plge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible for liberty and justice for all okay so the first item we're going to be going through a series of interview questions for our commission candidates we have four candidates and then we'll transition to our normal agenda Bri welcome good to see you come on sorry for the weird format but got pick a different time yeah does make it easy maybe it's sorry the setup is so awkward um you want to maybe just sit next to Taylor or somewhere on that side yeah performing for us yeah uh so um thanks uh for your willingness think about serving again tell me a little bit about how the last year went I mean I think one of the conversation things that we had talked about last year was it was great to have somebody who's involved in community band so how did that enter play and just give me thoughts about how it went yeah I think um like um uh so it was good to be involved both um the band and and and on the board um I think he kind of had that good connection between the other band members and the board and um I think there there was a lot of a lot of good things that came about this year um especially at the Christmas concert um for the band you know um working with the the friends of the art center they they had some poinsettias for the band which was great um and then um the art center also helped a lot with uh the um with the um marketing stuff of the of the concert which which helped a lot I think for attendant um they're working on getting you know higher attendance for the concert but yeah so work pretty well good Dan I'm gonna start with you and then we'll just kind of go down yeah um talk to us about working in a team how how do you for first off since you've been on the board how how is the team atmosphere on that board and how do you describe your skills this yeah as far as the team atmosphere I mean they're all pretty you know willing listen to new ideas and and um different um coming from different space uh I think when I when I when I did the I came in and did the interview for the board last time I I mentioned it would be great to do some kind of um things like like date nights and stuff for for painting and um I I'm not saying that whatever I said influence that but but I see you know part of part of their curriculum now in the thing they have some you know date things that they did for um like Valentine's Day so yeah so um what do you see like maybe in the next year coming up uh one or two years what are some of the bigger issues you think the uh the board is gonna be dealing with so um really use utilizing this space that they they have okay um um getting more um classes and more people that come to those classes um I know they they have um had a weight list a big weight list before and now they're um able to provide a lot more classes which is which is great for them um they are looking at you um uh furnace for their Ceramics yeah the Kil um and so that'll be really nice the gas Kil that's coming in yeah that comes in and they can do some more um classes and and other activities around that so thanks thought was fitting that the gas company help sponsor they want more they want more gas use so yeah right their best interest they'll make that back yeah um I'm curious what your perspective is on the relationship between the board and the friends of the art center you know have you have you noticed that is that going well do you see any efficiencies there um yeah I mean it seems to be going going well um I um you know uh works with my wife a lot and I can't even remember his name right now B yes B you know he so he he he comes in and and is working with the the friends of the art center and um you know uh it seems like it's going well um I I haven't I haven't seen any problems or any kind of areas that need Improvement I guess but yeah so um three qualities that you think that a member should have to on spard for the art center board um I would say kind of a like an adventure some a new kind of spirit of like you know looking at something with with kind of fresh eyes I think um maybe different eyes uh and I think I think a lot of the people on the art center are bored um they they they do that maybe they you know they can kind of see like when they're selecting the um the art to put in the um the uh like at Anders park right you know like finding the different artists and stuff and and finding any know working with them on what art to to include and stuff like I think you know I I I think you know there there's a lot of stuff about like looking at the different um you know types of people and types of artists to help that I think that's good um see um that's one of them uh so someone who who's who's willing to throw out new ideas and um so there's accepting new ideas but but coming up with new ideas and and sharing them with the team important and then um and then listening say to to to the other people on the art center so thank you so anything else you wanted to share with us about experiences or things you're kind of looking forward to from you know last year if you were to stay stay with it um no I mean I I really enjoyed I really enjoyed my time I enjoyed meeting everybody um it was great to just be more active and understand understanding of of the types of activities that are going on you know what the art center can provide to the the the community um and then you know being involved with with the art that goes into some of the other parts of the community um I think that's that was really rewarding to kind of being a part of that and seeing what's going on there so um I don't know Justin say we've got a whole bunch of interviews not tonight they're all thing on that Saturday that you weren't able to make it so but a couple interviews tonight and then we'll have a full day um I think is March 8 and then we'll uh get back to everybody sure thanks for coming in yeah thank you yeah say hi to your family yeah thank you is there uh attendance yes so on the is that in drop by should be that we completed it today let also just I have a 10:15 flight tonight so say so what it will be let's be very efficient onun engagement I didn't take very hard so I gotta I probably gota leave herebody the flight board is at 945 where you find bismar that's a drive what the heck the problem is you you can't use you can either fly tonight or the first flight in doesn't get until 10 o'clock or 10:50 oh really yeah so you oh that's you can't have a like flight out of Lake yeah yeah is it Dave or is Mark Mark is on planning as an alternate and is applying to come back correct correct oh we're all we're calling really is that right yeah Mark hey Mark this is Mayor heler how are you oh hello mayor hel thanks thanks for calling yeah hey um so are you is this a good time to do your interview it sure is okay so um you've got the council here in the room and I'll start off kind of throw it out and then we'll just kind of pass my phone here down the the line um okay but you know basically record oh I'm sorry yeah one other things so because we had to do this U meeting outside of the normal kind of uh um interview process we had to do it during a work session so technically this is a public meeting there's nobody publicly here but it is recorded so just so you just so you know okay um okay so uh why don't you just spend a little bit of time talk about your last year as an alternate on planning um you know just give me a perspective about you know how many times did you have to fill in and and you know what what you enjoyed about it or what were some challenges sure yeah it's been a great year um I probably filled in seven times um and really really ended up learning a lot one of the things that I think I mentioned when we interviewed a year ago was I really thought the biggest watch out was the learning curve um because there was a lot of new Concepts that I really had been exposed to before but I think as I said in my application I think the I think the staff really helped prepare me I think that the content to prepare myself with um the prin of landage plan and the and the the material they sent me really helped and uh and then each meeting was like an example of something new um some things Drew more public comment than others I think the biggest one I saw so far was the most recent one which was the expansion of the U of the mobile Hall Park um but all those were really great learning experiences and to understand how the City Works to understand external things like met Council for instance and how that impacts how the Planning Commission does its job um it's uh I think it's I think it's been really helpful and it reinforces itself each time you go to a meeting and prepare for it and ask the questions uh I think you get I think you get better at it so uh yeah I've I've I really enjoyed being being part of the Planning Commission and getting to deal with those issues so uh it's been a good experience okay I'm gonna pass the phone down to Dan Walter okay hey Mark my question has to do with um functioning as a team um since you've been on the Planning Commission tell us how how well you think the Planning Commission functions as a team and and what uh what skills do you bring to the table as a member of that team sure I I think that the team work together really well I I I think that expanded a little bit to the staff that helps us Chris I think they kind of keep us together with materials they provide um and then I think where the teamwork really comes the working sessions talking about the thee preservation plan um I I thought I thought it was really helpful because we all bring different experiences uh and and you you obviously know the rest of the commission they many of them have access experience in in government with Jason with with the Department of Transportation and and so I think that we do a good job of of being very respectful about everybody's point of view um as well as you know being willing to share our points of view so I think as far as you know what I what I bring to the table is my perspective with you you know with my business with my business career and the long-term planning that was associated with that and just being able to be a good listener as well as being able to express my opinion as well so um I think it's I think it's a very effective group okay thank you hey Mark John Burl here hi John hey so question I have for you is as you look at the Planning Commission for the next uh one to two years what do you think are going to be the biggest issues uh the Planning Commission will be deciding on and facing and and those types of things great great question I think one of the things that came up in our last Rec session was I Council this idea of un peror and how that could change uh that's something that that really Alters some of the you know some of the planning that had been done something be adjusted to so I think that you know that if the med Council does impose something um with a higher breaker I think that could affect how we look at some of the projects that come after that um and then I think there the other the other concept is using remaining Parcels of land that aren't aren't ideal aren't just B rectang of formerly agricultural land but little pieces left over from other things that need to be used appropriately effectively I think that that's a skill that everybody's learning I think getting better at but be part yeah thanks there this is Joshua Lee um I'm curious about your preparation process and how you know you're asking the right questions when it comes to the actual meeting I have my own process for for preparing for meeting so I'm just trying to get in your head a little bit on how you ensure that you're prepared yeah I think that's I think that's a great question and I think I think I got better at preparing as the year went on um first of all there are things that are kind of basic definitions uh that really probably aren't appropriate for the meeting so I'm ass sure to email back toward of Chris and get some basic questions answered and of my first run through and as I read it I just I I Dr down questions as they come up um typically that that that helps me rather than trying to read the whole thing through and then maybe go find it again so I just write questions as I'm reading it and some of the questions get answered the document great I get to the end and questions for Chris or obvious and then there's questions that then I bring um to the meeting um so uh yeah that's that's a basic on that process appreciate it thank you hello this is Michelle W how are you hi Michelle pretty good awesome so my question for you since you got this year behind you is can you um help me out and let me know what you think are the three important qualities that um a member should have on great question well I I think first of all um be prepared um I have got to know the the other members the of the Planning Commission and and the city staff and uh that that is one of the things that they impressed on me and it really it really B itself out that you you really do need to come prepar um because without that there's there's really not a contribution to make but I but I also think there's you beyond that I think I think number two it's being a a good listener particularly where the where the the public is concerned because they're going to bring Insight that you really don't have until the meeting itself so being able to listen and respond um and and I would say the third one is to be a good collaborator because it really is a you know it's a group activity it's a team activity so it's being able to bring your point of view not hang back bring your point of view but then also to be able to help the group get to consensus other people share their oh thank you uh well Mark as you know we've got a whole bunch of interviews set up on March 8th um so we'll kind of go through