another 10 years or so. Um, >> how much is a a shelter just on a table? You know, a table with the umbrella kind of shelter. >> It ranges. That's what that's kind of I mean, you can buy picnic tables that have the the, you know, the canopy shelters over them kind of like lakeside that have those bench areas, you know, where a picnic table and that open air ones. You can get gazebo style like Cedar Park where it's four pillars and a metal shed over top. Else has that, too. That one's a smaller size one. Do you have a preference or other a seating area? I know there's a lot of kids and families there. It might be something that where and for Kyle, he does these reservations, right? So then somebody could book it for a birthday party and reserve the evil spot. >> The shelter is nice when you have infants and stuff and you want to have them out in the sun. Dave, to be honest, it feels a little awkward to talk about what we want out there before we've done this getting input from residents out there >> under the heading of we could sit here and tell you a lot of things we want and then we go out and get public input and that's 180 degrees from what we're saying tonight. >> Would that be a suggestion for them to think about? >> You could do, you know, kind of a draft plan and then add it, you know, that as your input comes in. Yeah, >> that's more we're thinking of to get your feedback to have that so when we have this open house or save survey is to kind of get a general idea as >> parks commission staff are kind of looking at doing this for the reconstruction. So under the hand if we were going to do a draft plan and then get input then I okay I get that then >> Yep. I think that community survey or whatever it would be after we get this input. We kind of plug this in and then we say here's what we're thinking about doing, what do you think? Because I think if you have an open house of what do you think you're going to get? >> Yeah. >> Five million things of what should be done. I think we can kind of narrow down their >> direct the conversation. >> Correct. >> Narrow down. Here's a few decisions. We don't you know want to this guy's not the one otherwise it's going to be out of control. a possible picnic shelter or a combination of something over picnic tables that >> something included in there. >> Something budget friendly. >> I'm assuming we're fine with just a portable restroom there. We don't want to put have a full service bathroom or anything that there. It's just a daytime neighborhood. Correct. >> Portable. >> Do we need to provide one? >> We don't need to. We have um I think all of our playgrounds that we have have a portable at it. Although I'm thinking off the top I think every single one except for maybe Eagle Bluff. >> Eagle Bluff doesn't have one. pretty important for children who are being trained and >> I think but I don't like them but I think it's as a mother and a grandmother I'd certainly want to be able to have a place. What do you think mother >> but I I think the next one I'll let you go for this one until you you're done the next one in the parking lot. Yeah, it just seems like a portaotties in an urban area just are it's kind of cheesy. >> I think that's a good thing to to bring up when we have that open house, right? You see need for one. If you overwhelmingly everybody that surveys or shows up and says, "Yeah, we need a bathroom." Question. >> I passed along that when I talked to a mom out there, she said the it's mostly used by contractors that are driving through the area. >> Oh, see how nice. >> Right along the road there. So, I just think it's a poor image to have a porta potty in an or out in the baseball fields out in cooling camp or way out there, but >> there's houses right next door to this thing. >> Then there's houses way down the road, too. >> What's that? >> There's houses way down the road, too. Unless we get the lady who lives close to let us use the bathroom. That'd be great. >> Uh, this one with trails and walking paths. We kind of probably answer our own question. There's a sidewalk along one of the roads and the trail that winds through at the connect. I don't see any expansion of that. That's kind of keep that same there. >> I don't foresee anybody else asking for additional stuff with that. Uh here we are with the sports courts in the field. So court right now current has a half basketball court. >> Um I think that'll be a good part for the open house. Do you want a half basketball court? What would you like to see there as some type of a athletic amenity >> or sand volleyball court in its place or something like that? Did we ever put a partition because we had some complaints the neighbor the balls from the >> basketball? We had offered that resident that um we would pay for um screening if they wanted to put it on their property and they >> want to Okay. >> Did we pass the parking lot? >> No. >> N we'll leave that sport court kind of open-ended. I think there's regardless you'd want to improve what's there if we keep it. That should be a good survey question for the community or the open house. Water features, that's just one of these bulletprints. I don't think this place is a good place for a water feature. No, >> you need more space for that and parking and all that stuff. So, I think that's probably just going to cross itself out for the size of this park, >> chase structures, uh, landscaping. Um, we have the 10 newer trees. Um, there's no structures on the equipment. Um, typically now even with belts, we try to put shade structures on there unless it's a heavily wooded place. It's like the number one