[Music] call the meeting to order join call Council memb Ericson here lson here Miller here valento here mayor Ro sorry mayor Roberts I was gonna say mayor Bane May Robert here all right if we k please uh stand for the pledge Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the rep for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all the same all right uh Council we have a agenda in front of us is anyone willing to make a motion to approve the agenda also move go ahead sir I'll move approve the agenda I'll second any discussion may just to note that it is an amended agenda from what was sent out we could thank thank you uh and that was so we're adding um item 7 e uh to the to the agenda correct motion no so noted okay all right great uh open Forum this is an opportunity approve it though oh did we not approve yeah all in favor I opposed motion carries all right uh open Forum this an opportunity for any uh citizen to speak to any City uh concerns please limit it to about three minutes if possible and do we have anyone that is interested in speaking this evening there's no un signed up okay all right uh item six consent agenda um I would like to make a motion that we approve consent agenda a through H and then J through I and pulling item 6 I for convers for discussion second Mr Mayor I'll just correct you I think you said a through H and J through I but I think you meant J through L J through L yes thanks for the correction and there we have a motion the second yep all right all in favor I I opposed motion carries uh so would we then add that first item to the end of the agenda or that I to uh the the beginning Mr may you can handle it now like all right as long as it's it was consent let's do that so I just asking that uh we pull we pulled that Northshore Circle Park restoration agreement uh just some more conversation we have new councel um and just if someone from staff could kind of go through maybe the timeline of that and um if we have any additional questions I guess what I'm trying to avoid is the situation we had although it's not uh right away at city park where maybe the neighborhood wasn't informed or not knowledgeable about this and then all of a sudden we have a problem we start making small depressions like we did on Northshore so um da would that be yep okay so as uh you probably know Northshore Circle was reconstructed uh was it 2022 2022 redid All the underground sewer work and uh repaved the road uh doing all that work triggered um water quality or triggered Watershed uh treatment of water um at that point in time there was two Parklands Northshore Circle Park East and Northshore Circle Park West uh that were up for discussion it got reviewed by uh the Parks Commission and they had chose to use the the Westerly uh park for the BMP U so after the project it was kind of unsightly it was a long grass and a kind of a pond in there and not very easy to mow and uh got a number of complaints from residents out there that it just didn't look very nice so and working with uh the city staff and working with the Watershed uh they obtained a grant to do Shoreland restoration add some trees uh add plants flowers the city's going to add a trail to the to the lake and a bench so that's what this project is to kind of beautify the storm water project that was put in as part of that road project so the water quality project was already there we're not taking more we're just trying to enhance it to make it look a little nicer than how it was left after that project uh this agreement also says that the Watershed is are the ones responsible for the maintenance long term to maintain the plantings and that Shoreline for a minimum of 10 years and then Auto renew every 5 years after that the city would just be responsible for maintaining that gravel path and the bench which is minimal maintenance long term you want have any questions on that what's their history of maintaining that type of property if they're going to be responsible for it for the next 10 years what is there expectations on them as far as what that looks like uh maintaining the the the plantings yes we would still mow the actual Upland grass so there's off the street there's still there's still mowable grass and that that pond is designed to to be dry unless it unless it rains so we'd continue to mow that they would maintain if you see in your consent agenda their renderings of what their their enhancements are that's what they would be responsible to maintain we would mow the rest of the grass and then maintain that trail and bench it looked like in the renderings that the trail was going all the way down to the lake is that correct cor excuse me the trail going all the way down to the lake it's going the shoreline has like a bank to it right so it's going to the Shoreline yeah they just can't do that as part of their Grant because that's not considered water quality so it's pulled out as an alternate and then uh we'll just add that amenity in so is there what's the intent with that trail is there going to be like kayak tie ups or anything like that a fishing pier at some point down the road uh the tent is to have it as like a passive access we don't want it we didn't want it big enough where it'd be appealing for somebody to try to back their trailer down there but also wide enough for if somebody in the neighborhood or somebody close by wanted to park there and and walk a kayak or canoe down uh there isn't long-term plans for fishing I don't know how deep that gets out there you might have to put a a pretty long dock out there to for fishing but it's more designed for uh just you know paddle boards or canoes or kayaks but we had first designed it as 8 to 10 ft long and I think that would be too appealing for somebody to back their Jet Ski trailer down there so we're tried to shrink that up just enough to kind of make it look look more like a trailer will be signed to as well nor motorized vehicles and so that's all so I'm I'm glad to hear that so just to um question follow up that question so you said that the previous Park commission did look at this when it was and the decided and was aware of what was going on and made that determination of where the yeah okay the first option actually was the East one Bolton M had put a walking trail through there with some Stone water quality things in like a pollinator garden and and all that and the two neighbors that were on the east and west side of that Park came and spoke out pretty heavily against having that there uh so then they shifted to this one that was just basically an empty empty lot great that makes me feel better that there was that conversation back then so uh is anyone uh willing to make a motion on this I have a question sorry that's right um has this already been sent out to bid nope okay so the numbers that I've seen are just kind of rough estimates y they they kind of need this agreement with the city before they can put it out the bid because if there is no agreement to allow them on to public land and to do this work then they really don't have a project to do so it kind of has to this has to happen for before they can put it out to bid I believe all the plans are complete they're just kind of waiting on this agreement and and then so to clarify so the city's portion would just be that trail in the in the bench yep and that'll come back to you it's going to be bid as an alternate so when that bid comes back I will bring that back to you and say this is how much that part of the project would be is the council f is the city f with paying paying for that chunk of it so it's not b as a full project it's separated all as an alternate just to know what that cost is specifically for us perfect thank you any other questions if if not anyone interested in making a motion on this um make a motion to approve the NorthShore Circle Park Shoreline restoration agreement we have we have a second I'll I can answer any discussion all in favor I opposed motion carries great number seven regular this our first regular agenda item ordinance 749 multi family zoning Amendment and aby's going to walk us through this thank you uh mayor Roberts members of the council currently the city's zoning codes multiple family residential district indicates the multiple family residential district has a maximum density of 15 units per acre we've received a zoning ordinance text Amendment from James McKinnon to change that to have a maximum density of 20 units per acre and this is consistent with the comprehensive plan which guides those multif family um uh future land use areas for 15 to 20 units per acre so um in addition to Mr McKinnon's request staff is also proposing that we kind of button up those minimum and maximum densities of 15 to 20 units per acre in the multif family residential district um when the Planning Commission did take a look this in February uh they did vote 4 o to recommend approval to the your body for the ordinance Amendment just for reference to the city council we always look to see for our text amendments that they're consistent with the comprehensive plan there's no conflicts with the zoning code and that there's a general public benefit to this request and overall when we can tie our zoning code back to our comp plan which is really the guidance for our doc our community that's probably the best interest of the public um additionally for those that might not know if there ever became a land use matter where there