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Woodlane Drive Pre-Construction Meeting 5-12-26
Woodbury City CouncilWednesday, May 13, 2026
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Mhm. >> Mhm. >> All right. Thank you everybody for coming out this fine Tuesday evening. I know everybody probably be more interested in staying outside in the sun and the wind, but appreciate everybody coming out. My name is Colton Espinosa. I am the engineering project coordinator and project manager for our Woodlane Drive pavement rehabilitation project. With us I have Alec Babin here with SEH, our designer, and Sarah will be our inspector for the project site. She'll be there every day inspecting everything. And then out in the hallway there we kind of have two of our other engineers, Mike Hanna and Tony Kutsky. So, I'm just going to dive right in and we'll kind of go into the presentation that we have here. So, today we're going to talk about the communication that we will expect have for this project, [snorts] kind of go over the phasing and scheduling that's going to happen here. Uh kind of go over the construction process that everybody will kind of see throughout the summer. And then we'll kind of touch base on some of the frequently asked questions that we received from multiple projects like this. And then afterwards we'll kind of open this up for an open house and be able to talk to everybody kind of one-on-one, answer any questions like that. So, everybody here was invited with a letter that we snail mailed out. Um moving forward, we won't be sending any more letters via mail for >> [snorts] >> ease in terms of getting information out to everybody sooner. Instead, we're going to be using our Intouch system, which allows us to provide weekly updates via email that everybody has the opportunity to sign up for. We have some boards outside and QR codes and links kind of all around here that people can use to get access to it and then sign up for our projects. >> [snorts] >> Um and then we'll be able to kind of help anybody who is interested in trying to connect to that right now if they just need a little bit of assistance. Um they can be done on your phone or a computer and it can be kind of done at any time. So, we'll be able to help in that regard after the presentation. Um we will also be uh coordinating with residents here um using door hangers. Um so we'll be providing uh you know, closer notifications on important items like access to driveways or things of that nature and once we get close to those pieces and we'll be we will be providing those um to all those residents and businesses that are impacted. Um we will also have a project hotline that we have on the screen here. Um that goes directly to Sarah. So, she will be able to answer phone calls and um provide any answers to questions that residents may have. Um and then we also have a project-specific email that can be utilized to reach out to the project team here. And all this information will be on our city website as well. So, this is a general um map of our project area. Oh, uh kind of a map. Set up what it looks like again real quick. So, the project is from Wood Dale Drive, so just south of the Chick-fil-A uh over by Valley Creek Road and then the project will continue all the way south till it meets up at Bailey Road. >> [clears throat] >> So, it's a little over a 2-mi project and we're focusing on work on Wood [clears throat] Lane Drive. Um the scope of our project is focused on converting Woodlane Drive from four lanes to three, so one lane going each way with a shared left in the middle, a lot like uh Lake Road. With that, we will be replacing the pavement and curb along the entire um roadway. Uh we will also be doing some trail replacements. All the trail [clears throat] on the east side of Woodlane Drive is going to get redone, and with that, we will also be including a couple of new sections of trail on the west side, over down by Bailey Road and near Woodbury High School. Um and with all that work, we will also be improving all the existing pedestrian ramps and providing some new crossing uh pedestrian crossings for Woodlane Drive along the corridor. Um with that, we still have quite a bit of other work. We will be replacing some water main that is over in the commercial district area on Woodlane Drive. Um we're doing some retaining wall um replacements and improvements, along with some signal improvements and just some other uh general utility repairs that need to be done at this time. So, on this screen, I've got a preliminary phasing map that we have for the project. Um I will preface that all of the dates that are on here are subject to change, just depending on um the construction schedule and any unforeseen uh weather instances. Um but, we have it broken down into three phases. Our first phase that we've identified is on the south, it's from Bailey Road to Lake Road. Um right now, we have that uh scheduled to start early June and will end mid-August. The second phase that we have is going to be in that magenta color, and that is going to be from Lake Road to Courtly Road. Um for that one we are anticipating it to to go from early June um to end of July very early August as well. And we're coordinating with Woodbury High School just to make sure that we're on the same page with them with their projects. And then the third phase is going to be from Courtly Road all the way to Wooddale Drive. And that one is going to be the longest phase. Um it's going to start late May and is anticipated to end early September. >> [snorts] >> So I'll try and