thing like even manufacturers tell you to put shade structures on top just skin cancer and all that stuff where parents don't want their kids out in the sun. So >> think that would just be implemented with playground irrigation. Right now there is none. Um, you could maybe make an argue for it if you're putting one in a urban development where every house is mandated by the HOA to have irrigation that you might want to have irrigation, but this this park does not have irrigation. It's just another expense and another thing to go wrong. We can always throw that out on the surway, but I don't think staff would recommend irrigating that as well. Parking lot uh feedback here would be great. I think that'll be a good open house, too. Are you guys proponents of having that parking lot? I get comments from just like how he said contractor use the the bathrooms. Nine times out of 10 you drive by, it's contractors that are parked in there. So, I don't know if it's >> neighborhood park is a waste of a parking lot. >> I would I would say driving by that as often as I do. I see rarely anybody parking there, much contractors or people. I and I do again think it's the people that live there that walk there. So I would >> My kids were little. We used to drive there and park there. >> I don't think it has to be expanded though, do you think? Or >> it's you don't have that parking lot there. That's a big chunk of green space. You could add something there. >> Right. Could you do something similar to what you did with Belts Park where you have the the parking on the road? >> That's a tough spot for road. >> Well, I mean if you push into the parking lot is now with the parking spots and then >> you don't need the full parking lot. You only need a couple slots. It's not a big park. >> It's that curve that makes a problem. >> Leave that one kind of for some feedback from >> open house. >> Yeah, I think that's >> you're not either one way or the other on that one. um park court lighting. Um right now there is no lighting, just street lighting. Um you don't really have a policy or a a thing of doing, you know, Lakeside Park has your path lighting through there. None of the other of our parks really have lighting in there. It's one of those things you go down that road, you start lighting parks, and all of a sudden you're going to be paying to light all the parks. Um amenities like belts with the sport courts lights um directly for that. >> I don't think >> it's in a neighborhood, so I don't know if people would want lights. >> It's a daytime park to me. >> Yeah, >> we'll be talking about that in policies upcoming, too, where if our park policies at the park closed at 10 p.m., do you really want to invite people to be walking around there in the dark anyway? >> Yeah. >> Uh maintenance and operations. Um we kind of touched on that for the the rubber mulch. Um, every playground that we're going to want to buy is going to be durable long-term 25-y year. Um, I don't think this one really needs to touch into that too much connectivity. This one's not going to we there's nowhere to connect to. We have the path going through and we're connecting to those blocks. Um, need to bring this one up if anybody has any historical and this might come out of the survey too of why this park was here, who built this park, that somebody dedicated this park that we make sure we don't forget about that. It's like Manor Park had that granite slab in there that was land was dedicated by so and so. We're going to keep that that monument there. So, >> Dave View in wasn't it used to be the bar? gave you in. Yeah, was >> you went from drinking to playing. >> But I think for this council or this commission, if anybody knows that and that'll be for the open uh house too, our survey is is there a historical value to this that we need to mention mention something there so we're not forgetting something. >> Yeah, I don't think there's much in that. >> Check it out. >> Maybe much you want to put in. >> Farmland and the bar. That's about it. >> We don't want to go into the bar too deeply. >> Yeah. And this one's a this one's a smaller uh parks. I I don't envision a lot of parks and programming going through here, but that that would be another thing that as we got to a bigger park or or you know to make sure we're we're mindful of that of something we could have out here or something. But I think this one's just more of a neighborhood park. >> That was that was those eight. Um, like I that proposed project timeline October through January is we want to kind of put everything together. Myself and Kyle got a pretty good list here is kind of what we're going to put together as a concept of what we want to do, the improvements that we're going to make, suggestions by staff and the commission. Then then schedule some type of an open house survey. We'll we'll bring that back to you probably hopefully November to get your feedback on that. Hey, does it sound like it's a good idea if we do this middle of December or something like that for an open house or Kyle might have an idea for here's a 10 question um survey that we'll send out to people within 500 ft get that approval then move on. So >> if we can get closer to the first part of December because you get into a real >> mass of things but the first part and I I was going back to that irrigation and you were saying it could be something on the survey. I think we have to be careful. If we're saying that isn't going to be irrigated and it shouldn't be, we wouldn't want to even put that on because somebody might think a drink of water down there somehow. I don't know