[0:00] e [0:53] good evening I call this meeting of the Planning Commission uh for February 6th [0:58] uh to order I would like to ask members to stand for the Pledge of [1:08] Allegiance uned States of America [1:23] stand thank you I'd like to ask Ms Ericson to call the role traffas [1:30] here lza here Zimmer Han here Swenson [1:36] here next item on the agenda is the approval of minutes do we have any changes to the [1:42] minutes I'll let the minutes stand as uh presented uh do we have any [1:48] announcements and I'd ask um Miss Jensen uh yes thank you Commissioners uh before [1:54] you tonight you do have uh a handout that is the findings of fact for the the CU P that's on the agenda this evening [2:02] uh we did have the wrong legal um uh description attached to the document so [2:08] that is why you have a a revised copy there were no changes to the Bings of fact themselves and then as a reminder [2:15] following tonight's regular meeting uh we will adjourn and move to the Maring conference room for a joint work session [2:20] with the parks and rec committee uh again immediately following this [2:26] meeting thank you very much um next item on the agenda number [2:31] five uh the North Creek MHP conditional use permit uh this is a public hearing [2:37] to consider the application of dirt Boys Incorporated for a conditional use permit to allow the expansion of North [2:43] Creek manufactured home park for the development of manufactured home sites in the rsmh single family manufactured [2:52] home park district and Shoreland overlay District uh we'll have a presentation um [2:59] but I would like to ask anybody that does want to speak uh to sign up on the [3:04] signup sheet at the back of the room and um there's a lot of people will have to [3:09] do some limiting of time probably three minutes a piece thank [3:16] you uh do we have a presenter [3:24] okay good evening Commissioners thank you for uh your time today and this is a good road thank you for your time [3:30] and could you just give us your name for the record uh my name is Joe Mander I'm a licensed engineer and I'm the design [3:36] engineer on the uh Project tonight uh I wanted to quickly take you through our request and then touch on some of the [3:43] highlights of the project uh the Project's located just south of the existing North K States [3:50] manufactured home community and and directly north of the country view manufactured home Community the project [3:58] is or the property is currently zoned rsmh and the future land use map also shows this as uh manufactured [4:06] housing a previous site development plan was approved by the city back in 1989 the site was considered phase three [4:13] of the North Creek Estates community and before that the property was originally part of Country View uh as this property [4:22] was previously approved for development City water lines have already been extended to the site boundary existing [4:29] sanitary sewer runs along the east and west sides of the property uh storm [4:34] sewer extends into the property and there are existing Road Connections to the property uh Country View Lane on the [4:41] south and then a ridge on the North side uh North Creek Estates began this current process using the previously [4:48] approved plan we met with the neighborhood group back in October of 2023 since that time we've gone through [4:54] several site revisions uh most of those to address current uh Lakeville [5:01] standards uh the property has based on the zoning and land us around it it's been intended for manufactured housing [5:08] we're looking to add 132 new homes to the site which is a decrease from the [5:14] what the original plan had um in summary we're requesting [5:20] approval of this project it meets the city codes and standards uh the property is zoned for this type of development it [5:27] utilizes existing INF infrastructure connections and places no further burden on the [5:33] city uh as all this will be privately owned and maintained infrastructure and then we've worked to address the [5:39] neighborhood's concerns and we believe the current layout is better than the previously approved plan back in '89 uh [5:46] I appreciate your time and I'm available for any questions thank you very [5:52] much I we have a presentation from City staff thank you good good even evening [6:00] um Commissioners um I'm just going to review a few slides um a little bit of [6:05] repeat from what the applicant shared but that's just fine um but as he mentioned dirt boy Incorporated on [6:10] behalf of North Creek of Lakeville LLC is requesting the conditional use permit to expand North Creek manufactured home [6:17] Community this addition will be immediately south of the existing North Creek you can see that on the screen um [6:23] it's the property outlined in yellow and north of the existing Country View Trail neighborhood the property is Zone rsmh [6:31] rsmh single family can you pause for just a moment our screens aren't [6:38] on [6:53] oh there there we go thank you [7:00] that would help huh okay so you can see um again on the area where the property [7:05] is located um um how it is zoned um the two manufactured the manufactured home [7:10] park that exists today is under the same zoning as well as to the South um the applicant did share that [7:17] there is some history um there's been phasing on this project so this is um [7:23] basically phase three um this property has been zoned for manufact manufactured home park since 1974 so so there's a [7:29] long history an expectation that this remaining property would develop um this map is just showing the existing [7:36] conditions um here is a layout without all the home sites um you can see the street connection um to the north um [7:43] there'll be an emergency access to Country View on the south the internal Street system um and then there is a [7:50] infiltration Basin on the North and then um storm waterer detention pond on the south um that adds some separation to [7:57] Country View um a portion of the site does um is located within the Shoreland overlay [8:03] District of North Creek um so with that um we have to review um several [8:09] different things including impervious surface standards and so forth that review has been complete by the city as [8:15] well as DNR staff um and has been um determined that it meets all of the requirements of the Shoreland [8:23] Zone um here's the site plan um the plans don't show really crystal clear on [8:29] the plan um screen so I apologize for that but you can see the location of the home sites um scattered throughout the [8:35] site um again the access point will be coming from the north um to the existing [8:40] North Creek neighborhood um there's several other features on the site including Recreation areas up in that [8:46] corner um the shelter is centralized in the community as well as a playground area and there are areas um for 26 [8:54] additional parking stalls in different points of the neighborhood um for guest Pary parking although the Lots meet um [9:02] the required lot size setbacks and so forth um each lot provides two off street parking spaces and then again as [9:10] I mentioned there are guest parking stalls um scattered throughout the site one of the things that um the applicant [9:17] will be providing in addition to Landscaping there will be a fence along the entire Western Property a six foot [9:23] high privacy fence that fence will extend around the corner and then it turns into a chain link fence a couple [9:31] of different drawings I've got here to kind of show where that transition point is it's about here this plan might show [9:37] it a little bit better um with that transition it turns into um the chain link fence connects then to a gate and [9:45] then the chain length fence the chain link fence extends along that entire South Boundary then wraps around that [9:51] pond to enclose