[Music] I will call to order the planning commission meeting for April 16th, 2025. And we will start with the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So the first item is to approve the meeting agenda for April 16th, 2025 planning commission meeting. Is there a motion? This is Susan. I'll make a motion to approve the April 16th, 2025 planning commission meeting agenda. Is Robin. I'll second. Motion's been made and second. I'll call for the vote. Robin I. Susan I. Ken I. And Lynn I. Next, I will look for a motion to approve the April 2nd, 2025 planning commission meeting minutes with the correction of um lack of traffic signage instead of lake of traffic signage. And then Susan um the the motion made by me for the in our April 22nd planning commission pack will be April 2nd. on page three. Okay. So, I'll move that we approve the uh April April 2nd planning commission meeting minutes with those addendums or changes. Motion's been made. Is there a second? Kim I. I second. Motion made and second. I'll call for the vote. Robin I. Susan I. Kim I. And Lynn I. Next is the public open form. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to or online address the planning commission? Hearing none, we will move on to the planning commission discussion of the Lo's Travel Stop site plan review. And thank you Elellanar for getting me all the documents that I asked for. Of course. Um, would you like me to review it? All right. Yep. The Loves Travel Stops acquired a CUP uh for a travel center um back in 2021. Construction of the new business was completed in August of 2022. Since then, there's been a higher number of visitors at to this location than was initially anticipated. and the facility reached out to city staff to ask what type of permitting they would need to add four additional fuel stations to their existing fuel pump island uh in order to accommodate that influx of guests. Uh city staff decided to do a site plan review to process this permit rather than a full cup amendment as the proposed addition doesn't constitute a true expansion of uses um nor affect any of the existing cup conditions. the applicant the applicant submitted that site plan review on March 6th, 2025 and the planning commission held a discussion regarding the site plan review uh at the previous planning commission meeting on April 2nd, 2025. Um during that discussion, there was a few additional pieces of information that was requested for this one. There was the um copy of compliance inspection reports regarding their initial cup which was provided, copies of minutes with for that initial CUP. Um as well as traffic incident reports at that parking lot. Um all three of those items were provided and um we're looking for a discussion for this site plan. I would like to reiterate again that this is a site plan review and not a cup amendment. So, we're not changing any of those uh original conditions. We're not really dealing with the um other things going on at Loves. It is just about the additional fuel pump island and how that um how that will play out. Uh I would turn this over to the planning commission for discussion. Thank you, Ellen. So, real quick, I'm going the police reports. Um, this year you've only had two. So, um I mean I just looked at every year they've gone down. So, that's a good thing. And they weren't all um bender benders. Some were vandalism. So, um I just think that uh we can't require you to put up a sign that one way, but it might help um with the traffic ones that were there. But that was good. And then the the trees um the suggestion on the type of trees that Robin suggested. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Come on up, Zach. Just state your name and your address. memorize that. Good afternoon, y'all. Uh, Zack England, general manager, uh, Love Travel Stops here at 15402 Hornsby Street Northeast. Um, yeah, additional signage. Uh, definitely the one ways, uh, we'll work on more of that. I agree. So, we'll just especially along the light post, too. So, that'll help. So, we'll get some more of that going on. Um trees, too. Uh we're working on just so you guys know, we are working on I just got one contractor in there today to do a bid. Um we're going to get a couple more to do bids to change them to the spruce um trees as well. So, either all of them or the ones that are for sure dead. Uh it's gone up all the way through the chain. So, we got an approval to move forward on that. So, now we're getting the bids and we'll have that done probably this spring, if not the next month. So, they're moving pretty fast on that. I'm so happy you did your homework. I was disappointed because I had asked if there was somebody further up the food chain that we could maybe light a fire under. Yeah. Because, you know, I know having been a manager of a gas station, it's not Loves, but it was a gas station that, you know, you only have so much say as to what's actually going on. You know, you got your district manager and your regional manager. So, but you did your homework. I'm thrilled. Thank you. Yeah. And we're looking at too. There was a lot of uh whoever planted it before to even take them out the ball uh wrap. Like I'm actually seeing it still coming in the ground. So, it's another reason why they're dying. Uh, as well, of course, they're not native. Actually, some of those trees are from where I'm from in Nevada, which is a whole different climate, desert. So, they even even my divisional director was here two days ago and he was like, they were arguing back when they were constructing the place that these trees are not native. And they're like, "Oh, no, they are native." And he was like, "I don't think these are native." And I literally was telling how Robin was like telling me what native trees were actually here. And these trees that they planted were