was a proposal in the multif family District right now but it was greater than 15 units per acre the comp plan prevails so the comp plan guidance from up to 20 units per acre would be the um the rule of law so therefore this is not only consistent with um the comp plan it's the benefit of in uh you know fixing the zoning code those are all things that we want to do for the general benefit of the public um so before you tonight is ordinance number 749 which would change that a minimum density of 15 units per acre and a maximum density of 20 units per acre staff recommends you open the public hearing take public comment close the hearing and then discuss and after all discussion staff recommends you move to adopt ordinance number 749 amending all of those words for Section 153 073 multipay family residential district um my Roman numerals are not great it's just not um my strong suit any questions just one question just mean we've been operating with a you know code that says up to 15 and now we're putting a minimum on that is that hurt us in any way I mean is there versus just saying hey it's got to be up to 20 or it can be up to 20 um we're just making that minimum 15 maximum 20 for the consistency with the comp plan um I don't believe that this District would allow for single family or even those attached um unit designs that would have densities it's really designed for apartment structures right uh so uh at I'm G to open a public hearing at 7:13 is there anyone here to speak on Amendment uh [Music] 749 keep it open for couple War moments anyone interested in speaking on this this amendment okay 7:14 we'll close the public hearing bring it back to council for discussion any additional questions or thoughts or we have two uh veteran we one real veteran Planning Commission member uh and and one with a couple years so uh suspect if you guys are comfortable with it and it was a discussed it we have discussed it uh quite a bit at length on the Planning Commission and stuff before I think it's pretty pretty solid I think it's important to make it more consistent so if there's no objections I would make a motion to adopt the ordinance number 749 amending title 15 land usage chapter 153 Section 153.7 3 multif family residential district section a purpose all Second Great first first and a second any discussion all in favor I I opposed motion carries right we are 7B Northshore trail design considerations in Ryan all right mayor city council just kind of recap last city council meeting on some items that we had the understanding that you might have been at cons consensus on and then we'll go through some of those Alternatives and hopefully have some final Direction after tonight um uh So based on the February 24th meeting here's some bullet points outlines uh this kind of mimics this presentational mimic my memo in the council meeting so uh agenda so if you did read that it's a lot of the same information here so uh was our understanding that we're going to remove all scope of work from the project Northshore trail from Greenway Avenue to 235th uh discuss alternative scopes of work on Northshore trail from 235th but General consensus was that we were going to include the original scope of work from 235 to 230 or Highway 97 uh which included the full payment Replacements and then tonight we would bring back additional design considerations for the city council and uh anticipated project schedule as presented we still would assume that we're following that schedule uh moving forward so tonight's the additional design considerations we'll talk about Lane width considerations Lane striping consideration solar powered speed sign considerations on reference guides that we look at when we are designing roadways or look looking at safety features here's a list of what we generally would look at uh some of them we would use depend on money Source uh some of them we would use as a guide some of them are required depending on what you're doing so just going through those reference standard summary and high level I mean there's pages right right that go into this this is really what we really need to take from that uh so if we were using state aid dollars you know Northshore Trail is a state aid routes but we're not using state aid dollars so we don't have to confirm conform to their our requirements but we are still doing the same scope of work we're reclaiming it uh minimum Lane width would have to be 10 FTS minimum shoulder width would be twoot gravel um bike facilities they recommend following Minnesota Bic fa uh facility design manual if we were fully reconstructing it like we do plan on with the NorthShore dry portion from Highway 61 to Greenway these are the minimum standards we're going to have to meet uh on that design when you go into full reconstruction which would require a lane width of minimum of 11 ft minimum shoulder width 6ot gravel uh and still follow the same bicycle facility design manual Minnesota bicycle facility design manual minimum 4ot paved shoulders width 6ts preferred ideally provide PVE shoulders on both sides of the streets mot PVE shoulder info sheets prioritize paved shoulders on both sides of the streets narrow paved shoulders is better than no paved shoulders mot local Road research board best practices for pedestrian and bicycle safety provide paav shoulders on both sides of the two-way two-way roads to discourage wrongway riding biking ashto bike guide recommend minimum four foot P shoulders five foot if there's a guard rail or a vertical obstacle uh that's closed so take for instance if I got something there I'm not going to be right up to it right I'm going probably be a foot off so that's what that references throughout the presentation uh fhwa Federal Highway Administration B Bikeway selection guide preferred pave shoulders withd for Rural roadways based on speed limit in traffic Volume 5 to 8 ft for Northshore based on the traffic that we have there allows for minimum 3 foot pave shoulders 5ot of guardrail or other vertical obstructions or presence so some of the typical quick question what's the current width of the lanes out there the current uh road is 30 ft width at the most on average there's some pinch points throughout this Corridor even with the new payments we're not going to get a full 30 fet in width in some of the areas where some of the driveways were built pretty close up to the roadway or that area once you go past the pizza place and you got that hill on that north side of the road there's just nowhere to put the road any wider uh so right now it's uh the 30 30 foots 12 foot lanes and would that make three foot shoulders at best case scenario so all right thank you well that leads into the slide good leading so this is the existing section that's out there IDE out there today uh it's got the 12ft stripe Lanes three foot shoulders so we just kind of did some pros and cons to each typical section obviously there's other opinions that might have an additional Pro or con and that's certainly something we can bring up and talk about uh this this proposed matches the existing crown that means the center of the road would be the high points and it would equally shed water both directions and 2 and a half% is our city standard on new payments uh it's important to have crown to get that snow and ice off the road uh and not be sitting on your payment so this matches the existing layouts uh uniform withd allows bikes and Peds on either side of the road 12T Lane allows for more space for to pass around bikes and Peds on the shoulder cons obviously we've heard some residents want wider shoulders or a trail uh less than minimum standard shoulder width for bikes and PS vehicle speeding concerns remain with the 12-inch Lane and what I what I mean by that when you allow a driver just behavior-wise a little more space to maneuver they don't feel crowded or pinched or really think more about what's going down the quor as they traveling especially as their speeds get high so it's kind of a traffic calming engineering thing that has done thicker lines squeeze them in then they feel a little pinched a little bit and uh mentally then they're thinking and having to slow down a little Now doesn't work for everybody but that's where you'll see like a lot of traffic caling techniques whether it's with striping or even conquer curbing G ear in certain portions of roadways they'll squeeze in in certain areas just Mr May if I might interrupt just uh 12 foot Lane to every ones aware is sort of the standard right I mean 90% of the lanes out there that are um you know striped on roadways are 12T Lane so just keep that in Contex that is sort of the quotequote normal Lane width on higher volume roads your turn lane in the center would get wider than 12T sometimes too so there all design considerations based on traffic and type of Road option two uh restripe the road down to 11 foot Lanes which would provide you a 4ft shoulder here we would still maintain the center Crown uh we G gain one foots on each side of the shoulder meets minimum 4 foot shoulder withd standard uniform shoulder width allows bikes and PS on either side of the road and 11t Lane could potentially slow traffic down con potentially complaints with narrow Lanes less than the preferred 5-ft shoulder width so if you look at the the two railings you guys got on the sides where you walk up and down from your Das there that's that's about four feet so if you stand in between that's what