the pond area so there is fencing between the two neighborhoods partly privacy and then partly the chain [9:58] link fence the gate between this development and Country View is for emergency purposes [10:04] only so it is not intended to have daily traffic when I shared these plans and [10:09] when um I had a conversation with the owner of Country View there was some concern expressed over the gate in terms [10:16] of the height and whether or not it would be climbable there is a lot of concern between that neighborhood and [10:22] this proposal of people being able to access into Country View States you will hear that concern tonight from residents [10:29] and so I just put up on the screen what the gate looks like it's a 4ot in Heights um gate it'll be a sliding gate [10:36] it does have a heavy duty privacy screening attached um but again there is concern over um is that tall enough um [10:43] to prevent people accessing um the two neighborhoods um I will point out though [10:49] that even with that gate when you look at the overall aerial um the entire [10:54] neighborhood is not being enclosed um so there are other ways to you know get [11:00] into Country View if somebody wanted to um but there is particular concern over this gate and how it's handled so I just [11:07] want to Prime you for com comments you're probably going to hear I have shared that that is a concern to the [11:12] applicant so they are aware and can address those questions um to you um [11:18] here's a landscaping plan um almost every lot has a tree or more um there's [11:23] areas where increased Landscaping is provided along the west property line um [11:28] along the this property line as well as trees provided for um almost all of the Lots so all of the Landscaping [11:35] requirements have been met um again this is a conditional use permit so with that [11:41] it is our job to review the code um or review this item and this request based [11:47] on the standards of the zoning ordinance and staff has determined that it meets the requirements we do as a conditional [11:53] use have some suggested conditions that have been included in your staff report [11:58] um there also up on the screen and if there's any um through what you hear in the public hearing and conversations [12:05] that you have with the applicant if there's any changes those conditions they will be noted prior to going to [12:11] city council and I'm just going to put this plan up because it's probably the clearest and I would stand for any [12:17] questions or if you desire open the public hearing I think we'll probably move to [12:24] the public hearing but keep you on on site [12:30] um we will open uh the public hearing and I have a list here of 20 folks that want to speak and we want to hear from [12:38] folks but we do need to limit time frames and it would be very important to not repeat the questions uh that and [12:45] comments that have already been asked by uh previous folks that are speaking uh just to keep moving things along and the [12:53] questions asked by um everyone who comes up will be noted by staff and planning [12:58] commissioner and we will address those questions um after the public hearing is [13:04] closed and uh with that then we'll start at the top of the list and I have Joyce [13:22] mallerie thank you for being here and please just uh speak into the microphone um with your name and address so we have [13:27] that for the record thank you hello my name is Joyce mallerie 5640 evth Court Farmington [13:36] 55024 I am a 38-year country view resident my home currently faces the [13:44] ball field the B basketball court um my biggest concern is it's like [13:51] a Speedway through back and forth in front of our home we insisted on a four-way stop sign to be put right there [13:57] on the corner and it's there now it's been in place however people don't pay [14:02] attention and we our biggest concern is the increase in the traffic in our [14:10] neighborhood and what's going to happen the pond we enjoy the pond the wildlife the Ducks the geese an [14:18] occasional coyote will howl or a pack will howl we've seen deer baled Eagles [14:24] we're going to lose all that if this goes through along with property taxes how [14:30] will this impact our property taxes that's my question how will this impact [14:35] our property taxes that's your question okay thank you thank [14:42] you next up is Kurt it looks like meus me [14:47] cus thank you we were doing this thing I thought [14:53] there was just an entry you know you fill out it when you you are not required to speak sir I do have a couple questions I would like to address my [15:01] name is Kurt mikas I live at 17265 North Creek Lane uh in the North Creek Trailer Park [15:09] Community um I have a couple questions uh as far as traffic goes you put 132 [15:16] homes in there if there's two cars per house figure that out at [15:24] 264 cars coming through there at 7:00 in the morning going to work North Creek [15:31] Drive is like a NASCAR race they people [15:36] fly down that road we have no way of controlling that there's no stop signs [15:42] on North Creek Drive at all you put in all these homes back there and people [15:48] that live there already is hard enough to get on on Pilot Knob now you're going [15:54] to put all these homes in there second thing I'm asking about is [15:59] your shelter I would like to find out we don't even have a shelter adequate for [16:05] all the people in North Creek trailer right now there is a uh basement below [16:11] the office maybe holds 30 people 40 people at the most we don't they have no plans on how [16:20] many people can fit into that building the people that live in the in the second part of North Creek trailer [16:27] park we don't have have a shelter to go to there's one more question I have my [16:34] backyard floods out all summer long and last year it got 3 feet up to [16:41] the property line what is being done about [16:47] that if they put all these houses back there the runoff where is it all going to go into the into the North Creek [16:54] Creek because DNR has not done their job as as far as keeping the bridge clear of [17:02] brush leaves trees and it just backs up [17:07] and I'm afraid uh I believe in 2008 or [17:14] 2006 the flood waters came over the property lines and went down the [17:20] street so those are my three questions I like to find out what's going on [17:25] excellent thank you so much next up is uh Michael and Linda [17:30] balm [17:39] Gartner thank you so much if you'll give us your name and address for the record my name is Linda bomb Gartner I live at [17:46] 17390 Faraday Lane so I'm one of those houses that backs right up to on the [17:52] west side where they're putting a fence my question is about the fence what is the material going to be is it going to [17:58] need maintenance and if we have a big gust of wind and a storm who's going to be in charge of [18:04] replacing the fence to its existing area or whatever um I also have [18:11] a concern that I don't imagine we can do anything about but having looked at that [18:16] property for 30 years we built the house so it's been like 32 years that we've [18:21] lived there it's an open area where there are so many animals that live there deer and fox and rabbits and [18:29] everything and apparently from looking online Lakeville has no restrictions on and I I guess it's [18:37] one of the future agenda items there's no requirement for any trees to be left [18:42] and any everything gets torn down and I don't see that that's a good objective [18:48] to have um and I'm just I'm just going to be really sad the day that I see those bulldozers come in there and take [18:55] away all that habitat and those animals have nowhere to go because everything else has been taken [19:01] down in the meantime that used to be like a cross from North Trail where there was hunting because there