[Music] minutes after 7:00 we'll call the meet into order Canen would you do the role please absolutely thank you commissioner LaRon here commiss wager here commiss Steeler here commissioner young here commissioner sender here commissioner Miller is absent chair Gerard here thank you thank you we're asking for able please stand and join us for the Pledge of Allegiance States indice before we get started um I would just like to extend uh on behalf of the Planning Commission our congratulations to commissioner Larson down there who will be joining the city council in January congratulations thank you chairman as well as my constituents as well than you and to the other Planning Commission members who ran there will be an appointment in January or February I encourage you to apply so with that the chair is looking for a motion to approve the agenda as presented or would change changes as needed Mr chair I would make the motion to approve the agenda as as stated second I have a motion and a second it's a non-debatable motion all those in FA in favor signify by saying I I I opposed extensions motion carries we have a new agenda item tonight we have an open form if anyone wishes to uh speak uh at this time um professor personal opinion for any type of business we ask you limit your uh comments to 3 minutes and you have to sign that front table book which is I guess it's the back table um so if anyone wishes to speak to that now is the open form time I don't see a mad rush coming forward so we'll move on to uh item six a consent agenda uh consent agenda consideration is one item a approv meeting minutes from the regular meeting of October 23 2024 chair is looking for a motion all motion I have a motion do I have a second I'll second it I have a motion in a second any discussion Mr chair just to clarify a motion to approve correct any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify for saying I I I opposed extensions here one AB exstension our regular agenda action item it's a public hearing for conditional use permit and site plan review for the Met Council sanitary sewer lift station at 20981 Forest Road North resolution number 11-13 d24 d01 and resolution number 11-13 d24 d02 uh this is a public hearing the way this will work this evening the staff will present the application as they understand it the Planning Commission members will ask any questions that they may have we will then ask the applicant if they would like to add anything we may possibly have questions for the applicant after that we will host a public hearing I'll give further directions at that point once we close the public hearing it'll be come back to the Planning Commission for final decisions so with that I believe Ken you're presenting I am Mr chair thank you as you introduced for this uh application or applications for this item tonight of consideration of a conditional use permit site plan approval for the property at 20981 Forest Road put that up on the screen it's this Square here it's a currently a sanitary sewer lift station operate operated by MCE Metropolitan Council environmental services that are the ones that run the sewage system for the seven County Metro Area they've requested a condition City approval of conditional use permit and site plan approval because they're going to be making some changes to the property and this is a survey of the current conditions there is a you know that doesn't do very well so let's get a better image scroll through here there is so it is sanitary sewer LIF station this is what it looks like now lift stations take sewage and as you can imagine they lift them or pump them pump the sewage Downstream and in this case this sewer line goes all the way through Hugo wiper Lake and eventually to the pigai plant in St Paul the city is re and the applicants now are requesting to make some changes to the site so they have a portable generator this is where they can get into the lower operating facilities and part of the reason for requests is their some of their underground equipment is getting worn out and rusted as shown on the screen I'm going to get to the site plan that gives us a little more so again this is oops this is the survey of the existing facility a little enlarged uh with concrete and concrete there the proposal is to add a enclosed equipment structure this is an enlargement of that to bring some or all of their underground equipment up above grade an enclosed secure facility while upgrading their electrical systems to run the pumps and the what the lift station does this again this is what the plan will look like or what the site will look like here when it's done there will be enclosure building here a standby generator here and then more Paving in between the two why we were at the commission this evening is as far as I could tell in the City Records the city had never issued a conditional use permit for this property for this facility or for any facility city code requires a conditional use permit for essential services and government buildings and it was staff's opinion that this fell into that category and because they are making changes to the site itself above ground and it is an industrial zoning District we're also considering the site plan review this evening so I outlined in the report criteria we have in the city code for conditional use permits and very succinctly this facility by making the improvements they're proposing uh meets all those criteria in fact I could say or I think everybody would agree that with with the proposed improvements will will ensure the safe and consistent operation of the sewer lift station which is vital to the city sanary sewer system that's really the conditioning this permit I view is a so the whole thing is somewhat of a formality but here we are the proposed building will look very similar to this again for the equipment to be inside it's 12T by 20t and about 10t tall with a flat rope uh it's because of the location again we're here there's nothing around it as far as buildings there's the new PGA building across the street and in my mind it looks just like an well it is an oversized equipment building like you might see on a Boulevard or even a on a commercial industrial site so really I have no issues with the design or the building itself the one thing it has come up with the review as part of the site plan review are the setbacks that are proposed the code requires and this is on page three of the report which is been page 10 of your packet the rear setback here to be 20 ft for a building and it's proposed at about 12 the Southside setback is shown at about 7 feet and it's required to be at 10 and the parking or drive aisle again is shown at about 7 ft along here here and that's required to be a 10 I spoke to the project engineer from Brown and Caldwell about this when I was writing the report and they were confident they could make those changes to shift the building and the parking to meet those setback requirements there is no exterior lighting proposed other than uh a Pack Light here on the side of the building so there shouldn't be any effects negative effects on any of the property the site itself will have some in but they are proposing to keep the trees that are there and try not to disturb them there's one in this location uh no signage proposed the driveway itself here does not change going up to Forest Road all that said the staff or the code requirements for site plan approval I've outlined on again on P4 of the report page 11 of your packet and this proposal meets all those requirements Watershed District reviewed this and because of the limited amount of site improve or site disturbance they are not requiring a permit our city staff reviewed it and the only comment we' received was from our building department about the need for building permits which would be the case for any project we had the neighborhood meeting back on October 16th and we had no one attend so we got to talk for an hour that was great uh so summarize staff finds that this proposal meets our findings required findings for conditional use permit With The Changes outlined in the report for the site plan the site plan will meet our requirements for site plan approval so you have two recommendations for your consideration this evening bottom of page 12 first one is the adopt the resolution for the conditional use permit that's we're recommending to seven conditions and then your second request or action to consider is the second resolution for site plan approval and that's subject to 12 conditions are included probably the biggest or most important condition in both of those is the applicant revising the site plan to meet all the setback requirements with that there are three Representatives here that can speak to the application more questions Ben and John and Bert and no particular order and with that I'll stop take questions any questions for staff two um K would you would you have an objection to um stating in section in point one of each of the two resolutions um that the um all normally required setbacks shall be met for the building and parking lot I if I may Mr chair uh I've added that as a condition in both I'm looking for it and I missed it three 3C at the top of page 13 y three I've got the requirements of city engineer Public Works director oh prior to any 3C on 3C the top one that one right there the first second page of the okay okay thank you and then it's also in the the top of page 14 which is 9A page thank you thank you I apologize I missed that and my second question is for the City attorney um in the olden days um if we were to take an action that action had to be listed on the agenda as an action item and on our agenda tonight I see the public hearing but I don't see a sec a a a b that says action regarding are we cool to take action tonight and as I said that in the olden days if we were to take an action that had to be specifically listed on our agenda and and I understand that that may have changed as part of the open meeting law yes so uh thank you um your honor commissioner yes you based on the language that is in your agenda you are free to take the actions that uh Mr Roberts is asking you to take this evening for a regularly scheduled meeting the agenda rules are different than if you are under a special meeting or an emergency meeting so as long as the agenda identifies uh the topic that's being you know the the topic that's being addressed and with some um ability for the public to understand what's going to be happening that's fine um in a special meeting or an emergency meeting you need to be more specific about what you're going to do does that provide Clarity yep thank you other questions for staff he know would the