if we are really serious we don't want to have irrigation there. >> I would rather not bring it up and have them >> and I I think some of the stuff we're not going to bring up, right? If the staff doesn't recommend it and neither does the commission >> then it's then it doesn't become part of that survey to get this irrigated. I don't think anybody in this room wants it irrigated. So, it just be something >> if that's not one of your options to to consider here. It's >> consider these kind of things. >> The hope would be to get that open house and then to dial in that um everything by January and the month of February, Kyle, myself to get to get prices and design to actually design it to kind of give you an idea what it's going to look like and hopefully put it out for bid. March, April, award the contract at the end of April and then let them procure their equipment and get everything ready and then that would be that September through October be sound like a good plan. >> Great plan, Dave. Thank you. >> That's all I have. We'll get working on that. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> All right. Moving on. Next one. Staff report on park policies. Kyle Looks like you've been busy, Kyle. >> Yeah, >> try to stay busy, right? Um, just want to also mention, so Cindy is here with uh um from from flaw, but just sitting in the meeting. It's kind of skipping ahead a little bit to a staff update, too. But this policy uh we've talked um at past meetings about is really tied around how we handle this agreement that we've had with Flaw in the past. Right. moving forward. Um we have to have these policies in place um in general, but then um you know users like flock can just see what is our general policy, what does that mean for fees that they'll pay versus saying we're going to have an individual agreement with with each group that uses our parks, right? We don't have that classification or policy in place. So, this is just a introduction to a classification. Um, don't pay too much attention to the fee schedule. While that's based off of um current fees, it's not necessarily anything that we've put any final um hammering into, but it just gives you the idea of what you're really looking at. What does the classifications mean, and you can kind of see how that relates to the fee schedule. you are going to have your lower classified um groups pay a lesser amount and uh that's pretty typical when it goes into athletic complexes whether it's ice arena fields um right you're going to have different usage groups um ranked um depending on on where they fall so this is um I would say a next to um you know finished we We'll probably take some more looks. We've been looking into other city use policies and classifications as well. U but it's it's pretty much uh what we are recommending. Uh and really it's just in front of you to hopefully read through um have read through it and just if there's anything you feel like we've missed or need clarification on before we bring a final policy for this commission to recommend council adopt, that's what we want to discuss here tonight. What's the difference between a class two and a class three nonprofit youth and adult community service recreation groups? So you're I believe there may be a let's see here because you're looking at the nonprofit youth and adult community service groups with the majority and then it's repeated down down with the majority. There's just going to be Yeah, that's we got to reward that, change that up a little bit, but it's going to be just different uh types of groups. So, you're going to have um you know, like your flaws, your your athletic groups, and then you might have different different uh nonprofit organizations that come in. But really, the the biggest highlight is to say your class two is going to be your majority um and and probably your more recreationbased. And then you get into more um you know non-recreation based but still hold a nonprofit lake associations. It won't be for athletic fields won't be super common but you want to have a little decipher there. >> Going back up and since Cindy's here is there anything that flaw has been involved with that they would like to share with the commission or has have things been going pretty smoothly? Okay. >> Um that's kind of that's we'll do for staff update. We'll we'll kind of talk we'll highlight about conversations with flaw. Okay. >> Um with this policy specific flaw hasn't really necessarily been involved with it. >> Um you know staff's >> thinking about flaw in a policy like this obviously um just because where they land um but they haven't necessarily been involved. But we can we'll get into that in staff updates with uh our negotiation conversations with flaw and how they fit into this agreement. We can certainly highlight. >> Okay. >> Any other comments? So what I'm seeing is class two is nonprofit youth groups, adult groups, just uh general organized groups and then class three is more of nonprofit but sports related activities and things like that. Is that kind of really differentiate the two or >> the sports would be in the class two and then the other just other groups would be more class three. Okay. >> You're not looking for action on this tonight? >> No, just feedback. Yep. Just feedback and clarification. So like class two and three clarification we'll we'll include that. >> And this isn't these policies aren't going to necessarily spell out every group that you're going to see, right? You're going to have a group come in and you're just going to have to best fit them in this schedule. Um, so like you use some