Good evening. Welcome to the city of Wedberry City Council meeting for today, July 22nd, 2026. We are meeting here in person in the council chambers. It is 7:30 p.m. Um, this meeting is also being recorded by True Lens Community Media. It's broadcast and replayed on cable channel 799 and the mediums are also available on the city of Woodbury YouTube channel. Um, as we always uh do, please join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Um, Angela, would you please do the roll call, please? >> Council member Morris, >> the mic is on. >> Mics are on. I hope the speakers are on back there if they're working. Is this any better if I go close to the mic? >> Okay, that seems a little better. So, I'll just kind of lean this way a little bit. Um, okay. Angela, would you please do the roll call? >> Council member Morris >> here. >> Council member Santini >> here. >> Council member Wilson >> here. >> Council member Stafford >> here. >> Mayor Bert >> here. We are all here tonight, so we're able to conduct tonight's business. Um we do not have any special order of business. So we'll move right into open forum. Uh this is how the open forum works. Um this is a portion of the meeting where we where we allow up to three people to speak on uh subjects which are not part of the meeting agenda. So these green sheets, some of you have filled these out, they're here before you. Um two parts of the meeting. One is open forum and that's identified here. We have other green sheets coming up later from when we have uh the public hearing regarding uh the roadway construction. So, right now I have before me just three sheets for the open forum. Um, you'll be invited up. Please state your name and your city of residence for the record. We do not need your full address any longer. Um, speakers are limited to three minutes each. The council does listen attentively, but in most cases, we do not respond at the meeting. Um, if there's something specific or hasn't been responded to before, replies to the concerns will be uh made via letter or phone call within a week. Um, we also have to help you keep track of the time for their three minutes. We have this timer system. So over here you'll see a threeminut timer. We have a little light system at the podium. Green, yellow, red, green, go, yellow when there's one minute left and then it'll turn red. Now, we also have an audio. Uh there's a slight, you know, not not too miserable listening to a little chirp to let you know that the three minutes is up. So, we'll ask uh just helps it all keep on track. I take these in order. They've been timestamped as to when they people showed up. So, again, I'll just go in order. So, first I have up is Charles Dicks. Um, my name is Charles Dixs and I live in Woodbury for the past nine years. I'm here tonight to ask you to pass a proposed resolution on taking a stand against ICE activities and cooperation with ICE and allowing them to use facilities in the city. The reason for doing so now is more urgent as it was even from the beginning of the year since the surge. 23 people have been shot by ICE, six are dead, and three of those were American citizens. All of these shootings are under investigation and all the ICE viol violations shootings so far have been found by the court to be unjustified and some of these officers have been charged with perjury. ICE operations continue in the truin cities and Woodbury and it's clear that as we get closer to the midterm elections, Trump um intends to use ICE and DOJ officials to flood into blue states and in particular California and Minnesota to subvert our election process. After two years, when Trump says he is going to do something, regardless of how lawless it is, we need to take him at his word. It is now time for the council to take a stand before Woodbury uh a Woodberry citizen is also shot. In the latest shooting in Houston, ICE agents were operating in unmarked cars wearing masks, but not wearing any body cameras. They performed a reckless traffic stop that put innocent bystanders at risk and killed a man. The only contraband substance they found was a bag of salt that had been used to help the workers during the heat wave. We have seen countless examples of icebreaking into homes without legal warrants and arresting people who are legally the here or were US citizens. The crux of the issue here is that our government is not following the law and constitution. They were and they are ordering police, immigration officers and border patrol agents to vi violate them as well. I served in the US Army 40 years ago. I was a military policeman. My company was sent to Honduras for 6 months for a special deployment. We were told nothing other than we were told to guard an air force base in that country. But our actual mission was to escort trans escort and tr uh escort and transport loaded weapons for Contras in Nicaragua. At the time I was there, I was unaware of the full scope of what was going on since it was not until 1986 after I had completed my service and left that the entire il illegal oper operation was understood. As a result of this, my deployment never officially happened and was never recognized by Congress since it was part of an illegal operation conducted by the president. We came under fire on several occasions and several of my fellow MPs were injured and to this day none of us qualify for veteran support or assistance since that deployment never officially happened. Yet today we have ICE officers uh no soldier I'm sorry no soldier or police officer should ever be put into a situation where their leaders force them to choose between the service and fellow soldiers their fellow soldiers or officers or our oath to defend the Constitution. I believe I know I I believe I had been chosen I would not have been deployed. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Dixs. Appreciate that. Uh, next up, Jeff Reth. >> Well, thank you, Mayor. Good evening, council, Mr. D. My name is Jeffrey Reag. I'm joined by my wife, Julie, and by Amy Kollister. Amy is also a Woodbury resident and on the Woodbury Chamber Foundation board. The Angels of Hope Woodbury is soon coming up on its third anniversary. Hard to believe, three years. As I think you all know, the Angels of Hope is a memorial entirely created and dedicated to remember and honor children that have died too soon. The Angels of Hope is now home to the names and the memory of 108 children. Children that every single day are dearly missed and always in our hearts. As we reflect on this anniversary, I think it's important to once again communicate to all of you. On behalf of now the hundreds of people who are personally and deeply connected to the Angels of Hope, a big thank you. A big thank you for the cooperation, support, and love you have provided the Angels of Hope from the very beginning. Um, we could not ask for more. The city of Woodbury and the Woodbury Community Foundation have been wonderful and much appreciated partners. This year, our annual ceremony will take place on August 20th, 6 p.m. at the Angel of Hope site, which is located, of course, right across from the Vets Memorial. Um, if your schedule permit, and I know it has in the past, please do try to attend again. So, with that, I'll turn things over to Amy Collister for a few additional comments. >> Thank you. >> Good evening. This month marks my um marks 10 years of being a uh member of the Woodbury community and I am, as Jeff mentioned, honored to serve on the Woodbury Community Foundation. But the most important reason I'm standing before you this evening is that I'm a parent whose child is amongst those 108 names on plaques at Our Angel of Hope. In my journey through grief, it has meant more than I can even begin to express to have my daughter's name, Abby, memorialized at the Angel of Hope. It's such a beautiful place of hope, remembrance, and community. Through the angel, I have also met other parents walking the same path and those connections have given me profound strength. I will be forever grateful to you, mayor, to this entire council, and to the entire city of Woodbury for making the Angel of Hope possible. Thank you for creating a place where families like mine can remember and find hope. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sharon. Thank you. Uh, next up is Chris Hullbrook. >> Hi. Uh, excuse me. My name is Chris Hullbrook. I'm a Woodbury resident. I have been for six years. And I'm coming here tonight to ask for a public hearing um on the flock contract, the uh license plate readers. I can't get through everything tonight. If anyone wants copies of this, I can email it. I have 20 instances of offenses by flock. I've had some great conversations with u public safety commander Aaronburgg about the situation in Woodbury and uh I'm not here to impugn the integrity of the Woodbury police or the council at all. Flock Corporation is a different story. There was a kind of a blockbuster article yesterday in the Star Tribune about the offenses that they have committed by accessing license plate data unauthorized in Minnesota cities specifically during Metro Surge. 30 agencies in the city uh eight eight cities were um scanned by federal agents. There are uh front door, side door, and back door. without getting into all of that which is in one of these articles by the University of Washington. This um company is granting access unauthorized and on multiple occasions. I have concerns about fourth amendment and first amendment. Um Supreme Court has ruled that they u police need a warrant to do a geoence search. This is very similar. I know you don't have privacy on public roads, but this uh especially from the Star Tribune article shows about the intimidation and deterrence of people protesting who can be tracked and were tracked. There have been just in the last week 10 officers nationwide fired or fined or under an investigation for misusing their access to the Flock license plate camera system. In California, um, Mountain View terminated their contract for this exact same reason. Illinois, Secretary of State said there were 4,000 lookups by, uh, CPP. Colorado, Denver had the exact same situation. There have been, uh, several mistakes. LAPD just canceled their contract because of false uh, hits. There was a local story July 9th in Plymouth, the wrong target was surrounded by a bunch of police officers. They also lie. The CEO, Garrett Langley of Flock, has publicly said that some of their statements have provided inaccurate information, such as when they told Ashkosh Wisconsin that they do not track um vehicles. They just take pictures. That was proven untrue, which caused Ashkosh to cancel their their program. I I asked about some discrepancies with with Commander Erin Berg. Woodbury policy 425 states that this information can be used for homeland security. The transparency portal says it can't be. I'm still confused on that. The uh Commander Amber did say on the transparency portal it was whittleled down to zero today based on all of these um offenses after last week there were 67 police departments accessing our data. So I want to review uh a public hearing and a vote um on this matter please. Okay. You bring up something important that I don't think has been a lot of publicly addressed is do is our do we have our is our police chief here tonight? Oh, in bed. Do you would you like to again in disclosure and providing information to the public when an issue gets raised like this? Is there anything you would like to add or say to that? Or if not, we'll move on. But do you please Thank you, Mayor Bert. Good evening, city council members. Um, and I want to appreciate Chris for for the ongoing dialogue um with Commander Aaronburgg and and just that communication is appreciated him reaching out and his engagement in this. You know, I want to talk about the ultimately that this is a new technology. Um, since we've started using this technology, we have seen a significant reduction in stolen vehicles, police pursuits, and damage to city property. We've been very thoughtful in terms of our development of this program, the placement of the devices, specifically around commercial and retail um locations. We're continuing to look at how we evaluate the system. Earlier this year, I would highlight a audit that we went through through the Bureau Criminal Apprehension um an outfit that they outsource with called the Minnesota Security Consortium. They took a look at our department policy procedures, our records retention, data security and access control, our logs, our notifications to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehensions, and also our breach notification policy. So, we pass with flying colors through that audit. Um, no issues were identified. We're also continuing to look at in researching and evaluating u making sure that this product is being used for its intended purpose as well. Um so we' previously had a sharing radius of 100 miles around Woodbury in which we were sharing information with um other law enforcement agencies. Um out of an abundance of caution, we have restricted all access to Woodbury data from outside agencies as Chris mentioned. Um so the new procedure is if anybody wants to look at our Woodbury data, um they have to make a formal request including the case number and the reason for making that request. Woodbury supervisor reviews and approves that request and it's documented if data was um or was not shared and there's also an auditing process. So kind of specific to the article that came out regarding Malax County um we conducted an internal audit of access to Woodbury data by outside agencies and involved 67 agencies all within that 100 mile radius of Woodbury. We also contacted agencies who were who were within that circumference who encircums who have a 287g agreement with immigration enforcement. Um that's effectively a partnership which allows an agency to um enforce act as an enforcement agent of immigration. Um so of those um including Max County, we verified that we did not re that they did not receive any Woodbury automatic license plate reader data that was used for immigration enforcement. So again, out of an abundance of caution, um we have limited our duh access to Woodbury data and um have implemented a process in which there's um much more uh you know kind of checks and balances in terms of process in terms of those requests coming in. Um so we um that's those are some of the the moves that we have made in order to further secure the system and secure our Woodbury data. >> Okay. Thank you. And anything from council members? All right. I appreciate just having a yeah a little more um information on it as uh it does some of sometimes it does raise some question of the public. I appreciate that extra you did mention that 287g can you just clarify that and what that is and I don't believe we have that is that correct can you just clarify? Yeah. So, to uh we do not um I don't believe there's any agencies inside the immediate metro area that do. There are some um counties that are outside the metro that do um have signed on to those 287g agreements with immigration enforcement. Um but we have not. >> Okay. Thank you. Thanks. I appreciate you being here for that. Um all right, that's it for the um open forum. I uh we're now going to move on to the consent agenda. Um just important to share the consent agenda just contains a routine um items before the council. We enact this by one motion um and then do a roll call on it. Um important to know though that if anyone ever wanted or looked at the agenda and said, "I've got an issue with that." The the public is more than welcome to have an item pulled and have further discussion. But again, we treat these as very routine, not worth going through every single item and voting one by one. Again, it can be pulled at any time by anyone in the public or by council members. So, I always just uh reach out to the public and ask if anybody wants anything pulled. If you've read it, reviewed it and want to have it further discussed, we can. Seeing that we don't, I then turn to council members. Does anyone want to have anything pulled from consent? >> I do. >> Okay. Council Wilson, >> 6D is in dog, please. >> Okay. So, we'll remove 6D. Is anyone have anything else? >> D. Did you say >> D is in dog? Anything else? If not, um, of course we have all, uh, had