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Uh, I now call this meeting to order. We’ll start off with, uh, 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:23.467

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Commissioner. ro o Right. Yeah Right Here You know that Yeah 5 00:00:43.734 --> 00:00:52.734

the current I’m Yeah. Uh, chair, you have a car. All right, 00:00:52.734 --> 00:01:00.367

thank you. Let’s uh stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I 00:01:00.367 --> 00:01:04.100

pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God

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the table near the entrance to the council chambers if you are

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the public record. Please note that the agenda for tonight’s

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meeting indicates the commission chair has the

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prerogative to invoke a time limit for speakers during any 00:02:04.100 --> 00:02:06.734

public hearing in the interest of maintaining focus and

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effective use of time. Thank you in advance for your

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cooperation. The planning commission consists of 9 00:02:14.533 --> 00:02:16.667

resident volunteer members appointed by the city council

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The commission discusses and evaluates development proposals

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based on zoning regulations and comprehensive plan policies.

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The planning commission vote is a recommendation that is 00:02:32.634 --> 00:02:38.533

forwarded to the city council for official and final action.

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All right, we’ll move to the next agenda item, um. The, uh, 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:51.867

and that’s the approval of the agenda, um, any discussions? 00:02:51.867 --> 00:02:58.867

Any ads or changes. All right, uh, 9, not hearing any, uh, can

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I get a motion to approve the agenda. So, all right, the blue, 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:10.667

uh, the item that’s been moved. Can I get a second? Second All 00:03:10.667 --> 00:03:17.500

right, the motion has been 2nd, uh, All in favor say aye, aye.

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Any opposed? All right, we’ll move to the, uh, the motion 00:03:21.367 --> 00:03:27.734

carries. We’ll move to the next agenda item, but that’s the uh

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consent agenda, uh, and, uh, approval of minutes dated April 00:03:32.567 --> 00:03:40.400

9th, 2025, the regular meeting, um, are there uh Any, uh, 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:45.800

anything here we need to discuss, changes, additions?

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All right, not seeing any, uh, can I get a motion? For

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approval of the consent agenda, including the meeting minutes. 00:03:52.734 --> 00:03:59.367

Most of All right, motion has been made. Can I get a second,

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2nd. All right, the motion has been 2nd, uh. All in favor say 00:04:05.734 --> 00:04:17.467

aye. Uh, and he opposes. All right, motion carries. uh, this. 00:04:17.467 --> 00:04:28.500

Uh 1.61 duties. All right. I think that’s part of the 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:32.834

consent agenda. Um, all right, we’ll move to the next item 5.1. 00:04:32.834 --> 00:04:38.233

Good evening, Chairca in members of the planning

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commission, for the record, senior planner Aaron McDermott 00:04:41.467 --> 00:04:46.000

here to present a park common experience requests, planning

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case number development. A D 25108. Um On behalf of 7625 00:04:55.233 --> 00:05:03.734

Holdings LLC. Um The Principal property is located along Bono 00:05:03.734 --> 00:05:07.033

Boulevard and Brooklyn Boulevard, um. In our TODC

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zoning. It is right on the corner bounded by on three 00:05:12.367 --> 00:05:15.634

sides by public rights of way, Brooklyn Boulevard, Bono

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Boulevard, and Jolly Lane. There are 3 existing structures 00:05:20.300 --> 00:05:26.100

on the site, all constructed in 1993. The variance request

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before you tonight is for the, the Northwest building, um,

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many of you may be familiar with the location it is where 00:05:33.634 --> 00:05:37.867

uh there’s hooks, fish and chicken, um, and the Chipotle.

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As well as Panda Express. Um, the property is owned TODC 00:05:44.900 --> 00:05:48.634

transit-oriented development center uh to the north is a B4

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vehicle sales and showroom property and then on the 00:05:51.734 --> 00:05:56.200

opposite side of Bono Boulevard is the eye General Industrial

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zoning. Um The applicant has provided a number of visuals 00:06:02.634 --> 00:06:06.200

tonight before we, before I get into that, I would like to just

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remind this body about variances so that we can talk 00:06:10.033 --> 00:06:13.800

through the request before us, uh, while looking at these, um,

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in addition to being a zoning requirement, variances are

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governed by Minnesota statute for 62.357 subdivision 6, which 00:06:24.867 --> 00:06:27.100

there are statutory regulations that we have to consider in

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addition to the zoning regulations, uh, first. and

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foremost so that they meet all three factors of the 00:06:34.100 --> 00:06:39.266

three-factor test, uh, which are in the findings of fact.

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Resolution attached in your packet. Um, so, The first 00:06:45.133 --> 00:06:50.467

factor for a variance that needs to be met. is a factor of 00:06:50.467 --> 00:06:52.734

reasonableness. The variance before you tonight is for a

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drive-thru. That will be wrapping around the exterior of

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the building. Uh, the zoning code under section 152904 E1 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:07.367

states that a drive-through cannot be between the principal

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structure and rights of way. So in this case, the zoning code 00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:14.533

would not allow for the drive-through to go where it

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needs to go for it to exist on this site. Um, so for a factor

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of reasonableness, a drive-through is a reasonable 00:07:20.934 --> 00:07:24.266

use. It is permitted with a conditional use permit in the

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zoning district. Uh, so for the second factor, which is that 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:33.367

the landowner’s problem is due to circumstances unique to the

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property, which were not caused by the landowner. Um, the site

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was developed at a time where the zoning district looked very 00:07:40.467 --> 00:07:44.400

different. Um, zoning regulations have changed

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substantially, and so this, this site is considered legally

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nonconforming. In order to continue use of this site, um. 00:07:52.934 --> 00:07:55.734

As it is without having to, you know, tear everything down and

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redevelop it up to the new standards, which isn’t. You

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know, a reasonable request of the property owner, um. They 00:08:02.734 --> 00:08:07.634

would just not be able to have this drive through. Um, and,

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and there are a number of other existing legally nonconforming 00:08:11.667 --> 00:08:17.000

drive-throughs in the area. So this is not a different Um Use

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in the zoning district, which also launches into the third 00:08:20.934 --> 00:08:24.533

factor that it will not alter the essential character of the

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neighborhood. Um, with this, the applicant has addressed the

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fact that the essential character of the neighborhood 00:08:31.100 --> 00:08:35.367

is involved in having active uses and many of the businesses

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in this area are leaving. Um, they have a number of vacancies

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just on this property alone. Uh, so to, to avoid altering that 00:08:43.266 --> 00:08:45.266

essential character of the neighborhood. They would like

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to make sure that they’re able To accommodate their tenants.