not native, most of them. So, yeah. So, great. We're definitely work on that and getting it taken care of pretty quickly here. Excellent. That takes care of my questions. Anybody else? I don't think I had anything. I was just I actually went through all the um the incident reports and saw really nothing major. I mean, I think it's typical. It average out to be maybe one a month. I think it's probably holiday across the bridge might have the same. So, I don't think that for to me that was no concern. Yep. Well, and the fact that you only had two so far this year, I was like, "Wow, that's impressive. It's almost May." Um, just to um for the city standpoint, can we just make sure that the compliance officer when the trees are dealt with that he continues to monitor that since it was an issue a couple years ago? Mhm. Um we keep on top that that's on the schedule. And keep in mind though that's not the topic for the rest of the site plan review. That's a separate in we've got that schedule to and I applaud Lo's uh looking into this and taking action on it and we'll keep monitoring that. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Perfect. Anything else? Is that it for discussion? Well, I would like to make a motion to uh approve the Lo's travel site stops site plan review based upon the findings of fact and contingent of the recommendations as presented in the planning commission packet. Motion has been made. Is there a second? This is Susan. I'll second. Motion made and second. I'll call for the vote. Robin I. Susan I. Kim I. And Lynn I. So, that will go um recommended for approval in front of the city council next Wednesday uh April 23rd, 6:00 p.m. right here. Appreciate that. Yep. Awesome. That's it. Hopefully, I have more bids and I'll let you know also on the tree. So, keep you guys updated on that. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, inservice discussion. Who's in the hot seat, Dean or Elellanor? She's looking at me. Um, I don't want to insult anyone. Um, but what I've learned over the years, because it took me so long to learn, um, it might be very helpful to planning commissioners and council members as well to understand a little bit more about how property is described. Some of you might live in a subdivision that is platted and you see your lot 4, block 8, and you have to look at a drawing to figure it out. For those of you that live on unplatted property, which is referred to as meats and bounds, it seems hard uh to figure out what it is, but if you know the basics, it really isn't that complicated. Um Elellanar provided you with a couple of section maps, the north half and the south half of a section. I don't intend to read my handout. Um I I I wrote it many years ago and I I updated it again. I I think it's just a good resource for you to have. But I want to walk through a little bit about uh the the meets and bounds description process. Um it was what 20 years ago that you changed from a township to a city. But in the survey system throughout the country, townships um are meant to determine a a section or a grouping of sections of property. And so a regular township has 36 sections. And in many rural areas, the townships are all the same. They're they're equal. You look at a county map and it looks like a checkerboard. They're all perfect squares. Here in the metro area, cities are all different shapes. They look like school districts. And uh there's nothing simple about them. But in Columbus, you had um not only a normal township, which is six miles east and west and six miles north and south, you actually had 12 more sections of land to the north. And so you're 48 square miles instead of 36 square miles. One of the larger cities uh in the state. I think East Bethl was another that was also large. It was offset similarly um like Columbus. And each section of land is 640 acres. And the section maps that you get, you've got a half section here. And so if you take this and cut that east and west in half, those would represent two quarters. And you flip that map over and there's two more quarters. So every every one square mile section of land has four quarters. And then each of those four quarters have four quarters. And so there are 16 quarter quarter uh parcels within each section of land. And the key to that is when you read a a description, it it'll say the southeast quarter of the northwest quarter. And you really need a drawing like this to place it in that fashion. And it'll say commencing at the southeast corner. or more complicated it might be approximately 765 ft from the southeast quarter or the northwest quarter com and vents uh they'll give you a a curbal linear line and it's extremely hard to read but it's I think appropriate for you when you're looking at platted property each one of these the other drawing that um Elellanar copied to you was one of our recent plats and there's a legal description on these and this happened to be a relatively simple one. It's it's the subdivision of a quarter quarter uh of land. It's got several streets on it and those break up those properties. But if you read the legal description on many of the plats that we go through without that basic understanding what it is and without a little cheat sheet a drawing where here they have shown you in this uh corner of the preliminary plat how this one quarter quarter section relates to the entire section of land. And that just gives you a little better handle on how to comprehend what you're doing because once the plat's done, you you always go and find the drawing and when you look at a final plat on the back side, uh it doesn't give you the information that you have on a preliminary plat. And so both those documents have different purposes. And clearly the the recording of property in a lot and block fashion uh from a title review