it would feel like out on the road so uh option three go down to a 10- foot Lane 5- foot paved shoulders existing Crown here would stay the same two foot wider on each side of the roads uh you get that traffic cing effects meets the uh shoulder width Allowed by bikes and Peds on either side uh potential complaints about how narrow this road is this would provide some challenges in some locations for garbage trucks buses and larger any delivery trucks that do drive down there corter then to stay within that uh Lane you know uniformly through wherever they're driving and if we do have somebody close biking or running you if a car has to Swerve one foot over to feel comfortable you potentially are in uncoming traffic too so the skinnier the lane gets that's some of the things to think about from a driver's Behavior option four now we're looking at offsetting the crown of the road which would require additional uh shaping moving you know the material around with a a grater after it's reclaimed in place to shift all that material over you know some of it might be lost in their bid somewhere but if you're actually just calculating uh you know a few more uh cost of the the lineal foot of the project this potentially could be $70,000 for uh this shifting it one foot with amount of material that if you Kel it out you know but you're going to be out there grading it anyways so you know somebody might bid something else a little different and you don't actually see a price increase once you start playing around the crown just how they build the project because it's uh going to be a lineal foot uh bid or unit uh thing they'll have to do in the project regardless the shap and we compact it before we PVE it uh but here you shift the road one foot offsets you then have your 11 foot Lanes you can obtain three foot on one side five foot on another notice though that one side of the road is going to have a flatter Crown so over time that side is probably going to start developing more Pavements issues than the other side because just the crown you're going to get the water off the other side a lot better so and as the crown flattens out over time that's where you know a lot of your road starts and start to degrade faster and that Crown starts sinking just over time a road uh starts moving around settling down and getting flatter and then you get the water being held on it versus getting it off so that's some of the things to think about um potentially there's some plowing issues when you got offset Crown but here's some of the things that would go into a one foot offset also looked at one uh roadway if you had a two foot offsets and went down to a two foot pave shoulder in one side and six foot on the other and maintain the 11 foot Lanes uh obviously you get that one side that exceeds to five feet um you get a flatter soap now you're less than 2% and you know just in constructibility of the work out there unfortunately sometimes you're not just going to even hit that 1.9 you'll be flatter than that so that's why we set the city standard at two and a half on new pavement paved roads so when you take in the construction tolerance of a project you might end up with a road that's just a little over 2% when it's all sent down in some spots if they're trying to match into the existing curb where lots of times we are or there got some other obstacles to work around in utility boxes in the road or manholes and stuff like that uh but with this when you get a shoulder that wide out a sorry shoulder that wide out in this area we know pretty well you might start inviting Now parking in that area that's another consideration to think about when we do get that wide so there's just a lot of pros and cons that going to a lot of these options uh so with that I stand here and give you my recommendation I would do the 11t lanes with the 4ft shoulder option maintaining the center crown where it is today right in the center of the road maximizing that cross slope at 2 and a half% 4 foot is approximately with the railing widths that you got on both sides of the room that would be equal on both sides and why I give that recommendation to you know just knowing that's what experienced bikers and Runners do bikers are going to always bike on the side of the road with the traffic Runners are always going to run out towards traffic so if even if you had that three foot or twoot shoulder one side and that really wide shoulder on the other side they're still going to use that side regardless and I think that puts other people in more Harm's Way especially if you got two trucks coming at each other and you had two foot here and you know everything lines up in The Perfect Storm you got the biker or the runner over here you got that family here and two trucks trying to get through something's going to give in that situation and I so I I look at this and if uh even you know the experienced uh users are going to going to be pretty sufficient with all the options but it's that less experienced user that's I'm trying to think about and protecting the most you know sometimes if you do give that wider shoulder they might think they're safe but in actuality this is probably not a corridor for non-experienced user by providing that with over four feets I think we're starting to invite larger groups to be sharing that side of the road together versus individual or a couple out for a walk right so that's that's how I land on this uh I can keep going or we can just nail this one out right now I like it yeah I think just even for like postal delivery and stuff like that um just to have some extra width for them folks to come out I think is beneficial I would like I'd be curious just to see how many of them folks have gotten their cars hit by cars out there Northshore Trail because I know that's one of their favorites they always say this is the worst area for delivering is Northshore Trail for them and maybe I should put that snow plowing comment on you know the cons that I had earlier like you're like why would that bother snow plowing well if you have the road offset right and there's they're going to hit that Center Line right but they might not get enough of the driving lane um because you got so much more wire to push on that side and probably going to have to take two passes to do what they used to be able to do in one uh obviously the skinnier side they're probably going to be able to easily get one so that was kind of some of that comment related to the snowplow situation where I'm offsetting the road even much wider payment on one side with the same truck that we're using on the other side of the road right but definitely let me know now keep discussing or give me the nod to move on any questions or comments for ran on this no as I've read through this over the weekend option two seemed to make the most sense to me um Brian I just in my head I'm not clear so I just want to be clear are you thinking or are we talking about this 11t lanes and 4 foot or I'm sorry the 4ot shoulders on the entire Road from Greenway to 97 from 235th to Highway 97 okay provide it or if we're not doing anything with the first part of the road it's my understanding that that portion of the project has been removed and that's why I did make the first slide of some of those assumptions based off our last meeting I think just to be clear that was the consensus I don't know that there was a vote to probably there was no vote any motion tonight should be either eliminate or don't eliminate that section but I think that was the General consensus we got from the last meeting so that's my point my understanding was we were just going to talk about it and it wasn't removed at this point and I think we should go back and talk about it as you look at the cost of that Greenway to 235th and the the actual feasibility or the actual I guess safety and you know just are we really sure we want to put a a trail on that road I mean I think it's dangerous I think there's not enough room I think there's too many things we have to do to to make it work we can't even tie in the trail system with any of the other Trails because none of those neighborhoods are developed yet that are going to tie the trail system in so I'm not sure if we should put that on hold or not or should we just build the road as option two is the whole way at this time I mean I've talked to a few citizens and none of them are really in favor of it they're not making an issue out of not having it and you know at the meeting that I attended there were a few people that talked about it but it didn't seem like it was an overwhelming yes that we should do it and it seems like an awful lot of money an awful lot of money for the city to pay for something that probably is not really we're not really ready for it yet just my thoughts additional thoughts on that I'd probably agree with Kevin on that um I think the the cost of moving you ilities cutting trees land acquisition and stuff like that I don't think people really understand the totality of all that's involved in that from Greenway to 235th I I think that you know when we were the last meeting kind of the idea there was that it doesn't hurt to take a pause for two years or three years on that stretch knowing we're going to be back in that area uh with a larger project on the Northshore Drive dve piece of it so do you explore it find out what those real hard costs are what it would cost to take land and and again I'm I I agree