Happy. >> [music] [music] >> Evening and welcome to this August 20th meeting of the Bloomington Planning Commission. The planning commission advises the city council on development proposals, development standards, long range planning, and transportation issues. Some items before the planning commission are study items where we will not take formal action. Other items before the planning commission are public hearings where we will where we will during which we will take public testimony and we do encourage that. You can do so here at city hall by joining us in the commission chambers or remotely by following the instructions displayed on your screen. Some items before some items the planning commission has final decision-making authority while on other items the city council makes a final decision and the planning commission acts in an advisory capacity. The planning commission is made up of seven volunteer residents of the city of Bloom Bloomington appointed by city council. Each commissioner serves a three-year term with a two-term limit. We have five commissioners present this evening. So, we do have a quorum. Our first order of business is the pledge of allegiance. I'll rise to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We will begin this evening with item number 1.1, which is a public hearing concerning a conditional use permit for cannabis cultivation and manufacturing at 9130 Grand Avenue South. And I will turn it over to Planning Manager Johnson for an update. >> Yeah, thank you, uh, acting chair Eay. Uh just recently staff received uh formal correspondence from the applicant requesting that they withdraw their application for item 1.1. So uh that results in kind of a uh a stop to this item. There's no formal action that you have to take on item 1.1. Uh for those members of the public who might have been here to testify on item 1.1 on this item. Uh there will be no public hearing because the planning or the uh formal development application is withdrawn. So there's no formal action needed. Uh the formal uh correspondence should be there at your table uh for your awareness and the case effectively is closed. So just a heads up about that. [clears throat] >> All right. Thank you. U moving right along, we have item number 1.2, two, which is also a public hearing concerning a reszoning final site and building plans, type three prelim preliminary and final plat for nine cache town home lots and one outlot located at 9025 and 9033 James Avenue South. And I believe we have Miss Liz OD with the staff report. >> Yes, thank you uh chair and commissioners. Item uh 1.2 two in the agenda this evening is for uh three zoning entitlements for um two properties located at 9025 and 9033 James Avenue. So the subject properties are just south of 90th Street um on James Avenue uh very close to city hall here. surrounding land uses um are mostly single family homes uh place of assembly to the east um and some industrial sites to the south. So the applicant is requesting a resoning from R1 to R3 final site and building plans to construct nine detached town homes and associated improvements and then a type three preliminary and final plat uh two single family residential lots into nine detached town home lots and one outlot. [snorts] So the um subject properties are guided as medium density residential in the comprehensive plan and the subject properties have been uh guided MDR in multiple uh comprehensive plan cycles going back as far as 1981. This designation uh allows up to 15 units an acre but the uh proposed density is uh 9 units an acre. >> [snorts] >> So the uh two single family lots are currently zoned R1 single family residential. The applicant is choosing to reszone to R3 which is consistent with the land use guidance. Um in order to facilitate construction of this development uh the existing home that's still standing uh would be demolished. Um, so staff reviews the purpose and intent of the zoning district and compares it to the existing uh zoning. So the R3 zoning district allows up to 12 units an acre. It's consistent with the existing land use guidance. Uh R3 is compatible with nearby lowdensity residential and detached town homes are uh similar in design to single family dwellings. These properties um are in close proximity to a major collector road which is 90th Street and Interstate 35W. It has a um uh nearby uh park Logan play lot close by. Um and this site also buts a place of assembly and close to industrial area. So when evaluating resoning applications um there are no specific state statute findings uh for a reasonzoning request. Um however we evaluate uh on the basis of consistency with the comprehensive plan and whether it provides a public benefit. So goals and strategies from the 2040 comprehensive plan uh notes that um provides a range of housing options as well as identifies new locations and opportunities for housing. And then the city um recently adopted missing middle ordinance and detached town homes are a missing middle uh type. [snorts] So, getting into uh site specifically, here are a couple photos taken earlier today. Uh 9025 James Avenue, the house was demoed uh a couple years ago. Um and then the home on 9033 James Avenue um is still standing. So, getting into the site plan, a couple components. There would be one uh curb cut off of James Avenue. uh nine detached town home uh units would be provided. Five of which would be on the north side and four on the south side with a private driveway uh going down the middle and a circular um driveway with two guest uh spaces on the south side of that circular turnaround. Um each unit would have a tuck under two stall garage with private driveways. And then the applicant is also proposing um an above ground and below ground uh storm water improvements. In terms of traffic, um 85 trips a day would be generated with this project. Uh when you take away the um trips from the single family homes, this would be a net increase of 66 trips a day. the James Avenue roadway has sufficient um capacity to handle these additional trips. And just to note that there are no parking restrictions on James Avenue. So [clears throat] getting into the uh building elevations because the applicant is not um pursuing any vertical um construction and just developing the lots for sale. Uh the floor plans and elevation drawings are conceptual at this point. Um so what he is just showing is a 20 foot tall u dwelling one-story square footage would be 750 square feet with one bedroom and the building materials would consist of stone veneer and lap uh siding. Uh so the building design could theoretically change between um the review of the development application and the permit phase so long as the um overall plans are code complying. Getting into parking and sidewalks um code requires two stalls per unit and what they proposing is a two stall uh garage which is compliant. Two guest parking spaces must be provided. um circled in yellow just south of the circular turnaround and then a six foot wide public sidewalk um is required along James Avenue. Now getting into the landscaping plan, uh code requires 18 trees and 54 shrubs. Uh as you can see on the plan, they're evenly dis uh dispersed around the property. And just to note that, um tree preservation uh is not required with this application. Um just to note that existing vegetation um include ash and um elms which are kind of a scrappy material. Um uh so um any kind of removal of trees would be compliant with our code. [snorts] And then lastly getting into the plat which shows the individual lots as well as the outlot for the uh private driveway. Just to note that all like sidewalks and private driveways, utilities, storm water improvements um must be completed or installed um with the plat approval um and permit issuance. Um and with that, we are recommending approval. Uh just to note for the record that um didn't receive any did not receive any written correspondence with this application, but did receive a number of um phone calls with this application. Um, so yeah, we are recommending approval. Um, and I have the motions before you. [snorts] >> Thank you, Miss OD. We will start with questions for staff. >> Go, Commissioner Len. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, Miss OD, can you talk about uh it's unclear is the driveway going to be private? Is there going to be a homeowners association? Um, kind of all those things related to that aspect. >> Sure, Chair. Um, Commissioner Len. Yes, it would be a homeowners association and the uh driveway would be a private driveway. [snorts] Thank you. >> Um a follow-up question. Thank you. Um so recognizing that the applicant is not planning to is not uh planning to build the houses themselves but sell the lot, how does the HOA work if, for example, only one house gets built? Uh, Chair, Commissioner Len, I'll defer to Planning Manager Johnson on that question. >> Yeah. Uh, Chair, Commissioner Len, so thanks for the question. An HOA, uh, even with only one owner, would be responsible for maintaining that infrastructure. So, the city wouldn't be on the hook for the driveway or the storm water management or the private utilities that are extended, uh, those things. So, um uh I I grant it would be difficult to maintain that infrastructure if only one uh owner was responsible for it, but the city would not be uh on the hook for that. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Oh, go ahead, Mr. Coleman. >> Uh on a similar vein, uh is there anything within the application that says that like it has to be an HOA? Could they say like, "Oh, we change our mind. we want to do it like we want to build nine homes and then rent them out. Is that permitted within the city code or uh is that part of the application that we're considering today? Cuz it's interesting that there's not we don't know for sure what the buildings would look like. Um and if there's, you know, kind of a some reshuffleling around there, I'm curious about what the process would be for that. >> You want to take that? >> Sure. Uh chair, Commissioner Coleman. So, I certainly invite the applicant to speak to that because obviously they have some design intent on how they think this is going to unfold. So, I do welcome their voice in that question when it's the when the time is appropriate. Um uh but just to be clear about what the city policies are, yes, any dwelling in the city of Bloomington can be rented. You just have to get a rental license uh after it's constructed. Um whether or not there has to be an HOA or not, there actually recently was some state legislation around uh whether or not cities can require HOAs. So, it's starting to move in a direction where cities can no longer require HOAs. You could theoretically develop these lots in a way to have a shared maintenance agreement amongst all recorded against all nine uh properties, which would legally uh obligate them to um care for some of those things that are in the planned outlot. Um so, there's different ways to do it. It's just that homeowners associations has been the most common way, particularly for these types of subdivisions. Commissioner Summers. >> Thank you, Chair. My question, just for clarification, so if the planning commission approves all three, the building plans would not come back to the planning commission unless those needed some sort of difference in regards to our city code. So, we are approving this knowing that it could change, but it would stay within the bounds of the Bloomington City Code. Chair, um, Commissioner Summers, that's correct. So, what you're approving with the final site and building plan application is theor theoretically the buildable footprint. So like the setbacks and making sure that's all compliant with code and then yeah the um design as long as it um complies with city code you wouldn't see it come before planning commission unless they were asking for a deviation or a variance or the like. >> Yeah. Can I add to that too? >> Yeah. >> Uh thank you chair. you saying, Commissioner Summers, if I can just add to that a little bit is that it's very typical for like a say a one to two lot subdivision or split that we don't have uh home plans uh associated with that application just for a basic plat. The reason why some plans are required that are conceptual and invite the applicant to speak to that if they'd like um uh is that they're also seeking final site and building plan approval. So, having some form of building plans is a requirement of that particular uh zoning application or entitlement just to kind of clear that up. >> Sorry to get in the weeds. >> No worries, Commissioner White. >> Thank you, Chair. And I may be taking us a little further into the weeds. Um I have a couple of different questions. Um, you know, one is, um, can you talk a little bit? Looking