00:00:06.015 --> 00:00:14.323 Hm, uh, we'll call the meeting to order at uh. 7:01 p.m. We'll 00:00:14.325 --> 00:00:23.199 to order at uh. 7:01 p.m. We'll start with roll call. Kevin, 00:00:23.201 --> 00:00:26.202 start with roll call. Kevin, excused. Commissioner Wacko 00:00:26.204 --> 00:00:31.607 excused. Commissioner Wacko present. Commissioner Barr 00:00:31.609 --> 00:00:36.212 present. Commissioner Barr Commissioner Corroso. 00:00:36.214 --> 00:00:40.950 Commissioner Corroso. Commissioner Fraser. present. 00:00:40.952 --> 00:00:48.891 Commissioner Fraser. present. Commissioner Araja. right Good. 00:00:48.893 --> 00:00:51.827 Commissioner Araja. right Good. Thanks. Thank you. Commissioner 00:00:51.829 --> 00:00:56.699 Thanks. Thank you. Commissioner Odoma. Yeah. Commissioner guy 00:00:56.701 --> 00:01:02.438 Odoma. Yeah. Commissioner guy by? To Commissioner Turner. 00:01:02.440 --> 00:01:07.510 by? To Commissioner Turner. Excused Consular, yeah. Thank 00:01:07.512 --> 00:01:08.711 Excused Consular, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, we have a call. 00:01:08.713 --> 00:01:11.881 you. Yeah, we have a call. Thank you. Please stand for the 00:01:11.883 --> 00:01:19.054 Thank you. Please stand for the pleasure of allegiance. the 00:01:19.056 --> 00:01:41.076 pleasure of allegiance. the United States. I. for all. Look 00:01:41.078 --> 00:01:43.012 United States. I. for all. Look All right, we'll move on to 00:01:43.014 --> 00:01:46.081 All right, we'll move on to item number 2. Please be 00:01:46.083 --> 00:01:48.918 item number 2. Please be advised that the public hearing 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:50.286 advised that the public hearing are recording and televised 00:01:50.288 --> 00:01:51.854 are recording and televised live on cable television and 00:01:51.856 --> 00:01:54.357 live on cable television and web stream over the Internet at 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:56.158 web stream over the Internet at Brooklyn Park.org. 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Please sign the public hearing log on the 00:02:16.948 --> 00:02:18.714 the public hearing log on the table near the entrance of the 00:02:18.716 --> 00:02:23.152 table near the entrance of the council chambers. If you are 00:02:23.154 --> 00:02:25.487 council chambers. If you are attendant in person to ensure 00:02:25.489 --> 00:02:26.488 attendant in person to ensure accuracy of name and address in 00:02:26.490 --> 00:02:30.225 accuracy of name and address in the public record. Please note 00:02:30.227 --> 00:02:32.561 the public record. Please note that the agenda for tonight's 00:02:32.563 --> 00:02:34.130 that the agenda for tonight's meeting indicate that the 00:02:34.132 --> 00:02:38.034 meeting indicate that the commission chair has the 00:02:38.036 --> 00:02:40.570 commission chair has the prerogative to institute a 00:02:40.572 --> 00:02:42.004 prerogative to institute a Limits on speaking during any 00:02:42.006 --> 00:02:46.241 Limits on speaking during any public hearing. In the interest 00:02:46.243 --> 00:02:49.845 public hearing. In the interest of remaining um. Maintaining a 00:02:49.847 --> 00:02:52.548 of remaining um. Maintaining a focus, um, And the effective 00:02:52.550 --> 00:02:55.184 focus, um, And the effective use of time. Thank you in 00:02:55.186 --> 00:02:58.854 use of time. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. 00:02:58.856 --> 00:02:59.788 advance for your cooperation. The planning commission 00:02:59.790 --> 00:03:01.390 The planning commission consists of 9 resident 00:03:01.392 --> 00:03:02.458 consists of 9 resident volunteer members appointed by 00:03:02.460 --> 00:03:05.894 volunteer members appointed by the city council. To advise the 00:03:05.896 --> 00:03:08.196 the city council. To advise the city council of planning and 00:03:08.198 --> 00:03:14.336 city council of planning and land use issues. The commission 00:03:14.338 --> 00:03:15.738 land use issues. The commission discusses and evaluates 00:03:15.740 --> 00:03:20.042 discusses and evaluates development proposal based on 00:03:20.044 --> 00:03:21.944 development proposal based on zoning regulation and 00:03:21.946 --> 00:03:22.978 zoning regulation and comprehensive plan policies. 