standpoint is much cleaner uh than uh keeping those meats and bounds divisions of property and partly for that. This community, like most communities in the metropolitan area, don't allow the subdivision of land by meats and bounds. So if somebody owns a 20 acre parcel, has a house on it and they want to split off 10 acres and and they don't have wetlands that prevent that and they have road access. In the old days, they could come in and a surveyor would say, "Well, we have this 20 acre parcel and then they had a halfpage legal description of it and we're going to create it into two parcels. the west parcel is and that would have a halfpage description and then the east half it it would be simple uh in your mind that they're just cutting that 20 acres in half. We have very ugly parcels that straddle many sections of land not just quarter quarter sections but get into multiple sections uh and have all curve linear boundaries and they're extremely difficult. For that reason, uh we have simply said you're going to plat every subdivision of land in this community and that's not uncommon. So the basic U township and range survey system is essentially throughout the entire United States. here in the Midwest uh where it was done uh in the mid to late 1800s, the the divisions of property and those meets and bounds maps are a lot cleaner than in New England, which were done in the 1600s and the 1700s. And over time, everybody finds errors that were done by a surveyor, whether it was the 1600s or even in the 20th and perhaps in the 21st century. Um, the first city I worked for, the city of Rosemont, the county wanted to extend a road through some farmland. And the surveyor that had originally the only monumentation of this area was 49 ft off at the north end of this person's property and it came to a single point at the bottom. And so when that happens, you have to go through a legal process to determine, well, who loses the 49 ft. In that instance, the county said, "All right, instead of a 60-foot road, we're going to make a 80 foot road, but it was also wider at the one end." And they ate the property. They bought the land. And if they hadn't done it, it gets settled in court privately, and usually there are no happy or winning properties. when these errors come up and they go through buildings, uh they get corrected without forcing people to tear buildings down. But part of the purpose um in going to platting is it avoids very simple surveying errors. And no matter how good a surveyor is, if you if you picked up the starting point uh on a monument that was created appropriately, your drawing is going to be appropriate. If you happen to pick the wrong monument and that one was not identified properly 50 or 100 years ago, you're going to create a problem. But nobody was here verifying that all of those monuments are good. The plat process does take care of that. Excuse me. We can't record a plat that has these properties and so they tend to incorporate errors um in a fashion that's easy to comprehend. You see them and it'll describe corrections in that PL process. And I I should back up. Um we do allow minor uh lot corrections by Meets and Bounds. So, if two neighbors had meets and bounds properties and uh for whatever reason uh the driveway was too close to the lot line or the wetlands were in the wrong, we have a provision for a minor division of property that would adjust a common lot line. I don't remember if there's a legal distance, a maximum 50 feet or it's a lot. Um current we changed it to be 350 ft um to allow almost um a reconfiguration of a lot rather than a small moving of it um but not the creation of new lots. So no new lot gets created in the process but you can adjust the boundaries and some of those were uh very irregular common lot lines and the new one might have been a single one and I remember in the beginning uh it was debated and we had a relatively small number and I I didn't know what that is but so if you can adjust up to 350 ft that still gives people an opportunity to do things but I know our city attorney is concerned they review the the legal descriptions of these properties and do a title review and if there are issues it it may preclude even that from happening as simply as can be. I'm not convinced that doing a plat is that significantly higher of a cost today than a a surveyor creating a certificate of survey verifying all of the monuments. 20 30 years ago it would have been significantly cheaper but today uh with the methods of surveying that are done and the requirements for meets and bounds with certificates of survey that look like a plat but are meets and bounds descriptions of property. I don't know why anybody would try to avoid the plat process, but this community 10 12 years ago made the decision and didn't give people the opportunity anymore. And that's very common throughout more urban areas regarding the plat. And if you have questions after this on anything, um, I I'm more than happy to answer them. I just want to say our platting process does involve a public hearing. the meetats and bounds procedure um did not by law, but a preliminary plat as you recall with our um uh whether it's a actual site plan review or a conditional use permit or an interim use permit. We have 60 days by state law and we can extend that another 60 or 120 days if there's good reason and we mail notice to the applicant that we have to have the 120 for whatever reason when the when the platting statutes were created in Minnesota the preliminary plat's automatically 120 days but we never take that long uh we generally uh process plat the same way we to um the site plan review or uh the conditional use or interim use permits and that is a checklist of information. Uh when we don't get everything we need, we have to tell them in writing what it is. We have 