at the map, it looks like there would be single family homes on the north side and the south side of this development and then there's a the street with single family homes on the other side and then uh the church behind or Yeah. >> So, it's it's it's essentially um in the middle of the block kind of, right? Is that correct? Okay. I just want to make sure I was looking at the map correctly. Um, >> yes, that's correct, >> chair. Yes, that's correct. >> And so I'm curious, um, about, you know, I know we're not approving building plans tonight, but can you remind me, please, what is the code for like the height or size that could be on one of these lots? I see, you know, this is a great drawing of a tuck under garage and the the one story, but I'm just I I want to make sure I understand what the potential maximum height or size of the of a home built on one of these lots could be. >> Uh, Chair, Commissioner White, uh, the height is up to 50 ft um, in this area and the size is dependent on the bedrooms. Um, so 750 ft for a onebedroom. I'm blanking on kind of the two-bedroom and threebedroom sizes, but it's dependent on the um number of bedrooms for each unit. >> Thank you. And then just out of curio, maybe this was in the plans and I just didn't see it, but um is there like any kind of proposed fencing or anything around the property, you know, like between the property and the single family homes and the property and the the church? I believe it's a parking lot that's behind it. uh chair and commissioner, it's not identified on the site plan. Um I would invite the applicant when it's his time to speak to um address if that's in the plans or not. >> Okay. Thank you. And just one one more question. Thank you chair for your indulgence. um the traffic study. Um so that's traffic study is essentially saying that if that this was the two single family homes that were there originally, they would estimate that those two family homes would be generating like 31 trips a day. Um or am [clears throat] I misunderstanding that 85 to 66 net increase? I just want to make sure I understand that. Traffic studies are not my specialty. So I appreciate it. >> Um chair and commissioner. So the difference is 85 to down to 66. So that's [clears throat] 19 trips. It's okay. But I I invite Julie Long um city engineer to um um elaborate if she wishes. >> It's okay. Okay. >> It's probably just a math error on my >> Okay. That's okay. [laughter] >> Oh, [snorts] chair Commissioner White. um we use um a tra a trip generation manual and the average for a single family home is nine trips and so that's why why you're seeing something close to the 181 19 in the math there's I I think it's nine I don't remember the exact number but so it's kind of like if you have a if you think about yourself if you leave and come to work or leave to go to work that's one trip if you come home that's two trips if you run any errands or have a partner or a roommate or anyone, you can see how we can get up to nine fairly quickly. And that's an average. And so it's not every home. These are smaller homes with one bedrooms, so they might be on the lower end. Um, so does that answer your question? I got distracted. [laughter] Okay. Any other questions? Go ahead, Commissioner Coleman. Um, on the topic of height, uh, if I remember correctly from the last time we had a a similar discussion that the 50ft height limit is, uh, you could build a single family home right now if like you didn't reszone, you didn't replat. If they wanted to replace that home that was demolished a few years ago, they could build 50 ft, but that would be very difficult to do because it has to be two stories or >> Yep. uh acting chair eay uh commissioner Coleman no uh under the R1 zoning district they could build a home up to 40 feet in height and so the change in the zoning is what in effect enables uh the height limit to increase from 40 up to 50. I would also note that uh there are some height limitations for the portion of the structure according to how close it is to the sidelines. So, the closer a structure is to the sidelines, uh, it's a little bit more limited in height. As you gradually step back away from those sidelines, the height increases. And then for single family homes in the R1 in Bloomington, the 40 is the max max if you're meeting those kind of step back uh requirements. [clears throat] >> Yep. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Commissioner Summers. >> Thank you, Chair. In the packet of information, it seemed like there were a lot of comments or more comments from staff than normal about storm water management. And my understanding is there would be outside of the actions we're taking today more steps that anyone who was building on this property would have to do in regards to storm water management, like turn in plans and get permits. Is that correct? Or can you talk me through what happens with that? Um, Chair, Commissioner Summers, I'll have defer to Julie Long to kind of establish the permitting requirements. Um, but this is in the Nine Mile Creek Watershed District and they require their own kind of permit, but I'll let Julie Long speak to >> the rest. >> Um, chair, commissioners, um, yeah, there are a lot more comments regarding to the storm water system than you normally see. Um, but it is code compliant, but there are a lot of details that haven't been fleshed out and that's so that's why you're seeing those comments. Um, I lost my train of thought. I apologize. Can you repeat your question? I think in regards to um storm water management, seeing those comments, staff always have comments in the packet. that's part of our process. And for me, it just flagged that there were more storm water comments than normal. Um, and my understanding is that that is a part of the process post what is happening right now. That >> Thank you. >> They are showing us some of that, but that will be fleshed out in more of the architectural piece of this work. Yes, this uh step that the developer is at is an an entitlement step, but they still have to get approval for their actual building permits. And I have to sign off as the city engineer that all of the storm water works. And the current plan as submitted would not meet that requirement, which is why you're seeing a bunch of comments. But they un my understanding is that they understand what they need to do to develop fully compliant plans that we can approve, but they are not currently at that stage. Any other questions for staff? Uh seeing none. Thank you, Miss ODay. Um this is an opportunity for the applica applicant to speak if they wish to please step forward and state your case. >> Good evening, commissioners. Uh my name is Steve Ferlong. I'm the applicant. Uh thank you Planner ODay for the thorough presentation. Um, I have a few answers to questions that you presented and then a few comments. So, this is uh somewhat of a new proposal in the city of Bloomington. Uh, we haven't really had a subdivision like this where we're just creating lots. Typically, we're building a twin home or we're building something. And in this case, we want to present opportunities for future homeowners to build their own home. And the benefit to doing that is that we can make it more affordable that way because we take out profit margins, we take out carrying costs, we take out builder risk, and we provide flexibility for the future homeowners to build what they want instead of building spec housing. Um, so a few questions, commissioners, uh, Commissioner Coleman, converting to rentals. The goal here is home ownership. So, it would be ideal to not have these made into rental properties. And I believe that market economics are going to prevent that. It's fairly challenging to build new single family rental homes and have the math work out. But there isn't anything that would prevent um a purchaser to to build a a rental property here. But having rental properties in the city myself, I think that's a really uh difficult proposition um to acquire a lot, build a single family home and rent it and have that be economically feasible. So I think that's unlikely. Uh Commissioner Summers, of course, building plans need a permit. And so whatever the future homeowner wants to do, they have to go through building and inspections with their fully drafted plans and be code compliant to be able to uh create their home. So there are uh restrictions and requirements. Uh in addition to that, within the HOA documents, we can create any rules that we want, but of course, the more rules we create, the less marketable the lots become. So there's a there's a balance with that. Um, Commissioner White, the what would be built here, uh, the details. Um, code requires with a one-bedroom unit that the minimum square footage is 750 square ft. Uh, so that that would uh fit on this uh on these proposed lots on on several of them that only allow for a 40ft front and a 30-foot depth. So, there's a 12,200 square foot building pad here. And so if you have a 400 foot garage, a 20 by 20 garage, that's only an 800 square foot main level. And what I think Bloomington needs more of a single level living and I would anticipate that uh many of these could be utilized for that. And so that's a very modest home. I don't see any world where we build a 50- foot tall structure on any of these lots. I don't think that makes any sense. I don't think the market would decide that they want to do that. I don't think anybody would buy one of these to build that massive of a structure. However, if you did a full basement and a second story, you you could have uh 3,200 total finished square feet here as well. So, they wouldn't have to be modest. We would leave that choice up to the purchaser and what they what they want to create. Uh, Commissioner, let's see, Len, you had a question about what if only one home gets built. the developer myself is going to maintain control of the HOA until uh whatever number it is of these h are sold and something's um something's being built there. So uh so ultimately I would be responsible for making sure that the drive is maintained and the site is maintained until we turn over control of that HOA to the the uh end homeowners. Um, I think I think that I think all the questions. I'm happy to answer any questions. I've met some of the neighbors. I'm glad that you're all here this evening. I know change is a difficult thing. Um, my offer is I'm going to be around to answer questions. Happy to do that. Happy to have conversations. I I'd like this to be as collaborative as possible. And um I'm I'm a 25-y year resident of Bloomington myself and I'd like to see good things for our city. And I I know that we need housing badly and we need to find creative ways to do it. And this is uh in the spirit of city code. Uh the missing middle housing ordinance was created for a project like this. And uh and our our playbook is is essentially the comp plan. And so we're we're looking at that and trying to find ways to create more housing here and and home ownership opportunities. We've created a lot of rentals. We need home ownership, too. and this is uh this is one way of doing that. So, thank you very much. Happy to answer any questions. >> Great. Thank you. Uh any question for the applicant? Go ahead, Commissioner White. >> Thank you, Chair. I think there was just one of one question that I had that was left unanswered. Thank you so much for going through point by point um which is just around fencing. If you had any thoughts or idea of what the plan for fencing um between you and and your lots and the neighbors would be. >> Thank you, Commissioner White. I would expect that our neighbors here would like to see fencing and so um that would be up to each individual lot purchaser. So these are single family lots. This is not a town home development and it's up to each individual property owner and what they would like to do. So, I'm not going to create any restrictions within the HOA that says they have to build a fence in the back, but certainly uh willing to collaborate with the um the adjacent land owners and what they would like to see and have conversation around that. >> Any further questions? >> All right. