[Music] right at 7 o'clock. Uh Mark, can you do roll call? Council member Larson here. Council member Erikson here. Mayor Roberts here. Council member Valento here. Council member Miller here. If you're able, please stand for the pledge. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Uh do we have a motion uh to approve tonight's agenda? Mr. Mayor, uh do you want to make sure there's no other additions or subtra A motion any any additions or subtractions before uh we make a motion to approve the agenda? No. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda for tonight. I'll second. Any other discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. All right. The uh number five awards and presentation section of our agenda. We're having uh Paul Peterson from Lakes Area TV uh give us an overview of the cable overview and council chambers update. Hello Mayor, council. I have to admit I my heart skipped a beat. I've never been that high in the agenda before. So I thought somebody was going to push me down there. So I am just here two different reasons. I was mainly coming here because you guys want some upgrades in your room. And then Jolene suggested since I've kind of met Mark, I've never met Kevin that I just kind of introduce myself and what we do. So I will kind of go fast as I can and then after we'll kind of talk about your chambers. So I am Paul from Lakes Area TV and what I do. I'm the access coordinator. I also create films. I I look for stories to tell around town. My training is 3D animation. I've I've been a graphic designer for many many years. I've probably made a thousand TV commercials for Comcast and Charter and things like that and I just ended up in Forest Lake and got a call from the then mayor and said, "Come run my TV station." So, that's what I do. So, and I love that. I love working here. I love the people I meet here. I love working with Columbus as well. Um, I also manage the equipment. So, I kind of research all the equipment that we buy, what's outdated, what isn't. I I make sure that the system in here is running. You guys might not think I'm doing very good, but I spent a lot of time here making sure it works. So, it's just when you hit go, a thousand things happen. So, it's easy for things to break. And I put in a new system in Columbus. I put in a new one in Scandia. They just have different problems. There's just a lot going on. So, we can talk about that going on. I also put together our annual budget, which is kind of tough. We are We are in the red. We will always be in the red. We are paid by cable subscribers which are going down because of Netflix, Amazon, all these things. And our salary, insurance, and building rental are our main three things and those are always going to go up every year. So every year I have to go find some production work to make up for that to get us out of the red and so far we're fine. This year I needed to make up 9,000. I'm already at about five. So we'll hit that this year as well. And uh and I'm just a liazison. So I I love meeting people in the community. It's what I do. I'm a pretty severe introvert. So, I wouldn't have thought I'd have liked that so much, but I really do enjoy just getting to meet people. Kind of talked about that just with the budget and there's one me there's there's a million stories I'd love to go tell. I have to be pretty selective. When I first got here, I agreed to everything and a lot of things didn't get done. So, I'm getting better at saying no. Got yelled at by my cable commission quite a few times for that. So, I just have to kind of pick and choose which ones we do and how we do them. Fastest way to do them. So, um, I I I gave a presentation last year before you guys were here just on cable t cable access in general. In case you're not familiar with it, I'll go through this is just part of it. We'll go through it quick. It was initially put together in the 80s for government meetings. Cable TV was the only way for people to see government meetings. Since then, YouTube, cell phones, everything, that business model is pretty much gone. We actually with Hannah, she's on our cable commission. We looked at the operating procedures and they're 100% obsolete. None nothing that was written in there pertains to what we do today. So, we're rewriting all those. And so, now we it's more of a a streaming everything. We have four different live stream events. And I I just make a lot of things in the community and and film a lot of things so people can see them. Like our we live stream sports for the school and stuff like our football game last year, home opener, we had 9,000 people watch it live. And so I get comments from all over the country, grandparents, friends thanking us that they get to watch these things that we do. Um, we're on multiple platinum, so we live stream on our website. We also take pretty much every video I make, plus your council meetings, put them on YouTube. We also have a Roku app, an Apple TV app, and a Amazon Fire app. So if you have any of those smart TVs, you can watch us multiple ways, whatever is easiest. Any phone, any device, any anything. I never want somebody to look at something I make and say that looks like cable access. I I hate that. That was a stigmatism that came back way back when. I strive very hard to make my productions look super high-end. I actually got nominated for an Emmy last year. And I'm using actual they're called Netflix certified cameras. I'm using the same cameras that Hollywood uses and they are spectacular. So, and I mean with my commercials I used to make 3D animation. And that's what I did for all these all these TV stations is I'm I can with between my animation and my film making. I can make pretty much anything somebody wants depends on if I have enough time to make it. Uh when I first got here I came to city council asked what they wanted me to do. There was no relationship with the schools at that time. So they said go create a partnership with the high school. I went and introduced myself to Caldwell. He gave me a tour of the school. I said let me build a studio here. He told me I was crazy. two months later called me back and said, "Were you serious?" Took about a year. I built a super cool studio in the high school. I work with students. I work with teachers. We create a lot of stuff there. It's pretty neat. Inside that studio, I built the podcast studio. And so students do some of sometimes they create homework assignments as podcasts. We do we do career launch podcasts where Mike and Molly come in and talk about the cool things that they're doing as teachers. I had students do one in video gaming. Anybody can do anything. I met with Mark when I first got here. He said his last city turned all their city council meetings into podcasts. So, I'm working on that. I'm trying to create a streamline so I can turn it over to my assistant once I figure out the easiest way for her to just take them. Once we put graphics in your meetings, we also upload them to our podcast channel, which is Lakes Area TV. It's on Spotify, iTunes, Apple, Google, iHeart Radio, Pandora. Anywhere you find a podcast, we you can find us. So your meetings very shortly will also be podcasts unless you guys don't want that. And so I also take your meetings on my channel or on my website. You guys link to it. Columbus links to it. I I try to make it so you can find any part of any meeting within a minute either with our website or with YouTube. So if you go there, you can click on the meeting, the agenda pops up on one side, chapter markers pop up on the right. You click anywhere and it jumps right to that part of the meeting. Also, you go to our YouTube channel on the top. Your agenda is at the top. All the chapter markers are in the description. So, either way, you can find whatever you want in any meeting super fast. That took a little bit of work. We're also kind of a digital archive. I like to go film fun stories and tell what's going on in town. And I kind of consider us, that's the archive we're building. We've got thousands of videos between our channel and our social media and our YouTube. So, I just like filming all these things. I get a lot of requests, you know, do you have this graduation from 15 years ago? And we usually have them somewhere. So, and then I just like meeting people in the community. That goes back to that was weird for me, but I actually I enjoy that quite a bit. So, and that's it. I'm open to anybody ever wants me to film something, just call me, email me. I am open to any ideas. I'm smart enough to know I'm never the smartest one in the room. So, I will take on I love to learn stuff. I love to learn new stuff. Being in commercials, every client would ask me to do something. I'd always say, "Oh, my favorite thing to do. I've been doing that forever. No clue how to do it. Go figure out how to do it." And that's what I want. So, you guys have an idea. I'd love to work on it with you. So, that's me. That's Lakes Area TV. Any questions with that? No. But I think a commercial for the possible ATV UTV ordinance would be come in handy on the website. That wouldn't be a bad idea. Do a video on that. A what? Well, on the agenda tonight is possibly passing a ordinance authorizing ATVs, UTVs, and golf carts on city streets. Sure. I think it'd be really cool to have an educational commercial about that should it pass and what people need to do to make that happen. It would be super fun to film something like that, too. Right. So, I got a lot of GoPros and drones we could strap on people, get cool angles and stuff. There are speed limits. Yes. Great. Great. So, that that would be cool. Yeah. And Perfect. That's a perfect example. You know, reach out. I'll come meet with you and we'll figure out, you know, the message you want to get across, who your audience is, and and we'll figure out the best way to tell that story for you. So, I love that. Perfect. So, then part two is you guys want some bigger TVs here. And so, I think Mark was going to hand out, if you guys have that in your hands, I got an estimate from Bloom, who installed this system. They used to be called Tyranny. And we have a service contract with them. When stuff breaks, they come and fix it as part of the contract. So I had them come in for proposal and it was to move these TVs about close to 10 feet forward, maybe eight feet forward, put them on away from the wall so we could tip them towards the audience. And I think the difference was they're like 85 in TVs and if we went to a 90 in it jumped five grand a piece or something. It was kind of ridiculous. And that's why the size of the TV is picked there. as a little backstory for this. So, when the building was first built, the system that was put in this room was just over $90,000. All the TVs, all the computers, all the everything, the system that we run in there. And then it was decided, and this happened before I got here, that Lakes Area TV would buy back the gear that was required for our broadcasts. So, basically everything in that room is mine. And then these monitors, these TVs are the cities. And I ended up, I think we ended up taking three years and we paid the city 65,000 for our part of it. So that's where these come in. I don't know if these fall under your responsibility or mine because it's not really part of my broadcast, but that's I'm open to whatever. So, and that was that was before I got here. I got here and I started making the first payment. So, Thank you. So, uh, so anything additional than not just the TVs? Was there anything with sound audio? I don't think there was anything in that. We're looking at a whole new system in the entire room. And that I'm waiting a couple of years and every time a tech comes out here, I talk to them about it. I'm waiting for a little more automation. So, I work with all of the cable access stations in the state and I go tour. Some of them are spectacular and I just toured Roseville and they just put in an almost fully automated system, but it's not quite there yet to where if somebody can't show up, they can fire it up from somebody's house, control the cameras and everything, but it's a little clunky. And the way cameras are tracking with voice activation, this system should almost be able to run itself. Kind of like the owl cameras. you start talking, that