a chance to review all this. This information came to us in packets on Friday. It's all available also available to the public since Friday. Um, but that said, again, we've reviewed it all. We know what's before us. So, I'll ask the council to put forth a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda items 6A through 6H with the exception of item 6D as presented. >> I'll second. >> Motion a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. The roll call, please. >> Council member Santini, >> I. >> Council member Wilson, >> I. >> Council member Stafford, >> I. Council member Morris, >> I. >> Mayor Burton, >> I. Um, that passes except for 16. Let me ask Council Member Wilson. Is this something quick? Vote differently or otherwise I will move it to discussion toward the end. >> Discussion. >> Move it to discussion. Okay. Somebody help me remember because out of order on the agenda. >> Is someone here's going to leave? >> Okay. If you were just waiting for that, then I would just say go. We could discuss it and go. All right. >> Okay. Now, we will then move on to the public hearing. This is what I think many of you I'm just guessing because there's a lot of you here that you might be present for this. So, let me share how this works because it works a little bit differently than the open form that we just listened to. So, in order to allow a full airing of speaker comments, individual remarks may not exceed 10 minutes. So, different than the first part, but um but we typically allow um well, if there's more than three green sheets, 10 minutes each means 30 minutes. So, we do maximize the entire time to about 30 minutes. So, thus far, let me just share. I have one, two, three, four, five green sheets that we'd like to get through in 30 minutes time. So basically it means on average everyone gets about five minutes. Okay, if somebody needed to take 10, okay, that's maybe allowed early on, but just asking a lot of times we hear the same thing. So you may not need the full time, but again, we want to give everyone a chance to speak, but we do try to hold it within 30 minutes. So does that make sense? I think for the most part people don't get up and ramble for 10, but you can if you want as long as we try to make hit hit it at 30. So, um, same as be same as what happened before. Um, we'll ask you to come up, state your name and your city of residence for the record. Um, always when there's a group of people, we remarks or points um, made by someone else should not be repeated. You can just say you agree. Um, speakers are also encouraged to coordinate presentations if necessary. you want to do that or you're going to say the same thing. But uh we always ask that we always in addition ask that you refrain from applause or other expressions of emotion whether in favor of or opposition to any part any particular application or argument. We don't uh allow for inappropriate language, outbursts or criticisms aimed at individuals or groups. Um so that's kind of the the ground rules but we thank you all for being here. Um with that here's the topic for tonight in the public hearing. It is the consider the consider the approval of public improvement hearing the 2027 roadway reconstruction project and there are um items under it approve their preliminary report order the project authorized preparation of plans authorized preparation acquisition if necessary of condemnation and easements so with that I'm announcing that the hearing is open and we'll take these in order that we received them um >> oh yeah we have a presentation first sorry sorry Mike It's open. Go ahead, Mike. Share with us what we're here to hear. >> Thank you, mayor and members of council. Um, so my name is Mike Keen. I'm the assistant city engineer here to present the 2027 roadway reconstruction project. Uh this is the public improvement hearing tonight where um we are going to be requesting council to um approve the preliminary report. Um order the project, select the consultant, order plans and specifications and authorize preparation, acquisition and if necessary condemnation of easements. So the project location, this is the Woodbury Heights neighborhood. So we've got a star here on the map of Woodbury. So this is the far northwest corner of Woodberry. So, it's all of these streets in red um are included in this reconstruction project. Uh we've had quite a bit of public process so far. Um we kicked off the um neighborhood questionnaire in September of 2025 with some information about the project um proposed scope and some estimated assessments. Um and then followed up with our first neighborhood meeting last November. Um and then a second neighborhood meeting here a couple of months ago, May 28th. Uh, we've also had a few check-ins with council. Um, back in January of 2025, um, staff presented at a council workshop, um, pedestrian connections, uh, to be considered as part of this project. Um, and there was, uh, an action to order the preliminary report back in September of 2025. So, general project scope, um, this will be a very large project. So we are um proposing full water man and service replacement um sanitary sewer replacement or lining and um and service replacement throughout the project. Um with that we would um also have storm sewer replacement um and some storm water quality improvements um which would require a full street reconstruction. Um there's also some trail rehabilitation in some of the um parks that are within this neighborhood area. Um we're proposing a pedestrian crossing enhancement at Meadow Lane and Upper Afton Road and then two parking lots to be rehabilitated um at Upper Rafon Road Fire Station and then uh Shny Park. So the need for this project, it's there's really three things that are kind of triggering um where we're what's driving the scope of this project. So this is um the average road condition of the the neighborhood. So throughout the neighborhood, the average payment condition index PCI is 26 and that's out of 100. Um you can see up here we've got a lot of the streets here are yellow and red which are between zero and um 39 PCIs. So um this picture here is a pretty representation I would say. There are some streets better, some worse um but some potholes showing up um a lot of alligator cracking. So the pavement is um in need of replacement. This is also a neighborhood where we see quite a bit of water mane breaks. >> So, we've got two areas that are really highlighted here. You might remember this is Royal Oaks. So, this was all addressed um in 23 and 24. So, the other neighborhood here, this is the Woodbury Heights neighborhood that's circled here that's got quite a few um water main breaks. These are some of the older neighborhoods in Woodbury that have um cast iron pipe um that's really at the end of its its useful life. Another issue we see in this neighborhood is um sanitary sewer um root intrusion. Um so you can see here this is um a picture of what root intrusion would look like. So this is an area where um public works spends significant amount of time cleaning out these roots. Um the roots obviously are blocking flow. So um creating a major um maintenance issue there. Um and then further they are as they grow into these joints they're expanding which um is triggering a lot of the sanitary is in need of not only lining but a lot of it replacement because the joints have separated to a point where they can't be lined anymore. So um some major sanitary issues in this neighborhood as well. >> Mike, just for an example, what is d the diameter of that pipe? I don't know how I mean it looks like it could be six feet tall, but I don't know what is it. >> Good question. Um most sanitary um pipes in the neighborhoods all throughout Woodbury 8 inches. So this is 8 in 8 in >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> So with that um proposed scope, this would be a very impactful project where um we would expect um some significant roadway and boulevard impacts um like I had mentioned before, lining and replacement of sanitary sewer and then replacing the services which could extend up to 25 ft behind the curb. Um and then 190 trees roughly are estimated for removal. And again, that's all driven by the utility needs that are in this um neighborhood. Um any tree that's removed, we will replace wherever feasible. >> Can I just ask what that mean? >> Sure. So >> I asked what that meant. >> Sorry. >> So we have to be careful not to put them where they're going to be on top of a a service or something. So or on top of water man. So um there are some trees that right now are planted too close to like a sanitary sewer. So we wouldn't necessarily put it back where it was because we don't want root intrusion back in the sanitary sewer. So we'll be reviewing to make sure that where we plant trees isn't going to create a hazard in the future. >> And and currently like the sanitary sewer is under the roadway currently >> mostly. Um, I'd say there's some that are in kind of backyards and sideyards. Um, and then some are closer to the curb line, but typ Yeah, typically under the road. Yep. >> So, like that one example that we had, was that in the roadway or was that in someone's backyard or sideyard or I just I just want to make sure that we're going to get the trees replanted, the ones that were taking down. And I know we left it open to when fees if it's feasible. So, >> so members of the council, I'll add to this. So that picture that's there is one of the sanitary mains. It's an 8 in main that goes through the the neighborhood. A lot of times you also get root intrusions on the services that go from the main into the home. And typically those are 4 in. Sometimes older communities have it with a 6-in pipe going to the mains. >> Um what Mike is referring to is sometimes we have to take the tree out because it's too close to the service as it is. As we put it back in, we want to make sure not to exacerbate that problem. The other thing you get in older neighborhoods is if you notice Royal Oaks, we took a lot of trees similar to this project. There's still a lot of trees remaining. But what that means is as those trees grew, they shaded out some of those areas. And so you also be have to cognizant of if you plant a tree, you want it to survive out in the location that's planted. So there's a lot of thought going behind this. Our rule of thumb has always been plant as many trees as we possibly can fit back in there. That makes sense so it doesn't cause undue burdens to either the city or the homeowners following construction. >> Great. Thank you. >> And I'll add in Roy Oaks, we planted more trees than we replaced. That would be our goal with this project. I just can't necessarily say we'll put them back exactly where we took them out. >> Understood. Thank you. >> We're also looking at some storm water um improvements, storm water quality improvements. So, um, in some of these older neighborhoods, um, they don't have ponds. And so, um, to assist with, um, storm water treatment. Um, this is something that we did with Royal Oaks where we, um, ask residents if they would be interested in a rain garden in their front yard to kind of help with, um, storm water quality and then we would also plant, um, the garden for them. So, it's a volunteer program if people are interested. So, um, we'll also be um, doing that as a part of this project. And then that pedestrian crossing enhancement that I mentioned, this was something that came up at um some of our neighborhood meetings. Some of the concerns we had up was was crossing. So this is along Upper Afton Road. So it's actually just a little bit outside of the project area, but Martha Lane is included in this project. And so um as a part of this project, we um are proposing to do a a crossing enhancement on Upper Afton Road. for cl for clarification. Did I thought you said you were going to do a uh at Meadow Lane, but is it Martha or Meadow or both? >> Uh Martha Lane. Sorry if I said Meadow. Martha Lane is correct. >> So, we have several different funding sources for this project. Um, with this being a full street reconstruction project, um, we're going to see, um, quite a bit, about 8.6 million, um, being funded through the street reconstruction maintenance fund. Um, we'll also have, um, about 2.8 million from storm water utility fund. Um, and then again with the water and sanitary sewer. We are looking at close to $8 million in um, those utility costs. Um, parks and trails replacement fund. This is to replace um one parking lot and then like I said some neighborhood um park trails. Um and then the capital improvement fund that is for the upper road fire station and then assessments at roughly $5 million for the project um which is about 20% of the total project cost. >> Again, I just want to I just want to question that 20%. Um it's 20% of the total project cost, but there are things in there that we are putting in there that residents wouldn't be required to pay like the trails uh that comes out of the parks and trails, the parking lots for the fire station and things like that. So of the of the total road assessment, they are being assessed 33% of the things that they should be paying for, >> right? And um it's actually slightly less than 33%. So 33% is what the policy would say. So that's what was calculated. Um we also had a benefit appraisal done which adjusted that lower. Um so I don't know what that percentages but it's lower than the 33% of the street and um service costs >> for all for all properties or just the um um commercial. >> All of the properties had their um calculated assessments. All the residential properties had their um assessments reduced based on the appraisal versus the calculated amount. >> Um council members, I have a special request. I and maybe I shouldn't have, but I asked the question about the size of the sewer line because I thought it was pertinent at the time. But we do have the opportunity to speak after the um hearing is closed. So if there's something pertaining, you got a quick thing, but otherwise I would just ask that we we as council hold off until our till it's closed and we handle those as we normally do. Is that okay? >> All right. Thanks. Carry on, please. >> Um, so we followed uh the roadway construction rehabilitation finance policy um which is a council directive that um determines how these um projects are assessed. So as I'd mentioned um we look at a benefit appraisal um and then we also calculated based on the policy um and that cost is distributed on a per unit basis. So, every house that's getting the same service is is assessed the same amount and the city funds the remaining. Um, and we assess that over a 15-year assessment term. So, special assessments, they're are charged that are imposed on properties for certain improvement. Um, and they benefit the owners of those improvements and they are levy that the city uses to finance or partially finance um public improvements. So this map here shows which properties are being um assessed and and what the assessment is going to be. So there's a number of different um colors here on this map um because there's there's some different things that are happening. So we try to apply the a policy fairly throughout the neighborhood. So So for example, Upper and Cro Cove um is not being assessed for services. That neighborhood was built in the '9s and so um the water and saniter will not be replaced with this project because they're in much better shape than the rest of the neighborhood and should are not expected to need maintenance for for many more years. Um we also have one property here on Willow Lane um that their sanitary comes off of Upper Afton Road, but their water comes off of Willow Lane. So um they are only receiving a water man or a water service. And then one property here on Martha Lane where they're getting services replaced, but their driveway is off of Upper Afton Road. So they were assessed with the upper Afton Road project um consistent with the policy where um the assessment is based on kind of where driveway access is. And this is the value of those assessments. Um so they range from about $12,350 to those properties that are um in orange. That's the majority that are getting um storm street storm and service replacement. Um down to about 2,000 for that one property that's only getting um the service replacement. And