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Alrighty. So, this is a public hearing which I will now open. Uh, just a refresher, this is a public comment period, uh, not a question and answer period, and I want to just set that expectation. We do welcome you to ask any questions as you testify. However, just know that we are not going to answer them right away. To make it more efficient, if you do want to ask any questions, you can direct them at me, the chair, um, and our planning commission, uh, is making a note of those. Um, after we close the public hearing, we will then choose to follow up on those questions or seek additional information. We are also able to call up the applicant again to as well. So, um, it's not that we didn't hear your question, but again, we may not answer until the public hearing has closed. Being that we do have a room full of folks here, we're going to institute the shot clock this evening over there. Um, which is Yeah. up on the wall. Um, >> doesn't zap you though, right? >> No, no. Three minutes. Uh, so folks will have up to three minutes to testify on this item. uh we kindly ask that you monitor that and be respectful of the clock this evening. Uh and you guys will also be able to have a second three minutes if needed. Um and so again, all comments and questions could be directed at me, the chair, and as a matter of procedure, we also kindly ask that public testimony does not reference any members of the public. We may have some disagreement in this room in the room this evening, which is absolutely okay, but we ask that you don't reference the party speaker um or anything of that nature. So that just keeps a more gentle attitude here in the commission chambers which we do appreciate. Lastly, there is a signup sheet at the deis after you're done testifying. If you could ensure you sign in uh for the minutes, that would also be much appreciated. And yeah, the public hearing is now open. And I invite anyone who would like to testify to step forward and sign in. >> Well, >> you're going to start. Um, so I've been in this community for 35 years. >> State your name. >> I'm just curious. >> So if you could state your name. Sorry. Excuse me, guys. If you could say your name in the beginning. And >> Joel Jensen. >> Thank you. >> Um, I guess this is towards the planners. Is this going to sit like an empty lot like it is on 86th and Penn who where houses were torn down and it's just a dirt lot? Is that's what is that going to happen with this two houses? Is that they just going to get torn down and it'll be an empty lot until someone decides to build? So, we are taking notes and we'll address that um as needed. My name is uh Brian Hansen and I live on James 2. And my question to you is uh a few years back when you replaced our road, you shortened our street the width by 10 feet. So if you park a car on each side of the street, only one car can get through. So when you start putting all these construction vehicles at the end of the block, how are we getting in and out of our properties? And then here's the other thing he was saying about the property. How long is it going to take to build these houses? And what if they build three at a time? You know that's going to do to our neighborhood? all the construction crews that are going to be there. I mean, you're asking the neighborhood to go through a lot. You know, if you're just doing two single homes, I think it'd be a lot easier. So, and then another thing, even though they have a garage and two parking spots, what if there's more people? What if somebody has a party? Then all the cars are down the street and everything. But I know it's going to be that way with construction workers when they come in because they already had that. So, but that's what I have to say. >> Thank you. if you got uh if you could ensure to sign in. Thank you. Thank you. >> Sorry, I'm slow. Slow and steady wins the race, right? [laughter] >> Hello there. I'm Kathy Jones and I have the pleasure of living at 9015 James Avenue, which I am the one property to the north of this proposed development. And I have a lot of concerns. I left Minneapolis cuz I didn't want to reach out my window and shake my neighbor's hand. And that's what I'm afraid I'm coming up against with a small city going into the property next to me. The other concern I have is I notice we only have two guest parking spots. If you put nine homes in that space, I got friends in Apple Valley. They have two spots per per building. Two is not going to be enough if you've got nine nine homes. and most of them are going to have a friend or someone or a child or a grandchild come and visit. So again, to reiterate what Brian said, the parking on James Avenue, they already narrowed it when you start lining up and down the street with people that live there because there's no more room to park in this small city. And that is what it's going to be like having nine buildings in that one space. So, I'm not against having a neighbor, but I don't know that that little land needs that much into it. And then the other thing I wanted to say is I like my little community. You know, that James Avenue feeds into a small area between Penn and James. There's just a few blocks. Not a lot of traffic goes that way. And I think what we're going to do by increasing all that traffic is going to be really sad for our quiet little neighborhood. So, I think that's all I have to say for now. I'll be respectful and say thank you very much, commission, all of you, for being here for us. And please consider what we have to put up with. Okay. Thank you. >> Sorry. Slow, steady. Oh, I got to sign the thing. No one reminded me. You remind all the other people, but you don't remind me. [laughter] Hi, my name is Lannne and I live on 9141 Newton and I've been living there for 48 years. Um, my concern is the traffic. I live on 92nd Street and it's a straight shot. So, coming off of Penn, they're going to have to take 91st and a half street. They come down and they go down 92nd. It's the T. So, all roads come into that. They go all the way down to James and then they go over. So, it's going to really create a lot more traffic in that area plus people's speed all the time down there because it's a straight shot. So, they're just zooming down and there's a lot of people from James that come out that way. So, I think it's going to create a lot. And the problem is there's a lot of kids that ride bikes there and they come out right into that street and there it's a big open opportunity for accidents for kids. I have a group home next to me that moved into in next to me. They have like seven or eight cars coming and going all the time. And there's a place down from me as well that is another group home. And it's renting. They're renting from people. So, I have real concern for renters keeping their their places up. And I think in our neighborhood, it's a lot more rentals happening. and our our community have is all said our homes there just seem to be going downhill from there. You know, it's just so I'm really concerned. And then the traffic going out on James, it's two lanes one way, two lanes the other and 35. It's constantly stopped, backed up at traffic at rush hour traffic trying to get on 35. So trying to get out there, it's it gets really hairy trying to get out there. So what they're going to do is come down, you know, 92nd and go out 91st and a half. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Hello, my name is Scott Theers and I uh live at 1601 West 90th Street in my backyard butts up to the property and um uh let's see, I've lived in Bloomington in that house for 47 years and I have beautiful backyard looking right at the trees and now I'll be looking at the back of five homes. Um I'm very concerned. Um I mean I love my backyard. I I every day now since this has happened, I just dread what's going to happen. Um, it's um I was born and raised in Bloomington. I've lived here all except for five years. And um and Kathy, she's going to have her she's going to have a wall of houses that are could be up to 50 foot tall, you said. And there's going to be 10 foot between those houses. It's going to be like it's it's just going to be bad. And then now when [clears throat] Steve said that the homeowners are going to be responsible for fencing, that seems like a cluster of could be a mix mash of every a fence here, no fence there. Um, that doesn't seem right. And what's going to happen with snow removal? I can't believe I mean at the the the Chik Temple when they have their pl their driveway plowed out they have piles of snow. I don't I can't believe and I have a lot of snow around my place but I have places to put it. There's no places to put snow how they've got this design and like they everyone else said two parking spots. That doesn't sound right. Um, I never imagined I'd have homes to look at in my backyard. That's why I bought the place so many years ago. I think I think you're you the city council is going to be ashamed of themselves when they realize what they voted in within the last year. I think it's really bad. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Right. We're going to have anybody that didn't speak yet go and then once that's done you could go back. >> Anybody else like to speak? >> Is anyone else coming up to talk? >> Because they won't let him go second until we're done going first. >> Sorry. >> Chatty Kathy's the nickname. Never stops. I'm sorry. [laughter] >> Hi, my name is Jan Miller. I live >> that bends down. Jan, just bend it a little. There you [laughter] go. I live right across the street from the >> possible de development right across from Kathy and we agree about the traffic. I really don't think that study represents what's going to happen to the street and the whole area. And many of these people that you've heard have lived in the area for a long time. And I think they deserve to be respected for staying and being in this area and keeping their homes in this area. You know, there's only like 18 homes along the street and they want to put in nine homes. That's like increasing the amount of homes and and that's on only one acre of land. There's 18 homes on the whole block from 90th to 92nd. And I I think it's going to change. I think the demographic of the area is going to be changed by adding that many homes. If they could maybe compromise and maybe four homes at most, um it would be really nice to have just two homes there, regular homes that fit the demographics of the area. But otherwise, if they could reduce the number of homes and make them into buildings that actually fit the demographics of the area. >> I guess that's it. >> Thank you. I wasn't going to say anything. Oh, first of all, Jim Rosac, 9125 Logan Avenue South. And I sure didn't plan on saying anything, but after listening to everybody, um, I've been in the neighborhood for 64 years. I'm 64 years old. Um, [cough] the reason is a lot of these people, my wife is the block captain. We work with the city a lot. We have a great neighborhood. We've always had a great neighborhood. Um, we want to keep it as a great neighborhood. And I think if you're going to put nine spots in two lots and you're going to do this right there in Bloomington, what's going to prevent me or anybody else from going to parts of Bloomington and I'll I can get you a couple lots, okay, and putting in and making money and going for the nine spots or whatever we're going to do. Um I just don't think it's setting the right precedence to to be honest with you. And there's only only ways out of there because I lived there when Logan Avenue went through. I went there when James went through the factories. Those have been blocked off. The only way out is James Morgan and 91st and a half. Okay. In and out. So when you talk about numbers, if you put nine more in and it's nine trips per single family dwelling, nine more is another 81. It's not another 18. Okay? It's it's a bigger difference than 66 to 85. Okay. And it's a neighborhood that people It is nice because there's not a lot of traffic and to change everything and bring in the traffic or that kind of facility. I just don't think it fits correctly. Um Bloomington is so stringent on the rules as far as even building a shed. I cannot believe you would really put a house. You have a house and then you'd put nine houses in between and then a house and a house and you got factories and you got a church. I just it doesn't really coincide with Bloomington. That's just my thought. And um [snorts] as far as the uh everybody that's here, I think the yards are very important. As you can see, Logan play lot is a great spot that you can go down to. That's where we have our neighborhood nights out and that's where you see the kids and everything. But yet, I mean, people want their backyards. People want the quietness. People want want the city. I mean, they're still pretty close to the freeway, but um overall, I think that that it's not a good it's not a good way to set the precedence for the city of Bloomington. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Hey guys, I'm kind of improving this. I didn't really come with a speech. Um, so hi, I'm Troy Jackson. I live kind of right on the corner of James Avenue, that brown house. Um, partner and I moved in there about a year and a half ago, so we're kind of the babies of the neighborhood still. Um so basically my whole thing I have a very sheer indifference towards the um whole building of it. Um what I do want to have or what I want to express is my importance is what my neighbors think. Um I think we should take their um opinions the ones who live right across the street from this development bordering this development. I think we should take that more into consideration. Um so I just kind of wanted to improv that whole thing there. But the main reason I actually want to come up is my more concerned about that corner. Like I said, I live on the corner and I see people taking that going like Mach seven all the time. They're taking it taking it fast [laughter] and I'm just out there, you know, trying to um if you see I have a lot of pollinator plants out there. So I'm out there a lot admiring the butterflies and I just see them zoom right past me and that's kind of my concern just you know the upkeep in that or the uptick in that traffic. So that's really my thing. Thanks. >> Yeah. Sign in. >> Thank you. Sorry. >> Hello. I am Donna Strifle. I've lived on 92nd Street for 52 years. And I am very wary of the traffic that will be coming by my house. It's on the long stretch there right at Morgan on the south side. And I do not believe that all these people living in these homes are just going to go out to James to 90th. going to have him going to Pin Avenue and that comes by my place. That is just too much for this little neighborhood. So, I'm very concerned. I don't think we need this. So, really take a good look at that. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Are you coming up? >> Then I'll wait. >> It's good for my legs to stand and sit and stand and sit. Ask my MS doctor. She'll tell you. >> I'm Bill Rodenbeck from 9140 Logan. Um, you know, I'm I I understand the need for more single uh family dwellings and stuff like that. I get that people want their houses. Yes, I'm against too many rentals. Uh, my my question or uh I guess my statement I I really agree with Jim Rosk as far as you guys are very very stringent on how many buildings can be on a single lot. I mean, I can only I I have a greenhouse and and one one uh storage shed, and that's the ultimate limit. You guys would you guys would come after me if I put anything up there. Um and the setbacks are all important. The fences the fence can only be so high. You guys are super stringent on this stuff. And all of a sudden, it seems like you're going to be okay with just stacking house after house after house, like nine lot. I mean, nine houses in one little area. That's way more than my shed and my greenhouse. I don't understand. Okay, standing up again. I just have a couple things. I'm Kathy Jones again. Chatty Kathy is the nickname. Um, I just I'm not understanding the difference between R1 and RS3. So would the nine homes on the one acre be acceptable if we remain RS1? Because my concern is when you switch it to RS3 that then expands the level and the height and all the differences in the homes that are going to go in there. And I know Mr. Furlong has a great plan in his head, but sometimes the bestlaid plans don't work. I've lived that for 45 years. the best laid plans don't always work. So, I'm concerned that by changing it to RS3 could have a more diverse effect on the neighborhood. I uh again, I don't understand the full difference between R1 and RS3, but I uh I'm concerned about that as well. And to Donna's point, I'm three houses off of 90th. I come and go from my neighborhood over on Penn. I drive down to 92nd and go over because I can't get out on James and 90th. There's so much traffic there from two o'clock until six o'clock every night. It's terrible. You can't get out. So, just have to add that. Should I put times two by my name [laughter] since that's my second round. >> Thank you for listening, [clears throat] by the way. I don't want to leave that out. >> Joel Jensen again. So, I don't um like other people have said, you know, how strict as far as sheds and everything else goes. I don't understand how you have houses across from each other in this little five block square area where you have community homes or >> [snorts] >> um I'm not exactly what you would call them, but there's like five to six people living in these houses across the street from each other and some type of community home. I don't know what goes on there, but there's five to six cars parked there at any time of the day. I mean, this is like a small area to have, you know, to be designated group homes. I'm sure the planners understand what I'm talking about. You know, that area. What type what uh specific type of housing is that to be so grouped together? Thank you. Um Scott there's um so for Kathy um Jones when she would go when she'll be in her house and she looks off to her left she's going to out the front door she's going to have a whole house in front of her to the street. I hope you guys understand that. So, normally when you look out your city lot, you can look down the street that way. You can look down the street the other way. So, Kathy and then the people on the other side, >> Naen. >> What? >> Naen. >> Yeah, Naen. They they'll be looking she'll be looking to the other side and she'll they'll have a house, right? I mean, because they can be what, 20 feet off the street. So, that's, you know, that's why I think, you know, we all think it's way too many homes, but I don't see anybody in favor of it here. Thank you. >> Thank you. I hate to get up one more time, but can I get up one more time? It'll be quick. Your turn. [laughter] Um, another thing I thought of is is with the group home next to me. Um, I had there 7:24. There's lots of cars coming and going. Seven staff in there coming and going. They consistently park in front of my house, not in front of their business. So, I've called the police, tried to work with them. It's public parking. So, with public parking, they can park anywhere. Same thing with these town homes. These people that live on that street, it's public parking. They can park anywhere. And a lot of people, they don't care, right? I mean, the k the people I've tried to work with them and they just don't care. And I think it's very unfair or it's something to be thinking of as um when we're thinking of where are these people going to park is because there's nothing the residents can do. So I'm very concerned about the parking in the neighborhood because of what I've had to deal with. And also I just feel like for 48 years, where is my rights as a citizen and as a Bloomington resident, where are my rights for my home that I bought in the community that I want that now is going to be changed in well maybe would be changed into town homes. It's a resident. I agree, you know, tuplex or whatever. I I'm for that. But nine is just I just think as as Bloomington citizens, I hope you'll consider our rights as well as when we bought the home. Thank you. >> I'd just like to add >> Oh, 9033. >> It's limited to two. Sorry. But >> 9033 has people living in it. It's a property that's well taken care of today. So, it's not like it's an empty lot yet, just so you know. And they're good neighbors. Sorry. My name My name's Lisa Jensen and I've lived there probably 32 33 years. This is going to be really close to where I live. We did lose 10 feet of our road on James Avenue. We did. The traffic is intense and the ways in and out of the neighborhood are limited. And I just hope you guys take that into consideration because nine more houses is going to impact that. When I come down my street, I have to occasionally pull over to let someone else go the other way. So take that into account, please. Thank you. >> Thank you. I'm not a very good speaker, but I I had to come in support of all these people. I don't live there. I have friends there. Um I happen to believe everything every one of these people are saying. Our community is changing. Bloomington is changing. We're looking for another place. I would like to get out of Bloomington because of what the changes are that are happening. You talk about looking to put in some town homes. That needs a big area and that's what we're looking for. There's nothing. There are town homes in Bloomington. There doesn't seem to be any patio homes, which is kind of what the older generation is looking for. But this place that you're talking about sounds like it's going to be a mishmash of whatever person wants to come in and what builder they want to choose and what they want to do with that lot. And then there's people that live in that area that can't even have a simple shed to store something that isn't there permanently, but they have to take it down. And then I've seen other places in the area where there's so much stuff in the yard and that's okay. So I feel sorry for these people. I really, really do. It happened in a neighborhood in Bloomington that I lived 30 years ago. I've been here for about 50. I grew up on a farm, thank goodness. But I came to the city because this is what I wanted. But they wanted to build a duplex in our neighborhood. And of course, one side of it would be rental. The whole neighborhood. Whole neighborhood. Names. We went around everywhere. It was done. We didn't have a chance. Didn't have a choice. Didn't have a voice. And that's what's happening in Bloomington. Like they said on Penn Avenue. That's all dug up. Nothing's there. How are you going to control this area from are you going to tell them how much money they have to spend on that house where one house could be 400, one could be 600, one could be 200? I doubt that in Bloomington, but you're having people give up their homes they've had for 50 years and you're putting a little group of homes in the middle of a neighborhood. I've been looking for town homes and patio homes. I'm done with Bloomington. I'm looking elsewhere, but at least that way it's controlled. There's many of them. They have to stay within uh they all have to look basically the same. They have a a you pay for the maintenance the uh what do you call HOA you know that area an area like that is what these things are made for not to be put in little areas and at the end of where I live they're going to knock down a school and they're going to put in a bunch of houses and they're ruining probably a playground there for kids. I'm just very very very disappointed in Bloomington. Sorry to say, but thank you for listening. >> Thank you. If you >> if you could state your name for the record, please. >> My name is Carlen Leader. >> Thank you. >> Is there anyone? Oh, >> little passion in this room. Just a little. >> And I don't even there. I'm sorry. It's okay. >> I was just going to add one more thing. I guess when when you're looking at neighborhoods and you're looking at and maybe, you know, I'm a little slighted that way, but uh because I bought my parents house, but there certainly hasn't been much turnover in our neighborhood. And there's a reason why. People have stayed there. And they've stayed there because it's quiet, because it's nice and I hate to see it change. And at the same time, if you look at the families that are there, many generations that I even went to Lincoln High School with, there's five or six of us that bought our parents' house. And it's because of the neighborhood. A lot of them have singlecar garages, one bathroom, but we stayed in Bloomington. So, I just wanted to say that's why that neighborhood has been so >> steady, >> steady, Eddie. So, thank you for your time. Uh, is there anyone else who would like to testify on the side? >> I would I would just have one more thing. >> [snorts] >> Are there >> are there any rules about, you know, um the R1 versus the R3 or different categories of zoning going back and forth like that right between in in one neighborhood on one street or anything? just it it just would seem like it you know if you're going to have zoning arrangements it would be by neighborhood not just back and forth lot to lot because otherwise uh I mean what I'm seeing is I don't know maybe Jim alluded to it also but uh then anyone else could open up sell their home if it it does set precedent now you could have zone one or R1 R3 R4 who knows how would the city stop that once they've made that allowance in one case. Thanks. Thank you. Again, I do want to also make a clarifying thing for my message as well. Um, like I said before, I kind of have a sheer indifference towards it. My household is pretty laid-back. You could park your car upside down on our side of the street and we wouldn't care as long as it's not in the yard or in the middle of the street. Um, but I also do want to emphasize that um, we should take at least like my voice in this matter and transfer to the people who do live directly adjacent or across the street from this facility um, or potential building complex. Um, I think their opinion should matter a little bit more than I guess mine in that sense just because I don't live directly across from them. So at least that's what I want to say about it. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Is there anyone online? All participants online are staff. >> So last call if there's anybody who would like to testify in chambers. >> All right. Seeing none, I will look for a motion to close a public hearing. >> I move to close the public hearing. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. >> That motion passes. 50. We will now move into discussion. >> Go ahead, Commissioner Len. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, I'm wondering if the planning commission staff or the planning staff could um talk a little bit um and remind all of us the interplay between the comprehensive plan and zoning regulations and kind of getting to that last question that was asked on R1 versus R3 being in the same neighborhood and adjacent to each other. >> You want me to take that one? >> Yeah. So, uh, Chair Eay, Commissioner Len, thank you for the question. So the comprehensive plan is effectively the city's policy document that is trying to establish what the pattern will be in the future. It's a a plan that looks out 20 years. Uh every comprehensive plan that a city develops creates a future land use map. And so what the future land use map is trying to guide is if the property were to change use, if it were re redevelop in the future, what would that use be in the future? So in this particular case, this whole neighborhood is guided uh medium density residential on the future land use map. There's a whole uh variety of reasons why a city would designate an area such as this one as medium versus low density versus industrial commercial. Other uses uh those reasons typically have to do with uh you know access to higher volume roadways to handle traffic or proximity to parks, proximity to transit, proximity to commercial or employment. There's a wide variety of reasons uh why these decisions are made in terms of where to guide uh land. Um uh so that's the first piece. Uh the the way that it interplays with the zoning district is the zoning district are the rules that are on the ground now. And the zoning does not always match what the future land use designation is for a site. Some cities choose to proactively reszone property when they update their comprehensive plan. Some cities choose not to and instead uh do so as the property redevelops. So that's what the case is here in this instance is that the the property owner is act actively seeking to reszone the property in a way that's in alignment with the future land use plan uh of the city. So as planner OD mentioned this area has been guided medium density um since 1981. Um uh it's been that uh every cycle in between now and then. Uh to the gentleman's question around how R3 interplays with R1. So every zoning district that a city creates is has different rules, different setbacks, different intensities, different land uses that are allowed. They're very much intended uh to think about land use compatibility, right? And so R1 is the primary single family residential zoning district that uh we have in Bloomington. R3 was specifically designed to allow a little bit higher density and a little bit more variety of the land uses but in a way that is compatible with other lower density residential uh land uses. Um some folks might be familiar with the concept of spot zoning. Spot zoning is when you are uh designating a land a zoning district that is not compatible and kind of on an island by itself uh adjacent to other uses. So the classic understanding of that would be uh say that they were trying to zone in the middle of an R1 or lowdensity residential area and industrial uh zoning district to do an industrial use. That would be more a situation of what's more commonly understood of spot zoning. Um but in terms of the Bloomington zoning code, R3 was specifically designed or intended uh to be uh a tool uh to create more variety of uh these housing types in a way that is compatible with lower density residential uh development. Um it is a newer zoning district. Previously when the city developed a lot of town homes in the 60s, 70s, 80s, they did so through the tool of planned developments. So you see a lot of sites in Bloomington that are R1 PD. Those are planned developments. and effectively they were sightby-sight approvals that were granted by the city council uh during that time without changing the base zoning district. So, I don't know if I struck the right uh depth there, but I probably went a little bit into the weeds, but um yeah, >> thank you. That answers my question. >> Any further questions? We did have quite a few questions. uh that the public had. So if or go ahead, Commissioner Coleman. So, in the staff report, it says that um that these place these uh detached town homes are like they're pencled in for having a twocar garage plus two parking spots in front of the garage plus the two shared parking spots for guests that wouldn't fit on the you know the twocar spots in front of the garage. Um if but we don't have specific plans uh since the the code only technically requires a onecar garage plus one uh spot on the driveway. Hypothetically if they had if they changed that in the building plan stage. Could that happen or because that's what the code requires. >> Chair Commissioner Coleman that's correct. So they could theoretically do a one-stall garage with the one stall driveway leading up to that garage. [snorts] >> Yeah. Go ahead, Commissioner Len. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, if we could, um, and this might be a question for Julie. um talk a little bit about this so that we can get a better understanding up here of when the road was narrowed um and then how that compares to other streets in Bloomington of the same traffic volume. [snorts] Chair Commissioner Len. Um, in 2018, as part of the pavement management program, we worked on James Avenue and we reconstructed it to a 32- foot width, which is the city standard, which changed from the previous city standard of 36 feet wide in 2003. So, for about 20 years, we've been building 32 foot wide. But previous to that, the standard was 36 foot wide. Um the 32 foot wide street allows parking on both sides. You would do, as one of the testifiers say stated, if there's parking, you do have to like pause and let someone go through. Um that's intentional. We're trying to get um the traffic speeds in our neighborhoods to be a little lower. So we we feel a few seconds of delay is not unreasonable. Any further questions? Commissioner White. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, so I'm I'm admittedly less familiar with um developments where each individual lot would be purchased and then a home would be built. I'm I'm familiar with that when you're talking about single family, you know, um bigger, larger developments. I'm not as familiar with how that works with town homes. So, I wonder if you could just talk a little bit about um answer the questions about um what happens if all nine homes have different builders and are built on different schedules and is that possible that you could have one home built by one builder and then two years later a third home built by someone else just sort of being in that constant state of of construction for a little while. Is that is that a possibility if um under this model? >> Yeah, Chair, Commissioner White, um it could be a possibility. Um the uh the scale or the pace at which construction happens in a project like this is really according to the market dynamics and uh the developers execution of their plan. Um the type of subi subdivisions, excuse me, you're talking about the LAR of the world, the Mi Homes, the very large builders. uh obviously they have a very uh well-laidout uh process by which they have lots of customers that they are feeding through uh a wellestablished uh process. As I said, when you're talking about custom uh homes and custom builders, um typically that process goes a little bit slower, but that's not to say that will be the case here. It really is according to the market dynamics. And um this question a little bit veers into the arena of maybe more appropriate for the applicant to speak because they're the ones who ultimately will be responsible. The things that the city is responsible for is that we have rules for example around the hours of construction. That's in city code. You can't start construction before uh 7 a.m. Uh you can't uh be doing construction activity after 10 p.m. Um and that's not typically how most builders operate. They don't they don't have staff out there. But that's that those are the hours of construction um uh just according to the city code in terms of noise, right? That's why they manage it. There is some questions about um uh about uh construction uh equipment being parked on the street. Typically for development projects, you can't park uh you know large machines and things on city streets. You have to have it parked on the site. And I I would defer to um planner o day to confirm whether or not that was one of the conditions of approval of the in the staff recommendation. I believe that's the case as is typically the case. But um just to provide that feedback there. Um yeah, I do have a couple other staff uh feedback on some of the questions I heard. Uh if you want me to go through that, but um that's I'll defer to what you're uh what you want and what you need. >> Yeah, go ahead. And then we also have the applicant potentially also uh if there's any >> if you have a specific question for them I think that's appropriate. >> Okay, go ahead. >> Um yeah, so thank you uh chair you say again. Um and I I you know I invite uh city engineer Julie Long to supplement whatever I'm going to share here, but being on planning staff, we're just exposed to a lot of uh elements of development and one of those core elements of development is traffic. So I I certainly uh understand the concerns around traffic associated with the project. Um, sounds like there's some concerns around 90th Street in particular, some of the turning movements out of James, um, with some of the volumes on 90th particularly during the peak hour. Um, just to give people some context, and this is not in any way to be, uh, dismissive, it's just that we deal with very large scale development sometimes. And so, when we see trip generation in the arena or in the area of around a net increase of 60some trips, that's very low uh, for a lot of the development we see. um recognizing that this is a local road. I do um but when we see that type of trip generation, typically you get peak hour volumes and what that is is when people are going to work and when they're coming home from work. Obviously remote work has changed a lot of the peak hour activity on some of our roads. Um uh but typically what that means then is you see six, seven, eight peak hour uh trips when you have those kinds of volumes. So what can seem like a lot of traffic um uh just in the raw number if you actually disperse that throughout the course of a day um that amount is quite low by comparison for a lot of the development we see. It's not to be dismissive of it. It's just reacting from a technical professional uh standpoint. Um and if I said anything wrong, uh Julie can correct me on that. She's shaking her head, I believe. Um with respect to parking, um a lot of the concerns we get around development have to do with parking and parking is one of those policies where uh if you go in any extreme in one direction or other, it can have negative consequences on both sides. So, we often talk about Black Friday parking is like you don't want cities or places to require uh um shopping malls, for example, to build their parking for Black Friday because that's a whole lot of asphalt that would go underutilized and be bad for storm water management, be bad for uh heat. Uh more pavement uh than is necessary drives more heat uh uh in an area. Um so, uh I definitely respect uh concerns around uh parking. We've been working at trying to sharpen what our parking requirement should be for these types of uses. Ultimately, through that policy, which you did see, we landed on uh one quarter parking stall for guests per lot. Um if a lot of the homes have four parking spaces per unit, you know, that's a a pretty good supply for a home like this that should be able to handle most situations. Now, that being said, someone is going to have a party and that happens at single family homes all the times as well. And so that overflow parking typically goes on the street. Um so yeah, I think traffic and parking were the two main ones that I wanted to at least just provide a planning perspective on. Um again, I I know that some of that information uh um there's always localized conditions that u might, you