Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I clicked over. There we go. Good evening. Welcome to the City of Woodbury's meeting tonight. This is we're kicking off tonight's meeting with the Housing and Redevelopment Authority meeting. We are here in Council Chambers. It is June 24th, 2026. Uh this meeting is taking place here in person. Um it's also being recorded by True Lens Media. Um it's also being broadcast live. You can find it on channel 799 on TV or the City of Woodbury's YouTube channel. Um Okay. Uh called to order. Janelle. I I'm called to order. Janelle, the roll call, please. Sorry. >> [laughter] >> Janelle, the roll call. >> Council member Stafford. >> Here. >> Council member Morris. >> Here. Member Morris, I should say. >> I'm a member. >> [laughter] >> Member Santini. >> Here. >> Member Wilson. >> Here. >> Chair Bert. >> Here. >> We are all here tonight, so we're able to conduct tonight's business. Uh, we have one item on the consent agenda. And that is the approval of the HRA minutes. Um, that's only one item. So, would somebody like to make a motion? >> I'll move to approve consent agenda item 3A. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, the roll call, please. Member Stafford. >> Aye. >> Member Morris. >> Aye. >> Member Santini. >> Aye. >> Member Wilson. >> Aye. >> Chair Bert. >> Aye. >> Those minutes pass. We are moving on. No No public hearing tonight, but we do have a discussion item, and that is the consideration of adoption uh, of the Housing and Redevelopment Authority Affordable Housing Development Assistance Policy. Jamie, take it away. >> Thank you, Chair Bert. Thank you, Chair Bert. Good evening, everybody. Um, so back at a 2025 Council work shop, Council directed staff to craft a policy establishing an affordable housing development assistance policy. Uh, the policy is included in tonight's HRA packet and is titled HRAD 1.7 Affordable Housing Development Assistance Policy. So, what this policy does is it creates a framework for the HRA to provide financial assistance to new affordable housing developments. Um, it establishes formal procedures for requesting funds for a project. So, that'd be an application process, determining eligible projects and expenditures, project underwriting, loan terms, and compliance monitoring. Financial assistance through this program would be funded with the city's local affordable housing aid, otherwise known as LAHA. However, this policy could also be applied to our HUD grant programs that also offer development assistance for new construction. So, some policy highlights. Um it prioritizes units serving households equal to or less than 50% of the area median income, also known as AMI. Uh assistance will be provided as a subordinate loan. The loan terms will depend on the financial need of each individual project. Uh grant requests will not be accepted for this program. Uh loans that are issued through the program are going to be secured by a mortgage, a promissory note, and also a land use or deed restriction. Um the period of affordability and loan term maximum would be 30 years or co-terminous with any other senior public financial instrument that they're using to finance the project. So, if it's more than 30 years, we'd match up at 30. If it's less than 30 years, we'd try to match it up with that senior loan. And the affordability period would be secured through that land use agreement or that deed restriction on the property that would be recorded with the mortgage. Um and then the the developer is also going to be responsible for an application fee to cover staff time that's used to process these. And then they're also going to be responsible for any closing costs that are associated with this program. Um and you know, that's something that could be paid out of their loan or they could use some other source of income I mean financing for that. But the overall goal of this policy is to really have the funds repaid over time and into the future and be a patient lender and prioritizing affordability over being repaid as soon as possible. Um and repaid funds through this policy it would be like a re- revolving loan type program. When those funds come back, we strengthen our pool that could go out to a future projects uh for, you know, a loan or some other type of assistance. So, why is this policy needed? Um the city currently doesn't have a formal lending process related to housing development. Uh it provides additional transparency for the public and developers. So, developers will know what to expect when they're doing business in the city of Woodbury, and the public is also going to have additional insight into the process of how these deals are requested and how they're made. Um and then another you know, big point with this is uh Woodbury's difficult development area or DDA designation has been removed from Woodbury. We don't know if it's going to come back. The US Department of Housing and Urban Development, HUD, is the one that makes the designations. And without the DDA, we anticipate that um need and requests for gap financing are going to continue or increase into the future without this incentive here in the city. And just for example of how big of an impact the DDA has had for the city, over the last five or six years, um it's assisted with almost a thousand affordable units being developed within the 55129 zip code. And most And most recently, um it provided a tax credit equity boost for our two most recent projects of nearly $10 million for each project. So, that's a very significant boost that projects wouldn't be able to get in other areas of the the metro. So, [clears throat] staff's recommendation tonight is uh for the HRA to adopt HRA resolution 26-04 adopting H-RAD 1.7 Housing and Redevelopment Authority Affordable Housing Development Assistance Policy. And with that, I'll open it up to questions. >> Um I'd just like to add that we have workshopped this. This is not brand new news to us. You're providing a summary for us, which is great. We have a lot of people in the audience that may not understand or know what LAHA is. Can you just explain that? Where do those funds come from? And roughly how much it is that we're seeing in the city of Woodbury? >> Right. So, let's give a high-level overview. So, Local Affordable Housing Aid or LAHA um was passed in by the state legislature in 2023. It was a sales tax that is just in the metro area. I believe it was a quarter cent or quarter percent. >> Mhm. >> Um and what that money does is it goes into a pot that the Department of Revenue then distributes to all the metro cities within the Twin City area um based on the number of cost burden households, so households that are have residents that are struggling to pay their rent or pay their mortgages, and that's what they base their disbursement on. And currently, well, this last year, um I'm not sure what this year's amount is going to be at. I think we're going to find out in a week, but in 2025, we received just about $845,000 to um you know, for various affordable housing and just general housing, so rental and ownership um opportunities and projects. >> Great. Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> I think it would be good to note that those fund the use of those funds are restricted funds. There are there is a minute set up, so [clears throat] we can't use it for operating costs, we can't use it for street sweeping, etc., etc. So, that that low the LAHA funding, the housing part of that is very specific in the what are we can and can't use that for. And there's also an expiration date on those funds. Is that right? >> Correct. >> Yeah. So, we have to use it within x amount of years, 36 months or something like >> Right. So, you have to commit the funds within 3 years of receiving it, and then by the fourth year, you need to actually spend it on the project you committed to. >> Right. So, this truly is a use it or lose it type type situation for us. >> Correct. >> Yep. >> [clears throat] >> Great. >> Yeah, I know. Just um I never tell if it's on or off. Sorry. Um So, this would go into this this would be applicable to the I get them the land trust land What is it called? Do you know? >> Land banking? >> Land >> There's a separate land banking policy, Councilmember Wilson, that we I think approved a couple months ago. [clears throat] >> Great. So, this is a policy for direct financial aid through a loan that would have to be repaid. >> here I see that that we would require maybe income limits or um yearly or annual um check check income checks. So, some of our affordable housing complexes, once you're in, you're in. There there is no requirement to prove that you still qualify for that affordable [clears throat] housing. >> Right. So, with this program, um we anticipate most projects that come to us to be under the low-income housing tax credit program. That does go through, you know, you move in with your income limit, and then throughout your time there, there is a point where income is checked because you can't have the reporting that they need to do with the state, there's a certain percentage of residents you can't have that aren't qualified to be in those units. So, there are income checks beyond the initial move-in eligibility screening. Um but yeah, that that's typically what we would anticipate coming for these funds would be those tax credit programs. Um and then, you know, on the other side of things, there might be a project that has a mix of market units and some tax credit units or some market units with some other units that have vouchers attached to them. Um so, there's a lot of different types of properties that would have different varying income levels and rent limits that they could place based on the income. >> And so, that that could also be then [clears throat] like a a for-profit company then that would come in and build something maybe at market rate and then x amount of apartments are considered low income or voucher. Correct? >> Yep, it could be a mix of market, but market units in the policy could not be funded with the funds that we gave them. It would have to strictly go to the units that are actually going to be affordable and reserved for people at certain incomes. And we would require them to verify that those units >> So they if they have 20 units or 10 units, we would just take out the cost of those 10 units and only fund those 10 units. >> If that's what they were going to use the funds for, yeah. It wouldn't be for the, you know, the aggregate of all the units together and the costs for that building. We would want to prorate that to what's actually going to be affordable. >> So if they were to use it for [clears throat] parks or the open space around the apartment complex, that would be acceptable or would we How would >> That's outside the law hall restrictions. >> Yeah. It says it would not be used for like non-housing related amenities. Sorry, I thought I saw something other here. Now I just scrolled [snorts and clears throat] past it, so. All right. Um and um and Janelle, you know, is it the land the two rivers? What's Is that Would that be under this then? >> That's a land trust. >> Yeah. >> So that has a different policy. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Well, that those types of projects aren't something that would fall under this cuz they're not typically looking for loans that need to be repaid for those projects. They're looking for grants. >> Correct. Okay. >> So this would be somebody building new housing that needs gap financing. >> Got it. All right. Thank you. That's what I needed to know. >> Jamie, is there a limit on the applica- I'm sorry, what? >> No. >> You're okay. >> On the applicant's receipt of these funds? Is it one-time? Is it Is there no end? >> Um it would be one loan per project. >> Okay. So if they had two or three projects, they could apply and possibly receive funding. >> For a different project, yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> But that would come down to are they in good standing? How's that other cuz these these requests would come to HRA, City Council for that final approval and to talk with the developer about those projects. >> And presumably you're getting funds elsewhere and they would have to show that those funds have been pursued in that way. >> Right. Yeah, cuz another component that you'll see is we're going to do a butt for test when these projects come to us. If not for this, it would would wouldn't happen. >> Right. >> Nice. Yeah. >> So So if I can just go back to So it says procedures, eligible applicants, nonprofit or for-profit housing. And then it says community land trusts or mission-driven organizations. So >> Right. So that could be I'm just trying to think of an example that isn't Two Rivers cuz that's different. >> what about >> [laughter] >> There was the one play There's two um in Washington County. I feel like there's one in Stillwater. It's a 65-unit community. >> Right. Yeah. Yeah, so there are multi-family properties that have a similar ownership model to decrease the cost to construct the multi-family unit. So they may not own the land that's underneath the apartment building, but they own the structure of the apartment building, right. >> This policy is not a land trust policy. So if they were coming to us with a an attempt to do something like a to purchase the land, this this particular is policy says, "No, that's a different policy. We have a different policy that it that manages that." Correct? >> Right. That would be a Yeah. Like Yeah, right. >> is not the dirt. This is what's on the dirt. >> Oh, okay. Well, then I must be confused if what it says is >> land trusts could come, they could purchase the dirt. >> Correct. And then they can build >> Yeah, you're mistaking the [clears throat] difference between the entity that's making the application and the the project. >> Right. >> The land trust could be the entity that's doing it. >> Correct. >> is for the the structure on the It's not the dirt. >> Correct. >> anybody that for-profit, non-profit, doesn't matter. >> Yes. >> The dirt underneath in a land trust is a completely different >> Correct. >> Yes. This is the improvement on the >> And that's [clears throat] pretty rare to have that model for multi-family. And so this would more than likely be going to someone who's We're buying this land, we're going to develop it, we're going to be owner-operator of this property into the future. >> And for the record, too, even our our workforce housing [clears throat] and the housing that we do have, Dominion is a for-profit company. It's not a non-profit organization, as well. So we don't we don't have any. So more power to them if they We'd love it. But, you know. >> So I should have Okay. So when it says eligible uses and land acquisition, site preparation, general construction costs, are those I'm [snorts] So this is where you're saying one thing and I feel like I'm reading another. >> [clears