then commercial properties again vary quite a bit based on the size of those parcels um from about a,000 to about $100,000. There will be um an assessment hearing held prior to the project being awarded um which would likely be sometime in the spring of 2027. Um, following that, there would be a 30-day no interest payment period. Um, if residents choose not to pay it within that 30 days, then payments can be made over 15 years. Um, and the first payment would be due at the first half of the property taxes in 2028. Um, and the interest rate will be determined um, prior to the assessment hearing. Um, and it's based on several factors including the city bond rating. So proposed schedule would be tonight um for um city council to approve the preliminary report um and or the project and then if that happens then bids would be opened January of 2027 with another neighborhood meeting following bids and then the assessment hearing in March of 27 um with uh the last neighborhood meeting happening before construction in April and then construction starting uh May of 27 and then likely extending into 2028. It's slightly smaller than Roy Oak, so we wouldn't expect a full two years, but um it's likely it would likely extend into a second year of construction. We do have a inouch where um property owners can sign up to receive um updates on neighborhood meetings um and and updates to the project. Um and then we also have my contact information um on our project website. So the recommended actions um we are asking council to adopt the resolution to order the project which requires a super super majority um approve the feasibility report and select consultant for final design and authorized preparation of plans and specifications and authorized preparation and acquisition of easements. And with that we'll open up to questions. >> Thank you. Did anything else super come to mind right now that we need to ask or otherwise I'll hold off. Okay then. And uh with the hearing being open, I will now invite the public up uh with their green sheets. I hope I can pronounce these names right. Sometimes it's hard to read the writing, but I think it's Jim Nal. Yes, you I've got you first on the list. And um just as a note, Angela did start the 30 minute clock, which you can pause in between speakers. So um carry on. Welcome. >> Yeah. Good evening. Jim Canal. I've lived in Woodbury for quite a few years. Um, I guess my first question is, is it is this project going to be handled privately or by the city of Woodbury? I guess I'm asking. >> Yeah, normally we don't do a back and forth, but if this is pretty basic question to answer pretty easily, >> it would be publicly bid. So, it would be a contractor would the city would hire to do the project. >> Okay. And that is typical for these big redway projects. We don't have the staff to be able to correct actually do the entire project. >> Yeah. And and so any specifics about the construction as far as how it's going to affect everybody commuting in and out of their neighborhood probably can't be answered here tonight. >> Right. Can you just address how you've done public communication on on this? What that process looks like? >> Yes. So there will be future meetings that will be closer to construction. Right now we're at um I would even say it's 30%. We're very early in the design process. So any specific questions about design impacts? Um we'll nail those down here over the next few months and then we'll have future meetings um with the neighborhood where we'll be able to go over specific impacts with construction. >> Probably half the half the streets at a time. I mean one half of the roadway at a time I guess so people can get in and out. Um >> and you do things like move mailboxes or what have you. I mean, there's a whole thing that'll get laid out and a communication plan and a phone number to call and all kinds. >> Correct. Yeah. >> And and the assessment is that specific to the amount of curb you have in front of your home or you kind of explain that a little bit where um kind of depends on the situation where your home is that that fee would vary or is that spec is that going to be a specific amount for everybody? >> Go ahead Mike. So every property that's has the same scope of work. So if you have the street and services replaced in front of your house, they're all assessed the same regardless of what your frontage is. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> So if you live on a corner lot and have a lot more street around you, you're not paying more. You don't it's evenly split. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I guess those answer my questions for now. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. >> All right. >> Oh, now now I have uh Bill Braun. Uh, hello, Mayor Burke, and thank Jeff and council and and thank you for your service. My name is Phil Braun. Uh, I live over in Precinct One in the Heights, uh, in Woodbury. And, uh, I'm old, so I went through this process back in '94, the last time you guys did this. Um, uh, and I really appreciated the transparency and the meetings and the ability to ask questions. And so I'm really bringing up seven questions again that I've already brought up to the city that I don't think I've gotten adequate answers back for. And first was back in '94, we had the option for some optional add-ons when the city did the project, which was great. So we were able to use the scope and scale of the city's project to add things uh that actually improved our our property and and and improved our neighborhood and was less expensive than buying uh those improvements. peace meal. Second, we've in particular asked for the price of a sewer cleanout because we've all experienced the sewer cleanout problems and these older 1957 houses and that while these sewer lines are open, how I know a number of our neighbors have put these sewer cleanouts in and it's a rather expensive thing. How much would it cost while they've got all the pipes and everything dug up if I wanted to clean out on my sewer line so they don't have to clean it out from inside our basement? >> Can I do you mind I'm just going to pause you there to explain Mike. Would you just explain what you're talking about is the individual piece that runs from wherever the connection is into the home? Is that what you're asking about? >> Uh yes, Mayor. >> Can you just explain that for people that need clarity? >> See I have a picture. Yeah, this this maybe would this is water, but it serves essentially the same purpose. But if we if we imagine this was sanitary, what what you're asking is uh a pipe up here basically so you can clean out sanitary. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. I just visual helps. Okay. Carry on. Um third, uh we raised a concern why the city is not using Washington County's government assessor uh as part of this uh process and instead going elsewhere for their assessment. Um fourth, we've we've had an issue with um three water main breaks in front of my house. So, I think it's it's great that this has happened, but we've had damage to our pri to the utilities the city expects us to maintain. My next door neighbor had to replace his water lateral because it pulled away from the valve fittings as the street has continued to drop because there's scour that happens each time these water manes break and the city doesn't raise the mains back up and it pulls the water the laterals out and damages those. We're a little concerned that all of the damaged as everything's opened up doesn't get repaired. Um, fifth, we've had pickle ball congestion particularly ever since the schools closed off their parking lots that those can't be used for parking anymore. So, now we have some fairly small residential streets and pickle ball is amazingly popular in Woodbury. Uh, great exercise. Um, but what that means is the trails are blocked and you have people putting cones up to try and do this and there's traffic and while you're doing the fire station parking lot, whatever parking that you think we need for those pickle ball courts, I I'm I'm concerned that we haven't addressed that as part of this same uh project, at least for the economies of scope and scale uh that we're working on. Um, sixth, the city's been removing trees over the last 5 years and has not been replacing those trees in preparation of the street work. And it makes total sense because if we put a new tree back in, then it gets damaged during the road work. But I have asked and I have concerns that now finally when the road work is done if those trees because there's been three trees at my neighbor's mind and and next door that were removed if those trees will be replaced after the street work is is uh complete. And uh seventh um the crossing at Martha. I mean the city put a crossing in and then the city moved the crossing and then the city took the crossing out and then the city put the crossing back in and now the city took the crossing out again. And I think it's great that we're talking about putting the crossing back in but this constant back and forth on uh and the first time they couldn't plow it right which is why it had to be moved. And anyway, um we would just like some assurances that when you put the crosswalks back in, because these are children that cross a relatively high-speed, you know, transit area, that when the crossings go back in, they will stay there. And maybe it's an island in the middle of the, you know, a refuge island or something that you're that you're doing. Uh, but we would like the crosswalks just to stay because they are part of the Woodbury trail system that connect the city and and let us believe the police call our area Alcatraz because we're separated over there in the moat and the trail system let us leave our part of the city. Uh, and that the more connectivity we have for that, the better. Um, finally, again, thank you for the openness in this whole process. the the the city people have been amazing. They've come out, they've answered questions to the ability that they can answer the questions, they take feedback and and I just want to say thank you for the transparency and the openness of this whole process. >> Thank you. Um I think you were all taking copious notes and rather than address them all now, I'd like to go through the rest in case there's more and then we'll handle it all in one time. Okay. So, thank you for the detailed questions. We will circle back on those. Um, Leanne. Leanne, I'll let you say your last name when you come up. >> Fabin Fugabin. >> Fugavin. Oh, that's a G. Okay, got it. Looks like a little bit like a Y. Okay, thanks. >> I'm a Woodbury residence for over a quarter of a century and um getting back to the Martha Crosswalk. We used to have one off of U upper Afton Cove prior to Upper Afton Road being built. We actually have a trail that kids come through to cross to go to school to in the summertime they're going places and that and so I'm I'm wondering why are we redoing one at Martha and not one at Upper Afton Cove and that can be answered later. >> Yeah. Yep. We'll just add that to the list. Yep. >> Yeah. Um and then um there are several houses in our cove. We're in that small cove where you're not going to to have to do do the major sewer work. So, the blue flags have already been placed in our yard. Will the street still be be will all that be broken up up to those blue flags? because we have several houses that have built beautiful um gardens for butterflies and other bees and and we'd hate to have to move all that if it's not necessary. And we have someone that also has raises butterflies in the neighborhood so it's real natural area. And then the there is the trail that goes between the cove and over to Garvey that's by Garvey Park. Is that considered a trail that's going to be broken up? Because again, we have lots of natural native plants that we've planted on the sides of those that we'd hate to see destroyed. Um, oh, and too, like so, so you're going to be removing trees. Will you be removing them along the trails too? Because because we've had a situation where one a tree fell down in a storm and the roots were underneath the side trail and it destroyed the whole area a little bit. And I guess that's it for me. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. Okay. Again, well, you you got those all listed out. Thank you, Lean. Um, Elizabeth Diaz. >> Thank you, mayor. Thank you, council members. Um, I'm Elizabeth Diaz. I'm actually from Oak Park Heights, but I'm here on behalf of my 91year-old mother who has been a Woodberry resident since 1956. So there was an interesting point in the presentation where you talked about the special benefit analysis and under Minnesota statute you have to prove benefit in order to assess. So could you please explain to me how you calculated that special benefit analysis? >> Yep. We're going to add that to the list. We'll do that all at the end so we can answer all the questions. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. Um, okay. I'm I'm trying this one. I think it starts with a J and ends with a K and this last name with a K. Sorry, I'll let you pronounce it. >> Yeah, that's no problem. Uh, yeah, my name is Yaba. >> Ya. Yaba like Flintstones. Yaba. >> And the last name? >> Kiascad. >> Okay, wonderful. >> All right, man. >> Scandinavian of some sort. >> Danish. >> Danish. Okay. and my apologies. >> Oh, no. That might be part of Scandinavia, so you got it right on. All right, mayor, members of the council, uh thank you for the opportunity to provide uh the following comments. Uh as has already been stated, I very much appreciate this opportunity. Um to and the uh openness that the the council and staff has um had along the way. Again, my name is Yavascad. I'm a resident of the Woodbury Heights neighborhood in Woodbury have been for the last 14 years. I'm here to strongly object to the proposed specialist bas assessment that is u suggested to be placed on residents uh within the Woodbury Heights area. The the proposed special assessment and I hope everyone in the room caught that we're talking about for most homes uh with the exceptions that were uh mentioned by the assistant city engineer is $12,350 per house. uh that we that is being proposed that we all have to pay either upfront or we can pay it over a 15-year period uh but with interest the current bond rate plus up to 2% that the city may impose on top of that. This proposed special assessment places an undue financial burden on the residents the and it corresponds to nearly a doubling of the residents city property taxes oh every year for the next 15 years. This is an unexpected increase that residents have had very little time to prepare for. On a personal note, I can also say that that will impact otherwise planned activities. of course will still keep the kids fed and clothes on their back but things such as a planned um graduation party and such is something that we'll need to reconsider uh if this moves forward. I will also note that the feasibility study that is provided by Bolton and Mink I have a copy here and I assume that is the one that is the engineering report. It is right off the project website. Um I find that report incomplete. Um, per state statute, this report must show that the project is both both feasible, necessary, and cost effective. But this report provides only one proposed option for the project execution and costs. There are no alternative options presented or discussed. It is not possible, therefore, to assess the feasibility or the cost effectiveness of the proposed work. And I therefore urge the council to explore alternative options including alternative cost estimates before approving the report. Again I want to thank you for the opportunity to provide these comments. >> Great. Thank you sir. And uh last uh Tom Zarkey. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you, mayor and city council. Uh my name is Tom Zarki. I've lived in Woodbury for 26 years and I'm here representing uh on behalf of my daughter Alyssa uh who lives within her home is in the project area, specifically Woodbury Heights on Ridge Drive. Um, I just I don't really have any questions, but I have some comments that I think uh the council would appreciate hearing uh some of our experience with the problems of the utilities. Um so approximately two years ago um prior to that uh for the last several years uh she's been having trouble with her sewer line blocking up and we've had to try to clean it out from the house and get it going again and it's been slowing down and two years ago it plugged up solid solid just nothing could go down anymore and um so we checked with the city on and they said that it would be up to the homeowners responsibility because the city line is flowing. Therefore, it must be in the residential service line. And so the whole burden was on her to take care of this. And uh I was able to assist and you know do it ourselves, dig through the yard to find where the break was. We found the break or the the plugging occurred um off of her property. it was in the city street and so I talked to the city about it and they said that technically it's the service line to the house therefore the city's not responsible. So we had to dig the street up on our own uh 10tx 10t by 8t deep to get down where the line came from the house. It turned a corner and went into the city sewer. That's where it was plugged up right at the entrance. And uh in this process, uh what made it extra difficult was that the city was unable to locate where the sewer line was. The the records weren't clear over the years. Um and so we had to dig up a lot of the yard just looking for where is the sewer line. We thought we knew we were coming out of the house, but it was way over the other way. And in the course of all this digging, we found the city uh water line coming to the house. And we didn't damage it all, but uh we discovered, coincidentally, there's a lot of wash out underneath there that the city the water valve was was bad and leaking. And when the city crews came over, they said that has to be replaced. Now again, the impact of this is that we've got a water leak before the residential meter. So there's no way the residents can detect it or is obligated for that water loss, but the city's paying for all that water loss underneath the ground. Um, so just those two things there that you got a city water main leak and you've got a sewer blockage. I just want to reinforce what Mike has been saying about the urgency and the severity of this problem at least in this neighborhood. And while we are concerned about the cost to the homeowners for doing this project, the um the alternative is to do nothing and let these problems come up pop and all the homeowners are going to have to bear that cost anyway. So, um, a concern that we had was while we had very good cooperation from city staff, inspectors, uh, the city crews that when I called for help to do something and find the water valve and, um, how to replace it, we had to do all the work oursel, the total project was what, around 10,000 bucks. So, we had to replace the water valve and repair the sewer line at the city connection at her expense. And now we're going to talk about coming through and doing it all again and charging her again for it. Now, uh Mike and I had a talk about this. uh I don't know if you remember and we gave him all the documentation of the work that we have done and he said that there should be some consideration possibly uh in the assessment that she would get some consideration because she's already had to incur this expense you know and again I it's going to be awkward it's going to be case by case but another thing to be considered is that um the city these trees that are invading I mean, this is nature. There's nothing wrong with it. Nobody screwed up. But these are city-owned trees, and we were told that we can't touch them. We can't do anything with them. And yet, when it came to do this, they told me, "Just cut the roots and destroy the tree, whatever you have to do." But it was all at my expense, at our expense, to do the work. She went to her insurance company. She's got homeowners insurance to cover this. But then the insurance company said, "Well, they only cover up to the property line." So, she got no help from her insurance and the city said, "We're not going to do anything for you because it's in your service lines." So, too bad, too sad. So, I just wanted to offer this information just you can get a more detailed scope of what some of the homeowners are facing. But I do support the project. I think we support the project. Um, and we just hope that it'll be conducted in a very efficient and fair way as far as pricing goes and and you know done efficiently and with in high quality. Um, but we would appreciate again any consideration that each homeowner may have with their circumstances. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. All right. I see it. Yeah, we've still got some time. Is that another green sheet? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just did anyone else again, we got 10 or 11 minutes left for people to speak. I'll take this one next. If you do, you got to need to have a green sheet. Um otherwise, pass this down. >> Do we allow Brewers hats in the How did that get in and pass? >> So, I believe you are John Kulie. Is that right? All right, it's your turn. Come on up. And just again state your name and uh city of residence for the record. >> Yep. Um John Culie. I live in Woodbury or the area that we're talking about here off of Metal Lane in Upper Afton. Um I don't have a ton of things to add. Just I would would piggy back on a couple of the items um with the crosswalk on Martha and the screen just for clarity said meadow. Yeah. Um >> I think that I think that was noted >> here or there, but um I would like it to be a medal, but >> u Martha's fine. But one thing that is not said, I would piggyback is that that is that traffic in there flows fast. Too fast a lot. And I'm not asking him to be policed or that slows it down. Those crosswalks slow down that traffic for sure. And I've seen I've lived there 15 years now, which is a while actually. Um and I've seen it firsthand. Like the other gentleman said, they've taken it on, they've taken off and we're like, "Where's our crosswalk?" You know? So, um I would say my big takeaway is that it slows down that traffic and that tra I mean I'm like I feel like the old man now slow down the car because my kids are 10 and seven, you know, to the point about other crosswalks. It's it's tough. They want to get to a friend's house. God forbid they live across Upper Rift, you know. So, um piggybacking that. Um couple of points that I just had with this project. I, you know, I'm I understand both sides of it. I think the work needs to be done. Um, you know, but I question there's been, I would call it kind of a little bit of Helter skelter numbers um given to us. You know, we first get this thing that says you're going to be somewhere between 10 to 15,000 early on. Okay, fine. And then we get the first kind of concrete bend at 16,400. And I'm like, well, I don't know. I mean, that's just strange to me. if I I don't I don't know if I wouldn't present the first set of numbers or I'd make the range wider. It's it was a little jarring to me and many of my neighbors to get a number over that. We've obviously come back down now to the 12350 that was given. Okay, that I mean I guess at least feels good. Um but I just I wonder you know how many bids has there been on this? um the D just we I've we've been to both of the kind of public hearing meetings at the middle school and it's you know it's fine but it's just like there's no real I don't feel like any real hard-hitting question is getting answered and I'm not trying to beat anyone's door now. I'm just a little bit more clarity like how many bids have we got on this thing? Like a gentleman I'm walking in here with says a similar project happened in Oakdale it was $8,000. So, you know, the median income of this area is I'm not sure what, but that is a huge chunk of money. And my wife and I, we're not rich. I mean, we live in the area for a reason to be completely pointed, you know, and um it's a lot of money to us. It's a lot of money to just about every single person that I've spoken with. And you know, so I guess just kind of saying it on the behalf of a bunch of people that I know and I'm friends with and you know, I just like kind of what that the Danish gentleman I'll say because I'm not going anywhere near the name, but um you know to his point um you know it's it's a high number. It's a you know it's a really high number. It's moved around a little bit. you know, um you could take a a loan on it, but I mean, it's bond rate, which is around four and a half plus 2%. I mean, that's a six and a half interest rate. That's getting for $12,000. You run the math on that, that's $78,000 on if you take it for the full 15 years. Some people are going to have to do that. My wife and I are going to be we we're already squiring away money. We don't want anything on that. But at the end of the day, there's going to be a ton of people that are and that's going to turn to about 25 well maybe like 20 some maybe close to $20,000 for them when all the dust settles. Um, you know, so I I just wonder about that. Um, and then uh you know the the Royal I guess I didn't realize either that this was actually last done in 94 in our area I think is what somebody else said. Um, I was under the impression that this was original stuff in the in the neighborhood is what that was my impression of it pretty clearly. So that there was maybe something done in '94 is possibly a little bit of news to me. >> It would we'll get them to answer that. You're bringing up a lot of good points. >> Thank you. I'm not questioning I just it changes my changes my mindset dramatically. >> Yeah. um something from 58 or 1994 is kind of you know I guess obvious but um you know I guess that's uh yeah that's kind of my spiel. Great. >> Thank you for >> Thank you. >> All right, last chance. Oh, there is a green sheet if you could Okay, >> bring it forward. You can bring it direct to me if you want to save time from passing it all the way around. >> Yeah. Hi there. Okay. Your name is Genevieve Bdett. >> Yes. >> Great. Welcome, Jenn. >> Okay. We moved in the house when I was 20 years old and then now I'm 88. Same house. >> You look great for Are you serious? You're age >> and I don't want my yard wrecked. I read by hand. I have Battle Creek in my backyard. A weed with a knife. And I get real mean when people wreck my stuff. And we have two driveways. And I'm not I'm concerned. And I'm going, how far up are they going to go on the yard? And are they going to fix it real nice when we get you know what I mean? >> I'm about five houses down from her. I watch you do it. >> Just for clarity. >> You say you're one of them. I yes >> anyway >> Mike or Chris would you need a specific address for that particular location since she's asking something specific >> me lane >> I I guess I wouldn't be able to I don't have the service location right in front of me but >> I just want to make sure if you do you need the address that's all I'm asking before before we're finished >> at our age now everybody died usually >> if that's part of longevity. You can come to my house and we >> Well, I my dad had a 50 hives of bees, 10 acres of strawberries and raspberries, and I was one of his little slaves, and I kind of hated it, but now I work hard because that's who I am. >> And I like to help people, too. >> Yeah, that's awesome. >> Weed. I read when they're not looking and stuff. >> The neighbor goes, I could tell the lights on. Anyway, nice to meet all you people. Wonderful. >> Anyway, so I'm just concerned that you don't have two driveways, so I suppose it's going to be more expensive, too. >> Okay, >> maybe they could give me a deal if I come over and work in your yard. >> Thank you. >> No, nice to meet all you. >> Yes. Anybody else on green sheets? Oh, we do have Okay, come on. We still got four minutes, so >> you can bring it straight here. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. And you are Roger Dawson. >> I've lived in Woodbury for 62 years. >> Wow. >> And we've talked uh you originally were going to put a culde-sac on the end of Woodbine because of traffic that was on Sentry and Woodbine or coming in there. Now, you're you're you're not going to do that, but it doesn't solve the problem of the traffic that's out there on Sentry and Brookview. There needs to be stop and go lights there. There's no other way around it. There needs to be something. And they they're taking the culde-sac away, but it's not solving the problem. There needs to be a solution for that problem of that intersection. In the morning or after in the afternoon, you cannot make a left-hand turn for about 15 20 minutes. That's that much traffic that's growing on Century Avenue. The other situation is street lights. We're paying for them, but we don't have no street lights. We I you know I don't nobody tells me they're not going to do it or they're going to do it. So I think we need street lights or nothing in the intersections of every corner of street light and then we're paying for something. But if we're not paying for it or don't get street lights, the city should then take this the developments that have street lights. You got maps. Count those houses. Divide that amongst the and why you why should we pay for street lights out stone mill or any all the these other projects. The last thing I have is I've lived here that long. There used to be a welcome to Woodbury sign. It was a wooden one. They had a storm, blew over, never got put up. I've talked to different city people. They have a new one put up or new sign and nothing ever happens for the last 20 years. And this is the first phase of Woodbury. And you come off of 94, what do you see? Nothing. You don't even know where the heck you are. But everywhere else gets these fancy new welcome to Woodbury signs. So we don't have nothing. I'd like to see a sign go back up there so we know we're in Woodbury. >> That's great. Yeah, we like to know where people are in Woodbury, too. Thank you. >> All right, I think I've got them all. Our time is about wrapping up. Uh >> so, um just let me explain again how this goes. At this point, we will close the hearing. So, we've given everyone in the public an opportunity to speak. We will then turn to our wonderful engineers here to answer all the questions. You've jotted them all down. Council can then also have questions and interactions. But at this point in time, unless somebody engineering has a specific clarification for you all, like we're just kind of done with the public park. That's just how this works. I didn't set the rules. This is like a state thing. I don't know. But that's how it works. So, um I will make a motion that we close the hearing. >> Okay. >> Motion a second. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor? >> I Okay, the hearing is now closed. Thank you very much for coming to this meeting for sharing your thoughts and ideas and concerns and uh now you two get to start answering a bunch of questions and I don't know. Yeah, I don't know where you want to start. I would I would you know the um let me see which guy was it? Well, um, John Kulie just brought up some really basic things about the contract and the price and was it at 16 and now it's 12 and what does it mean and have there been bids? Can you just explain that early on because I think that's a just something that needs to be clarified. >> Yeah. So, so correct. We had initially reached out to the neighborhood in September of 2025 and indicated we expected higher assessments just because we wanted we knew that this was going to be a big number and we wanted people to, you know, have some time to to prepare and ask questions and understand what the process was. So September was when we had estimated the assessment was going to be that 10 to$15,000. We had a a second neighborhood meeting um and that was when the draft feasibility report was was close to being done. So, we had uh the calculated assessment and that was that $16,000 that we shared there. That was what was calculated. Um since we had that neighborhood meeting, now we've gotten the benefit appraisals in. Um >> can you explain what that is? >> Yep. So, based on state statute, um cities are allowed to assess properties. Um but the the assessment cannot exceed what the benefit amount is. So we hire um a independent appraiser to come in and and tell us based on the scope of this project, what is the property value increase? Um so we did that for this project. Um we got those numbers um early July. Um so that's what we are showing here um with this presentation. So that's the the 12,350 um number. So that's based off of the benefit appraisal. And just to clarify, another question that was brought up is why do we use an independent assessor versus Washington County? Does Washington County even do that work? They assess other things but not or Yeah. Can you explain that? >> Yeah. So, this is the the person who does this benefit appraisal. They are specifically looking at um properties before and after an improvement like this. So, um and property values. So, it's um they are looking at this as a a project specific um scope. So, so that's where that number comes from out of Chris has something to add. >> Yeah, I would just say mayor members of the council, it's a special type of business. The Washington County Assessor's Office does not do this type of work. In fact, there's not that many appraisers in the state that do this type of work. And so, when we reach out to them, they are really specialists in the industry really focused on this specific uh type of process for the appraisals. >> Okay. Thanks. I thought that would just be helpful early on to capture those kind of ideas. Now it's up to you guys to go through your list that you made and start answering questions. >> Sure. Yeah, I can just go through the list that I have here. So, um we'll start um from the top here with um Bill Brown. Um >> point of point of clarification, you're >> um do you want if if he's answering questions and I have a question, do you want me to wait until he's all done or interject? >> We can interject. So, we'll stay on the topic now that it's now a staff and council discussion. >> Actually, can we also go back I think for Mr. to understand then too that what today is is us being able to order the project. So we haven't really we don't have bids yet. >> Thank you. >> So that was the other thing. So that still will be coming down the pipeline. >> And would you explain that Mike when that happens? >> Yeah. So right now um we've uh what we're asking council to do is order the project. So to go through the final design um so that we can go through the bidding process. So um we would anticipate January to open bid. So there would be a competitive bidding process where there would be multiple contractors would have an opportunity to to bid on the project. Um and then we would get competitive pricing that way. >> Well, and can you just explain the timing of that bid? Chris, I know you've I've heard you explain this before. Why we do it early in January and the competitiveness and because it's a big project, what all that might mean? >> Yeah. So, uh typically contractors get busier as you uh from January on. And so, uh, what Mike and and Tony and the team in engineering do is try to get the project ready for design as early as possible. Uh, we get the most competitive bids in the January and February. That's when contractors don't have a lot of work on their docket. They're hungry for work. They give us the best pricing. If we were to wait as far as into May, March or April, oftentimes those prices go up 10% because they've already got work staged. And in order to complete that work, they often have to have contractors work overtime. in those um type of scenarios. So, we try to line up when we go out to market um as best as possible, get the most uh competitive bid uh for the benefit of the city and its taxpayers. >> So, just to clarify then too because we've had this conversation of the the assessment adjusting. So, we came in with a a window. We started that first conversation at 10 to 15, then it was at 16 after we got the prelims and now we're back to now we're down to 12 and the bids come in. Then there's then there's now we have the bid. So now we have the actual hard numbers. Then there's an assessment curing that we then have right of where we then go. This is where I want you to come in. Yes. >> Mayor, members of the council, that often times occurs when uh the price of the project is lower than our estimate and the special benefit appraisal isn't the lower of that benefited amount. >> So in this scenario, I believe the special benefit appraisal will be the lower amount than the calculated assessments. And so no matter what the bids come in at, unless we really miss the estimate, it's not going to influence the amount that is going to be assessed. >> So what you're saying is if the bid came in really low, you would then reassess. Is that what you're saying? But it's not >> If the bids came in that low, we would question what did we miss in the plan and probably rebid it. >> Okay. Because you've done this enough, you know how to estimate it. Okay. >> Yep. >> Good. Good. Good. >> But I'll also point out that this is also the highest number that we would assess. The assessment will not be higher than this. >> Okay. >> That's good clarification. So even if it comes down comes in at 10,000 are we still >> good question. So, so right now we have two numbers that we use to figure out >> the question for those that may >> So the question was if the bids come in low um lower than the estimate the assessments won't change um what I can so actually it's so this is the the roadway financing policy. So um this note here it's the lesser of the calculated assessment to the benefit of properties or special benefit analysis. So we have the feasibility report that's posted on the website right now. So you can look and see how that um calculated assessment came to but right now the calculated assessment is about $16,000. So that was the number that we showed at that second neighborhood meeting. Um the benefit appraisal was that 12,000 number. So, so the only way the assessment would come down is if the calculated amount was reduced by basically 33%. So that's it would it would mean the bids would have to be about 33% below what the engineers estimate is >> which again you've done this work enough that you don't think there's any chance in whatever that it's going to come down that low. Well, there I mean there's lots of caveats, right? We some of it's economic forces. Um staff certainly didn't anticipate uh further attacks on Iran and what's happening in the straight of Hummus. When you talk about pavement prices, a lot of that's oil dependent. And so we don't know. We're trying to do the best we can to estimate in futurecast, but we do have to wait till we get the bid. And then when we get the bid, we make an assessment. Was this a competitive bid? Did we set it up? Did we get other contractors? Are they close to that bid? We have to make a decision. This is probably the best we're going to get. You know, generally, uh, construction inflation increases faster than regular consumer price inflation. So, waiting longer for this project only raises the cost of the project itself generally. And so, we have to make some really smart decisions when we get the bid. But, uh, what we have now, I think, is as good a forecast as we get. We have been coming in uh, at most maybe 10% under our engines engineers estimate. pretty rarely do we come in 30% under. But again, we could have a, you know, maybe they just open up the oil pipelines and the whole world, everything gets solved by the time we bid this project. I have no idea. >> Thank you. >> So, maybe I could try to run through all these um and then maybe Chris can jump in if if he thinks I missed anything, but um just going through my list um about the issues from previous water man brakes. But we're replacing all the water manes. So any water man breaks that happened in the past where there's some still some continuing issues, those should all be addressed um following this project. Um a question was also raised about pickle ball parking. Um so this was something that came up um at the neighborhood meeting. So um I did want to highlight that Wrath Drive here um is the pickle ball courts are actually right behind basically this this map here. So, um, Wrath Drive is is a street that we're aware that pickle ball players park at quite a bit. So, so right now this red line shows the street alignment. So, it just kind of dead ends here. So, with this project, we are proposing to put in a culde-sac here. Um, knowing that this road was going to extend at some point, we don't have a timeline for that. So, in the meantime, um, we we proposed putting in a culde-sac here just for maintenance purposes. um so that when people or delivery trucks come in here, they have a place to turn around safely. Um and this will also provide additional spaces for the pickleball players to park. Um but we have a number of um parks throughout the city that um don't have any parking lots at all. There is a parking lot on Shauny Park on the north end. Um it is far away from the pickle ball court. So it it is available but um in looking at this with our recreation staff um we believe there's sufficient um parking in the parking lots and then again street parking is considered a a way that people can access public parks. So um with this alignment we we would expect that the parking situation is going to be improved from from the pickle ball. Um and then the ash trees that were removed previously. Uh yes, again we we plan on replacing those. Again, not necessarily where they were removed, but um we do have a list of all the properties that had ash trees removed. So um during final design, we'll have the planting plan um put together and that will also be shared at a neighborhood meeting prior to um the project happening. Um, we had a question about crosswalk on um Martha. >> Can you show Do you have a diagram of that? >> Yes. >> Station. >> So, this this came from feedback that we heard at the neighborhood meeting. Um, >> yeah. So what we're proposing is a similar this is a a pedestrian refuge island that that is on Lake Road right now. So during the engagement proc process we we heard a number of people that were concerned about crossing. So what we have proposed is putting um a refuge island here at Martha and and it really it's it's the alignment with this turn lane. This this left turn lane doesn't really serve a purpose where it is. um which is why we chose that versus um you can kind of see this next one is Esther Lane where they've got driveways here that would make a refuge challenging um and other intersections are the four-way intersections where um it's more challenging. So that was why we have the the refuge at Martha Lane and um we have also noticed that um I think John had mentioned that we have seen the these are um effective at slowing down traffic um and so with the issues that we heard on upper Aton road speeds u we would expect this to assist with the the speeding. uh mayor, members of the council, if I might add to uh the questions that Bill asked. Uh in terms of just overall crossings, I can't speak to what happened in the past, why we added them, took them away, all those that was probably before uh either Mike or time. Um >> which has been how long? >> It's been eight years. >> Okay. >> Um but I will say that the city over the last 5 years has gotten pretty sophisticated about looking at pedestrian crossings, really thinking about safety. We did the the bike and ped plan which Tony Kusky, our city engineer, uh led. We've got a number of comp planning things that we're evaluating. Um Mike is deep into the the traffic world. I'm part of the advisory council for traffic safety. Um we are thinking about a lot of these things and so um where people used to be might be different than where we are today. I know that you know by putting this median eye on it, it creates a public works issue. They have to plow around it and so there's lots of motivations why things go in and out. Uh, I think our primary motivation is balancing all those things, but certainly pedestrian safety is a focus of ours. Um, I also, uh, I think some of the first questions were asking about add-ons. You know, uh, 1994, admittedly, I was 14. Um, but I will say that it's really dependent on the contractor. As the city, we don't allow we don't say, "Hey, we're going to contract uh to do the whole driveway or we're going to uh improve private properties." We will suggest that those individuals talk to the contractor that's out there and if the contractor is willing to give them a separate proposal, but we don't usually and typically fold it in uh to part of our process because then we also inherit the warranty claims and everything that comes along with it. Um and and it does make assessments and lots of things uh challenging, but we certainly offer that. I will say that most contractors that do the type of work that we do uh they're really wanting to get in and get out. They don't make a lot of money on individual driveways or cleanouts. They sometimes will do those things, but often times they they say, "No, you hire your own contractor. We don't want to take tackle that aspect of the work." >> Let me just interject something. I can only imagine if I were you in the audience, there might be more questions that come out of all of this, but because the hearing's closed, I would just suggest if you have further things that come to mind as we're having this discussion, just write them down and then you can follow up later through various methods. you can tell us the best way to do that to get more specific questions answered as we go through the discussion. >> And I'll also say that we're still early enough in the process. This is really moving forward for final design. There is an open house uh several open houses before this is done. And so what Mike and his team is meets with property owners as more uh things are known about particular impacts to properties, how they're going to manage and facilitate and phase construction, how to get people in and out of their driveways. If you've got special considerations, maybe a disability where it's difficult to get in and out, all of those things are talked about. Uh, and there are separate set aside meetings where you can talk one-on-one with individual staff and and we can work through those issues and incorporate them into the plans or specifications if needed. >> Thank you. Go ahead. >> Um, I know we also had a comment about um impacts on Upper Aptton Cove if there aren't any um utilities being done there. Um, so we plan on replacing the curb all the way around Upper Aton Cove. So, we would extend or we would impact about five feet behind the curb. Um, >> Mike, do would you mind as you talk about that, can we is there a diagram of that that we can see or just the big picture or I don't know where that is. >> Thank you. >> So, that's Yep. This culde-sac right here. >> Oh, okay. >> So, since we're not doing uh utilities here, um, but we are replace planning to replace uh the full curb. Um, so we we would be impacting about five feet roughly behind the curb. Um the blue flags uh I would expect are 10 to 15 ft behind the curb. So we we wouldn't anticipate going all the way to there. >> You're doing a mill overlay and curb curb replacement. >> Correct. Yeah. Payment replacement and then curb. >> So you shouldn't impact the butterfly garden. Is that what you're saying? >> Unless it's in the first 5t. >> Okay. Okay. which I mean in general I mean that was going to be my comment too is is because that's always an impact on any roadway that we do is that that that >> five or 15 >> wherever that wherever that I want to say setback it's not where that easement is right >> there's there's a lot of private work that's gone on and and those things and that's going to be impacted that's part of the understanding whenever we do these projects that's always always always a concern and if you want to address the best >> how big is the ement is it mostly consistent around the city or is it different or >> Yeah, is it different in this area? That's a good question. >> Yeah, so it is different in this area. So, um up Rapton Cove there there's some drainage utility easements. Um the most most of the rest of this neighborhood does not have draining utility easements around the the property. Um so we have the right of way which um is about 15 ft behind the curb. Um >> yeah, >> but then that's the property line and then we don't have any easement rights beyond that essentially. Um upon Uh, no, it's not normal. >> I was going to say 15 ft is not normal for us. >> It is for the rightway, but the drainage utility easement that goes beyond that is typical. And what Mike is saying is this was platted at a time that that wasn't required, but it doesn't meet the standard we'd have today. >> Yeah. >> But but the rightway is about 60 ft and the road's 30 ft. So, it's about 15 ft on both sides to for that 60 ft of rightway. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And then um there was I think a comment about trees along the trail. So again, we're pretty early in the process. We haven't gotten into the detailed design to understand if there's going to be tree impacts with the the trail work. Um typically there's not um the the trail it's going to be pulling off the pavement and and putting it back. So u I wouldn't expect any trees, but um without looking at the plans or or without really a detailed plan, it's I can't say definitively yet. Um the benefit analysis. I think we touched on this one already, but but just to clarify, so we do hire an independent appraiser. Um and we do have a report that that the appraiser put together um that that would be available um as well. Um so we have a question too about you know where alternatives reviewed um with this project. So, um, with with the work that we have to do here to replace services, um, at every property line, um, there's really not a lot of options when it comes to how do you do a project like this. So, so up and cut is really the only option because you're going to have to excavate at every service regardless. Um and and this was something that we looked at with the Royal Oaks project kind of is there some you know directional drill options but but really based on um the scope of the work and the the issues that we're having um open cut is is really the only way that this this project can happen. Um and the the pipe material and everything and and sizes follows the city's um standard um standard um roto design principles. So, um, that's really where the design has come from. >> I'll also mention it's a standard within the industry. The things that we're proposing is what every city in the state of Minnesota would propose. >> It just comes to mind. I'm remembering the question about was this all done in '94 or how long ago was this? Can you what's the history? >> Yes. So 1994 that there was the pavement and I believe curb was all replaced in 1994. So correct but but the utilities were not replaced with that project. So that's why the that's really was um requiring the full reconstruction. Um the utilities were not all replaced in in 1994. >> Okay. >> So can I just that was one of my questions actually that I had. So in '94 it was a total reconstruction. So it was 40ome years old and we were doing a reconstruction. >> It was pavement and curb. It we didn't >> Okay. Again, public the public comment period is over. I'm sorry. I have to follow the rules as to the rules. Please shut down your comments and you feel free. We can have follow-up conversation. You all can do it after the meeting. But >> go ahead, Chris, for what you know. Um, I don't have the history of when this sewer and water utilities were constructed. I've been here eight years and I and I didn't actually admittedly look up how old this was infrastructure was before coming to this meeting. I know Mike and his team has and they can follow up with you individually. I will say, you know, it's pretty clear from the pictures, the breaks you've had, the sanitary sewer system itself, it's all failing. Uh, the materials at that time that they installed it were probably the best materials they had available. I will say that the industry has improved substantially. They no longer use clay pipe. Uh they use PVC. PVC has really tight joints. Uh which means that it prevents roots from intruding into the pipe and perverting preventing future destruction of the pipe. So modern materials these days typically last anywhere between 75 to 100 years. So um this will be the last time probably in most people's lifespan that we'll be dealing with uh utilities under the road. The same thing with cast iron. you know, was a good great product at the time, but one thing it's cast iron's brittle and I bet you there's hot soils up here, which is why you're experiencing and hot soils means it's clay and it's acidic and it's eating the pipe away. The the things that Mike would be putting in would be ductal iron, totally different product, and they'd be taking essentially a blanket around that pipe to prevent that clay material from interacting. So, I can't speak to what the materials were that and and what they did, but clearly they didn't last. and we're at the point where we do need to replace them because there's no doubt about it that it's not working. There's it's one of the two hot spots in the entire city that has the most breaks. >> Mhm. >> Can I just ask a quick question then? What a little bit along that line. Um because I think Mr. Ron, this was one of the other questions was, but since it is going to be a full reconstruction, you're, you know, the roads are going to be open and because we're replacing services from that replacement, I'm assuming some of that will alleviate some of the issues the homeowners are having with the sewer as it is, but would there still be reason or still be benefit for them if they did want to explore their own personal sewer cleanout or do you think most of that will get resolved because of the replacement of the services that we're doing anyway? I'll say that the infrastructure under the street will will be resolved. Um we aren't replacing all the way back to the house. So um these services are, you know, 70ish years old. So um this might be an opportunity if um they've had issues to to look at replacing the house, but but we would go to the property line, but no further than that. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. So, when you say you go to the property line, we had a gentleman come up and talk about how they had to go into the street to make sure that their lines were hooked up to the city. So, are do you go to property line or or is it just a hookup in the street? It >> it's typically to the property line, but most cities that they technically own to the main, but as part of our construction project, we redo everything within the influence area of the road and just beyond the road to the property line. So if you were to replace your sewer line separately outside of a road roadway project and you had a break in the street and we get many of those all the time and prop property owners have to call and get their own contract to replace it. They typically replace all the section all the way from the house to the main as their responsibility and the same with the water service. >> But in this situation you're going to replace it from the main up to the property line. Correct. So up through the easement that you have >> not in the easement but in the rightway. >> In the right of way >> from the okay through the rightway up to about 15 ft into their yard. They'll hook it up there >> and then they're paying for 50% of it. >> Y >> but if it breaks on their own time they have to pay for 100% of it. >> That's typically the scenario. >> Okay. And so then what you're saying is that they could theoretically in the midst of this contract figure out about possibly getting clean out >> since everything would be opened up. >> Correct. Yeah. Yep. >> Okay. >> Did you feel like you captured all the questions and or council members, did you see anything that was >> There was one that was on um I lost my map here. Hang on a minute. um upper Aftton um Cove and how the the trail comes through at the head of the culde-sac and then down and across. Is there are we going to consider putting a pedestrian crossing there? I mean it it that would be one of those places where it does make sense if we're streaming traffic through the park through the culde-sac because we only have sidewalk on the techni I mean technically the south side of road there is no trail or anything on the north side. Correct. >> Correct. Yeah. And and I would say that is c certainly something we could do with this project is put in an enhanced crossing at um along Upper Cove. Absolutely. Just give me one minute. Um, Wrath, we have, is it Wrath? Is that the name of the one of the streets? The one that you're making into a culde-sac? >> Yes. >> That has been in the comprehensive plan is a through street uh future road extension, I'm imagining. Was it to the Jordan? What are we How what was it going to connect to? >> Yeah, I I believe that's correct. the Jordan property that's to the south here would connect. >> Okay. And so now we're just going to make it into a culde-sac. >> It could still extend into the Jordan property. We don't have a timeline for when that's going to happen. And so um for now um based on the issues that we've heard on Wrath Drive, um we thought this would be an opportunity to put in a culde-sac here. >> Okay. and and in under this um proposed um reconstruction project, which I will say is concerning that it's only been 33 years or so, somewhere in there, 33, 35 years since the last project, and we're totally redoing the whole thing again. It's not we're not narrowing roads. We're not installing sidewalks or trails. We're not doing any of that. It's just what where the curbs are is where it's going back. >> Correct. Yes. >> Mike, can you follow up with we presented to council and some of the considerations in that memo to council that we had the discussion about sidewalks and trails and retrofitting in this neighborhood. >> Yeah, because we Yeah, we discussed this a long time ago, but yeah, >> it'd be good. >> Highlight us, remind us. Yep. >> Yep. There was a workshop um in January of 2025 where we looked at this project specifically um looking at the roadway corridor design principles. um this entire neighborhood, these are considered the local roads. Um and so based on kind of how everything is connected here, um it was determined or it was recommended by staff and and um agreed on by council that um no additional sidewalks um or road narrowing would be necessary here. >> Okay. >> To piggy back on to council member Wilson's question, I'm assuming that street lights are not a part of this project, >> correct? no street lights. >> So, I can be prepared to answer that question. I think there was two different things combined to that question. >> Uh just in general over the the last year, uh something that's recently changed is charging for street lights. So, prior uh the city had not done really a rate increase on street lights in general for almost 18 years, and they knew it was an unfunded liability. And so the engineering department and the finance department teamed up and we looked at, you know, what is the long-term sustainability because as these things continue to age, we got to figure out how to pay for them. Well, throughout that all that process, we discovered there's 10 different building categories, but only frankly, the newer residential homes with street lights were being charged. There was no commercial properties and there was no non-lit neighborhoods. And so we had several meetings with the audit and investment commission, with the council. And at that time it was decided that street lights are a benefit to the whole community. But there's a recognized uh benefit to properties that don't have direct street lighting, but it's a reduced benefit. So the average uh residential household pays roughly $12 a quarter. Um, what they said was, okay, if you're, you know, traveling to and from your neighborhood, you're enjoying being able to travel through the neighborhoods, go to businesses, go to other properties with with street lighting in there and be able to go to through those intersections safely. And so there was a contribution of roughly 33%. So, so in other words, $4 a quarter versus $12 a quarter. And that was a decision at the time that audit investment commission and staff recommended uh moving forward with. >> Yeah. And just like commercial properties were not paying for it. And there was a decision made that >> they benefit. Yeah. So >> well but but to be clear there was a difference between stop lights on the roads and street lights in the neighborhood. They were two separate funds. >> There was two separate funds. There was a portion for street lights, which is a very small proportional bill that comes out of it. And then there was street lighting for the community that was largely capital replacements and replace and uh electric usage cost >> and that and people were paying for that in their property tax. >> Correct. In their levy. So they had already been paying for it >> for the for the small portion of it >> for the stop lights. >> Yep. >> For the stop lightss. The larger portion which is the street lights. Again, you're right. commercial businesses were not paying at all for street lights. They've now been brought into the fold. And so if you're looking at Woodberry, no matter where you are in the city of Woodbury, if you have a home or business, you're paying some portion of street lights. Although for commercial businesses, which oftentimes have their own internal lighting or residential homes that are unlit neighborhoods or in the real estate properties, you're paying a reduced benefit of 33% of that overall street light cost that a normal residential home might pay. Mhm. >> In terms of uh asking for street lights in your neighborhood, that's a really controversial topic and I would encourage people to um to talk with staff behind the scenes. Historically, um what has happened is people will petition their neighborhood and say, "We want street lights." There is a cost to those street lights and usually those are born by the property owners within that. Uh, so all of those neighborhoods that originally had street lights, those were put in by the development and those costs were assumed by the developer and passed through as part of their residential housing costs. We don't have a fund set up to just implement street lights unless it's at an intersection for safety concerns. >> Thank you. All right, we've been sharing a lot of details tonight, so there's a lot of information coming. I think the only last thing that I had was maybe a probably more of a followup because we were talking about anyway is the monument signs and why if Woodberry I don't know if that's who I don't know whose thing that is. We don't have them everywhere but just in some cases there's just a simple like I remember going down Bailey Road and there's a simple you know welcome to Woodbury sign. It's made of metal. >> There's one off lake in 494. >> There's a huge monument at lake in 494. There's a huge monument at Tamarack in 494, but otherwise there are simple signs that let you indicate you're in the city of Woodbury. >> We'll follow up. It's definitely not our responsibility, but we know we'll find the people that are responsible for this and we'll have a conversation. >> Mayor Counsel, one of the issues there, it's kind of on the wrong our city properties on the wrong side of the street there when you >> on century. >> So that's okay. Yeah, that's good point. Um, all right. Have we anything else? Council, anything else to address? >> Any other questions? >> Just give me one minute to look through the notes. >> I would just like to just just to add in general, a lot of this work is done like I I think it's been said I just want to get clear that we've got this policy that we follow. So, we don't willy-nilly every project that comes through address each one separately. We've been following this policy for how many years, Chris? >> Since >> 14. >> Since 2014. So we're going on >> with modifications 2017 I think in 2019. Small things. >> Yeah. So but essentially you know every time something comes forward we're dealing with the same issue every time trying to you know deal with this >> correct >> equitably. Um all right council anything else >> the size of this project I know that and maybe this will come as we're I mean we're ordering the project now though. Is there a plan to phase this? I mean, there was a conversation a little bit about just because of the scope of this, you're not going to tear everything all up at once, a little bit like Royal Oaks. So, can