examples. Um, for instance, like uh high school boosters, typically they're not going to be um in the same classification as like the actual nonprofit recreation groups um just because they don't fit within that mold and stuff like that. So, you're just going you're not going to necessarily list out every single potential group um but you're just going to be able to place that group within the schedule. something to kind of look into too. It's uh noted in there where there's a fine line, right, where a group is class two, but then if they're doing certain things with the complex fundraising or um charging admission, stuff like that, that can knock them down to a higher class, which in turn, obviously, they get a higher charge for those things. um you know for an instance like flaw their their user groups are going to be class 2 flaws charging for concessions out there. However, that's a separate agreement that the city has. So that's not going to affect their classification for field use per se. So just there's some there's some nuances in there, but we're trying to note as much to make sure we're covering our basis. So it's a very clear this is what the policy says. Okay. So certainly if if um if you have any feedback that comes up, like I said, it's likely that we'll come back in November and and ask for a final recommendation. Just want to give it some time and make sure it sits in revisit a couple times. So, >> right. >> Okay. Thank Kyle, >> you want to roll into your last item, park signage. So um again and within the report we're looking to part of the u master plan I think even 2014 touches on just better park signage. Uh we have you know several ideas of what we want to do but we also want to bring forth some of those ideas and get some um feedback. It's kind of learned my lesson about the cooling camp, right? We think it's a great put a portable in a spot and all a sudden you have a resident come in and say hey why is that portable there? That's what we want to just try to um be mindful of is talking to you guys about hear some of our ideas that we have and certainly um staff is going to have a you know heavy heavy weigh in that but we also want to get your feedback. Uh really what the goal is is just to kind of you know Don kind of hinted to this have a standard right have a practice that we all agree on and and know of that every park this is how we're going to have signage and there's a lot of different options for signage right you can have floating signs on chain link you can have signs on U channel post or you can have a dedicated space for park rules you know activities going on in the park so on so forth. I tried to use some examples of what we have and then even just in the past what um previous staff had been working on for park signs. Um staff myself feels like we maybe want to stay away from like the U channel posts that just are floating around. There's sign ordinance involved there and then that's a safety thing. It's uh for maintenance working around etc. It's a target it seems like for graffiti or getting pushed over or just something silly. Um so you can see in a couple photos here we have like display boards. Um one of those the bottom one is at Fenway and then the there's a one in the middle that's at like Lakeside. Um personally I think that's a nice look. It's a a place for us to even do our own park advertisement, arts in the park or facility rentals, but just kind of coming up with a standard. Um those top pictures are sign boards in every park that um that display what the park is, park name, um you know, identifies that park. So there's maybe some thought on do we have one side be a park sign and then the back side put a display board there and then you just want that consistency right so when people go to the parks they know they can go to that display board and get consistent information what are the rules um each park might have you know lakeside's going to have probably more um policy or rules in place right than say a manor park you're going to have total different use going on um so just getting some consistency. So, just again looking for some feedback. Any thoughts that you guys have written down or from reading the report? >> I like the fact that it was I don't know when because I don't know years, but we did go with the bridal path bridal pass park look so that we could have the same look in each park and I would still like to maintain that. People are used to it. I love your idea of having some kind of a back of the board where you can put advert you can change it. You know, this is not going to be changed, >> but you could change things on the back to let people know what's happening and >> if that I don't know what that costs, but I just like the idea when you said that. >> Well, I mean, you can you look at that bridal pass, the side facing the road, you have the bridal pass park and on the back side as people are leaving. >> Yeah. >> You have your shadow box and >> whatever notific you guys want to put out there or QR codes or whatever you're going to post. >> Yeah, I think um we added one to Fenway and Don can maybe speak a little bit to this. It just while you know we had some you know minimal information out there, I think people appreciated just what was out there um in those displays. >> No, absolutely. those they're very professional looking and like you said out of the weather and I think that's a I think so far you're hearing that's a look that looks great and >> I don't think anybody up here would argue against not trying to come up with a consistent branding for the parks >> would it is it way out