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Um, through the insulation of this. drive-through. Um, the 00:08:52.900 --> 00:08:55.934

variance request is the only thing that is before you

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tonight. The applicant wants to make sure that the variance is

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approvable before they spend the money to have all of the 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:08.934

engineered plans created for the site plan, um, So After

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approval of the variant. They, they will put the investment in 00:09:13.734 --> 00:09:18.400

for the site plan review as well as the conditional use

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permit review and this request, you’ll see that request come 00:09:21.233 --> 00:09:24.867

before this body. When they when they’ve got all those

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documents prepared. Um The site plan that they’re proposing, so 00:09:31.300 --> 00:09:36.533

this is their their schedule plan. They’ll, um. They are

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also proposing civic space along the sidewalk. Um, with

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this, just to make it more pedestrian friendly as is the 00:09:43.467 --> 00:09:45.567

intent with the transit-oriented development

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center district. Um, with the They’re showing the Drive 00:09:52.467 --> 00:09:54.900

through going west, counterclockwise around the

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building, um, and they did create um a pass by lane in

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case there are any emergencies just to make sure that they’re 00:10:02.767 --> 00:10:07.533

able to accommodate that. Uh, staff recommendation is that

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You consider and adopt the findings of fact as proposed in 00:10:11.367 --> 00:10:14.533

the draft resolution, and that concludesas’s presentation.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair, can I interject something real quick

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before we move on, just wanted to know I had a voicemail just 00:10:20.367 --> 00:10:23.533

now from the applicant, uh, who was on his way here and had car

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trouble, his car broke down, so he just wanted me to convey

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that he didn’t mean any disrespect to the process, but

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I just couldn’t get here. All right, thank you. Um, Aaron, uh, 00:10:34.834 --> 00:10:37.367

would you summarize those three points again, just brief

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summary on. The variants that uh those three. Bullets that, 00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:45.467

uh, We need to consider. Yes, sure, Kevin. Ari, you, do you

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want just the three-factor test or the applicant’s 00:10:50.467 --> 00:10:53.467

reasonableness, uniqueness, and central character, so they use

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is reasonable, there are unique circumstances that are

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prohibiting them from meeting the exact letter of the code,

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and that it won’t alter the essential character of the 00:11:02.133 --> 00:11:06.834

neighborhood. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. All right,

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uh, we will open it up for the public to anyone from the 00:11:12.100 --> 00:11:19.100

public like to Speak to this item. All right, not saying any,

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we will close the uh public portion. I’ll bring it back to 00:11:23.266 --> 00:11:32.934

the commissioners. Any, uh, Questions or For the 00:11:32.934 --> 00:11:35.367

drive-through, just for clarity, it’s building one and it would

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go. West, she said, and is it available to any tenant in 00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:43.133

there or is it one specific tenant that’s asking for it

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because I’m not quite sure what I can picture in my mind for

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safety wise, chair cave and members of the planning

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commission, thank you, uh, chair or commissioner Borer, um, 00:11:53.834 --> 00:11:58.033

this is specifically for Chipotle, who has occupied the

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building since 2003. Um, currently, Chipotle’s business 00:12:01.467 --> 00:12:05.533

model is to include a Chipotle lane, and, and so because they

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have been a longtime tenant, the property owner is hoping to

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work with them to ensure that they stay in this location. You 00:12:13.533 --> 00:12:16.800

said AAA, Chipotle. I said AAA. I don’t know there’s a AAA

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there. Chipotle. That makes more sense. Mhm. I know, I, 00:12:21.033 --> 00:12:24.200

that’s what I thought it was for, but I Just want to clarify

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Looks good. Um, the, uh, uh, At the time of fire department 00:12:32.667 --> 00:12:36.133

will review it looks the the lane to get around the

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perimeter looks kind of tight, uh, maybe it’s just the

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architecture or what I’m looking for, but the uh fire 00:12:42.367 --> 00:12:45.467

department everyone will look at it, uh, at that time.

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Cherhan, yes, I would like to confirm that during the site

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plan review all divisions of the city will look at it. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:57.467

Sounds great and uh we will, um, uh, any landscaping require, uh,

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they’ll continue to maintain that landscaping requirement as 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:02.634

well. That’s correct the impacted properties will be

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required to meet the current code. Awesome. Anyone else 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:24.533

Commissioner O’Donnell. Um I just have a quick question here, 00:13:24.533 --> 00:13:28.467

um, I was looking at the, uh, Drive through area and um you

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know, it’s got that one. Um, area that you know, cars will 00:13:33.634 --> 00:13:38.033

come in and knowing Chipotle. Um, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s

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gonna be a kind of busy in there and there’s also like a, 00:13:41.166 --> 00:13:45.867

a chicken place in there and some other restaurants. So, um,

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With all that What is uh What consideration is given to how 00:13:52.734 --> 00:13:56.000

the traffic is going to flow in that area. Will there be

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another open land somewhere to um mitigate the uh flow of

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traffic. Cherhaven members of the planning commission, um, I 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:07.266

just, I would like to request clarification before I give you

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a firm answer, but are you talking about vehicular traffic 00:14:11.467 --> 00:14:15.367

or pedestrian? I’m talking about mostly vehicular traffic

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since this is going to be like a drive-through, and I don’t

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see a lot of uh A pedestrians are, you know, you delight in 00:14:22.300 --> 00:14:27.467

that service. Uh, so that is a consideration that we will look

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at for vehicular circulation, um, when we do our site plan 00:14:30.667 --> 00:14:33.133

reviews, we do requests that our engineering team take a

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look at it just from a vehicular flow standpoint, uh,

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so that will be reviewed at the time, um, we do, I do

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acknowledge that there, there’s a very tight. Area through 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:48.367

between those two buildings, uh, and that has been brought up

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with our applicant and his architectural team, um, so they 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:57.400

will be looking at more options as they move forward with the

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site plan. So this is just their sketch plan. It’s not set 00:15:00.634 --> 00:15:03.467

in stone. There may be modifications when the site

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plan comes before you. Right. So, uh I think in this, uh. you 00:15:17.133 --> 00:15:22.033

know, building that are multi tenants, right? There used to 00:15:22.033 --> 00:15:28.367

be caribou. Used to be I think Panda Express. Still there,

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right Still Still there, right? So. Would this You know Uh, 00:15:34.834 --> 00:15:42.300

drives through. Only for Chipotle or it also covers if 00:15:42.300 --> 00:15:49.133

interest arises for. Other tenants uh to, to use those uh

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facilities, you know. Thank you, Chair and members of the 00:15:51.266 --> 00:15:56.133

planning commission, this will only be for Chipotle, um, there

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are 3 buildings on the site if there need were to arise, we