camera cuts to you. And we're a couple years away from that that technology being to that point and being at a nice price point. So that's kind of why I'm holding off on that just a tiny bit. I would hate to put in $70,000 system and then two years go, "Oh, I wish we had done that." So right now, I think your system's running pretty good. I know we it seems like things break now and then them, but I do come in within a day and I schedule a tech as soon as we can and we come in here and make sure it goes back. We had some kind of dirty power issue about six months ago. That's the best way they can describe it and it blew up many things in this room and it took months to kind of fix all that. We sent our main basically brain in there that makes everything talk to itself in and got it completely rebuilt and that did quite a bit for it. So it was just and they said there was like 10 things that went wrong in here and they said the only way that many things could break is if you send inconsistent power to everything. We think that was maybe the lightning storm because we just had texts I spent the day with them upstairs a few weeks ago and half those systems are just melted and nobody had looked at them and they said that's probably from you know a power surge of some sort. So, and I know the city had a lightning storm and lost power for a short period of time. That should not happen. It a generator should kick in within a second. But I mean, they literally opened up boxes and things were clicking and humming and they should be silent and they're like, none of this is working. So, so, so would that account for some of the challenges over the last year or so where staff is trying to do a presentation and there's just that a just that just not connecting correctly? One issue we're having in here is as computers become more and more modern, there's antipiriracy protection in installed that isn't in this system because it's old enough. So if a Mac will almost never run on all your screens because it detects you're shooting it somewhere unsafe and shut they'll turn on for one second and shut them down. That's why we have these weird little analog plugs that switch it from a digital to an analog signal. Still can't fool a Mac, but it'll fool most PCs. So yeah, there's there's weird little issues and it's that's about a $10,000 splitter that you can go in there that basic because we have the copyright protection shut off in the tower. Macs still don't recognize it, but there is a splitter built underneath there. And we I don't know if it's in the desk or in the floor. And so we would have to rewire all these monitors. When you plug it in, three of them stay on, that one stays on, and I think those two stay on, and all the rest of them go off after one second. It's bizarre. So yes, that's could be the challenges. And it's just it's 10 years old. We're updating software. It is that's where we're at. And so we are putting away $10,000 a year out of our budget for that upgrade when it eventually happens. So the money is there when we go do it. You know, depending on how big a system you want to put in, I may need to borrow some again and pay it back over years depending on what we go with. But so that's interesting. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense that we're using cable franchise fees to pay for technology in this building. Uh it is actually quite common. So there's a pretty broad range of things you can use that money for. If people don't understand it, there's a fee on your cable bill that you if you have subscription cable and that can only be used for certain functions and I won't try to list those, but um many cities do, you know, utilize that for their in council chamber systems and generally one of the reasons they do that is because that money can only be used for certain things. Some of it is set aside for capital expenses as to operating expenses. At least some finance directors will tell you that. Some will hedge their bets a little bit. That line is getting fuzzier as the year because every cable station is experiencing what we're experiencing. So those funds are starting to coingle a little bit. They aren't with us. But for most people, we still have them completely separate in our budget. But yeah, there are the balance wise if we can do that if we still have those needs to keep those separate. I I will say too, you know, the entire world of of cable, local access cable is being turned on its head by this whole shift from broadcast cable to streaming. And the legislature is looking at those issues. And I I think at some point it's going to come to a head and someone's going to have to make a hard decision to say, "Okay, streaming services, we're now going to be putting this charge on you or or something. Something has to be figured out." It's just not equitable anymore. Just people like him are really suffering having to try to have a declining income and an increasing expense line like most of us and it's kind of a loophole that Charter Comcast Midco have found. So it was written that they are supposed to share a percentage for cable access TV. Well now it's internet and they're like well it's not specifically written that way and even though that is how basically all of our content is viewed is through the internet. you know, I have smart TV or whatever. I have c I have internet cable at home, you know, so I don't even have the cable anymore and they're putting up wireless towers. They don't advertise cable TV anymore. So, they're Midco is actively trying to get rid of us because they don't want to give us a percentage of their money. There's fairly big lawyers because just or St. Paul and Minneapolis have really big cable stations. They are multi multi-million dollar operations. So, there's legislation at the state capital. I think we just got thrown out of it this year again. Last year we were trying to get into an omnibus bill and at the last minute it got thrown out. It is literally a partyline vote and we don't go through. And so they're trying to figure out ways to get just a percentage of internet dollars. They this year they put forth one based on your population. they would give you this much money and it it was nowhere near enough to cover how how low our funds are, but it was kind of a band-aid to a point because last year they left it the lawyers for cable left it far too open. So the cable stations came in and just basically screamed the sky is falling and the meetings are hilarious to watch. They're like if you pass this no one will be able to afford internet. We will be the end of everything. And so it was so there's people fighting for it. Whether it's going to eventually pass, I don't really know. It doesn't look good. So, and so that's where my productions come in. And and we just we we used to not I I'm not I can't compete with the local production company. That's kind of the rules the cable commission came up with is if somebody else wants the job and they give a better bid, they get it 100%. I don't want to take away work from a local production company of some sort, but they allow me to go bid these and I bid them at a quarter of what anybody would charge to go do them. So, what do we do with this proposal? We bring this back to a future. It'll be it'll bring come back on the next agenda as a consent agenda item if everyone was kind of that was just to kind of introduce you to what it is. Yeah. And so, yeah, we looked at it and it's it's a rewiring. I think the way that it's worded is it expects the city to move the wires to there and then the installer guys would come and actually install the TVs. That'll all be part of a staff report. We'll we'll make sure the details are there for you next time around as long as everyone kind of comfortable with the idea of spending roughly 10 grand on getting bigger TVs and moving them forward and making it just a little bit better for the audience. And I explained to the installer that in a couple years we want to upgrade everything probably. So make sure we're putting in something that goes with whatever new we put in. So yeah, I you know being in those seats there and try to follow a median with us with the current monitors is a challenge at times. So Columbus and Scandia have gigantic TVs on stands they wheel out, but they don't look spectacular wheeling them out. So we're trying to come up with something that looks a little better. There wasn't really a way to make that one bigger. we'd have to start cutting away the ceiling and doing weird stuff. The guy walked in and said, "No, you're not touching that one." So, makes makes sense. Well, uh, Paul, just appreciate your time and everything you do for the community, I would attest on the quality. Uh, and Margaret was in town for the Vietnam Veterans Day and the video, the introduction video that came out, I thought was a national type video and here it was local until I saw local veterans on there. Didn't even realize it. So everything you do is top-notch and we thank you for all your hard work and very fun. I appreciate it. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Next next agenda item is open forum. This an opportunity for anyone to to come up and speak to any issue with the city uh question or concerns. Uh we've tried to limit to three minutes. When you come up just please leave give your name and address. I did have a signup sheet back. Take a look. Oh, okay. All right. All right. Uh, Becky Jacobson. Thanks for inviting us up, Mayor Roberts and Council. Um, we live at 21176 Everton Avenue North. Yeah. And so, it's right next to the the hazardous building on 21164. So, we're we've been fortunate enough to be neighbors to that property for the last 5 years. And, you know, since we've been there, this there's never been anyone there. It's everything's overgrown. When we moved into the place, my focus was on the lake. I never really looked at that side. Then the fall came tree. All the leaves left. I started looking at the bathtub in the backyard and the toilet in the backyard and the open open part of the of the building. There's no wall structure on the back. Um the doors swinging open all the time. And it's just she's I mean you've contacted people about it a few times. Um, and and I got a little bit more concerned once I saw kids started going in there to see what's in there. So, um, because it's obviously a little bit dangerous. Um, and I'm not really sure what's in there other than they reported there were some, uh, animals and other things in there. And there there are a few little out buildings, too, that I have no idea. I'm not going in there. So, I don't know what's in there. We're just kind of hoping for the for the city council to approve the removal of that structure. Great. Thanks for coming tonight. Uh, next, Cindy, Don and Cindy Finch. We were just here on their Okay. For the same reason, we we live at 21183, right across the street from them and right across the street. that house and yes, there's a big wasp fest there and everything else. Now, it's it's quite an isore and we're we're new to the area. So, we were kind of wondering what was happening with that property and and they informed us and they go, "Oh, so we would we would like to see something done to it just to get rid of that building or whatever needs to be done." Great. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Great. Next item, consent agenda. Can we get a motion to approve tonight's consent agenda? I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda as is. Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion or additions? All in favor? I I opposed. Consent agenda pass. All right, we're back to our regular agenda. Uh 8A, purchase of sculptures for the Veterans Memorial. And Dave's going to start, I believe. Yep. Uh thank you, mayor and councel. I put together a a brief update in that staff memo. I'm sure you you read it. There's a lot of words in there, but um what you can get from it is the estimate that came in in February has risen up to um $815,000, but the exact approved project that you guys approved to go forward with actually decreased in price. So, it's good news that we've uh with Boltland Bank finding some duplicity and and some shared costs that we were able to bring some of the project down. But the the main uh raise was the the monument. That'll be a discussion for a different day when uh funds are raised to be able to get that purchase. But, uh mostly the update was that what was approved for plans and specs in February uh came in lower than what was originally uh estimated back in October. with that. Um the plan still is fall construction on these uh on that monument and um we kind of made aware that these medallions and the centuries take three to four months to to get built. We have to order the medallions. They get shipped here. They bring to another contractor who then installs them into the centuries and then they're ready for install. So the hope would be that we could order them now. um get the medallions in, get them get the centuries built, delivered to most likely public works, and then be there ready for uh when construction starts this fall. It's a tight timeline to try to get this done in the fall and and probably ready by the spring for Memorial Day for it to be ready. So, it's one of those things that if we're within budget and we're we're on on on our timeline, it would kind of be the smartest thing to just get these ordered and get them here so when construction does happen this fall, they're ready to go and we're not we're not waiting for them. Uh so, I attached the quotes uh one from Woodland Manufacturing and the other one from Plate Creations. Uh these are the quotes that we're getting originally from the Veterans Memorial Crew uh group. Kyle um has kind of taken over ordering them and taking these quotes and we're kind of trying to not have so many hands in the cookie jar. It's just Bolton Mink running it and we're ordering these pieces and after that Bolton Mink is probably going to just run that project and just so we have one one company doing this. It's just streamlining this a little bit better. So our portion right now will just be buying these with city funds instead of being voted to buy them and then to get them back. So it's one of those we'll just purchase them outside of the contract. You'll see them on the estimate uh lines like I think it's 43 and 45. They'll just get crossed off with that engineers estimate when they put it out for bid as they'll just be purchased. The structure will do the same thing once the veterans memorial crew comes up with with that money. So, so really what I'm looking for tonight is approval uh to purchase the the centuries from Play Creation for $64,238 and the medallions from Woodland Manufacturing for $6,788.15. Great. Um there's a I see a couple members from the memorial committee. You any like to add to that at all? Okay, great. So, I is there a motion? Well, I got a quick question. Where where will we store these once they're fully done received and till the fall? We'll store them at either at public works or at the cell shop somewhere either they mean they're built to be outside. So, whether it's in our our yard at the shop or somewhere, we'll keep them secure, but or maybe even the e-hanger just somewhere. I'm not anticipating a very long storage. If it's three to four months, they'll probably come close to September when construction starts. So, it's probably four to six weeks that we have to hold on to them. Perfect. Well, with that, I'll make I'll make a motion to approve the purchase of the service medallions from Woodland Manufacturing for $6,788.15 and Century Sculptures from Plate Creations for $64,238. Motion is a second. Second. Second by Hannah. Uh any discussion? Any additional discussion on it? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Great. 8B resolution force lake preserve state's third edition. Abby, sorry about that. Get myself ready here. Can you plug it in? So that Thank you, Mayor Roberts. What? So, we should have Paul here. That's That's what we'll do. Next time Jolene's unavailable, we'll call Paul and see if he can help us with this. Um, thank you. Uh, Dan Emmery has applied for a kind of a unique uh application. It's really, in essence, a lot line adjustment between two parcels of property in the city of Forest Lake. One of them, a fiveacre parcel owned by uh um the uh by Bowser, forgive me, I forgot the first the owner's first name. Thank you, Justin Bowser. Um at 18323 Forest Boulevard North. He's looking to sell the property but expand the property to 10 acres. The second property in um that's a part of this request today is a large outlot that was plotted as part of Forest Lake Preserve Estates. So this would be the Forest Lake Preserves Estates third edition. And essentially what they're going to do is combine uh the little box that you see on there, a portion of the big box to make 10 acres into a single parcel. Um it's interesting that this would be admin could be administratively approved per our zoning code, but the challenge is is one of the parcels has been platted that big parcel and the little one is a meats and bounds. It's got kind of the old north by northwest kind of legal description and the county doesn't allow us to change legal descriptions without when there's a meats and bounds. have to plat to be able to make that combination request. So, this has gone to the planning commission as um both in January and in April and they're in favor of this and recommend approval. It does conform to city codes and does not um uh you know, it's in line with what we would allow for a standard request of this nature. So, included tonight for your consideration is a resolution that would conditionally approve. Staff does recommend you move to approve resolution 04282504 included in your packet which would conditionally approve Forest Lake Preserve estates third edition. Um Mela Emmery uh representing the applicant is here if you have any questions for her. Do you have any questions for me? Questions for Abby? Great. Thank you. Great. Any questions for the applicant or the Just one quick I just noticed Abby the recommendation there there's two uh conditions on there that include in that. Yes, those conditions are included in the resolution. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Any other questions? Either Abby or the applicant or the representative for the applicant? Anyone want to make a motion? You wish to speak? videoing. Um, I make a motion to uh accept the resolution 0428-25-04 with the two conditions listed on the on the agenda. We have a motion. We have a second. Second. Motion a second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. 8C. Next item, conditional use permit application, AT&T Cooling Camp Park. And Abby, thank you. Uh, I just want to clarify for the record, it is not actually the consideration of a conditional use permit, but the authorization of a of a permit submitt. So the city has been approached by AT&T their interest in putting a new 100 foot monopole style antenna with a corresponding service area gated service area for it in cooling camp park owned by the city. This type of land use action would require a conditional use permit but because we are the owner they cannot move forward without the council authorizing the submission of an application. Just uh to give you a little bit of background um they have provided some cellular coverage um maps for reference. Everything that's blue shown in on the map on the screen is low to no coverage. Um you can get good coverage outdoors but indoor use starts to decline pretty dramatically. The yellow star is where Cooling Camp Park is. So you can see that much of that northeast corner of Forest Lake is um a low service area for cellular services. With this new antenna um poll, it would increase those the services dramatically for both in building and in vehicle use um based on what their early analysis is. So just giving you a little bit of a before and after and I can zoom in a little bit on these. They were included in your packet. currently up view of Cooling Camp Park without um the facility, but then this is what they would be proposing. Additionally, um from the east, the ball fields and they would propose it kind of tucked back in that far northwest corner. Um this did go before the park and recreation commission earlier this month just for their early input. The park and recreation commission was not opposed to the potential installation in Coolingham Park. Um I think that they look at this as a potential opportunity to maybe help with some revenue for improvements into the parkland system, but also um we've talked internally as staff that a lot of times you can design um park related features into these monopul uh structures including things like bulb field lighting. Those are things that AT&T has indicated that they'd be willing to talk about with us. So, tonight for your consideration is um whether or not the council would like to authorize AT&T to move forward with a conditional use permit request. If that is the case, they would then prepare their materials to be uh to go through the public entitlement process with the planning commission. We'd also work out a lease that would come back before the council. So, you'd you'd see this again. Um but tonight for your consideration is whether or not you would like to authorize them submitting the application. Staff does recommend um you discuss this uh from a staff standpoint from a community and kind of economic development standpoint. There are some definitely benefits not just lease revenue but to the um residents and homeowners in those areas. This could dramatically help improve their communication services, wireless services in that northeast corner of the city. Great. Any initial questions or thoughts on this? Is there any chance of them putting up a poll that's a little less pole looking like? Um, I definitely think that we can uh talk with them about a mask design. Um, I will let you know what the most common is you might know is uh you can make them look like trees, but then you just sit with a 100 foot fake tree. And I've worked in a community that has had one of these and um you know from a distance it's it's there. Uh sometimes those monopoles actually kind of can just you know wash out in the sky a little bit from the singles design versus um all the accutrants that kind of can get added to those monopoles to make it look like a tree. But yes, I think we can talk with them if that's the direction the city would like to go. Yeah, I mean it's just it's I'm not sure that I want a 100 foot palm tree there, but um it just it's really going to stand out. But obviously there's a a significant economic development or service um feature, but it will definitely be noticeable. In charge for that siren removal to that site either, are we? No, they do propose moving the siren. We haven't determined whether or not we would want that moved. um it would allow for us to get rid of one wooden pole in the area. But those are the conversations that we would have with them about the other public benefits that we might be able to achieve through the installation of this private facility. So by approving this tonight, this is just really the start and there's the whole process of the neighborhood being notified and feedback from them and we're not tied to anything by just approving this. We are not. Um the challenge is is uh towers are allowed by conditional use permit in the district. Um conditional use permits are it's essentially a permitted use that we can place conditions on and they are a little bit harder um when you can't necessarily say that there isn't necessarily a public risk. Um, it just kind of can make it a little bit tricky if we started this process and then decided that that was that there was some sort of uh maybe a health, safety, welfare reason we didn't want to see this other than maybe the neighborhood just not liking it. Um, we did kind of talk about the different processes the going forward in terms of having them go through the process and having it conditional upon, you know, the council's approval later, but even for them to just consider submitting that application is really based on this body's desire. Yeah, I think that's an important question you've asked, Blake, and Aby's done a nice job. explaining it. Um, and I think I don't know, Amanda, you have any comments, but as Abby mentioned, it's an allowed use, right? So, private property owner came forward and wanted to do this. It's a permitted use. Remember, a conditional use