that and then right after that next week we'll let everybody know but thanks for setting aside some time tonight sorry we weren't able to accommodate your other schedule but this worked out good yeah I think it did thanks thanks very much got have a good rest of your week okay you too thanks a lot bye bye by the only one I will say the last one Jim King he is currently at the Lions meeting so we could I told him we'd call that that time just at 6:30 yeah that's fine yeah he's actually think like I ran into hello Dave Dave Luke Hellier hello mayor how are you I'm doing well how are you good good are you ready to do your interview or hear early if that's okay I'm ready okay so give me two minutes just as just as uh um housekeeping we had because of how we're scheduling this we had to technically do this during a work session so it is recorded just so you know but um that's fine okay um well one tell me how you're enjoying retirement and then two um how you kind of thought about the idea of wanting to serve on the Arts board sure uh it's it's it's been over two and a half years already since I retired which has gone by you know extremely fast uh I'm um calling and and I apologize for not being able to interview the person but uh we just arrived in Florida here a day or two ago and I will not be back in time unfortunately for when you've got the Saturday interview schedule coming up so I appreciate the coun willingness to do an interview over the phone so know very much enjoy retirement but I'm also looking to um get involved in some activities in the community and for for all the other council members I I not only worked in in the city of Lakeville for over 20 years i' I've lived in the city that entire time and continue to and my wife and I just recently down downsized to the town home and plan to uh continue to live in Lake Retirement years as well um my my interest in the art center is that U um and I and I made some some notes um and expecting questions along this line but uh I've always felt that the art center is kind of one one of the major if not the anchor of the of the downtown and this as uh mayor and and several council members know that you know part of my my uh activities when I did work for the city as Community economic development director was to work directly with downtown Redevelopment aftere projects and uh um the the art center I think play played a key role of the what I consider to be a Resurgence and and and and a lot of private investment theout the last 20 years that and I I don't see that I don't see that changing and um I think the council's decision and action to acquire the uh um school districts area Learning Center uh building next to the AR Center was a game changer and something I think that was in the back of of my mind for a long time and when the opportunity came I think it's fantastic that the council you know working the staff came up with the way to make that make that acquisition happen and I I think it's just you know made a significant impact and provided obviously uh a lot more facility and and classroom space space and and not having to jle um you know activities between the art center and activities at the alc but the city basically having both of those buildings in the and the large public parking area in front has has really been a benefit in my opinion to to the art center and um I I I think the uh the future is bright and uh um you know I know former our Center manager now is is head of the park department and Jo did a great job at at the Art Center I know continue to do a great job as director departmentation department but uh I think the future is bright there's a lot of uh things I guess I come to it not with a significant art art background uh either performing or other art forms but uh uh I certainly take an interest and I think it's a a facility that adds to the quality of life in Lille offers residents with an opportunity to be Expos to different types of art uh uh activities right in the community and and with that I'll pause and see if the council members have any questions yeah I'll pass the phone down to council M Walter and burill who are sitting to my right hi David danan Walter um and my question has to do with uh teamwork your experience um functioning on a board and border commission requires functioning as a team what do you bring to a team setting and uh what do you what do you how what's your view of teamwork well this will be in a different role I was more as a staff support for for boards and commissions for most of my you know City career and now I'm kind of on the other side of the table of um as an Advisory Board working with with staff and and coming up with you know recommendation you know forward to to the council but it's about building consensus and and obviously there's going to be a variety of opinions and I know several of the current members on the uh on the art center board and and think that uh you know that there is going to be an opportunity to uh have healthy discussion and debates about you know specific aspects of of re and and uh activities and and programs that the art center is going to be pursuing in in in the future or decide whether to continue to pursue now so I think building consensus obviously that was part of my role as a staff person was to work with with whether it was the economic development commission or the council or the Planning Commission on developing consensus and listening to all view points and hopefully um reach your consensus on on a positive outcome or or decision thank you hey Dave John Burl here uh quick question for you just in terms of in the next year or two what do you see as the big issue or issues that uh the Arts board will be chewing on that the uh our Center updated their strategic plan I have not had the opportunity to spend a lot of time reviewing that document but obviously that becomes kind of a road map of uh of things uh programs and and other activities uh for the art center to improve and uh or or pursue and uh I I think strategic planning is a uh is a important and and very beneficial activity pursue and been involved in that in other Departments of the city during my career there and uh I I I think implementation of the of the uh pursuing the goals and objectives of current strategic plan will certainly be a high priority awesome thanks thanks Dave Joshua here um you know sometimes folks apply to these commissions either with an ax to grind or a big idea so I'm curious I don't think it's the former for you so what's your big idea well and I didn't always think this earlier in my career but uh the last half of my uh or or after you know coming to L and which was the you know last 20 years of my 40-year career there's definitely a Nexus between the Arts and economic development and and I I think I kind of bring you know looking at it from that perspective and um trying to provide input uh or or comments suggestions ideas that can can can help build on that I mean uh uh I'd like to see you know for example and I don't know if J's in the in the room he and I talked about this you know during during the latter part of my at the city but I I I I think the other activities taking place market being one that comes to mind is that how that could be expanded upon and and and integrated more you know with the arti center uh activities and whether involv bringing performing art artists into the you know uh periods of time when the farmers market is going on I know some other other cities have really taken that that farmers market type activities to a to another level to make it more not just a place to buy you know fresh fruit and produce and so forth but to have kind of artistic or entertaining experience as well thank you hi Dave Michelle V hello Michelle um so in general um name can you uh name three qualities that you think are important for a member to have for this um for this board well uh I think first and foremost to be a listener I me a good listener and and I was asked earlier if I came in with a you know predetermined agenda ASD on I certainly don't but to to listen to all aspects of an issue whether it's information being provided by staff or input from other board members and uh weigh all that information before before making any any taking any positions or or recommendations as a board member anyway individual board member we one um I I I think and again looking at at the other aspects of of of the community that uh I mean y I certainly don't have any suggestion that I mean it's not BR w't fix it but but but it is certainly uh a facility and programs that have expanded and and I had a recent conversation with Joe and just the the numbers of of people that they're able to take into classes now with the expanded facilities and it just expands the footprint and and I think that that can only improve more as we go down as the future of the artart center and and fully capitalize on the additional space and programming that's that's allowed and and and the third one I think is to to uh you know partner with other organizations I think the uh you know the art center has become the you know the epicenter for anog and for tasta Lakeville and already alluded to the farmers market and the activities the DP Association you know take place in some cases with the art center too so just you know continue to develop this Partnerships with other organizations uh including the school district know have facility adjacent to it or their head and off administrative offices are now left on to there's just more and more opportunities I think to partner with other other organizations think that's that's three I believe so yeah well um that's our our 10 minutes today we appreciate it and um we've got as you know we've got the interviews on March 8th and then we'll make our decisions of the day and we'll let you know right after that I yeah have a good rest of your vacation enjoy the uh enjoy Florida hopefully get a spring training game in or two yeah y thanks Dave see y machine know he was telling me he so I ran into a Sam's last week and he was telling me that they um they were doing like a mega road trip and ended up in Florida they were like visiting people all over like Texas so cool on yeah yeah I think when we said it up he said he was going to be in Florida for like days yeah okay so we can call here Jim's not on par a new Appo cured loud is meid your call has been forwarded to voicemail the person you're trying to reach is not available at the tone please record your message when you have finished recording you may hang up hey Jim it's mayor helier uh give us a call when you get a chance uh to do this interview 612 237 2551 and if you're unable tonight that's fine we'll just uh War work out of time thank you sir you yes you're gonna talk to the people that are here and tell them that you would accept some comments and when we get to that agenda and without being condescending to them that when we get to that agenda item then it's just a concept and okay but my question is depending on what we do with it do we even need it so need want the comment yeah so this one I want to stretch a little bit differently I think we should have a conversation first because if we go in a direction that I think they really like really don't like it's going to change the tone of the comments I want to take the one I kind ofe 701 because that that my understanding is that is potentially a plan and the one the war with property is more of like a concept was a good oh and then I have one more question am I on the D of the uh yes I think you are on D I never got noce on or sporadically sporadically okay I think that they may have some exact meetings right now about the food truck festival there's some differences amongst theba members um yeah thanks recording yeah okay I just want to make sure didn't y do they also put the city on that list for calling a meeting so Justin would know about it yeah okay I'll just I'll just let them know for the first time when they call one to yeah and I I to check she's still the chair or not or if they had a transition you excuse me texture right now e yeah so this this trip I'm taking I was supposed to do last week um but the Toronto crash backed up all the flight CRS and so like 4:00 in the afternoon they delayed my flight to leave Minneapolis at 12:40 a.m. and so I told my traving companion like this is going to get cancelled and by 7 o' been canell I wasn't going to get to bismar at 3:00 a.m. either I know where you plug in it did you pick these out no I wasn't here when they built middle there yeah I'm just going to yeah was before me I'm gonna have I mean it's 6:37 are you guys okay with me bringing no yeah a little if he calls then a I'm not rushing anybody fly just cut cloes High everywhere [Music] you you got your name written on your chest Josh you can sit up here with me okay [Music] put on VI okay so we have a discussion items ahead of us um the first is um commercial side zoning review and we've got two different ones we're going to look at the first is um 210 in Juniper so I'll turn over Tina to kind of te this up those of you joining this is by Trinity Church Lake South go ahead thank you yeah here members of the council um so as the memo explained we have a couple of sites that we wanted to get um some preliminary input from you um from a land use and Zoning standpoint so this is often initiated we have these conversations when we start getting calls property owners are interest interested in selling their property um we hear a lot from people who are making proposals on property and have different ideas for how the property might be currently guided or currently zoned so that is why we are coming before you um on a couple of these sites um so when we start seeing a consistent pattern um where more and more people are having interest in a certain property for a certain reason it really becomes