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would be able to work with the property owner to see if 00:16:03.667 --> 00:16:05.734

additional drive-throughs were needed. If there was any way

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that we could reorganize, like to help them with that. But at 00:16:10.533 --> 00:16:13.367

this time there’s no interest for their other tenants to have

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a drive-through. This is only for that Chipotle tenant. So

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would, would the drive-through covers the Entire, I mean this 00:16:21.900 --> 00:16:24.033

buildings are connected to one another, so with the

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drive-through cover. All of this, you know, building circle

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or it comes from. Yes, it will, it will completely encircle the 00:16:33.300 --> 00:16:37.834

building, but it will only serve the one tenant. OK. So

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it’s utilization is one tenant, but it’s in circles the whole. 00:16:42.533 --> 00:16:53.200

Building, that’s great. OK, thanks. You’re man. All right. 00:16:53.200 --> 00:17:01.266

Any other? Questions. Oh JJ’s fish. All right, not seeing any, 00:17:01.266 --> 00:17:11.634

uh, can I get a motion? Commissioner Put him on the 00:17:11.634 --> 00:17:20.033

spot, huh? No OK, Commissioner Bohr, would you. Would you turn 00:17:20.033 --> 00:17:24.734

on your mic, please? Can make a motion to adopt findings of

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fact for the approval of a variance request for a

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deviation from zoning code section 152. 904 E1 for the 00:17:33.800 --> 00:17:35.934

construction of a drive-through between the principal structure

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and public rights of way at 7631 Jolly Lane North, subject

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to the conditions in the draft resolution. Thank you. Uh, can 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:50.467

I get a second? motion has been made. It has been 2nd, uh, any 00:17:50.467 --> 00:18:01.100

further discussion. Not any, uh, let’s, uh, vote all in favor, 00:18:01.100 --> 00:18:08.133

say aye. Any oppose? All right, motion carries. This will go to

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city council May 20th. All right, thanks. All right, we’ll 00:18:19.367 --> 00:18:28.367

move to the next agenda item, uh, 5.2. Uh, good evening to 00:18:28.367 --> 00:18:31.000

cap and members of the planning commission for the record, Matt 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.667

Hayes, freaking associate planner with the City of

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Brooklyn Park, uh, presenting Soda Shine, uh, applications

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for site plan review and a conditional use permit. Um, 00:18:41.100 --> 00:18:44.800

from the applicants, uh, sort of China is proposing a unique

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car wash to serve the Minnesota market by providing a

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first-class top grade car wash, along with an indoor vacuum and 00:18:52.367 --> 00:18:56.100

car care facility. The indoor facility will be the first of

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its kind in Minnesota, and will be a record-breaking facility

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as the longest car wash tunnel in the world. It will provide a 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.266

great new setting for people to take care of their vehicles in

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the middle of a messy Minnesota winters. Um, so to shine is 00:19:12.634 --> 00:19:15.467

proposing their 3rd location near the southeast quadrant of

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the intersection of 10 9th Avenue North and Highway 169. 00:19:20.100 --> 00:19:24.467

Um, and as mentioned this this submission includes two

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applications, the site plan review and a CUP request for

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the operation of the car wash. So the site vicinity map I 00:19:37.133 --> 00:19:39.467

chose is actually from the preliminary and final path that

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was approved by this body last month. Um, and this location of 00:19:44.634 --> 00:19:48.867

the proposed development as is on undeveloped property in the

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business park zoning district and the planned development 00:19:51.867 --> 00:19:55.467

overlay district in the northwest North Park Northwest

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corner mixed-use development. Um Planning case development 00:20:02.467 --> 00:20:04.467

number 25103 approved the preliminary and final plots for

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the creation of two lots. And 3 outlets in the North Park

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Center 10th edition, and the subject here on the map, um, 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:18.400

highlight, highlighted or um It’s in red, um, the subject

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property will be located on what is the subdivision slot 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:27.934

one block one. As detailed on the final plot. So here you can

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see the zoning, um, to the north is the city of Champlain, 00:20:31.800 --> 00:20:40.133

and um, For this particular location, um, it’s to, um, it’s 00:20:40.133 --> 00:20:43.000

highlighting the entirety of the North Park area, but most

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of it will be within that business park, but you do see

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its proximity where there are detached single family and two

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family residential districts, so the R3 district to the east 00:20:53.467 --> 00:20:57.800

along with detached single family estate are one districts,

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um, also to the east. And then you have the urban reserve, um, 00:21:01.634 --> 00:21:03.734

that is marked for the Northwest Growth Area Plan. out

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to the west. Uh, the BP district, uh, is a district

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designed to provide areas in which to locate businesses that 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.400

enhance the city’s tax base. Um, have few customers coming to

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the site, but may have a large employee base. Uh, involving 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.934

manufacturing, warehousing, office uses, and other

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accessory retail and services offered on site to serve the

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primary use of their employees. The properties and buildings in 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.734

this district must be designed to promote a campus-like

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setting that exhibits a landscape theme and high

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quality exterior building materials. You can also see on

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the zoning map, um, that there’s a planned development 00:21:42.634 --> 00:21:47.467

overlay. So this property is governed by ordinance number,

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uh, 2015, 1193, which rezoned the property from urban reserve, 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.033

uh, with highway overlay, the business park with planned

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development overlay, and the purpose of the POD is to

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promote creative and efficient uses of land by providing 00:22:01.367 --> 00:22:04.533

design flexibility in the application of the provisions

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of a primary zoning district by um by providing an overlay

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district. on top of any of the primary zoning districts, um. I 00:22:13.100 --> 00:22:16.900

just stressed that because, um, as you saw in the staff report,

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you also saw that the specific criteria for this specific 00:22:20.266 --> 00:22:22.767

overlay, um, and then the analysis on how those

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provisions that were applicable, how they were being met by the

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application submittal. So for the site plan, um, site plan 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:35.000

approval is required for the construction of a structure,

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but the grading or taking any action to prepare a site for

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development and for when we’re uh removing earth, soils, 00:22:40.834 --> 00:22:45.133

gravel, or other natural materials from um or place uh

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the same on a site. The staff has reviewed the site plan, uh,

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according to the code requirements, um, and, uh, 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:57.467

against the required lot lines, the lot in building dimensions,

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parking and building setbacks, and staff has confirmed that

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they’re after their review that the final site plan does meet 00:23:03.300 --> 00:23:05.567

zoning code requirements. Um, in addition to the site plan,

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um, I hope you had an opportunity just to see the

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lengthy submission that the applicants did provide. Um, it 00:23:10.734 --> 00:23:15.233

was a very thorough submission that included existing

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conditions survey, uh, a proposed, um, uh, building

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footprint. Preliminary grading and drainage plans, utility 00:23:23.667 --> 00:23:26.834

plans, landscape plans and screening plans, all of which

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has been um reviewed by city staff, um, along with this site 00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:35.867

plan application. Here is a rendering of what the

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elevations um are as proposed. For this location? And then 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:47.567

here is a 3D rendering of what it potentially could look like.