of line to think you know I was thinking of the school and what they do and what they make and how we were going to use them for other things we really haven't used them would a display board be something that they could Okay. >> Yeah, it's you're you're probably looking for a weatherproof and that there's probably some difficulties. Certainly, it's something that we can ask just to open that door to see, but >> got the 3D printers. I mean, they can do an awful lot stuff. >> Yeah, >> a simple ask maybe it won't work. I agree. >> Plus, >> it's a good idea to >> breakable. Maybe there's a material that's not so breakable that can be >> Yeah, these these outdoor I think the display boards come from like Uline, right? They're weatherproof. They're meant for outdoor. They're they're going to check their boxes. >> Acrylic glass. >> Acrylic glass. So either I mean again it's it's a door we can open and just see just to say we check that box and certainly wouldn't hurt but um but then just yeah the consistency right where you know we can order x amount of displays at x price and you know they're all going to be consistent. So, >> so it just sounds like the commission feels like >> maybe looking into the display boards and versus again, you know, putting U channel posts with like like at Belts Park, right? We want to say no bikes on the courts, but how do we do that? What's the best way to do that? >> Um there's going to be some >> um instances like for instance belts park, there's court lights, there's a button. We're going to end up putting a display sign above that that explains to people push the button and whatever, but just for the most part having a consistent display board idea is what what we're looking for. >> Yep. Karen, >> would this be a good time to bring up the bike sign at Belts? Because I've been up there a couple of times. You've been up there a couple of times and um I deputized some kids. I don't know if I had the power to do that, but they were so sweet about understanding. We didn't know that. we're so sorry. We we didn't know there was no bikes and they were just very very nice kids. And I said, you know, I can't be up here all the time, so maybe you could be like deputies and explain to people that there will be a sign because that certainly is necessary. Otherwise, how do we expect kids to know? That's what they said. We didn't see any sign. I said, perfectly fine. You know, I understand that. Why would you know? And so a a bike rack um and maybe a sign for now and then a bike rack or a good bike rack so that they use it. I don't know. >> Yeah, cuz the teenagers aren't so nice. >> Yeah. >> You're not deputizing them. >> These six, seven year olds were so cute. they were really handle. >> But I do think, you know, before we grew in the the surface and then wish we had done it, I don't care if it's a professional sign or if someone just writes it out on a pegboard for now because how would they know they're not supposed to have their bikes on that fabric? >> It's a in the park itself or in the on the courts? No. In the playground. >> In the park. In the playground. >> Gotcha. And then they spin and they put their kickand kickstand down. >> Oh yeah. >> And >> on that expensive ground. >> And they don't realize that the ones, >> you know. Doesn't have to be fancy, but it'd be something to point to. >> Can't have anything nice. >> It's going to be a problem no matter what. It might be a problem, but then we can at least point to it. >> No, no, it's just Yeah, >> it's not just that. It's a potential injury. Like when I was there, there was two teenager kids on bikes and they were literally riding through the play structure and it's like you got little kids here, guys. You guys can't do this. Hit somebody and hurt somebody. >> Noted. >> Okay. All right. Staff's got that on their plate. All right. uh staff updates my list. >> So just uh farmers market just circling back we're currently working um on some details. We've talked with Rotary. It sounds like there's some interest in some sort of partnership with that. So that's ongoing, right? That's going to be probably a another few months of back and forth and finalizing details. But just to report back that we are currently working on it and moving forward with it. Um part of my update does include the flaw agreement. So our last meeting we kind of I talked to the commission to that agreement and just go to this use policy. um from meeting with FLAW and again Cindy's here that can speak to that for herself and maybe if you don't mind stepping up and giving some feedback but in our our opinion and talking with FLA everything went really well during that conversation it seemed very wellreceived of course that was with the flaw board members um certainly they got a they've been communicating that out I believe to their groups I don't know if you have anything that you want to share with us >> not especially I'm sure get some, you know, feedback. Maybe not super positive because it is going to be more expensive. Um, but they're in their budget planning right now. So, for that >> Oh, Mr. Chair, would you would it be possible to say that right now it's the city and and FL working very well together? Uh, is there anything that we should have brought up? I mean, because that's always been, you know, the highlight and we want to make sure that that connection with law in the city is a good one. Certainly helps everybody. >> Yeah, I think it's I think it's fine right now. Um, >> you might want to just step out just trying to >> I know. I know. >> Totally avoiding the camera. Um yeah, I think um just with