applicant like to add anything to the conversation we ask if you do please step up state your name and address for the record please uh hello John hening I'm an engineer with the Met Council 3565 kbec Drive e um Mr chair we've read staff report and we agree with it uh staff has been great to work with and and that's the only comment we have but we're here if you have questions we have any questions to staff I'm sorry the applicant we already asked if we had staff we appreciate you coming tonight though stay tuned we may have some later for you thank you thank you it's good to hear that staff was easy to work with yeah we try well all right this is the public hearing wait us will work tonight uh as we'll open the public hearing we'll ask anyone if they'd like to speak to this issue we ask that you come to the elector and state your name and address for the record spend a couple minutes telling us about the application and your thoughts once we have heard from everyone we will close the public hearing uh and then we'll bring it back for action on uh from the Commissioners so at that we'll open a public hearing at 7:18 p.m. does anyone wish to speak his application uh that's the second time since my first time wasn't very clear does anyone wish to speak to this application Ken we have any uh thing to be read in or is there anyone online who would like to speak to this application uh Mr chair no and no very good I'll ask one more time if anyone wishes to speak to this application seeing no one come forward we will close the public hearing at 7:19 p.m. Commissioners what's your pleasure before we okay we do need two motions tonight one for each of the resolutions the Planning Commission is the final on this um so that's what a recommendation will be for the final and it won't be a recommendation the city council it'll be just a final so with that further discussion questions comments motions Susan Mr chair I move approval of let me find the exact language so that I'm I'm solid here page 12 page 12 well or page I'm not I'm not seeing page numbers here um on the agenda yes page 12 all right it's a Mr I move that the Planning Commission adopt resolution 11-13 d241 to approve the conditional use permit for the Met met Council Environmental Services sanitary sewer lift station located at 20981 Forest Road North subject to conditions one through 7 I have a motion do I have a second I'll second it I have a second any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed extensions motion carries unanimous chair is looking for a motion for Part B of this Mr chair I move that we recommend the alling commission adopt resolution at 20981 Forest Road North subject to conditions 1 through 12 I have a motion do I have a second second I have a motion in a second any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed abstentions motion carries unanimous good luck with your project it looks like a snazzy building so uh everything's always an improvement whenever we get an improvement we're happy so thanks for coming tonight appreciate it thanks guys thank you we're going to see if this technology works now so tonight our um number item number eight is a discussion on the Canabis zoning regulations making the presentation tonight will be Amanda Johnson she's our City attorney um Miss Johnson I have to tell you I run a little less formal I use first names up here how would you like to be addressed Attorney Johnson call me you can call me Amanda are you going to go through sections and want comments throughout or do you want to give the whole nine yard and then come back to it uh so I have it set up um I don't do anything you're plug in well I might have to Pivot please hold we can get Jill let me try this guy we got time I am um I'm I'm very short so if I sit back there then I'm behind the that big screen you can't see me very good I feel your pain quiet at the end is it showing up on your on there now it's not it's not do you want me to ask Jill she knows I can come over there we don't need to waste the time sh okay want you yeah um well I have a adapter that's good it's kind of come to an end for a while I'm it's a little chilly and windy I think there's a place that go out there I'm not I'm not willing to put on the gloves in the my season are excellent okay are you all seeing something on a screen yes ma'am yes perfect um so I can be on the record so good evening Planning Commission as we already established I'm Amanda Johnson the City attorney and tonight um for this topic the agenda is I'm going to quickly go through the Cannabis legislation summary I think that will be helpful for you to understand the city's role um we'll talk about what the current city uh ordinances are relating to to cannabis right now what we've received so far from direction from the council that will help you understand why the words of the ordinance are what they are and then we'll walk through the proposed ordinance itself that's where I will be looking for feedback and I really want that to be whatever your opinion is on each slide I'll have opport unities for you to give me feedback um the the plan is to bring this um proposed ordinance along with your feedback to the Council on the 25th for consideration uh this does need to be passed by the end of this year okay so real quick a history of the Cannabis legislation in Minnesota in 2022 the state um authorized or legalized the sell of hemp uh derived cannaboids so those are what we now are calling the the Edibles law uh most the most common um item that came out of that is the THC beverages um but it also allows Edibles and some topical ointments importantly um the 2022 legislation uh limited the amount of um THC in your serving and so some people have kind of referred to this as uh lower potency um THC product these are just examples of what the products that were legalized in 2020 2022 look like in 2023 and then modified slightly in 2024 the state legalized marijuana products so that is the Cannabis they legalized recreational use they created the Office of cannabis management that's a new State uh office that oversees cannabis as part of the the statute the act the laws that they put forth it limited the role of local government in terms of what um restrictions or just regulations uh municipalities can have over cannabis businesses it reduced criminal penalties it did make marijuana no longer a schedule one uh controlled substance for the state it is important to note however that federally it is still a schedule one uh controlled substance the office uh the the statute also created uh two different types of licenses so or licens es really um just your standard applicants and then something called a social Equity applicant and to be a social Equity applicant you had to check a variety of boxes um so it was targeting individuals who had been disproportionately affected by the criminalization of the previous criminalization of marijuana so if you had a a like a a marijuana related conviction in your past that was kind of like a check and you want checks in this situation if you live in an area that had a large percentage of people who were convicted of marijuana related crimes that you got to check for if a member of your family um was convicted of one of those crimes and what that does is it puts you into a different bucket that allows you to get um frontof the line access to licenses to business licenses and it also puts you into grant programs and Business Development um programs that are strictly available to social Equity applicants uh so the these are just some examples of the products that were allowed legalized in 2023 there were some modifications in 2024 but frankly nothing real substantial uh from the perspective of you know didn't change what was made legal so let's talk quickly about the Cannabis businesses that um in your packet I provided a summary of the different types of cannabis businesses and obviously we'll get into the meat of that when we're talking about the ordinance itself um but we have a cannabis micro bus and meso business those are businesses that are able to do essentially every aspect of of cannabis business so they can cultivate the Cannabis they can manufacture the Cannabis they can um sell the Cannabis they can um allow for on-site consumption of the Cannabis they are the micr brewery for cannabis essentially um a cannabis cultivator they're The Growers in Minnesota so far it appears as though they're likely going to be overwhelmingly indoor cultivation for the obvious reason that we do not have a long growing season uh marijuana requires about a four Monon grow cycle uh so it from a financial perspective it doesn't make a lot of sense to grow PL you know to grow a plant um for a year- round business if you only have four months to grow it uh cannabis manufacturing is what it sounds like you're taking the plant and you're turning it into some sort of a consumable product so uh if you're talking about um and I feel like I should mention I know all of this because of my job I have an alarming amount of cannabis knowledge um so don't don't let to be off-putting but it's I have to for what I'm doing so you're going to blaze them right here is that what you're telling us I do have samples that I brought I thought that would be helpful we'll get to that that's later um so so the manufacturers is going to turn it into a product that's going to be anything from just drying the you know the bud and the flowers to be able to smoke it to to compressing it turning it into some sort of an oil um turning it into a a baked good or even more scientific manufacturing that's going to turn it into some sort of like a a gummy or something some other edible product and there's the Vapes were back there with the oil and the um yeah so we have got that the retailer is exactly what it sounds like you're selling the product uh the wholesaler is also what it sounds like you are kind of the middleman between a um between businesses transporter you're moving it testing facility you're testing the product to make sure it complies with regulations a cannabis event organizer um you'll see that that is not a use in our use table because it's not a use right it's it's just but it's a license that somebody would have to obtain to be able to put on an a cannabis event uh cannabis events are are um you're under the ocm you would get a license to be able to operate a four up to a 4-day event it is not a guarantee that you get to have on-site consumption at your event um that is something that the local Authority would need to approve um and we'll talk about that in in a little bit uh cannabis delivery service this is going to be like um door dash for weed um so they'll bring it to you um