break down the phase in a little bit here. Um so on here I'm if we're saying about 8 to 17 weeks um for the work to be completed. Granted that is all very kind of space or phase specific. Um so with like the with phase one that one is going to take roughly 10 to 11 weeks and phase two 8 to 9 weeks and then the third phase will kind of be around that 16 week period. Um with that when the construction starts contractor's going to focus on getting all of their materials kind of on site and get the area prepped so that'll take them about a week. And then they're going to start working on roadway uh improvements kind of one side at a time. So they're going to be working on the west side say first on the roadway and then they're going to switch all their operations to the east side. Um with that they are going to be um implementing one-way traffic during the construction to still allow um residents and business people to go to uh their locations as they can. Um so that's going to be implemented as well with this project. And then at the end they're going to do kind of like a final final amount of work to get the last bit of paving done so we have a a nice and consistent uh product at the end of the project. >> [snorts] >> So, we do also have a a video that we like to share that kind of gives a nice high-level um uh introduction and explanation to the work that we're going to be doing. And then after that, we'll have Alec come up and he'll give us a little bit more detail on to some of the specifics. City will also provide weekly construction updates through its In Touch free year, the city improve All right. Every year, the city improves sections of neighborhood streets in a variety of areas of Woodbury. Most of the roads are in residential areas, which is why city staff conduct a series of neighborhood meetings, open houses, and public hearings related to the roadway rehabilitation project. Residents attending these meetings have the opportunity to learn about the construction process, special assessments and funding, how it will impact them, and ask questions about the project. Special assessments are a charge imposed for improvements that benefit nearby properties. The amount of the charge bears a direct relationship to the benefit the property receives and is based on the city's assessment policy. Assessments are used as a partial project funding source, in addition to general tax revenues and other sources. Once the project is formally approved by city council, construction begins. Before construction begins on residential streets, you will receive a notice on your front door handle. This notice will provide important information regarding the construction schedule and impacts your property. The city will also provide weekly construction updates through its In Touch email service. One of the first steps in the process is removing portions of the old pavement. A large machine proceeds slowly down the street as it removes the top surface of the pavement, leaving a rough but drivable surface. In most cases, the roads remain open to traffic through the pavement removal process. Depending on the location of the project, utility improvements might be done in conjunction with the roadway work. These improvements include sewers, water mains, natural gas lines, and communication cables. Water main work may require short-term water shut-offs, which are usually 8 hours or less. Notice will typically be provided 48 hours before shutting off water. Utility work requires extensive digging and usually results in temporary lane or roadway closures that may impact access to properties. Motorists should be aware of detours in these areas. All projects involve curb and gutter work. Approximately 2 weeks before curb construction sections are evaluated and marked for removal. If your curb needs to be replaced, you will be notified and given information on how it will impact your residence. Once curb work is completed, it cannot be driven over for 5 to 7 days. During construction, any irrigation systems, dog fences, or other private features within the right-of-way will have to be moved by the property owner to prevent damage during the construction process. The contract will not be responsible for repairing or replacing any damage to these features due to construction. Asphalt driveways damaged during curb replacement will be patched. Damaged concrete driveways will be removed and replaced. Areas with full curb replacement may require the mailboxes to be removed during construction. The contractor will remove and reinstall your mailbox if necessary. A temporary mailbox will will provided for mail service at an alternate location. Curb work will also impact your lawn. The contractor will replace disturbed areas with seed and hydromulch. The contractor will care for the area for 45 days. Residents are encouraged to water and care for the areas to achieve the best results. Prior to final paving, the street will be thoroughly swept. After this step, the final pavement process will begin. After the first layer of pavement has been placed and prior to placing a subsequent layer, tack oil is applied to the road. Residents should avoid driving on the tack oil because it can stick to driveways and vehicles. With the tack oil in place, crews will then begin the paving process after the new asphalt is rolled and has cooled. Once the contractor is done rolling the new pavement, it is ready to be driven over. If you have any questions regarding the project process, [music] assessments, or the scope of the project proposed for your neighborhood, please contact