that first step to share that information with all of you and then really determine if there is any interest for a potential change we are not talking about any kind of specific development proposal whatsoever tonight we do not have an application this is a preliminary conversation um on a couple of these site or these two sites tonight we did um to get some assistance from Josh mcuny to my left of measure group it's his role to work um cities as well as with developers and kind of find that match do that site selecting help make sites work um for future development and then on the one site that's on your screen he does have a developer I'll allow Josh to introduce him um who is interested in that property so the first one is 200 um we're calling it the 210th site um 210th Street site so this is south of 210th north of Juniper Way um right next to Trinity Church the property is zon and guided for op Office Park um again we've had numerous conversations with the property owners over the years they've been trying to sell this property for a long time um but it has a lot of constraints for a traditional op site or for Industrial Development so there's the location and you can see the context of the site um broadening out um if you recall there is one cursor is not working that South the triangle to the South um that was approved for the likewise industrial building it's a completely different type of site in terms of topography and so forth and the one outlined in yellow and then you can see the trinity church and then to the South the dental property and again here is the zoning map and then a conceptual plan again conceptual plans are often created so that we can have that conversation so the council can understand what a different type or variety of um development pattern could be created there this is not a development application I just want to make that very very clear but I'm going to turn it over to Josh to kind of summarize what he sees as challenges what staff sees as challenges and what might be a solution yeah thanks T Mr Mayor members of the council my name is Josh M with meas group um you did a great job of kind of introducing what my business does which is really kind of identify opportunities kind of in areas of I would say high development activity um and determine um you know is the current gu zoning and guidance you know something that needs to be looked at in order to facilitate development in the future so tonight um with this particular site there's a couple of things that are really difficult with regards to the current Office Park guidance um and even more more difficult with what that typically means in the market today in terms of what Office Park is and what is it is not so the first of which uh really is a lot of topography across this site so what we're seeing in terms of the need for or that the development patterns with office industrial or office warehouse or something of what a a modern office development would look like um are often looking for sites that frankly have less than 50 fet of grade change on it like this one does um large contiguous areas of development to make that school of square footage is you know 100,000 square foot plus in order to be um financially viable um and uh and frankly the ability to you know provide additional scill so they have maybe more than one building or a couple of larger buildings to share a truck do so this site's difficult for those reasons um uh or is is incompatible for those reasons just because of the topography but also the location of a wetland that's located basically smack dab in the middle of this site so when you know I'm looking at at this particular site and saying hey what you know if it's not if it were to be something besides an office Park use if it was something um that was you know uh different and the City of LEL were interested in in in changing the guidance of the site you know what what would be appropriate and so there's a couple of things um you could look at uh you know marar multif family but you know the location of this you know relative to existing neighborhoods maybe wouldn't be as palatable you can look at it from a pure town home standpoint uh but simply that you know if we're going to change the the density is at least worth a conversation to determine isn't an increased you know more High dense product something that the city would be looking for closer to the interstate and and closer to existing shopping so as Tina mentioned tonight's a conversation in terms of what's appropriate what is or is not uh appropriate it just so happens that I have Jeff Cook here with Norse companies who is interested developing this site has had discussions with the land owner has the site largely under contract waiting for the last couple signatures uh but looking to do something like what's showing on this site which is or something similar to it in terms of a use but looking for some feedback tonight over if the mayor and Council find you know the current guidance something that needs to be reviewed and if so um you know is is what we're showing on this screen appropriate in terms of density so I think that's this site is maybe I'll leave it there yeah Tina is there currently access to 70 or is a program for that because I always know it's very there be with with County access thank you yeah due to spacing um guidelines there would be some limited access um we were really looking at how this site could develop with the primary access being off of 210 rather than the primary being off of County Ro 70 I'm sorry I forgot to mention one of a couple of other sites planning things if You' permit me to just yes go ahead so the reason why the sit's laid out like this and once again this is just a sketch and certainly can have other discussions is with that significant grade change occurring kind of on the Eastern edge of that property one of the things that we were trying to do is utilize a building like what shown as almost as a retaining wall and to take up the bulk a significant portion of that grade change while using the building rather than large retaining walls that are simply excess costs and are not something that's leasable um additionally the the hill off to the east that's located on the the church property would do a along with the trees on top of it would do a really good job with screening that height from the adjacent uh single family neighborhood uh and then the town home use in this situation would do a much better job of kind of articulating and pro providing um as much flexibility around that Wetland and those existing trees as possible so the thought process is just you know basically utilize a building as retaining wall and then have a more flexible building type um to avoid impacts to wetlands in that situation that's why this is like this once again it's discussion yeah um the other question Tina for you that I have your Trinity has been trying to Market their excess land if you had conversations with them and would this help their future prosp because I just know they've had a big challenge trying to do that it very well could we have not had you know kind of taking step by step trying to see the the temperature of the council but I should have mentioned that so the Trinity Church the building is in the rm1 that orange but there is um excess op land um that changing it to the same zoning if a change was made um could help that portion of their site develop you is it did you say cook do you want to talk about your concept at all or you just want to listen to what we have to say sure yeah uh so we a mayor or good evening mayor and uh council members my name is Jeff Cook with nors companies um I've been in real estate development for about 15 years um I was in owner at roers companies uh for 12 of those years um so recently sold off and kind of started my own Venture development company uh specifically worked in the City Lakeville uh with darl Mory on the North Lake LS project right next to the Target of 185th um so I was a lead developer and work with darl and staff to get that project approved it was a similar state where the city was not supportive initially on uh multif family around that area but if you see what's happened to that area once that apartment went through it drove some additional synergies with the area so you saw that met tech office go in there you saw another couple of restaurants go in there so it helps uh drive and spur more investments in area um and I feel like that's left a lot better area because of multif family developed there that was 26 units an acre which Lins with the City of Lake Bill's high density uh zoning guidance uh so it's 8 Acres on 26 Acres which is why the 208 uhart units there in this location specifically um as Josh mentioned we are basically under contract um we have a purpose agreement agreed on both sides uh just needs to be executed so um we are under contract with the family on this site um specifically with my new Venture I've focused a lot in build to rent communities um so I have a 20 acre project up in Maple Grove that's 208 town homes um that that's guided for more basically market rate Town Homes mainly focused on providing affordable housing solutions for young Professionals in this instance it it's as you see geared towards more active adult 55 plus kind of creating a full Continuum of Care campus um while with RAR I developed six uh full continu of care housing communities the closest one here is Havenwood of Burnsville but it was all under the Havenwood brand so full Contin with memory care assisted in in independent living here um it's guided or you know initial thoughts again we've just been talking very high level with Tina um that it's a active adult uh Community there might be some Services where um a lot of the Technologies now with wearable devices can help uh you know drive more Medical needs um as as needed and so there could be that component to it but mainly focused on providing a community that's walkable for uh active adults to 55 plus um where they have a variety of housing options from you know moving from a 5,000 foot house in Lakeville downsizing selling their house opening that up for new families to come through and then they move here and a little bit smaller um these homes would average around 1,800 square feet uh two to three bedrooms uh the the primary bedroom would be on the main level so kind of focused on acknowledging that um but as Josh said there the topography kind of goes this is the high point up here and so the the grade kind of Falls this way and so we' use this building with underground kind of heated concrete pre-cast structure um to basically act as as a retaining wall here to hold that grade and you can see all the topography lines there's a lot of grade change here um and so this would kind of hold that grade high and then this would all be kind of more well um you know less grade change once you kind of hold it all up here um as Josh mentioned with this Wetland right in the middle and the amount of grade change it's you know it's hard to kind of Envision a big office building you know most uh industrial buildings groups are building now are you know anywhere from 100 to a million plus square feet which you've seen a lot further down 70 here um so yeah that's it and then what's we got density of 3 13.7 yeah about half what the maximum is right so 26 is kind of City blakeville guidance for high density housing so this is you know half that it's just right at the the cusp of you know uh medium density to high density um uh and so the curb cuts for roadways kind of aligned with the office to the north and there's existing kind of curb cut here and here um we you know potentially work with the county on could we make this a full access point spacing it you know looks like it but um those are kind of the main ENT Council um questions comments would this type of development require two access points typically buyer and emergency likes two access points um uh it could be a partial access point though for example on 70 if we weren't able to gain the full access point even it was a right in right out that's sufficient and just from the general traffic standpoint a good reliever from the one access point company sort of stacking note um I from a true traffic standpoint something we'd have to look into a traffic study ased is there a way to because I think my concern is having access especially even full access on County early 70 not too keen on adding another Cross Point for traffic there especially with the truck traffic that's coming uh back and forth so to me I'd be more comfortable to like this if even if we needed two access points that they were both on 210 and that we were maintaining a significant burm um barrier um between that community and the road um on 210 or 70 uh on the BM being on 70 okay not necessarily on 210 um so that that's just my commentary that if this were to go forward I I would really be hesitant towards that 7D access point if at all possible um that just seems like a a bad idea um from a you standpoint um I I think it adjacently works well with the church to the to the east um and density wise works well with what will likely go in uh west of there um for the Wetland to the southeast that's op2 but do you look at that area at all I mean what could that uh complex be looking over potentially you're uh you're saying the parcel directly to the south of the church right yes so uh I have not studied that parcel um it is something that we would obviously with the church in terms of trying to make something cohesive I would envision just with the grades being a little bit more favorable in that area that that would probably be some additional Town Homes honestly um just because of uh you know one um any additional towns that ultimately be that larger building is a good thing for kind of the community as a whole just from a