was so [19:06] much vegetation and everything it's just it's just really sad in my mind that [19:11] this is going to happen and they have I mean I when I thought about it they have to go miles to find another place to [19:18] live it's just really sad that this is going to happen anyway so I hope that since I see it on the future agenda that [19:24] that's something that's taken care of and the restrictions are changed when there's a development excellent thank [19:30] you so much thank you Michael bong Gartner or are you no [19:39] okay thank you uh Kevin Morgan [19:48] please yeah I thought I thought it was just a sign and sheet but that's okay uh Kevin Morgan 17305 Fair green Avenue [19:56] Forton Minnesota 5502 for thank you I live at the very end of the current um [20:04] Park um right before you go over the bridge into the expansion and as was mentioned part of [20:12] as always me about the amount of traffic and um I'm hearing that there's going to [20:19] be some Recreation Area is that true I I believe that was like [20:25] basketball and things like that we can ask the um project manager talk about [20:30] that the recreation area my concern is that we already have uh unsavory [20:36] individuals who come into the park in fact they come all hours of the night [20:43] Park um they do a lot of things on that bridge uh illegal things they've been [20:50] shootings police have come down there now that's just at the end right now now [20:55] if there's a recreational part where it's basketball which no one in our um subdivision really [21:03] plays basketball we have the park we have the school people can go to I'm [21:09] concerned that it's going to invite more because most of the people who are on that [21:15] bridge that are coming in are not from North Creek or anywhere they're from way [21:22] away and so if you start bringing in this it's going to bring in more of that [21:27] outside uh influence and then therefore possibly cause uh more crime more problems and uh [21:37] police activity thank you thank you so [21:44] much [21:49] Russell okay all right you know you're right small enough [21:55] I had to put my cheaters on the next one is Jim Craig [22:02] maybe okay Jay vassel okay Dan gustofson [22:15] thank you so much and please give your name and address as before my name is Dan Guston I'm the [22:23] owner of Country View manufactured home Community I'll give my address [22:29] 5775 Country View Trail and uh I'm also a landscape [22:36] architect and site planner uh I constructed Country View [22:41] back in 1972 and I'm very familiar with planning uh and uh I'm not here to [22:50] demonize the owners of North Creek but I am here as the owner and representing [22:58] the residents of Country View uh uh our our business philosophy has [23:07] been uh I would dare say somewhat unique in the industry of manufactured [23:14] housing uh I have been involved in the management of Country View for 53 [23:22] years and uh we have had a balance [23:30] between affordability and doing what we need to [23:35] do to create a very he uh healthy and [23:40] safe living environment uh we were the first uh community in the state of [23:47] Minnesota to be approved for the uh crime-free [23:52] program uh we have relatively strict screening for our residents we we were [23:58] also the first company in Minnesota to uh fulfill the requirements for uh uh [24:06] shelters and our shelter more than deals with the uh potential of uh serious [24:16] storms are uh we don't have a lot of questions I have been in touch with [24:23] planning and they've been very forthcoming uh but we do have some [24:29] requests uh one is that we would like to see the fence increased from 6 feet to 7 [24:37] feet uh the chain link fence I'm very comfortable with because I think it's [24:43] going to be more substantial and long lasting than some of the wood fences we [24:48] see and other residential developments I am also concerned about the height of [24:54] the gate I understand the desirability of maintaining access from one Community [25:02] to the other uh for police and fire protection uh and the the the city has [25:11] uh concurred uh with us on that in terms of limiting access but I would like to [25:19] recommend or request that that uh that gate be as tall as the fence and also [25:28] that it not be of a construction that [25:33] invites people to use it like a ladder because we have uh a swimming [25:41] pool uh where the only one of the two communities we have two full-time [25:47] lifeguards on the property all summer and we do have to be careful but we try [25:54] to limit the number of people outside the community coming and using our facilities [26:01] particularly the swimming pool the other concern I'd like to address is uh if [26:08] this request is approved we would like uh a limitation on construction or [26:15] equipment using Country View Trail driving through our community as part of the [26:23] construction uh we're we're quite sensitive uh to that [26:29] and um that uh essentially I've I've got [26:34] other comments uh that we'd probably like to work with uh the city on but [26:41] that uh generally I I understand completely uh that uh the owners have [26:48] the right to develop this property uh but for me as a [26:53] planner uh it's how and uh [26:58] we just as a point of information we do criminal checks we're one of the few [27:05] parks that do for anyone entering the park as a resident we do not allow [27:12] convicted convicted felons to live and Country View and that has contributed to [27:18] a very low level of uh police calls uh within the [27:23] community uh as as as I've heard many times [27:28] uh as as as good as virtually any neighborhood in in Lakeville thank you [27:35] very much thank you very much Mr gson and we are limited as the Planning Commission to the purview of what we can [27:42] deal with uh as far as issues it had if it falls within zoning that that's what [27:47] we deal with is the zoning and that's the the extent of what we can do with [27:52] things uh next up is Greg Paul Paul [28:02] okay Dan same Dan welson okay um Chrissy and [28:11] Steve en Eno Ando you're good thank [28:18] you maybe it little help Brian and Molly [28:26] Baldwin Jeff and St DC [28:37] Carell I'm sure I get your name wrong so correct Stacy caral car it's [28:43] 17616 Fairfax Avenue so we're the Housing Development right on the West Side the homes um since my husband job [28:53] um we've lived there for 23 years and like the lady said before who lived there for 30 it's been nothing but [29:01] beautiful trees and um grasslands and animals and we we have deer come right [29:06] up to our fence we have coyotes that come right up to our fence um there's bald eagles back there what's going to [29:12] happen to those bald eagles um I've seen them I've taken pictures of them there's many of them out there um there's all [29:20] different kinds of birds and animals and so that's besides you know if it's going [29:26] to happen it's going to happen but we need I'd like to at least have that addressed like what happens to those [29:31] Eagles um we have an easement that goes right along our property because there [29:37] is a power line there and so I know they can't put the fence up to they can go up [29:43] to the easement but what's that fence going to look like um right now I mean we just had you know storm damage and we [29:50] had brand new siding new roofs we put a we just put a brand new deck on our back [29:56] and now we're going to sit and look at a fence um or a trailer courts um and I said [30:01] we've been there our whole life I mean our kids have have raised there um we don't want to see that in our [30:08] backyard um I mean I know it looks like they're putting in a pond along Country View why could we have the pond put [30:15] along where the houses are instead of Along the trailer court side I mean does [30:20] it have to be right up to our property can we have a little buffer um and if there's only that one [30:28] entrance in what's it going to do for traffic back there I mean Thea Country [30:33] View is only for emergency access only all those cars are going to come in and out over that bridge um all that I mean [30:40] the North Creek I realize North Creek is still protected but you know what's with [30:46] the Overflow and how's that going to change it um our trees already I mean we [30:51] have very few because of the easement some a lot of our trees have been taken down because of toota electric um are we [30:59] going to get any trees put in um just as a buffer I don't know [31:06] what and I know I've I honestly I haven't driven through North Creek or [31:13] Country View Homes either one and I don't go walk back I know a lot of people walk their dogs back there I [31:18] don't I never have um but I mean who's to say I mean if they can't keep up [31:25] North Creek already I mean if youve driven through it and you see the disrepair that some of the homes are in [31:31] not all of them a lot of them are very you know they take care and pride of their but if they don't take care of [31:39] what is currently there how who's going to say that this isn't going to be like that in 10 years [31:46] I I don't want that in my backyard so I mean if it's as nice as [31:51] Country View maybe but still I it just it it concerns me if they can't even [31:57] take care with what they have why should they be allowed to expand thank you very [32:03] much I'd like to say to that uh when we bought our house 23 years [32:11] ago uh it was considered a wetland back there and that's one of the reasons we [32:16] bought is because it wasn't supposed to be developed now I'm not really sure [32:22] where it when it was changed over to something else but I believe part of that back there is still Wetland so how [32:29] are you planning to develop on the Wetland when you can't develop up I mean [32:36] and when it was actually changed because that again was one of the reasons we bought our home thank you thank [32:46] you Chad [32:56] Veta Hello I'm Chad VTA I live on the west side there at 17668 Fairfax Avenue [33:04] Farmington um I just I thought that was a sign up too but there are some things I'd like to say and then one one main [33:09] question uh for you guys um first of all I'm really shocked that the residents of [33:17] North Creek aren't here because when we had a meeting like this at the school which all those residents could walk to [33:24] they were all there they were all upset no one want wanted anything to go through I think now that they have to [33:30] travel this far for this meeting has really has really and and I think they're they're afraid of a little bit [33:36] of retaliation so I really encourage not all of you [33:44] guys yeah so so I I I I I know that no [33:49] one wants us other than the developers so you're taking really high density [33:56] area already and packing it even full you're you're packing more people in there I already have people kids playing [34:03] around back there jump my fence on the West Side a six- foot fence isn't going to keep people from jumping a fence I [34:09] don't have problems with that kids will be kids but now you're putting a lot more people in that area and it's just going to be more and more of a problem [34:17] um some so my big question for you guys is is back when we had this original [34:23] meeting um at the school and with this being landlocked like this it it it's [34:31] really touchy right I I don't know if that's the right term landlocked right you know CU it's it hasn't been [34:36] developed except everything around it's been developed and there's so much other [34:42] land to do this on it's like why are we trying to force this issue and force everyone to be unhappy in that area it [34:49] it's really disappointing um and I I hope you guys uh really think about this [34:55] um you know about the the res resents in the area because up us up in that northeast corner of Lakeville often get [35:03] overlooked because we are Farmington School District Rosemont phone number [35:08] right we're in that triangle no one really wants to deal with us but you guys get us so um I just hope you you [35:16] know you put a little bit more thought into that like it was in your backyard even though we're so far away but my [35:21] question is is I asked the developer and I never got an answer was about [35:29] rentals my question for them was what is the percentage that could of these pads [35:36] that could be set up as rentals and they looked at me like I had you know what I mean like like would you [35:43] have to buy the trailer and move it on yourself and rent the lot or would they provide the trailers and rent out the [35:49] trailers and the lots and I was told that they could set them up as complete rentals so now you're going to have tons [35:57] of people coming in that don't care for their property um when the developer or [36:03] I should say I should say the owner on the North side has obviously not cared for the property that they're expanding [36:09] so um my question is is that going to be limited or is that going to be open for [36:15] rentals to where you know like apartments right so that people can just come in and rent the whole trailer andad [36:21] Allin one so that's that's my question thank you thank you [36:28] Alex [36:35] Rin hi there my name is Alex rein I live at the West Side allotment there along [36:40] with the rest of them there and Abby Routh as well lives with me she's here with me today um I have two concerns so [36:46] one concern is when I first bought the house in 2023 the previous owner didn't have offence until the two um existing [36:54] trailer parks were put in place and then he said that he starting to get a lot of foot traffic from his lawn into the [37:01] neighborhood on the west side there on Fairfax Avenue he said that a lot of kids were coming through and he was just [37:07] mostly concerned about damage to his property and then injury to the kids and the foot traffic that was coming through [37:13] uh if you look on Google Earth you can actually see the nature area there that was kind of echoed all the nature and [37:20] the walking paths back there are man-made walking trails so the two trailer parks have actually made those [37:26] on their own just walking through the the the wetlands there um my concern is [37:32] that if you put the 6ot fence how solid is that fence going to be and how climbable it's going to be [37:37] I'm trying not to Echo previous speakers but um that easement there between the two [37:44] lots I know everybody on that West Side there has a fence of their own almost a chain link fence now it's probably only [37:49] 3 to four feet high for all of us uh how easy is that going to be to climb and then does that easement between the two [37:56] property line now become a walking trail for everybody else I know it's controlled by Dakota Electric I think [38:02] now and it's not very well kept um for the brush line underneath the power lines and then the second concern I have [38:09] is the gentleman talked about the number of cars that were going to be coming through the neighborhood now take that [38:15] times um a lot of these trailer park homes are going to be extended families with multiple cars multiple children our [38:24] additional school bus is going to be coming through our neighborhood to pick up additional children now um I live on [38:30] the T intersection right on the in the middle there and we have already three school buses that pick up at RT [38:36] intersection so are you going to have new school bus routes for this um [38:42] trailer park and if they're going to come through the North Creek trail entrance I know the traffic study talked [38:48] about putting in a potential uturn for the