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I did just want to highlight here, um, the, the finish, the 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.166

exterior finish schedule in particular, um, section 152,

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1005 of the zoning code establishes building and design 00:24:00.867 --> 00:24:04.934

standards for a non-residential properties, um, applicants have

00:24:04.934 --> 00:24:09.734

the option, uh, to, to, to use one of two exterior material

00:24:09.734 --> 00:24:13.133

schedules. So for this project, the can’t proposed using the 00:24:13.133 --> 00:24:16.500

following material schedule of cast stone, uh, two different

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metal types, two different precast concrete types and

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stone. Um, it, it is my interpretation as staff that 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:32.367

this um is uh. A good, uh, give me one second. I just want to 00:24:32.367 --> 00:24:37.100

go back to what the PDO requirement was for um the

00:24:37.100 --> 00:24:46.800

expectations. Yeah, yeah, that, the exterior schedule as 00:24:46.800 --> 00:24:52.100

presented, um. Demonstrates that this development is 00:24:52.100 --> 00:24:56.867

superior in quality and design, um. Because of this PDO over

00:24:56.867 --> 00:25:01.667

overlay. Um, so that’s for the site plan. Now for the 00:25:01.667 --> 00:25:06.000

conditional use permit, um, Car washes are conditional use

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.800

permit in the BP district, um, and the following factors that 00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:14.734

are on the screen are to, uh, are to be what are what are

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used when making a determination, uh, for

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conditional use permit application. Planning staff has 00:25:20.467 --> 00:25:23.667

reviewed the plan against these requirements and determine that

00:25:23.667 --> 00:25:28.467

the requirements have been met. And on the display here is the

00:25:28.467 --> 00:25:31.467

conditions of approval for this specific conditional use permit. 00:25:31.467 --> 00:25:38.000

Um This, uh, using these factors, staff determined that

00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.800

the following conditions, uh, were taken were a combination 00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:44.367

of the non-residential performance standards for car

00:25:44.367 --> 00:25:48.200

washes in the zoning code, as well as applicable city and

00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:54.500

state code requirements. So for staff’s recommendation, um, 00:25:54.500 --> 00:25:56.800

we’re recommending approval of the site plan review for the

00:25:56.800 --> 00:26:01.133

construction of a car wash, um, located and address to be 00:26:01.133 --> 00:26:04.133

determined. And then also approval of the conditional use

00:26:04.133 --> 00:26:06.867

permit for the operation of that car wash at the same

00:26:06.867 --> 00:26:11.467

address to be determined. That is staff’s presentation. I’ll 00:26:11.467 --> 00:26:19.166

stand for any questions. Thank you. Uh, That this time is the

00:26:19.166 --> 00:26:22.734

applicant here. They like to speak to. Yes, the applicant is 00:26:22.734 --> 00:26:28.800

here. You don’t have to, but I don’t know if you want. OK. Why

00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:37.200

not Not sure the rules. Uh, I’m uh Nick Netley, one of the 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.100

owners of Sodershein, um. Pretty stoked about this 00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:45.767

location, um, be able to break a world record in length, um,

00:26:45.767 --> 00:26:48.934

done, uh, this is our 3rd location, uh, what the first

00:26:48.934 --> 00:26:51.767

one’s in Waconia. Second one’s Maple Grove, and then this will 00:26:51.767 --> 00:26:56.066

be the hopefully the 3rd 1, um. But yeah, I think I came to

00:26:56.066 --> 00:27:01.367

this kind of epiphany of indoor vacuuming over this winter. 00:27:01.367 --> 00:27:03.100

It’s like you’re just dying outside trying to vacuum your

00:27:03.100 --> 00:27:04.800

car. So it’s like, you know what, I think we can do this

00:27:04.800 --> 00:27:08.800

better. And so, It’s a big building, uh, but at the same

00:27:08.800 --> 00:27:13.100

time, I think, I think people are gonna love it, um, and 00:27:13.100 --> 00:27:15.266

location’s great, great traffic counts, that’s what we’re

00:27:15.266 --> 00:27:20.000

looking for in car washes is traffic counts, um. But, uh, 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:25.000

this one will be a 305 ft car wash tunnel. The old record is

00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.667

255, and then we’ll have a 33 indoor vacuums too, so. Awesome.

00:27:28.667 --> 00:27:34.000

Yeah. Can you tell me a little more about the overall 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:39.500

operation, so, uh. So folks drive in and what happens?

00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:43.000

Correct, so basically we have our 3 stacking lanes and so 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.867

stack up there, um, the two outside lanes are for members,

00:27:45.867 --> 00:27:49.400

and then the inside lanes for people who pay, um, then you

00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.533

pull up to the entrance of the car wash, you enter the car 00:27:52.533 --> 00:27:55.300

wash, and then after you get done, you can choose to leave

00:27:55.300 --> 00:27:58.634

or go home or you wrap around the building to go into the

00:27:58.634 --> 00:28:01.300

indoor vas, and we kind of designed it like that, because 00:28:01.300 --> 00:28:04.800

at the indoor vas are full, you can keep making a continuous

00:28:04.800 --> 00:28:07.634

loop until a spot opens up, so we kind of addressed the

00:28:07.634 --> 00:28:10.734

potential backup spot in the kind of the back, the back lane, 00:28:10.734 --> 00:28:13.000

cause people are gonna probably be there for a while, um,

00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:17.734

because it’s making it pretty comfortable for him inside, so,

00:28:17.734 --> 00:28:22.000

um, yeah, so basically you can leave, it’s about a 5-minute 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.233

wash, um, but I would say the majority of the people were

00:28:25.233 --> 00:28:30.100

probably going and use the vacuums too, so yeah. So, uh, 00:28:30.100 --> 00:28:34.800

no, uh, rest like, you know, food or anything inside that,

00:28:34.800 --> 00:28:38.467

no, we do have a cleaning. station inside, so again in

00:28:38.467 --> 00:28:40.934

Minnesota winters, maths get gross and so basically we have 00:28:40.934 --> 00:28:43.367

a kind of a centralized uh power wash station so you can

00:28:43.367 --> 00:28:46.467

walk the mats up to us and we’ll clean for free for you,

00:28:46.467 --> 00:28:51.367

um, and get, get them back. So, yeah, but no food of any good 00:28:51.367 --> 00:28:53.166

public restrooms and, I think we do have, uh, I think we have

00:28:53.166 --> 00:28:56.834

one in there, Boyd. Yeah, we have one public restroom, yeah.