there's a lot there that has to be done but this is part of our parks and trails comp plan to go out there um so I don't see any harm and hitting the paws on that and really vetting this out to see if whether or not we can do this as I said in the last meeting we might land right where we were back last May when we made the decision not to do this or there could be some money grants something to to do something to offset some of this cost I agree it's a lot um but I just I I think that M stretch if we weren't having another large project coming in and couldn't add that to this next to to this portion I'd be less willing to put the pause button on this but I just I I feel it's worth betting out I think I'd prefer to pause too um I know when I um for the last election cycle a lot of the comments I received were about connectability within the city and so I think even though we don't know the cost but we would assume that the cost for putting a trail from Greenway at 2 235th would be a lot I just think a POS would be beneficial just to see what that would look like what the scope would be and and just get the citizens feedback at that point I think the other you know the other benefit If This Were to come forward or come through we would have then Trail potential Trail all the way from one of our furthest East Parks which is Ken Camp all the way to downtown uh also then connecting to that new Swedish immigrant Trail that's going to run up eight I think there's some value there for for people and so that was the reasons why paus and again we may and probably most likely will end up exactly where we are tonight where we're we're concerned about the cost we didn't but at least we have those hard numbers and we know like no this this is a hard no because we can tell the public it's going to cost I think we had got an estimate of $6 million to do Trail and road from just that one mile stretch right so it's it's a lot um but to know the exact numbers and to just have more conversation with the community about that I think it's this might be the right time to just if I could add to just I think one of the things that we'd like to do in the pause is explore grant opportunities we think it this Trail connection makes a good story for connecting to these other Regional Trails generally that's what um mot and other agencies are looking for when they're looking at Grants is is there some larger Regional benefit it's not just a local Trail connecting to local neighborhoods it's connecting a a park to a Regional Trail and that kind of thing so that's another thing we we'd prefer to do in the pause certainly all all good points valid points about you know construction costs generally outpace inflation two years we this is a million dollars we're bading will it be a million to two years later maybe um we're going to bond for this project though too and our interest rates real favorable right now maybe not maybe maybe they'll be down two years from now maybe they'll be up who knows but um it's all very difficult to to say what you know what's hindsight's always 2020 right but um I do think there's an opportunity here to pause and just do a little bit more Community engagement I felt like the the tenor at the meeting was all pretty much folks thankful that we're doing something um but also some hesitation like oh gosh you mean you're going to do this and not do a trail um and I again i' kind of go back to that idea that if we do what what the original scope was that's a 20-year commitment we're we're not coming back no offend or butts about it in the next 20 years just because that would be Financial suicide you know just now you're now you're stacking $6 million on top of a million dollars with of investment right so um I think that was the tough part for for me to um come to grips with that 20 years is a long time talked about some of the development to the east not being developed yet uh certainly true if those developments come in the next five years we're going to go darn it we should have maybe done this right so it's it's there's no right or wrong answer and I don't mean to um mismer anyone's position here those were the thought processes that I had yeah I agree my original recollection was if we pause it it would be a longer period of time than a couple years yeah I don't what is in the CIP when is that uh I believe we have it 2028 but it would totally be dependent on when Highway 8 schedule actually occurs because if we were to have Northshore Drive tore up not drivable and Highway H tore up not drivable that puts a lot of situ residents and business some business owners not the ideal condition and it really presents a challenges for Public Safety if we have to so that's why we're going to piggy back behind the highway eights project but with their environmental project development it keeps been pushing the project that they're working through so they don't have it 100% firmed down so it's 2028 comes fast yeah yeah yeah and our road will hold up uh it'll take probably some you know annual patching that Public Works does on your local roadways that you know they're going to probably find spots they'll have to deal with we'll have the other six miles of this project or whatever that we won't have to patch will be you know kind of a tradeoff too right okay so we we are looking for a formal motion on this to I think it would be appropriate if you wanted to split it up into two motions to decide whether or not to include the greenway to 235th and then a separate motion on the lane wids um then I got two more oh things to discuss tonight too yeah okay sorry you have the that was a nice day but Sun's already set come on we can be here all night now right just all right the second consideration was the lane striping so uh this type of Road obviously will have that for or that fog line that white fog line on the side of the road and there's some information in here I just included why they put it typically with our local roadways it's a 4 in uh with however with the additional design considerations uh we propos to paint it 6 in or a little wider fog lines such as the 6 in are safer than the 4 in just because it helps the driver see the lane boundaries in the road alignments and it'll help I believe provide some of that traffic calming as well on top of that cost difference um between the 4 in and 6 in is approximately 50 cents in line of foot so that's about $25,000 from 235th to Highway 97 uh it would be painted epoxy so ideally that would last five years versus if we went out and did latex uh you would be back having to keep up a latex every year once you put poxy down typically you don't put epoxy on top of epoxy then you come with a latex in the future just because there's nothing to to Really hold to unless you got some really good areas out there still but original new Pavements we typically will go stripe epoxy striping so uh this is what I'm referring to the white line along the road and I'm recommending to go with a 6 in solid white fog line the last design consideration is powered speed limit signs uh there is currently one out there right now uh about 600 feet east of Greenway heading westbound so if you were coming towards Greenway you will see this sign and it'll uh flash at you what your speed is so uh obviously I think these are been success that's been successful out there uh you know studies prove they're successful in uh driving behavior uh they are approximately 12 to1 15,000 with the um proposed sign with the base breakoff sign uh my recommendation will be four of them uh two Eastbound to be added and two westbound we' work with public works on Final locations just uh make sure we're not getting in way of anything from a snow plowing uh situation or other reasons uh so that would be about $60,000 added of the project and these is what they look like uh so recommendation be to stall install four more of those between 235th and high 97 two westbound two Eastbound uh the one on the left is the one that's out there today the one on the right is actually just installed over and scan you so now in conclusion now we can make some motions or have additional discussions and I can go back to any slides you want but uh scope of work Lane width consideration uh Lane striping consideration solar power speed limit sign consideration or what we're looking for on Final Direction tonight all right thanks so we we talk through the other two things uh the lane and the potentially the pause uh the lane shift but then the new things here the lane striping and then the power solar uh solar powered speed limit sides any thoughts on that or questions on those uh yeah I mean it makes a lot of sense to have that six inch line um for the reasons you laid out and then as far as the solar powered speed limit signs I I would be in favor of that um I mean some people may ignore them anyway but I think it's just another visual reminder that people need to slow down and so I think it'd be worth the investment can we install cameras on them and issue tickets a lot of change with that going on some places right now that'll be a legal question um so in some of the feedback um from the neighbors or the people that attended the concern was the speed based on now you have that basically Oregon Trail Road out there that's rough and people slows it's an automatic the whole thing's a SE speed bump it's about an8 mile speed bump and having that nice pavement it is going to increase the