00:03:22.980 --> 00:03:25.914 comprehensive plan policies. The planning commission. Vote 00:03:25.916 --> 00:03:28.384 The planning commission. Vote is a recommendation. That is 00:03:28.386 --> 00:03:32.755 is a recommendation. That is forwarded to the city council. 00:03:32.757 --> 00:03:34.290 forwarded to the city council. For official uh and final 00:03:34.292 --> 00:03:39.862 For official uh and final action. Thank you. We'll move 00:03:39.864 --> 00:03:41.764 action. Thank you. We'll move on to approval of the agenda. 00:03:41.766 --> 00:03:43.532 on to approval of the agenda. Do you have any additions to 00:03:43.534 --> 00:03:49.472 Do you have any additions to the agenda? He none I'll accept 00:03:49.474 --> 00:03:50.673 the agenda? He none I'll accept the motion to approve the 00:03:50.675 --> 00:03:53.409 the motion to approve the agenda as is. You have a second 00:03:53.411 --> 00:03:58.080 agenda as is. You have a second Like a Motion main and 2nd, all 00:03:58.082 --> 00:04:00.416 Like a Motion main and 2nd, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any 00:04:00.418 --> 00:04:12.828 in favor say aye. Aye. Any oppose? Motion passes. We'll 00:04:12.830 --> 00:04:15.965 oppose? Motion passes. We'll move on to consent item number 00:04:15.967 --> 00:04:18.234 move on to consent item number 4, approval of the amendments 00:04:18.236 --> 00:04:24.072 4, approval of the amendments from January 8th. Any changes, 00:04:24.074 --> 00:04:31.781 from January 8th. Any changes, corrections to the uh minutes. 00:04:31.783 --> 00:04:33.783 corrections to the uh minutes. I have a motion. I make a 00:04:33.785 --> 00:04:34.783 I have a motion. I make a motion to approve the minutes 00:04:34.785 --> 00:04:38.687 motion to approve the minutes as presented. OK Motion made 00:04:38.689 --> 00:04:42.858 as presented. OK Motion made and 2nd. All in favor, say I. 00:04:42.860 --> 00:04:51.934 and 2nd. All in favor, say I. Any opposed? Motion passes. I 00:04:51.936 --> 00:04:54.136 Any opposed? Motion passes. I also like to recognize 00:04:54.138 --> 00:04:55.504 also like to recognize Commissioner Corroso joined us. 00:04:55.506 --> 00:05:04.346 Commissioner Corroso joined us. For records. Thank you All 00:05:04.348 --> 00:05:06.682 For records. Thank you All right, we'll move on to item 00:05:06.684 --> 00:05:09.084 right, we'll move on to item number 5, our public hearing. 00:05:09.086 --> 00:05:34.510 number 5, our public hearing. We'll start with item 5.1. OK. 00:05:34.512 --> 00:05:35.577 We'll start with item 5.1. OK. Good evening, Chair Frazier, 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:36.645 Good evening, Chair Frazier, members of the planning 00:05:36.647 --> 00:05:37.980 members of the planning commission for the record, Kara 00:05:37.982 --> 00:05:38.781 commission for the record, Kara Donovan, senior planner with 00:05:38.783 --> 00:05:40.649 Donovan, senior planner with the planning division. 00:05:40.651 --> 00:05:42.518 the planning division. Presenting a variance request 00:05:42.520 --> 00:05:44.586 Presenting a variance request as case number 25102 for True 00:05:44.588 --> 00:05:46.822 as case number 25102 for True Blue. The applicant proposes 3 00:05:46.824 --> 00:05:50.625 Blue. The applicant proposes 3 12-foot freestanding signs. The 00:05:50.627 --> 00:05:52.094 12-foot freestanding signs. The site is located on Edinburgh 00:05:52.096 --> 00:05:53.295 site is located on Edinburgh Center Drive north of 00:05:53.297 --> 00:05:54.630 Center Drive north of Eighty-fifth and just west of 00:05:54.632 --> 00:05:59.067 Eighty-fifth and just west of Highway 252? The subject 00:05:59.069 --> 00:06:00.402 Highway 252? The subject property is 1.86 acres and 00:06:00.404 --> 00:06:05.240 property is 1.86 acres and abuts commercial properties. 