permit isn't the city gets a choice. It's the city can apply reasonable conditions. So, it's not a something you get to decide I think we like this or I think we don't. It's you can say, well, you know, could we make it a little bit different design or could we put it in at a little bit different location or are there things we can use do to make the project a bit more amendable? But you to just outright deny it would be difficult. Um, and so here, because we're the property owner, the first step we're taking here is to say whether or not we even want to propose this in the first place because once we sort of do, there might be it might be a bit more problematic just is that Abby, were you I I'm sorry. Did you kind of say that they were not would rather not go through that investment of designing this whole thing if they don't? I mean, I think the And you know, AT&T would is hesitant to to do the engineering and design for something that they don't necessarily have maybe some assurances. You know, one thing that if this council is hesitant, you could ask the land owner to hold a public meeting in advance of the application submission to gain some of that public feedback to see if there is, you know, an overwhelming amount of support or opposition. We certainly can provide them with the notification boundary area of those that would be noticed um through the application review process. It's a little uncustomary and it would take some staff time and without necessarily an application submitt this would kind of be staff um you know it take some staff resources but that I think is something that the council could direct staff to work with them on if you want so desired. So when you say the property owners mean the city? Yeah. Either the property owner or the applicant. I would I would say that it would be you know the applicant driven. We could host it here. um they you know it's almost like kind of going through that public notification process in advance of an application submission. It would be very uncustomary, but I think I can sense that the council would like to gain some neighborhood feedback before you made the decision to sub allow the submission of an application. Yeah, if we can't go back on this without the public knowing about it, I' i'd rather see that. I mean, we've had situations where we dug holes in rightaways and guess, you know, you know, it came to that. And so, um, not not to put have to put another step to it, but I'd feel more comfortable with it if at least the neighborhood knew about it because right now, unless they read today's packet, they they have no idea about it. I would guess. Yeah. That's what that's just so what I'm hearing from the council is at least the direction to staff is first off that um no you don't want this submission the application prior to doing some public outreach um by the applicant with assistance from staff. Well, I'm I guess I'm probably the only one that actually said that. I don't know. Thanks for clarifying. I heard it. I'm trying to comment Abby. I was just going to ask if at Culin Cam Park if we were to add lights, let's say the city decided to turn that into a lighted field, Mhm. what process would we go through and do we have to notify the local residents if we're going to do that? Um, I don't believe that there would have been anything in any of our codes anywhere that the installation of lights on a ball field would have required it. Now whether or not this body or the plan parks commission parks and recreation commission would have wanted to do it um you know it's that's so even though it would be a benefit to certain people that use that park if for certain sports and and certain evenings uh there's going to be residents that most likely aren't going to be happy with bunch of lights in their backyard now. They may not be. Okay. All right. Just checking. I I will also just note for the record that the applicant is not proposing lighting. I am just saying that some communities have allowed this when there are benefits to the facility itself. One of the ways is lighting. Is there I don't know if anyone knows this off the top of their head, but just uh from what we've received on current leases, what kind of dollars are we talking about um annually? Yeah. Yeah. So, your honor, council, these can be fairly lucrative for the city. So, you could be looking at somewhere between 40 to $80,000 a year in in lease revenue depending on how the lease negotiation goes. Um, we've done a I've done a few of these in some other cities, so I have I know exactly what the market needs to look like. Um, which is a benefit for the city. Um, and to echo what Abby said, a lot of cities do these in their parks because they do kind of disappear a little bit. Um, and it is a significant over the course of time a significant gener uh revenue generator for the city because what you do is you set set up the uh lease. I'm not giving any secrets away. This is very much what what all savvy cities do. Um, where not only do they have to pay you rent, but for anybody else that they would colllocate on the tower. So when they bring in there there's the big players AT&T, Verizon, um Sprint, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some T-Mobile. Uh but then there are smaller entities uh that are kind of like your secondary market. Boost Mobile I think is one and I I know of a few others that are like kind of the paya the monthly nonsubscription kind. Uh and so they will bring them in as a subtenant and so the leases are written that any subtenants we would be getting a portion of that rent as well. Uh so these can be incredibly lucrative for for a city. Just to follow up, um they are proposing a 30y year lease. So if you're thinking about that 40 to $80,000, there is a pretty committed timeline in which they would be seeking. Just um I would also say that that those dollars don't have to go to parks or doesn't have to go to that park, but that might be some of the public input we want to solicit too. Is do the neighbors feel like There should be some of that revenue set aside for improvements to that part. Right? That might be kind of a mitigating way to say thank you to the neighbors for allowing this thing to be there. Probably don't want to commit the whole of that revenue, but maybe maybe commit to something, not maybe a portion of that revenue every year, but maybe just some improvements to that part something that could be traded there. But I think, you know, when I first looked at this too, I thought, "Oh gosh, people are going to not like cell tower their part." But, you know, in talking with some people on the northeast side, they're no, no, we'll take it because we want the coverage, you know, and I forget how important cell coverage is when you live in a place where you get cell coverage and then you go to somebody's house and they don't have it. In today's world, cell coverage is important. It trumps a lot of things. So again, I was the only one that suggested that, but I don't know if the rest of council would want to do that or just move forward. I just personally I I'd rather move forward. I mean, I think that the benefits outweigh um I mean, we've got salt towers all over and you you see them when they're initially built, but then they just kind of fit into the background like Abby alluded to unless you put up a 100 foot palm tree. Um, which are very noticeable, but kind of fun for kids to spot. Um, but I, you know, I think the economic benefit could be significant and knowing some of the discussions that we've had around budget and specifically funding for parks or other things that we need to do. Um, it's going to be a, you know, a great opportunity that we've been kind of hoping for. And I have to agree with Council Member Ericson. I once it's up and it's been there a little while, I think it'll just kind of blend in with the general landscape of the the area won't be as noticeable. I agree. Yep. I agree. Someone want to make a motion? We're looking for a motion on this. Correct. Yeah. Then I think it would be a motion to authorize AT&T to submit a conditional use permit for a new wireless tower facility in Cooling Camp Park. You can just say so it's moved. How's that? Yeah. I move to authorize AT&T to submit a conditional use permit request for the telecommunications facility in Pell Camp Park. I'll second. Great. Yeah. Any further discussion? I I would add just a little bit. I mean the only hesitancy for me on this would be to Mark's point about getting more feedback from neighborhood about where the funds should go and that I mean but maybe that still can happen at the same time. Yeah. So, um I don't know if you're looking for input. I know there's a motion out there, but I will add that as part of our conditional use permit processes, they do have to hold not only a public hearing, but I think if I remember right, a public meeting in advance as of the hearing, so usually a week or 10 days before. Um, I can also advise AT&T that it's in their best interest to hold a neighborhood meeting in advance of their application submitt. Um, certainly if we hear from the neighborhood, I think that that's when we can certainly start to kind of vet out if there's improvements that they'd like to see that we're kind of working through maybe how we can help soften the improvement, enhance uh entice the neighborhood if possible. I don't know if that's maybe not the best way to phrase it, but do you want me to add a caveat to that motion then for a meeting, possibly a public meeting? Um, I certainly know that we'll have them through the application submitt is whether or not this council wants to require them to host one before their application submitt. Um, I don't think that that's a bad idea given the fact that we are the land owner and there's a little bit of con questionable concern of how well it'll be received by the neighborhood. I would like to add that extra uh item then pending a a public meeting reference that pending a an app an applicant uh held public meeting in advance of application submission. Correct. Thank you kindly. Kind of we're kind of back to we're not really doing this until we have that meeting. Correct. Then that would just require them to have some public outreach beforehand, but it still authorizes them to submit. All right. So, uh, no any other further discussion. I think just make sure we'll have um the revised motion approved by the person who made the second. I'll second. Okay. So, mot no further discussion. Uh, in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. All right. Maybe. But no, just for the record, Mr. Mayor, were you and I as well? Yes. Yep. All right. 