throat] >> Packet page nine of our packet. >> land and buildings >> [snorts] >> Woodbury funds may not be used to support market rate units. Eligible uses of development assistance may include land acquisition, site preparation, general construction costs, sustainability, energy efficiency features, resident amenities, parks and open space related to the development, or soft costs directly related to project >> me ask a clarifying question then. Okay. If if this is a if a land trust is coming and only doing it as a part of our requirement then that there's development done on the land. >> Right. This program would be to you're going to build a multi-family unit. You have a real project that's coming through. >> Okay. So but but to to Councilmember Sorry, what are we doing? Or member Member Wilson? >> Member I don't know what >> [laughter] >> To prevent that from happening from somebody sitting and banking that in a land banking that, do we need to put that that clarification is you can you can use [clears throat] these funds for the purchase of the dirt, but you have to have you have to improve upon the the land. >> Yeah, so if you look I forgot what part of the policy it is, but if somebody is going to apply for this loan, they have a project that's come to council. Like this is a real thing that's >> To prevent somebody from using it for land banking purposes. >> Right, or we're issuing a loan to someone that isn't ready to build or do their project. >> Okay. >> But that's what I I like to me the policy is you have to provide housing, so you can't just have >> You can't just bank it. >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, no this is for construction projects that have council fingerprints on it. Right. >> But there have been other projects that have had council approval that have not gone forward. I just wanted the funding needed for that. I just want to point point that out that that they've [clears throat] come forward and said, "We're going to do this." And then it's not getting done. It's not getting done. >> funding sources they got to they got to get it >> Right, cuz all these layered sources, they all they all close at the same time when these construction loans are being issued. So if they're just not happening, then everyone's taking their funds off the table and the funds aren't going out the door. >> And it also has to go through our normal project I mean it's going to be planning commission, it's going to be council. I mean it's got to also then be approved project before it can even >> [clears throat] >> Right, and then they need their sources and uses confirmed with us. So if they're going to the CDA to get tax credits, if they're coming to the HRA to get housing revenue bonds, those things need to be in place, secured, committed before they're coming to us. >> Okay. >> So we can do that gap analysis and see how much money they actually need per unit. >> stop. >> Exactly. We're the we're the butt for. >> Love it. >> Right. >> You know how I think. And I and I think what what's the worst case scenario? >> Mhm. >> And so [clears throat] in the worst case scenario and and Jamie used used this this terminology and I grimaced when he when he said it because we've done another loan program that was supposed to be self-sustaining and ended up not being in the HRA, right? So, I just want to caution the members is that we don't have to look very far in the in the seven-county metro to see communities that are facing some pretty serious deficits in their budgets and they're going to have to adjust programs that that if this were to be approved today, this is not a forever policy. That if funding mechanisms change, if law particularly law has the state decides to adjust or change that the funding mechanisms. This is not a I would I would caution against this being a forever policy and when we start issuing loans that we watch at the fund balance of of how much we're loaning out and how much we're re cuz the regenerating through this because we've we've experienced this before in our other program. It was not regenerating at a rate that was self-sustaining and we had to keep seeding it. And that's fine and that's another decision. I just don't want us to go into this with a without the with that understanding of what's going to be self-sustaining. Right? >> Well, but I don't think that this is supposed to be self-sustaining at all given it's supposed to be forgivable loans. If they had like I mean I guess >> Well, he used the phrase, so I wanted to >> Well, two two parts. So, I'll clarify for what I said for you. So, in the policy it states this is a first-come, first-serve and loan amounts are based on what we have available. So, we're not guaranteeing we have X number of dollars available. We're going to have the policy. If someone wants to make a request, we let them know how much we have. If we don't have anything, then we can't do anything for you. We're not going to go somewhere else to, you know, say we have a million dollars every year to lend to a project. >> is that reviewed in the HRA budget every year? >> So, that's So, LAHA has its own fund. So, we'll see that in LAHA in that budget of what went out. And then since the HRA is the one holding the asset, so the loan that's out, that will be accounted for. The loans that are out through the HRA budget. >> Okay. that makes sense. >> So, then on the forgivable side, I guess I was curious just the true [clears throat] administration >> Right. So, the ultimate goal is for the Well, not the goal, but it would have to be a project with substantial public benefit for it to be forgiven. So, that We want to get this money back because >> Thank you. >> we want to put it back into future projects. And a lot of these projects that get tax credits, they don't want things to be forgiven or granted to them because it impacts their equity calculations for how these tax credits are given to them. It kind of is backwards, so cuz I can't They're counting it as income if you forgive loans, right? So, if you're So, if you're making income and you have these other senior loans that are above ours, and they're like, "Well, looks like you can pay us back a little early, or maybe we can adjust something else." So, a forgivable loan would be something that I can't even really think of an example right now, but it would have to be exceptional public benefit above and beyond type project that's offering something that most others wouldn't. But, in most instances, I mean, these are going to be deferred payment loans with maybe like a zero with no interest or maybe up to 2% or we defer all payments until the project actually has cash flow after they paid off their senior debt, and then we would maybe ask for the money back. But, the goal is we want to get the money out there so the projects can happen. We want to be patient, and then when it does come back, we recycle that into future projects. >> Okay. Good. That was good discussion. >> It It was [clears throat] good. I I appreciate it. And this is just a policy. >> Policy. >> Those things would still come before Council for approval. >> Exactly. And we're going to have an application process, so there will be steps for that. We're going to have our underwriting process and things that we bring to Council. we're going to vet that and have that information. >> yes to this today as a tool doesn't [clears throat] limit my ability to say no to a project and the funding sources that are being put >> This is just setting up the process to request it and the process of how we're going to vet it before we bring it here. >> Cuz does this policy then have to get vetted by whomever is administrating LAHA? >> Can >> At the state level? >> Yeah, so whoever is administrating our use of LAHA funds, does this policy then have to go to them for review and make sure it checks the box? >> no, it's it's our policy. We just need to make sure we're spending it on an an eligible use and affordable housing new construction. >> but okay. >> I'm >> I'm not going >> Full steam ahead. >> going to use that. >> Full steam ahead. >> [laughter] >> Uh are we good? >> We're good. I'm good. >> I'll make a motion to adopt. Uh Jamie didn't have it on the screen. I'll make a motion to adopt eight uh HRED 1.7 Housing and Redevelopment Authority Affordable Housing Development Assistance Policy. >> Also resolution 26-01. >> Thank you. There it is. >> [laughter] >> What Jen said. >> I'll second. >> Thank you. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? >> No. >> Hearing none, the roll call, please. >> Member Stafford? >> Yes, I. >> Member Morris? >> I. >> Member Santini? >> I. >> Member Wilson? >> With reservation, yes. >> [laughter] >> Chair Burt? >> I. >> That policy passes. Jamie, thank you for all the work on that. >> Thank you. >> Um that is all we have for this uh HRA meeting, so I make a motion that we adjourn this meeting. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? Hearing [clears throat] none, all in favor? >> I. >> I. >> All right, we are adjourned. Uh the cable >> Good evening. Welcome to the city Woodbury's City Council meeting for today. It is June 24th, 2026. Uh this meeting picked up just after the conclusion of the HRA meeting. It is now 7:53 p.m. Um the meeting is taking place uh in person. We do have a lot of people in the audience, so good to see folks here tonight. Um it's also being recorded by TruLens Community Media. Um it's uh broadcast live, so people could be watching from home and live right now if they wanted to. It's also replayed on cable channel 799, and it's also available on the city of uh Woodbury's YouTube channel. Um Yeah, I think that's it for my summary. Um please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay, Angela, would you please do the roll call? >> Council Member Wilson. >> Here. >> Council Member Stafford. >> Here. >> Council Member Morris. >> Here. >> Council Member Santini. >> Here. >> Mayor Burt. >> Here. We're all here tonight able to conduct tonight's business. Our very first item on the agenda is a special order of business. These are usually a really nice thing. This is the presentation of the Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association Award of Excellence to our renovated Central Park. And I'd like to invite up Jared Fluellen. Do I get that name right? Welcome, Jared. Um and we might also be having up uh Reed Smith and Michelle Okada from our Parks and Rec Committee, but uh welcome, Jared. I heard you're also a Woodbury resident. >> Woodbury resident, yes. >> Awesome. Fantastic. >> Thank you for all that you do. Uh Mayor and Council, it's an honor to be here tonight to present a Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association 2025 Award of Excellence to the city of Woodbury. Before I do that, I'd like to take a few to tell you about the Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association. The Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association was formed in 1937 to foster the growth and development of parks and recreation profession throughout the state. Presently, we have approximately 850 members from municipal, county, state, district, commercial, and private agencies. The MRPA Award of Excellence program was created to recognize agencies and their staff for an outstanding and unique project from this past year. The Awards Committee feels it is important to increase awareness and appreciation for the excellent parks, trails, facilities, recreation programs, and services that are occurring in Minnesota. The Central Park project is a great example of a project in Minnesota that meets the criteria of excellence. In fact, the project has received the highest recognition recognition, receiving the Tommy Johnson Award, which will be presented at the MRPA annual meeting. Congratulations to Reed Smith for submitting an excellent nomination. Thank you, Mayor and Council, for your continued support in parks and recreation. As a resident of Woodbury and a frequent user of the facility, I'm so proud of this amazing parks and recreation system and the people behind it. Director Ocada and her team continue to display the ex- exceptional talent of Woodbury Parks and Recreation Department on a state level. On behalf of the MRPA Awards Committee, it's my pleasure today to present the Award of Excellence to the City of Woodbury for the Central Park project. >> Outstanding. ALL RIGHT. [applause] JARED, REAL QUICK. JARED, REAL QUICK. WHAT EXACTLY IS your role in the organization? >> I actually work for the City of Eagan. I'm the Assistant Parks and Recreation Director. >> Okay, but >> I'm I'm on the committee for the awards. >> Got it. Okay, fantastic. What's better, ours or our city or >> [laughter] >> I mean, you live here. You live here. >> Sometimes we do pictures. Are we going to do pictures? >> Yes, we are. And do you want to say anything? No, nothing Michelle or does Reed want to say something? On No? >> Just real quickly, thank you Mayor, Council, and our community, our state level, all of our partners. It's It's a wonderful amenity because of everyone that was part of it. So, thank you all. >> Yeah, it is. It is wonderful. Um how many people in the room have actually been to the renovated Central Park to see it? Yeah, great. If you haven't, encourage you to swing by. It's really beautifully done. It's been expanded. Lots of space to hang out and uh take the kids on the slides and go play What's that game they play? >> Mahjong. >> Mahjong. All kinds of great things going on over there. So, yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. I heard. Yeah, stand for a photo. Sure. Can you guys Yeah, just want to go there? Sure. Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> Okay, 1 2 3. And I'm going to try and go this way. 1 2 3. Perfect. Awesome. Can we take a peek at the award? That looks really fancy. >> It does. >> Wow, [clears throat] beautiful. All right, where's this going to get hung? Is this going in your office? You'll hang it at Central Park? Somewhere at Central Park. >> [laughter] >> Thank you. Another cool thing I love about Central Park is we now have an area where we hang our art is hung. And boy, the display changes in there is some amazing art that gets hung there. So, go check that out, too. Really cool to see. Congratulations again to the team that took many years and a lot of work to come to this, but it's great that it's mostly done. There's a few little things that need still tweaking, but it's It's pretty good. Okay, we'll now move over on to the open forum portion of the meeting. So we've got some new people. So I'm just I'm going to review it. We've open forum is kind of a detailed thing. So this is the portion of the council meeting where a maximum of three persons will be allowed to address the council on subjects which are not part of the meeting agenda. I'll just make a note that we have had a lot of the same topic over the last several meetings. So I have made an allowance for allowing another topic or two in case we just keep having the same one over and over again. We want to give various members of the community a chance to speak. So I actually have four sheets here tonight. So I probably will be taking all four. You have filled out a green sheet. So I thank you for that. When you come up, please provide your name and just your city of residence when you speak. You're allowed 3 minutes and this is how we do it. There'll be a timer over there. We'll do a 3-minute countdown. There's a green, yellow, red light system that'll be there. It starts green. When there's 1 minute left, it turns yellow. And then when the 3 minutes are up, it turns red. So we just ask to be respectful of the time. There's no big buzzer going off or anything, but just be be respectful to give everyone else a chance to speak. So with that, I'm just going to go in order that I have here. So I have Kim Leonardson. Um Welcome and yeah, please step forward and tell us what you're what you're here to speak about. And >> And Mayor can I just interrupt real quick? And the the folks that turned in a green sheet for the Bailey Master Plan, that'll you'll have your opportunity when that item comes up on the agenda. >> not open forum. That's a section 8B. So if you're here for the Bailey Master Plan, I have two sheets for that. But right now, okay, it looks like we got people standing. These are support members with you? Okay, fantastic. Take it away, Kim. >> I live in Woodbury. Mayor Burton members of the City Council, I'm here today to bring to your attention the unacceptable [clears throat] 66% increase in the cost of sewer for the Rolling Acres development. Rolling Acres is the only development in Woodbury that has private wells and sewer service through Newport. There have been three agreements between Woodbury and Newport regarding sewer service since 1977. Rolling Acres was connected under the 1977 agreement. The second agreement in 2019 did not change the Rolling Acres sewer billing. Article 3.6 of the 2019 agreement stated, quote, "All fees charged for any residential connection to the sanitary sewer system shall be fair and equitable." End quote. The third agreement dated on October of 25, with no council approval or public input, transferred sanitary sewer billing from Woodbury to Newport. The 2019 language that all fees shall be fair and equitable was removed. That removal appears to be deliberate. Our sewer uh costs increased from $113 to $188 per quarter. The 66% increase is not fair or equitable. According to Minnesota DNR, the average person uses approximately 4,700 gallons of water per quarter. My metered Culligan system registers 6,000 gallons per quarter for two people. It's a far cry from the 14,000 gallons that I am being billed. It is important to note that all of the residents, included in the 2025 joint powers agreement, have metered water and sewer through Newport and pay based on their actual usage. No matter how you look at this, the property owners at Rolling Acres are the collateral damage to the 2025 joint powers agreement. I'm very disappointed that there was no concern or consideration on the impact of this billing change. We pay taxes and vote like all other Woodbury residents. We should have equal representation. I request that Woodbury amend the 2025 joint powers agreement to ensure that all Woodbury property owners are treated equally and are only paying their fair share for sewer. This can be achieved by two proposed solutions. Solution one, install meters at the request of property owners so that our bills reflect actual usage. If a homeowner chooses not to have a meter installed, then lower the usage to 10,000 gallons since 2/3 of the Rolling Acres homes only have one or two occupants. Solution two is remove the 78 homes in Rolling Acres from the joint powers agreement and go back to having Woodbury provide the billing since they currently bill us for storm sewers storm sewer. As elected officials, you are to represent your citizens and treat them fairly and equally. A 66% increase to a portion of Woodbury property owners is not fair, equitable, or reasonable. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. >> Um I would just like to add I did miss something that I normally say when I talk about the open forum and that is that the council does listen attentively to comments, but in most instances we do not respond at the meeting. I think you probably knew that. This has been a bit of an on a a This has been an issue. It's been addressed a staff's working on it. They're talking about it. I don't have an answer for you today. I thank you all for coming forward to share your thoughts and we will um council will follow up to see where we stand on this >> going forward. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, I'd now like to invite up Bill Rout. And just name and city of residence. >> Bill Rout and I live in Woodbury. Uh on. Mayor Burt, city council members, city staff, fellow Woodbury resident, good evening. My name is Bill [snorts] Routt and I live in Bailey's Harbor. I'm here tonight not to complain, not to demand and not to pressure anyone. I'm here to say thank you and to share what I believe we should all take a breath and recognize what we have here. Recently, nearly a thousand randomly selected Woodbury households responded to a scientific survey asked [snorts] to give honest feedback on how their city is being run. Here's what they said. Nine in 10 residents rate their quality of life here as excellent or good. Nine in 10, that's not a marketing slogan. That's your neighbors talking. More than 80% of the job the mayor 80% approve the job the mayor and the city council are doing. Thanks, guys. Eight in 10 [snorts] rate the city staff performance as excellent or good. Three quarters of the respondents feel connected to the community itself and nearly nine in 10 of us feel safe. This is extraordinary. >> [snorts] >> The results weren't collected by the city to make itself look good. They were collected to the to hold the community, this leadership, accountable. And what they found should make every single person in this room proud. Proud to be a part of Woodbury. People often rise to this podium first frustrated. Democracy works that way and it should. But I'd ask those who feel the urgency to legislate against things that haven't happened, to ban things that haven't arrived, and to mandate things the community is genuinely divided on, to consider what that posture costs us. We push our city council to take binding votes on federal immigration informants questions. We put our locally elected officials in an impossible position on an issue outside their jurisdiction if we do this. If we distract them from, in this case, from roads, parks, trails, and services, by every measure, each one of those things are working beautifully. When we demand that cameras designed to keep our community safe be dismantled over fears of hypothetical misuse, we should ask ourselves how nine and 10 of us say we feel here. That doesn't [snorts] happen by accident. It happens because our police and public safety teams are doing their jobs well, and they deserve our trust until we have specific documented reasons to withdraw it. When half the community supports backyard chickens and then half doesn't, that's not a crisis. That's democracy democracy telling the council, "Study this carefully. Go slow and don't let the loudest voice voices in either direction decide for everyone." I'm not here to tell anyone their concerns aren't real. I'm here to say look [clears throat] at the full picture. This survey tells us that Woodbury city staff show up with excellence. That this council governs with integrity. That this community, our community, is genuinely one of the best places to live in this state and in this country. The people of this diocese did not stumble into these results. They earned them year after year making thoughtful, balanced decisions for all of us. Not just the ones who show up outraged on any given Wednesday night. >> [snorts] >> So, tonight I'm asking my fellow residents, let's be the people who say thank you as loudly as we say we object. Let's protect what's working. Let's trust the process and let's remember that nine out of 10 of our neighbors, people just like us, think Woodbury is a wonderful place to live. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> [applause] >> It was nice to hear. Thank you very much. Um I'll now invite up Andrea Rapella. >> [clears throat] >> Hi there. My name's Andrea Rapella. My pronouns are she/her and I live in Woodbury. You've heard a lot about proposal like a proposed resolution this year, but I want to focus on something else, safety. Passing this resolution helps people from marginalized communities feel safe in our community. That's all we're asking for. The person before me said nine out of 10. That is a majority group that is not a marginalized group. We want people to feel comfortable knowing that they can bring their families to Starlight Cinema and Ojibway Park. Let them see bad guys too and not worry about the actual bad guys showing up to kidnap them. This isn't right versus left. It's right versus wrong. The people you keep inadvertently protecting here have murdered Minnesotans and caused death all over the United States. They're starving and traumatizing children and adults by denying them their basic human rights. Many of whom are actual citizens of the United States. I don't want you to know what it's like to live in fear because of who you are. But I wish you could understand that. I can't compare myself to somebody who is an immigrant to this country, but I do know what it what it is like to be afraid to be in the community that you are in. I know that. Minnesota is a safety net. But to keep that, we need to continue to strengthen it. Whenever I talk to people who have fled other states, they're surprised by how different things are here. Let's work to keep things that way. So I ask you, do you care about the people you represent, all of the people you represent? If you do, you'll vote on a resolution or you'll work to change it. We're not going to rest until we do. >> [applause] >> And next I'd like to invite up Karen Bauman. >> Hi Mayor and Council members, my name is Karen Bauman. I live in Woodbury. Um I'm also here to support ICE. It is a federal law enforcement agency that we need um for the purpose that it's it was there. It it happened after 9/11. People tend to forget. We had a world where we were not protected and so we are protected now. Um but what what I really want to get to is what the other gentleman said. This is the city council. They take care of the city. And your legislative your local legislative people, I've seen it on their page. People keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting. You're fighting the wrong agency. I don't know what you don't understand. I work with immigration all day long in my job. I don't know what you don't get, but it's a federal agency. Your legislative people that are telling you and using you to do this, they could be the ones fighting for you at the federal agency. Betty McCollum, Amy Klobuchar, Amanda who sits in this room. These are people that could fight it, but instead they're asking you to stand up and come to a city council that has nothing to do with it. That's called stupidity, people. So go look up what actually has happened with ICE. Over the years, these things that you feared were all going on. As soon as this all started, I started educating myself. Under Obama, they were dragged out of cars. They were all the same things that are going on. The detention, people died in those detention facilities the same way. What needs to be looked at is immigration itself. It hasn't been looked at and that is done by a federal agency. That's done by your legislative people who really don't care. They use you when it's a voting season. And I don't know when you people are going to understand that, but you better get your head together and start looking at them and say, "Why are you making me stand up at a city council meeting and do this when you could go talk to the federal agencies yourself and start passing some new laws on immigration." It's utterly ridiculous to take up the city council's time to do this. So, thank you. >> [applause] [applause] >> No, there was a There was four. There was four and there was 4B. Yes. Thank you. Um, appreciate all those comments very much. We'll now move on to our consent agenda. All items listed under the consent agenda are considered to be routine by the city council and will be enacted by one motion and an affirmative vote of roll call by the majority of the members present. There'll be no separate discussion of these items unless a council member or a citizen so requests. Which if that the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered a separate subject of discussion by the council. So, with that we just only have tonight only four items on our uh, consent agenda and anyone like to put forth a motion? >> Excuse me, can I have a moment please? I just have one question. Just for a point of clarification, kind of a uh, what we did in the HRA meeting, we have the capital improvement plan. We're just adopting a plan. We are not adopting everything in that plan. This is just to go forward and say, "This is what our plan is." Those things still come back to us and we still have the right to refuse any project at the >> That capital plan is a planning document. It lays out for the next five years and sometimes longer where where where things come, but it's all going to come back and the first year of the capital improvement plan is placed into our budget. So, we'll be looking and evaluating that. Please welcome here in just a moment. We have the meeting in September um, for the budget review and that's where this first items are put in. First year items. Thank you for clarification, Mayor. >> Allocation of resources. >> There you go. >> Good clarification. >> Okay. Thank you. Now, um, anybody with a motion? >> Anybody We're not pulling Oregon? >> I'll make a motion to approve, uh, consent agenda items 6A through 6D. >> Second. >> Motion is second. Any further discussion? >> [clears throat] >> Hearing none, the roll call, please, Angela. >> Council Member Stafford. >> Aye. >> Council Member Morris. >> Aye. >> Council Member Santini. >> Aye. >> Council Member Wilson. >> Aye. >> Mayor Burt. >> Aye. >> Those consent agenda items do pass. We'll now move on to our public hearing. Yes. >> Is, um, Council Member Morris going to talk about the toilets, like he usually does his accolades? >> going to sum that Do you have Do you have a side comment after I guess not. He's not prepared for that. He's looking like deer in the headlights. >> It's water conservation, the grant, water efficiency for the toilet program. >> I have moved off of my anti-toilet position after I realized how much water it saves. >> lot. We're saving a lot of water in this grant agreement. Does anyone want to talk about >> changed I have since changed my mind since I realized how much water they save, and I'm now pro [clears throat] toilet program. >> There you go. >> Thank you for that that plug. >> High efficiency High efficiency toilet flushing. >> Thank you for remembering that. >> Okay. Um, okay. I was getting on that We have just have one item for a public hearing. Uh, normally these are a little more complex and I have to read this long paragraph. I'm not going to because this is simply a liquor license review, so, um, I'm going to skip the long thing. But that's That said, um, I'm opening the hearing for, um, considering the approval of an on-site in Texarkana liquor license for, um, Hazelwood Food & Drink just because I think it's been a bit of an ownership change. So, Angela, can you give us some more information on this, please? >> Yep. Thank you, Mayor. Members of Council. Um, so, for before you tonight is a liquor license consideration for Create Restaurants Minnesota LLC doing business as Hazelwood Food and Drink. Uh we have a map on the on the screen there doing business at 9240 Hudson Road. Very straightforward. It's uh owned by a corporation. No uh no owner having more than 5% or more interest in the business. Um the new owner is already operating or intending to operate the business in the same manner as it was before. So it's the same um as currently licensed. All necessary fees have been submitted. The city attorney has reviewed the application, deemed acceptable, background check has been completed. Um public hearing notices as required have all been mailed and provided. And staff recommendation is on the screen there. I would note we do have the general manager Brandon Lively is in attendance should you have any questions for him. >> Uh this is pretty straightforward. I don't have any questions. If you want to say something, you're welcome to, but Nope, you're good. Okay. Um I don't have any green sheets on this. I'm going to make a motion that we close the hearing. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. Okay, the hearing is closed. Now up to council. And again, pretty straightforward, so I might just require a motion unless you have a question. >> Uh is that the menu? >> at the menu if you like? >> wanted to make sure that my favorite item is You said that staff was not going to change the menu. >> Okay. >> And so there was whatever I can't remember what that thing was. >> I mean, if staff wants to have lobster bisque more, I would support that than just Saturday and Sunday. >> All in favor. >> [laughter] >> All in favor, aye. Yeah. Okay, I will make a motion to approve the on-sale intoxicating liquor license including Sunday and patio sales to Create Restaurants Minnesota LLC DBA Hazelwood Food and Drink located at 9240 Hudson Road. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, the roll call, please. >> Council member Morris. >> Aye. >> Council member Santini. >> Aye. >> Council member Wilson. >> Aye. >> Council member Stafford. >> Aye. >> Mayor Burt. >> Aye. >> That passes. Congratulations. >> The meatloaf is was my favorite >> If they change No, no changing the Where's the Don't change Don't change the meat loaf. >> Don't touch the meat loaf. Okay. >> Yeah. And uh >> I will resend my vote. >> And if I remember right, Jeff, the gin and tonic is called just a gin and tonic. Is that what it's called? Just a gin and tonic. >> Thank you for that, Mayor. >> Very clever name. >> [laughter] >> Um okay, well, now we'll move on to just our discussion item. This is the considering approval of the sale of general obligation tax tax bonds. This is very complex. We bring up our CFO here and controller um Jason Schumacher to talk more and I think we've got an expert in the audience as well on this. So, take it away. >> Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. Yes, tonight I'm bringing forward the results of today's bond sale and joining us from our financial advisor Ehlers is Jason Arswold to go over the results of today's sale. >> There he is. Yep. Yep. >> Yeah, always going to get two Jasons for the price of one. >> Yeah, Jason and Jason show. >> Uh good evening, Mayor, members of the council. Yeah, again, Jason Arswold with Ehlers. Uh good to be with you this evening. I have a brief uh slide deck here just reviewing the sale results from today. Just kind of high-level good results, so so all good news there. Uh just as a reminder, the purpose of this bond issue is for the remodeling expansion of the public safety campus. Uh and your authority to to issue these bonds was through uh the legislature by approving a local option sales tax and subsequently by your voters in 2024 who also approved and authorized the sale of bonds and that and that particular tax. So so today the process for the issuance of these bonds, if you recall back in uh April 22nd, 2026, I was here before you all. We did what we call our pre-sale review where we outlined the proposed bond sale, explained what it's all about. Uh from there, we then proceed. We have a a credit rating discussion with Standard & Poor's as has been the custom here. I'm happy to say that they have affirmed the city's triple A rating, which again is the highest rating that they do assign. And you can see in the report there that they they've acknowledged a a of things there. It's the expanding economy, uh high per capita uh earnings, which is a very important factor for them in in the economy, healthy operations of the city itself, high reserves, and then they looked at the detailed financial management policies and practices of the city and noted that those were strong as well. We then worked with your staff to prepare offering documents and circulated those to the entire municipal bond marketplace. This was a competitive bidding process, so we once those documents were circulated, we then took bids this morning at 10:00 a.m. in our office. And then the purpose of tonight is to present those bids to you for formal award and consideration of the bonds. So just very briefly here, there were five bids received. They're all listed here on this slide. The lowest was Baird at 3.1728. There and the highest bid there FHN Financial Capital Markets at 3.23 with a spread of 0.0596%. So the tighter that is, we feel like we get a really good representation where the market's at. I think we definitely did that today. Just kind of stopping for a moment. We had a pre-sale. We were about half a percent higher than that is kind of what we were came to sort of did a little better than what we were projecting there. So the final results when we look at that, what's in front of you this evening, the principal amount has remained unchanged. That was 41,295,000. But there was a premium, which is common in almost every single issue that we do and work on across the board. And because it's such a sizeable issue here, that premium amounts to 4,126,000. And so we had a lot of discussion in advance of this anticipating that this was going to be the case working with your staff, working with legal counsel. What do we do with those dollars cuz we're probably going to get them and decided that those it's best to retain those because you can use those to pay for project costs instead of some of the other existing fund balances that were going to be pulled to pay for the cost of this facility. So Uh, it's a good it's a good thing to save then those existing funds and then because the sales tax revenue is coming in so strong, you know, the debt service is a little higher than projected because of this, but it's still well within uh, you know, what the sales tax will provide on an annual basis. So, allows you to maximize use of that sales tax, maximize the revenue from that, and then minimize what you need to use from other funds. So, felt that was a a good strategy in this case. You want next slide, Jason? So, just kind of just lastly, there are some minor adjustments that are made after the bid is is uh, run there to uh, make sure that you have level debt service. And so, those minor adjustments change that true interest cost 3.1825. I I had mentioned we were at 3.68 at the time of pre-sale. So, uh, did a little better there. Uh, kind of the average annual debt service when it's, you know, fully uh, in place is about 4.98 million, uh, which is a big number, obviously, but your annual sales tax collections were estimated about 8.64 million. So, uh, they are well in excess of what we are expected for debt service. And then, uh, maybe in anticipation of a question, we do have this is a callable bond issue, uh, meaning that after year seven, we can look to see if there's enough revenue to actually call it and actually retire the bonds, which may be the case. >> 498 is just for this issuance. That's not our total debt debt service. That's just for this debt. >> Just this bond. That's right. Yep. And the only one supported by that sales tax. >> Right. >> Correct. >> Uh, so, tonight you got a revised resolution uh, from Kennedy or I'm sorry, Kutak Rock. Uh, it's uh, 26-75, I believe, is the number after looking at the agenda. It came without a number on it. Uh, and so, what the action for tonight would be would be to uh, adopt that resolution awarding the sale of the GO sales tax revenue bonds uh, as noted there. And then, uh, that bond resolution schedules the closing and receipt of funds for July 16th of 2026. So, you'll have uh, funds in hand to start uh, using those for project costs at that time. >> [clears throat] >> Bless you. >> So, with that, I'll stop and if there are any questions I'm certainly happy to go into more detail or answer those. >> Any questions? >> I do. >> Okay. >> I do. It's debt issue. Of course I do. >> [laughter] >> Um I had thought there was discussion. So, I'm looking at both sides of the DAS here. So, I thought there was discussion because uh sales tax revenues were were coming in faster than than predicted, we were going to stagger our issuance in of of this debt or we're we're doing this in whole? >> We're doing this in whole. >> Okay. And so, they >> The staggered debt was related to the water treatment plant that we're going to be staggering. This one is we're issuing in the whole. >> Okay. Which >> Because the project's only a 2-year window. So, there's not a lot to stagger. >> There's not a lot of time to stagger. >> Okay. >> But, we can call it after seven if cuz we're going to the the current projections on sales tax are going to far blow out the 20 years. We'll we'll be far ahead of that that we get at that point use when we've collected all that we could after year seven, we can just call it. >> Estimates at this point is we would have enough revenue in house to actually call it at year six, but we put in seven just to be conservative. >> Thank you to the community and everybody that keeps buying. Yeah. >> And that's a significant because our our our debt service to that would be significantly reduced over the term of what we had projected this project to be if we're in year seven and we're we're calling on a 20-year loan, you know, 13 years about my bad math, 13 years of of debt service is a significant number to be. So, >> [snorts] >> gosh, love it. I have no problems. >> Okay. >> No, this is it's all good news. Any other questions? >> I'll move to adopt resolution 26-75, a resolution awarding the sale of general obligation sales tax revenue bond series 2026A in the aggregate principal amount of 41,295,000, fixing their form and specifications, directing their execution and delivery, and providing for their payment. >> Are we doing this in two parts? >> Yes, two parts. >> Second. >> Motion is second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor, please. >> I. >> I. I'm sorry. I meant to I meant to Sorry, I did that so fast. >> But look at how we respond. >> [laughter] >> I meant to say roll call, please. >> Following instruction well. >> Yes. Councilmember Santini. >> Councilmember Wilson. >> I. >> Councilmember Stafford. >> I. >> Councilmember Morris. >> Still I. >> Mayor Berktold. >> I. I did that so fast cuz I was thinking the next one just requires a voice vote, but um >> Yeah, yeah. >> Well, um I'll move to authorize the CFO controller to enter into an agreement with Ehlers for arbitrage calculations and the continuing disclosure of requirements of the bonds. >> Second. >> Motion is second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> No. >> Okay, that passes, too. Great. >> Yes. >> And then, Council, we'll come back with just an update of how the latest with that premium, how the funding >> Looks. >> Perfect. >> Hold on. Thank you. >> Fantastic. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Um our next topic under discussion is to consider considering the approval of the Bailey West Master Plan. So, um Eric Searles is here and Janelle Schmits to talk with us more about all of that from Community Development. We as Council though have been involved in this discussion and the planning we've had several meetings about it, so this is not a lot new, but you're going to give us a highlight and an overview at this point in time. And I do have uh three green sheets on this, so we'll be allowing a comment by those who provided these. I'll call you up when the time is right. >> Thank you, Mayor members of Council. As the Mayor alluded to, this is the continued dialogue on the Bailey West Master Plan. The Bailey family holds about 185 acres in Woodbury. Overall, the Bailey family has about 300 acres contiguous in Woodbury, Maplewood, and uh and um Newport. Those also are in Washington County and Ramsey County. So, this is a challenging process to coordinate all of these different activities, and that's one of the reasons why a master plan is important. The master plans are also required as part of a council policy that was adopted in late 2024. In this case, this is a common ownership that exceeds 100 acres in size. So, the directive is for the city to conduct a master plan in advance of development reviews. Master plans have served the community very well. We have done a number of master plans going all the way back to 1982 in the area that we're in right now, which is the city center area. Moving forward, we conducted one for the Urban Village. For those in the audience, Urban Village is the area Bailey and Radio Drive on the west side Radio Drive where Jerry's and a number of the multi-family St. Therese is located. In 2021, the South of Dale residential area was approved through a master plan. There's been a number of residential projects that have moved forward under that plan. In advance of the opening of the Gold Line, the city conducted a master plan for the station area along Bielenberg Drive, as well as some portions of Hudson Road and Geider Drive. That has also guided development patterns within the area. And most recently, the council reviewed and approved a master plan for our next development area, which is