population standpoint um but I would be foolish to be telling you like exacts without really a lot more study to it Frank yeah well I think that's just a comment in terms of my reaction to What would be adjacent to it yeah to those uses mat [Music] sure other comments okay um I would tend to agree I mean I think I mean we've talked of this family a lot this is a challenging parcel and for whatever reason um just can't seem to get going through the op I like the idea of how it's set up with um you know focus on seniors and actors of adults and those things and kind of some different types I think it might be a good fit um I'm GNA open up anybody in the audience have any comments about I have several comments okay Bob hang on my name is lar live on 210th Street first off just be a little factious uh this is a community for older people I hope you're planning to put all the deaf people alongside 70 the noise along 70 now with Amazon and all the semis and stuff like that it's HT it's getting unbelievable Plus on the south side down there you do know you have a recycling process plant down there that redo pallets and stuff like that and it's noisy and my concern is that how you're going to control the noise on that south side of that development and secondly like you pointed out that entrance on 70 would not be a good idea you would be much better off going with two entrances on 210 Street and handling it that way that would be my only concern with it is the noise level because that uh recycling plant down there not going away and if you notice what what has developed is the eyesore when you drive down there and look at all the wood pallets and stuff like that and debris that they have out there it's not exactly something you want to look at to back to work your property that's all this would be the first senior plus 55 community town homes in Lakeville that's twostory so in 35 years there's only one twostory 55 and older community and they have elevators in each unit so could you I'd like you to address that uh the comment he just made up about the four lane the Jake Jake breaks in here uh you'd want to have a substantial burm there for those residents I'm just sharing that from a planning perspective um I think that was the only but the if you could just address the twostory units the town HS like nobody no senior residents in Lakeville currently have sought twostory town homes they want at graded and that's why all of them except for the one I mentioned across from the library has they have Mr wman built those and each unit has its own elevator for the second level so they come home they drive in their garage they get into the elevator bring the groceries at the second floor that was his theory and it's worked well and those are in demand if one ever comes up for sale it's sold instantly so um I I think that's an important uh issue then the final issue I wonder what staff is thinking about taking away their commercial zoning um and for and does this Force those two Property Owners next to it uh to have something other than residential so it's a it's a serious issue where you're talking about resoning changing the comp plan those are important issues but respectful respecting your points on the Geographics um I think this has to be taken into account does this adversely affect that if I were those residents and I learned about this I'd be concerned about devaluing my property I don't know them personally I just want to mention that is though right there is right adjacent though what's green is that green space what is it so right am I right oh no immediately toest goes across County Ro 70 yeah I'm looking at I also uh mention you know in terms of access location and how it might impact that property to the West I mean if what what we're hearing tonight is hey much better to have a couple of access points on 210 uh we can certainly you know have that discussion with the adjacent neighbor to determine if that if an access point is more favorable to them in terms of some sort of shared access that's probably a better situation from a traffic standpoint anyway um we're hearing loud and clear hey BM needs to go on 70th we have a 50 foot setback along 70th right now so we should be able to accomplish that it's vegetated and provide some additional noise buffering like I feel confident as a landscape architect we can probably execute that um you're the point regarding architecture I mean you can speak to a Jeff but I mean we're we're at sketch PL we're not even at sketch really we're super early but I do know that you had planned on kind of single level living with a couple of additional bedrooms up for like guests and you know that their kids come home for Christmas and whatnot the main level of living would be on the first level of the home yeah the the thought is um you know you have your two-car garage main level you have your kitchen main level you have your living main level you have your U primary Suite main level so all you know if you want to live all one level living uh this is 55 plus it's not you know 70 plus you know granted majority of the people that move in are probably in their 60s or 70s um but that this provides kind of a um The Best of Both Worlds and a lot of what you see on the market today is a split level you know where a lot of your living is up but then you have a basement with you know a couple spare bedrooms down it just basically inverses that so you have one level living on your main you have a couple bedrooms upstairs for Haden for grandkids for you know crocheting whatever you want um up and so and if you really are adverse to stairs um you know that's why we have a full uh Active Adult Community with elevators and fitness and amenities all fun stuff yeah hi Adam White um so I live at the end of Kensington so in order like when I was going to high school I would drive up Kensington take a right or left on 210 and then to school I mean the traffic there gets pretty congested I would just say like that's something to consider if you ever drive to school in the morning when everyone's going at the same time and same thing on the way out you know just the level of you know especially if you're going to have two entrances on a 210 so thank you f are you saying these are going to be slab homes there's not going to be a basement right unless there's a you know speakers get their name and address record to everybody please have the mayor Rec sorry goe Rick Rick ring e 2085 Italy Avenue leville are you saying I asked if it was going to be slab homes and if that's the case is they're going to be a a storm room in those homes like yeah like a a pantry or internal room we're just not at that point of design no not an internal room I mean an actual understood like tornado understood yeah we're just not at the point of design yet and I would just say the we I would say a majority of these are probably on slab on but we might utilize a walkout unit you know in areas that instead of building retaining walls we could use a walkout unit have a basement you know that's truly a walkout piece so um just TBD honestly I wish I could give you more information in terms of the design of the it's not there okay um Council thoughts about we want to see more from here before we have zoning decisions or i' probably got an archaic position on this but I'm concerned about the amount of commercial and op land that were resoning for residential just with the long-term fiscal issues that's going to create for us with an imbalance and how property taxation works so I'm um and and and I understand op is kind of a placeholder for for Farmland that we're waiting for people to want to liquidate or that's the case in the other property we're going to be talking about um but I I think that's a discussion that probably should happen as part of the plan process if we're going to be looking at um bigger changes in the op zone so I'm it's not a firm position but I'm I'm I'm not real excited about the the zoning you know one of the things I thought of when I looked at this whole memo was and like Dan was talking about is we've been reluctant to rezone I understand this isn't commercial uh that this is Office Park um so I I I share some of the same uh concerns however I we've also o seen tracks of land that have saffer two Dees and you know there's just no interest in in zon in developing it as Zone um so I I want to hear a little bit more about the history of this land and it sounds like it's been available for a while um and so I I would like to hear a little bit more about uh why and you explained it in the memo a lot of it is terrain and the terrain just isn't suitable for an OP you know people don't want to put office parks and those types of terrain but in the back of my mind I keep going I I we've been reluctant to do this type of deal before without a compelling um reason and my compelling reason has usually been because it's just sat for so long and the zoning isn't working um and we've been able to uh continue to even if we've zoned to residential leave some of the original zone so I think uh those are the two things that that jump out uh of we in terms of the concept I I I like the concept um and uh but I just I I'd want to hear a more compelling case for others um so my thought process was when I saw these in the packet I no I'd really like to look at the whole pie at some point I don't know why we're you know I realize that it's since coming to us because it's driven by some interest but I'd rather look at the whole pie and say okay even though we're mid comp plan um what are we willing to change as a whole as a pie and why and that would be a fairly long you know it be a significant portion of a work session but I would prefer to do it that way um I like the concept but I'm trying to but it's only the piece of the pie and so I'm not really sure how it affs the rest of it and um meaning what's the domino effect positive or negative um for the whole area around there so um and most definitely don't want anybody 55 or older trying to get on to 70 one way or another I I just that um as I get older I avoid any situation that is going to question my ability to um react positive positively so um and that I even dread going through roundabouts double ones so um but um so when you say the whole by you mean the entire city or you're talking about yeah about 70 35 and 70 is like a I would a you know reg I think if we're going to talk about changes and why certain areas should be changed because of topography Etc we should be talking about it as the whole city yes I understand what you're saying you know I'm asking for a bigger conversation if we're only going to talk this area then you're only talking a quarter of the pie and I think because you know we we're not willing to give up like some commercial lands and things like this and I think we have to really think yeah it kind of bites that it sits there for a couple decades but also have to think about the future and what new things will come along down the the Pike and then you know what changes we make that affected not being able to have those things Etc but um I'm kind of going off in a tangent I would prefer to look at the whole city as a whole so that we strategically plan a little bit better for some of the little changes see uh count plan is 26 we start we we're g to get I mean the Met Council approved their Regional plan um so we know generally the forecast you know formal forecast statements will come out in September that's kind of our kickoff so budget for starting that plan in 26 but then we it takes like two years yeah yeah year and a half two years um it'll be due in 28 Lakeville has traditionally always started right away it's done way before the due date but it is a process and it does take time um we are you know bringing these sites you know prior to that um because we are um this land has been for sale for a long long time and it's been a difficult property I've asked numerous industrial Brokers to look at this parcel and they all say it's not going to work for industrial and op the way the op ordinance is structured today is probably different than it was 10 years ago I wasn't here then I don't know but the way it is structured today it's basically a fancier version of an i1 so most of the same uses are that are allowed in i1 are also allowed in I op people are building Office Buildings other than medical and we have certainly seen a lot of that that but straight up office campuses aren't happening anymore um and then when you couple that with all of the other challenges um getting a building like that's in the South triangle the likewise one that we recently approved um was the I35 Logistics can't remember the name of the plot um that site's completely different than this one from the challenges it doesn't have the same challenges with the topography it doesn't have the same challenges with the wetlands and so as you're moving away from some of that op and Industrial Area is this now a chance to shift that land use and after having those conversations um hearing the pleas from the owners can we change it um there was a lot of interest in just covering the entire site with Town Halls versus introducing some density and I really like the idea on this kind of a corridor to introduce some density with that so that is how this concept um got created um in terms of the property to the South we are working very hard with the denim family to shift um those unique recycling uses um to the South um and there is still 600 acres currently um before any additional expansion of the city um for continued industrial um type of development so that is kind of the history as I know it in only two and a half years years um for this site and why we're bringing it here now versus you know having the property order wait another potential two two and a half years yeah I guess um I was just looking for more of