00:06:05.242 --> 00:06:06.809 abuts commercial properties. The parcel is zoned general 00:06:06.811 --> 00:06:08.644 The parcel is zoned general business district or B3, all 00:06:08.646 --> 00:06:09.545 business district or B3, all surrounding properties are also 00:06:09.547 --> 00:06:14.383 surrounding properties are also zoned B3. In February 2024, a 00:06:14.385 --> 00:06:15.417 zoned B3. In February 2024, a site plan was approved for a 00:06:15.419 --> 00:06:17.252 site plan was approved for a car wash on this site. The 00:06:17.254 --> 00:06:18.253 car wash on this site. The applicant is requesting 00:06:18.255 --> 00:06:19.722 applicant is requesting approval for a variance request 00:06:19.724 --> 00:06:20.656 approval for a variance request for 3 12-foot freestanding 00:06:20.658 --> 00:06:21.857 for 3 12-foot freestanding signs in the northeast corner 00:06:21.859 --> 00:06:23.191 signs in the northeast corner of the property as circled on 00:06:23.193 --> 00:06:27.596 of the property as circled on the screen. The proposed 00:06:27.598 --> 00:06:28.363 the screen. The proposed freestanding signs would direct 00:06:28.365 --> 00:06:29.398 freestanding signs would direct drivers to one of 3 lanes, all 00:06:29.400 --> 00:06:31.300 drivers to one of 3 lanes, all of which would serve as 00:06:31.302 --> 00:06:32.734 of which would serve as clearance bars to ensure 00:06:32.736 --> 00:06:33.636 clearance bars to ensure oversized vehicles do not enter 00:06:33.638 --> 00:06:36.305 oversized vehicles do not enter the car wash. The request would 00:06:36.307 --> 00:06:37.706 the car wash. The request would require a deviation from two 00:06:37.708 --> 00:06:39.741 require a deviation from two city codes. One deviation is 00:06:39.743 --> 00:06:42.244 city codes. One deviation is from chapter 150, section 28, 00:06:42.246 --> 00:06:43.813 from chapter 150, section 28, which allows one freestanding 00:06:43.815 --> 00:06:45.414 which allows one freestanding or monument sign on the site 00:06:45.416 --> 00:06:47.616 or monument sign on the site and a second deviation is 00:06:47.618 --> 00:06:48.917 and a second deviation is required from chapter 150, 00:06:48.919 --> 00:06:51.186 required from chapter 150, section 4, which restricts 00:06:51.188 --> 00:06:51.854 section 4, which restricts freestanding signs to 6 ft 00:06:51.856 --> 00:06:56.091 freestanding signs to 6 ft above grade. This is a general 00:06:56.093 --> 00:06:57.459 above grade. This is a general rendering uh of the structure 00:06:57.461 --> 00:07:01.230 rendering uh of the structure provided by the applicants? And 00:07:01.232 --> 00:07:02.565 provided by the applicants? And variances may be granted when 00:07:02.567 --> 00:07:04.566 variances may be granted when the variance request meets all 00:07:04.568 --> 00:07:05.701 the variance request meets all three factors of the 00:07:05.703 --> 00:07:07.035 three factors of the three-factor testing on the 00:07:07.037 --> 00:07:09.939 three-factor testing on the screen, um, as related to 00:07:09.941 --> 00:07:11.373 screen, um, as related to practical difficulties. So the 00:07:11.375 --> 00:07:12.741 practical difficulties. So the first test is reasonableness or 00:07:12.743 --> 00:07:14.743 first test is reasonableness or is the use practical. Staff 00:07:14.745 --> 00:07:16.011 is the use practical. Staff believed that the freestanding 00:07:16.013 --> 00:07:16.678 believed that the freestanding sign is reasonable to support 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.515 sign is reasonable to support the business? The second factor 00:07:19.517 --> 00:07:21.650 the business? The second factor is uniqueness. Are there unique 00:07:21.652 --> 00:07:22.717 is uniqueness. Are there unique physical characteristics 00:07:22.719 --> 00:07:23.852 physical characteristics impacting the property staff 00:07:23.854 --> 00:07:24.854 impacting