and then the medical cannabis com combination license is where you're selling medical and um recreational initially they had really kind of separated out medical used cannabis from uh recreational Cannabis that has gone away in 2024 um they did some changes this last season this last legislative cycle and so they're really kind of just um putting that all under the same umbrella eventually those hemp derived heat sheet products that we talked about that's really the beverages in Minnesota that's the that's the largest portion of the market um those will be required to get a license with ocm right now they just need to register any questions so far I know this was in your packet so I'm trying to not and i' I've recognize I'm sure you all read it but I just want to make sure that we all have the same foundation for where we're headed okay I think it's important to Quick talk about these hemp derived Edibles um there was a really critical distinction between the hemp derived products and cannabis and that is these are legal federally they can cross state lines they that you can use your credit card to buy them you know there all kinds of things are different for cannabis because it is still federally illegal it is a cash only business um you may not buy your product from across state line so whatever is sold here must be grown manufactured everything here so what that why that matters is my um the Cannabis retailer can't get a license until there's something to sell right right so that means if you back that that train up that means there needs to be a cultivator out there who's growing it somebody who's manufacturing it so that that retailer can sell it all of that must happen within the state that is not true for the Edibles um in addition there are some special rules for the for the Edibles uh really focusing on the THC beverages for whatever reason our state has a huge market for these um there's a lot of states that are trying to figure out why it's been so successful here and replicate it and to date it hasn't taken off in the other states like it has here um but I've heard from uh bars and um uh you know liquor stores and things more in the Metro that they're seeing roughly 30% of their sales are shifting over to these THC beverages for example I was um just at a meeting a couple weeks ago in Stillwater and uh there was a a gentleman there who was saying that they're looking at about 40% of their sales this next year they anticipate to bthc beverages as people are looking for alcohol Alternatives so yeah do the beverages have the same restriction on um concentration per portion yes as the as those THC Edibles it does but it's sort of a misnomer it the way that they had broken out the concentration it was create the math was done by somebody who' never consumed a so they didn't it was sort of like um applying weight to something that needs to be volume Vol yeah exactly it was weight versus volume and so it didn't correlate correctly the long and the short of it is a te beverage will absolutely be an impair you if you consume one you will be impaired um you know to what degree I suppose it would be about the same as having you know a beer but it you will be impaired it's it's not nothing um but important liquor stores under the Minnesota statutes are allowed to sell THC beverages under their liquor license it's an actual product that they're allowed to sell under the liquor license and if a bar or a restaurant has an onell liquor license they are allowed to um have on-site consumption the one thing that they are required to do under the law is if you are allowing on-site consumption um you have to make sure that you're not selling a person both alcohol and THC products so risk F have you know there's been some there's been some ways to try to monitor that from that perspective so if I if I'm the bartender and I've sold you a beer I can't then sell you THD for your next round you you kind of pot commit to one or the other it's a little hokey um and it's still being worked out and I would dare to say that there's not super great enforcement around it right now so Amanda can when cannabis is a cash business so the liquor stores and the bus is it cash for that too or it is not because that's the hemp derived um so that's legal ferally so they're going to be able to use um a credit card just like normal so when when we get into some of the performance standards that we've put into this ordinance that's why because there are some real security concerns around a cash only business where everybody knows it's a cash only business by the way about half of the armored trucks won't pick up their cash so there's only specific companies that are willing to deal in cannabis cash and they can't put it in regular bank because the bank's same issue you know as the credit card so it has to go to a credit so they have some limitations like that it has to be like a state un Credit Union not um something larger um that c create the need to have frankly just more um conditions to ensure that everybody's operating in a safe Manner and we'll also talk about odor here shortly which is another big thing okay so this last year the um office of cannabis management put in a maximum number of licenses that can be issued before July 1st of 2026 I think this is important to note because there's a lot of talk around every Community must require a minimum of One retail shop per 12,500 residents and that's a um fraction counts so up to 12,00 ,500 you must allow one if you have 12,51 you have to allow two and you know so on until you so so then once you get to 20 would that be 26,000 then you'd have to allow three that wasn't how it was supposed to be um but the new guidance from ocm that came down just like a month ago made that clear yeah but isn't that only if the city decides to control control the licensing if we say County you're the ones we don't want this we don't we don't want to have to have the responsibility for the enforcement Etc are we still required to have the same number of establishments yes thank you um okay so but what's important to understand is that by 2026 they put these caps on the maximum number of licenses to ensure that there isn't a Satur oversaturation in the market they were this is my favorite story to tell about this whole thing um they were supposed to do market analysis like really significant market research um they didn't instead they put out a survey where they asked people how do you get your weed and the number one answer was my drug dealer and so that was their math to figure out how many because they're trying to figure out how many people are going to buy this you know what's our demand out here it's it's interesting some of the stuff that's coming out of of ocm we've got more than 125 drug dealers in the state well they're trying to narrow that scope I guess and so that's my point if if there's only 125 retail licenses permitted in the state yeah these are Statewide numbers Statewide numbers by 2026 no City's getting seven that that's that math just doesn't work and then the other important thing to keep in mind is this is the maximum number of licenses but for every type of license at least half of those license must go to a social Equity applicant which means that if you only have seven social Equity applicants who manage to get through the process for say the Cannabis cultivator license that's a complicated one because of what you're doing um and actually manufacturing is really complicated too then only seven standard applicants get a license does that make sense so at no point do your standard licenses get to be more than your social Equity licenses for now I don't know what that looks like because the statute also says that a social Equity Equity applicant after three years can transfer their license to a non-social equity applicant so I don't know what that looks like in the future so is a retailer is at a single store so like McDonald's would get one for all at the state than have one at every McDonald's correct no it's it's one per store they're allowed to get up to five um but it wouldn't be for each one has to get a you know a separate license but one license holder can hold up to five essentially licenses and there's some rules around not being allowed to hold different types of licenses but keep in mind those meso businesses and micro businesses you're able to do all the things so um those are probably going to be the licenses that are in the most demand and we'll talk a little bit about that in hot second okay we talked about oh we didn't talk about this pre-approval licenses so this was a new thing in 2024 in 2024 the statue created because what they realized was the social Equity applicants um and I I I apologize I'm going to do some stereotyping here because of what they have as the criteria are going to struggle to get through um like get financing and to be able to have the type of credit that might be necessary to be able to get a lease and all of those things and so this year they created this something called a pre-approval program where social Equity applicant could apply for a pre-approval license so they spent the summer working with ocm to get their paperwork in to see if they qualify so that way they could take this preapproval license to a bank to a city to wherever and say see look when they're going to start issuing licenses in 2025 I'm going to get one so and really it's for for financing but um they haven't issued any pre-approval licenses they are behind on that and we do not have any estimated time for when they are going to be issuing those they don't even have a permanent commissioner they do not have a permanent commissioner um okay so the current ordinances that we have on the books in this city right now we have two one we have uh moratorium we have a so we have an interim ordinance that is temporary prohibiting the establishment of a cannabis business within the city it has never been nor is it currently legal to have a cannabis business business in this city right now that will expire January of 2025 that was what was allowed under the statute we also have a second ordinance and this is because the statute was written in a way that's difficult for the police to enforce um so we have an ordinance that makes it clear that you may not consume cannabis in a public in public places so that'll stay in place yes that stays um so we have had several um presentations you know discussions with Council updating them on the various laws and then also U seeking feedback from them in terms of what are you looking for in your um in your regulations around cannabis and the conversation that I have had with all of my cities is okay there's there's Vegas and there's