working with Paul and was my at that meeting? I can't remember. Um and I think the agreement that we have obviously, you know, like I said, it's going to be a little bit more and that'll that'll be on the sports to figure that piece out. >> Um but it's a a weight off of our shoulders trying to, you know, make Greg organize who's going out there and you know him or Paul if they can't. So, it's a weight off of us and then not having to maintain all the equipment, which is a can be a big cost, too. Um, so we've been talking about that and um and I think there's going to be a walk through sometime before the snowflies um with flaw in the city out there just looking at what's out there and what needs repair or um any future plans for the year. >> I think it's good for this commission to know too. So I think for the most part Fenway the the pavilion there the building had been maintained by flaw and just kind of they've solely were taking care of things by themselves. But this year the city did put uh what was it about $1,000 thousand plus dollars into fixing things like the um the dividers in the bathrooms and stuff like that. So it's it's been more of moving into that We're out there. It's, you know, it's our structure. We're out there helping. We have a good good relationship with FLAW in that sense. Uh it's also like, you know, Cindy mentioned, there is an increase in price by the city. However, obviously, we're providing more services out there. Um and like like Cindy mentioned, you know, it's a relief off of flaw um and as the facility managers to take on more of that role. So, um but yeah. Can anywhere else? Anything else you have to share? >> I don't think so. Nope. >> Thanks, Cindy. >> We're not losing any teams or anything. I mean, when you say raise the price, is that going to be on the different teams that come in or different sports? >> It would be on the on the individual sports that use the field. So, softball, baseball, and lacrosse. So, um what do we say maybe? Well, and we don't really know exactly what that's going to look like because based on what they use this year and then how they're gonna, you know, it's going to be totally different um structure-wise for for this next year. Um but based on their actual usage. So, they're going to have to decide if you know um two teams can share a field or you know, which we always encourage because these little people don't always need a full field when there's 10 of them on a team. you can be doing all kinds of things. Um, but sometimes that's a philosophy difference, too. >> Keep up the good work out there. That's a a very large asset for our city. >> Absolutely. Yep. >> I think it's good to note another thing. Um, like as Cindy was talking about, so this past the past way this is done, it was just one big lump sum and those fields were just dedicated. this does allow those teams to say we're not going to use these fields as much. We can go use another field um if we want to or however it works. So, it does give them freedom to control how much use they actually have. Again, the the idea is maybe have more teams can practice on one field. Um, and then it's also, I think, important to note that within the fee schedule, um, flaws receiving, um, on average, it's going to be like a 50% discount of what the usage would actually cost. Okay. >> So, that's something that is, I think, important for this commission to note, too. >> Good to know. >> So, >> yeah, I mean, I think the whole point is to keep all those kids using those fields because people like it. It's a great park. Um, there's flushing bathrooms and we love that. >> But, uh, you know, it's I think, you know, it's a work in progress for sure. >> Well, thank you. >> At least you know what your costs are up front. You're not worried about this piece of equipment broke and now we got to >> replace it now cost you budget for. >> Yeah. Because flaw flaw doesn't make money, right? We just circle it around. So, >> like Dave said, now >> what your cost is up front, right? >> Now, he just gets to worry about that, right? That's That's Dave's problem. Thanks, Cindy. Um, just to brief update with the school district. Um, part of the same agreement conversation with the field prep duties and all that. Um, there was the initiation to discuss with the district on that where the district said they're not in place to provide any of those services out there. However, it's um it's prompted just an ongoing meeting with the district. Again, we have monthly meetings discussing just overall fields within our systems within the district systems trying to make sure that we are offering enough fields. Um we did just recently send something out to FL to I I did of just a give us how many teams you've had over the last several years average per age group. What size field do they need? how many times are they practicing versus how many times do they want to practice. So, we're doing a just an overall analysis of both of our complexes, if you will, to just see where we're at. Maybe we find out that between the district and the city, we have 15 extra ball fields that we really don't need to use, and that could certainly help uh clean up for both of us that we don't have to maintain these extra ball fields because they're not being used. Or the exact opposite, we need more because we're short five fields, right? So, um, that's been a very good ongoing conversation with the district. Just again been a monthly, um, ordeal. We could get some tasks, bring it back to the table and talk. So, we did have another meeting with them last week. Um, and that's an ongoing discussion. Belts