you can you talk is there a plan for phasing? >> Yeah. So, with Royal Oaks, I would assume we'll do something similar, but it was about two months per phase. So, when they did utility work, they were in front of it was it would end up being a block, we'll say about the length of this Esther Lane. So, I don't know how long that is, but but but about that many homes. Um, it' be about two months. um access would be um maintained for the most part unless they're digging kind of right behind your driveway, but but really as they're digging, you'd either have to go out, you know, one way or another. Um the culde-sacs obviously get a little bit tricky with with that. So there's um more specific planning with that, but um generally access is maintained except for when um construction's happening right behind your driveway. Um but if there are specific concerns then we meet um before the project to go over that with with the residents um and are available anytime. >> Two more just uh questions based on um what um Miss Genevie Berdett said which is she has two driveways. It is not any it's not more expensive for her because she has two driveways. Each residential house gets charged the same for the same work that they're doing. >> Correct. Yeah, we yeah, we don't we don't have different assessments if if somebody's driveway is wider or if they've got Yeah. a sidewalk or anything. Correct. >> And Mr. Roger Dawson um mentioned a stoplight at Woodbine Woodbine and Brook View. Is how would we go about um assessing whether one needs to go there since we that's would be a county road? Um and is that a Ramsey County or is it a shared road or what are we looking at? >> There's that's a tricky intersection. There's a lot of agencies there. Um so so part of it is Washington County, part of it's Ramsey County, part of it Maplewood and Mindot. Um so I can tell you that um it is actively being studied right now. Um this entire Century Avenue corridor basically from this intersection north up to I believe highway 36. Um there isn't a timeline for when that construction is happening, but I know that this intersection is being reviewed as a part of that project. Um but right ultimately it would be um Mindot is would be the lead on on that. >> And just to clarify, I thought I heard Woodbine and Brookiew, but you're meaning Woodbine and Century >> Chris or Mike, you >> wait. >> Yeah. No. >> Is there a >> Woodbine comes out Brook goes across and so this is the intersection that's on the other side that's in Maplewood. >> Got it. Okay. Got it. But it's across. It's the inter. Yeah, that was that was like So this is actually again it's a it's a the issue is Century Avenue. >> Yeah. And to underline the I was in high school when we were talking about Century Avenue, Division Street, Highway 120, whatever we're calling it and the Highway 36. >> When was that? >> It was more than a year ago. >> Yeah. So it's been a long time at that project. They still haven't figured out what they're doing. Um, and I just want to um, thank everybody for coming in here. I know it it, you know, you're sitting through a long meeting and I appreciate the feedback and the time to come in here tonight. We just order project. Um, I think I think most people realize something needs to be done there. You do have an opportunity to come back then in once the project is bid and so we'll be back in February, March, April, probably March or April to go through the assessments and we'll have the actual numbers at that time and that's when you should come back um also at that time and but if there but if there isn't any other feedback regarding the actual project that's being ordered and I didn't hear anything >> change the scope Right. Other than some additions of crosswalks and potential stop lights which are outside of our agency. So >> all right. All right, I'll make a a motion to adopt resolution 26-87, a resolution approving the preliminary report order of the project and executing a letter of engagement with Bolton Amen in the amount of $374,450 for final design authorizing preparation of plans and specifications and authorizing their preparation, acquisition, and if necessary condemnation of easements for the 2027 roadway construction reconstruction project. >> Second. >> Motion is second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, the roll call, please. Council member Wilson >> I. >> Council member Stafford >> I. Council member Morris. >> Hi. >> Council member Santini >> I. >> Mayor Bird >> I. That resolution passes. Thank you. Thank you again for listening to the discussion. I hope your questions were answered. Again if you have more you can direct them to those guys in that department and they will very good about following up. Thank you. >> Um if you're interested hang on you might want to hear something. Chris is going to do the transportation report which is an update on all the major roadway if you're curious about Valley Creek Road or uh Wooddale or anything. He's going to give a quick five minute update. If you're exhausted after after a discussion item because we have >> discuss it, can we do this first? >> Yeah. >> We're going to do this first. >> You're gonna do You're >> No, >> okay. Well, because everyone's leaving now. That's fine. All right, Kim. Discussion item. Uh, >> we're doing mine. Okay. >> 6D. >> I was trying to encourage them to stay and listen to you, Chris, but nobody wants to. So, >> I wouldn't want to. >> They can go back and watch the video. >> 6D. All right. Uh, the agreement related to the Gold Line BRT and you know, we have this stuff going on back and forth. Um, I have concerns about the agreement. Uh, especially if uh I'm I'm confused on whether we're talking uh are we taking care of maintenance issues on something that the BR that the Gold Line owns? >> Okay. And I think Tony Tony, can you address that? Tony's got answers on that. >> Tony is also in the engineering department, city engineer. >> Yeah, Mayor Bert, members council, Tony Katsky, city engineer. Um, as the gold line came in, they constructed a lot of uh infrastructure. Some of that is city-owned, some of it is met council owned through the um uh bus rapid transit project. Uh the ownership and maintenance agreement is uh between the city of Woodbury and the metropolitan council is to provide a clear understanding as to who owns what infrastructure and who is responsible for the maintenance of it. It also identifies some cost sharing between Met Council and City Woodbury for a number of items that uh an example would be traffic signals. They're needed for the bus rapid transit, but also um a lot of them existed and are needed for the roadway portion. So, we have a cost share on those. Um the agreement does go through a number of pieces of infrastructure such as uh retaining walls that were put in with the project, fences, storm uh sewer basins, lighting at the stations and landscaping, signage and striping and snow and ice control uh for both the guideway and the roadways. All of the guideway itself that is needed only for bus driver fiber transit is all taken care of and owned and maintained by the metropolitan council. Um any of the infrastructure that is needed only for the city's roadways is um city ownership. So um we got a new roadway um out of that and now we will maintain it from from here forward for only the city portions, not the BRT guideway. again traffic signals and things that are a little more complex because we both share them. We do have a cost share in that agreement. The agreement is needed to identify how the city of Woodbury would invoice and require the mech council to pay the city for maintenance as the city um overall will own and maintain those signals but yet had a have a cost share with the mech council. >> What about the retaining walls and that kind of stuff? >> Yeah, so retaining walls that were in place ahead of the project the city continues to own. Uh we had a lot of but for um uh discussions during these projects and anything that would not be needed by the city for our roadway project but yet Met Council required them even though they're not in the guideway. There are some retaining walls that were put in because we widened the roadway corridor and didn't want to impact properties. Uh those are maintained and owned by the met Metropolitan Council. Um, >> so is there anything that they own that we're going to be maintaining >> other than a joint the stop lightss is a joint agreement, but is there anything that they own that we are maintaining? >> Uh, no. No. Uh, think of everything in the guideway, everything in the station areas, um, even the lighting that we put lighting all the way down the corridor, the lighting on the station areas is owned and maintained by Metro Welican Council. Um, no. I I would say in fact storm water basins that they constructed with the project, um, they're paying for their share of the water they put into the storm water basins. So, we've even gotten down to that much detail in this agreement to make sure Metropolitan Council pays for what they have for infrastructure in the project. But we didn't, it was my understanding that um previous to the Gold Line opening that we were going to negotiate um the pads and the bus stops on the rest of the city, but that did not get handled in this agreement. Correct. >> No, the the agreement that's uh before the council tonight is only addressing the Gold Line specific infrastructure that was constructed with the Gold Line project. That is a required process um for Gold Line to get this I'll call it project closed out and get an um uh established agreement for who will own and maintain the components of that specific project. We do have ongoing conversations about um the rest of the bus stops in the community um that are not resolved yet. >> Okay, that's it. >> Thank you. Thank you, Tony. I'll make a motion to adopt resolution 26-85, a resolution approving the ownership and maintenance agreement with the Metropolitan Council for the operation and maintenance of assets constructed with the Gold Line bus rapid transit project. >> Second a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Roll call, please. >> Council member Stafford. >> I. Council member Morris. >> Hi. >> Council member Santini. >> I. Council member Wilson. >> No. >> Mayor Bert. >> I. That resolution passes. All right. Now, Chris, you're up to talk about the transportation update. >> Well, it'll be a challenge to get through in four and a half minutes as council member Morris suggested, but I will do the best I can. I think it's u interesting. I feel like this has slowly evolved from a transportation update to just a construction update. So, I don't know if I got to get back to my roots, but sort of highlights a lot of the unique things that we are doing. And so, I'm pretty proud of that. >> We're not going to make it. So things we're talking about active construction, public safety, Bailey Road water tower water treatment plant pipeline project, Valley Creek Road, Bailey Road 2026 road rehab, Woodlane Drive, Bailey Road, Bailey Road and Manning, Intrepid Fiber to the home 2026 rejuvenator project. >> A lot. >> That is a lot. And these are the major things. But as I think you became aware of council, you know, just within the engineering department, we're handling well over 300 active projects. These are the ones you're really seeing highlighted uh tonight. This is a video of public safety. Krauss Anderson just recently shot it uh with the drone. I did the best I could. They were recording the video, so it's a little chunky, but uh and this is even outdated. Uh but they've made huge progress on removing the garage and the and really the southern side of uh the public safety campus that's existing. Uh if you go out there today, uh the north side uh is completely removed and they're now removing some of the material off the site. So, they're making major headway just in front of the property. Why is it dug up all in front of the window? That's really because that's where the old uh leaking geothermal system was located. So, we're now removing that and capping that uh in place of a new uh geothermal system. Um as I mentioned on the call earlier today, uh the Bailey Road water tower, um we just approved the logo uh last Monday and it was uh completed by Friday. So, it was amazing how quickly they put that up. Even though it looks somewhat finished on the outside, there's a lot of work to do on the inside. Uh moving equipment, piping, floors, other types of things. So again, we're still looking for uh late this year uh finish and completion, but this should really help us be more resilient in our water treatment and and storing water that's been treated. >> Record you can see that anywhere in Woodbury is 800 ft, right? >> It's enormous. 875 >> 875 ft. For those that are playing the home game, there was a trivia question that I got wrong. However, the entire council agreed with me that water towers are 800 feet. >> Forced into >> Yeah, you're only off by 700 feet. >> That's fine. >> Go big or go. >> I mean, it's close, right? >> I'm not in charge of the assessment policy. >> Wait, so clarity, how tall is it? I just >> I think it's, if I remember right, 175 180 ft. >> But then I didn't we it was like we were trying to assess from like four of you above sea level. And so that's why >> and that's that's actually only to the fill level. So the the water tower extends just beyond that a little bit >> about 500 ft. >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay, moving on. >> So go get >> Okay, Chris, when when will that be put in service? >> Uh that'll be put in service uh end of this year, but but certainly uh before the next irrigation summer cycle. >> Okay, great. All right, good. >> Good work. >> Um we also wanted to mix in a couple of approved pictures of the water treatment plant. Um Jim Westerman helped with some of the the nomenclature on here. So, lots of acronyms, but I'll just break it down to the non-engineers. Um, this is really the operation facility for the uh the concrete panled wall that's uh going to contain the vessel structures. So, this is really on the east side of the site. On the right hand side, you're seeing two of the 350,000 uh G um K high service pumping chambers. So that >> um this on the left side is a picture of one of the the half of the 2 million gallon clear well on and it's the east wall. >> So you can see all of this is buried underground. So you can see how substantially buried that is. And the picture on the right is what it looks like from the surface. So there's a lot that has been going on >> underneath the ground. An enormous amount of concrete and placement and rebar. So pretty impressive uh for what's going on. And um you can see that the the the tower crane there helping lift everything in place. Uh in terms of our water treatment plant projects on the north end of the map, um westbound Valley Creek Road east of Woodbury Drive remains reduced to one lane through September. Westbound Valley Creek Road is closed from Catalina Drive to Interlockan Parkway with phased reopening into the fall. So the westbound movement uh is is closed. Uh eastbound Valley Creek Road is scheduled to reopen tomorrow from Interlockan to KBY Lake Drive. So that should provide some relief for those residents. Yay. >> Oh, shucks. I was kind of liking that there was no traffic there. I could get I could get here a lot. I got the quiet part we had on the >> We'll keep it closed for you. >> Thank you. >> Westbound Valley Creek Road is scheduled to reopen from Interlock and Parkway to Kobe Lake Drive towards the end of next week. So that whole section east and westbound will be open. So that'll be relief for a lot of those neighborhoods that are there. Can I just make a one one one one observation? There is no um clear signage going westbound on Okay. westbound on Valley Creek from Woodbury Drive. So, as people are wanting to make a turn there to go westbound, it doesn't tell them that the road is closed until further up. So, cars are going up and then they're um having to make U-turns or I encountered someone just deciding to try to go the wrong way down Valley Creek to get to the next intersection. So, we need to have better signage up there that it's close to through traffic off of Woodbury Drive. >> We'll take a look at that tomorrow and we'll