15 business days to make that determination on all of those requirements, plats, the permits, uh and site plan review. And we have these checklists of information for all of those. The checklist for subdivision information is actually chapter 8 of the city code. So if you've gone on the city website or if you you've gotten your book uh and you look through it, it's not part of the zoning regulations. The zoning section is chapter 7 of the city code. Includes five subsections if I recall. um signs, uh flood plane, shoreland, zoning, and what was I'd have I'd have to go back and look at at my code, but if you're looking for the actual checklist of information that goes for platting a property, it's in the subdivision regulations of the city code, not the zoning. And uh one of the comments that was made here, a subdivision ordinance may uh talk about lot dimensions and things of that nature. Most communities and yours is the same uh has those regulations details for density and and lot sizes, setback information and so forth. That is in chapter 7 in the zoning and the subdivision ordinance. then contains what is the rightway requirement. If you're in a more urban area and you allow alleys or private roadways, what are the minimum widths of of those? What are the sewer and water requirements? You only have the three square mile um freeway corridor that has public utilities, but many of the communities in the metropolitan area, the entire community is sewered and watered and um as um uh drainage facilities. All of those standards are included in that subdivision regulation, not the zoning ordinance. The other thing that platting and your subdivision regulations accommodate are um dedications for certain things. It's it's mandatory that people provide right of way. If you look at this uh Kettle Cove plat, you can see on the preliminary plat the the boundaries that they're showing, but um they're also identifying the corridors where the roads themselves are going to go. And some of those are different based on whose jurisdiction it might be or the function of the road. In our typical rural area, residential roadways require 66 feet. The county has gone pretty much to 100 feet on all of their roads. There are some transition areas where that physical amount of rightway exists. If you have a a a meets and bounds property and there's a road shown on it, uh yeah, this this this one isn't as good. Well, part of if you look at the south half of uh the section map that's in here and it has Hummerous States and it says Blake Drilling on it, you can see various dimensions uh of County Road 23 or Lake Drive in there. People traditionally, unless the county has created a a document by ordinance, which almost all of them have, they will the property owner's legal description runs to the center of the road. And you may experience that yourself on your own residential property. That's very typical because uh Columbus has not platted very many streets in this community, but that is common throughout where the city as a whole plat roads and the document doesn't look like a section map. It's the entire community and it specifies what the physical dimensions are. And part of that reason was to have better control of the rightway for maintaining the ditches and things of that purpose. Plus, some of the individual properties that had their legal description running out to the center of the road may have said uh and necessary easement for drainage. It didn't even specify what that road or road width plus a drainage way what that dimension was. most of them might and they'd say 33 feet or 50 feet from center. And so there's a separate plat process that I didn't give you because we don't do it at the city level. It's well you can do it at city level but the counties have done it um predominantly and that is creating plats of the road rights of way and eliminating city or private ownership out to the center of the road. It allows for better planning. Um, it cleans up for individual parcels that have not only ugly descriptions of property that are cumbersome and may be lacking information about what the road easement was. It'll just say subject to road easement. Others might say subject to 30 ft road easement. That process allows you to clarify it. You technically may own out to the center of the street, but we have whatever it is 33 feet, 50 feet, and that's that's a very unique PL process. I gave you copies of the subdivision regulations from the local authorization standpoint. Yes, go ahead. I do have a question. Um, why do certain surveys, and maybe you know, maybe you don't, some surveys will show the property lines going to that road center and some will show it with it taken away that right ofway. So, I'm just wondering why some surveyors choose to do it one way or the other. I can't answer that. Um because they're they're all different and some are better than others and some are operating on shoestring budgets as their clients are and they don't they don't they don't want to take on the burden of determining uh through a title review process what the answer to that is. And so they may not show that as clearly on the drawings. And that's that's not necessarily um being critical of surveyors. It's just that it is state law. And I started referencing here. This is this is the authorization for cities to do subdivision work. But the platting requirements, I didn't give you that reference, are in um chapter 505 of the state statutes. Those are the the physical requirements that surveyors have to meet. And so it it it isn't dictated by our ordinance that we're not going to accept your certificate of survey because you don't show what that is. That's all specified by state statute. Uh all the surveyors have to be licensed, registered in the state of Minnesota. And you would think that there