00:28:56.834 --> 00:29:01.767

OK. Um, I’m gonna get to the public and then I’ll come back 00:29:01.767 --> 00:29:07.834

to the planning, uh, um. All right, uh, perfect. I may have

00:29:07.834 --> 00:29:10.033

a couple more questions uh for you afterwards here. Sounds 00:29:10.033 --> 00:29:16.400

good. Thank you. Right, uh, well, uh, opening up to the

00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.734

public. Anyone who would like to speak, please come to the,

00:29:18.734 --> 00:29:31.500

uh Podium and state your name, address. Good evening. I’m 00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:35.634

Bonnie O’Brien. I live at 8203 100 9th Place North. I’m right

00:29:35.634 --> 00:29:40.533

on the corner of 109th and Xylon Lane. So I do have some 00:29:40.533 --> 00:29:43.634

questions. I’m not sure if you can answer them here or if this

00:29:43.634 --> 00:29:46.900

is for the city council, but I would be interested to know

00:29:46.900 --> 00:29:52.266

what are the hours of operation? Um, is this a 24 hour service 00:29:52.266 --> 00:29:58.100

is or not, uh, is it 7 days a week? Uh, when would the

00:29:58.100 --> 00:30:02.367

construction start and complete, would it be going on while that 00:30:02.367 --> 00:30:05.000

street is being constructed? Is this something coming up rather

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:12.467

quickly. And then, um, will the construction also follow the 00:30:12.467 --> 00:30:15.667

quiet times that Champlain has of not starting before 7 a.m.

00:30:15.667 --> 00:30:19.400

That has been a big issue with the other buildings that have

00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.934

been built in that same spot and like I said, I live on the 00:30:22.934 --> 00:30:28.467

corner. And those construction vehicles beeping at 5:45 every

00:30:28.467 --> 00:30:34.834

morning is not really Very, um, Conducive to sleeping. And 00:30:34.834 --> 00:30:38.634

Champlain does have a 7 a.m. quiet time, so that is a big

00:30:38.634 --> 00:30:42.367

concern. And then as a resident within 500 ft, will we be 00:30:42.367 --> 00:30:47.734

notified when this goes before the city council. All right,

00:30:47.734 --> 00:30:53.000

thank you. We will uh address. those shortly if we can. Anyone 00:30:53.000 --> 00:31:01.634

else from the public. I’d like to speak to this. I. All right, 00:31:01.634 --> 00:31:06.467

not, uh, uh, send any, we’ll close the public portion of it,

00:31:06.467 --> 00:31:10.767

uh, bring it back to the commissioner and uh Uh, the 00:31:10.767 --> 00:31:15.467

staff, so we have the questions. Do you have uh some preliminary

00:31:15.467 --> 00:31:19.200

answers or answers that Yes, I will probably defer to, I, I

00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.100

know, um, the applicants have specific information about 00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:24.000

their hours of operations, so I will defer to them um and

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.867

invite them back up, but, um, this is scheduled to go to um

00:31:28.867 --> 00:31:32.667

um your recommendation would go to the May 28th City council 00:31:32.667 --> 00:31:35.467

meeting. So, um I can answer that question. Um, I don’t know

00:31:35.467 --> 00:31:39.100

if you want to speak to hours of operation. Um, I can’t say

00:31:39.100 --> 00:31:43.367

if approved, the site plan. Um. I, I don’t know the timeline 00:31:43.367 --> 00:31:45.934

necessarily for development. As you know, this is a, this was

00:31:45.934 --> 00:31:49.767

just a subdivision at last month, um, they would have up

00:31:49.767 --> 00:31:57.667

until um. December of 2026, um, to complete construction, or to 00:31:57.667 --> 00:32:03.467

ask for an additional, um, your extension. From staff. Sounds 00:32:03.467 --> 00:32:09.467

great cause I, uh. Snell put in the infrastructure for? This at

00:32:09.467 --> 00:32:15.266

this time, um. I don’t think so. Not yet, because of the, as 00:32:15.266 --> 00:32:18.467

Matt said, the subdivision was just approved, um, so they’ll

00:32:18.467 --> 00:32:21.800

be working on the infrastructure this summer, um, 00:32:21.800 --> 00:32:26.467

and, uh, to the question from the resident about, um, quiet

00:32:26.467 --> 00:32:28.634

hours, yes, so the city of Brooklyn Park does have a

00:32:28.634 --> 00:32:32.000

similar ordinance to what Champlain has, um, quiet hours 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:37.166

end at 7 in the morning. So if you do or if you are hearing

00:32:37.166 --> 00:32:41.400

construction activities, either, you know, on 109th or on 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.200

private property related to the Um, please do let us know and

00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.800

report that so that we can follow up um with the

00:32:47.800 --> 00:32:52.100

appropriate folks to rectify that. Does the county have to 00:32:52.100 --> 00:32:56.467

follow those same rules if uh if it’s the roadwork or state.

00:32:56.467 --> 00:33:03.000

Everybody’s expected to, yeah, right. Awesome. Um, the, uh, uh, 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.500

uh. Representative, if you want to speak to the hours of

00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:22.166

operation. Mm Again, uh, Nick Netley, one of the owners of 00:33:22.166 --> 00:33:26.367

Soda Shine. Um, so other car washes are open till 8, so

00:33:26.367 --> 00:33:30.533

we’re probably can do something similar. This is gonna have an 00:33:30.533 --> 00:33:34.800

indoor feature, so. You know, it’ll be light inside because

00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:37.300

it typically it dies down pretty good, um, during the

00:33:37.300 --> 00:33:41.300

winter time, uh, at like 5 o’clock, honestly, but 00:33:41.300 --> 00:33:45.634

summertime, I would say. We anticipate 8 o’clock, maybe 9

00:33:45.634 --> 00:33:49.667

if you find like there’s a need for it now that we have indoor

00:33:49.667 --> 00:33:52.100

lighting to vacuum your stuff out, so, but I would say in 00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:58.400

that 8 to 9 hour range. So, but 8 o’clock is our other two car

00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:04.133

washes. Do you have uh, so typically we open up at 77 a.m. 00:34:04.133 --> 00:34:09.166

to 7 to 8 other locations, yeah. OK. Yeah. Um, and do you

00:34:09.166 --> 00:34:14.266

operate 7 days a week? Yep, so. It’s um car washes all like a 00:34:14.266 --> 00:34:17.000

membership platform now, so yeah, it’s, it’s 7 days a week,

00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.533

yeah. Now, bad weather, we might shut down for bad weather

00:34:19.533 --> 00:34:21.400

or something like that, but typically, yeah, it’s uh it’s 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.100

gonna be a 7 day a week business. So, um, dealing with

00:34:25.100 --> 00:34:27.634

memberships. It’s like a gym, you gotta be open every day, so,

00:34:27.634 --> 00:34:32.567

yeah. And then the uh uh I want to just jump into my questions 00:34:32.567 --> 00:34:37.200

here, uh, and I know that the staff hate when I say this, so

00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:43.867

did I say like a a pylon sign. We monument sign. This is my 00:34:43.867 --> 00:34:48.100

brother. He’s one of the owners and builders, uh, he’s building

00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:51.200

of it too, so we do have a pylon sign application in there 00:34:51.200 --> 00:34:57.000

too, I think, where’s that place? Is that, uh, on the 169

00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:04.467

or is on 100 on the northwest corner of 169 imaging, right? 00:35:04.467 --> 00:35:10.300