8 D. A resolution uh order to correct remove hazardous building at 21164 Everton Avenue. Do you just want to tell me when to advance the slide? Does that work for you? Uh no. Why don't you try plugging in? assumes that I know what slide's coming up next. That's just fine. Is this everybody see it? Good. Thank you, Council. Uh, so we will be talking about two different 463 actions. One for 820 2017 uh street and one for 21164 Everton Avenue. I'll do kind of a summary presentation on the front end. We'll talk about 17th Street. I'll look for some motions and then we'll move into 21164 and then I will look for the motions for the second one. So, just a reminder, a 463 action, as we call it, is a civil action related to a hazardous building. So, we have authority under Minnesota law to uh demand that hazardous buildings either be repaired or removed within the city. Just a quick reminder on how this process works. So the council receives an official report this evening. This is that official report. The documents in your packet and my presentation tonight are con consists of the official report. Um the report includes what uh specifically an inspection from the building official where based on his inspection uh he determined that the building was a hazardous building under the definition provided in the statute. There's a statute that describes how you become a hazardous building. Uh, and the building official conducts an inspection to determine that. So, tonight after we walk through these buildings individually, um, I'm looking for you to approve this resolution and order. And basically what that is is it recognizes the designation of hazardous building by the building official and it tells the property owner, property owner, you have x amount of time to either fix the hazards or demolish the building. Uh and then you give them the time to complete that work. In both cases, we are suggesting that you give the property owners until July 1, which sounds like kind of a long ways away, but that's actually not so far away when you're talking about demolishing a building. So then assuming that council does approve the resolution and order tonight, then um that order is served on the property owner just like a complaint would be in a standard civil litigation suit. Uh they have 20 days to serve an answer to that. uh specifying any facts that they might find in dispute. If they do serve an answer, then we go sort of that traditional litigation route where we go to court and we fight about whether or not the building is actually hazardous. Generally speaking, we don't get responses and answers answers to our orders. Um so then what happens is we go to step four. um where if they do not file an answer but they also do not complete the work by the deadline in this case demolishing these buildings then we would take that resolution and order that you approved tonight we bring it to the court and we ask them for a default judgment. Uh the default judgment is is typically granted. Um occasionally a court will provide additional time to the owner even if they don't show up. Um, but sometimes they just go ahead and sign the order and um and allow the city to do the work immediately. That order is or that or that default judgment is the document that allows us to call the contractors, go onto the property, demolish all of the the stuff, haul away all of the stuff, and then importantly assess all of the costs related to this entire 463 action against the property taxes. Oh, so that was step five. Uh, so step five is the city performs the work in the order. Um, which as I mentioned in this situation is going to be demolishing the buildings. So just a point of clarification, the opportunity to the property owner is they can fix the hazards or they can demolish the building if they do neither. And so it becomes the city's responsibility. We do not fix buildings. We only demolish buildings for the obvious purp. that's that's getting into areas that the city doesn't belong in. Um so just a note on that. And then um so all of the costs are being tracked like right now my work on this presentation um all of the you know legal fees anything associated with this are being build to a specific number. Once we get to the part of the process where we've demolished the building and we have all of these fees uh those will be assessed to their property taxes at the end of the year. So in November, December when you certify unpaid, you know, utility bills and that kind of thing to the county, the these costs will be on there as well and they will be certified to the property. Any questions about the process in general? Okay. So, um, we'll move on to the first property, 8217th Street Southeast. This is a single family residential property. U the owner is Michael McCoy. And uh so on February 25th, the building official did conduct uh an exterior inspection of the home. We he did not go into the home. Some photos um upcoming will show you why he did not need to go into the home to determine that it was a hazardous building. On March 5th, he issued his report, which is attached in your file as exhibit B to the resolution. Um, and a notice of the inspection report and a notice of, excuse me, an copy of the inspection report and a notice of this meeting were sent to the property owner uh via certified mail. So, just to help you understand why he deemed this building a hazardous building, uh, this is a situation where pictures are worth all of the words. So that you can see is obviously not a structurally sound roof. This is a door into the h house where you can see that the um floors are eroding. This is another picture of the home. Again, you can see the structure is starting to cave in. So as I mentioned, a notice was sent to the property owner letting him know that the building has been deemed a hazardous building. He needs to do all the things to bring it to structural integrity and structural soundness or remove the building on or before July 1st of 2025. We did receive a email from the property owner today, this afternoon, uh acknowledging that he had in fact received the notice um and that he recognizes that the cabin has been deteriorating significantly for the last five years. He is going to be working with a contractor to try to um get it demolished. He said he didn't think there would be an opportunity to repair it. Uh so he recognizes that the cabin has been dilapidated for a while. He apologized for that. Um there was some sentimental value and that was part of the reason why he kind of allowed it to maybe deteriorate longer than than he should have. So um in this situation, we don't have any objection from the property owner. He's responded. That's somewhat unusual, frankly, to have an email like this from the property owner, but it's great because hopefully he will go ahead and uh demolish the building. Um, however, if he does not, um, then we will go ahead and assuming council approves, we can move forward with the 463 action. So, the first step in, um, this process is to confirm that the property owner is not present at the meeting. No. Okay. Um, so then I would move to the ne the first motion that I'm looking for councel is a motion to receive the council packet materials and enter those into the record. This is sort of a procedural step, but it's important in the event that we were to ever actually have a litigate of true litigation on one of these files. So I'm looking for that motion on your screen if somebody could do that. Anyone? I'll make I'll make a motion to receive the council packet materials related to 8207th Street including all exhibits into the record. I'll second. Any discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. Okay. Now I am um want to move to the resolution and order. So this is the document that agrees with the uh building officials report officially officially declares the building a hazardous building because that is council authority and then uh ordering the property owner to repair or remove by July 1st. One question that I would have for you all is to confirm that you're comfortable with that July 1 date. um we do need to have a reasonable time and so in the notice of the property owner we we told him we were proposing July 1st but ultimately that date is a council you know discretion item um so assuming that you're okay that that's is that like 60 days I think I'm doing my math right a little over 60 right like 70ish days I think much less than that to actually demolish a whole building might be a little tight um but defer to council on the time frame point of clarification In those pictures, there was a lot of stuff around the building. So, does this action require that not only the building gets tore down, but the whole mess gets cleaned up? Yes. Everything has to be removed from the site. Okay. I mean, I think I'm fine with the 60 days. I trust that if he's making good fa good faith effort, if it's not totally done by then, we're not going to haul them into court or try to take it over. So, I like the July one time frame personally. So then uh I would be looking for a motion to approve and I believe the words are hopefully on your screen. That's the motion I want you to pass. Please do you need that date indicated in there or not? It's already indicated in there. So I just wanted to make sure that you didn't need to amend. Okay. All right. Is there a motion? I'll make a motion to approve resolution and order to correct or remove the hazardous building at 82017 Street Southeast Enforcement. Is there a second? I'll second. Any discussion? discussion. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Okay, moving to the second property. Uh 21164 Everton Avenue. This is also a single family residential property. Uh the owners are Nell Sanford Nelson and Emma K. Hamer. Uh again on February 25th, the interim building official conducted an exterior inspection only of the property. Um, and like the first property, it was evident by the exterior of the building that it was in bad condition and he did not need to go in to confirm that it was hazardous. Uh, March 5th, he issued his building report. And on April 12th, the property owners were ma mailed via certified mail notice of this meeting as well as a copy of the building official report. Again, these are photos that depict the current current as of February 25th uh status of the property. So you can see that the foundation is starting to lean a little bit. And uh this is where there is a very large uh wasp or hornet nest. Uh you can't really tell from this photo so well, but like it's clear that there are things living inside the building as well. Animals. Just general lack of repair. This is some uh boarding up on the on the side. And so that's the you can see that the roof is caving in. There is obviously a giant hole. The property is in no way secure. And then another side to the property. So, as I mentioned, uh the property owner received notice that they have to repair all of these hazardous conditions or remove the building uh again uh on or before July 1st of 2025. We have not heard back from the property owner, but we do have a copy that they received the certified mail because we got the signature back. So, at this point, just confirming that the property owner is not present. So then I would be looking for that motion again to accept all of these documents into the record. I'll make a motion to receive the council pack of materials related to 21164 Everton Avenue, including all exhibits into the record. Do we have a second? Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. And then like the previous one, um, as I mentioned, this is a July 1, uh, timeline to demolish that. We have not heard from the property owners, so I do not know if they will be demolishing this um, removing the building. If they do not, we would be prepared to on July 2nd go out there, do an inspection, confirm that the building is still there, and then, um, you know, immediately file the paperwork with the court to get the default judgment to go in and demolish the building. um time frame on that, we probably have a solid 30 days assuming that you know the property owner doesn't show up of getting an order from the court. 30 45 days depending upon the judge that we get assigned to. Um so realistically uh from a a timeline perspective, it's unlikely that if we have to do the demolishing of the building that we will be able to get in and demolish the building until sometime in August at the earliest. Um, so I just want to make sure that everybody has a fair expectation around the time. Um, and that that's assuming that we don't hear from the property owner one way or the other, right? That timeline would adjust if we heard from them from either perspective. Um, so confirming that you are still okay with the July 1 deadline for this property. I would be looking for the same motion as last time. Anyone interested in making that motion? I'll make a motion to approve resolution in order to correct or remove the hazardous building at 21164 Everton Avenue in Forest Lake. I'll second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. All right. 