know, provide wrinkles to that, but um that's at least just from a high level planning perspective. >> Commissioner White. >> Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Um, so just a question. Could you go back to the map of the lots real quick? Um, I'm just curious, you know, I I'm empathetic in that I also have an oddsiz lot um that I live on. Um, but I'm curious looking at this at how the size of these lots compares to the size of a single family lot nearby. I mean, I know there's quite a variety in the neighborhood, but I'm [snorts] I think just for my own spatial awareness, I'm trying to figure out they they kind of look like double lots to me in a way. I know that's a official term and I'm not trying to use it officially, but so could you just talk a little bit about how the size of these two lots compares to the average size of the some the lots around them in >> uh chair commissioner. So these the subject properties um are 300 ft deep. So it's pretty um long for um most single family homes. Um the a the minimum lot size for R1 is 70 >> 800 >> 7800 square ft. Um I'm blanking on what these individual lot sizes um are in total. Um but in with the two of them together I believe it's it's right around an acre. So um 42,000 square feet. >> Yeah. Chair, I would just Commissioner White, I would just add, you know, a typical Bloomington lot typically is around a quarter acre [clears throat] in size. It was very common to build an 11,000ish square foot lot in Bloomington, which is around a quarter acre um pretty typical size. So, um these lots are uh significantly or do have significant depth by Bloomington standards. Now, that being said, Bloomington has a very eclectic and wide uh diversity amongst its lots all over town. And not just, you know, people always just assume that's on the west side. Um, but it's west, central, east, north, south. There are a lot of, uh, unique lots and configurations and sizes all over town. So, um, but the bet, to planner OD's comment, yes, the the current minimum lot size for an R1 single family lot is 60 ft in width for an interior lot and, um, uh, 7,800 square ft in size. >> Commissioner Coleman. [snorts] And uh on this map uh from what I understand, the area that is guided for medium density is 9045 and 9042 northwards, right? Um which is all the spot that has like the Yeah. Oh, it doesn't zoom in very well, but I think you can kind of see on the 2008. Um so it's specifically these like double depth lots that were designed as Yep. that were that would have been planned and reiterated through >> comp plan revisions that these are the ones that could be medium density in the future, right? >> And it's not just like it's not the whole neighborhood, right? Um in R3 the comp plan does not say is a is a recommended uh zoning district for uh low density, although I mean it does there is some language in there that could suggest it, you know, that kind of stuff. But um it's specifically like it do you think that uh is it specifically because they were so deep? Is that cuz it seems like the other one that we talked about recently that was also like a double depth and it's really only those two spaces in Bloomington that have this unique little uh guide plan designation. >> Yeah, Cherry, you say Commissioner Coleman. So that would be one of the things that uh the city would think about when contemplating of whether to reguide a site away from its existing use is what is the development potential of a site in addition to those other things that I mentioned again access to higher volume roadways, proximity to parks, other amenities that can serve or can uh help support a slightly higher density. Um, uh, again, not being here during the 1981 comprehensive [snorts] plan, I can't speak to all of the, um, kind of factors that informed the city's decision at that time. What I can say just from a general, uh, planning practice is that you would look at, uh, how sites can be assembled to create redevelopment opportunities when you're thinking about these decisions. Um, and, you know, there's no timeline associated with that. when the cities uh this is getting into the weeds a little bit more but um effectively under the regional guide plan with the mech council you have to plan for a certain amount of growth for your community every cycle right so it's how do you deploy different land uses to accommodate that growth the reason that cities are leaning more into medium density uh residential land guidance is that that effectively is a housing type that has kind of been left behind um uh in terms of its development over the last many years except or developing suburbs out in the further stretches of the metro effectively. Um, and the second reason being is that those housing types can provide more variety uh and maintenance-free options um uh to expand uh the variety of a community's housing stock. So, um, yeah, I do think that, uh, the arrangement of the lots. I think that probably the most significant factor here is the location, just proximity to 35W and, uh, 90th Street, uh, in this case. Um, uh, but I do think that the lot configuration could have been a factor um, in terms of its guidance of MDR. >> Thank you. Uh, >> I have an unrelated thing. >> Go ahead. Okay. Um, so something that I'm kind of hung up on is the fact that these sites will be like sold as an opportunity for custom building because it's a it's a pretty thin slice. Like the the road that will be constructed for the development before any of the actual home construction happens is only 22 ft wide. And if you're building all nine at the same time, it's pretty easy. Just just, you know, give your bulldozer over the lot that will be built in, you know, next. But if there's potentially nine different companies doing that, right? Like nine different developers building one house, it seems much more likely that you're going to have to do it in series instead of in parallel. I guess maybe that's a that's a question for the developer of how um how much different that would be than a a normal 9-unit detached town home development if there is one >> and actually that's the exact question or kind of question that I had where if like hypothetically these nine uh builders built like in the span of like five 10 years apart and how that would be for if there's any like contingency or any plan as the land owner or the HOA I think uh entity how uh to kind of mitigate any um scenarios where you know it's construction for the next 10 years for for neighbors. So uh that's a question I have for the applicant. >> Are you calling them up? >> Just be more direct. Oh yeah, if there's anybody else, but yeah, that if you could please come up uh and answer some of the questions and specifically that question as well. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh Commissioner Coleman, Commissioner Eye, um in the South Metro, I'm not aware of a single family lot for sale for under $200,000. And our objective here is to reach as low of a price point as possible. Um, modeling our proforma, I think we'll be able to achieve a price point under 150,000. >> And so, is that high or low? Is this price is right? Low. >> Just a lot. So >> I think what that means is that um the the end price point normally a lot is 20% roughly of an end value and so the end price point of these homes might be 600 but I think you could do that I think you do it for less potentially depends on what you want to build. My point is that I don't I don't suspect that these lots are going to be available in a year. uh we might be able to sell all of them right away. And so you could have a situation where there are nine different builders operating in here at one time. And if you've driven through uh subdivisions that are under construction, so if we go out to Lakeville or Chaza or Prior Lake and you observe the operations there, these builders know what they're doing. They know how to stay out of each other's way, >> but they have the room to do it out there. >> No. if if if uh the public hearing is not close if the applicant is going to speak. >> So, I'm going to leave that up to professional home builders. That's who would be constructing these homes most likely. And so, they're going to coordinate that with each other. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> Do you have any further questions for the applicant or Chair, you say if if I may. Uh, thank you again. So, I just forgot one of the things on my list that I wanted to um make sure was crystal clear and super clear just for the public was that there was some discussion. I know it's a little bit confusing of this use type in our zoning code being called detached town homes. But there's been some uh folks mention the name patio lot or plaza lot. Those in effect are uh the same thing is from a zoning perspective. These aren't attached products. So, I just wanted to make that super clear, too, is that I I felt like that was maybe conflated or confused at one point. So, I just wanted to make that statement just that people are clear on kind of what's uh what the use type is. >> Yeah, the terminology in planning is very verbose, but like I Googled patio home and it sounds like it's almost exactly describing what this is, but yeah. >> All righty. Any other thoughts? Go ahead, Commissioner Summers. I'm going through my notes here and one I have is about snow removal. With this being an HOA, how does how will this impact snow removal in the neighborhood? Uh, Chair, Commissioner Summers, I'll defer to the applicant to determine how snow will be managed, but certainly that's why we have um green space requirements and open space requirements is to allow space for um snow to be piled. Um, so I could theoretically see um kind of this southwest or southeast, excuse me, corner um being utilized for snow. >> Yeah. And if I may add to that too, Chair, you say Commissioner Summers is just that um the streets would have to be plowed by a private contractor. It wouldn't be city crews uh doing snow removal here. Um snow would certainly get probably pushed in some front yards uh as well, not you know um in addition to that area that Liz identified, but we do have lots of sites in Bloomington where in heavy uh snow volume years they do have to truck some snow off. Um so that does occur um uh and is not uncommon but it would be a private contract. It wouldn't be city uh city would not be responsible for plowing of this development. >> Commissioner White. >> Thank you chair. Just a follow-up question for that. But there would there would be no they wouldn't be allowed to push it out onto the city street. Um they wouldn't be they would have to maintain all of the snow either truck it off or maintain snow on the property. not push it out into neighbors yards or into the street or anything like that. >> Yeah, Chair, you say Commissioner White, that's correct. Uh by policy doesn't mean that home residents all over city do push snow sometimes. >> Um do push snow sometimes into the city streets and when that occurs, public works works with them, tries to get it addressed, handled sometimes through private contractors. Um uh so it does happen, but our public works team is very adept at uh addressing it and dealing with it. They do snow very well in Bloomington. >> Any other thoughts? If not, uh Oh, go ahead, Commissioner Len. >> Uh, thank you. I was just going to say as we move into discussion, I want to make sure that I understand kind of what we're what our options are here. So our option is basically to say we agree that this should be reszoned and platted as these separate lots but it is not our responsibility or I shouldn't say not our responsibility but we're what we're voting on is not is this a good business model. It's whether or not we think there should be these lots should be subdivided and reszoned. Correct. >> Yeah. Chair Commissioner Len that's correct. the factors that you use to make a decision on the three entitlements before you is the city's establish and existing land use policies and zoning codes. Um uh you know the financials of a project. Sometimes the if the developer were seeking a public subsidy for example for the project or a tiff district or something like that. Those decisions would typically go to the port authority or city council. Um but the planning comm that's not the case in this uh project. Um but you're correct. The the criteria by which you're evaluating the request before you is the comprehensive plan, the zoning code, um other adopted land use uh policies of the city. >> Thank you. I think Kevin >> Oh, Kevin Tusky wanted to >> Yes, go ahead. Kevin Tuski, assistant attorney. >> And thanks, chair and commission. So, yeah, just to kind of recap, you've had three decisions. There's a reasonzoning, that's a legislative act. So, um, Miss ODay went through kind of what you consider there. Um, consider the comp plan and a few other things. The other two are called quasi judicials. So, you take the factors that are in city code and you have to apply the facts, the development and what you heard tonight against those factors and make a decision to either recommend or not recommend approval to the city council. So, legislative, there's a little bit more discretion um on those uh decisions. quasi judicial, you're limited by the factors that you have to consider in the in the city code. So, and just to kind of say it's not um whether whether this is the ideal project or the project you like is kind of not material. It's the project that was submitted that you're evaluating. So, just to kind of set that out there, but those are the three decisions tonight and kind of the the scope of review that you need to do. So, if you have any other questions, let me know. >> Thank you. Uh are there any other thoughts? If not or questions? >> Yeah, questions. Uh if not, I would entertain a motion. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Sorry guys. Uh discussion on to discussion now. So any >> I actually did have one last question if you don't mind chair. >> Go ahead. >> Um in the comp plan it says that you can have 12 units per acre in low density, 15 units per acre in uh medium density. What is the maximum for detached town homes in R1? Is it eight? Is that why there's a reasonzoning? uh Chair, Commissioner Coleman, uh the primary reason that the developer was seeking the resoning has to do with uh the uh setbacks. And so from a design perspective, it was more desirable. And I mean, I I don't want to speak for the applicant, but just from being in conversations of the different uh pathways they could have sought uh with this project, they preferred R3 based on those uh setback requirements. And um their their reasoning for such was again tied to the medium density residential guidance of the property. >> Um you can have a detached town home project up to uh 12 units per acre in R1. However, there are open space requirements and minimum lot area requirements that might make that difficult uh to achieve that level of density in uh R1. Um uh so yeah, and with the setback requirements being what they are in R1, uh detached town homes have to meet the same setbacks as a single family home would be, which is 30 ft as opposed to 20. >> So hypothetically, you could build nine units per acre detached town homes in R1. It's just that like in this specific instance, the the lot is a little too narrow. Maybe it's like a five or 10 ft uh issue. Um cuz like there was talk about the density, but you could build a 9 unit per acre uh detached town home in R1 right now, just not on this site specifically is what I'm understanding. >> Chair, Commissioner Coleman, I believe that's correct. Yes. >> Okay. Y >> thank you. >> Thank you. Any other discussion? Okay, I'm happy to kick it off. Um, so first off, I want to thank everyone in from the community for coming out to um make their voices heard tonight. Um, I know this is an incredibly personal situation. I think um what I continue to go back to is the fact that the neighborhood has been zoned or this this property has been zoned or not zoned guided uh medium density residential uh going back almost or more than 40 years at this point and that the city has been very clear in their plan to hopefully get this to more dense housing down the road. Um, and so while I do feel like there are some concern, valid concerns about the specific project, I do think that what is in front of us today, I am supportive of. I would like to see um the city find a way to be able to move forward on that guided comprehensive plan um quicker than we have been. So I think I am inclined to support the motion at this point. over to others. >> Thank you. Any other thoughts? Go ahead, Commissioner Coleman. >> Um, I have a fairly similar uh perspective, Chair. um that the city of Bloomington has created an expectation that there would be, you know, even if it was like 20 years at this point where if we're going to try to push towards 20 years from now in 1982 and now we're in 2026, you could see that as being, you know, behind schedule, but I don't think so. The the main thing is that like the the people who own these uh lots, they have the option because the city has made this decision and reaffirmed it over and over that this could be medium density in the future that the the developer owns the land and they have they have the right to come and ask us whether it can be R3 now. And I think that even though like uh I'm very skeptical that it's going to be uh a you know a perfect dance of contractors, it's a very tight site to have nine different ones at the maybe at the same time or in series. I it it feels a little weird to just say, "Oh, the contractors will figure it out amongst themselves." Um if you're the owner of the whole, you know, acre. It seems like it might be your responsibility to make sure that at least you facilitate that it will go fine if not obviously we can't ask for perfect in life but um it seems like [clears throat] it but that's not one of the things that's in front of us. It is in effectively it is R1 versus R3 and the comprehensive plan says that R3 is a more appropriate use for a medium density site than R1. Thank you. Any other thoughts? Commissioner White. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, I would echo Commissioner Len's thanks to everybody for coming out tonight. I know that um how difficult it can be to get up in front of a crowd and speak your mind even when it's a crowd of your your neighbors. And I I don't know about others, but I'm a little envious of how friendly and supportive you are of each other in your neighborhood. And I think that is a a wonderful gift. Um, I also have gone back and forth about this a lot as I've been listening to the various testimony and looking at the requirements and and uh um while I do support the reasonzoning, I'm not sure that I'm as supportive about the final site and building plans um piece of it because I do have some concerns about this construction dance that will need to happen about the um you know about the the you know mishmash of ownership and fencing and styles and things like that which while I love a little architectural difference and and appreciate it when it's not cookie cutter I do think there are some strong advantages to um things being somewhat cohesive especially when you're building them from scratch so um I think That's that's where I'm struggling is that while I understand that we are not here to legislate the specifics of a particular proposal but judge it based on what's in front of us. Um I'm I'm just that's that's the thing I'm wrestling with right now as we start to move into voting. So, I don't know perhaps uh if um attorney Tuski, City Attorney Tasks could just review one more time the legislative judicial authority split um for me. I would appreciate that if we have time for just a moment to have him revisit that. >> Uh yeah, chair and commissioners. Um so, like I said, you had you have a reasonzoning that's a legislative act. So your discretion is pretty high in the legislative um decision making. So I think Miss Ode covered it pretty well. You considered the comp plan guidance because every every decision or every land use uh resoning decision has to be in in step with the comprehensive plan. Um she mentioned that you know typically we look at whether there's a public benefit or not. um pretty pretty wide discretion I guess in in legislative um decisions but there's not any specific findings or anything you have to compare it to either in state law or city code judicial decisions are different so the second decision is a final site and building plan approval you have there's four findings I believe I'm just looking at it right here four findings have to be made all of them in order to approve a final site and building plan. And then with a preliminary plat, you have a type three preliminary and final plaid. That's the other entitlement. There's findings that have to be made for that as well. I believe there's eight for a preliminary plat and then one additional one for a final plat. So those are kind of what you have to compare the facts and the whole record of what you have against and then make a decision. So hope that hopefully that explains it. >> Thank you. [laughter] >> Thank Yeah. Commissioner uh sorry, planning manager Johnson. >> Yeah, thank you, Chair Eay and Commissioner White and fellow commissioners and um uh planning staff has been uh discussing and thinking a little bit about some of the testimony as well and some of your discussion around concerns around the sequencing around construction. Uh the city typically reserves uh a condition of approval for a construction management plan to much larger scale uh development than kind of what is before you uh this evening. uh might have complex access issues or uh be on county roads that need to be uh sequenced and um just have or driving piles or might just have complex elements of construction. So while the scale uh of this project is smaller than a lot of the projects we typically would attach that or recommend that condition to if this if this is an issue that's a particular point of emphasis or concern on the part of the planning commission you certainly would be within your right to recommend a construction management plan as a additional condition of approval. Um it certainly would be within the u essential nexus. Uh it would meet the essential nexus test. And so um you know what would that mean? That could mean hours of construction. It could mean hall route. It could mean staging of equipment. It could be identifying how the sequence of lots um can be under construction in terms of uh at the same uh simultaneous time. So any like anything you can put in the record if this is something that is of interest to you, anything details that you want explored in such a condition, that's helpful for us to receive that because it also puts the developer on notice in terms of the types of elements the city would like to see in such a a condition and a document. And then if it's a condition of approval attached to the land entitlements, that gives us the right to enforce that above and beyond the elements of the state building code. Uh if that makes sense. Thank you. Um, just to add my two cents, I kind of agree with Commissioner White. I'm also kind of on the fence, especially, no pun intended, especially on that last um, item. And so, yeah, I just wanted to throw that out there. I think Commissioner Coleman's Coleman. >> Yeah, thank you, Chair. Um the so the construction management plan, if we were to recommend the city council require one, um when like what would be the timeline of when they would have to iron that out with uh the permitting people before construction starts? >> Correct. Uh Chair, Commissioner Coleman, uh they would need to get an a plan approved by whatever entities you list. Typically, it would be the planning manager, building official, and city engineer prior to the issuance of any building permits for the the physical improvements of the site. So, that could include grading, could you include utilities, it could include the private drive. Um, so that would have to be approved typically prior to any permit going out for sight disturbing activity on a property. >> [gasps] >> I'm thinking of um having a of there being a construction management plan that one of the things I'm thinking of is the staging of materials and uh equipment uh during the construction. Um especially if right like if the first unit that gets built is the one that's right on the street and then all of a sudden you have like only like twothirds of the site that you could actually move equipment into the other uh units to um it it seems like it would be a very strenuous dance to try to figure that out. And like potentially you would have one contractor's vehicles moving over land that is owned by someone who bought a lot for their own home. And I I don't know if if sequencing [snorts] I'm not a professional on on construction. So it feels like that would be the main worry of if there's a potential for um these [clears throat] contractors to just have the urge to just put the equipment or the their stuff on the street, right? Like just making sure that there is some way to figure out that like whether it be you're building the further ones first and then you're building the the newer ones. But also the issue is that now you're doing two different things of some people wanted to be quick and some people wanted to be more uh more organized. Not the professional. It's tough. I Yeah. >> Thank you, Commissioner [snorts] Summers. >> Thank you, Chair. I think a question for me on the construction