the property staff believe the drive-through car 00:07:24.856 --> 00:07:26.922 believe the drive-through car wash makes the request for 00:07:26.924 --> 00:07:27.456 wash makes the request for signs directing drivers 00:07:27.458 --> 00:07:29.758 signs directing drivers reasonable? And the 3 requests 00:07:29.760 --> 00:07:34.396 reasonable? And the 3 requests is. this. And the third test is 00:07:34.398 --> 00:07:35.397 is. this. And the third test is a central characteristics of 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:36.865 a central characteristics of the neighborhood and whether or 00:07:36.867 --> 00:07:38.667 the neighborhood and whether or not this would uh be 00:07:38.669 --> 00:07:39.868 not this would uh be inconsistent with the 00:07:39.870 --> 00:07:41.604 inconsistent with the development around the the site, 00:07:41.606 --> 00:07:42.738 development around the the site, um, staff believe this request 00:07:42.740 --> 00:07:44.206 um, staff believe this request is not going to alter the 00:07:44.208 --> 00:07:45.608 is not going to alter the essential characteristic of the 00:07:45.610 --> 00:07:47.042 essential characteristic of the neighborhood and the signs do 00:07:47.044 --> 00:07:48.244 neighborhood and the signs do not exceed the height of the 00:07:48.246 --> 00:07:54.482 not exceed the height of the approved building on site. Uh, 00:07:54.484 --> 00:07:55.417 approved building on site. Uh, staff recommends approval of 00:07:55.419 --> 00:07:57.018 staff recommends approval of the variance request with 00:07:57.020 --> 00:07:58.486 the variance request with conditions as listed in the 00:07:58.488 --> 00:08:00.422 conditions as listed in the draft resolution, and this 00:08:00.424 --> 00:08:02.024 draft resolution, and this concludes staff's presentation. 00:08:02.026 --> 00:08:05.327 concludes staff's presentation. Thank you. Is the applicant 00:08:05.329 --> 00:08:07.062 Thank you. Is the applicant here tonight to speak to the 00:08:07.064 --> 00:08:08.197 here tonight to speak to the application. The applicant is 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:08.730 application. The applicant is online and available for 00:08:08.732 --> 00:08:15.938 online and available for questions. Would you like to, 00:08:15.940 --> 00:08:18.007 questions. Would you like to, do you have any comments? At 00:08:18.009 --> 00:08:26.482 do you have any comments? At this time? You none will open 00:08:26.484 --> 00:08:30.952 this time? You none will open up the public. For any comments 00:08:30.954 --> 00:08:32.154 up the public. For any comments from the public. Anyone wants 00:08:32.156 --> 00:08:35.824 from the public. Anyone wants to, um, speak to this, um, 00:08:35.826 --> 00:08:36.492 to, um, speak to this, um, application. Any comments from 00:08:36.494 --> 00:08:41.463 application. Any comments from the public? Here none will 00:08:41.465 --> 00:08:42.898 the public? Here none will close the public forum and 00:08:42.900 --> 00:08:44.633 close the public forum and bring it back to the commission. 00:08:44.635 --> 00:08:58.847 bring it back to the commission. Mhm Any questions? Yes, I have 00:08:58.849 --> 00:09:00.749 Mhm Any questions? Yes, I have a question if you, if you go 00:09:00.751 --> 00:09:01.917 a question if you, if you go back to the slide prior to this. 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:11.827 back to the slide prior to this. Uh Yeah, in terms of, uh, Uh 00:09:11.829 --> 00:09:12.527 Uh Yeah, in terms of, uh, Uh Reasonableness is this unique 00:09:12.529 --> 00:09:16.198 Reasonableness is this unique part. Uh, are there, are there 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:17.265 part. Uh, are there, are there any standing right now over 00:09:17.267 --> 00:09:19.535 any standing right now over there? or this is the 3rd 00:09:19.537 --> 00:09:22.104 there? or this is the 3rd standing they were heard. This 00:09:22.106 --> 00:09:23.739 standing they were heard. This is