the City of Woodbury Engineering Department [music] at 651-714-3593. In November 2024, we broke ground on our new water treatment plant. All right. Hi, everybody. Uh my name's Alec Bavin. Uh just uh want to go over a quick introduction. I'm the project engineer for the Woodlane Drive Rehab project. Um working as a consultant for the City of Woodbury. Um so, very happy to have you all here and we're glad uh you can all get here and get a little bit more information on the project. Um so, first let's go over preparation. Uh, there's a lot that's involved um, with these projects. And there's a lot of upfront work that needs to be done to keep things moving efficiently. Um, first on the left uh, you can see a photo of some silt fence. Um, we'll be installing some erosion control measures um, to protect existing wetlands, um, the environment and our uh, existing waterways. Um, so that'll go up immediately next in the uh, in the next week or two here. Um, and then the top right corner you can see some stakes in the ground. Those are stakes that our surveyor places in the ground. Um, those are used for construction and reference points for the contractor. Um, those are very important so please uh, leave those be. Try to um, protect them if you can. Don't run them over with your mower. Um, avoid as much as possible. Um, if those get ripped out feel uh, please let us know if you see a bunch of them laying down. Call our project hotline number so that I can coordinate uh, to try and help uh, get that remediated and um, they are pretty costly to replace so we appreciate if you nobody's pulling them out or anything like that. So, um, thank you for your coordination with that. Um, next uh, we will have a few mailboxes that are impacted with the project. Um, so that will require us to remove the existing mailboxes um, place temporary mailboxes um, in place of those in a location that we can work with you on. Um, there's only a few of those so I'm assuming most of you here are not impacted by that. Um, but Sarah will be on site coordinating, door knocking, checking in with you guys, make sure you're getting your mail. Um, and then that process is going smoothly. Um, so for our utility improvement work um, a large amount of this is going to be water main work um, at the north end of the project, as Colin indicated. Um we're going to be doing um about a half mile of water main or just under a half mile of water main. Um a lot of that's going to be trenchless water main to limit impacts um and try to make things a little more seamless, but there will be some open excavations and um some larger trenches. Um all this work will be protected and under traffic control. Um so please just keep uh as you're driving through the areas, try to avoid any of these trenched areas. Um I know it's kind of interesting to watch and there's a lot of large pipe that goes underground, so it's fun to watch the heavy equipment. Um Um but we'll try to wrap that up as quickly as possible. That's going to be the first phase of the project. Um we also have uh a decent amount of storm sewer replacement work. Most of it's spot replacement um which will require um some smaller excavations, but placing large structures underground backfilling. Um again, trenches in the roadway, they'll be protected by traffic control. Um so again, if you have any concerns or any questions about that, feel free to reach out um on that project hotline. Um the removal process is going to take uh a a few weeks or couple weeks per phase. Um in the video, we kind of touched on the equipment you should expect to see for pavement removal. Um the one on the right, you can see it's a milling machine. That's going to be affecting uh property south of Lake Road. Um they'll take out the first couple inches of pavement. They'll still be an existing pavement surface in place um that you can drive on and you'll still be able to utilize um a little less disruptive and the material gets directly thrown into a truck, so that gets pulled off. Um and then we on north of Lake Road, we're going to be doing full depth reclamation where we um actually pulverize all the existing pavement, get down into the base. That's going to be a little more impactful. It's going to require um some heavy equipment to do compaction and grading. It's going to take a little more time. All this work should be done under the uh the lane closures. Um there'll be some gravel surfaces at intersections. Um but we'll try to make that as uh seamless as possible. Um we'll also have full uh curb replacement along the entire length of the project. Um so there will be curb removed on the side opposite of what you're driving on. Again, it shouldn't impact you that much, but if you have any concerns about holes in the ground or anything like that, please give give us a call and Sarah will be able to help you. Um driveway impacts. So um we'll have two different type of driveway situations. We have our commercial driveways and residential driveways. Um there's a only a few limited residential driveways. We will be replacing a portion of everybody's driveway because we're removing all the curb along the project. Um we'll work with you to coordinate access as needed. Um there might be opportunities for street parking, temporary uh driveways um to get you into your driveway. Um but as we're going through that, Sarah will work with you all and make sure you can all have access um when you need it. Um and then also we have commercial driveways more towards the north end of the project, but uh it's pretty throughout. Um we try to construct some of