Utah in the spectrum of Regulation you're welcome so was I thought You' like that and you're you know and so what I need to know is where are you on that Spectrum because that's going to determine what sort of ordinances we're going to recommend that you build out and so the direction that we have from Council to date is they want to keep that registration process within the city so the registration process the license is from ocm what the registration does is that's what the city can do or that's what the city can punt to the county um they want to keep that here uh because one you we are able to collect some fees with that um if we want to in the future that allows us to limit the number of retails uh retail locations and you cannot limit the number of retail shops if you don't keep the registration process so they want to keep that with the city but they do not want to currently limit the number of retail licenses for right now and part of that goes back to what I had shared in the previous slide there's just not that many licenses that are going to be coming down um and there's other ways to make sure that you don't have too many businesses in the city and we'll talk about that when we get to the ordinance um and they weren't interested in a lot of additional regulation and Road roadblocks the reality is the statutes are robust they have a lot of requirements that they have to follow in there um from double entry to get in to how they're taking IDs this is not like going to a you know a liquor store and trying to buy a bottle of of um bardi this is much more involved and so there there already is a lot of safeguards in place um and so the the council was not really interested in and creating a lot of additional um restriction so let's move to the ordinance and uh buckle up because I want your feedback on all of it so I'm going through it like almost line by line I I'm just confuzzled about one thing yeah you said that they could sell in in a bar and just like they're selling alcohol they could sell the th but what do you mean that there you can't that there are additional restrictions you just can't go in and so that that's for the THD member that's the legal stuff that's the hemp derived for cannabis products that is a completely different safety security requirement from this from the state that's going there's um massive security plant that they have to provide for them we want them to Pro provide them to us as well by the way but um they have to do that they have to show their uh two-point entry system they have to have a very specific how they take the IDS and take down the information and run it through a scanner I mean so that's for cannabis cannabis is incredibly regulated THC beverages is not regulated at all okay and so or that's not fair it is it's just minimal right so what are you looking at two sets of ordinances one for THC and one for cannabis or are you just looking at cannabis ordinances tonight really were it's really just cannabis um the THC kind of is what it is under the statute under the the liquor statutes the changes that they made to the liquor statutes this last year there's not much for us to say if a bar wants to serve it they get to serve it if a if a liquor store wants to sell it they get to sell it the only thing that the city could do is say we don't want to allow liquor stores anymore or we don't want to allow bars anymore but if you're allowing bars or you're allowing liquor stores you're allowing them to serve those products we don't have control over that and do we still have a limit on the number of licenses in Forest Lake for liquor stores or yes we do okay I don't remember what is it 17 I don't recall I I don't recall what the number is off the top of my head though thank you and I apologize for interrupting so much oh you're fine so Amanda it's just then let's just say like more like Illinois and Colorado to go shopping at the Cannabis stores yes if if you've ever been to Illinois or Michigan or or or Colorado where they have the double door system this is going to be identical to them my my second question is it has to do with as you're getting immunity ordinance you're only allowing cultivation in the industrial the egg the cons servy depending how you're going to do it but you got these micro and mesos which are going from one and so they have to have what multiple locations within the same Community or yeah so that's so that's something that was more recently I didn't understand how those businesses were going to be set up and I saw them more as oh this is maybe like like a farm to table where it would be kind of like a winery where you I don't know why you'd walk around these plants but but it would all sort of be on your same property and I have since spoken to a couple of individuals who have created these U businesses in other states and they said oh no you are not going to set it up that way you are going to have separate locations and so that is a super perfect segue into our definition section because what we have in our definition section is we defined the uses not the business does that make sense so when we make our use chart our use chart um talks about and it's it's page I don't know what page it is of the or packet but it's page five of the ordinance 49 so it's page 49 is the um is the use table and I have that slide I'll pull that up in a second but I just before I go there what I want you to understand is we are not establishing uh a business per District rather a use so where are the uses allow where can you grow this your license is almost irrelevant I you what are you doing and same thing manufacturing same thing you know selling it uh allowing on-site consumption where are we going to allow those things to be done and that's how we set up the use table and so because of that we had to create definitions for those activities there are not definitions in the St statute talking about activities the the statute actually does not even Define every type of business it defines cultivator and then it's stopped I don't know why but it didn't Define any of the resturant so importantly these are definitions that I've created um so if you have a problem with them I want you to tell me now um but try to Captivate you know what does indoor cultivation mean because there's places where we would allow indoor cultivation there's outdoor cultivation egg or cons might be appropriate for out outdoor cultivation but we wouldn't want that in industrial right although we would allow indoor cultivation in industrial um so it's just important to to understand how we set that up from the definitions on it's based on what are you doing the other thing that um I guess a kind of um highlevel um piece of information is every single use we are proposing to be an interim use and I'm very very interested in your feedback on that so an interim use is similar to a conditional use except for it has a set dead you know we're done timeline if you remember if you give somebody a conditional use permit that use lives on their property forever forever it never goes away um if it's an interim use permit that is not the case it will stay on their property and the intention is it stays on so long as they have a valid license with ocm and the reason for that is we have no idea what this landscape is going to look like even 5 years from now and so to allow somebody to have a use on their property that we discover three years from now couldn't be a worse match is really problematic if we have no way to Pivot and so making everything an interim use gives the state time to sort of catch up maybe fix some things it gives us time to sort of grow up in this industry and figure out what works and what doesn't that's why we' have it set up that way I will tell you we are unusual in that um I I am encouraging that in all of my other cities but I am not seeing that in a lot of other cities and so just so you know that is an outlier it is not it is not the most business-friendly position to take because they're investing a bunch of capital into something that doesn't live forever but I just am very concerned about I don't know if I I don't know if I got this right and if I didn't get this right I want to be able to fix it and I can't if they're there forever intern use is fairly new for the Planning Commission um the example I can give is Willow Brick Church they used to be by the Ace Hardware by Don Julio it was given a fivey year and then I think a 10 year now they've moved out so it expired but they had end the date down those why are we going with as long as they have a license versus saying in five years you got to come back to us to renew for another five because it seemed it it seemed honestly the reason that I did and we did discuss this um at a staff level was it seemed a little bit more business friendly to say hey as long as you're playing by the rules and you've got a license with the state and you haven't done something to re you know that that's that license gets revoked you get to operate that's fair but at the point when that license gets lost or you know gets pulled because you did something bad or you quit and two years later somebody else come we're not that's what we don't want and so that that's why we picked that that's fine yeah I'm okay with that Susan and we did interim uses um out on Broadway where we think it's going to be um a long-term housing or something but for an interim they needed to be able to do act we we've done it before my question is somebody gets especially since they can the social Equity permit can be transferred to a standard permit um my concern is having somebody with an interim use say okay now I'm up and running I've got this great business I'm going to pull my Equity out and and take my gains and run and then we don't have the ability to make sure that this individual um is going to a play by our rules and is going to be you know good for our community so so on the interim is it written so that it can be at the change of lure it can be reviewed our conditional use permits can be reviewed if there's a complaint all right so if there's a complaint about it venco was a great example of this um if there they have a conditional use permit and there's a complaint we can review the conditional use permit and we can review it once a year on the interim use permits is that something that is going to be congruent that when they there's a complaint um a verifiable complaint or there is um uh a change in the the permit holder um or I I I do like that the timeline that it has to be reviewed is that going to be allowed so that will become that really will be up to the Planning Commission and to the council just like a cup we attach any reasonable conditions