This is what I have Yeah, yeah. So it’s kind of kind of can see 00:35:10.300 --> 00:35:15.767

it, yeah, so. Sorry, uh, Boyd Netley, um, a minority owner

00:35:15.767 --> 00:35:18.467

and so I’m also with Franna Companies, general contractor,

00:35:18.467 --> 00:35:22.100

so we, we will be building the the building as well. Um, as 00:35:22.100 --> 00:35:26.300

you can see here, the Monument or pylon sign is up in this

00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:32.200

corner here. On the northwest corner. That’s, uh, uh, lit 00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:36.000

pylon sign, uh, digital backlit with a digital reader. All

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:41.834

right. The, uh, and I’m not, uh, yeah, I, I guess past memory, 00:35:41.834 --> 00:35:48.734

uh, uh. Uh, about car washes in particular water usage and the

00:35:48.734 --> 00:35:51.400

chemicals that’s used. Walk me through that and the 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.667

environmental concerns that folks have had. Uh, yes, so

00:35:55.667 --> 00:36:00.533

this, uh, car wash will have a reclaim system, so what uh we 00:36:00.533 --> 00:36:04.834

that does is it collects all the runoff water from the cars.

00:36:04.834 --> 00:36:09.100

It goes into uh tanks in which it goes into a sandpit for

00:36:09.100 --> 00:36:12.266

which fills the filters out garbage and sand, and then it 00:36:12.266 --> 00:36:16.467

goes into these uh three stage. tanks that filter out for

00:36:16.467 --> 00:36:20.400

contaminants, uh, that all those contaminants get pumped 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.100

out into a waste collection system. A truck comes and pumps

00:36:24.100 --> 00:36:28.266

it out like a septic system or something similar, um. And then

00:36:28.266 --> 00:36:32.033

that water gets reused on the initial stages of the car wash, 00:36:32.033 --> 00:36:34.467

so the prep, the stuff that doesn’t need you know water,

00:36:34.467 --> 00:36:38.000

it’s just there to knock off the, the big dirt, um, to help

00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.133

reduce water usage as well. So that’s a a kind of a green 00:36:40.133 --> 00:36:44.467

element we try to introduce to help uh Reduce our utility

00:36:44.467 --> 00:36:48.567

bills and water usage. That’s awesome. Glad to hear that. Um,

00:36:48.567 --> 00:36:52.934

regarding the uh overall structure, any other, uh, plans 00:36:52.934 --> 00:36:56.734

for, if you will, making it green, any, what kind of roof

00:36:56.734 --> 00:36:59.900

are you using? So we’re we’re using a balanced EPDM roof, so

00:36:59.900 --> 00:37:05.133

pretty standard, but we are gonna have solar panels, uh, so 00:37:05.133 --> 00:37:07.900

it’ll probably be roughly we’re just, we got to get a, a model

00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:12.667

done but a 60 kilowatt uh 60k kilowatt system so or 60 00:37:12.667 --> 00:37:15.467

kilowatt system, so the location of Maple Grove has a

00:37:15.467 --> 00:37:24.266

54 um. Kilowatt system. something similar. OK. The 00:37:24.266 --> 00:37:28.634

other plenty, uh, comments from. Mr. Chair, can I just interject

00:37:28.634 --> 00:37:32.300

one thing, um, just want to correct the record, the council 00:37:32.300 --> 00:37:37.734

meeting for both this item and the previous item is May 27th,

00:37:37.734 --> 00:37:40.467

Tuesday, May 27th. It’s a little bit of a different week 00:37:40.467 --> 00:37:43.367

in that Monday is a holiday when council meetings usually

00:37:43.367 --> 00:37:49.400

are, so it’s on Tuesday, the 27th. Sounds great. And um For

00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:55.800

before it goes to uh. The council will Maybe the 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.734

neighbors have been notified. Or will they be notified again

00:37:59.734 --> 00:38:02.367

have already been notified of the public hearing, which is 00:38:02.367 --> 00:38:05.800

right now, um, and then, yeah, there isn’t a separate

00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.000

notification for the council meeting. There is, there’s not

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:14.767

a separate ratification, yeah. OK. All right, Commissioner 00:38:14.767 --> 00:38:19.867

Bohr. Um I know we talked about it last month, but the access

00:38:19.867 --> 00:38:24.734

to this is on 108th Court. Where is the access of 109th? 00:38:24.734 --> 00:38:31.100

Is that? Uh, not access into the. Car wash, but if you just 00:38:31.100 --> 00:38:38.000

curious about the traffic on the 109th. It’s down further.

00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.900

Uh, Che and Commissioner Borer uh just is the general question 00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:48.133

about traffic flow in this area, it sounds like it looks like.

00:38:48.133 --> 00:38:52.934

There’s different avenues to get in 2108 is kind of. That is 00:38:52.934 --> 00:38:58.033

correct, yes. And the idea behind this with the uh um with

00:38:58.033 --> 00:39:01.533

this application is, um, it’s very much viewed as an amenity 00:39:01.533 --> 00:39:05.233

um to the BP to the North Park area. Um, so definitely, I

00:39:05.233 --> 00:39:07.934

think, um, a lot of that traffic would be coming up from

00:39:07.934 --> 00:39:10.734

the North Park area along with residents, I would imagine as 00:39:10.734 --> 00:39:15.834

well. Um, I can tell you that our um transportation engineer

00:39:15.834 --> 00:39:21.800

to review it and didn’t have any concerns with the traffic. 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.767