these half at a time to give uh commercial properties access. Um that's a little uh more customer friendly. Um we we try to limit the impacts to people's businesses as much as possible. So again, Sarah will work with you as that comes up and we'll give you a notice before any of that work starts. Um so going back to a bit of the reclaiming where North Lake Road will be grinding up all the existing pavement, getting into the base, um we'll have some larger grading equipment out on site. So, on the left, you can see there's a grading machine. Um that'll be fine-tuning the the grade. It'll be running back and forth. Um it'll look a little slower process, but it's important and that'll uh it keeps uh that if you're seeing that machine, we're getting close to pavement. So, you're we're we're getting closer to the finish line here. Um and then on the right, you can see a vibratory roller. Um It makes a lot of noise. It's loud. All construction is, but um you shouldn't have too many impacts. Most of our roads are set back or most of our um the existing buildings along Woodlane are set back. So, they're really just more of a noise nuisance. So, um again, any concerns, reach out to Sarah at our hotline. Um a couple some improvements along the roadway, we're installing concrete refuge islands. So, these will be some improved crossings uh and they'll improve um pedestrian safety crossing the road, giving people refuge locations as they're uh crossing from our trails. Um so, they feel a little safer crossing the road. Um we're going to be doing these half at a time as well, so it should be limited impacts to traffic. Um as they're being constructed, there'll be some patches installed next to them. Um so, you might be driving near them during construction, so just be careful and cognizant. There'll be uh traffic control in place. Um So, it shouldn't have too much of an impact, but a a beneficial improvement to the community. Uh the paving process, there's going to be multiple um paving mobilizations for this project. Um it's going to be phase dependent. Some of the phases will do the paving work together or we'll break it out. There'll be an initial um base uh pavement layer that's installed. Um that gets installed, paved with one layer, rolled, um kind of how they outlined in the rehab video. Um it's going to be the same process for the final lift. Um once it's down, it's ready to be driven on in the next 30-40 minutes. Um there might be a a few interruptions at intersections. Um we'll try to keep access to everybody as consistently as possible. Hopefully, no more than 3-4 5-minute delays. Um there will be a significant amount of uh dump trucks during these phases hauling asphalt. Um they are going to be sneaking in and out of traffic. Um so, please just be careful if you see uh paving operations going on. Um and they might be a little disruptive. There might be 10-12 trucks queued up. So, uh just be careful as you're going through this uh driving through the project. Um we will be replacing a couple of retaining walls. Um again, not going to be super impactful to the residents here. Um there will be some trail impacts, though. Some um trail closures. So, there might be some short detours to get around this work. We are replacing all the trails along the length of the project. So, there will be detour routes for pedestrians as you're walking. So, maybe if you can find alternative routes to run and bike, it might be beneficial during the project. Um restoration. So, again, this is another one of those items where if you see topsoil, we're getting close to the finish line and we're getting ready to finish up. Um so, on the left, you can see a skid steer placing some topsoil. First, they'll place the topsoil, um then they'll put down seed, mulch, fertilizer. Um and then we'll put a protective uh erosion control blanket over the top to stabilize the existing soils. Um it's 100% biodegradable. Uh I would avoid driving your lawn mower over it for a while. Um maybe just even through the fall. Um the contractor's going to be maintaining the topsoil and the um uh turf establishment. So, try to avoid those areas with your lawn mowers um at least till the spring if you can help it. Um they will be out in the spring mowing and weed spraying and things like that. And we will be um if any areas aren't getting growth, we'll be out to make sure that it's uh reseeded and properly addressed. Um the city has pretty strict requirements on turf establishment. So, we like to see it green at the end of the project before we sign off on them. So, um they will also be out with water trucks watering. So, that it gets watered throughout the process as well. Um street and driveway access, we kind of touched base on this. Um you will see some saw cuts in your existing driveways. Um that might start really early and it they might not remove the driveway for a while. But again, Sarah will be out communicating with you all through the process, making sure that you're informed. Um our commercial driveways, sometimes we do them at half at a time to maintain access like I talked. They'll be temporary um uh disruptions to traffic. But we'll work with you the best we can. Um we will have the sections barricaded off at the driveways. So, if you see cones in front of your driveway, please don't drive over the existing the new curb. Um it takes multiple days for it to cure and harden to a level that you can drive on it. So, if you see new concrete, it's been 2 days, you drive on it, it might crack anyways. Then we're pulling it out and we're restarting the process. So, please