speeds there so I think having these solar uh power limit signs speed limit signs would help at least slow down a little some of the people I agree yeah I agree for sure obviously a little little additional money there but I I think it's well worth it any other questions or thoughts on the whole project general one last one Ryan is the center line made out of the same as the the sideline stripes the original striping will be double yellow Epoxy paint epoxy oh uh so two different I guess two recommended is two different motions um what one would be whether or not we we pause on Greenway to 235 and then the second one would be uh the lane uh cons withd considerations the striping and the solar powered speed Li so interest in making a yeah Mr Mayor I'll make a a motion that we remove uh from this year's scope of work that section of roadway from Greenway to 235th with the intention of coming back and doing that section with the the next sequence project in that area a second I'll second any discussion all in favor I I opposed motion carries so then this next motion if anyone's willing to make would be on again the lane striping considerations and the solar power speed limit SES I'll make a motion that we move forward with the recommended option option number two which provides for 11 foot drive lane uh Remain the current crowns leaving a 4ft rider ped lane from 235th to Highway 97 also to include the 6 in Lane striping as recommended and including the four solar powered speed limit signs do we have a second I'll second that any discussion all in favor I opposed motion carries great thanks Ryan all right 7c Lakeside ice heaving project approval Dave F now will'll fix the shoreline as most of you aware the ice heaving that happened along Lakeside Park this winter I know if you've been out there lately it's it's come down some so it's not quite as impressive at all the Frost has come out of the ground but um we did good quotes um from a contractor local contractor who can kind of do electric do the gas do the grading do everything and they actually were the the company that originally put Lakeside Park in back in 2005 we use them for an estimate to uh file a claim with the league of Minnesota cities uh they did approve spending up to I believe it was $23,100 of the total cost would be covered we are also going after SS coverage uh for the rip W Boulders what that means is they can be covered and we're basically saying we didn't know that we didn't have them covered so we want to see if we can still get coverage and you basically back date your policy back to September and you'd have to weigh out what that policy costs versus what the repairs cost and if one's if the insurance is less then you would pick up that premium if it's more then you would just pay for out hand we it's an underwriting so we don't don't have an answer back on that yet uh but they they approved the contract they said we could go out and get other bids but it's competitive with what they review so if we choose we can go get additional beds but uh they approved forly Contracting work uh at their costs the the the big big thing here is the the sidewalker that paper path um I said 350 ft uh I think that's worst case scenario it could it could be shorter than that it's all going to be depend on once the ground completely settles down and how far we're going to have to remove back and there's just some high spots especially where those light poles are tipped over uh that path itself moved over and went up in the air so there there's going to be some spots I think didn't want to shock you but I wanted to say this is the worst case right this is if we go all the way back to that perforated drain kind of by the swing set and had to replace all that all the way out to the bat launch I after looking at it and looking at it with the contractor I don't think we're going to have to do that much and maybe half of that I just don't want to say we're only going to do 100 ft and then I have to come back and say oh whoops I I missed 200 so I I'm just kind of telling you this is worst case scenario if it has to go all the way back so that's that's I just went and got those two costs just trying to see if we could find that cost savings I I assumed that Paving it back in would be cheaper just because I know by having to put it all back by hand was going to going to cost more which which is true so it's about half the cost so to we have the cost to to PVE it back in so I'm C kind of looking for discussion on on that are picking an option of of what you would like to do with that trail and if you have any other questions about the bid itself or the process or anything in general about about this project so I had asked staff uh if some of you recall we had do have a shoreline plan there uh and but really I don't even know if we have any funding for it and maybe just a little bit of history about that and and maybe some estimated pricing the idea is that do we want to make this back to where it was or we want to make it so it's usable this summer potentially do the larger project that is going to happen at some point you know supposedly and do we how do we think about that and if we want to wait and just get it so it's flatten that then if that's the case then maybe it is the pinus instead of putting those pavers back down until maybe you can save most of those pavers and reinstall them when the final project when we do a a long-term project so up on this the screen this is the zoomed in version of that the concept that came both those was last you crect yeah I believe it's on the capital I can't remember which year you think it's 26 I do think that we had Capal for 26 so the I'll scroll down that was just assume the budget this is what the estimated budget was if you can that big enough so that was the estimated cost of that that picture that you saw the the tricky part is can't really tell if you're going to use part of that existing Trail if you're not it kind of shows maybe in this area that might get used but then it RS up it so the concept was artistic dra versus construction plan so it's hard to tell exactly if that paper trail is going to be salvaged or it's all going to get torn out anyway I don't know it's all going to go okay so it's all going to go at that point yeah because I think over on the leth hand side you've got all those major Boulders or Rocks coming in there and that would definitely overlap where the trail current Trail is so was the idea in 26 if this is on the CIP to to fund this through Levy dollars is that I don't know how that was plugged in there I don't remember either and I unfortunately logged myself out of my computer right before the meeting um and so we'd have to double check to see but something make me made me think that we did put this in for 26 for the stabilization of the sh line of the 1 Point um almost four we did estimate the shoreline stabilization was about 800,000 of that but that is with that Bolder design um as the council may remember some direction was provided to go and talk with the dnar about that Shoreline design um since the project or the damage that's occurred in the spring I have chatted with our water coordinator at the DNR about again looking at almost like a sea wall design some sort of you know pile driving in they're they're not um favorable to that design now that being said I have asked the question is there the opportunity to build a wall and backfill with sand plant material vegetation so you have that natural Shoreline appearance um I didn't get a yes but I got a that's a different conversation and so I think you know between now and as our conversations kind of keep going in terms of what do we do here I think that there's opportunities in the near future to find and settle on a design that works for the City Works for the community works for the DNR um but those costs are pretty going to be pretty significant are they going to come down a ton from 1.4 if we build a SE well probably not but it might come down some if we took out that kind of stacked big boulder design um and built a true wall really designed to kind of help prevent that heing in the future I will also note we did talk with um Bruce Chamberlain of tahi who developed the design um he does not have any concrete examples where the Stacked Boulder design that was proposed has been utilized so it would be a test scenario if we ended up going with that design looks really cool um but that's not to say that it wouldn't potentially we're not convinced we don't have the assurance that it would stop future heing in the long run it would the the idea Dave on the redoing the trail and and pushing be remove the rock will we have there push flatten it out and then bring the rock back in in place it would be re reset it so salvaging all the Rocks so they'd pick them all out and set them on on Shore they' regrade the entire shoreline lay fabric down and then reset all the Rocks back in how they should be about four feet farther down on the ground and and out so they' regraded as the original greting plan was bring it back to that that same Trine so I apologize if I missed that so I I saw the difference on the trail but What's the total then what is the total price to do that plus the total the base bid is 119,000 19965 and and that is including the the trail that would do everything minus the trail so the trail is the one that would be the the allowance or the add on and it's just bit at