the Dale Road and Cottage Grove Drive. And again, the goal of that was to review these master plans in in advance of development approvals. As it relates to the Bailey master plan, there's a number of core areas that I'll quickly walk through that are also highlighted within the Planning Commission staff report and the council letter. The areas include stormwater management, some greenways and pedestrian planning, architectural scheming, modifications to the 2040 comprehensive plan, as well as preparing for our 2050 comprehensive plan. Starting with the stormwater management, the graphic on the screen identifies how the master plan guides for regional ponding development. And this is an important item as the master plan guides one major regional basin for the what we call phase one development area. So, that's the area kind of south of this medium-density residential and south all the way to Bailey Road. All of that development area will go to this regional basin. The alternative to that is a number of smaller ponds, and that is less efficient, it takes more land, and is frankly more costly to maintain over time. So, this is a very efficient way to conduct stormwater management, but also gives an opportunity for a larger basin, which can then be layered in with pedestrian movements and other placemaking features. Pedestrian and Greenway plans were a major component of this master plan, and as you can see, there's a Greenway corridor and trail system that is identified to enhance the Carver Lake Park area, which is located to the north of this property. Um you'll see also a um a Greenway corridor along along the easterly property line that would move through the um and buffer the future development area with the existing um properties located to the east that have been um developed several decades ago. One thing that's missing from this graphic, or a little hard to see on this graphic, is that there will be pedestrian infrastructures on both sides of the proposed Century Avenue. So, as you look at the connectivity that's occurred, there's also a pretty significant spine within that location. As part of the final creation of the master plan, there will be a modification that will better connect the commercial area to Bailey Road. So, that is a future um modification this plan prior to adoption. Another area of importance is the architectural scheming as shown on the previous graphic. There are a number of different uses, commercial uses, uh light industrial business park uses, high-density residential, medium-density residential. So, providing an architectural theme to tie all of those units together is really important to provide cohesion within this area. We've worked closely with the city of Newport to try to have continuity between those projects as well. While we don't have a regulatory ability, the Newport is and uh has worked really closely with us to uh guide their development in a similar way. Our goal is a shared goal between the two communities, which at the end you won't be able to see the difference between a Woodbury project or a Newport project, and I think that will raise the quality of of all projects. One of the other goals was to support the acquisition of the property by New Life uh Academy. The graphic on the left-hand side shows the adopted 2040 plan, and at that time it was not identified that New Life would [snorts] potentially acquire that. So, you see uh in the green box about 40 acres of mixed-use area. The concept is pretty straightforward. New Life is under contract to acquire about 30 acres of land. The carve-out is carving out public, semi-public from all land use, and then re-layering the mixed use around. So, net-wise, it's the same amount of mixed use as previously identified. And the last recommendation is to re-guide the northern portion of the property to low density. It's currently identified as places to work on the land use plan. As we looked at the marketability of that property, very far off of Bailey Road, um as well as the ability to leverage uh the um adjacent Carver Lake Park was important to the recommendation to move this to a low-density residential. It's important to note the timing of that is recommended to be post the adoption of the 2050 comprehensive plan. So, in front of you in the near future would not be a comprehensive plan amendment for this. That would be memorialized as part of the overall 2050 plan. And that will allow that plan to look at a number of things. It'll allow the comprehensive plan to look at the timing. So, when this is an appropriate time for development. Generally speaking, what staff will be bringing forward is it's a best practice to have the more intense development occur in advance of moving forward on the low-density. So, that will be one thing that will be discussed with the comprehensive plan task force and ultimately the city council as part of the 2050 plan. Another area that will be looked at and further reviewed is the connection of Century Avenue. Um and that is shown to connect to the existing Century Avenue. Our current 2040 comprehensive plan does identify the connection and extension of Century Avenue, but that will be looked at through that transportation uh section of the 2050 plan and will also be reviewed when the adjacent residential project occurs. Just for clarity purposes on what is anticipated to be constructed in near term as it relates to Century Avenue. Generally, the first phase plans would build Century to about 3/4 of the distance and that would serve the first phase of development activity. The Planning Commission did review this at their June 15th meeting and uh Commissioner Shay Seabrooks is here with the liaison report. >> Good evening. Thank you, Mayor Berg. >> [laughter] >> Uh members of Council, Shay Seabrooks. I'm here on behalf of the Planning Commission. As Eric just mentioned, we met on June 15th and unanimously recommended approval of the Bailey West master plan. Um there were two individuals um from nearby communities that did speak uh prior to our discussion. Um in summary, both discussed um some ongoing safety concerns um of Century Avenue South. Um I'm sure you've all been to Carver Lake Park and Century Avenue South tends to turn. There's a lot of blind spots and fast-moving vehicles. And so they expressed some concerns about the optic and traffic and safety to anybody walking to the park. There um Eric uh did respond with some context um and some timelines as far as when the details of that expansion would be discussed. Um the commission also uh asked a series of different questions and expressed some concerns and put as well on this plan. They included the parking areas around the commercial area and the architectural design of the plan in general. Um ensuring that the design of the plan is walkable, um particularly including sidewalks if possible in the residential areas to make sure it's safe for pedestrians and those who live there. Um there were questions about the parking situation in New Life Academy's expansion around the sports fields to make sure that there's easy access um to those facilities. There were also several questions about landscaping, trees, and making sure that we're including evergreens. Um and there was also ample discussion about the controlled intersection of Bailey Road um and Century Avenue South when that eventually is brought up and the uptick in traffic in Bailey Road. Um so we talked about the controlled intersection. There was also discussion about uh New Life Academy's expansion and the current intersection between Bailey Road and Lydia Lane and how busy and unsafe that can be for vehicles during high traffic times. And then finally, there was also some discussion about Bailey Road in the commercial area that butts right up against Bailey Road in this plan and making sure that there's enough screening that's considered to block headlights for to prevent any accidents and such vehicles going on Bailey Road. In conclusion, the commission did move for approval of the master plan with all the comments discussed during that meeting. >> Great. Thank you for your summary. It's always good to see and hear of a robust discussion around all kinds of things. This is why the council really appreciates the commission and the work you all do because you think through many of those things and question and vet them out. So, thank you. Thank you for your work on that. I have green sheets now. I don't We don't have any formal rules around this, but I'll just say this. I'll invite you up. Please come to the microphone that way you can be heard by everyone in the audience and the mic for the cable can pick you up. This is not like a deliberation back and forth. We'll just have a respectful discussion. I have you one at a time, but if you have something follow up after you've spoken, you're allowed to come back up to the mic for clarification or what have you. So, I'll start with Johnny Demay. I have that right? And if you could just state your your name and address for the record. >> All right. Mayor and council, appreciate the opportunity to chat with you. Sorry. My name is Johnny Demay and I live at 1211 Century Avenue South in Maplewood. So, my family, we actually are excited about New Life Academy's ability to expand. We're part of that community, so that's really awesome to see that. And on top of that, we love the idea of additional trails in the area. That's awesome. Um but what I'm here to mention is our opposition to um pushing Century Avenue South through into Bailey Road. So, Century Avenue South uh it actually goes through our property as we have land on both sides of the street. Uh we live in between Carver Lake Park and Fish Creek uh Ramsey County's park. And what we found in living in here is that we've never felt so far away from a park. And the reason why we say that is we don't have a safe way as a pedestrian to access them. Um so, what we end up doing along with a lot of our neighbors is we end up driving to get to the park which is across the street. Or taking boat if you're fortunate enough. And um Century Avenue South uh we find it dangerous as it is obviously. Uh we get too much traffic already and we feel like we can't handle more. Uh certainly not trucks from the businesses here. Um we as residents don't need any more access. Uh we feel like what we have is sufficient. Uh as it is um you know, I think about in the future we don't really feel like there is space for wider roads or even paths. I mean, it's always great to have paths, but it is a really tight area if you've driven through. Um We have wildlife crossing between the two parks. You know, we got the power lines nearby, uh countless blind driveways, uh varying speed limits. Uh few examples I've had personally uh last winter I've actually watched the county plow truck slide backwards down the hill because it couldn't plow the hill. It slid backwards down the the It's a 800-ft hill, so a good portion of the hill along the guardrail. And there's, you know, the guardrail's still messed up if you want to go check it out. Um you know, we have vehicles every year abandoned due to icy roads. Uh one neighbor got hit and nearly killed while getting his mail. Uh I personally was walking my daughter uh in a stroller with my wife and two cars came racing through the street in both lanes. And we had to jump into the ditch. Uh last week, uh as mentioned by um one of our neighbors at uh at the planning commission meeting, um our neighbor who's a lifelong resident in Woodbury property tax payer, uh she told the story about three young teenage boys who were biking uh to fishing holes on Carver Lake and they got ran off the road by speeding truck. This is the kind of stuff that we see far too often, and we know that it's Ramsey County and Maplewood, but we have concern if this road is pushed through that it it'll just be significantly worse. So in closing, I'm here to ask you to please remove the extension of our street from the master plan. In any consolation, we ask that you work closer with Ramsey County and Maplewood in every detail. Uh we'd like them to publicly come up with plans based on our residential input uh before making any connection to Bailey Road reality. Um again, I want to thank you for the opportunity to voice this. Uh you guys do have amazing city. You get awards all the time. Myself and neighbors, even as residents of Maplewood, it's as easiest to tell people that we live in Woodbury. So thank you for the opportunity >> We call it >> Wasn't it West Woodbury? >> So thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> [applause] >> Um I'll just take all the green sheets and then some Or do you want to have something specific right now? Yeah. >> Thank you for that. You go ahead. >> Um let me just bring up everybody and then we'll open up to some more discussions. Is this Roger? Art Uh Roger, are you here? >> I think it's Anderson. >> Okay, yeah. That's what I I guess that's what it looks like. >> [laughter] >> It's right Are you Are you Roger? >> Yep. >> Well, would you like to come up and speak? >> Sure. >> It kind of looks like ragout. I'm just going to say. That's why I was struggling with it a little bit. >> [snorts] >> Hello, City Council. Roger Anderson, 2730 Carver Avenue, right on the corner of Century and Carver. So, my property is alongside Bailey property where the easement is. Uh connecting this road in to onto Century, you're involving four houses in Woodbury. After that, it's all on Ramsey County and Maplewood residents. Once you hit the park, that's Woodbury Park. There's no residents. Once you go across the lake, the houses that are on the lake side, that's still Maplewood residents. So, this is all on Ramsey County and then Maplewood residents. There's 25 blind driveways going through there. In the wintertime, there's cars going up that hill. There are cars on that guardrail all the time, and you're going to run semi traffic down that hill and up that hill. It's not going to happen. It's going to right now what if this doesn't happen this year, go drive it one night one day when it's snowing out and you try to go up that hill with a car. If you don't have four-wheel drive, you're not going up the hill if it's not plowed. And it's county property. So the county is plowing that. It's not Maplewood and it's not Woodbury. That's county. So the county's in is in uh Shoreview. So where do you think the last place that gets plowed? Carver Avenue, McKnight, back up to Century. So it is it's just crazy that you want to try and run a road through there. It's a very It's It was made for the residents that live on that road and a few people that'll use it for a shortcut if there's construction or something. It's the same as Sterling, same thing. It's all blind driveways and it's very dangerous. And they have the They have the perfect option. They got Bailey Road Court there or Carver Lake Court that's by the park. Comes right out to Lake Road. There's a little road comes in and there's a park trail that goes right into the park. You can follow the high-tension lines. Run your four-lane road through there. Take out all the trees. Woodbury's great at removing trees from everywhere. Yes, you are. F- FAA bubble on old on military and radio out there. I hunt out there. They removed a fifth uh 5-8 acre 50-year-old pine tree grove, cut it to the ground, and never left the pine tree except around that radar bubble. It's just Now if I was doing that, they'd be after me to sue me for taking down all the trees. But take out the trees. People think the park's dangerous cuz it's too congested and it's too overgrown. Remove some of the stuff. Run the road through that northeast northeast corner of Bailey property and run a side road out. There's two cul-de-sacs that come in from the people on the Woodbury side on the east side. Hook a couple roads in there and go out that way with a cup for in access in and out. But if you want to run a four-lane road, it'll come right up through the park and right out to Lake Road. They can put a set of lights right there and they can run all the semi traffic they want. But going down Century Avenue, that's crazy. So, drive it this winter when it's snowing. Try to go up that hill or or even down. They'll be trucks in the lake. They'll be people getting hurt. It'll be just crazy. So, thank [snorts] you for your time and I'll be here for the Monday thing. This is just that road extension was never meant to be. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, nice to meet you. Yes, nice to meet you. >> And then Ellen >> Um McPartlin >> McPart with a P. Okay, McPartlin. Yes. >> Okay. Hello. >> Hi. >> Um I'm Ellen. I'm the owner of 1135 Century Avenue South, a two-acre property and home that's on the proposed second phase extension that Roger and Johnny were talking about. They are my neighbors. Um I previously was a Lowertown St. Paul resident and was active in leading their master plan development task force and passing it through the St. Paul City Council. So, I personally know the hurdles that plans like this face. I really do. And um ironic that I'm on in a similar position now. It's a long story, but uh it it all started with something like this. And it's great to have community engagement, so I appreciate you letting us comment. So, I'm asking you to reconsider the Century Avenue extension, pushing through the road as they spoke without additional studies, uh traffic, noise, pollution, runoff. I feel the EAU's study may be insufficient in that considering specifics for this area. Carver Lake is a protected water area under the Minnesota DNR designation and other factors I'll walk through. Admittedly, I am coming into this process a little later than I like, so I may have a few details incorrect. But, I haven't heard enough discussion or planned activities in concrete terms of much potential mitigation for our area. Only details of the Bailey development. Understandably, the plans are phased and and very complex. And this is just one small piece. I am asking this council to more deeply consider these issues and or come to a formal community engagement or formal understandings with the Woodbury and South Maplewood residents in that area. Um, give me one moment. Okay, so first I'll try to be quick. The issue of traffic, noise, and safety. Can we look at accurate traffic projections, what percent increase, cars per day, and their effects on noise levels to our immediate area on and across Carver Lake. This is one of my biggest concerns and game changer for our everyday lives and the areas and park goers and the community. These are residential properties, some very close to the road, windy, hilly as they described. Cars accelerate and go way over the speed limit. Big noise and acceleration and I feel I I feel that's underestimated in this project. Not to mention the road's curvy, hilly, blind spots. Secondly, protecting long-term health of Carver Lake. Pollution, [clears throat] runoff, erosion. Carver Lake is is a designated protected water area under the Minnesota DNR 820166P, I believe. Traffic pollution negatively impacts the lake through atmosphere, storm water runoff, and shoreline disturbance. Our lake is already vulnerable to blue algae and chlorides, and along with noise pollution, the atmosphere of the area, and the health of our lake can drastically change over time. Um So, um in my opinion your building many of the Bailey project improvements in your master plan as good as they may be based on uh with this uh an older plan conclusion. This piece is part of the older plan of the road going through, and could this be reconsidered or reworked. Uh please help address these things soon, hopefully. Um [clears throat] for the good of our project or your project and and our community. Uh Century Avenue land use, and most importantly, Carver Lake. Thank you for your time and consideration. >> Great. Thank you. >> [applause] >> Okay, Eric, can you just fill us in a little bit? Of course, we've known this is a lot of complexity again. Three cities, two counties who owns the road, what you know, it's it's a lot. So speak more. >> Yeah, currently Century Avenue is a jointly owned roadway between Washington County and Ramsey County. It is um Washington County recently studied the extension that's shown on the screen um in advance of that becoming a part of their system. So, that was completed about 2 years ago. Their comprehensive plan, as well as Woodbury's comprehensive plan, identify the extension of that roadway. But, as I stated in the presentation, we know that there is an opportunity within the 2050 plan where Maplewood Woodbury, Ramsey County, and Washington County will all be updating their transportation systems, and will be having dialogue at that time about the the systems and the future improvements that each one is identifying. From staff's opinion, that's a great opportunity to be informed by some of the things further inform some of the concerns that have been raised about limited pedestrian movements, some of the grades within that area. We have conducted a detailed traffic study as part of the EAW process. The vast majority of the trips are not moving in a northbound way. The vast majority of the trips from the commercial and development area go south to Bailey Road. So, while there is an increase, it is certainly not designed or identified to be the the way that the majority, especially any of the commercial traffic. They will be using the Bailey Road corridor, generally speaking. Now, does that mean there won't I'm not here to tell you and I want that on the record that will there be a truck that comes through there? Of course, there will be, but general design aspect is to utilize the Bailey Road corridor and the traffic study shows that. The other aspect that is important is identified within the presentation was the the review of the actual development plan. We don't know the development intensity at this time. That will be reviewed as part of again that 2050 plan of the residential area and at that point we can also look at any mitigation that might be appropriate for Century Avenue. >> Okay, is it um I have something. Do you have something you want to start with? >> this isn't a a big big if, but like so then this road, you know, I mean there needs to be a road going >> We can't see where you're pointing, Jen. >> Well, um I mean, it's just >> Do you want to point at the one that >> Well, no, I mean it's just the road, the Century Road we're talking about. >> Century Road. >> Yeah, Century. >> Um >> Bailey Century Yeah, and so it means so I guess there wouldn't really is there like a thought that a proposal would be that that go there would be some other entrance or is this this road right that you know that is being proposed here is that that would be the entrance to this place anyway and then I guess my question is would then the ownership of that road in that section depend it would depend upon the connectivity I guess or so if it's not connected it's our road if it's connected it would become a county road? >> Yeah, um if it is connected and the design meets county standards it would become a county road. It it could still be connected and not be a county road and could be a city road. That is also a possibility. So it's not the connection that automatically makes it a county road. It's a connection and they need to the new section needs to meet county standards design standards. >> No, I guess I'm just I I guess it is sort of this complexity about like again this this multi-jurisdictional like this I don't know from that connectivity cuz I guess trying to figure out is in this plan is this the only viable option of entrance to our part you know so that's what I'm trying to figure out I think that's what's hard is okay if we're proposing this as a master plan like we we need to have some entrance and exit to these places. >> Is it why wouldn't why wouldn't why couldn't you use the south side of it on Bailey? As an entrance or exit I'm confused. Why wouldn't >> Well, you still would have you're still entering right off of Bailey anyway. So that's what I'm saying I'm just you know I'm just trying to decide like you know that this this proposed section of century is sort of going in it it's just sort of that connectivity piece and then where it stops essentially is >> Okay. >> So I'm looking at a satellite view of >> Mhm. >> Not on, sorry. Looking at a satellite view of Century Avenue where it does turn and >> [sighs and gasps] >> curve into Sterling. And so can you just explain to me um the housing situation there and what happens to those houses or are we threading the needle? >> Oh, that's the way over >> [snorts] >> Let me use the other side of Maplewood. >> shows >> No, isn't it Sterling that's one that goes out? >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's that's actually >> I guess it could turn I said Sterling, didn't I? It's Carver. My bad, everybody. >> Yeah, the the intent is there may be some property acquisition as part of that extension. There is some easement that exists that historic easement that runs north south within this area, but we have not studied the property impacts at that point. That's certainly a future piece of information as more information is known on the design aspect. That's from a from a process standpoint can be looked at as part of and I'm going to go back to the plan, the development of the northern piece which is not anticipated for several years. >> So is there do we have to expand Century? >> There is not an obligation to connect or expand Century Avenue. It is a best practice to connect roadways throughout the community from a transportation standpoint. Having movements be bifurcated by areas and I again go back to the plan. We already have limitations from a northerly standpoint because of Carver Lake Park. We're limiting access to the east because of some of the existing development patterns as well. There is some connectivity that's identified that will be very much neighborhood connectivity and that's something that could be explored within this and I would anticipate that to be explored within this area as well, but it completely eliminating that connectivity would not be a best practice. But this is one of the things that will be looked at as part of the 2050 transportation chapter is what are the regional needs from a transportation network standpoint and that activity is going to be done not only by Woodbury, but it will also be done by the other entities at the same time. That's one of the beautiful opportunities that we have from a timing standpoint. We're all working on the same analytic exercise. Um and we're required to do so. So we anticipate having continued dialogue with Ramsey County, Washington County, City of Maplewood as part of that process. >> So um I mean I'm trying to think of examples. For years, you know, there have been one way in and out of many neighborhoods. Um Um and so Chamberlain, I think is that whole neighborhood there used to be closed off. [clears throat and laughter] Um but Chamberlain is a future road extension into that. So that would be that's where you're saying a possible future road extension and I guess I'm looking at those properties on Century and I'm trying to figure out how do you take properties that are on I've I've been on Century and I also have seen pedestrians on Century. It's not a good combination. Um how do you justify connecting Century up um and not using the Chamberlain and the Bailey? And and using those as one way, you know, ins and outs through that neighborhood. >> Yeah, so the design this is the Chamberlain access. >> Yeah. >> The I anticipate there would be full two-way connection in this location, but because it is anticipated to enter into the residential area, it would not be kind of a through what we've communicated to the neighborhood. We wouldn't be making a through movement, it would just be connectivity. It as we look at the traffic patterns that we anticipate, we would believe that the vast majority of trips that would be seen by that connection are the existing residents moving back toward Century and heading south versus an alternative. But it is important as well as a lens of an efficiency from a plowing standpoint that will allow for higher level of efficiency as we do our plowing services because right now it's a long dead end for them. >> Correct. So, um yeah, go ahead. >> Um just uh for council visibility, that was an item that we received a number of questions about at the neighborhood meetings that we have held and the neighborhood is is certainly going to be um paying attention to how that connection is made, but as long as at least the feedback that I received at the neighborhood meeting is if it's a a connection that does that is designed appropriately, there was not significant concern. >> about the homeowners on the east side of this of the >> That's correct. >> On the east side. >> North of North of New Life. >> Probably like right here. >> Yeah. >> They Yeah. >> Where these Yeah, these cul-de-sacs dead end over there. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so this is um currently zoned as places to work, correct? >> That is correct. >> I have a question there. >> Go ahead. >> So, in in the case where this is the master plan is being adopted When you get closer to the microphone is the master plan is being adopted in in in conflict with the existing and approved uh comp plan with an expectation. If the comp plan task force and all through that decides not to change, who wins in the conversation, the master plan or the comp plan? And then what happens to this master plan? If the master plan comes back in the task force says, "No, we like the way it's existing. You It's currently used." >> We would have amend the master plan. >> [clears throat] >> The 2040. >> The This master plan would be amended if the 2050 plan does not concur. We would amend this plan in conjunction the same time as the adoption of the 2050 plan. >> I I just get concerned about the tail wagging the dog a little bit. >> just trying to figure out why we would I mean I So now I feel like that's not even a valid hypothetical. I'm just all through the last my last 6 years on council uh we have changed that comprehensive plan to suit whatever development we want. Um so although it's a it's a plan, it hasn't been a concrete although I was first told it was concrete when I first started, but regardless, um so so [snorts] you're saying that if the task force comes back and says we want this to be places to work, we would now adopt what the task the comprehensive plan says and you wouldn't go ahead and change it? >> The The council would have to adopt. So the task force is a recommending body. So the task force would recommend to the council. Council would have to concur with those findings from the task force that that should remain places to work. At that point then we would immediately amend it. I think that is an unlikely scenario, but that would be how sequentially that would process. It's very similar to what we've done in the Gold Line where there are a number within the master plans where the Gold Line project the comp plan has not been updated yet. Um sometimes that's done done with a project. We anticipate as part of the 2050 plan there will be amendments that reflect the the Gold Line master plan as part of the adoption of the 2050 plan. The reason that it's important in staff's opinion to identify this now is there will be individuals making decisions about you know where they live, maybe where the businesses and if the indication is is that the future that this becomes low density versus places to work. The the the transparent thing to do is to identify that as early as possible. >> So I I guess in the in the comp plan, which has been adopted in in a for a long time. Thank you. 10 years. It was identified as places to work. I guess if that was the identification, there would still have been connectivity planned through regardless of what if it's commercial or residential, there still would have been connected connectivity at some point assumed as part of that development. It would not have been a singular connection. As I'm asking a question. >> That that is 100% correct. I I would say it's also dependent upon the places to work use. There could be more traffic that's generated than a low density. >> So, that is then where I'm getting is is that Okay, so now if we take into context what the comp plan, which has been in in adopted in in place for many many many years is that is this a better potential plan on on on impacts to adjacent properties and local properties versus what our old plan was? And and so there's a there's a little give and take there, do you mind understanding? I'm certainly I I I I'm not discounting any of the the folks that have have spoke or or any of the concerns about that cuz they're absolutely legitimate concerns, but at some point it's going to develop. What that develops as is is part of what this conversation is. It sometimes it's a little bit of the the best worst option. I still want to see explore other options. I'm just I'm just trying to make the point of this is better than what the old plan is. >> Just just to be clear, I don't think any resident is concerned about necessarily what's going in there, whether it's low density or high density. Their concern is Century Road connection and that's and that's all their concern is. And so >> There would have been connection anyway regardless is what is what we're talking about. >> saying does it need to happen? Can they just use Bailey and Chamberlain as their connection? That's all they're that's all they're asking. Um and so um I've expressed my concerns about this parcel of property. I understand we have a number of cities um adjacent, you know, all connected here. Um we have places What was it? The industrial thing you took it off the map, but um >> Where is Juniper Lane? >> or Is that what it's called? The business park that would be semi's. Um my concern has been there that they're going to come in off of Bailey next to the high-density housing and what now we have semi's running next to high-density housing, commercial, you know, sports field. Um that that's been a concern of mine. Um but I'm not sure. Um >> That's a wind farm. >> sure if this Century Avenue connection I I understand exactly what you're saying and now we're going to thread the needle and try to connect up and I don't know why when we have two other access points, actually three, if we were to take into consideration the Newport side of that, which will also be a connection point off of Bailey Road, correct? So we'll have the Newport connection, then we'll have the Century Avenue connection off of Bailey, then we have the Lydia Lane off of Bailey that turns into Chamberlain that connects us in the neighborhood. Yeah. >> So Lydia is through the New Life Campus, but that does link back to Lydia through the private road network. >> Oh, I guess I meant like up through Well, um it doesn't go through New Life Campus. It goes right next to it. What's adjacent to it right off of Bailey? >> The >> Lydia >> go through It doesn't go through their campus, I don't think. >> Well, no, it it's a parking It's not a roadway, but their their parking area connects. >> Yeah, no, it's Lydia Lane is a street with houses and townhomes on it. So Lydia Lane goes up to um Chamberlain. >> Lydia's right here. >> Yeah. >> Correct. Yeah. >> So we have Lydia, then we have the Century Avenue, the new proposed Century Avenue, And then we have the new proposed Newport side of the business park. Which so that's three roadway connections into that neighborhood. >> So for sequencing purposes, if I may, the the graphic this graphic is from the adopted 2040 plan. This is the connection that's identified the planned facility for Century Avenue that's within our adopted plan. For us to move away from that plan, we would need to amend our 2040 plan. >> Well, not really. We would just have to wait for the 2050 plan, wouldn't we? >> That's exactly what staff's recommendation is is to utilize the 2050 comprehensive plan to review this connection under the transportation plan as part of the 2050 plan. >> for the record, we have had a bridge going across 94 in a different spot for 20 plus years. And we've not done anything with it and instead moved the bridge. >> But if we're if if So one of the reasons why the master plan continues to show it rather than preclude it is because we have the 2040 plan that shows it. We're trying to using your thread the needle we're trying to thread the needle of if there's going to be further study, that study should occur in the 2050 plan, amend the 2050 transportation plan. The development's not going to occur prior to the adoption of the 2050 plan of the residential. >> So is there a way to adopt the majority of this plan and leave that section of Century up for discussion at the 2050? >> ago. >> Yes. >> Yeah, we >> How do we do that? >> We could put a we could put much like this, low density residential adoption. We could put a dash line to say to be reviewed as part of 2050 within the master plan. >> That's what I would recommend. I mean, I think there's so much more information to learn and to like lock this into stone at this point doesn't make sense, but I think if you could just say further review in the future as you develop 2050 and look at Chamberlain and all your other options, that's when you do it. That's what I would recommend. >> I'm 100% for that because I all the concerns on that road are 100% spot on and I just wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to automatically connect this thing without the 15 different agencies that we're going to have to work with in order to have that conversation. >> Yeah. Yes? No? Okay. Does somebody want to make that >> It's on the motion for discussion. >> Oh, no, here's the resolution. Do you have a way to word that, Eric? And does if anyone else has >> I'll do my best, Eric Searles. >> All right. >> Watch this. I got to get to the right spot. >> Adopt resolution. >> [laughter] >> I move to adopt plan >> resolution >> Thank you. There it is. I was confused cuz the planning commission thing is on here. I move to adopt resolution 20 26-76, a resolution adopting the Bailey West Master Plan as a with the amendment of the Century Avenue connection as discussed. >> Second. >> Thank you. >> Motion second, any further discussion? >> Searles, point of order. >> Harry, now the roll call, please. >> Councilor Wilson? >> Aye. >> Councilor Stafford? >> Aye. >> Councilor Morris? >> Aye. >> Councilor Santelli? >> Aye. >> Mayor Berchtold? >> Aye. >> There, that passes and more to study. So >> This Monday, 29th meeting you guys are having for Bailey for this master plan, it's in Maplewood. Ramsey County getting a deal at this meeting and being involved with this seeing as you're part of it. >> Eric, yeah, I don't >> Can you repeat the question, too, so the camera microphone picks it up? >> I don't know. >> Yeah, the the question from was we have a a future planning commission meeting for the actual development activity on the Bailey property. The question from the audience was whether Ramsey County and Maplewood is are would be present at that meeting. I do not believe they would be in in attendance at the planning commission meeting. But, I'm happy to um have further conversations with you on process and what to expect. Um and I'll be happy to do that out in the hall or at a a future time, whichever is more convenient for you. >> I'm I'm Can you just clarify what what meeting is this? I must have missed it. >> So, the the development applications are following fairly close to the map master plan. So, the grading and utility work for the the actual development are are proceeding as well. >> I see. So, so this is one of those things where we're adopting a plan and the developer has had input in on it. Am I right? >> Yeah. >> This isn't a future thing. This is So, what Can you just I just want to re- recall my vote for a minute here. >> Well, that I would just say that occurs a lot. I mean, there's discussions all over. Talk to any farmer that might be considering and he's had he she whoever's had discussions with people interested in his land and what it might look like. So, that is just kind of the part of the natural process that occurs when somebody is looking at selling land. >> Thank you, Mayor Erbert. I I have an understanding of that. My concern is this. We have now just said that we were going to um wait for the 2050 comprehensive plan. Maybe this developer is thinking that Century Avenue is a connection that he wants. >> No, cuz we've just taken it out of we just took it out of the plan. We just took it out of the master plan. >> Correct. >> Yeah, the application that will be moving forward to planning commission council does not include this connection um to Century. It's not a part of the application that would be in front of Planning Commission and Council. >> And part of what we just passed had the had that amendment in there. >> Yeah. >> So >> No, I understand that, but that amendment was just for future to look at it in the future. It didn't remove it. >> Well, but if that future comes in front of us to develop, we've already put on the record that we're going to review that connection. >> Okay. I think we've got two different things going on here. Number one, we just looked at this plan and I think in one of the slides it said it was for future development. That was just the single that single family portion of it, correct? Okay. Um so, we said yes to this plan. But this is one one property owner that owns all this property? >> That is correct. >> Is one developer coming in and developing the whole property? >> No. >> Okay. >> No, there are a number the applications that will be reviewed by Planning Commission and ultimately in front of Council will be for the infrastructure. So, really building out this the initial phase of the street network, the storm water management, and the utilities. Subsequent meetings in the future, we do not have any current development applications on the finished product. So, we don't have development applications for the retail at this point. We don't have an application for the multi-family at this point. But the way that the developments of this scale need to occur is you need to get the infrastructure moved forward so that the conversations can occur with the end users. >> Correct. So, we have to have streets. >> Yeah. >> We have to know what the layout is. Is that going to be happening in the single family area? >> Not at this time. >> But it's not going to be happening in the high density area or the medium density area, either? >> Really just Century Avenue and the east-west connection. Chris, if you can Which one is it again? It's >> Here we go. There you go. The E if this one if you can just highlight the East-West connection roadway between New Life. And that will that's important connection because that allows for New Life to have access to their existing campus. >> Okay. So, you're saying just the south part of this the commercial area is all that's going to be before the planning commission on Monday. >> It and the infrastructure improvements from Century Avenue's standpoint ends right here. So, this portion of the road is not a part. >> [snorts] >> And that's because this part of the road is really informed by some of the decisions of the adjacent. >> We'd have to stub at some point. >> Oh, I understand stubbing. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, I'm moving on to staff reports. Chris, this is your time to shine and tell us all the great things happening with transportation. >> It was the only reason I was here tonight. >> [laughter] >> But it looks like I jumped into my presentation a little early. So, um Uh good evening, Mayor and members of the councils. Um as you mentioned, uh we're doing the transportation report. Uh the current active construction projects include the water treatment pipeline project, uh the Valley Creek Road Trail project, Bailey Road, Fairway Drive traffic signal, 2026 road rehab, Woodlane Drive, Bailey and Settlers Ridge Parkway, Bailey and Manning, Intrepid and 2026 Rejuvenator project. So, quite a bit going on in the city. And if you're traveling east-west, you probably noticed it this summer. Um for the water treatment plant pipeline projects, uh westbound Valley Creek Road east of Woodbury Drive remains reduced to one lane, and that's going to be through September. Um Colby Lake Drive is closed north of Valley Creek Road to Courtland Road through mid-July. Eastbound, and this is important, Valley Creek Road is scheduled to close following the 4th of July holiday weekend from Donagal Drive to Colby Lake Drive for approximately 3 weeks to make a connection to the city well. So, it's going to be completely closed as it's connecting. >> Say that again, please. Which one was that? Can you repeat? >> Eastbound, so just the eastbound movement of Valley Creek Road >> Yeah. >> from Donagal Drive to Colby Lake Drive. >> To make a what connection? >> To make a connection to the well that's over there. >> A- And the westbound is closed, too? >> The westbound is closed to the east of that segment from um, Woodbury Drive. Let's see. Da- da- da- >> Interlocking. >> So, you could take Interlocking and >> Interlocking. >> turn west >> Correct. >> Creek towards Radio. >> Correct, I think. Let me think about that. >> You said Donagal to what? >> It'd be from Donagal Drive to Colby Lake Drive. >> So, we can't take Interlocking and You can't take Interlocking west, then. >> I'll look at the detour map. >> What? >> [laughter] >> You can't >> I'm trying to think. I Yeah, with Donagal, right? It's on >> Inter- Interlocking Interlocking is open, uh, and you could go uh, west on Interlocking on Valley Creek. >> That's what I'm curious about. >> Yes, you should be able to because it's from east of that segment that is closed westbound. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah, not eastbound. Westbound movement on east of east of Colby Lake Drive. >> Westbound east of Colby Lake. >> Oh, there's so many different connections and phases right >> You should have highlighted it. >> Yeah, I know. Um, and just an update just in general on the pipeline construction. I think you've maybe noticed in the InTouch updates, but if it seems like, um, we have been digging up water main multiple times, that is in fact true. Uh, there are some segments that have not passed the pressure test, and that's atypical, but not unheard of and we're working through that with our contractor. Um so it means that some of those that westbound segment in particular um between uh Dancing Waters Parkway and Woodbury Drive is having to be um ripped out, removed, replaced, and checked out with the gaskets. And so we don't think that's going to impact the overall timeline of the water treatment plant pipe pipeline projects, but what it means for the residents and the city council is that there's going to be longer roadway impacts along Valley Creek Road on that westbound movement. >> Unfortunately. >> it is still open, it's just one lane. >> Well, there's a segment that's closed. Yeah. Um but the the east but you're right, there's only one lane closed westbound uh east of Woodbury Drive. >> Yeah. >> So so that's but you know, by now we were hoping that some of those segments would have started to open up. Um but we haven't been able to get that pressure tested and passed. So they're likely going to be working on that and we don't know 100% yet cuz they're just starting to do that work probably through September. Um but hopefully that goes quicker than than not. So. >> Is that Didn't we have some of that issue at Interlachen and Valley Creek last year >> Uh we did. We had some we had some leaking and that was related to some pressure valving that, you know, relief valving that goes between valves and that was a a small segment. We actually had those issues on Bailey Road as well. And we don't at this point think it's a construction issue. There's some other things going on. We're still investigating, but I don't really want to uh air publicly till we know more. Um but we did finally get all of the the Bailey Road water main to pass and it's coming later in this segment, but uh they just have the trail connection that'll be done before the 4th of July. Um Oh, that was the next segment. So uh Valley Creek Road trail project, as I mentioned, that's being constructed on the north side of Valley Creek Road. All of that's being delayed obviously until we get our pipeline figured out. But again, that work was scheduled to be following right after the pipeline construction. The Bailey Road and Fairway Drive traffic signal, that utility work and lane modifications are complete. Signal mast arms and other things are being constructed, and we're hoping [snorts] to have that signal fully operational by mid-July. The 2026 road rehab, eastbound traffic along Afton Road from Tower to Drive to Radio Drive will be closed starting June 29th through mid-August. Trail construction on the north side of Afton Road between Timberlane Drive and Radio Drive will be completed during this phase. In early July, phase two is anticipated to be completed, and phase three in pink is scheduled to begin. These are some pictures out of the phase one of 2026 road rehab. The image on the left-hand side is showing trench excavation to install sanitary sewer along Dunmore Road. And the middle is the curb installation over on Wimbly Road, and if you've never seen it, that's a curb machine with the the string line guiding where the where the actual curb machine places the curb. And then the image on your right is asphalt paving along Wimbly Road, and so it goes from a big mess on the left all the way to a completed project that looks pretty nice. Woodland Drive pavement rehab, um Woodland Drive from Wooddale Drive to Newbury Road is under construction and open to one-way traffic. A detour route is established in coordination with each phase. Wooddale Drive west of Woodland and Wooddale Drive intersection will close starting June 29th, and will be closed for 2 weeks to construct water main in the intersection. So, when they're working on all that in there, it's it's not enough room, so it's going to be completely closed. Traffic will be able to go southbound on Woodland Drive while that work's happening. And all of that project phasing, again, is being coordinated with the water treatment plant pipeline projects. As we discussed previously, Radio Drive was open before we started closing Woodlane Drive. Um, if it if it wasn't a good going worse, uh, I just heard this today that, uh, late in the afternoon along Woodlane Drive, uh, a water main was hit. Uh, there was a 6-in service that was not going to any properties but was certainly live. Contractor hit it, uh, blew up and there's at least two commercial businesses that are out of water, the Woodbury, uh, Animal Hospital and the the commercial business to the south. Um, staff has been working really closely to get that up and online. It has to go through bacteria testing, so contractor has brought out some, uh, portable toilets and and servicing water to those those businesses. So far they don't seem too upset. We'll hope they maintain that good attitude for the next couple days as we get that back together. >> I was just there on Monday all day and >> With your >> Yeah. >> Yeah, if you were thirsty you would've been in trouble. >> And the dog. >> Um, Bailey Road, Settlers Ridge, Parkway intersection improvements. Yeah. A new roundabout's under construction, Bailey Road, Settlers Ridge. Really goes a lot faster when you can completely close down the intersection. Uh, utility work and concrete curbing are complete. Concrete paving's underway. As, uh, as you can see, residents can sign up to receive projects. This isn't our project, it's Washington County. Uh, so if you go to Washington County mn.gov/countyroad18 and click on notify me, it'll give you all the updates you might want. >> Is that Sorry, go back to that. Is there a ref Is there Is that a pedestrian refuge there on the right and left to cross? >> It's hard to tell from this drawing but there certainly would be. >> Okay. >> And what is the Do you know the date of com roughly of the completion of this? I know it's not your project but >> Um, I believe it was early August. >> Okay. >> But I'll follow back, certainly. >> We can look it up. >> Uh, this summer MnDOT's constructing a new roundabout at the intersection of Bailey Road and Manning Avenue. Uh construction of a bypass east of the existing intersection to maintain north-south traffic is underway as you as you notice. Uh the connection at Bailey Road is going to remain closed. Um after the 4th of July is it is anticipated that traffic will be moved onto the temporary bypass and Bailey Road west of Manning Avenue will be completely closed for construction. You can receive uh project updates on the project webpage shown at the bottom. Uh it's too long to read, but you can go back and look at it. >> You Will there be signage at Settlers so you don't pot commit going down Bailey too far? >> Uh yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. And then I know this isn't a transportation update, but it's potentially impacting the community. We've mentioned this before. Intrepid Fiber has finally started in our community building out 423,000 ft a year um is what they were intending uh to build fiber to the home throughout all of the community. Uh they've just started. They started a little late. Uh Xcel Energy and their locates haven't been able to keep up, and so they've been delayed in Cottage Grove. Um but you're going to start seeing at least three crews along Eastview Road and north of Dale Road east of Pioneer Drive. Um you may be getting mailers to sign up for their service, but you'll certainly see all of that uh information. Their goal is to get up to eight crews uh before the uh before too long, and then typically eight to 10 crews each year going all through the city uh building out each of those phases. And then uh 2026 rejuvenator project, I know this was on the the last meeting, but you can see all of the work we've done uh over the last year. This is a combination of work that is um a year old, but then uh work that is within the 7-year time frame that we've completed for the second year of treatment. And so it looks like we're darn near covering a third of the city. Um as you know, all all roads are open during construction. We do as you notice as the homes letting everyone know what's on. It's scheduled to start the week of July 6th, so right after the 4th of July, weather dependent, and takes it it'll take about 7 weeks to do all this work. Um and impacted residents were notified last week. >> Excuse me, I just have a question on that. So, I I get to be one of those rejuvenator projects, but um how often do you do that? >> So, we typically do it the year after paving. >> Uh-huh. >> And then 7 years. And the attempt is even though you've just recently paved the road, when the paving goes on, it's really hot. And what happens is that first layer of it's called multienes, it's part of the chemical reaction, burns off as part of that. When you what they're doing is they're putting it back in to seal up the road. And the biggest issue with roadways, especially Minnesota, is water getting into those little cracks, freezing, and continuing to propagate. And so, that's why we try to continue up. This has been very successful in sealing that up, so it prevents that water intrusion into the pavement. >> Which is why you should seal coat your driveways if it's asphalt. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I believe so. I do my own. A lot of people say they don't, but >> Of course you do. >> I like the color, too. >> [laughter] >> What color do you do it? >> Dark black. >> Dark black. >> Is it black or is it a joke? >> I see you. >> Was it a joke, for God's sake? >> I swear. I swear, I think it helps with the snow shoveling. >> Yeah. >> It melts off. >> Snow. Oh, no, but I agree that it absorbs Yes, the heat and that Yeah, I agree. >> Yep. >> Against that. >> And uh Turel Construction residents can view current road closures, trail closures, detour routes on our water treatment project webpage. We've been doing a good job of making sure we include the water treatment, but all of the other roadway projects that are going on, so that we can always coordinate the detours and people can understand what's going on. So, we encourage you to go on the website, sign up. And we also encourage you to stay connected through InTouch. I will also mention, even though it's not fully part of the transportation report, uh we just recently completed the hazardous abatement over at the public safety building. So, even though it looks like not much has been going on, a lot of the material on the inside was removed. So, it's now safe for demolition. So, uh I'm sorry. It's going to be completed uh by Friday, but you might start seeing actual demolition this week and certainly next week. And so, portions of the building will start coming down. >> I think Jason wanted to like operate the wrecking ball. Is he going to be able to do that? You're going to let him? >> Uh we're not going to let him. >> [laughter] >> If he gets to give Steve a badge, he doesn't get to He doesn't get a wrecking ball. >> In community development and engineering, we've been talking about doing a little rage room. I don't know if you've ever heard of those little [laughter] things. Some stress reliever. >> very cathartic. Cathartic. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Sorry. >> I thought it might be fun though to, you know, just sledgehammer some holes in walls. But, I do know that public safety did some breach exercises and other things. So, they've already used explosives. So, >> Oh. >> They should get some videos of those things going on. >> Yeah. >> All right. Is that it, Chris? That's all right. >> any more questions? >> Again, more online and I'll sign up for InTouch. Uh Jeff, city administrator's report. >> Thank you, Mayor. Just one thing tonight I want to let the council know and the community members know about our 4th of July hometown celebration. It's a special celebration this year honoring our 250 years of of uh being a country, our our 250th anniversary. Um this year's celebration to reflect the special uh year will start at 6:00 p.m. on Saturday, July 4th at the Sports Center. Couple things this year new um uh new activity and just to celebrate the the uniqueness and the uh significance of this year is a chalk drawing contest. It's free to participate. Competition runs from 6:00 p.m. to 7:30 at the Greenfield shelter next to the tennis courts at the Sports Center. Uh city will provide the chalk. Residents, community members bring the creativity, create a masterpiece, and compete for prizes. So, it should be a fun event. Uh hopefully, uh you know, related to the 4th of July and all that that means. Um you can register through uh Facebook in advance, or there'll be on-site registration, as well. Um excuse me. [clears throat] And our fireworks uh display is we've we've allocated the the council has allocated extra resources for that. So, uh expect a really grand performance from our fireworks. It should be uh uh significantly bigger than previous years for the special occasion. >> Due to budget due to budget cuts, you're just giving me a sparkler and run. >> For you, yeah. Yeah. >> [laughter] >> So, that's all I have. Thank you, Mayor and Council. >> Great. Thank you. I think that concludes our meeting tonight. I'll make a motion that we adjourn. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. We are adjourned. Goodnight, everybody.