avoid those um concrete areas until the barriers are removed. And again, we'll keep you updated. If you're concerned about access, call Sarah. She can get back to you very quickly. Um pavement markings, this is the kind of the last item uh pavement markings and signage. Most of the paint will go down under lane closures. So hopefully we can avoid um wet paint on open roads. But if you do see a paint truck spraying paint on the road, please uh ahead of you as you're driving, please don't drive on those new stripes. Uh I'm trying to avoid them. It will bleed some of that paint. Might not do anything to your vehicle. Maybe it'll splatter a little bit, but just avoid it if you can if you see those kind of vehicles. Um there will also be a bunch of little glass beads on the ground. If you drive over those, those are fine. They do no harm. They're just little balls for reflectivity. So um yep. Uh yeah, no concerns with the glass. Um expectations for pavement. So as we all know, it gets cold here in the winter. Um we have a freeze-thaw cycle and it affects the pavement the or the condition of the pavement. Um as we get into the spring, we might start seeing some reflective or some cracking in the pavement. That's normal. Um especially with some of these rehabilitation processes. Um so the city does do have a crack filling um program and they will repair those, but uh nothing to be concerned about. Um expectations throughout the project. Uh so we do have a set schedule uh that the contractor we try to hold them to. Um and keep things moving as efficiently as possible, but we do see weather delays and some things happen that aren't expected. So we will try to keep everything on track uh moving forward. If you have a question on schedules, call Sarah. Um we do know that the construction is an inconvenience, so we're going to work with you as much as we can uh keep this things moving efficiently um and try to get us through this all together quickly. We don't want things to linger on any more than you do, so um please, yeah, if you have any concerns, always call us. Um there is going to be some exposed gravel, and with that, we do see dust. Um we're we it's it's inevitable. It's we're going to have some dust kicking up, so we we're we have measures in place to kind of keep that under control. Um we we'll spray water down on the road, keep dust down. If you have concerns, again, you might get some dust in your vehicles or on the surfaces of your vehicles if you're parking outside. Um so, uh it's just inevitable, and we do what we can to keep it down. Uh construction safety is obviously number one priority um for residents in the community as well as the construction staff. So, please drive slow as you're going through the zone. Um if you see anything that seems like a safety concern, feel free to give us a call. Um and again, for resident access, I think we touched on a few times, so we'll coordinate with you. Uh keep you all informed. Um and then finally, a couple of things to avoid. Um so, the bottom photo, um that's that tack coat they talk about in the existing or in the rehab video. That stuff's really sticky. If you drive over that with your vehicle, it'll stick to your tires. It might spray up onto your uh paint, and it can cause some issues. If you drive on it and go on your driveway, it'll leave a tarry tarry substance on your driveway. So, if you see that down, pavement's coming right after that, so try to avoid. Um in the top right, you can see a footprint in the concrete. If you see tape around concrete, please please don't go in there. There's a reason it's there. It takes I mean, a day it really after a day, you can walk on it, but if it's within the same day, you you're a good chance you'll leave um a footprint. And we do put a curing compound over the top, so it messes with the curing and it's just no good. Um so, please avoid car wet concrete as much as you can. Um I already talked about on the top left. Please, if there's new concrete down, don't drive on your driveways until the barricades are removed. Um if you drive on fresh concrete, it's going to crack. It's going to have to come out and it's going to we're going to have to do it again, so um bear with us. It's going to take a little bit of time, but uh we'll get through it. That's everything I have. Thanks for listening. Thank you, Alec. Yes. All right. So, now we'll kind of touch over some of the frequently asked questions that we tend to see um with these types of projects. Um so, we kind of mentioned before in the beginning a little bit, the project we are anticipating to start on May 26th, so the day after Memorial Day. Um that's when our contractor's going to come out and start mobilizing and get the project rolling. Um so, you'll start to see detours be put up and so, just be prepared for that once we get to that point. Um and again, this uh the streets, they will be open during the construction. Our contractor will be kind of working one from one side to the other, keeping one-way traffic available during construction. Um there will be detours that will allow everybody to kind of go the other direction, so they can get to the other side of Woodlane Drive. Um so, just we ask that you follow those detours and be safe that way. Contractors are uh typically working from 7:00 to 7:00 um Monday through Fridays. They do have the ability to work Saturdays as well, and some contractors take advantage of that. Some don't. Um so, if you do see work on a Saturday, um it's perfectly normal and they're just trying to get ahead of some things. Um, there's a chance that