to the iup and so if what we're saying is we want to review these every year because of the because they're so new or you know we want to review them at whatever some sort of specific interval we can having said that we can't terminate unless they've done something wrong right and um or or they meet this date specific which is they no longer have a license now one thing to note this I know this is super confusing if there I'm throwing so much information at you and I appreciate that um the license is transferable but that registration is not so if they want to transfer their license three years from now social Equity applicant wants to transfer their license they can do that um but the registration that is required to to register with the city for retail retail meso and micro businesses um they must come back to the city and get a registration and if we decide this is not a good area we don't like it in the B2 anymore and we we've moved it they can't get that registration because it doesn't meet zoning so that would be the the opportunity to basically say you can't get registration without the registration you really can't transfer your license so it's this really weird hokey backdoor way of getting to know but it's how they wrote the statute because and and at the end of the regular report you know you you mentioned that um there's an awful lot of unknowns here um it is a whole lot easier for the city to be strict at the beginning and as we understand the unknowns better loosen up it is much much much more difficult up to oh my God this is a taking of our business for us to be loose and then realize that there are problems and now we want to strengthen and so you know Grandma said begin the way you mean to go on and I'm just concerned that if we are loose at the beginning and run into problems we would not be able to correct course right and that's that's a big reason why these are shown as interes so we have that ability and then the other piece is frankly the first couple ones that come through it's going to be a lot of work to think about what are the conditions we want in these you know what are and it's going to depend on where they are and what they're doing and I I can't I can't know what those look like now I have some ideas around odor around security exactly around what you said around if there's code violation you th those would be things but there's probably four or five things that we just won't know until until we get into it and that's why I think this is a good cover for the city to not have these be forever uses for right now other Commissioners you have any questions so far I want to make sure you guys have been pretty quiet yeah they're M I guess again the state is the only one that's doing any enforcement right now though correct and that is essentially true we do one compliance check a year in exchange for having that Reg keeping the registration they ratcheted down significantly what we have to do for the compliance check it's going to look exactly like what we do for tobacco and alcohol where we send in somebody trying to trying to buy so so that I mean it's going to be it's something that is that the police department is already very well ver and how to do it yeah but considering that there's the dosage we're going to have to test we have to that's what we we don't have to do anything with with product okay uh compliance product compliance is aund and yes initially that was something they they were kind of pushing on to the cities um but that has completely changed state is doing 100% product compliance we're just are you checking IVs are you doing your safety process for that um so I did so one of the things that I did do then is our interim use ordinance I put in all cannabis uses our interim uses and that is those are that's the quote at the bottom of this page on your screen but that's just saying explaining why we don't know what we can't know and so we need this to be interim for now um so that is another piece of the ordinance that I have proposed and I'm I'm seeing a lot of head nodding that you guys like iup okay absolutely y okay so now let's talk about where in this City we are allowing these uses um so outdoor cultivation it's allowed in Conservancy it's allowed in egg indoor cultivation is going to be allowed in Conservancy egg and Industrial any comments so far yeah egg we have some areas where egg is relatively small acreage um do we want to have and acreage bottom limit so some cities are still water is um last I heard it was going to be 20 acres I I think that's a little excessive um I have in here instead I have um that is required to be 100 feet I want to make sure I get this right for you hold on right it's uh it must be set back at least 100 feet from all property lines the plants uh there must be six feet fencing plus bming plus screening around wherever you're growing this and the cannabis plants themselves cannot be visible from the right of way so those are the three things that we have done we did kick around a bit of a minimum lot size but we decided if we said the the step back and then we said we don't want to see it we felt like that got us there without somebody wants to you know have a little plot in their backyard I don't know if we really care and that's different actually you are allowed to do that you are allowed eight though at your house you're allowed eight yeah four mature and four growing you don't even be within your lot lines probably less to set yeah that's that's a that was something in the Statue um okay so manufacturing and here for the purposes of this we included the low potency hemp Edibles we're not exactly regulating them but we kind of wanted to group in some of their similar activities um because there is odor for the the low potency as well so the manufacturing of cannabis orow low potency hemp Edibles they can manufacture in the Conservancy the egg B3 BP and I it made sense to us that if you were allowed to cultivate it you should also be able to manufacture it um and but then there was the B3 and the BP where we thought that could work as a manufacturing use obviously manufacturing is indoor uh there's there's no outdoor Manufacturing are we going to require and and there there was an issue at a house very near me and it is amazing the odor yes um and how wonderfully well it carries it carries very well and so we do have very specific restrictions around odor I we will get to that okay but on our iups on our b3s and n i and BPS those are often fairly small Lots this is all indoor okay and I will talk about the odor but I guess what I'm wondering for this use table is are you okay with the districts we show it in we'll talk about the performance standards that we're going to attach but just generally you know I if there's something you think that's not the right district for that that's what I want you to tell me with on this slide Ken could could you please help me with some of the um the I I've slept since I looked at the zoning code and me to go across and tell you what they are well I I I know be but some examples of some of the businesses that are already there that that are already allowed in in which districts us it B3 and BP okay starting with B2 for many uses are club or Lodge dayc carees Funeral Home garden supply stores health and Recreation facilities hotels medical uses motels Motor Vehicle sales Parts repairs dealerships offices plant nurseries commercial uh or excuse me restaurants retail office multi-tenant structures schools truck stops breweries micro distilleries and rooms so a lot of the area where Walmart and Target and all on 12th Street that's a B2 zoning to give you an example this it's not allowed in B2 oh well never mind we'll go to B3 then that was good practice okay so b3s are limited industrial Prett small so that's club and Lodge dayc carees funeral homes garden supply stores from the same uses health and Recreation facilities hotels motels medical uses again the Motor Vehicles facilities offices excuse me plant nurseries restaurants retail office multi-tenant structures retail sales schools truck stops a lot more uses light manufacturing uh commercial recreation Self Service storage veterinary clinics warehouses and distributions breweries micro distilleries and T and and the areas it's that that area next to the interstate um like where north of 11th and South of Broadway and then that funky triangle up up between 8 and 35 where we just had the zoning issues that we we dealt with down the road up near Wyoming pretty much everything retail of canis products is where most of our retail is currently right yeah one one exception if I may is we're not proposing any of it in oh yeah retail would be in the B1 which is includes the businesses along Broadway yep yep which is what you would expect but all these other things the area that the B3 a big chunk of those say where the new Ford dealership went in right and those businesses along there and and and I my concern with I is that is where we have been putting and saying some of our high density res and it is significantly bordered by residential so we have a proposed um distance from uh residential if you're manufacturing uh so that's one of the performance standards thank you um so then we have cannabis distribution um so this is going to be um in the B3 the BP and the I the retail of cannabis products it's uh if you see for both conservancy and egg it says iup is ACCC what that means is we will allow the retail sales as an accessory use to something else and what so that's if somebody wants to open one of those micro businesses or meso businesses in more of that um Farm to Table concept where they're they are growing it there they are manufacturing it there and they want to sell it there this allows them to sell it there but it needs to be in accessory use it's so it's not going to be the primary use out there um and then it's allowed in the be B1 B2 just that's just straight retail mu1 and mu2 that's just straight retail and again there's performance standards that's going to keep this away from residential it's going to keep it away from from a few other things as well um we do in the table have the retail of the low potency hemp Edibles there's just a lot of questions from individuals around this so we included uh hemp Edibles and the beverages in this chart to help to help people who are looking to start a business or are trying to understand what's allowed where um it's allowed even if we don't say if even if we don't use the word p it's still allowed under that statute but this just gives uh you know the the residents and and businesses helpful information I think but it's permitted by right in other words permitted by right under your liquor