would be uniformity and everything, but there there isn't. And I'll just say it's most likely due to budgetary issues. Some are extremely more thorough, but if they are creating all that additional information, they got to charge somebody. And there are plenty of areas where people don't want to pay for it. I want the budget. I want the minimum. And and this process of uh county and and cities and townships all have the authority to plat their roads. It's an arduous process. And you are hiring surveyors and attorneys to go through and uh go through all of the meats and bounds descriptions of the properties. Every one that you are trying to plat a road and then you're getting a title opinion from your town or city attorney or county attorney on have we cleared this mess up? If there are discrepancies, the process allows uh political jurisdictions to go through public hearings. You let people say their peace, you go ahead and adopt this, and then they have to take you to court to try and correct something. There's no easy way for anything in life, as you know. Um, but chapter 505 is the statutes that apply to the regulation of platting for the people that draw the plats. It also gives us authority in what we might put in our own subdivision regulations. But this um chapter 462 is the primary area of Minnesota statutes. 357 is zoning and 358 is subdivision. It's those two subsections. if you ever wanted to go and read them. Uh Elellanar copied uh 462 357 at the last meeting on zoning regulation and that tells you about things like um uh the board of appeals and adjustment. It it creates the authority for us to go through and consider variances. It tells us um that we can't exclude certain things in our zoning ordinances. Um group homes, uh things of that nature are are mandatory requirements and certain things. They're they're not our actual ordinance, but they give us the authority to create them. So, chapter 7 of the city code includes those zoning provisions and then chapter eight of the city code includes the subdivision regulations. Those are I I would say the one thing that planning commissioners and certainly park boards do in communities um is look at the need for parks. And I know you have a park board here. I think you're developing a a new park plan and um and I know Janet's been involved in this forever. It's um in the subdivision regulations, the statutory authority, you are allowed to require the subdivider, and here's one right here. It's a residential development. You can also require commercial subdividers to provide a dedication of land for public recreation purpose. They also have to they also have to provide the dedication of the road rights of way. In some areas it may be uh a water line is connecting two subdivisions and they have to provide easements between those two rather than public rightway. And that's all uh established in this 462 358 our subdivision regulations. Um but your requirements for parks have to be uh there has to be this nexus a connection between what it is. Uh, city X may have, well, we're not taking land, but we're going to take cash, and our cash equivalent is $7,800 per unit of housing. that that application does not apply across the board. But that particular community may have 20,000 residents on very tight compact property. And somebody as a part of their park regulations um and their comprehensive plan have identified the connection between the cost of land in that community, the need because of a lot of people in a small confined area and they put a dollar value on it. And so the risk is uh this this has has not been such a problem in the last 10 years, but 20 years ago it was pretty common that people would just go and borrow somebody's ordinance that said that the park dedication was $7,500. And then a a developer came in and said, "Well, you don't need any parks." And they'd take the community to court. And there are lots of court cases. If you don't have that nexus, that reasonleness, the connection between the need, then you you can't take land or money. And so each community had to go through that exercise. Um, this community has not, since I've worked here, taken any land. It's all cash. Your cash requirement still like 1,500 bucks, right? It's gone up. It's gone up with the multi, you know, multi-unit housing. So, it's still just 1500, but it's per unit now. It's per unit rather than a lot, but it's still 1,500 and and it's per property commercially. Well, for for multi-unit, it's or for multi-unit housing, it's per unit of housing. So, we used to be what you said, but we changed that two years ago. Two or three years ago. And we do require it for commercial land as well, but it's about 700. Okay. And and the key is and if you any of you well why are we charging the businesses because you you hear through time that we always try to charge businesses more than whatever. Well, what are they using your park for? uh somebody in the freeway corridor coming up here using the park across the street or are you are you sure if you're charging money and you're collecting it and it was in the name of trails and you're in that business community where are the trails if if if I were one of those and there are lawsuits all over that it's okay we'll pay our share but you know we don't have a trail we're not paying and so you got to be careful about it but that is one of the nicest things for communities that especially that are developing uh growing that there's a a set aside opportunity for land and many of the communities that I worked with over the years uh in looking at their comprehensive plan that became the model for where's our new park going to be and you made a concerted effort to show that park covering about three or four different properties and as each one came in with their own subdivision. You got a piece