Grand uh, Belts Park grand reopening obviously took place. It uh, was very successful. It a lot of people showed up, had a lot of kids there. Um, everything great weather, so it seemed to go very well. and we've heard great things about that park and hope that it continues to be used heavily like it is. Um, Veterans Memorial, that's something that this commission didn't spend a lot of time um on, but I think you guys were just briefed on what's going on out there. That's above ground now. They're definitely coming along very quickly here. um talking about potentially pouring concrete this week yet for sidewalks. >> That much pushed to Monday because of the rain, but yeah, it's come on pretty quick. >> So things are getting um buttoned back up here and in a in a good timely manner. So that's always nice to see that come back together. >> Uh Manor Park, that construction should start very soon. Um we I believe it was supposed to start already, but it's it's right around the corner. So, um, public works, they definitely did a lot of work out there that saved the city money that probably would have been I mean, we just put it back into the playground. I mean, that's why we could afford playground we got. We did a lot of stuff in the house, >> drain tile, leveling stuff off, getting the container prepped. So, I mean, uh, all that work has been done for prep and again that was a nice cost saving. So, uh, public works, you know, gets a nice pat on the back for that. So, that should be hopefully coming in really soon. Uh, let's go fishing. That hasn't gone away yet. They're still plugging away. Um, they're getting they're getting funding, uh, which is always nice before they've ever even done anything out on the lake. So, that's encouraging. Trying to finalize some details about which direction they're going to go for a boat, whether they're going to be buying a used boat from within a another chapter or if they're going to be able to get a brand new boat. It's very likely they'll be coming to a meeting to just give us an update, maybe even for an ask, but that's still chugging along too. Um, Cub Scouts, there was, I think, eight um members that uh last Sunday they came out to a few parks. I think Bels, Lakeside, and maybe Fenway as well. But they had a few of their like eight nineyear-old members go out and clean some parks. uh which is always a nice nice thing to see them out and about. So just kind of a thanks to them and um they might be coming to their November meeting I think uh just to introduce themselves and again just kind of give them a pat on the back for for doing that. So um let's see here parks the everything's kind of getting ready to shut down for the season. those parks that uh you know don't continue on for winter use obviously Belts Park um Lakeside Park with uh Belts Park will keep bathrooms get ready for the um ice rinks Lakeside the bathrooms will be shut down water will be shut out uh I think the irrigation was already blown out for for our all of them Fenway >> just not Fenway yet so that's coming along like I said we're coming to a close in the season um warming house positions. We have our previous staff members. They are working with our new HR specialist, I believe, is her title. And she's getting the returners contracted up and then I think we're going to have a job posting probably looking for at least two more warming house attendants. But, uh, get that word out if you know of anyone that might be interested looking for, you know, kids as young as 16. Ideally, they can drive themselves there. But um as mentioned, you know, for the consistency of being open, the goal is to staff those seven days a week again um and make sure that they're open and available every day. So, um then hometown holiday coming up. Obviously, we don't want to skip Halloween or Thanksgiving or anything like that, but we have our hometown holiday tree lighting event. That's Friday, December 5th. You guys are all um obviously invited and certainly there's going to be some volunteer duties, so anyone that wants to do that, let me know. But we will maybe be sending out an email shortly. We do partner with the chamber on that event. So they have a role. We have a role. But um you know again we'd like to see all the commissioners down there for uh Friday night Christmas tree lighting. So I think that's all I got. I might be forgetting something. I don't know. Do you have anything? >> Uh the one just update for cooling camp that has been completed. The fencing project uh public works is putting the roofs on. I believe they're just doing shroom work now. So I would say the end of this week that should be all completed. That that project we're about $10,000 under budget. That was approved at $100,000 and we're at 90,000. Um we did that roof work for a lot cheaper than we thought we could do it for now. So save some money there. Um coming up in November, um Kyle presented that classification that's going to tie into the fee schedule. will be looking for um the parks commission to recommend the P schedules that will be on the meeting first meeting in November for the council meeting. So or first meeting in December for the council meeting. So we'll need to recommend that approval for like the arts and the park fees. That's what will fall in for this um field use schedule that he has that classification. He kind of showed that we'll be approving or recommending approval of that that fee structure. Um, as you heard, we're working pretty well with Flaw and it's pretty close to what they paid last year, a little bit more, but it's it's going to that's only going off of