an interm um discussion so that we could just see everything as a whole versus just spot but I can always come into City Hall do it myself I guess but the other thing that um I'm slightly uncomfortable with I like um it's the building that's going to be the retaining wall and maybe it's just because the drawing so flat what I can't I'm trying to figure out is if the green space with next to Trinity were um to be sold and developed that's a really ugly building suddenly to have in the middle I mean I don't to me I shouldn't say ugly building because I'm sure you'll design it really well but the back side of it affects what's going to happen on on the um east of it so um while it becomes really convenient to develop that property to do it that way um since since we haven't discussed changing the whole area over there to something different then I don't know yeah and what it looks like I'm sorry if it's something that Council would like to a broader review of like what this site how this impacts maybe the the Trinity Church parcel we obviously would not want to show up you know some sort of concept without having a discussion with Trinity Church as well but whether it's this developer or someone else else de developing that piece that South theity Church you know how that would fit together I would I would need to spend some time on that and take a look at it I hear you in terms of like yes you're in that situation you're going to have an exposed corner of that building but I could make an argument that additional development then of you know some sort of step down in scale that's adjacent to it would be a better situation than than leaving it open frankly so get it I hear you like we need to be pay cognizant of that and paying attention to that as the you know if the site would to move forward but I don't have enough information to have any sort of intelligent conversation about how that would and would not fit there I just know that we you know if given an opportunity we could have that discussion at a later date I just what I don't want to have happen today is we're the worst thing that we can come away from this meeting frankly is Maybe uh that you know it's something that we might look at you know a reg guidance or maybe would be entertaining some sort of increase in density because that leaves someone like Jeff kind of in limbo you know of like hey I'm about ready to close in this land or I'm about I'm under contract what do I do with it um because we know that the the current guidance is not something that's marketable so that's the the and t a good job of also just kind of adding a little bit of color of like yeah there's 600 acres to the south of this that's also industrial that's a lot flatter than what we're looking at here so I think what we're trying to do is say hey we've got and there is a potential issue relative to the current guidance not being something that you're going to see especially in lie of a much more straightforward path for that use type further to the South and then what do you have in the middle it's kind of a donut unless we address what that use would be um that could kind of accommodate the grading and the wetlands and all other challenges and so I'm just that would be what I'd say is like I would I understand your perspective council member I really do of like wanting more information and wanting to be wanting to look at this as a whole um unfortunately I I that would be a difficult task for for a single developer to look at that's wanting to look at you know a development of of this parcel which he has under under under contract and so I get it no I guess I was trying to figure out a way for us to open up open up opportunities for um Tina and her staff because we had already agreed to certain areas that we would be willing to change an open status to something else because of the development that's taking place around it but to look at the city as a whole where are these areas so that they could be marketed sooner than Concepts coming this way and we're peace mealing I I guess I was just trying to figure out a way to be a little bit more proactive than reactive now this the concept of a senior community like that this is laid out and that it's something that's contained and it's something special for the people that are living in there you know kind like a homeowners association type of living for them I'm all for it I think it's beautiful the wetlands is going to you know make some great opportunities for um quality of life in the in in those um Town Homes Etc so I just want to make sure that what we're doing so I like the concept I just would like to be able to make sure that we're not sure causing an issue I my take on it is I think it's because we've seen this kind of the Industrial Area um and is the op still right there I don't know but I do know is that development on this parcel is going to help push Redevelopment at 70 and mixed St area which we need what and so if this is a way to help push Redevelopment you know Motel 6 and all these other areas I'm willing to have more conversations about it because that if you think long term having something here is going to help drive right so if we don't think that it's going to be op and it's something like this then that's a conversation we need to have may if I might um I know there's been a lot of questions about the design and the all that really the question before you tonight is are you comfortable with the idea of changing this zoning from or The Guiding from office partk to residential um that's the question that they need to leave this room with tonight I don't think you had take so um that does not mean that if you nod your heads tonight that you're giving approval to anything all right there's a whole long list of things that still has to happen before they would even get close to bringing this back for forther review so um I think you know this just shows what could be on the site they clearly heard about some concerns you they have about whatever goes on the site where the access is and things like that policy question is is do you want are you comfortable with the notion of changing this from an office partk guiding to a residential guiding yeah and I didn't hear majority or consensus or anywhere near for for that unless after a conversation people felt it mov I just don't want to pick this just right now in this you're not picking this change it from op to I think I agree with the topography and the and the things that are wrong I agree I just don't want to pick one area and change it without looking at more of the area make sure that I'm picking right yeah no and I I get what you're saying I think but it's picking winners and losers get that I mean I think when we go through a comp plan we're going to run into a lot of situations like this where um some zoning is Gonna Change probably pretty dramatically um just based on I mean if the west side of 35 continues to develop the way we think it will it changes all sorts of stuff um the biggest challenge though is is we've always talked about when you lose commercial it's probably not coming back and we said said to say it's almost unlikely it's unpossible it's unlikely you're going to take some Zone residential and change it to commercial right right so I get where you're coming from for that but if you look at this parcel um by itself and not in that kind of pie I get what you're saying but um I may I've heard kind of three votes in favor of uh you know we need to look at it first further and make sure we're doing the right we're good stewards of the land because you're resoning from Office Park to residential and so I completely understand that concern that you want to be good stewards for the community and not set it up long term to the detriment of the community and I think the zoning law allows you that leeway to look at specific sites due to site constraints I think this is a perfect example where we're bringing forth in the Z own in and the comp planet is is acting as it should which is you guys are Loosely saying this area we think will be opice Park but for if there are site constraints and here we're coming to you saying there are site constraints it's been on the market for 20 plus years and nobody has come forth and said let's build an office Park here and I I'll say to you I think it's it's really up to you because what I'll say is we've had conversations in the past where we've kind of been this way and then denied it so if you're willing to continue to spend money to come up with some more detailed plan I think we probably would look at it but you're you know how much time and effort do you want to spend if if if if the minds are changing I guess is M but if you're if you're wanting to put more pent of paper you know I think we have more conversation or yeah I would like to have more conversation I'm leaning towards I like the idea so I'm leaning towards that but I can't get there because I don't know my domino effect sure so I I just so if that if I take the mayor's suggestion then and then well he didn't suggest it but if I narrow in on that whole area the 70 area um and we have a discussion strategic discussion about somebody needs to go and tell me where all the other areas are where the land Topography is Da d da and you're going to you know probably throw out some different ideas that the op isn't going to work and this was similar when we the the neighborhood is being built right now by King park across from the police station that was op went through a similar kind of process now that was much less density than this but it was the same kind of situation where we just were not going to get an office to build next to King Park just wasn't is the only options excuse me sorry yeah my my my other concern that we brought up with this Uhl owner for is that really the most likely use in op is light industrial um and without full access to County 70 th that traffic is going on to 210 and as someone who lives 2 blocks away from there I don't like industrial traffic coming onto the residential roads yeah so as I see this I am looking at this favorably because of the type of traffic and with the right adjustments I think can work well for this particular site because as council member Walter talked about I'm not too keen on changing uh districts Lim or too quickly without full review this one though has really been looked at a lot um and and I think needs to be changed to to be appropriate for really any development so that's kind of where I'm at with it I'm uh I mean if you you want kind of a where I'm at met or I I I say I the default is don't like to changes but I've been convinced before um and I I like the concept uh for this area um you know I've heard now uh that this has been 20 some years but I still um um in terms of just wanting to switch it I I kind of like what council member bulk is talking about just in terms of I want to make sure we aren't just doing this kind of willy-nilly isn't the word because we plan well and we execute well um but okay here's an opportunity and here's an opportunity and then all of a sudden you do two three opportunities and you realize that you should have uh taken a bigger look at at what's going on um so I'm I'm open to it I guess is the way to say it I've been open to it I I changed my mind on a couple other ones uh because I really like the use that's proposed I really like the uh the layout um and the history of the property I'd rather see a property used than sitting there and so it just doesn't make sense in my mind to have it sit empty um so I just for these types of changes I just want to see a really good case for this just is not going to work and I'm hearing that you know you said okay so I think if you want to keep working at it and we'll have a conversation I think obviously staff understands that we want to have some sort of inventory to understand sure where we're at from op and you know um I mean we are we're getting to the point where there's I keep saying there's very few commercial developments but when you have theph different kind of and I don't know if you want to it might be helpful but if engineering or something can kind of give us a sense of okay this has been zoned op it's flat we think it works these are going to be the challenging sites you can create you know what I'm saying because you know you think about there's a half a dozen I can think about that are like that it's and if they were easy they would have been done a long times that's just the yeah I mean we can do that pretty easily the vast majority of The Office Park own property is within half a mile of this property here okay there's some spots across that are um one you're going to talk about next that's half and half um there's a manufactured home park that has that designation that's built and then there's a where lifetime is that's Office Park so all the undeveloped Office Park property is in this area area okay yeah and some of them have challenges like the the one across T and 10th has some uh Covenant stuff on it right how it's developed and so yeah I mean the Heyday of office Parks you know a lot of this now granted some of it doesn't have utilities yet some it's not the Musa um but you know something happened between 2018 when we did our last comp plan that really hurt the future of The Office Park so um Suburban Office Park it's going to look different okay um no more public comment um I'm two1 yeah is it relevant I think it is U first I want to compliment uh Tina goodroad in her efforts to get the dhim property immediately across um to relocate on their property to the South she's worked tirelessly for a year and uh each time you think you're getting closer it doesn't happen the reason that that's an important issue for you is that these residents currently from the largest wood processing system in five states generates air ambient qualities