management plan is um when I think about the finding made about how this impacts the neighborhood um there's with this um final site and building plan. It is really complex for me to trust a plan that has not yet been made and be put my name behind saying I approve that. But with a construction and management plan, if there were impacts to the neighborhood as construction is happening for these properties, would that mean that the city would play a part in conversations? It would be less um neighbors going to neighbors. I guess I wonder if um how it works if something is going ary. >> Yeah. Um Chair, Commissioner Summers, if I'm if I may, Chair, uh Commissioner Summers, uh effectively what it does, so anything that is subject to a building permit is already the business of the city. the city's building official manages all construction in the city. So that's like things I mentioned, work hours or uh not having erosion go in the street or making sure that uh equipment is being deployed in a safe way. Um making sure that what is being built actually matches the approved plan. Those are all the elements that the building and inspection staff uh provide us. But what a construction management plan does is it helps the city and the contractors and the developer be very clear on the upfront side of things what the expectations are and can dive into details that are not in the building code. So, you know, Commissioner Coleman, you mentioned lot sequencing or uh in terms of maintaining open access, these are things that can be uh elevated in the plan. Now, I don't think you'd want to make it so prescriptive to kind of box it in in such a way that would uh um uh cause the project to not move forward or succeed. But you can be thoughtful about uh the elements of it. And I think that that you know, frankly, is part of the the back and forth between the city and and an applicant in this particular case. Um, so, uh, I don't know if I fully addressed every element of your question, but, um, having a condition of approval on the land entitlement gives us more tools of enforcement and civil enforcement, and that's the area that, uh, you know, attorney Tusky lives in. It's just that when we have clear violations not only of the the building code, but it's actually a condition of approval on the ent zoning entitlements, it's a very clear and much easier path forward for the city to do enforcement um in those cases because it brings in more elements and more uh authority from different areas outside of the building code. That makes sense. >> Thank you, Commissioner White. >> Thank you, Chair. Um I absolutely think that a construction management plan would be recommended in this particular case. I think in terms of the impacts of the construction, I think the impacts of the, you know, coordinating amongst different builders, um connecting with different systems, you know, connecting with the road, all of those things are of concern. And I think the the um you know with the setbacks being a little bit different with town homes, you know, I think being aware of the um the impact of building placement on the lots in relation to the neighbors houses and yards and and um whatever existing fencing is there. Those are all things that that are important to me um as we think about a construction management plan. and it would be difficult for me to support the project without that. And that's not not to say that I don't believe that the the developer, the owner, I believe you're operating in good faith and I believe that you want to do the right thing for the neighborhood. Um, but I do think that it's just again nine homes in a small space with nine different potential builders at nine different times is a lot for any neighbor to put up with. Um, I do also just want one side note. I'm not sure that although I I understand that this would be a um a lower lot price than a typical single family home lot, I'm not sure that a $600,000 one-bedroom town home would should ever be considered affordable um or have that term applied to it. So, I just I hope that there will be some consideration in um uh how how these are are framed. Um so, >> yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with your statements, Commissioner White. Um and it's kind of what I was asking earlier, the uh applicant there. And so, if the city has that a construction plan to hold the developer accountable, um that would be nice. I I have a quick question in regards to the motions on the uh hypothetically if the first two pass but the last motion doesn't would that make the project not move forward >> or would that how would that work? >> Yeah, chair and Kevin if you want to weigh in as well that's uh okay. Um but uh the you're correct that it's appropriate sequence so the reason zoning decision is the most important decision. um uh in terms of the order um because that's what establishes the rules on the ground that the final site and building plans and the plaid are being approved against. Um so if you were to approve the first motion um the second two motion are subject to those findings of fact as uh attorney Tasky outlined um staff has reviewed the plans. We do believe them to be code complying. So you would have to make a finding uh and we can bring the findings up if need be. Um, we do have that as extra slides. Um, uh, but you would need to effectively make a finding that, uh, or determine that one of the findings was not being met and just kind of articulate that for the public record and then we can transmit that onto the recommendation to the city council. Does that address your question adequately? >> Yes, it does. If we could pull up the findings yet, just so >> And specific to the plat is the one that you're >> Yeah, the final. Yeah, the final one. the plat >> the the final one on the list which was the plat I believe >> the final motion. Yeah. >> So here are the eight findings for the preliminary plat and then here's the single finding for the final plat. Let me know which one you >> back to the preliminary >> previous. Yeah. >> Thank you. Uh if I may chair. >> Yeah, go ahead. Um looking at these findings um as long as we have the construction management plan as attached to the final site and building plans uh I don't see any reason why I mean number seven is always very wishy-washy but uh in general that these these findings for the preliminary plat uh I think that I agree with uh staff's recommendation on all of them. So, thank you. Any thoughts? Commissioner Summers. >> Thank you, Chair. I think um thank you Mr. Taski for the clarifications on the role of the planning commission because I think that that was really helpful clarification and staff's additional notes on the construction management plan. I think with the land use zoning codes and the findings included in the packet um and the addition of a construction management plan that I could be supportive of um the motions in front of the planning commission. >> Commissioner White. >> Thank you, Chair. Um could staff just advise us on how we ensure that the construction management plan recommendation goes forward? Um >> yeah, Chair, Commissioner White, so specifically it'd be the final site and building plans is the one that you would want to attach it to because that's um effectively what uh this development approval, this site plan um uh the conditions are being attached to that. There are some specific conditions attached to platting, but it's specific to the second motion before you on the screen is that you would want to um um [clears throat] uh if you were to recommend approval, you'd be recommending approval with the addition of additional condition around requirement of a construction management plan prior to permit. Um we can utilize some of the discussion. I I had planned to ask, but um I didn't want to intervene in the organic discussion that was happening there. Uh but the things I've written down so far um for uh what this document could potentially include would be a sequence or the location of homes under construction. It could be the number of homes under construction at one time. Or conversely, it could be the number of uh builders uh operating at one time. Um, I could envision a scenario where if the same builder was constructing three homes at the same time, that that's uh less detrimental than the scenario you uh outlined of nine different uh general contractors. So, um these are the things I wrote down, but just to answer your question more directly, the the motion that you would attach it to would be the final site and building plans motion. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh any other thoughts? If not, I would entertain a motion. >> Um, in case PL 2026126, I move to recommend the city council adopt an ordinance reszoning 902 9025 and 9033 James Avenue from R1 single family residential to R3 m middle housing residential. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Uh, there is a motion and a seconding recommending approval. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> That motion passes 5-0. waste of time. In case PL 2026126, having been able to make the required findings, I move to recommend the city council approve final site and building plans for a 9-unit detached home detached town home development located at 9025 and 9033 James Avenue South subject to the conditions and code requirements attached to the staff report and a construction management report that outlines or that addresses the issue of sequencing timing um and other appropriate uh measures to minimize the impact on the neighborhood. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> There is a mo motion and a second recommending approval. All those in favor say I. >> I oppose. That motion passes 5-0. In case PL 2026126, I move to recommend the city council approve a type 3 preliminary plat and adopt a resolution approving the final plat of James Avenue city homes to subdivide 9025 and 9033 James Avenue South into nine detached town home lots and one out lot subject to the conditions and code requirements attached to the staff report. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> There is a motion and a second recommending approval. All those in favor say I. >> I oppose. That motion passes 50. The anticipated hearing for city council consideration on this item is September 14th. Thank you. Moving on to item. >> No. >> Moving on to item number 2.1. We are considering approval of the draft planning commission meeting synopsis for the August 6th meeting. We had, I believe, six out of seven commissioners present with Commissioner Len absent. And yeah, I would entertain a motion to approve the draft planning commission meeting as presented in the packet. >> I move to approve the minutes from August 6, 2026. Second. >> Uh all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed abstain. >> I abstain. >> Uh that motion passes four >> zero >> zero with one abstination. >> Correct. >> We will now move on to item number 3.1 this evening. Our final item of the evening. Um the planning commission policy issues and update. Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Chair Usay, and uh members of the commission. Um just previewing a couple upcoming uh planning commission meetings. Your next regularly scheduled meeting is on September the 3. Uh there's three public hearings uh planned for that meeting. There's a privately initiated city code amendment to allow sports training facilities in the FT2 uh zoning district. Um and then the other uh two applications, the city is the applicant. First, a public hearing on the cleanup items annual miscellaneous issues ordinance and the third public hearing being the minor policy item uh items associated with the annual miscellaneous issues ordinance. Previewing the September 17th planning commission meeting. Uh there's a public hearing for a public street name change for a portion of Hopkins Road to Mission Road. Um and then there's a second public hearing for a city code amendment uh for an ordinance related to off- streetet parking requirements. This is an item on your work plan that's been before you in the city council in study session uh format um earlier this year. Uh the only other update I have to share is again the Minnesota um uh chapter of the American Planning Association is hosting their conference in Mano, Minnesota this year from October the 21st uh to 23rd. So if you're interested in participating just uh please reach out to Shante Brown or I. >> Great. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Uh, this is an opportunity for planning commissioners to discuss anything that was not on the agenda this evening. Does anyone have any items they would like to discuss? Okay, seeing none, that concludes the this August 20th meeting of the Bloomington Planning Commission. Thank you.