Northbound traffic on Pilot Knob [38:53] that isn't already there so are you going to tear up Pilot Knob Road again after all all the construction that's [38:59] been going on on the North Side Up by all the new development up there so that's my two concerns and questions [39:04] that I have thank you very much [39:11] uh this one's pretty hard uh is it [39:19] Guadalupe uh and Lucas Sanchez is there somebody close to that [39:29] okay think they left all right Patricia [39:36] hassana on Dupont Amber [39:47] kipley Amber kipley I'm at 17265 North Creek Drive down by the end [39:53] where this Edition is going to go in simply going to say before you guys approve this I would ask that all of you [40:00] come and drive through our Park I've lived there for 14 years I've always been just fine living there no no [40:06] trailer trash for me I've been happy there it's a hot mess it's in disrepair [40:11] the driveways haven't been done um since they they took over the park the playgrounds are unsafe should be torn [40:19] down uh there's trees that we've been told since 2023 that would be removed [40:25] that have never been removed I have pictures of my daughter's house with the tree that cracked in half and fell the [40:32] other half and this was in I believe August the other half of that tree is still hanging over the neighbor's [40:38] house been told three separate times three separate that that this was coming that they're going to remove the dead [40:44] trees we were told that they would once they got this extra addition to it that [40:49] they would then spend some money on our park so they rais the rent raise the rent no maintenance on the park it's [40:56] embarrassing I ask you all to go look and decide if that's what you want in Lakeville I don't trust that our side of [41:03] the park is going to get done because we've been told so many times before that these things would be done and they [41:08] have not thank you thank you uh next up is Jody [41:22] raber what I have to say has already been said uh the height of the fence I [41:27] mean really this is this is over four feet this would be the height of that the gate no it's I'm all for the the [41:34] Trump wall down south that's the height I'd like to see because if this is all [41:39] going to be rentals I'm worried about the Safety and Security of the children in country viiew because we have [41:46] standards in country viw we are checked out we've gone through the police checks and all just to move in there now if [41:52] this is all going to be rentals what kind of checks or what kind of guarantees can you give us the residents of Country View well I guess giveing you [41:59] my address 5695 177th Street I'm on the the south side of of Country View where [42:07] the new housing was all put in in the field and that they've got like a s foot fence there it's a plastic fence that [42:13] would be the bare minimum of a fence because I would like to see none of our children in Country View to be affected [42:20] by anybody who lives in rental properties I mean we do have a pretty good strict rules in our in our Park [42:27] so it's I'd like to see that that's that's my biggest concern is to see I raised two sons there I'm a longtime [42:34] resident I've lived there since 1989 so I I I said I'm enjoy everything [42:40] here that we have there we've got the swimming pool my kids have enjoyed that growing up and we don't need other people like Dana said about people [42:46] coming in but as far as height I'm a little different from Dan I just assume go to that Trump Wall height it's uh you [42:54] know but I'd like to see it go completely around the whole the the whole area there because I'm I'm really [42:59] worried about the Safety and Security of our children so that's all I have to say thank you thank you very [43:09] much I haven't gaveled you down but we're not supposed to have outbursts or clapping um that's the extent of this [43:18] list is there anyone else uh that wanted to speak that has something to add to the [43:25] conversation and do we have have anybody [43:32] virtually don't think there's anybody there Madam chair seeing no one else come forward I move to close the public [43:39] hearing second we have a motion and a second all those in favor signify by [43:45] saying I I opposed the public hearing is now [43:51] closed we have a very long list of questions and um I think the best [43:57] uh approach would be to ask Mr I saw your name on here and it was spelled correctly [44:04] mainliner uh to come forward and maybe give us a response to um the questions I saw you taking copious notes that would [44:10] be great thank you I'm just going to kind of start at the top of my list of notes and if [44:17] there's something I missed let me let me know um the storm shelter we uh there is [44:23] a storm shelter located on as part of this expansion and that uh was was designed in size by a licensed architect [44:31] who's familiar with these types of structures uh I don't remember the exact square footage but there is a code [44:36] requirement for number of people for square foot for size of storm shelter and so and we meet that we meet that [44:43] code um flooding in the creek uh so there was [44:49] a lot of flooding uh concerns that we we had with this project there's a 100-year flood plane and and a pretty good siiz [44:56] floodway that rindes right along North Creek um our original the original site [45:01] plan kind of met FEMA's 100-year flood plan uh the city has since then adopted a new uh flood modeling which is about 3 [45:09] feet higher than FEMA's elevations and we we meet that um increased level of of [45:16] flooding so uh we pushed a lot of uh the homes out of that area along the creek [45:22] to accommodate the flood plane in that area uh from a storm water standpoint we went [45:29] through a pretty extensive review we're doing a large infiltration Basin on the [45:34] on the North side there uh that most of the site drains to and then we have the [45:39] the detention Pond there in the southwest corner or Southeast Corner excuse me [45:45] um some there is uh kind of an area down there that's already holding water we [45:51] did do a wetland delineation for the whole site um there was one area that [45:57] uh classified as a as a wetland based on kind of the hydrology and the and the [46:02] vegetation there but that was shown to been all of this was farmed in the past and so it was a man natural not a [46:09] naturally occurring Wetland so we're in the final stages with the Army Corps on a no no loss C certificate so um we [46:17] don't believe there's any Wetland issues that we have to address uh further than the permitting process we're going [46:22] through right now um as far as putting the pond on the other side it the whole site just kind of drains this way so it [46:29] just didn't work out to to impr the pond over there [46:34] um the fence material so right now we got a a 6ot uh basically a a white vinyl [46:41] privacy fence that runs along that entire western boundary and that's set [46:47] outside of the electrical easement and then beyond that is the kind of a I think it's a 20 foot landscape buffer [46:53] where we have all the trees planted so it would be you know from The Neighbors on the west it'll be their fences [47:00] easement fence landscape buffer uh before you get to any homes on on this [47:05] project and there's no access uh between the between this [47:11] proposed community and then the existing community on the west [47:16] um that six foot fence wraps around into the southwest corner and then at the [47:21] gate it does transition to a to a 4ot uh chain link fence [47:27] um it we we did talk about that uh Tina was good enough to reach out and say that was a concern so I talked about [47:34] that with the owner before the meeting and I think uh they're willing to to go [47:39] six foot across that entire