that are not conducive for a person to live near I'm just I want you to be successful my comments earlier about twostory 55 I want you to be successful um and I appreciate what you do because that's what I do for wiir U and that's what I've done when I was Minnesota uh when I was the vice president of Dr Horton Minnesota so I talked about the burm based on the DB the noise levels here are pretty significant from a Cil member Volks point that has to be addressed you can't leave those people making an assumption that now their property is going to be residential and as opposed to what it is I mean that's just a logical scenario is you haven't told us is this market rate are these market rate okay no subsidies because that would be of concern to the people that are in this room tonight um has there been discussion Tina about access to this property from the current intersection at 215 which is a full intersection which could be signalized which could serve it may be able to serve this 215th is so I I think you should look at 25 as a likely intersection which currently exists and a full intersection is already approved by the county so you don't have that hurdle to overcome and I think that has Merit and I think that would be help me out Tina that would be down in this area little okay I appreciate that but I but it but on the flip side that investment might yield the kind of access that would benefit this uh opportunity so you've answered my questions and uh I think we want people to be successful in what and I think you've offered a concept uh do you need 14 units an acre to succeed you don't have to answer that okay um we're going to move on to the other concept and this is the Warg site um which is uh Al County Road 50 Anda area real quick she said do I need to get out we just need to think somebody's trying to get in on teams real quick okay yeah just post too not a single me that cup okay so um thanks for that discussion so we'll move on to this one um I'll I'll have you kick it off I think if you could give a little bit of background on you know how this kind of came up and and so forth and know then we'll have us have a conversation yep and for the audience this is even more preliminary than the last one I have no I have no knowledge of a person who has anything under contract but all of the parcels are for sale that GE George Warg owns so the parcel that's identified in yellow is we're talking about tonight it's a 25 acre piece owned by the George wrick trust um he also owns um the parcel to the north that's vacant and then the one immediately adjacent and ipaba those are already zoned and guided for residential so all four of those pieces or all three of these pieces are currently for sale um I've met with the attorney representing the trust um they have new numerous proposals on these properties including the 25 acre piece um so the piece that's outlined in blue is the 25 AC piece we're talking about tonight it is a split zoning of op and C3 General commercial um it has a little history again I've only been here two and a half years I don't have all the history but back in 2016 George did sell a piece of property to the city to expand at l park at that time he requested that no land use or zoning change change being made um that expired after 7 years so that expired in 2023 when the comp plan was being done it was identified for medium density that's this orange couldn't make that change at the time of the 2040 compline because of that restriction until 2013 so it's been contemplated in the past for this property to be residential again I've been in communication with numerous um Builders developers um on this property we've seen very very preliminary sketch the majority of what we have seen as staff is filling the entire site with Town Homes um again I know all three Parcels um are um they're ready to choose one of the um proposals that they have obtained so the property will be sold very soon um but again no specific request no known developer at this time and no resoning request at this time but because of that um you will be faced with a resoning request more than likely so because we were um I was working with Josh on that parcel I thought I want to get his opinion and see what he thoughts from a development standpoint don't throw him on no not Justa visuals help visuals help and really wanted to understand what is the high and best use for this property and it too like the last one has some very unique challenges for commercial um to work on this site so I'll let Josh jump into those um I'll move on to again concept I cannot I'm gonna say that a million times and no traffic study none of that's been analyzed yet none of it away perfect okay so I'll reiterate this is a concept um uh so like mentioned we were just looking at basically hey what is this if if I knew nothing about the guidance of this what would it want to be in terms of like from a commercial real estate standpoint what is its highest and best use so a couple of things from a commercial standpoint that are difficult one the site access is actually very challenging we've got a signalized intersection at aava and County Road 50 uh but typically of a a a commercial development of a a scale of 25 acres you're going to want multiple you know solid access locations um even a perfect example is actually across the street um just north of uh on the north side of K Road 50 where you can see there's a partial access uh that's located literally almost at the midpoint uh prior to where it starts to curve so uh th those additional access points uh and the visibility are the primary drivers for commercial traffic along with traffic counts in this particular situation however in addition to the access concerns um this site is faced with visibility a variable visibility I guess we would call it in terms of the railroad car storage that occurs on the south side of count Road 50 that um that car storage um however intermittent it might might be would impact your ability to to attract a national credit tenant uh that could you know take down 25 acres of commercial land and parcel it up in a way that either a grocery store or something like that could come that way um and so those are I guess the primary drivers of commercial being difficult in addition to just frankly there's much better commercial locations throughout the city of Lakeville than what we're seeing here in terms of uh of traffic count in terms of visibility of angle you know the angle of where you're at on the road and how you're looking at this type of parcel particular if you're headed south it's difficult it would be difficult just something difficult in deep into the site um and then you know from there was really like okay well then what what does it want to be um or what type of commercial could it support and I could see it supporting something like a daycare or something like a medical office type user that is a more of a destination base that the people and the people that visit it on a daily basis or more regular basis are doing so for a reason because it's providing a service they can't go without it's like a daycare or a dentist or something along those lines and so this parcel um basically takes the the northernmost or kind of the hard corner is what we I'd call it of County Road 50 and aava and provides that type of location so we start working inward one of the things that is a tremendous asset for this particular property is Antlers Park and the ability to have antlers Park be activated by additional residents than what you have um in a town home type development is something that I thought was attractive in terms of the ability to walk out your unit go for a walk within the park and basically walk back home without actually providing a need or having a need to go park in that parking lot across the street I thought that activation um adjacent to Atlas Park would be generally positive for the pars and then recognizing that there is a uh single family neighborhood on the south half of this site how can we transition the intensity of the development um back towards single family and so that's where we're seeing kind of this BL this density kind of step down as we move to the South um going from you know a three-story unit that's kind of shown in the center of the site down to a twostory unit and then basically at the existing homes um just on the south side of 200 second so that's how this site plan came together I would say I would reiterate this is a concept there's I'm not working or no no or I not working for any developer that's actively looking at this parcel this is simply I'm looking at this saying hey is this something that you know how would I do it if if I had a developer come to me and said what's the highest and best and that's what you're looking at today thanks for that um you know my initial thoughts you know everybody can kind of weigh but um if last summer as the first Summer of the new antlers Park the renov antlers Park is any indication of where how will be for tra traffic wise the next couple years this type of density is going to put maybe too much pressure on the park um and I get it's walking and so you're not having to worry about parking and that kind of stuff so I I I'm not worried about that and we already have the Overflow situation but you know when that parking lot is full and there's overflow that Park is full um and it's build to the as a community parking and that was why it was part of the referendum and so we want to be able to maintain access for as many people as possible so I say it all to say is residential may work here this density may not sure for my opinion so I'll just I guess I'll leave it that round I you know I appreciate kind of the background I totally understand all that you know maybe we get the rail c car thing here figured out but still with with the limited access under 50 I understand how it is challenging for commerci um I don't but I'm just I'm if you think holistically about our Park system I'm concerned about how much pressure sure other people comment yeah I uh you know when I first saw the the concept um I mean I have to agree the the large building there it just to me it doesn't sit right and I think you know the the question is is the density um we're back to okay we're going to you know we're proposing changing this op into residential I think residential can work and I agree with the mayor with less density um I just really the building doesn't sit well with with me at all um I can see Town Homes there I would love to see I like the concept of hey up in that corner that's that's a different piece of property it is it is it would have to be something considered as a part of any development frankly from it either it's somebody or is that somebody some else else yep just that corner piece yeah it's a tiny little but how I looked at it frankly is like you're not going to as a from any sort of commercial standpoint if it's going to be successful it would be on that corner and so I took some Liberty I apologize if the resident was in the the room tonight it was not meant to be as slight in any way I just was trying to figure out what the best layout would look like the point the point that I was going to make is I I like that idea regardless of where it goes um I think this is one of those where we could reduce the density of the housing and maybe fit some type type of commercial in there like a uh like you say it's not going to be something that somebody just is driving by goes oh hey there's a place I'm gonna stop it's gonna be something somebody goes to on purpose um so the daycare Works something that you know maybe some kind of Grocery Outlet or something like that uh but I'd like to see less density uh and more perhaps Neighborhood use uh type commercial um that uh is a good concept and if there's like 100 I just think it's too much density sure Jos um me I think it's an interesting concept I can't ignore the immediate visceral response from a lot of people of a apartment complex both in my own home and the emails that I received um so I think that is something that is probably non-negotiable with with most people in this room um I this is one of those pieces though where you know I wish retail could work but it's it's not quite even building out across the street from here so there are certainly uh challenges with with going forward with that commercial District um The Office Park I mean I I don't know I was trying to think of are there other ways to do like a o um and like a office residential transition District uh use here where there can be some mixed use um there were some interesting ideas uh from folks who emailed me about you know capitalizing on on the park a little bit like is there a boutique sort of like surfboard shop that's on the corner you know that that might be a adjacent use to the the park so I I don't know I'm not uh completely opposed to change here but I'm not in a rush to change it and I think that we uh can hold off and put this as part of our comprehensive plan planning process put it through a few more that's um just to see what the options are here maybe there's a another creative way to keep some retail somehow so using that because your point about transitioning um the housing I think is a good good feel for that part of town um I just I don't know I'm not quite ready to give it all up yet sure without some additional investigation be back yet what type of businesses are there out there that are complimentary to believe um let's just say let's call Regional Park even though it's not a regional park you know that's that's where the focus should be is something that compliments the entertainment that's enjoyed um at the park and some additional opportunities um that they can get across the roundabout there you know something that compliments it all and so in that case it I'm not ready to give up commercial