of that land and it all fits and you created a cost estimate in that uh what the cost of baseball fields, trails, uh playground equipment, whatever was going in there and you had that number. And so for those areas or subdivisions that weren't contributing land, then you had this per unit value that they made that contribution for. Um some communities, you know, had visions for 30, 40 years before their parks were established because they were done that way. And what we all learned uh back in the 70s and 80s, subdivision X came in, it was 20 acres, and you you took a half acre and you and you had a little tot lot. And the next one came in and a half a mile away, you had another tot. None of them were big enough to do anything. None of them were connected. If you tried to build trails to link these things, it would cost a fortune. And so that thought process for park development is an extremely uh important one and how you establish your fees is equally important. And I know 25 years ago here in this community, we talked about it and thought about doing a study. And I just said, if your fee is as low as you have it now, there isn't a builder or a developer that's going to argue because they hear about fees in Lina Lakes or wherever at the 7,000 number and yours is 1,200 or what that they're not going to complain. So you don't have to you don't have to nitpick so much and and really define what those costs are. And in your situation, if you put all your money into that park, at some point in time, you're going to look at uh trying to create u some off-road trail options for people. Uh parks and trails continue uh in in in my lifetime in this business to be one of the essentials uh for people. And in spite of the fact that most of your residents argue that uh we have our own playground on each of our home sites. Well, that's true. But when you do anything else, you need a safe place to whether you're walking or riding a bicycle. And so a lot of communities put a lot of focus on what that cost of trails is. And when you're lucky and you get a two-mile section of batuminous trail in and you got a feather in your hat, about seven or eight years later, you realize you didn't set any money aside to fix that. It's just an ongoing constant thing that you have to keep in your mind. And that's that nexus. You you create a budget for this and that's the relationship and what your fees are. And so I don't think you'll ever get in trouble. And I know the focus has always been in having one nice park here in in in uh right by city hall. That's great. Um but we are seeing some trails. We required it down at uh at the racetrack. Uh the former mayor always used to used to poke fun at me, the trail to nowhere. Uh but that's how they start. They start in one place and then all of a sudden we have some sidewalks that go across this big enormous uh interchange that you finally got built. It doesn't all happen at once and you can't afford to do it at once. So anyway, uh the last thing I'll say about um platting, when you get to the final plat stage, that is a 60-day process. It does not require hearing for final plat. So your your public hearing requires a mailing just like all the other permits. And uh again that's a 120day process. When they have uh submitted a final plat and it addresses all of the requirements of your preliminary plat approval, you have no basis to deny it as long as they've met all of those conditions. And it's kind of unique in this sense because we don't have a preliminary cup and a final cup and they don't get their final until they meet all this. It's a one-step process. And now, as you've discussed with um Loves, um when you have things like landscaping that need to be followed up, that that's a separate issue or process. in the final plat uh the more complicated ones uh developments with sewer and water in them. There are a lot of engineering requirements uh in addition to just planning requirements that were in a preliminary plat approval sometimes road relocations. Um, this Kettle Cove, uh, there was one home on that property. Maybe some of you have noticed or if you know the family, one of the requirements was get the road off of Lake Drive and move it over, move your access to that home from the south. And I know they kind of grossed about it um, in the beginning. It's not an inexpensive thing to do, but it was the right thing to do and they did it. And I'm guessing they find it a lot nicer, especially if it's a foggy night and you're coming home late and you don't want to get rear ended. So the other thing the county works well with us uh in this rural environment. We don't have a lot of streets, but when you want to have several lots in that,000 ft, 1300 ft length of property, uh we require shared access. So, it's not a public street, but there are easements up against the road where the two lots share one common access and that access spacing just diminishes again accidents and things uh that you do have. So, that was a good example. So, I'm going to quit and let you ask any other questions. [Music] Any questions? you'll get more plat. Um, oh, and in in Columbus, the planning commission does not uh make a recommendation on the plat. That's an option one way or another. Uh, some communities uh just the council does it. In this case, when you have a a very specified detailed condition list, it often goes to staff uh engineer uh to make that determination and the council does it and there's no public hearing on that. And the one final thing I I put in writing here, um, if you have a very simple plat, and I would not describe uh, Kettle Cove necessarily as a simple plat, um, because it involves some change in right away and shared access, but there are some, uh, where, you know, maybe two lots um, and you can submit a preliminary plat. We've done three