back of that uh South Boundary there um especially so [47:46] if we could do that in chain link instead of the white the white fence that would work better [47:52] um the gates 4 foot that was just kind of the standard gate uh that we could s i i i don't know if I can agree to a [47:59] six- foot gate right now just because I haven't found a good one that would kind of match up with the with the vinal [48:05] fence but um I think we're we're open to looking at uh at you know increased [48:10] fence increased fence height along that South boundry um buffer to the West uh again [48:19] you have the easement fencing and then a landscape buffer along that side uh the Wetland issue pretty lengthy delineation [48:27] process that we've gone through on that um this is it it the future land [48:34] use map shows this is uh manufactured housing four units to seven units is the [48:40] range and we're just over five or like 5.1 units per acre so I think we're [48:45] within that that density um I'm not sure on the rentals versus [48:52] ownership I I would kind of defer that question to the the owner here uh after [48:57] I get through and then [49:03] um and then also on the police background checks I'm not I'm not familiar on that one so I'll I'll defer [49:08] that as well is there something else that I'm the wreck area in the Northeast corn or northwest corner that was [49:15] proposed as a basketball court is what we were showing there um I think the owner open to options if there's some [49:21] other use that the community is uh would be more supportive of or some there's 's also a playground equipment down on the [49:28] kind of town of the South End uh we've tried to space those things out a little bit to give residents in in either part [49:36] of the community you know easy access to a to open space uh traffic traffic uh with 132 new [49:46] homes you're going to definitely see an increase in traffic we um worked with [49:51] the city and and a thirdparty engineer was hired to do a traffic report um [49:57] along Pilot Knob there with with the new development and uh currently the levels [50:03] of service that those intersections are passing with our proposed project the levels of service are still passing so [50:11] there is no recommendations or there was nothing warranted there for uh signal improvements at this time with this [50:17] project um I guess if there's any specific I missed please let me know [50:24] well we can call you back up too but thank you than you very much Mr main liner yes and now we'll have [50:31] the the phone a friend yes good evening my name is j tassle I'm representing the owner of uh of North Greek so just [50:38] wanted to address the two questions excellent questions um so as far as the rentals go it is our intent to sell all [50:45] of these homes so as a company across the board um we we we really uh want [50:53] people to have that pride of ownership in their home and be able to have a home and own a home and so majority of our [50:59] communities in our portfolio are for sale only when we have vacant homes um [51:05] and and that is our intent here is to to have everybody own their home as far as the police background checks we also do [51:13] uh background checks on everybody who enters the community uh whoever wants to live in the [51:19] community um and uh you know that's you we have the application process and and [51:24] everything goes through a a rigorous background check thank you mam chair yes please go [51:32] ahead commissioner uh I know you said it's your intent to sell all of them if [51:39] if that is not possible and some of these are uh you become rentals um a lot [51:45] of our uh rental apartment buildings in the city uh have crime-free drug-free [51:50] agreements would that be something that uh you guys would uh consider for those [51:56] rentals if they if you're not able to sell them and they do become rental units yeah I mean that's that's our [52:02] intent as well um you know without even knowing what exactly is in those if it's [52:08] a if it's a commitment to be crime- free and drug free that's that's our intent as well as we we want that for our [52:14] community for our residences thank you thank you very [52:20] much um Commissioners we probably have a few questions that didn't get picked up so feel free to raise those and we can [52:27] ask the developer uh to come forward and our staff for clarification um Madam chair please go [52:34] ahead commissioner traffas um I'd appreciated if someone representing the [52:39] owners of North Creek Park could respond to the description of the overall state [52:45] of repair and and maintenance of of that [52:51] Park so um the the [52:57] owner um it's it's our mission as our as our as a company to provide caring [53:02] communities uh to our residents and so that that involves investment into the [53:07] community um I understand that there has been some some uh investment that may [53:12] have been deferred has been planned and then deferred um you know I don't know [53:20] the details on on why that was deferred but we have we have committed um you [53:26] know because we'll have access to additional Capital when we do this this expansion we have committed to also [53:32] doing uh the the projects uh that are necessary in the existing Community [53:38] namely resurfacing driveways upgrading amenities um mailboxes I know is another [53:45] thing that's been deferred um and so that th those are those are commitments that that we can we we want to do um and [53:53] again doing the expansion and then the additional access to Capital will be able to um to do that in conjunction [54:00] with the expansion any other questions about please go ahead M commissioner CLA [54:08] yeah uh kind of to that point um you know we as uh chair Zimmer said you know [54:15] we are limited to um you know enforcing the zoning ordinance and making sure you [54:21] guys comply with everything yeah uh the you know the city council have election certificates they all are um have a [54:30] little bit more leeway I would strongly uh urge the owner to um try to address [54:37] some of those resident concerns you know before this goes to city council um you [54:42] know we want to make sure that Lakeville is a great livable Community Not Just for [54:48] future residents but existing residents so um and you know kind of to address uh [54:54] one of the um uh people had said uh you know most of us [54:59] as Planning Commission members do go driveth through um before this agenda item comes up but I know a lot of the [55:05] city council members do too so um I would strongly encourage the owner to [55:10] make as many changes as quickly as possible um to help address some of those residents concerns because I know [55:17] that the city council does watch our hearings they do hear all of the concerns um through the public hearings [55:23] and they will be hearing this as well when it goes before the counc [55:30] understood thank you appreciate that M Madam chair please go ahead the [55:36] one one thing that that remains for me is is the space between the uh Westside [55:42] fence and the easement and the possibility of that being a a [55:48] thoroughfare of some kind um I I haven't really had that clarified for myself so [55:54] is that space open and accessible to anyone that wants to use it for a [55:59] walking path or is it somehow prevented thank you Mr main ler uh So currently [56:06] there's there's just the the fence from the individual owners on the West Side um and then there's the poles and then [56:13] there will be another fence installed so and that fence runs all the way to the North Boundary so some there there [56:18] really isn't a way to get in between those two fences uh and nothing in there except for the the power poles and then [56:25] there's a sanitary sewer line runs underground there so I I don't believe it'll be used um