license yep and that is said in the statute or this proposed ordinance it makes it clear you need to have a a liquor license to be able to sell it but that's just true regardless um and then on-site consumption of cannabis so those meso and micro businesses are allowed to um provide for on-site consumption um and so we put that in the B1 and the B2 and the mu1 and the mu2 um do you have any thoughts about that for Onsite consumption but you're not allowing it at a retail retails are not allowed to okay so retailers do not get to there's no opportunity for them to have a on-site consumption endorsement that's just the meso and micro businesses which is why I think those licenses will be the most desirable likewise then that that same argument would apply for if somebody wanted to have a cannabis event yeah we would say these are the zoning districts where we would even consider allowing on-site consumption that doesn't mean you get to you still have to show us how you're going to do it safely and we and you know the the council is still going to have to approve that but you you can't come with an on-site consumption plan for cannabis in I don't know B3 BP or I that those aren't locations for that what with your on-site consumption um you know if would it be similar if they want to smoke it to the current smoking where it can't be indoor but it can't be on the patio either or can't right so so you really this is not going to be consumed in a smoking capacity because it's because of some of the the overlap of other laws it's almost impossible to consume it that way so we're going to be pivoting back to the Edibles so people are going to be consuming it as an edible okay overwhelmingly so if we were to have an event center in um and I'm saying like wedding event center or whatever Event Center um in Forest Lake that has weddings and they have corporate events and they have yada yada yada they would not be allowed to have a cannabis event at that event center well would they be because because we would we could allow some of those in the EG and Conservancy zonings yeah they could have on cons right now it's not allowing it in egg or Conservancy do you think it needs to be added there if we allow an event center there which our surrounding communities have found them to be um good business um should we consider that and when you say in events are you think of like the places that convert Farms into wedding venues yeah yeah but they also hold corporate events and they also have product launches there and they you know lots of different kinds of events and it is a um it is a business and in some ways familyfriendly way to keep um a farm or a rur rural character or um you know a local business well right if I may Mr shair right now we don't have anything in the zoning code that even addresses wedding centers or event centers in the egg District or the Conservancy District I know we don't now but as we're looking forward um it wouldn't surprise me that that would be something that we would want to consider come on are we getting ahead of ourselves with this ordinance talk about event centers if we don't have any place else in the code that talks about event centers if we say that these are not allowed in those zoning districts then even if we were to say in the future that event centers would be allowed in those zoning districts this would not be allowed in those zoning districts unless this got amended also right I'm I'm just I'm asking the group I'm you you we're doing these wh ifs and and trying to to to read our crystal balls so let's say hypothetically somebody has I'll use a the airport The Hanger a hanger at the airport and has an event there and has the low uh potency drinks there whatever is that a permitted thing are they if they have a a liquor license or something then are they allowed to do that for the event and we have had folks that had events especially when the um parachute people were there at at that area um yeah there's a difference between having like a Selzer drink that they can buy at at any liquor store and take it to a hanger and have an event like that or having like a gummy party where you're selling gummies to everybody at the facility like a rave type thing I would be assuming is what they're talking about where everybody's going to be high as a kite yeah that's kind of the difference that's a big difference so to allow it you're you're allowing essentially cannabis use on a on a large scale usage you're going to be allowing it you know downtown and all sorts of other areas any place that you can um any any retail or on-site consumption yeah don't get me wrong I actually would prefer it in the rural or agricultural area of the town they're going to have that that type of event the THC drinks are all hemp-based they're all legal already so this is only the Cannabis part cannabis yeah and well and and so and the higher potency stuff that I'd rather not have downtown and in you know well most of them AR can let's just say I've been in a couple and so you end up with no one's sitting around purely for research that's right he's taking for the team I have a 26 and a 27 year old any other questions but you walk in they shop just like they would for alcohol at a liquor store and they leave this is what 99% of what we're going to deal with is that okay and I think that if we get too far outside of there on what ifs I I think we have to revisit the ordinance if the rails leave the track the train leaves the track but from the ones I've been in it's it's a double door you give them your dri driver's license and that you have to do that before you can even shop right then you can go in you can shop make sure you have cash but don't worry they have an ATM in the facility pay cash and you leave okay just saying yeah and so the the on-site consumption of cannabis I mean we we can pull that out what that who's who is that going to affect that's going to affect the meso business and the micro business um because again retailers can't allow on-site consumption so and it's going to limit potentially where you could have a cannabis event that would allow on-site consumption um there is nothing about the districts that we have this in now that is set in stone so I'm hearing a little bit of maybe it should be more out an in the more rural areas and maybe we're not excited about in the downtown as for consumption and if that's the feedback I want to know that so I can bring that back to council um so what which zoning districts are we allowing miso and micros in well essentially we're allowing remember we're going by use so what we're looking at the uses a meso is really kind of allowed aeso micro are almost allowed anywhere it just depends on what part of their business they're operating if they're cultivating they're allowed to cultivate in the places where we're allowed to cultivate if they're manufacturing they can manufacture in the places they're Manu manufacturing what I understood from the last individual I talked to about this is he said really your cultivation and your manufacturing are going to be offsite and then you're going to have your retail and your on-site consumption and he you know he said that can look like a cafe or kind of like a you know a smaller a smaller little little bar type feel um they haven't seen them explode into large bars yet that the market hasn't shown up there but that's you know the why are we saying no retail of low potency and no onsite in commercial no cafes sorry I'm not tracking which which one do you feel like isn't C conserv is conserv Conservancy okay b1s and b2s would be commercial we and we are we are not yeah or we are sorry allowing yeah okay yep okay sorry my my error I apologize are we expecting that are we expecting like on-site consumption cafes for cannabis around town where you're going to go in pop a bunch of gummies and sit there all afternoon probably not like a cigar that's what I'm wondering a cigar where you sit in a cigar like a hook do whatever cannabis dens all around the city come on buy a bag and sit on our couch if you go to the cada Cafe you still got to get home somehow right well no we're not because going back to how many of those can open in the entire State yeah there's just not enough to to make that a reality um but it's my expectation that the next legislature is going to say oh my gosh we finally figured out the math here and we blew the math so we're going to crank these num I mean that that truly is my expectation somebody's going to say the mathy doesn't work well they know that because remember they're not they're supposed to be looking at what the saturation rate is and so what they've determined is that the demand for these types of places in the state total does not exceed 125 but remember we said there are probably more than 125 drug well yes I think that's a safe assumption but but it's hard to know who the consumer I mean yes I don't know that that's again my point of that story back back then when I said that was they're not doing a good analysis because then that's not who is consuming it via a drug dealer is not indicative of who's going to buy it from a store is onsite consumption concern you it it doesn't um it doesn't it doesn't so I I switch the side because I think this is relevant to what we're talking about and this is talking so going back to when we didn't we're not putting cap on the number of businesses of retail meso or micro businesses in the city but we are putting a distance requirement between them so there must be at least 500 ft between any cannabis business and any other cannabis business from property line to property line and that's a little bit to address the concept of yeah we're not opening up four shops in a row guys that's not a sustainable business model for the city in addition um right now we have proposed uh 250 ft from all schools from all commercial daycares from residential treatment facilities and for most Parks um that's we are excluding Memorial Park and I'm going to shift to this slide to show uh to show why um because if we include the Memorial Park it takes up it eliminates so much of our downtown that um we felt like that we we weren't sure that that's what we wanted to do so as you can see from the this is the proposing a 250 foot buffer from all of those types of places that I just mentioned it does limit your location options to be one of these businesses um and then you have the 500 ft between businesses so we kind of end up a little bit at the same place of restriction in terms of how many businesses will come here but we're not saying oh we're only allowing one we're saying let's build out a model that naturally creates what we want my concern on the previous