And did we review this lot? it’s, you know, on outline

00:39:25.767 --> 00:39:28.900

outlot see. Is there something that’s going there? Nothing

00:39:28.900 --> 00:39:41.000

proposed at this time. Huh OK. OK All right. Any other 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:49.000

questions from the planning commissioner O’Don. Um Yeah, I

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.266

I have a short comment and then I’ll ask my question, um. I’m 00:39:53.266 --> 00:39:55.934

gonna miss all the festivals and events that used to be in

00:39:55.934 --> 00:39:57.867

that area, you know, you know, we used to take kids there and

00:39:57.867 --> 00:40:02.667

they had a great time, but this, this, this also uh is a good 00:40:02.667 --> 00:40:06.667

improvement. Well, A good thing to go there. Um, but that being

00:40:06.667 --> 00:40:12.533

said, um, you did mention that your Business model, uh, the 00:40:12.533 --> 00:40:16.300

little bit that I caught would be. Uh, more, more like a gym,

00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:19.200

you know, you got, you know, he, he’s gonna have some, some

00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:24.266

memberships and stuff like that. With that in mind, um, what 00:40:24.266 --> 00:40:28.634

would your full employment look like in that coward if

00:40:28.634 --> 00:40:32.300

everything is automatic. Yeah, so with this one we’ll have a 00:40:32.300 --> 00:40:35.634

little more staff for the, the vacuum part of it. Um,

00:40:35.634 --> 00:40:38.634

typically, if you go to a different or other car washes,

00:40:38.634 --> 00:40:41.634

we have, you know, a person out there loading towels up, stuff 00:40:41.634 --> 00:40:46.133

like that. Uh, this one will be more probably. I would say

00:40:46.133 --> 00:40:50.467

probably 3 people in, in the, in the back area. 3 in the 00:40:50.467 --> 00:40:53.133

vacuum area alone, probably on site, I would say 8 to 10

00:40:53.133 --> 00:40:57.367

employees would be there on, on site, um, you, you know, you

00:40:57.367 --> 00:41:00.634

have your sales booth, you have your loaders, you have a person 00:41:00.634 --> 00:41:04.400

at the exit and then the uh vacuum staff. So I would say 8

00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:12.400

to 10 probably. We’re kind of ballpark in that. So just for 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:16.133

clarity, as a customer, I get out of my car and I vacuum my

00:41:16.133 --> 00:41:19.934

car or your staff do all of it and I this is a self-ser vacuum.

00:41:19.934 --> 00:41:24.200

So pretty much, yeah, the vision, uh, yeah, like you go 00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:27.834

up and. They’re free to use after, after you purchase it.

00:41:27.834 --> 00:41:31.000

What’s nice about how we designed this one too is at 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.300

other locations, we have a lot of free vacuuming going on. Um,

00:41:35.300 --> 00:41:38.467

this one now you actually have to go to the wash to actually

00:41:38.467 --> 00:41:41.100

use it, because making this indoor part is going to draw a 00:41:41.100 --> 00:41:45.400

lot of people, um, and so we don’t want a million people

00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.667

change not well and tires in there and stuff like that. So

00:41:47.667 --> 00:41:50.767

basically, we want you to use the car wash. Use the vacuum, 00:41:50.767 --> 00:41:55.567

um, but it will be for pain and member clients only, so. You’re

00:41:55.567 --> 00:41:58.266

kind of cut down on that traffic too, cause we do have

00:41:58.266 --> 00:42:02.100

some abuse, um. kind of have an unsupervised vacuum areas that 00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:10.000

are two locations, so. just a quick follow up, um. This is 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.266

not gonna be like, uh, you’re not gonna have like a full

00:42:14.266 --> 00:42:17.467

service situation that somebody can drop off their cars and

00:42:17.467 --> 00:42:21.233

have them detailed and, and this is, this is basically, 00:42:21.233 --> 00:42:23.800

we’ll, we’ll do the washing and we’ll make a a comfortable

00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.667

environment for you to do the vacuuming, and then we we

00:42:26.667 --> 00:42:29.266

provide towels, uh, compressed air and all the vacuum spots

00:42:29.266 --> 00:42:32.467

too, so you, you can blow your car off and stuff like that, um, 00:42:32.467 --> 00:42:34.667

so yeah, we’ll provide everything for you there, um,

00:42:34.667 --> 00:42:39.100

but this is, yeah, a self-serve the vacuum area, but we do the

00:42:39.100 --> 00:42:47.867

washing. So OK, thank you. Yup. Look, go ahead. How many 00:42:47.867 --> 00:42:53.734

vacuums do you have? 33. How are you going to protect the 00:42:53.734 --> 00:42:57.634

employee’s ears. I mean, I, you know, I mean, that’s the

00:42:57.634 --> 00:43:01.367

vacuums are actually outside of the building. So we just we 00:43:01.367 --> 00:43:05.634

have they’re outside on the, uh, east corner of the building, um,

00:43:05.634 --> 00:43:08.667

and so it actually be pretty quiet in there, honestly. Um,

00:43:08.667 --> 00:43:14.634

so yeah, the vacuums will be outside, so we’re not. Not 00:43:14.634 --> 00:43:18.000

really they’re not bad. I mean, other two locations are vacuums

00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.166

are out in the open and there’s been no complaints about them, 00:43:21.166 --> 00:43:32.233

um, so. Thank you. Thank you. A couple of questions, uh. Um, 00:43:32.233 --> 00:43:36.000

one question is maybe just yes or no, uh, are there any

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:45.000

entrants from 169? Uh, no, no interns from 169, uh. And my 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.734

second question is about, uh, you said, I think if people

00:43:48.734 --> 00:43:54.100

could drop a car and then leave. And the work will be done and 00:43:54.100 --> 00:43:57.000

then they come and pick, right? No, no, so this is basically

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.934

you would. When I say you can leave, that’s after you go to

00:43:59.934 --> 00:44:02.634

the wash, you can drive home. So basically, you, you don’t 00:44:02.634 --> 00:44:05.367

get out of your car, you don’t leave your car. You pretty much

00:44:05.367 --> 00:44:08.400

get in line to go to the vacuum, I mean, to go to the wash, you

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.667

go through the wash and you can either choose to go home or you 00:44:11.667 --> 00:44:14.467

could wrap around the building and use the vacuum, so there’d

00:44:14.467 --> 00:44:18.233

be nobody dropping cars off with us. OK, there’s no cars

00:44:18.233 --> 00:44:22.467

and then to pick later. OK, that’s good. Uh, second is I’m 00:44:22.467 --> 00:44:26.233

in the next question I have is about uh You know, this is

00:44:26.233 --> 00:44:31.467

indoor operations and I heard you mention that you go to the 00:44:31.467 --> 00:44:35.233

car wash and then you get out and into the vacuum area. Is

00:44:35.233 --> 00:44:41.000

this, uh, you go outside of the building or within the building 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.467

that you go to the, we have a pull it up I can kind of walk

00:44:44.467 --> 00:44:50.634

you through what it looks like. Yeah mouse here work. So pretty 00:44:50.634 --> 00:44:53.867

much this is the stacking lanes over here, you’d enter the car

00:44:53.867 --> 00:44:59.734

wash here. This is the really long tunnel. And this way you

00:44:59.734 --> 00:45:05.634

can choose to exit. Or you can choose to come back around. 00:45:05.634 --> 00:45:09.467

Into the vacuum area. And let’s say these are all full for some

00:45:09.467 --> 00:45:13.100

reason, um, you can exit and then make another loop back 00:45:13.100 --> 00:45:16.934

around rather than stopping and waiting, um, so kind of created

00:45:16.934 --> 00:45:21.100

a little loop system here. So that you can reassure you that 00:45:21.100 --> 00:45:26.400

you could eventually be able to vacuum your car out, so. OK. OK.