they may start just a tad early or finish up a little bit late if they're kind of ending a task a little bit later throughout the day or they're trying to just get some of their equipment started, um, to get going right away in the morning. Um, you may experience some of that, but it's uh it's pretty normal, but um traditionally they'll be working kind of from 7:00 to 7:00. Uh, I touched on this quite a bit too, the driveway access. Um, we will be able to provide access to everybody generally until we start doing that curb work. Um, that's when we'll have to we'll be working with everybody who needs access and we'll make sure that uh proper solution is provided to everybody who needs that access. Uh, turf restoration, uh, like we said, we will be making sure that fresh seed, fresh dirt is put down behind all the curbs that gets replaced. Um, and our contractor will be maintaining that and making sure that it meets our standard. Um, so I definitely encourage everybody to you know, once it's put in, if they can water, that'd be great. Um, but it will still also be our contractor's responsibility. So, it will be part of that project and might go into the spring depending on how everything is able to establish. Um, our mail and garbage services, so we are working with uh, postage and the garbage to make sure that our routes are unaffected and that mail can still be, um, processed daily. Um, if there are a couple of mailboxes that do need to be temporarily relocated, we will work with that resident and make sure that the location is well understood and that the access to that is provided. And again, our video kind of touched on it, but make sure touch on it again. Um, with these projects, if there are private utilities like irrigation systems that end up to be on the back of the curb line, um, there's a very good chance that those would get impacted with our project with the removals and installation of new curb. Um, so in those situations, um, if you have those types of private utilities behind the curb or if you're part of an HOA that might have those types of uh, utilities there, um, we've greatly encourage that you reach out to our hotline, um, where Sarah will be able to meet out with you on site and just kind of make sure that um, that everything is understood in terms of boundaries and limits and that, um, you got that the residents owners can kind of understand the best uh, step forward with that work. >> [snorts] >> And this question does come up a little bit, you know, when contractor is on site, they're doing all this work, you think maybe they could do our driveway, too? Um, well, unfortunately, uh, contractors nowadays, they, uh, express that they are not uh, willing to do that type of work with these projects. Um, the contractors that are coming in here, they're coming in with equipment that's like it's really big and their goal and focus is to be efficient with the main project at hand. And also trying to do these private drives, it kind of slows down their overall project process as well. So, um, that's something that this now they don't do that, they don't practice that anymore. So, as nice as it would be, uh, they will not be doing that for these types of projects. So, I went through a lot, um, and so we're almost at the end. Just kind of wanted let everyone know here the other projects that we have going on in the city. It's going to be another very busy year like last year. Uh so, we definitely appreciate everyone's patience as we get through this. Um we for some roadway projects that we have going on, um there's going to be a uh neighborhood rehabilitation project is happening got about 5 mi of roadway that we're redoing um over in the neighborhood just west of Tower Drive. So, we have that project that's active right now. Um Bailey Road is seeing a lot of activity this year. We have a new water uh tower getting put up over at the Settlers Ridge uh roundabout or intersection. And on top of that, the county is constructing a roundabout at that Bailey Road and Settlers Ridge intersection. So, that work will be taking place this year. And the state is also constructing a roundabout on Bailey Road and Manning Avenue. So, Bailey Road has seen a lot of activity. And then we also have a fiber to the home project with Intrepid. Um it's like a 3-year project that they'll be working through the city just to provide that infrastructure for any resident who's interested in connecting. >> [snorts] >> And then we also have our water treatment projects. So, we've got three active construction projects for that. We have more work on Bailey Road, surprise. Um got from Radio Drive all the way over to Woodbury Drive. Um that is active as well right now and is getting wrapped up pretty quickly. Um we've also got work on Valley Creek Road from Interlachen Parkway all the way to Cottage Grove Drive. Just putting in more pipe to connect our system together. And then we have some work along Pioneer Drive and Hargis Parkway all south of Bailey Road um kind of wrapping around Eastridge High School where we'll make that final connection to the water treatment plant that is currently being uh built right now and is scheduled to hopefully be done in 2028. So, that concludes the presentation. I thank everybody for coming. I know that we were also live streaming this as well. So, now we will open this up for kind of just a open house setting. So, we'll kind of end this presentation, turn this off, and then we will be around to answer any other questions that you may have. So, thank you everybody. >> [clears throat] >> Oh. >> [clears throat]