discussion was that we're hanging our hat on the fact that right now there's only certain number of licenses and and if that changes two three five years from now what we hung our hat on just fell off the wall right the other thing I I I'm on the second one about Memorial Park um you want signage there too like me well no I'm I'm just I'm just remembering that um we have folks that are saying we want more families to come to our Lake and and our Lakeside Park and we want more families to be shopping at cute little stores in our downtown um and I remember when we had some adult an adult store and the oh my God families aren't going to come here anymore this is not a familyfriendly thing so how does that either Clash or is this considered a familyfriendly thing like the family that weeds together stays together I don't know well I mean that's that's and so while you're chewing on that the alternative and I I think I provided both maps in your packet as well was a 500 foot buffer from everything so instead of 250 ft it's a 500 foot buffer from all schools residential treatment facilities uh commercial daycares Comm commercial daycares because it is almost impossible to track in home daycares uh so so that and we also have a setback already from residential so we just didn't feel like that was necessary um and then Parks again excluding Memorial Park um but um for reference your tobacco and your liquor license do use 500 feet but they don't use the same list so tobacco has a list of what they um are distances from and liquor has a different list and I don't remember which one is churches and schools and which one is Parks and schools I think tobacco is churches and schools in any event so we don't have consistency in the code right now I would Advocate that we maybe consider about uh consider creating some consistency and have all three uses have the exact same standard it's easier for staff to enforce if we're using the exact same map um for everything and then a create some you know just continuity across the board but for the purposes of today for the purposes of tonight one of the questions that I want to hear from you all on is it's 250 too small the reason that we are showing 250 is because it at least opens up some of the downtown but maybe you don't want that so other cities that you're dealing with now are they in the 250 range or they expand uh I have anything from 250 to 1,000 feet wow there's some limits in the statute in terms of what you can do the statute's a little bit hokey because it's it the words are poorly written um 1,000 feet is pretty excessive isy that's excessive but if we have 500 currently for tobacco and I would say go with the flow okay I I do have a correction for your map though yeah um where you see the two eights up there for Highway eight yeah uh that purple which is daycare that daycare is no longer there we have rezoned that and it is now Commercial Business okay I will um let the we're zoning people here no that's super helpful because I Bolton and mink I think made these maps and so I don't know I don't know where they're pulling their data and it wasir recent it was perfect but no that's good to know because it does need it needs to be right so I just want to make sure I go back and make sure that I'm correct ly hearing you all 500 ft is the number that you like better for distance requirements from the special things right yes the parks the the schools and do they want to keep the 500 feet between the businesses and yeah five think about 500 okay yes okay okay I think in these and this count I think two years we'll be revisiting oh this is going to get Rewritten probably every year and and I get that but you know as I said earlier it's it's much easier to be strict and then loosen than to have somebody make the Investments under a looser environment and then have us say ah too bad so sad go away right because then we get into all sorts of nasty legal issues and and and those are fun for you too but no just saying they're not um okay so let's talk about some just of miscellaneous um Provisions that we have in the code so signs this the statute actually itself puts a lot of restrictions on signage for these guys so there really isn't more that we need to add they can only have up to two signs per business they can't have any blinking any you know blinking light up things um they're not allowed to use any sort of creative language or anything like that it really is it's kind of like the adult bookstore concept of just kind of a little sign and that's it um so they'll under the statute they get less signage than what our code allows them that was my question so there's really not a whole lot for us to do there are they going to have the green and white cross that you see in front of a lot of cannabis so that that's not cannabis and that's what's been so confusing I think is you see the is the you see the neon pot leaf and everybody assumes that's cannabis no no no there it looks like a plus sign and it's green away Colorado has M on have them outside your businesses I haven't seen anything that's requiring everybody to sort of DeMark with something specific but what what is confusing for a lot of people is the shops that are selling the Edibles they have the hemp signs up and people are thinking it's cannabis and why isn't the city regulating that it's not cannabis it's that hemp that completely different it's not different to a casual consumer but it is different and how it's regulated um parking you have to meet the minimum parking requirements for each use so if you're Manufacturing if you're retail if you're you just have to meet you know the requirements that we would already have for those generic uses in the code we do have a very specific provision in in the code in this ordinance uh for a security plan the security plan needs to be submitted to the the police chief and it's going to talk about how the city is going to protect I'm just going to read this public health safety welfare it includes um must address parking traffic securing monetary transactions building security alarm systems both internal and external screening lighting window and door placement landscaping and hours of operation I mean it is incredibly robust in terms of what needs to be provided and the police chief needs to sign off on that um and that goes back to the concept of we're cash only the second um thing I want to talk about is the odor mitigation so they are required to provide an odor mitigation plan we don't have a lot of words in the code around what we want in an odor mitigation plan because none of us are odor experts and so we well and and I say that but I'm the City attorney for South St Paul so actually I kind of am an odor expert because they have the na Ranger and they have a whole bunch of stuff of santax but that's not a good place for staff to be you know kind of weighing in on that we need the plan but more importantly what we are saying is that um no the plan needs to demonstrate and then this creates a condition that's in the iup uh no odors will be detected from the property line and that's where that nasal Ranger would come in if we needed to use it or and this is really critical this we've learned this from other states um the adjacent tenant space if you're in a multi-tenant building so what's happened in some of these particularly retail shops or the smell shops yeah the hbac circles it through everybody and so the poor little lunch you know counter next door is not appreciative of that smell so we do have that already written odor mitigation you don't get to stink the end you figure out how to not stink and and I used to be nasal Ranger certified did you really well well yeah Newport the the facility um yeah not everybody can get certified I understand that yeah you have to you have to be extra good but that is so well accepted now it is that we will be able to put in the individual IPS that yes what what the nasal orent limits are right so that's why we don't have a lot of words in the code because that's really going to be something that is going to be put into these iups but it's kind of almost a reminder one you're going to have to do this two you can't smell the end you can't smell from the property line and if you're in a multi-tenant space none of your neighbors get to you stink either um okay alter cultivation we had already talked about this this was the question around do we need a size uh a minimum si uh size and we had decided no instead we're going to say 100 ft and uh 6 tall perimeter fencing plus the screen buffer and no plants visible from the rway for Ender cultivation um because we recognize that if you're doing green houses that can be obnoxious lighting to your neighbor that has to be approved by the whatever your lighting plan is has to be approved and then we are also saying that if you are going to grow this indoors you cannot use a greenhouse a hoop house or a temporary structure in the industrial district that's going to need to be the old cement building we can't we don't want to see it and that's largely because we don't want it to be um enticing for individuals to help themsel so are these in all in all cases here are they going to need like a site plan review or just a permitting process it dep if they're doing building which overwhelmingly they're probably going to have to it would be a site plan as well uh depending upon what you know what gets triggered in the code um but if all they're doing is interior work to the building and so there isn't outside stuff it's probably just going to be an iup I'm thinking more of the outside stuff where we want to see the fencing and what is that just by permit Ken no that's site plan approval just like we did for okay okay facility to yeah if there's a right if there's an outdoor fence if it's a for so outdoor cultivation would definitely have a site plan okay however if we're going to say that they can't be visible we're going to have to actually enforce it this outdoor cultivation yes yeah all right because we're not good at that I mean we we have a couple of businesses in town that were required to be screened they are not and we have not enforced that in their conditional use permits or by ordinance and so if we if we do this and we're saying that we're going to we go to we've got to actually do it we have a lot of of better tools within the last year in terms of how to enforce so with the administrative citations with some other things that we've been working on at the staff level the good news is we have the ability I do believe that we have the abilities now to um have better code enforcement systems and pull their I well you can pull the iup but I think you would start by citing them and when