8F ATV, UTV and golf court golf cart operations. Captain Hanigraph. Good evening, Mayor and City Council. Um, as noted in the staff report, this is the third rendition of the of the ordinances, but we wanted to make sure we got it right and we wanted to make sure there wasn't redundancies that we needed. Um so in the report and the um ordinances for um motion to approve tonight, the only difference is in the ATV UTV and that would be in subsection E permit required. Um the issue with the Minnesota State Statute 169045 as far as um ATVs, UTVs needing to be um registered by permit. Um the Minnesota DNR already registers them for three years, which is similar to what we use for we will use for the golf carts. Um the registration that the DNR um requires for the ATVs and UTVs allows us to make sure that that person um who owns it um the same information that would be for a golf cart. Um so to reduce the redundancy in the regulation if someone has a permit through the DNR for ATV UTV that would suffice in lie of a permit issued by the city which would be required for the golf carts. Um go ahead. Uh also uh the motion to approve the resolution of the ATV UTV map uh is on the packet uh that outlines about as best as we can um where they will be allowed in the city and um where they will not be allowed. That will be posted to the website so it'll be interactive and as the city grows and certain streets are created we can update those maps uh as need be. Quick point on that. Looking at that map, I noticed that there were some private roads that were excluded from the city map, which makes sense. What do we do in those neighborhoods where they might as neighbors allow, you know, are we not policing that area too too aggressively for that sort of stuff or how do we handle that? Uh the private roads I think is those issues that we deal with as they come. If people live on the road and they have a registered um UTV, ATV or golf cart, I think um we kind of let them operate on their own. If there's other people that are going in there that are not from that neighborhood who do not have the right to be on that roadway with that, then we would deal with that as those things come in. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. So, we're going to start with the ordinance and a resolution on this item and then move to golf carts. Correct. Yes. Okay. Uh, so it' be the motion to approve ordinance 751 ATV UTV operations on public streets. Uh, I just a couple comments here real quick. You know, this this has been a a long process and I appreciate the time that staff's put into this going all the way back to retired Captain Weiss, yourself, uh, Captain Hraph and Chief Peterson. So, we appreciate all the work on this. Um but you know this is you know some people are going to be a little bit maybe not happy about this. So if if the complaints are are numerous um this thing can go away just as fast as it's being approved tonight. So I just hope the public's aware of that that we will make sure that um they are being monitored and and safely operated as much as possible. So with that is anyone like to make a motion? I'll move to approve ordinance 751, an ordinance repealing and replacing title 7, section 7106 of the 46 city code relating to the operation of allterrain and utility task vehicles on public streets and amending section 3501 to include associated permit fees. We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Any any further discussion? All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Next, a motion on the resolution. Anyone willing to do that? Mr. Mayor, I'll move to approve resolution 04282501 authorizing summary publication of ordinance 751. Is there motion? We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. We're going to write any feed any additional information on the golf cart part. No, the golf cart is exactly the same as presented last time. Okay. All right. And so just so for clarity there, um the permit process and how long from the public I mean we'll be able to use golf carts. We know about the the UTVs and the ATVs, but how about the inspection process and that on the golf cart? So we've ordered um stickers through Forest Lake Printing um that basically look like a kind of the same concept as a state part state park sticker for your vehicle. Um, as soon as the applications come in, um, we will have, uh, the inspections done. Um, and I would assume as soon as we're getting them in, we should be able to kick them out pretty pretty even, if not the day of, the next day. Okay. And that would be that process would be after they they send the application and, they get contacted, and then they set up a time to bring it the actual vehicle to city hall here. Yes. Okay. Any any additional questions on that part? With that, is anyone want to make a motion on the golf cart? I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 752, uh, the ordinance enacting title 7, chapter 71, section 71.07 of the Forest Lake City Code of ordinances relating to the operation of golf carts on public streets and amending the section 35.01 to include associated permit fees. We have motions. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Well, any further discussion? Just one one quick point. I think it would be uh a good idea to try to work with Paul and maybe make a a commercial about this because it's going to be a big big change and I know he'd do a fantastic job. Great. So, no further discussion. All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Anyone interested in making a motion on the resolution? I'll move to approve resol resolution 04282502 authorizing summary publication of ordinance 752. I'll second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Mr. Mayor, I'll move to approve resolution 04282503 approving the ATV UTV street use map. We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second that. Any further discussion? All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Great. Thanks for all the work on this. Appreciate it. I think I think it's going to be great opportunity for the residents to explore the city and you go to different restaurants and shops and utilize the lake in the winter time. So, thank you for this. All right. 8G noise ordinance. Abby. Thank you, uh, Mayor Roberts. In January of 2024, we adopted our new nuisance ordinance. And when we did that, we repealed current sections or what was existing sections of the city code. Inadvertently, we repealed our noise ordinance. Well, there's some overlap with our new nuisance. Our noise ordinance has some very specific regulations that are kind of unique to Forest Lake times of the day that you can do certain types of things. Um, so what we've done is requested with our legal to u make some minor modifications to that, but tonight for your consideration is a reinstatement of our noise ordinance. Um, essentially we we just want to kind of reinstate those ordinances. So then that way we can help um keep our noise levels under control in the community. So tonight I'd recommend you review the enclosed ordinance and then move to approve ordinance 754 repealing or replacing um city forest lake title 9 chapter 96 section 9605 and re numbering current sections 9605 through 969 and section 36.02 2 as well as then move to approve resolution number 04282505, a resolution authorizing the summary publication of ordinance number 754. That's a mouthful. Yeah, any any questions or discuss discussion on this with that is you wouldn't want to make a motion on and we don't need separate motions. I think you could do them both with one if you'd like. All right, M. Mayor, I'll make an ordinance. I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 754, an ordinance repealing and replacing Forest Lake City Code Title 9, chapter 96, sections 9605, and renumbering current sections 9605 through 9609 and section 362. And also resolution number 04282505 resolution authorizing the summary publication of ordinance number 754. We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Right. Moving right along here. 8H public rightaway ordinance. Abby, thank you. Again, in January of04 when we repealed our nuisance ordinance, we inadvertently repealed some very Forest Lake specific regulations that um indicate when you can obstruct the public right of way for a parade. Um otherwise, obstructions are not allowed, but but we're a parade community and there are times that we will allow people to put out their chairs. Right now, we don't have those regulations in place. We'd like to reinstate those regulations. So again with some minor modifications by legal we have tonight for your consideration ordinance 755. Um and then the corresponding resolution staff would recommend you move to approve those as written in the staff report. Right. Any any questions or comments on that? So this is just re reinstating what was. This is again reinstating what was. Um I think the word tarpulin was was modified that we can still put in a down a chair, a blanket or other improvement um or personal property. But yes, it is almost identical to what the ordinance was in January of 24. Well, knowing that, I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 755, an ordinance amending Forest Lake City Code, Title 9, Chapter 98, Section 9805, General Regulations of the Public Rightways and Lands, and resolution number 04282506, a resolution authorizing the summary publication of ordinance number 755. We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second it. Any further discussion? All in favor I opposed. Motion carries. All right. 8 I Manor Park project and Dave. Yeah. Mayor and council uh earmarked for the uh 2025 CIP in the park dedication fund is Manor Park. This park was built or the playground was instructed in constructed in 2001. Uh so it's getting up to its 25 year uh lifespan. Uh we talked about this last fall and showed you some pictures of how that's kind of falling apart. It's a steel structure that's kind of rubber coated and a lot of the rubber is falling off and it's just and some pieces are falling apart. So u like I said it was earmarked for $125,000. Um the goal was to add in deficiencies that were identified in the um park's master plan which included didn't have swing sets. Um it didn't have a trail to get to the park and it also didn't have u shade. So taking those deficiencies and then factoring in what public works can do versus contracting out. We started at 125,000, worked our way back of getting that playground to get all those deficiencies covered, and we came up with a round number of $75,000. So, we we put out a request for proposal to six different playground uh manufacturers, local distributors of from you name it, every playground that we already have in town. Um to u we gave them we need a 2x two two year to fiveyear set playground set in there a 5 to 12 and a swing set and that were the parameters we gave them 2500 square feet that's the existing container at manor and they were told uh to give two options u bunch of them replied we ended up getting nine responses or nine options back um between myself and Kyle and Kevin Warner we we narrowed that down to seven and presented that to the parks commission uh a couple weeks ago. We went through a lot of work and then I presented it and one of the members said, "I like this one." And they all agreed and then I was done with just like that. So, u uh they're all really great. Um really all great playgrounds. This one just stuck out to all the commission members at the the fish that was in that that main centerpiece. Um, we weren't aiming for a a theme park, but uh, if you look at the the estimate, they basically gave 80 some thousand dollars off in credit. They want to use this as a a display piece to take pictures, to use it for promotional purposes. So, they're local. They wanted to put it in a foresight park and they gave us a pretty big discount. So they had a somewhat unfair advantage that they gave such a deep discount when you know the parameters were 75,000 but unanimously the uh parks commission uh approved spending theund not the not to exceed $125,000 for the project and um selecting that option two that you see attached. So I'm if you have any questions uh I'll take them right now. Otherwise, we're looking for recommendations for two things or approvals for two things. Approval to to spend that 125,000 so public works can start getting the border and starting to to do all that kind of work and getting quotes for the path and the benches and the trees. Uh and the other one was to place an order with play uh recreation so they can start building this playground to be installed in September. Okay. Uh just a couple questions for uh clarification for the public. Whereabouts is this park? So Manor Park is on 213 Street right off of Herrell. Um it's a little neighborhood park. Um there's nothing else around there. So there's a neighborhood there and it's right across the street from Chestnut Creek and probably Chestnut Creek 2 and a future road that'll go through there as well. So it's going to be a very popular park. It's kind of, you know, we we joke that it's going to be called fish