a square footage so as much as they would take then that's what you you would pay for a square foot so i' for reference that's three well it's 330 350 would get you almost back to that swing set there's a perforated drain towel that comes out right here in the sunk there and then that's when it all starts kind of getting getting a little wonky uh the salvaging if you did go with the black top Trail they would Salvage all the personalized ones so it's it's pretty thick between here and that the public Dock and then it gets pretty sporadic for the rest of it there's some on the edges but that would be part of that deal that they would make sure they solid we could find a different place in the park where we could replace them maybe the new Veterans Memorial um when that goes up to have the place to have if we did go with the black top option that at least those would be salvaged and figured out where to use somewhere else in the additional questions or thoughts I have a couple um you know those pavers that are there now they were donated funds were donated for those papers to go in right to build that walkway is it something that we could go to the community and see if we could do something like that again to repair the shoreline um as an option maybe maybe we could get citizens to donate again towards that rebuilding the Rocks what I've learned by by my Shoreline which is destroyed again like a lot of people's the bigger the Rocks the more damage it causes and it's harder to fix it and so most of the people come out and they recommend the smaller Stones because they're easier to grade out and replace versus those great big boulders which they have to bring in heavy equipment every time to fix them and the big big boulders move just as easy as little ones it doesn't matter how big those rocks are when that ice is going to move them it moves them and I don't even know if a wall could stop it to be honest with you um so my recommendation would be not to put in the big Boulders would be to use smaller ones and it seems like the dnrs when I've talked to them the only thing that really helps hold those shorelines in places is is plantings whether it be grasses whether it be Roots whether it be you know anything but as soon as that's all gone if there's nothing there other than sand or rocks it's going to move and we could fix it and it's going to look beautiful and next year could do it again no matter what I mean I've lived on L since 2009 and I fix my Shoreline I think every year and now it's pushed up another four feet I mean I don't know what the secret is but maybe there's a maybe there's a some way we could get the community involved to help repair that instead of just us taking on that whole burden again the community enjoys that par the community uses that Park maybe there's something we can do just as a thought slab Rock seem to work a little better than just a regular Round Rock for sure I replaced slab with larger slabs at a 45 and it didn't seem to destroy it as bad as some of the area where it had the bigger rocks so I don't know as far as like ice hitting it and riding up more versus just jamming it into the shore and pushing all of it rocks right into the dirt so does that does the bid uh include adding additional rocks or using the EXA that's yeah the existing Rock we trying to do this as cheap as possible knowing that in 2026 we're probably removing this and doing something different so and I'm also just trying to roll the dice figuring in 20 years we never had this happen and what's the chance we're going to get it in another you know year or two uh typically we get evening and Public Works will run their trackco down there and we'll just reset them it just is just way above our pay grade because it's heaved up way too much you know to but we get heaving every year which we just go and grade and and knock down but I mean if we switch to different rocks and we're paying them to get rid of these we're buying new rocks we're trying to design how to set them in I'm trying to fix it make it a good part for the summer but I'm also trying not to to break the bank here because I know it's something we didn't plann for and and we're just trying to make it look nice so can we uh move forward on on the contract and maybe just a little bit we've got a little time here but a little more conversation around the trail do you think that would be possible is to maybe Kevin's idea there of of sponsorships uh or or what the desire the maybe the park boards you know now we place what their desire is uh or maybe those papers can all be reclaimed and you be part of the Veterans Memorial not just the the signature ones but all of it or a big portion of it I mean it is a nice it is a nice look it's it's a nicer Trail but I do know there's constantly weeds in there and it's additional work for public works too to have those papers there yes I mean given the time frame and knowing that we want to have the park available for the summer it's a heavily used Park my pref preference knowing that we've got a bigger vision for this space would be to just move forward with the um less expensive Trail option um you know approve the contract so that that place gets put back together and then to your point um you know doing as we move into that next phase maybe there's an opportunity there because the last thing I'd want to do is go to the public and say hey help us fix this and then three years later be like guess we're going to rip it all apart that's not a very good look um but I think there's a real opportunity that people you know probably would enjoy being a part of that I agre so the the earliest work can get done there would be the 24th of March because we're working on the DNR permit and they're sending out um notice of decisions to all the Weds and all the other the TCH panel basically for review so we could bring if you want to sit on it and think about it we can wait till the 24th to give direction at least on that piece or if we want to make a decision now then we can get them lined up the I I even spec this in with sad knowing that same thing about a heavy lose perk because I don't think we have time perceived to establish we need to get s in there and get it growing and for people running otherwise that will be shut down all summer long to try to get grass to grow it's kind of a we got to get it fixed and we got to make it so people can use it too and trying to do it as cheap and quick as possible yeah council member Erikson brings up a good point there uh I think I would be be fine with that it would be nice though for those ones that are memorialized or to at least have a location somewhere for them this year maybe it's all together where there's a cutout where the is or something and people paid money for those and they like to go down the park and you never know that family might not be in town for another couple years all they come down there and they're not seen that loved one in the park that's that wouldn't be a good look either so um we need a motion then correct correct y okay I'll make a motion to approve the Lakeside Park repairs with Forest slake Contracting to include base buid allowances and option number two to remove the pavers and replace with the 10-ft binus trail U at a cost of approximately $45,000 and I'll also add to that that with the um intention of of having those customized or private pavers relocate somewhere in the park I'll second first and a second um additional discussion all in favor I oppose motion carries right uh 7D proposed lease for eth district Congressional office at City Hall Amanda yes thank you your honor Council uh if you recall I believe it was at the last maybe two meetings ago we discussed um council member stab's office reaching out to the mayor and inquiring about possibly renting some space at City Hall for a district office um since that time I have met with uh two representatives from council member stabber office one is in the audience tonight uh Ben de la forest and he I'll let him get up and speak here in a second if he'd like no pressure either way uh and they looked at this the place upstairs the shields Lake conference room it is very minimally used currently and uh would be a great fit for what they're looking for uh they were very excited about um you know what we had to offer here I have a lease in the packet for your consideration I'm waiting to hear back from uh council member stab's office specifically the office of administration for congress um needs to approve the lease and that has not come back yet uh key terms of this lease are that it would be starting potentially tomorrow if we can hear back from their office that quickly it does as I mentioned before the lease does need to end at the end of this term for for the Congress so that would be January 2nd of 2027 any future um congressman or congresswoman in that chair would have the opportunity to also rent this space from us irregardless of party this is not a political thing this is not a campaign office this is strictly a district office uh provided that you know that space was still available the monthly rent is right now proposed to be $1 a month and that is because the county assessor I spoke with the county assessor and they said that in order to protect our tax exempt status we can either charge no rent or Minimus rent uh after speaking with a representative from the congressman's office he thought that we needed to have a dollar in