00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:31.166

So during winter time, you know, there is a. That’s basically 00:45:31.166 --> 00:45:34.367

outside you have to go out and come back. Correct, yep, so you

00:45:34.367 --> 00:45:38.367

do leave. The building after the wash, and if you choose the

00:45:38.367 --> 00:45:42.000

vacuum, then you come back inside the building again. OK. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.133

It’s separated. Could you, could you speak to, you know, a

00:45:45.133 --> 00:45:49.367

snow during winter, Minnesota weather. Where do you store

00:45:49.367 --> 00:45:54.233

snow and all this, you know. Um, I mean, basically. With this 00:45:54.233 --> 00:45:58.500

one, we just use just honestly, out of those spots, we use a

00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:00.767

snow blowers, um, that way we can kind of angle it where we 00:46:00.767 --> 00:46:04.834

want to angle it, um, pile it up where we can pile it up, um,

00:46:04.834 --> 00:46:07.033

I don’t envision using plows here. I’d miss using

00:46:07.033 --> 00:46:09.667

snowblowers so we can kind of fine tune where we. Stack all

00:46:09.667 --> 00:46:13.934

this stuff like, like most properties, it’s hard to find 00:46:13.934 --> 00:46:17.233

good stacking spots, um. But with this one, we found a lot

00:46:17.233 --> 00:46:20.367

more success with snow blowers, for example, you know, you 00:46:20.367 --> 00:46:24.200

could stack it right here. You can stack it over here, um,

00:46:24.200 --> 00:46:27.834

that way, you’re not having a big plow mounds everywhere, so

00:46:27.834 --> 00:46:31.634

we use, we use a snow blowers other two locations, and we 00:46:31.634 --> 00:46:38.533

find they work better. OK. Thank you. Um, one last

00:46:38.533 --> 00:46:42.000

question is to. Uh, the other gentleman, I didn’t give your 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:48.133

name. I’m sorry about that, uh, you mentioned about uh some

00:46:48.133 --> 00:46:52.266

disposables and that will go in after filtering the way I 00:46:52.266 --> 00:46:55.533

understood it and then some will be picked up, you know.

00:46:55.533 --> 00:47:00.634

How frequent it gets packed and what time it gets picked and. 00:47:00.634 --> 00:47:04.634

Yeah, it’s, uh, it gets pumped up about once a quarter, so

00:47:04.634 --> 00:47:12.133

once every 3 months. Once every 6 months, OK. And I guess that. 00:47:12.133 --> 00:47:14.367

And during the wintertime, it might be a little more frequent

00:47:14.367 --> 00:47:17.133

than that, just all the sand and stuff we get from road salt

00:47:17.133 --> 00:47:20.100

and stuff like that. So we we we have a gauge, and so 00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:22.834

basically we kind of monitor it, typically this time of year,

00:47:22.834 --> 00:47:25.100

it’s once a quarter, but it’s not uncommon if we have a

00:47:25.100 --> 00:47:28.133

really snowy, like a lot of ice and sand on the roads, we’ll do

00:47:28.133 --> 00:47:31.467

a little lot more often than that. And so it could be once 00:47:31.467 --> 00:47:35.200

every 2 months, but typically we’re on a a quarterly

00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:37.400

maintenance deal, so. Is there, could you, could you speak to,

00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.367

you know, when you pick, uh, This is basically a different 00:47:42.367 --> 00:47:50.100

uh. Disposable vendor, you know, I mean. Yeah, we have a pump 00:47:50.100 --> 00:47:53.634

truck that comes yeah, big pump tru comes and they usually do

00:47:53.634 --> 00:47:57.467

it, um, Like right away in the morning just to get it done

00:47:57.467 --> 00:48:01.166

with, um, but yeah, a big pump truck comes, sucks it all up, 00:48:01.166 --> 00:48:03.867

and then they take it. Wherever they take it, I guess, I don’t

00:48:03.867 --> 00:48:07.533

know, um, but yeah, we, we use a separate business for that.

00:48:07.533 --> 00:48:11.000

So the tank that store those chemicals underground or is it 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.533

uh? Where we’re just pumping out sand, honestly. It’s just

00:48:15.533 --> 00:48:17.734

all like rocks and sand and stuff like that. So that’s

00:48:17.734 --> 00:48:21.467

pretty much what we’re pumping out, um. When, when we, when we 00:48:21.467 --> 00:48:25.834

say pump out, it’s just debris and sand that builds up on cars,

00:48:25.834 --> 00:48:29.233

so. So it’s not like chemicals were pumping out and it is just

00:48:29.233 --> 00:48:39.100

sand. OK. Thanks. Yep. I, uh, I didn’t see a sight lighting, uh, 00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:43.934

plan, so, uh, the lighting plan will uh meet the standards. uh, 00:48:43.934 --> 00:48:49.300

I saw on the rendering light pole but and it also appears to

00:48:49.300 --> 00:48:52.634

be you know metric plan included, um, with the 00:48:52.634 --> 00:48:56.133

submission, and if that wasn’t provided. We can provide that

00:48:56.133 --> 00:49:01.467

to you, but the applicant did provide a photometric plan and 00:49:01.467 --> 00:49:11.467

that was reviewed. OK, perfect. OK. Any uh, any other questions? 00:49:11.467 --> 00:49:25.266

Right. I’m not sure I’m not sure if you closed the public 00:49:25.266 --> 00:49:30.800

hearing, just one of the I didn’t. I don’t think you did. 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.634

Sounds great. Yes, please come to the podium. I thought I did,

00:49:35.634 --> 00:49:42.000

but maybe I might have missed it, so maybe I didn’t and So 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:48.934

it’s perfect timing. Because my air. Good evening, Margaret

00:49:48.934 --> 00:49:53.767

School mesters 8225109th Place North, and I’m closer to the 00:49:53.767 --> 00:50:01.266

proposed, um. Car wash then my uh fellow chaplain person. Um, 00:50:01.266 --> 00:50:05.200

And perhaps you did already canceled, but an an item came