park just like dragon, you know, it's we have a dragon park and this will be fish park. So, um we've already anticipated that and are going to um build a a kind of a gravel parking lot to start off with just to have some off- streetet parking because um I don't I think it's going to be widely used as soon it gets opened up. But I think it'll be used as a neighborhood. We'll get a trail connection down hero. I mean there's it's going to be walkable from a lot of different areas. It's seems like it's kind of out in the country right now, but it's it'll be in a very populated area quite soon. And then if it was in the packet, I I apologize, but uh the funding on this, was this the levy dollars or park dedication or where was where is this money coming? Is this coming out of park dedication? Dedication. Okay. Any other any questions for Dave? No, he answered my question just about parking because I mean I know there's really not any off- street parking there now and and there's a vision to have trail connectivity as well. I I think I know that there'll be trails going down Harold the the proposed Harrow that'll get reconstructed once all that development happens. We'll have a trail most likely going from 97 all the way down to 202. Whether or not there's a step coming off of there, you're talking one house. So, it's about 50 ft off of there. We're going to start off with gravel. We don't have that funding to pave it in. I I think we'll see how that goes. But I can envision that at some point you'll have to think that'll hold 10 cars, you know, off the street. So, I think we'll start with that. We'll fill in that ditch and put a culvert in there and fill that in. So, kind of anticipating that we're going to have some some issues there. It's a good problem to have, I guess. Anyone like to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the Manor Park project not to exceed the 2025 funded amount of $125,000. Second. Second. Any any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Thanks, Dave. Oh, sorry. Yeah. So then we're looking for a motion on the the quote from Play Creations. Correct. I'll make a motion to approve purchasing playground equipment from Play Creations for the purchase price of $75,000. I'll second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. All right. 8J uh bid award Northshore Trail and 2025 street pavement maintenance project and Ryan mayor city council in your packets you have the bid results and award recommendation for the Northshore trail and 2025 street pavement maintenance project uh five bids were received at the April 17 publicly opened bid opening obviously much lower than the estimates of the project uh we were able to work with elders to reduce the bond for Northshore slightly over 1.1 million. Um, and then the local uh portion of the project also came under bid. Uh, and the amount budgeted for that still has uh quite a bit of funding left in that the local street project. So, we would work with public works and the contractor to come back to a future meeting to add some potential street lineal feed to that project. uh obtaining you know exact pricing from the contractor and bring that back for consideration in uh other areas in this project area. But tonight, our our main action that we want to bring forth to you is just award the base total bid uh which is by Tuminous Roadways Incorporated in the amount of $4,196,966.95. Um and that would include the streets that you see within your packets on the on the mapping. So with that, I would open that with any questions you might have and go from there. Mr. Mayor, if I might just a couple things. Um, first of all, I think just, uh, you know, great news here on all fronts. Um, to be able to save some some funds here. Um, what what Dave and Ryan and I are going to be talking about over the next few days is just our overall financial picture, not just with the street fund, but as a city. And we'll be reviewing our more global needs. And, uh, we'll bring back some things for you to consider. It's a tough scenario, right? Uh you save some money, you'd like to put that in the bank and save it for a rainy day that we know is coming. Um rain is predicted in the future. And um at the same time, you know, sometimes when you look back and you go, "Ah, prices were good. We should have done this, that, and the other thing." Because now, dog on it, they're back up to where they were. So sometimes this is a time to double down on spending. pains us to do that sometimes when prices are good. Maybe it is time to do that. But um for right now, the action is is to move forward with this, make sure that we lock this bid in. Um and that does need to be a separate consideration. Uh we do need the motion to be only on the merits of this project cannot really consider future projects as part of that motion. So that is why we didn't bring forward anything additional with this. want to make sure that we secure this bid only based on the merits of this bid and then we can consider lots of other stuff down the line. So anything additional with that that's just on the savings on the local but as far as keeping that that bond at that higher price to do more is that are we still contemplating that or not? Not not really. We could I I I would u still have the opportunity to do that if that was the council's direction. I think um given the outlook on debt service across the the board, I think that would be a difficult decision to make here to bond for more than we absolutely need to right now. I think the remaining project uh we sort of cut the scope of you know I think that's enough of a project where we will still get still get if we decided to go with that a year or two from now we can still make up a good good enough price to have a good bond sale on that whether we should do it right now and still bond for that full amount I think it'd be my advice that we be a bit more conservative just given some of the Any other questions or or thoughts? With that, would someone like to make a motion? I'll make a motion that the city award the contract to Tuminous Roadways, Inc. to perform the work scheduled in the base bid in the amount of $4,196,966.95. have a motion in a second. I'll second. Any further discussion? Mr. Mayor, uh council members, my question would be before we do this, uh what protections does the city have uh from these bids going up considerably with change orders or work orders. Um, when we lock in a price for $4 million, what's to keep this contractor from coming back and saying, "Oh, this $100,000 or this $200,000, was it included in the bid?" That's what we pay the man at the end of the day to do is to write a specification that is tight enough for them not to be able to do that. Um what we our plans and specifications are very clear in laying out the scope of work and um you know it's why we don't just go get a couple of quotes and have them write up a sketch on back of a napkin. This is why we do plans and specifications and you ever seen Ryan's specifications they're realistic. They have general conditions that contractors sign on to that are very um very specific and very uh tight. It doesn't mean a change order doesn't come along. change orders would be for is changes in scope. So we decide we're going to add another street or widen the road by two feet or those type of things that are material. Um there are some things in the contract you know force majour that sort of out of control of either the contractor or the city things in the world that happen um that could affect that price. Anytime though we have a change order in front of us it'll be our choice to move in that direction or not. at any point we can say we just can't absorb that cost. Let's shut her down. Let's shrink the scope. So you always have an opportunity to stay within that budget. Um I think that you know change orders uh tend to get a bad name. Sometimes you know in the public realm people think of them as you know sneaky things the contractor does to pump up the price. I assure you that Ryan's firm is going to be looking out for us in that regard that there will be none of that and chambers that come before you be legitimate changes in scope of work. Sometimes it's you know get to a point all the soil warnings say that's good over here all sudden just by happen stance you missed a spot with the soil warnings that's complete mush that's not the contractor's fault that's not our fault change over time right so there is that possibility that that dollar amount does go up Ryan's firm also does a nice job I think of building into our budgeting process some contingencies for that. Certainly that's not something we look to spend but is there to make sure that we're got a cushion the budget bond I think does include some contingencies as well so that we have enough bonded for as well. So not just in our general budget but in the bond as well. Thank you. Right. I we have a motion and a second I believe. Right. Uh any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Right. It looks like we does we don't have anything under discussion here, so we'll go uh with staff updates and Abby, we'll start with you. Um thank you. Just as a reminder, uh we don't have a full-time planner, but our interimm services start tomorrow, Madison Richard. So, if you guys are ever around city hall, feel free to stop in and introduce herself. Um, she will be supported by Nathan first. So, we might see a few new faces every now and then. Definitely maybe some new face names on staff reports. Um, but I would imagine Madison will be here well through the summer to help make sure that we can get a stable services and once we get all staffed up. Uh, just want to thank you again tonight for authorizing the release of that planning manager position. We're going to get that posted right away. And then lastly, I really um excited to announce that Forest Lake Ford has agreed to be a co-sponsor of Arts in the Park. They are contri um making a sizable contribution to the program that will cover almost all of the musical act costs. It's about a 50/50 partnership between the city and Forest Lake Board. So, we'll bring that donation back before you and start some press release on that. But it is um to the best of my knowledge the first time that we've actually found an outside sponsor to commit to um really helping provide that programming to the community. So that's great. Chief Peterson. Yeah. Mayor and city council members. No updates this evening. Chief Newman. Mayor and city council. Just one update. Even though we've had uh rain over the last week, we are still under burn restrictions for Washington County and Enoka County. Uh I would expect in the next couple weeks they'll lift those restrictions, but it at this time we are not issuing burn permits. Anything else tonight, Captain Hannigraph? No, sir. Dave, uh no updates. Amanda. Yes, your honor. Council, um, in the spirit of the 463 actions that have been going on tonight, just an update on the 463 action that you approved last November. If you recall, that was for 23620 Jensen Avenue um, property. And that one he had until April 30th, which is Wednesday, uh, to either repair or demolish the building. That one's a little bit unique. the garage had burned off the house. Um, there was definitely damage to the property, although there was the opinion by the building official that if somebody were to get in there and do some work, you potentially could actually repair that building versus just demolishing that building. And let's separate out the 463 action from ongoing code enforcement because there is also additional ongoing code enforcement with um exterior storage uh junk garbage etc. That is ongoing as well. Um but that's separate from this 463 action. Uh the in that situation the property went into foreclosure while we were doing the 463 action. Unfortunately, the lender postponed their sheriff sale twice. So, they just had it in March, end of March. The problem with that is it puts him in the six-month redemption period. The mortgage company, I have been in contact with them this entire time. They want to they want the opportunity to try to fix the property. Um, but that makes it very difficult because they won't be able to get in to fix the property hypothetically until after the six-month redemption period. Plus, assuming