at this point because there might be some other opportunities for a business to go in there that would be playing off the perk sure are you um are I'm just thinking when you you mentioned like almost complimentary businesses to a park I mean in my head the first thing that comes I a seven-year-old so the first thing I think is like okay work can we ice cream as fast as possible tonight you know what I'm saying po competition right so it's like more was something along those lines since I just wanted to make sure is that the kind of thing that you're thinking of is more like hey you know something that's more of attractive to families I'm just thinking if if there's if there's somebody that's trying to pull something from this discussion besides the fact that hey we're good without multif family here what is it it seems like you guys are really looking for something to have some commercial around this park that's complimentary but also understand it's not going to be 25 acres of commercial likely is that right yeah and I yes I think that's fair well again I'm kind of a plan purist on this I I it seems to me any any commercial piece of land we have in town we can find a reason why it's not developed now so I I don't like looking at this and I isolation you know the part that's op fits into what we were just talking about I think it should go to just I'm definitely averse to giving up the commercial area I think the easiest thing to answer your question Tina when they talk about three Parcels we encourage that rm1 that's already zoned to be the first you know parcel um because that's War I right if you can see on the north side of um knows what I'm talking about so um the rm2 that's for sale and this is for sale and then all of this and then he has a few other scattered pieces that are um one's largely Wetland we're grappling with um but I I do see all of those being sold very soon Tina could you say what rm1 and rm2 means um they're just different levels of medium density town so yep Town Homes now that doesn't mean someone may not come in and ask to down Zone and do um small lot single family versus Town Homes I I don't know um again I don't know who all the different proposals are I just know they have a lot of them yeah I would say the one other thing in the opc3 to think about this is I've heard for years and probably a dozen emails I don't know who has this idea that can pour this kind of money into it but everybody always talks about some sort of Community Center rec center here again I don't know how that works financially but you know it's something to think about um okay I'm happy to have public comment here's what I'll say we got a lot of emails today yeah um we got nothing in front of us so I'm happy to have people weigh in but just let I'm not trying to be kind it's not be repetitive or you know this is an ongoing conversation I think you kind of know where the council is on this but I want to respect the fact that everybody came tonight so if you have something to share we can do that but we'll just have people come you got to say your name and your address um and let's try to keep it to two minutes yeah go ahead okay try to keep it under two minutes just remind we name oh yeah so I'm Adam W I live 10603 202nd Street West here in Lakeville um Mr Mayor city council thank you for hearing us tonight appreciate it I it's been long nights well try to get through so this piece of property I drive by two or three times a day I work at White Funeral Homes I see it across the way um all the time it's it's mile and a half from downtown Lakeville two and a half miles from Uptown Southfork area it's in between hassi it's and and Ames it's in between Lakeville North and South it's really a central spot of Lakeville I really think it's one of the heart spots of Lakeville and I think that during my time time here living here when I was 11 years old I was driving up the road with my dad and we were looking up at the All Saints Catholic Church and it was all farmland and he said you got to take a look and just remember this because one day it'll all be houses and now it's all houses and I 20 years later you know I still think about that ride and I just really think that we need to Pro preserve some of these sections of land that we drive by every day as part of our identity in Lakeville um so Mr wway walked into the funeral home about 5 years ago and he greeted my grandpa we were just sitting there talking and he walked in and my grandpa got up and and shook his hand and they acted like they're old buddies CU they were and he walked in and gave my grandpa a piece of paper and then walked out he was with his nephew and he said I said oh who is that he said that was Mr warw he comes in and fiddles with his pre-arrangement so yeah so uh he left I said oh yeah you know he owns a property right across here and I said what is he going to do with that when he's gone and grandpa said he didn't know so for the past six years I've been thinking about what's going to happen to this piece of property you know we sit at the funeral home working all the time I see it all the time I understand why people are going to want to develop this property it's it's one of the best properties in Lakeville it's right in the center it's so close to everything I understand that his family is going to want to make money off of it and I understand that that it's going to be a profitable profitable Venture no matter what it is but I do think that we need to preserve this land in some sort of way I think that putting houses there and keeping it residential I mean at the very minimum single family homes I mean I think the worst thing that you could do in that spot is to is to create a condensed housing so I let everyone else talk about traffic and and everything like that but mine's kind of for the vision of Lake Val land and how I see this property going so my proposal to you city council is to I would love to see this be some type of community area whether that's a Rec Center whether that's a park um whether it's more park or a parking lot yeah or more parking for the for the park um you could put baseball fields football fields and I don't know about the financial situation of Lakeville or anything like that but if we have to raise money as a community I think that just the outpouring from The Proposal that they saw online today that we could actually gain traction on something like that um so I hope that that kind of encompasses how I feel about this property and um you know yeah thank you for listening thank you have a question Bradley Anderson on Italy Avenue um what is the urgency for developing this property I think you know these Town Homes would be a eyesore is there an urgency that that we need to know about is can it just be put off for a while what mean there's not an urgency on the city standpoint but the property is for sale and when property sold and a developer gets a property under contract which is what the Warwick family is trying to do they're trying to get all three Pro three of these Parcels in this area under contract we are then faced with receiving applications the city can't prevent someone from making an application and so then that process starts if that process is for a rezoning it will eventually be come a live application go through the process with Planning Commission counsel and so forth so in order to start prepping and understanding what this property could be is the reason we're here tonight I think part of it twoo is you know this was not something that Mr W wanted to sell when he was alive with a passing now all of a sudden it's marketable been dead very long I'm just saying it's like a week after he passed you BS 1 19081 I apologize for not saying that earlier today's a special day from my vantage point having worked with George Warwick since 1989 um today is his birthday George and I just want to make sure everybody knows that George is a very special person a stewardship of land he believed in tillable acreage he always farmed it and um it's because he was his roots were deep as a as a member as a farmer uh he did he did yield to the city's needs by giving up his residence so to credit him with with that decision was was what what makes what an Park what it is today with regard to the daycare I'm going to go quickly with regard to the daycare um which would be iMed immediately adjacent to Progressive rail would be totally inconsistent with the city's past legislative position which is the rail currently runs in close proximity to Orchard Lake K Trail Middle School Maguire Middle School uh and JFK Elementary and that's been position of the city I think for over two decades with concerns so to me the daycare certainly fits on the site I just don't think play area adjacent to the rail is makes good good sense the town homes that are proposed that tracks are not denoted on this drive seriously I'm I'm I'm trying not to interv but the details don't matter so I'm not trying to now I'll go over the me mega issues and I'll do that very quickly Tina referenced it there's a desperate need for traffic study Ingress and egress from this site on dog is an impossible challenge and anybody who's witnessed what occurs at that intersection T intersection it doesn't work and every day in the morning and every night in the evening traffic is backed up from 50 all the way down to uh County Road 70 That's Not Unusual so that challenge I've estimated that this project with 16 units an anchor would generate 2900 new traffic trips a day 2900 traffic trips a day just for this development not talking about George's property across the street north of Georgia's estate across the street from north of who will fund the upgrade of 202nd Street it's an rural section with gravel shoulders somebody's going to have to write a awfully large check at $200 a foot to fund that upgrade which is going to be necessary with the additional traffic but traffic conditions at DOD um would be would have to be addressed because right now doesn't function so one of the details but that's the mega view of this uh the other thing that to your point Mr to the Mr White uh there is Park Dedication that would go with this development there Park dedication that's could be in the form of land or cash so to me the land scenario has Merit concerning the parking challenges that currently existing ANS the land would come without a cost it would be of a park dedication payment that's a park and city council decision think I saw one more hand here yeah Dian Hunton Avenue up the street and uh I mean like everyone thinks I mean an apartment complex is too crazy too many people too many kids we don't have I mean we can hardly fit kids in the school always' got our taxes are always through the roof we because it's across from the lake and the park that's constantly busy why don't we get some more fun there like has anybody been to a chicken and pickle we could use another business in Lille to generate Revenue that would still be fun that's a super amazing restaurant that's fun for families that we need more kids we need go down to Lakeville Brewing Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday night in the summer and it's just kids everywhere it's like a daycare so I mean we need more of that you like though we do not need more houses we're not getting the tax based my taxes have gone up well my mortgage has gone up $1,000 since I moved here 10 years ago I mean it's pushing some people out you not we don't know they got enough we got enough low income housing I think and apartment and town homes already and we can't our schools are crammed F I mean I'm looking for something more fun you go to other big lakes around the state and there's more restaurants there's more things to do when you go to the lake that would be my comment he R bring live at 2085 fly alley I live adjacent to the park um my family bought the property up to World War II a lifelong resident and George has been my neighbor for my entire life I used to follow him in the fields when he'd be out and he would literally walk in the fields and pull the weeds he was really a custodian of the land and uh he was never going to sell while he was alive he wasn't going to see any of that land go away I can tell you that on the on the east side of the park I know of a particular person who visited George on a regular basis trying to buy land to put a restaurant there wanted a two-story restaurant that would Overlook the lake and have music on the on the upper deck um I don't know if they're still thinking that way but they they would convince me that George was going to do it and I said No George likes you stopping to visit pretty lady and he likes you showing up um traffic study obvious I mean you could end up with a traffic circle that I at iava and at at dot 202nd Street by virtue of traffic is purely onto dot a right turn only all right that that's where we're at right now and that's always been a cluster and a concern Mr White is correct this is a jewel of Lakeville it's right in the middle of everything that happens uh and unfortunately that means all the school traffic too because we have kids on the north side goes south South goes to north and everybody on the south side of 50 and west of the freeway goes to South which means people are telling their kids not to go on the freeway so they're coming down 50 that that is super busy how busy is it I can tell you my wife was T-boned by a teenager going 50 miles an hour at the intersection of Highway 50 and I pava all right so if you put a traffic circle there I would be happy all right I'm going to remind you I I'm a regular customer I was here a year ago when there was a a question about the Kenwood property when the roundabout went in I was the guy in the room saying don't do it 50's not ready for it have you done a corridor study no and then I was also said why are we doing