their lump sum hours last year. So, that that could come down and be pretty close to that. But, we're trying to find a number that works for how our fees are going to work and then try to not give them the off factor, but we're also taking on market. Like Cindy and Kell said, it's nobody got up and walked out of the room and said, "This is ridiculous." So I think we're pretty pretty agreeable on that. >> Not alive. >> Uh Castlewood agreement um extension of their foresomes management that should be coming in November for recommend recommendation of approval for that. And then just an update on Chestnut Creek that was at our last meeting that went to the um city council on Monday night. Uh, city council approved the preliminary plat for Chestnut Creek with a recommendation that the developer look into providing parkland in phase two. The timeline on that there's that that was the recommendation that the the developer look into providing parkation some form of land. timeline for that that was just happened on Monday. So I don't have any other dates on that but just so this commission is where that's that's where we stand for Chess Creek. Abby will Abby will be sending out an email either to Kyle and then he can forward on or just to this commission of kind of giving back history and to where we're at now and and that that summary that's pretty much all I know but she'll kind of give a more in depth of the timet how that went and then possibly what to expect going forward. Did the council recommendation of a minimum amount of land or >> they did not provide any recommendation. Their their recommendation was for the developer to look into providing park land. >> Okay. and working with the residents there pretty clear that they were going to have a conversation so that when he and the developer would like to have everybody happy he's going to sell the houses and so made it very clear to me that he's very much in favor of a park. It's just a matter of what kind, what size, all that kind of thing. That was that was side talk but the actual recommend the it was approved with a recommendation that developer looking to providing park land in phase two. >> Thanks Dave. >> Yep. That's all I have for updates. >> Okay. >> Was there an update on a policy for naming buildings? Oh, that that applicant withdrew their request um for uh Castlewood after we had that discussion, realized that that was getting into the weeds of naming that, she asked us to provide her with the uh the monument um policy that we had just adopted early in the year, and she was going to go back and talk to um people to see if they want to do something like that. So, um I think she was more appealing of having a monument on the building was something like that versus naming the building. So, she saw the hoops that she was going to probably have to go through and the uphill battle that I I think she felt probably going that other direction. >> Is the council Yeah. Are they >> the council kind of followed her suggestion to you that they didn't want to get into that that those weeds of creating that policy. So they kind of put it on the back burner and didn't really want to didn't say no but really didn't want us to pursue pursue that that very very far. >> Could I just ask Kyle for one more thing if I have had a few calls from the arts in the park vendors. Is there a deadline already up to >> Nope. October 31st is >> also is that 150 I believe it is or $250 difference? We talked about that um how much the more the vendors are going to be asked to pay that it was proposed on that has that become more than proposed now it's going to be added to there. >> So what was talked about last meeting is that we had the proposed rates in the new application. Um the there's been no changes to those proposed rates and again we have to get those adopted in the fee schedule. Um but nothing's changed with that. So, the general vendor fee stayed at 250. The food market stayed at$ 250 for the proposed rates. Those were an increase of $50 for the general vendor and then an increased rate of $150 for the food vendor, but we talked about that at the last meeting. And >> there's still confusion out on the vendor side of things. So, >> it's proposed until our November meeting when you recommend that that be the approved fee schedule. So that that'll >> and they've got until what time to sign up? >> October 31st. I mean there'll be a wait list, but you can certainly tell them to give me a call and I can >> help walk them through anything. >> We don't they don't know what they're going to be paying. >> Exactly. You don't have a late sign or last sign up for them and then they know how much they pay in November. >> Yep. So, what's going to happen is those once those fees get approved or finalized, we'll once we're selecting the applicants uh the approved vendors, they'll get noticed of all that and at that time they don't have to they can back out if they want commissioner updates. Any updates, Erin? updates for my part. >> Karen, >> sorry that should have been my update. >> No, so sorry. It's all good. >> I I have one more thing to add is the Arts in the Park was nominated for the community event of the year, >> I believe, within the chamber. So, that's something that's kind of a nice a nice plus, too. So, to see that event get nominated for that. >> Thanks, C. Sue. Anything? >> Uh, nothing. >> All right. Well, it looks like we're ready to adjourn. Somebody want to make a motion? >> I'll move. >> Karen, move. >> I'll second. >> Aaron second. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> That passes. We're adjourned.