address it with the contractor. Makes sense. >> Chris, I have a question. Since we're talking about Valley Creek Road along that section, I know you're there. You're working on piping. Let's see. East of Woodbury Drive. At some point in time, are you gonna have to cut across Woodbury Drive and close that intersection? >> Yes. >> When do you have an idea of when that's going to happen? >> I don't recall that offh hand, but I bet you Tony Ksky, our city, does. >> Is this I'm assuming it's going to be sort of like what we had to do at radio >> at radio couple weeks or something, but tell us. >> Correct. uh for about a 4-week period, we will need to close the north um I'll call it north leg of Woodbury Drive uh at Delic Road. So, the east, west, and south would all be open. >> You would be able to go north, south through the intersection or go north >> just like we did at radio, but for four weeks and approximately when? >> Yeah, we have about three more weeks worth of work to finish um Valley Creek Road west of Woodbury Drive and then we would be able to cut through there. So, we're about 3 to 4 weeks out. >> Are you then going to route through Eagle Valley and through the Is that work then going to be completed on what's that with the new stoplight on Valley Creek? >> Eagle Creek Lane. >> Oh, Eagle Creek Lane. >> Yes. Is that then going to be the cut through the the little mini detour? >> No. How do you get to the north? would not need to be because uh it would we would our detour route then would detour traffic going northbound um at westbound on road north on radio and back east on Tamar Road >> but you can also go >> the official detail detour route is usually county road to county road >> where people go is a different matter we won't send people but traffic organically goes where >> Eagle Creek Lane would not be used at that time because you'd be able to get to >> everywhere Eagle Creek Lane brings you Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. All right. Warning people. That road's going to close for a while. >> Yeah. >> It is getting better, though. >> Okay. >> That's a That's a positive. >> Yeah. Okay. >> We've kind of through some of the the the hump. >> Yeah. >> Um on the south end of the map, Hargus Parkway is again closed from Pioneer Drive to the roundabout that accesses the fields. The roadway is anticipated to be reopened before East Ridge High School fall semester, >> which we know is important. Uh, Valley Creek Road trail project. Again, as water main testing is completed on Valley Creek Road, a new trail will be replaced on that north side. That's been in our CIP for almost 10 years. So, that'll be good to get that done. And if everyone remembers, we ended up getting grant funding to to support that project in coordination with this. >> So, Chris, I know for a while the pipe was not holding water testing. Is that fixed by now? >> Not yet, but they're working on it. No, no exact clarity on timing uh perfectly. is some of it's they're testing different segments and making sure it passes before they maybe this guy has more information. >> Yeah, we have a few more details from a meeting we had earlier today. Um the contractor has uh finished all pipe work for uh substantially here west of Woodbury Drive. It will jump back over east of Woodbury Drive here um probably not till middle or late next week. They're working on testing the pipe west of Woodbury Drive. Um they have a couple weeks worth of work on that pipe. Uh so they will be back over there working again we think the end of next week right now. >> How long it takes is a different scenario. >> They have a couple weeks worth of work to pull out and replace that pipe. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh the 2026 road rehab uh eastbound traffic along Afton Road from Tower Drive to Radio Drive is closed and anticipated to be reopened in late August. A detour route is established in coordination with this closure. Construction in phase three began July 9th and is anticipated to be completed by mid August. Phase 4, which is the uh color in green, uh is anticipated to start the week of August 3rd. So, this is really just an image showing asphalt paving along Aton Road. Uh that's going to be much improved. That section was getting pretty rough. >> Yeah, it's pretty rough. >> Uh Woodlane Drive pavement rehab. Uh Woodlane Drive from Wooddale Drive to Bailey Road is under construction and open to one-way traffic. A detour route has been established in coordination with each phase. Uh eastbound and westbound Wooddale Woodlane Drive intersection has finally been reopened just yesterday. Uh phases one and two are anticipated to be completed mid August. Phase three is anticipated to be complete by late September. And all of that project phasing has been coordinated with the water treatment plant pipeline projects. Um, this is an image of a skid steer removing curb and gutter on South Lake Road. It's really tiny, but you can just imagine it's over there popping up curb panels. And then, uh, this is an image of paving crews laying the base course of asphalt at the Woodlane Drive Courtley Road intersection. And when we say base course, it's just the first layer. Typically on city roads, there's two layers. On county roads, there can be multiple. Um, anything that's underneath that very top layer is the base. the Bailey Settlers Ridge Parkway intersection. >> Been dying to see this one. >> Yep. Major improvement. It's under construction uh beginning today. Uh the east, south, and west legs of the Bailey Road, Settler's Ridge Parkway, Cottage Grove Drive intersection are scheduled to open up to traffic. The north leg of the intersection is scheduled to close. Traffic on Settler's Ridge Parkway will be detourred via Lake Road, Woodbury Drive, and Bailey Road. And of course, you can sign up for that project being led by Washington County at washingtonmn.govcounty8 and click notify me. >> Okay, real quick. But when when is that northbound from Bailey on Settlers Ridge? When is that going to be completed and then open up? >> Well, I wish that was in the notes. >> Okay, cuz it's again >> two weeks. >> Two weeks. Okay. >> Three weeks. >> Three weeks. The whole roundabout will be open. And >> are you sure? Is it Does anybody here remember the Tom Hanks movie? What the hell was that? The >> money pit. >> Money pit where the contractor kept saying two weeks. >> Yes. >> Is that what we're talking about here? >> Okay. >> It's probably the poor hearing in my right ear. >> They've been making good progress. >> Okay. >> Yeah. As evidenced by this photo. That's That's amazing how much work they've got done. >> Yeah. >> Explain that movie to Jeff, would you? He doesn't. >> And then, yeah, this one too. >> Um, Mindad's constructing a new roundabout. The intersection of Bailey Road and Manning Avenue. Um, north south traffic is maintained on that temporary bypass road. Um, you can sign up for updates on MDOT's project web page. This project is anticipated to be completed yet this fall. No specific timing beyond that. And then you've probably seen this if you're in the southern part of the city. Intrepid Fiber is continuing to come to home. They now have, I think, approximately six crews. They continue to ramp up crews. Again, a great service to the community. So far, they've been doing a pretty good job of and coordinating with all of our staff and working through that. Uh, this just really shows the map. Everything in purple is scheduled in 2026 yet. Uh, yellow is being scheduled soon. And then blue uh in the there's some in in Woodbury and some just on the southern border in progress uh to be scheduled. And then lastly, our rejuvenator project. Uh we've made really good progress. Um it started on July 7th. Everything in blue has already been completed. Uh everything in that orange is still planned for construction. Uh major road roadways generally have short-term lane closures during the application process. Um and all those closures are coordinated throughout the city with everything. >> Just real quick, are the is this essentially parts of Pioneer and then Lake? Is that what the >> Yes, I think so. >> It's portions that were just recently completed last year. So I think it's Pioneer Lake. >> I think it's parts of it are Pioneer Lake. Okay. Yep. Hard to read from that map, but that's correct. >> And then uh lastly, throughout construction, we always remind people, we love this product that we're working on. It's it it got started with the water treatment plant, but we've been coordinating all of our roadway projects on there, making sure everything's looked at from a detour staging perspective. We encourage residents to again go to this web page, sign up for updates. Gives you all the latest and greatest information, things that are happening. As we know, construction is variable. depends on weather, depends on how fast the contractor moves. This keeps people up todate with with the information on a weekly basis. And as always, stay connected. Uh we have our inouch website. Sign up woodburym.govintouch. If you're like me, I sign up for every single one of those. Uh you can choose which ones you like for that. Do you have any questions? >> I do not have any. >> Thank you, Chris. All right. City administrator's report. >> Thank you, Mayor. I'll try to be >> Thank you, mayor. I'll try to be pretty brief here, but there are a few uh things going on in the community that uh um deserves a little bit of time here. So, first and foremost, uh Woodbury Lions will be hosting its 18th annual Dick Stafford charity golf tournament at Eagle Valley on Monday, uh August 10th. There's still spots available, so for those that are, um wanting to get on the links and u serve a good cause, uh please go to their website. Um all charities and proceeds go back to the community. Um at the uh workshop we talked at length about the uh parks and facilities long range plan. We had a status update. Uh one of that one of those updates was just about all the community engagement. That process is starting now. Uh so just encourage uh uh folks out there, residents, people who are use our parks uh a lot or if you just you don't and you want to see more amenities to go online. Uh we have a questionnaire as well as a a map that you can point out certain uh amenities or certain locations where what you would like to see. We're really looking forward and wanting to enhance arguably our greatest asset as a community, our park system. Uh looking down the road to make sure that we can um meet the the needs and uh and the desires of our community members. So now's the time to provide your feedback. Um so go to the website and check that out and sign up on InTouch. uh click on the uh I know Chris is already on there because he said he signs up for everything, but if you haven't if you want to get feedback and you care about our parks, uh sign up now. Um on August 4th, so just right around the corner, um we're going to be celebrating Night to Unite. I bring this up because the deadline for neighborhoods to sign up for a neighborhood party where uh police, fire, uh our lovely mayor and council will attend. um sign up by the 24th in order to make sure you're on the list. It's a wonderful night. Hopefully we have good weather. But uh it's a great way for the neighborhoods to um you know meet your neighbors if you haven't already, but also uh meet some of our finest folks that serve you uh protect you. Uh and we even have some fun fun games and fun toy fun toys for the kids as well. And Otis obviously will be making an appearance uh too. Uh in addition from a public pers uh public safety perspective, our um police department has partnered with Wounded Warrior Project. Again, they're uh facilitating a bike ride uh that will take place on Saturday, July 25th, beginning at 9:00 a.m. starting at the Veterans Memorial here at the City Hall campus uh and going all the way around to um the courtyard by Marriott right at Radio Drive and 94 essentially. I think Mayor, are you going to be saying a few words, too? >> I am at the 8:30 event at >> at the Veterans Memorial. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um, participate, go to our website to learn more or just be there in support of our support of the, uh, wounded warrior project >> map. The map is online because you because it folks line the streets and correct flags and waves anywhere on the along >> anywhere along that route. Bring flags. It'd be nice to see it lined this year. So, I really do encourage everybody to get out there and line this route. >> You wouldn't miss it. >> Thank you for that. Exactly. Uh two more uh two more things real quick. Filing period for our local elections, mayor and council are open. They'll be open until or it will be open until Tuesday, July 28th um at 5:00 p.m. Then there's a two-day retraction period. So if people filed and they have a have um second thoughts, they have until July 30th, so two days after at 5:00 p.m. as well. So far, I mean, this is great. People want to get involved. We have uh two running for mayor and nine running for the two council seats >> as of today. 10 >> 10 as of today. I'm sorry. Um so lot of lot of interest. That's great. Lastly, on Monday, uh city staff unveiled the incomebased ash tree removal assistance program. >> I know it just it doesn't sound like a very um you know attractive or eye-catching name, but it is really cool. Obviously, the emerald ashbor um epidemic or however you want to call it spread throughout the community. A lot of dead trees still. We've made a lot of progress, but it's a significant burden to homeowners uh regardless of, you know, your your demographics and your financial standing. Um, we've partnered our our staff has partnered with the federal government and received grant funds to assist incomequalified homeowners to help uh take down uh ash trees that you still have in your your yard. So, for folks that are interested, go to our website. Uh the application um window is started on Monday and it goes all the way till a uh August 9th uh or until money runs out essentially. There's some uh about five or so qualifications. You got to meet the income requirements. Um you have to own the property. You have to show kind of proof of of any um uh children or um other folks in the household. Um, but it's all straightforward. Uh, we've already got a fair amount of people that are have applied. So, please for those that are listening, for those that know somebody that might be interested, it's a really unique program that it's special to Woodbury because of our great staff that have um got some funds from the federal government for this particular purpose. So, go on our website and check it out. Uh, it ends the window ends um August 9th. >> And for clarification, that's to replant. Is that what you said? To replant >> or the removal assistance. >> Okay, got it. >> Yeah, it's several thousand dollars to remove a bigger tree. So, >> yeah. >> Yep. >> Minimum. >> Uh, and just to give you an idea of the income requirements for a household of one, the the limit is just under 74,000. Household of five is just under 114,000. So that's kind of the the range uh of of of limits there. So that's all. Thank you, mayor. >> Great. Thank you. Um that that's the last major item on our agenda, but we do have an item number 10, which is the fact that we need to adjourn to a close session. And I have an official statement I read need to read. So pursuant to Minnesota statute 13D.05 05 subdivision 3B. And based upon the advice of the city attorney, I recommend that the city council enter into and hold a closed meeting for the purpose of engaging in confidential and privileged litigation status and strategy discussions with our litigation council. The city attorney of Ecber Lambert PC regarding the estate of Raymond Lee versus the city of Woodbury litigation matter. Washington County District Court file number 82-CV-23-4267. The closed meeting will be held in the cherry conference room. The council will in the council will intend to adjourn the meeting at the end of the closed session without returning back to the open session. On the foregoing basis, I hereby make a motion to go into close session on this matter. >> Second. >> Motion is second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? >> I >> I We will now adjourn. Thank you.