or four of them since I've been here. Excuse me. And in that instance, the planning commission's holding the hearing uh the same way. Um our 15-day administrative review is for both documents. Typically, if if you know that the preliminary plat is correct, creating the final plat is simple. I mean, it's identical. Uh there's a lot of information that needs to go in a preliminary plat, but we uh we allow them to be processed together. It still requires a mailing notice to neighbors. Um and in that instance, the planning commission will make recommendation on both preliminary and the final to the city council. So, that's just a that's a quirk, but that that's a provision in the law. Last thing, I I think I might have said it in writing here on meetats and bounds divisions. Um, it is also state law and this has happened in your community. Um, since the city required plats, if you take a piece of property that is at least 40 acres in size and create two parcels that are at least 20 acres in size and at least 500 ft in width, you cannot require them to plat that. So, you start with something 40 or larger, you end up with nothing less than uh two 20 acre parcels, but somebody might own 60 acres. They can they can get two lots out of that without platting. There's a caveat, and I ran into this in one community, and it was that they didn't have any street frontage, and we recommended denial of that meets and bounds division of property. not that they couldn't overcome our recommendation, but we weren't going to issue a building permit. So, why are you subdividing the property? And ultimately, the city attorney and the in and the county attorney, I don't remember where we were in Scott County or somewhere, uh concluded uh that the record shows that you told them they're not getting a building permit, but you have to you have to let them divide the county will record the property. And it was intended that two kids were going to build houses there and they never did. They they may have gotten access since. This is about 25 years ago. Um I had another one way up north um in Minnesota very similar to that. So even though you had provisions that precluded them from building a home on it, you can't stop the division of the property. That's allowed by law. but your building department isn't going to give them a building permit. And so, you know, does it make sense to do it? Well, if it's if it's splitting up the estate and two kids get the property, then it's up to them to worry about it later. So, anyway, now I will quit. So, any questions? No, but thank you. I remember the kettle cove. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was interesting. Now, um, we will move on to the planning commissioners reports. Um, I will just say I went to the ARPAW grand opening and if you've been in there before and then you go in there now, it is amazing what she has done. I mean, it looked fabulous. And then earlier today, I was at Running Aces for their uh grand opening of their redesign. You're going to be blinded by the TV. Oh my gosh, I've never seen a TV so big. Um, but nice to see. I like it. It's much more open than being up. So, that was great. Anybody else? You want to talk about running a or pause? You went there. Yes. Um the interesting part of the AR paws is they have the surgery centers right in there and you know the care to the animals and they have the visitation room. It's very much customer friendly and the prices for it are almost half of what a normal vet would be and it affords people basically to take care of their animals and I was quite impressed with it and I'm going to volunteer there. And you were at Running Aces. And I was at Running Aces as well today and have frequented their comedy club and I was really impressed with the changes that they had made and the ease of flow to get into things. Now, anybody else, do you have anything? Um, I would just like to state that there are uh there's a fifth week coming up. So, our next meeting will be on May 7th. Uh, not in two weeks. There's an extra week in there where we don't have to have a meeting. And, um, wishing you guys the best. And Jack, do you have anything? The only thing I'd like to add is that Eleanor is the prime staff member that's working on a park master plan. I'm just kind of along just to add a few things here and there. She's getting to the point here where we want to have a presentation probably maybe in June and present that before the planning commission, not for approval, but just to keep you in the loop of what's going on with that. So, we hope to bring that to you here maybe in the June meeting and then have that ready to go maybe to city council in July. So, she's done a great job of making great progress on it. We had a meeting here before the planning commission meeting and uh went over some things with one of the park board members and uh getting some feedback from that. So, we're looking forward to rolling that out. That'll be a great asset in their attempts to get grant funds to help us develop and maintain the parks and uh uh give us a guideline for how we want to proceed further with the trails connections. And I think it'll be a very valuable tool. Ellaner, you have I mean from when you first started to now, you are amazing. It's uh I can remember my first planning commission packet. I was like seriously and just a couple things you forgot, but it wasn't your fault. You were putting together what you thought, but now you are on top of it. and it's really nice to see you grow into your position like you have. So, thank you, Madam Chair. With nothing else, I will look for a motion to adjourn. Miss Robin, I motion that we adjourn. This is Susan. I'll second. Motion's been made and second. I'll call for the vote. Robin I. Susan I. Kim I. And Lynn I. Meeting adjourned at 652. [Music]