you start toite a business the way we have it written right now is eventually you get up to $2,000 a day they're a little more motivated to cooperate um okay so we talked about the indoor cultivation uh retail hours right now we're saying that you can have your shop open from 10: to 9 this matches what we're allowing liquor stores and it's obviously not allowed in adult use businesses um so additional standards for those more intense cannabis uses so that's going to be your cultivation your manufacturing um your you know anything that's has the potential to be obnoxious to the neighbor um we're saying that the buildings have to be set back at least 250 ft from a residential zoning District or residential use you can't use exterior storage and this goes back to the safety thing we don't need someone picking up your trailer with your product um and then the mechanical odor suppression trash that that all those systems because they're probably going to have a more robust hva system we want that screened so um it doesn't look unsightly and we made it to the end um so I know that was a lot I'm sorry I was hoping to I thought I could do it in an hour I'm sorry um that was our fault my fault it was 100% Susan's fault and I apologize for that um anybody who didn't speak up want any want anything that you want me to know that I can take back to counsel feedback wise no I would just follow up on what Susan said on being more restrictive to start with is always better do you feel like the restrictions you saw tonight were were restrictive enough when you put them all together as a package it's a good start yeah okay you want more the change to the not this time but I think as we get operational you're going to see stuff yes so as that comes along at least we have the power or the authority to change things as need be as it comes along okay that make sense yeah I have I have two minor Corrections once again engineering me under your business lce summary we on page uh 51 of the report or yeah under two A4 yeah can you put a zero in front of that point three sure and it's the same under 384 can you put the zero the engineers up here would really appreciate it those Dosa sometimes disappear when you're Xerox and we yeah yeah you know better that fabulous job Amanda any is he the whe SP yeah no no it's it's my my biggest concern is we really are hanging our hat on the low number of potential and I don't think that that's going to last much more than a year or so and so I I think that that we protect ourselves with a 500 ft um both the the 500 feet from our sensitive uses and between um 500 ft between individuals this is already a problem in our schools and um one of the you know that you all know that I'm on on on that the the the speak Coalition and it's already a a serious issue with some overdoses and um yes all of our kids could drive wherever they wanted to drive but this is a community standard that I'd like to see so um do do you feel like you want a re to recommend to council that they do limit the number I mean we don't have to stick with one they could pick five they could pick 10 they could pick one well no we can't we have to pick two we have to have at least two but um so we can limit that like I said we don't have that in there right now um but is that something that would give you know do you want to see a limit of three or four I don't know if two is right now maybe it's two I don't know I won't pretend to say I know that well it's for you I I personally don't care we have 10 liquor stores and they seem to do okay but we have trouble keeping four vape shops open so I I think the number's going to fall that's not a bad problem uh somewhere in that number and I would bet you it's going to be much closer to the four when these people walk in and you know the purchase is going to be topping a 100 bucks every time you well just the investment to set up a bus yeah you need a lot of people walking through the door I I just don't see that many coming okay okay but that's my opinion other Commissioners a good opinion not sure it's a good opinion it's my opinion I agree they're going to be in every city it's not like you're Trel to a different city they're going to be all over shortly soou probably enough any last words for Amanda Amanda this has been in it's been a moving Target for you it's been incredibly complicated and it's asking an an attorney to be a scientist and and a health professional and so thank you very very much for all the work you've done on this yeah you're welcome you're welcome of course we we do appreciate you coming you feel free to come to any of the Planning Commission meetings sounds good I'm sure it's just number one on your list sure do love all my nights and [Laughter] meetings we'll move on to our updates uh we have council person Roberts here anything you have this evening for us is there any doubt that we don't have the best in the business as a City attorney I mean this is just one thing that she is really focused on and especially what we've gone through here without having a city administrator how she's helped navigate that is is amazing so thank you for that and I've sat through part of this whole thing but there was more information so it was it was good to to see that so um no really updates I just want to congratulate uh commissioner Larson on his uh his win and S city council looking forward to working with you and I want to thank uh commissioner Wagner and young for their willingness to put themselves out as as we know there's only a couple of that are crazy enough to do this kind of work so thank you for that and um I know with uh commissioner Larsson coming off potentially off of obviously off of the uh Planning Commission that we're going to need to fill some spots there and I understand uh chair Gerard might be done but I would Advocate and hope that maybe he would be willing to stick for a we would like you to little longer um so we need your wisdom you do a great job of running these meetings and so um maybe that conversation can be had between yourself and I said at some point maybe over a beer I'll buy and maybe you'll decide to stay or something so um the only other update would be is on our city administrator search uh as you know this continues to be tumultuous uh we have uh we had two interview or finalist com in to interview a week ago Friday uh we thought we landed on someone that we would be a great fit for Force Lake uh he opted for some different options so um we are moving forward we're going on a different uh kind of a different way to to approach this and I think hopefully within a week or two we might have some other uh people in the mix and be able to finalize that position that's my goal so any what's the name of the company that that's helping you all out so it's a well man is they're right Express Employment professional yes and so uh the Carl Amy who is uh heading that up is uh his office is right here they also have a sister company in still water that he mainly works with but he's been very active in the chamber he's actually on the board for the chamber and he's been he's done such a great job compared to our first go-around on that uh bringing in just the background references non-solicited and solicited and he's just done a really nice job so um I think we'll we'll land this thing soon soon so any questions for council person Roberts all right well thank you for your your duty here yeah congratulations congratulations congratulations well am man anything else you'd like to add this evening no thank you your honor Ken couple updates for the commission uh we will not have a meeting in two weeks it's a Wednesday before Thanksgiving we will have a meeting on December 11th that will be the one meeting uh for sure we'll be bringing back the comprehensive PL tables we talked about before and the concept of trying to get those in alignment with the Met Council says they are and tweaking however they need to be tweaked uh we really hope to have at least in part uh the phase two of the zoning code rewrite in fact Abby and I are going to meet with the consultant tomorrow and go start figuring out what can we get ready to bring to you on the 11 we want to keep that moving [Music] forward the uh the Environmental Center I think is having a grand opening on December 3rd okay they I called them because I we're going to do some medical supplies there and um they said early next year so that would be great if it was the third that would be awesome yeah they're they're having they're still getting their last of their equipment all there's always something uh so that's great that'll be a great facility for all the people in the region car where we end up with all the trees we want it that no that's a fe as part of the approval they're supposed to come back after they open next early next year to work with staff and get an approved planting plan because they knew they couldn't get them all in this fall and they had to extend the budget out that was part of the conditions Mr Car Wash is just about ready to open so if you need a car wash it's looking great uh Ford is open they had a big opening last month I believe so a lot of exciting new things coming in what did Ford do with the sign I just no it's the one on the building and that's it it's they don't have one they got away without having one they they end up with the one pylon out on yeah 15 and they worked it out where they could have signs on the building itself on the freeway side to meet Forge requirements and fit our ordinance okay so they did not need the second pylon along the freeway it it is funny looking when you look at their um street light yeah here's what it is questions for Ken that's all I thank Tim no all good sus um nothing nothing planning just um for folks that that actually do watch this um Community thread out of uh still water has extended their transportation team to the Forest Lake Area um we talked about this as part of the the Met Council pulling away from um providing Transportation options in Forest Lake um this is one that's going to be volunteer driven if the M Council won't help us out volunteers and Forest Lake will um and it's a great service for elders um to go to a a dental appointment or you want to go to a grad party or or something else to get rides in Forest Lake Community thread is the place to go thank you nothing yes nothing all good sir all right I have nothing with that uh chair is looking for a motion to adjourn I have a motion do I have a second second I have a motion and a second it's a non-debatable motion all those in favor signant by for saying I I I opposed abstention motion carries unanimously thank you very much for all of your input this evening [Music]