there at least so that's where that amount came from um and then we also needed to um provide them with password protected Wi-Fi which we do have and we'll turn over that you know password to them Once the lease is approved uh assuming the lease is approved the uh the Congress um staff member would not have access to any of the secured locations within the city hall it would just be access to the front door the public spaces and then also to uh Shields Lake conference room that would be turned into their office if they want to move different Furniture into there or what you know rearrange the furniture currently in there which is a conference table they could do so uh let's see there is anything else I wanted to tell you I think I think that's it just a reminder of the benefit for why the city was considering to do this is probably pretty obvious but having access to a representative of the congressman here within the city hall is great for the people who live here because they'll be able to hold meetings with individuals in the city very easily and near the surrounding area in addition just exposure obviously again tonight um Mr de la forest was here so he could hear some of the issues that are facing that the city is facing and just having that sort of um front connection I think is very frankly almost Priceless to the city I don't know how you quite put a value on that um so those are the reasons that that the city was considering it to begin with and those continue to be the the reasons to do so I am available for questions if if uh Ben wants to get up and say a few words and introduce himself I think that would be great and then I can kind of direct you on the motion because I am asking you to approve the leas subject to minor modification minor modification as approved by myself just so that way have the district office excuse me the administrative office comes back with some sort of a tweak that they need to the lease we can just do that you administratively and get that going great uh so uh before I will you come just before you that though any questions the council has it so Mr De Forest welcome all right well thank you Mr Mayor Congress members uh hello my name is Bend de laforest um so my first day with uh Congressman stabber was today um so I'm very happy to be working with the congressman in the in the eth congressional district for Minnesota um the largest in Minnesota um and more than happy to uh be in Forest Lake um I at my official job title is the southern field representative for Congressman stabber so I run the uh six Southern counties within uh the eth district um but obviously we want to have more emphasis uh where most of the people are within this area and that's right in Forest Lake um my job is constituent Services um as well as feder uh Federal questions that um constituents may have um along with our stakeholders in the area so um again like Amanda was saying uh there's no um there's no uh campaign side to this this is purely um constituent services and helping out the people within the area however we can do so great any any questions for for Ben thank you we appreciate it and it's it's great to meet you and hope to see your face around quite a bit City Hall yeah absolutely um if you guys ever have any questions I can leave you uh my phone number as well as my email um I will be more than happy to uh be available to you all so it was really great to meet you guys happy to be here and happy to be a part of everything so thank you thanks thank you I guess I just have one question maybe this is for for Jolene uh just based on um I think we do do voting up there there's an election that's where the where the voting takes place in that room in the is there any issues there would they have to vacate even though it's not an election an office um any concerns there I I I think we'll have to kind of play that by ear as we're approaching our next election and I'll I can work closely with Ben on that if if there's concerns from the election judges that they might need access to that room or it just might be congestion issue we can work with Ben and maybe switch his office hours for that day and perhaps he doesn't even hold office hours on election days so that's kind of frequent in in some political subdivisions so any other questions or thoughts or comments I again and Amanda alluded to this this really is uh nonpartisan this would be open to any you regardless of uh Democrat Republican independent we would offer this space and so I I welcome it um and I I think it's going to be great for the city and the residents and so um I would move that we approve the proposed lease for the eth district Congressional office at City Hall I get a second second you want to amend that to um include it being subject to minor modifications as approved by the City attorney yes friendly Amendment okay all right is there a second then you second all right any discussion just quick discussion Point um we had looked at other leases and on some of those leases Amanda they showed compensation that was greater than a dollar and so I guess I'm taking back a little bit that you know some of those numbers showed as much as $2,500 a month and now we're talking about $1 uh there was one for I think it was $2,300 for the year and then one was I think 500 a month the other one um and yes I don't have a good answer for why those cities did that other than I'm guessing they didn't call their assessor and the county assessor and I'm also not sure how they would have reported it on their um taxes in terms of or you know just how they would have reported that with the county perhaps I mean to for from a full transparency perspective I think it was important to reach out to the county and confirm because what would be frankly horrible is if they found out the back doorway and then they try to take our tax exempt status and then that's a pretty nasty fight makes sense right okay so we have a first and second uh all in favor I I opposed motion carries all right we are um oh so this is the additional uh item the resolution uh for support of the uh County Road 32 Forest Road realignment Mark very happy to have been in the audience for this one that's great yeah so uh um Mr Mayor and Council uh what's in front of you tonight is um a resolution of support that may look familiar to some of you it was in front of you about a year ago this time um we just received notice from the congressman's office that um the quote unquote window for um this congressionally directed spending is uh open um very recently and it will close I I believe on Wednesday or Thursday of this week and so um there was a request as to whether we wanted to continue our um ask here on this particular project and um working with the county folks on this one um they U asked if we could get a resolution of support and a letter of support and you know just so happened we had a council meeting tonight so don't like to put items on the agenda and surprise you with them um that's certainly not my mosop arendi but um in given the schedule and given the um dollar amounts weing talk about it it felt appropriate to put this in front of you tonight so um you know just to review the um the project here this is County 32 uh Ryan from Highway 61 West to what's the Western limit not quite all the way to uh Eureka but in between Eureka and 12 12 Street Southwest and then um regardless of the realignment of Forest Road the city would have a share in this project I believe it was estimated around 1.8 to 1.9 million and that does not include RightWay acquisition engineering construction Administration inflation and we will have some City sanitary and water work and if we want to do lighting again that'll be another conversation we need to have so there's a there's a two-ish million dollar project cost here regardless of any realignment of Forest Road and um having that realignment of Forest Road um when that was discussed at several public meetings I believe there was five public meetings held so there's a lot of community input here and uh the result of that Community input was that they the public favored uh this sort of realignment to shift Forest roads intersection over a block essentially and um which eliminates the need for a right in WR out uh restriction on that intersection and that that action and the the hardship that that involves for the city um kind of prompted this idea to go seek funding elsewhere because the city just doesn't have that kind of funding in our our pocket at the moment um so that was the the ask from last year was to uh request that funding from the the federal government to um assist with the city's share of that project overall the total project cost for the city would come down with that um appropriation and so um staff's recommendation is to continue this ask u in in 2025 and um again to fund the city's portion of the realignment of Forest Road so um I don't know if Ryan you have got any other comments on the project as a whole so the county is going to match their previous ass which was 9 million that would go towards Forest Road construction and right away and then the remaining funds would be uh taken off the top of the whole entire project so in essence that would buy down on our local share of the numbers I just shared with you and so Mr Mayor and counil what we would be asking for you tonight is to approve the resolution in front of you and um authorize the letter of support that's