that the individual would still be living at that property after the six months, which is possible because living there for, you know, free for for the six month of the redemption period, then they have to go through an eviction process to actually evict the individual. Uh, so that could very likely be another two to three months depending upon the court process, potentially more, potentially longer. So that's a 9-month window, which in reality would kick us into sometime late fall to be able to get in there and um and do something or excuse me, to allow the lender to get in there to be able to do something. Um, the lender has indicated that they will likely file an answer. um were, you know, were I to move forward with filing this complaint in in court. Um although we've talked at the staff level and we do feel like we need to take that next step of at least filing the complaint, forcing the mortgage company to come to the table and potentially they aren't utilizing all of the tools at their disposal. For example, one of the things that lenders can do is pay somebody money to leave the property. And so in this situation, that might be a very good use of resources. I have had a conversation about that exact thing with the lender's real estate agent and she agrees and was going to be pushing on it from her her position of um influence as well. Uh so all of that to say uh we know that the pro the neighbors have been incredibly patient with this particular property. April 30th is the general is the property owner's timeline to have done something. Not based on all evidence to date. Nothing has been done. On May 1st, there will be or you know May 1st or 2nd, there will be an inspection of the property to confirm that it's still in the same or similar condition. And then next week, I will move forward with filing the complaint unless I hear something different from the council tonight, but I'm seeing some head nods. Um and then move forward with a little bit more um intentional conversation with the lender around the nine month process really is too long. You didn't need to extend them the share of sale multiple times. You've kind of made the situation that you're in. So, let's come to a conclusion that can be in the best interest of the city and that the neighbors and and frankly the lender at some point. So, that's my update on that property. Do you have any questions or comments or you uh don't want me to plan on filing this complaint in court in about a week and a half? Do it. Okay. And and thank you for trying to move them forward on that. This neighborhood has waited way too long for something to happen here. So, uh however we can help expedite that would be great. Okay. Yeah. And that was I've been working with with Mark and Abby on that and and um and will continue to do so. And I do know that Abby is also working on the um junk stuff abatement that's just sort of ongoing and is going to be ongoing because I think as we're removing things things are getting added Abby. So any any additional on that like is like are we on site here this week or uh we'll be on site next week. We've just been scheduling it with the um removal company. Part of the challenge just is is they do have to store any personal property that is removed and um if you remember the uh photos of the property, there's a lot of personal property. So, it's kind of coming in waves. Um the first priority is always to remove trash um to reduce any sort of vermin, but that is going to be just kind of systematic. Um the trash removal company or the junk removal company has requested a police presence. So, we just needed to figure out a date that works for them for our uh police department and then also just to provide a new courtesy notice to the owner that we will be on property that you know next week. So, um we are working on it. It these aren't fastm moving processes at all though. Um so, any any additional costs like that at having police is that that's a tally that goes to assess the property eventually. Yeah, your honor, councel. Yes. So that should all be tracked and anything that is related to a code enforcement matter in this particular situation in particular um should be tracked and yes can be assessed and that is something that um Abby and I have been talking about and uh in terms of we have to kind of monitor when we've got one of these in a foreclosure process where we want the the opportunity to get paid at the table up closing and not once there's a new property owner in because sometimes they can get real angry when they for whatever reason don't know that there's a say4 $50,000 bill from the city that needs to be paid. Um and on some of these 463 actions it absolutely gets up to that amount when you're demoing a house uh or more. Um so yes, everything that you know I we're we're cautious about everything being allocated that can be build back. Great. And I think it's just important with this this delay that the the neighbors are experiencing that they see something happening on the property probably help their patience level on this. So anything else in Mark? Uh what Mr. Mayor and council what was laid in front of you here was our Friday update on Monday. Uh apologize for that. Everyone got their stuff to me on time. It's my fault. Uh didn't get out. So, um, this is a little bit more robust, uh, update from the public works and, uh, police and so on and community development. Um, I'll let you read through at your leisure, but, um, just a couple of things to note. Uh, you the finance director position. We had a first deadline for a first review. Uh, we do have four applicants. We had a chance to look through those resumes today. you know, some interesting candidates and we'll take a deeper dive on on their background and see if one or two of them are a fit for an interview. Um, and we'll keep you updated on that process and um kind of go through that process together here. the classification and compensation study. We did get a number of uh proposals back and um staff is evaluating those trying to lead through some of those and get to group of those that we can um again check references on and do some backgrounding on make sure that we have um some qualified proposals. I will note that you know I think we had 12 or 13 of those. Many of them for were from out of state with no relevant experience in municipal world in Minnesota. But we do also have a number of respondents that did have that expertise. So I do think we'll have a a couple of proposals to to go from and at a reasonable price. I think we'll be under that $30,000 range. So I think that's about what we budgeted and I think we're in a good spot to to get that done. So the other good news is that they all said that they could do it on on time. That was a concern. We weren't able to get this done in time to, you know, start looking at contracts and that kind of stuff impacting So, um, speaking of contracts, we were able to reach an agree, a tenative agreement, um, with MATE, um, our union, our silver management folks, and, um, that was last week, Monday, and so I want to thank them for a nice negotiation. I think we came to the table with some good ideas, reached a nice agreement that we bring to the next council meeting. So, I also attended the Metro Inet um, quarterly board meeting. Uh, that was my first goal of that. for slate person. I just put on a different hat. I used to attend those as a senator senator from time to time as well. Um just highlights from their meeting was that uh they did a class comp study a couple years ago and have kind of been updating that on a annual basis which I think is an interesting tactic that we may want to look at kind of a refresher for a couple thousand bucks each year. You kind of get the person that the firm that did your study can just kind of reup that information pretty easily. Um and so they've been kind of doing that for two years now. Um the news came back that you know everything is good. They're still within market. So they're giving their staff a 3% cost of living adjustment and um again found that they're within market conditions. Uh they did end the year $250,000 under budget and um have a preliminary look at their expenses going forward as a 6% increase. That does not necessarily mean there'll be a 6% increase in our dues or membership fees. Um that's just on the expense side. We think our revenues are going up as well. So we're hopeful that we can um find a way to keep that increase at a at a modest level. So that's um from that meeting and then just a couple of communications things. Um this you'll note is getting a little bit longer each time. Um I think the next time this is in front of you it will be significantly longer and a little bit more of uh you know I gave Dave a little hint about you provided some nice little photos. So hopefully we'll make this a little bit more readable so you don't have a Bible in front of you every time that you have to sip through. Um and just I want it to be a bit more um visually pleasing and public facing I'll call it. And at some point this will become a bit more of a public update as well as an update to the council. And that's my goal is to make it an update that everybody can read whether it's staff whether it's the public make sure that we're public facing and as transparent to people and communicative to our residents as possible and hopefully without too much additional work from staff. We're just going to be pivoting what we already kind of do into a little bit more of a readable version hopefully. Um then one little initiative and it's I know it's a small thing but I just want to let you know that we are taking some steps to again make communications better. We did a an audit of the website. Each department kind of went through the website, their own portion of the website, just looking for little stuff. I was picking on the police department that it still said we had a K9 unit. I think we haven't had one for what, a decade or better. You know, the the website was a bit outdated, right? And that that was one of those points to me that, oh gosh, we haven't looked at this in a while, right? And it's easy to do because if people don't call and complain about it, it's out there and why would you look at update it? But we're going to try to do a little bit more of that intentional make sure that that information is fresh. You know, an outdated website, you might as well not have a website, right? If that information isn't fresh and new and accurate, you know, then it's it's a waste of our money to have a website. Folks really websites to have that information that's timely. So, um again, it's a small thing. Um but I just wanted to have you guys understand that we're doing some of that stuff to make all of our communications a little bit better incrementally here. Some of these things are going to take baby steps until we get fully staffed up, but we'll we're making progress. I want you to know that we're making some forward progress. That's all I had for tonight. Ryan, anything else for us this evening? Nothing in addition. Council member Larson, nothing to add. Thank you. Council member Ericson, no updates. Council member Miller, uh, nothing from me. Council member um I watched the second parks and recreation commission meeting online which was great and then I attended the cable commission meeting which since last year we have three new members out of a four member commission. And so our last meeting was um the first meeting with a new city of um with a new city council member from city of Columbus and then a forest lake community member. So that was pretty exciting. Um it went well and so our next meeting is going to be the end of June. Great. I don't have a whole lot. Um we are we're still looking for planning commission members. Uh correct. I think we're too short. Yes. Correct. So if anyone on the public is interested, we really need that. It's an important commission. Uh other than that, um like to thank Nick Vanelli and Ken Roberts for their service to the city. They're moving on to new opportunities. So, thank you for their service and thank you to everyone tonight for a great meeting. It's nice to get some things done and appreciate everyone's time. So, with that, uh, with no business coming forward, I'll journ the meeting. [Music]