for people walking the [56:32] the street would be the the way to kind of move through that area sidewalk sir thank [56:40] you other Commissioners mam chair hson so I've heard the engineer talk about [56:47] the um Wetlands on the site and I just want to Echo that by background I'm a water resources engineer understand the [56:54] Wetland permitting process Etc so they are following the proper procedures for going through Wetland review and [57:00] permitting um and making all the steps that need to be done there so confident [57:05] in that uh the discussion about why can't the um storm water basins be in a [57:10] different location on the site um just a quick General overview of the site tells me the basins are where they should be [57:18] because that's where the water wants to go today um just in terms of General grading of the site yeah you can move a [57:23] lot of dirt and move things around but that all costs money take time effort um it's better to not fight um with what [57:30] the site generally wants to do um in place right now so confident in those [57:35] things there I know there were some questions asked about um storm water what are we doing with all the added [57:43] surfaces um on the site a couple of things I would point out or discuss on that as well is um recognize that they [57:50] had previous proposals on the site to have more units on the site they are losing units with this development [57:56] relative to what they had previously permitted because of storm water restrictions that have come in place [58:02] since that time um and kind of decrease the amount of density they could actually get um on the site but um by [58:09] nature of including these basins on the site they're working to protect water quality working to protect rate controls [58:15] I'm confident City staff has reviewed those things and um finds them to be all in [58:20] order um with those features one thing I do want to kind of get on the table is just in terms of [58:26] what we can do as Planning Commission versus what some of the requests are that type of thing what level of purview [58:33] do we have as a Planning Commission body to ask for changes look for things to be [58:38] a little different here um obviously being respectful of the neighboring residents and what they've [58:44] requested um how much can we actually require what can we actually do as a [58:49] body I guess is a question I would ask and I would defer to anyone on City staff who wishes to address that [58:56] I think that that's questions for me um go ahead that this is a City [59:01] attorney for us um and just identify yourself thank [59:07] you so the applicant is coming in with an [59:12] application that is essentially a permitted use for this area subject to appropriate conditions as um I'm going [59:20] to ask you to speak into the microphone better so everyone can hear thank you yeah so subject specific conditions as [59:27] laid out in the city code in the zoning ordinance so to the extent that they [59:32] meet the conditions that have been laid out uh the city uh would have no uh [59:38] basis for denial um conditions that can be added would need to be subject to uh [59:46] reasonable conditions related to the uh conditions um and [59:52] the requirements under the zoning ordinance so there' have to be some Nexus to the basis for whatever [59:58] additional conditions are required thank you please follow up all [1:00:04] right so as as an example of something that I think we've heard from some of the residents was just talking about how [1:00:10] the main road through the park today kind of serves as a thorough Fair um kind of gets to be a racetrack um with [1:00:17] traffic of coming out of the neighborhood having visited the neighborhood I can kind of vouch for that I can see that um having been there [1:00:24] so as an example if we as the Planning Commission wanted to try to have something changed with that is that [1:00:30] within our purview even though those are private streets I believe if there was a safety [1:00:37] concern that you might be able to require some change not to the existing [1:00:43] Park area but if there was a change that would benefit the current park for safety [1:00:50] purposes understood so if I'm interpreting that correctly that means as a planning body we're not in position [1:00:56] to be able to say you need to make traffic changes to the existing roadway through the neighborhood is that correct [1:01:03] that's correct so I I hear presidents talking [1:01:08] about the speeds on the street I I'm respectful of that and I I would encourage the owners to consider that as [1:01:14] this is moving forward I don't think it's something that we as a body um can force them to do anything with but if [1:01:20] there are traffic calming measures that they could consider um to include with [1:01:26] this I think that would um be important if anyone else wants to talk on that [1:01:32] issue Madam chair I do have a question on that I was going to go down the same [1:01:37] same road s to speak no pun intendant I I come out of a neighborhood that has [1:01:43] 300 homes in one egress so I I get the questions that you have on that we also have a railroad track so at what point [1:01:52] given that how tucked in this thing is and how far it is to get out and the and [1:01:59] the back is is gated at what point is there anything from the city perspective [1:02:05] as to when we determine that it's a public safety issue to have multiple [1:02:14] erress that might be a question for our traffic [1:02:20] engineer that would be dependent on what the the trip Generations from the [1:02:25] development show and how the intersections perform from said trip Generations from the traffic study that [1:02:33] was performed it showed approximately an increase of around 900 vehicles per day [1:02:40] accessing this site the trip Generations from the peak hour would increase from a [1:02:46] threshold of approximately 30 cars during that PM peak hour that as far as [1:02:53] the engineering standards are concerned has this intersection performing at about a level of service C which from an [1:03:02] engineering perspective is an acceptable level of service still with pilot op [1:03:09] Road Adam chair please go ahead commissioner as I'm sure engineering [1:03:14] staff will test I asked several questions related to what was happening with Pilot Knob and those [1:03:19] intersections um did note in the traffic study there was discussion about um I'll [1:03:25] say short windows of availability in terms of making left turns across Pilot Knob I think we all acknowledge that [1:03:32] Pilot Knob is a very busy road with a lot of traffic um this kind of gets to be a tricky thing here with um some of [1:03:39] the traffic studies it's kind of the Chicken and the Egg which comes first how how do we decide where to implement [1:03:44] changes and do things for the engineering studies right now they're recommending no changes with this development I think we all acknowledge [1:03:51] it's going to add a significant number of cars um to this area [1:03:56] drivers in general tend to start to learn habits and um find ways to get [1:04:01] around areas where there are tough turns and that type of thing so sometimes maybe it's easier to go right uh than it [1:04:07] is to go left but that's something that gets learned with time um County Road is under County purview [1:04:15] it's not something we again as City staff or Planning Commission can dictate to the county what to do with the [1:04:21] roadway so I think we're we're leaning on those engineering experts in terms of what those studies say what they [1:04:26] recommend they do recommend no changes today but that doesn't mean that they're not going to watch them as time [1:04:33] progresses traffic counts are going to continue to increase on Pilot Knob and the county may make changes with those [1:04:39] Crossings As Time proceeds thank you very much thank you [1:04:44] Mr Nelson for your [1:04:50] comments Mr clua um another uh item that was asked was related to the [1:04:56] construction traffic if maybe the applicant could just address kind of where that construction traffic will be [1:05:02] going through to get to the site and and um kind of what the impact would be on [1:05:08] on neighbors yeah we we've uh fully intend on bringing all construction traffic [1:05:13] through uh the North Creek estate's property and not through Country View um [1:05:19] so I I don't think they'll see any they they we will tell our contractors specifically they're not to access the [1:05:25] site they're thank you you madam chair please go ahead Comm maybe for Miss goodro is that [1:05:33] um a condition we should add as a stipulation I don't know if you have [1:05:38] some magic language for that that we could add to our [1:05:48] stipulations and oh sorry certainly we can add that as a condition you know limiting um construct all construction [1:05:54] traffic must be through the existing North Creek [1:06:01] development I I probably should have asked this miss goodroad one of the questions was this is a high density [1:06:07] area already already what is the density zoning and that sounds like a City question if you want to give an answer [1:06:13] to that the applicant actually provided it I didn't know um and I don't know if Chris verified it but [1:06:20] um what did you say the range was 4 to s in the comp plan I honestly [1:06:26] did not look that up um through the underlying zoning meets all of those requirements I think he said this comes [1:06:32] in at around five units an acre so it falls within that threshold excellent [1:06:38] thank you I'm not sure if anyone at the table [1:06:45] Miss Jensen or anyone are there any questions that we did not address that still have or any Commissioners any [1:06:51] questions [1:07:03] I'm just looking over the list I'm [1:07:10] sorry U man chair yes commissioner maybe if the applicant could just talk about [1:07:15] like the type of um tree plantings and screening that that we'll be going in um [1:07:21] we have the kind of map up there but the applicant maybe just wants to talk about like what kind of trees and kind of the [1:07:27] the height that would be I might address one of those questions an idea thank you Mr [1:07:35] mainliner I have to open this up uh as you can see on the map there [1:07:42] the majority of that planning is going to be along the west the West boundary but then we've also uh added trees [1:07:49] basically at every lot throughout the throughout the development um the the [1:07:56] breakdown is uh it's a mix of kind of uh [1:08:01] overstory deciduous trees uh Evergreens there's some shrub along the the parking [1:08:08] areas um all of the trees species we included were um they approve tree [1:08:15] species for the area uh is there a specific species of tree you're against [1:08:22] or looking for no just just uh just to help provide some more detail to [1:08:27] the neighbors to the West on kind of what what we'll be going in there okay yeah it's um in in general there's uh [1:08:34] 195 trees are are proposed with the project uh let me see oh 30 36 of those [1:08:42] trees will be overstory um uh 62 under story and then [1:08:48] I'm going to butcher this word but uh coniferous trees 97 coniferous trees as well [1:08:55] uh we're also preserving as many trees as we can along along North Creek um [1:09:01] trying to stay out of that area as much as possible so thank you thank [1:09:07] you mam chair please go ahead commissioner one more comment for the engineer and if you knew what I did for [1:09:13] a living you would understand where this comment is coming from um with the uh [1:09:18] Street crossing over the creek um just recommend you make sure that someone takes a look at the condition of the [1:09:24] crossing itself um and what's going on with it today um in terms of whether that's a bridge deck or moment slab on [1:09:30] top of the box culverts um and seems to be some material potentially missing [1:09:36] underneath there that you may want to take a look at so just a and we did have uh colins engineering local engineer [1:09:42] here took a look at that and gave us recommendations those are included just want to make sure someone heard it and acknowledged it so thank you [1:09:55] all right if there are no other comments from [1:10:01] Commissioners um chair members of the commission did you want to make an a change to the fence sounds like the [1:10:08] applicant is willing to do six foot in height chain link along the South once it AB buts the 6 foot in height solid [1:10:17] vinyl fence um they also appeared to be committed to finding a gate that would [1:10:22] be taller than 4T so we could make those stipulations in number two make some revisions to [1:10:28] that in number two or add an item we wanted to ensure number two that [1:10:34] condition number two that the fencing is installed right away um we can add a stipulation that [1:10:43] the chain L fence be moved up to a six foot and that the gate be some gate be [1:10:49] found taller than 4 feet thank you and then we have [1:10:55] the the add additional condition to Route construction traffic yes route construction traffic so got that okay so [1:11:02] those would be included in the stipulations very [1:11:08] good the public hearing is closed [1:11:36] uh the public hearing is closed uh we could take I guess some comment about the bridge if you have some additional [1:11:43] um comments Mr maylander I'll try to get your name right fifth time I've said it [1:11:49] yeah so we did have a a local um engineer take a look at that bridge and give us recommendations for [1:11:56] uh improving it um based on the recommendations we have to do some some filling around there's it's basically [1:12:01] three box CS we have to fill around those box culs put in a new um deck U [1:12:06] put on guard rails and and with those improvements there will be no need to um [1:12:12] post a load load signs on that and it'll be safe for all um emergency and [1:12:17] standard vehicles and Minnesota Department of Transportation thank you thank you [1:12:24] commissioner Swinson for bringing that up um is there no other comments then uh [1:12:30] I think we're ready for a motion Madam chair commissioner Swinson [1:12:37] I move to recommend approval of the North Creek MHP conditional use permit subject to the eight stipulations listed [1:12:44] in the January 27th 2025 planning report as amended and Adoption of the findings of [1:12:50] effect second we have a motion and a second I would ask uh secretary Erikson to please [1:12:58] take the role Kusa [1:13:04] I Zimmer I in I swensson I traffice [1:13:13] I uh thanks to everyone for uh significant input uh and at least a few [1:13:19] changes for the stipulations and the willingness to work together I expect there'll be addition conversation after [1:13:26] the meeting's over um as far as staff notices do we have [1:13:32] anything to [1:13:37] address you know what I'm not sure I haven't shared in a while uh the motion [1:13:42] prevails I needed to I think say that motion passes so we didn't have any other uh managers uh notices and uh the [1:13:50] next Planning Commission the this this plan will come before city council the [1:13:58] next city council meeting is February 18th okay I will make a note I have not [1:14:04] confirmed that with the applicant representatives to make sure they're there um the public should certainly check the agenda for the 18th if it's [1:14:11] not on the agenda it means it's been moved they can always contact me as well but I'll confer with these gentlemen [1:14:16] after the meeting thank you uh the next Planning Commission uh meeting is scheduled for February 20th [1:14:24] and uh with no other V business we are adjourned