been drafted the draft letter for you um if you have of course amendments to that resolution or to the draft letter we would certainly take those but otherwise it's I think just identical to last year's with updating the dates correct okay thanks uh do we have you know we were told in the past that we would learn the outcome of this in March and here it is March um so this additional ask does that back up and we should we hear relatively soon if these funds are going to be available or any idea yeah so the conversation started I reached out to the county if we could set up some separate time to bring administrator STS up to speed on this project and then we got this email today I they just found out Friday that Starbuck is is looking to reopen the congressionally directed spending portal for new submittals so now we're resubmitting I don't know what that entirely means if our old one is not valid anymore we need to resubmit it to make it currents um but they needed an updated letter of supports from they requested one from the city and one from the chamber and then the resolution of support too so that's where we're at this all just has happened in the last well since this morning for us any other questions or discussion on this or thoughts support anyone want to make a motion I'll make a motion to approve resolution number 0310 2502 a resolution of Court requesting congressionally directed spending funds for Washington County's County state aid Highway 32 pedestrian and safety Improvement project along with the letter of support second second all right any discussion all in favor I opposed motion carries all right we are at staff updates uh and I will start we'll start with Jolene anyby um I just have a couple for you um included on the day tonight is an Eda 2024 annual report um I don't think that that's necessarily something that have been being reported back to the council certainly not in maybe um kind of the format that it is but a new thing so take a look at that really highlights not only the eda's activities but just in general some of the development that happened in Forest Lake in 2025 plan and updating that annually so we start to see those Trends and always just kind of upward I think um are trying to schedule a joint Workshop between the Eda and the city council for the first week in April or just the first part of April um I recognize I should have given you a heads up to bring your calendars with you I did hear from the Eda that there are two dates that work better Monday April 7th or Thursday April 10th but we do acknowledge that there is a conflict of Interest with the Thursday night meetings in our local Lions Club so I guess if folks have their calendars available I'm just wondering if you've got some availability or know your availability Monday April 7th or Thursday April 10th looks like Jeff I'm open on I'm open on the seventh Hannah you want to get back to me I'm most likely open usually I keep my monds open so maybe what we'd probably do is just set it right now tentatively for the 7th um I'll send out a calendar invite for everyone sounds like there's a majority of the council a majority of the Eda that's available that night time TBD but the goal of that joint Workshop is really to discuss some higher level items um specifically related to Headwaters 123 but then in general Eda work plan and kind of where the body is going to kind of be going in the next maybe 18 to 36 months that's great that's all I got thank you thank you Dave anything else first tonight uh tomorrow is the Public Works facility space needs Study Tours we'll be looking at uh City Ramsey and the City of Hugo uh Public Work facilities tomorrow uh council's at attending meet here at 12:15 at the city center and we will go from there uh second issue or not issue item is uh parks and recck commission is meeting for the first time next week first time in a long time so Kyle's been putting a lot of uh topics together he's raring to go he wanted to see if we could go till midnight first night him the calm her down let's let's just get him intro s some introductions and wait for at least the second meeting so he's excited it's it'll be good to have a group together there's a lot of development a lot of policy work a lot of stuff that has kind of been shelled for a while so we'll be catching up and and putting some time in that's it great Ryan for uh mayor State Council just a few things to update last Tuesday uh public open house for pre-construction meeting uh was held for Broadway by the Washington County I think three uh residents showed up for that meeting so not obviously the turnout they wanted but they are going to still plan on going door to door to all the businesses there just to have that one-on-one connection I think they anticipated you know depending on weather does and everything but Construction stting in April and they plan to be done June 15th or second week in June uh with that project so that'll give us plenty of time before 4th of July this Thursday is the bell's Park bid opening uh and then tomorrow nights we have the Mind dos Highway 97 public open house 400 p.m. to 6 p.m. upstairs in the community center so that' be interesting to see the turnout for that it's been a little while since they've had a public meeting but uh it'll definitely generate a lot of questions with that project so but hopefully people that do come have been to the several open houses that we've had over the years so with that one and I think you all seen that aial flyover computer generated project right so that was a good tool that mot put together too that's all I got uh will so when is the project is start again is that may or I guess the bigger question when would that be completely shut down with the project on Broadway be done before they completely shut that or do we not know that I heard last I heard they plan on doing lane closures the beginning of June with Highway 97 so there would be at least a week overlap if not two with the construction projects but at that stage that would be the final stage Washington County would be with Broadway so it would be open to traffic both lanes it might be restricted lane but traffic traffic both lanes would be opened by June already good Amanda anything else for us no updates and Mark anything uh just a couple of things um this week we are uh interviewing a couple for a couple open positions um one at the public works department and one in our building department and then um next agenda for our our work session we're going to try to bring a staffing um discussion back to you about some of the department head positions that are open and have a little bit better um picture for you where we're heading in that direction in that um regard to overall Staffing um so we're eager to get that moving and get some of those positions that filled that have been vacant for a bit of a time here um I also want to just report that we had a very nice meeting with asme uh the union um for our folks in various places in our organization here and um I think we have a ten agreement worked out with them and uh map uh the union will be uh negotiating with them this Wednesday and are hoping again for a similar outcome and hope that we can bring those agre back you soon to get you know it is March now it's time to get those agreements wrapped up right so we're eager to do that so that's all I have for now great Kevin you have anything for nothing for me nope just want to update talking to Kyle since he's so eager about the parks and recck commission which is exciting him and I have been in talks just about um the policies because that's one of his big to-dos is working on policies and drafting them and going over them during the commission meetings and and so he came to me asking about um anything that we've heard from Council on Council from community members um and I told them that I would relay that message to all of you and so that if you guys have anything that comes to your mind that the community has brought to your attention feel free to reach out to Kyle um because he's just going to town on policies and creating policies and um I know he already has two drafted and I'm sure he has a b of some that he's going to draft so yeah just let him know that's great and that's it nothing nothing this evening this evening thank you I don't have anything uh either uh we are uh this is the end of the regular scheduled uh meeting we are going to close session uh does anyone want to make that motion to go into close session Mr Mayor just as a matter of order um just to be clear that this is not the we're not closing the regular meeting we are assessing the regular meeting and then we'll adjourn the meeting after the Clos session just to be clear about thank you I'll move to close the meeting pursuant to Minnesota statute 13d .05 subdivision 3 C3 to develop or consider offers or counter offers for the purchase or sale of real or personal property identified as lot one block two to Ponty first edition and lot one block one dep Pony Third Edition Washington County Minnesota Clos session will be held in the forest lake conference room and will commence immediately once the close Clos session is completed the city council will reconvene the open meeting portion in council chambers once back in session the council will adjourn the regularly scheduled council meeting is there a second I'll second all in favor I I oppos motion carries for close session [Music]