this now because it's for safety and I said well if it's really about safety why aren't we fixing DOT first because that's where people are dying not at that intersection we did both studies and both of them got moved up and both of them are fixed and they've been Jewels for our community there's lots of little things that go on there it's it's one of those things where but when we saw this it scared the Living Daylights out of us because that's basically the deepest density in the city and we were going to throw it right smack in the Middle with limited access now as far as commercial goes yes there's roads where you turn off and half to go behind and yes it's very convenient across the highway but it's pretty common in other places along Service Roads and things like that to to come off the main road to get access and if I'm not mistaken I believe Senator duckor is in the process of fixing our railro rail car problem right we're pretty close so visibility will not be an issue and if we went to things like Professional Building like dentists or eye doctors and things like there are maybe someday a new a new uh White Funeral Home you know no more competition okay right well in a city of 70,000 you you can count on more comp competition to do those kind of things you know so you know it's important I'm really happy that you did this because we got to talk to you before the family got property sold and got all wounded up because you know Lille Envision I served on that task force year and a half but we looked at the comprehensive plan we knew that it wasn't up and we felt pretty comfortable where it's at an OP I understand times have changed but some kind of a mix would be really nice and when I look at that picture and I see all those homes right on the 50 Corridor we have systematically we moved residences when possible from the highway 50 Corridor because of the noise the traffic and also for additional rways and things like that you put all those tow houses in that's a big that's a big ask on in eminent domain you know I I would love to see us do some expansion of Park yeah there you that an expansion of our parks that could be you know the restaurant parking and and Luke's absolutely right when our parking lot is full that Park is full it really is and people still show up because they Park in the neighborhood and they park over at the school and people come over they par acoss the lake at the ramp and they come over on their bullets and spend their time over there all right and it's a beautiful Park and it's wonderfully designed really is fabulous design because everybody spreads out in the whole park but we actually have less green space than we had before we added the exra six acres of parking lot if you look at it on Google Earth you can see the difference but thank you for listening to us thanks for listening to what and and there is a lot of minutia you know when when we were looking at going whoa because I looked at it and I went well there's 20 visitor parking spots all right there's over a thousand people there that's not enough where are they going to park well they're going to park over at the park right or they're going to park down the oneway street or on where the no parking signs um town homes and and those are twostory again you know somebody leaned over to me and said Gee wouldn't this be a better place for the for the senior living I'm going yeah probably would especially if you put if you put a little bit of retail in there where they could walk and then I looked at that and I went now there's I'm sure somebody's saying that this is a walkable Community but I don't see any sidewalks right you know those kind of things and I'm gonna I'm going to end it there but I really want to thank you for bringing this forward now so we had this opportunity and I think it's important for you to know that when you come back and rezone we're really not interested in changing it a little if you went with some some town homes on the south side and that transition I think we could I think we could live with that but you know I don't I don't think we want to look we don't want to put the highest density of Lakeville an apartment complex and and eight cluster units together into into into the neighborhood because it would change the entire character of the center of our city thank you anybody Jo J La 9 UM you the statements on the earlier f um I thought were very thoughtful one of the things that isn't discussed but needs to be is we already have medium density zoning on his other plots um points that the city council really needs to keep foremost in their mind Diversified Economic Development this is a plot that was laid out for that Vision we go all the way back to Envision Lakeville 2012 that plot is laid out there's a sketch of what Envision Lakeville Envision for that property it was a combined use plot it had a few restaurants it had a few housing developments it had a lot of Green Space it was loable it was lower density and the idea of businesses that could be an asset to the park um like shops additional restaurants padle board rental I mean there's a lot of opportunities there um the other thing good values for public service those type of developments would be a good value for the area for the park um you mentioned needing a break slowing down the density before the other neighborhood you can't forget the other neighbor that's there too that is adjacent to that we are looking at medium density we are looking at tow houses um so you add the two other additional medium density townhouse things this overs saturates this to maybe a couple thousand extra people um as Bob pointed out a community center those type of things are a possibility in Lake bille we have been asking for him over and over and over again the way we got antler's Park developed was asking for the money was getting out there getting opinion there is a process to it it's a process I believe the city has ignored um the schools I checked on them Lake Maran Elementary this whole area is a busing area they can't walk across County Road 50 in the train TRS um don't know what the current busing rules on um pain for it is kids are going to be walking that's a safety thing address is the safety throughout the community um higher density Crees a very unsafe walking situation um the schools right now all of them have grades the three schools that would be in this area all of them have grades that are at capacity they has some they are not at capacity but it's pretty close um and the last thing I want to remind the city council of is Lakeville is considered to be what the fasting growing community in the state you guys have the power to shape that Destiny you don't have to reone you can tell George's family we're not considering resoning this or we're not considering resoning parts of this so they should make that clear to their buyers you guys have the ability because they are growing the developers are here they're wanting in so you sticking to your comprehensive plans is a power that you have that most other City Administration would beg for um thank you for your time good we ready to move on I say one more thing please you speak I'm Jeff anush 19371 Jersey Avenue Luke thank you city council thank you Justin um I agree with all the sen from this group right this a crown jewel I set here in this in this area here we need to try and keep it that way um Justin you and I met about four or five years ago I think and I said I got a plan for this right um You Might thought I was nuts back then but I still agree um that you know I I proposed to put like a big you mentioned some other stff there I put put a big slide in there put a little train track around there or something something to to tie on to amers park don't just put homes in there I mean we just approved the council approved the one in 35 W and 185th 1835 W by Target that's been approved so that's going to be I don't know how many more units of people coming in that'll be tapping into the downtown area which is good for business but like she just said about the schools I mean we are maxed at these schools I mean the referend just didn't go through I mean there's a lot of people that are in this area that want to preserve Lakeville for what it is is an eloquent we have that chance you have that chance to make that happen and I think we need to to really think about it also coming soon is going to be the Justin talked about that now what does that turn into is that more Town Homes which if you saw the plot for that that's a tremendous amount of capacity I mean people coming in over there so we got to take a step back and think about what this is going to do and what the city can be and before we start Chang stuff around um in the lake traffic you talk about safety up here safety is a huge deal and I don't know who mentioned that fish about the traffic out there they'll create going to that Park if it's all town homes and stuff they come across they put their boats in over there I mean I live in the lake and I won't even go out there in a Saturday or Sunday afternoon I don't even consider it you know if you're going to do it you better go out early in the morning or late at night you better go on the week nights so it's and all that would do would be add more congestion that whole situation so kept it brief thank you for my for your time I appreciate it and roriz and I apologize because I I left this out I feel it's really important when you meet people from other communities and they talk about Lakeville they talk about the fact that we have maintained our business district and that they think that is special especially now since it's become an entertainment site but the fact of the matter is is that that that's the last chance we have with our business district he said we are businesses across the highway we are businesses all the way through downtown that's our last piece that we have for that part Lake and if we throw in a stack of tow houses and let that opportunity go we've really missed out there there there can be a real viable alternative there and when people talk we are one of the fastest growing cities and it's not down they go we are going to need more professional people we are going to need more businesses we're going to need more opportunities and yeah that's simple easy and it's fast and and they can slam it in you know in under two years but why would we give up the last why would we give up our last opportunity for commercial property in our in our downtown business area I think that would really be a huge mistake I go Mr White your business is across the street you want to see Town hes or would you like to see fellow businessmen across the way from yourself I think that's an easy answer I mean well you have more customers dying to do business okay last word Jim stefen 103 1024th Street West I listen to everybody and it's all great I pardoned you because this started out is just an idea and a concept it's it's like a 180 deg the other way um if you build it they will come how about George Warwick Memorial Park that would have been a great for truck should got that would be that would be a great gift and he should call his NE said one thing sorry Angela Bon Bush Jeff but I just wanted to mention you know about the rail cars hopefully be out of there but that if I'm wrong that railroad track isn't going any ra TR that could potentially be somay for Regal rail inter that's okay my name is Janelle and I live at 205 H H thank you and um uh I moved here several years ago for several reasons and I'm sorry but I just want to say that I lived here because of your city because of the expansion and you know I I needed to slow down we all needed to slow cool are our capacity and if we have too much housing then that's going to have an imbalance for the whole thing like I happen I've seen it happen in other cities where I've lived and I've seen it happen now and I don't think people are very satisfied that it's going and I think all of us that you know everyone that we've heard today everyone um has a level of agreement and so you know we represent the city where we live and I understand that you know there's important reasons why you would develop it differently but I don't think we need any more housing I don't think that I think we're at capacity for that you know as shown by what what he just said you know maybe we have a Memorial Park I think that we really need to use that land so that everyone can everyone can enjoy it everyone can use that that might live in the T that they might want to build there because an Park is for everyone not just for a few more people and if you have more people I mean they can build somewhere else and can still come and enjoy the park and so I think that you know you're right more loal come there'll be more traffic and then I won't be able you know to get you know room area will just be ingested without the Boating so I really think it's you know unjust thing if happens because I'm disappointed that you know there's there's just I can't even believe that this is being entertained we just need to slow down because this is not a smart idea this is doesn't look good for our city and you know people are talking about how Lakeville just needs to slow down with a residential we want this to be a quiet community we don't want this to be you know something that's just a like an addition of the bigger city that's just my opinion I just I like the culture of leville the way that it is now thank you thank you okay um we now move on to items for future discussion okay I do do you know in theut we're gonna have a work session at all on the station or a recap from you yeah so at some point we will we're not there um committee City administrator updates you're welome thank you yeah thanks okay seeing I'm gonna move into close session so that I'll take a motion yeah yeah they are they thank you