the 3 standing or 3rd sign 00:09:23.741 --> 00:09:26.241 is the 3 standing or 3rd sign standing or? Um, thank you, 00:09:26.243 --> 00:09:27.176 standing or? Um, thank you, Chair of Asian members of the 00:09:27.178 --> 00:09:28.910 Chair of Asian members of the planning commission. There's 00:09:28.912 --> 00:09:29.712 planning commission. There's currently development happening 00:09:29.714 --> 00:09:32.013 currently development happening on site to for the pre-approved, 00:09:32.015 --> 00:09:33.248 on site to for the pre-approved, uh, site plan, but there's 00:09:33.250 --> 00:09:34.650 uh, site plan, but there's nothing on site at this time. 00:09:34.652 --> 00:09:42.457 nothing on site at this time. OK. OK, that's good. Thanks. 00:09:42.459 --> 00:09:48.196 OK. OK, that's good. Thanks. Right, Commissioner by. OK. 00:09:48.198 --> 00:09:49.765 Right, Commissioner by. OK. Yeah, thank you for that 00:09:49.767 --> 00:09:54.103 Yeah, thank you for that presentation, uh. So the area 00:09:54.105 --> 00:09:57.105 presentation, uh. So the area now is that. within a 00:09:57.107 --> 00:09:58.107 now is that. within a residential area or in a 00:09:58.109 --> 00:10:02.511 residential area or in a business area. Thank you, Cha 00:10:02.513 --> 00:10:04.546 business area. Thank you, Cha Char Frazier and commissioner, 00:10:04.548 --> 00:10:05.981 Char Frazier and commissioner, um, the surrounding properties 00:10:05.983 --> 00:10:07.949 um, the surrounding properties are all business district, so 00:10:07.951 --> 00:10:08.616 are all business district, so all commercial surrounding the 00:10:08.618 --> 00:10:12.487 all commercial surrounding the property. OK. And right now 00:10:12.489 --> 00:10:13.388 property. OK. And right now there is nothing within that 00:10:13.390 --> 00:10:15.457 there is nothing within that space. It's currently under 00:10:15.459 --> 00:10:20.428 space. It's currently under construction. OK. Mhm OK, thank 00:10:20.430 --> 00:10:24.666 construction. OK. Mhm OK, thank you for now, yeah. I have a 00:10:24.668 --> 00:10:27.736 you for now, yeah. I have a question. I think this goes to 00:10:27.738 --> 00:10:30.472 question. I think this goes to the um staff um. I'm curious as 00:10:30.474 --> 00:10:33.942 the um staff um. I'm curious as to this variant if it's common 00:10:33.944 --> 00:10:37.579 to this variant if it's common for, uh, To exceed that 6 ft, 00:10:37.581 --> 00:10:42.017 for, uh, To exceed that 6 ft, um. Limit for these types of 00:10:42.019 --> 00:10:44.953 um. Limit for these types of signs where, um, You know, it's, 00:10:44.955 --> 00:10:46.422 signs where, um, You know, it's, it's a clearance sign, 00:10:46.424 --> 00:10:48.290 it's a clearance sign, basically, and I'm, I'm so I'm 00:10:48.292 --> 00:10:51.693 basically, and I'm, I'm so I'm curious is if it's If this is a 00:10:51.695 --> 00:10:55.130 curious is if it's If this is a unique situation or if other um 00:10:55.132 --> 00:10:56.998 unique situation or if other um businesses like this would fall 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:02.070 businesses like this would fall within that same sort of um um 00:11:02.072 --> 00:11:03.772 within that same sort of um um challenge and if so, is that 00:11:03.774 --> 00:11:06.407 challenge and if so, is that something that you're thinking 00:11:06.409 --> 00:11:07.809 something that you're thinking about just looking at your, 00:11:07.811 --> 00:11:09.311 about just looking at your, your zoning, um, in regards to 00:11:09.313 --> 00:11:13.782 your zoning, um, in regards to this. Thank you, uh, Chair 00:11:13.784 --> 00:11:15.383 this. Thank you, uh, Chair Frazier, I believe that we will 00:11:15.385 --> 00:11:16.852 Frazier, I believe that we will need to revisit the sign code 00:11:16.854 --> 00:11:18.253 need to revisit the sign code to allow for clearance bars as 00:11:18.255 --> 00:11:19.254 to allow for clearance bars as we continue to see more 00:11:19.256 --> 00:11:20.922 we continue to see more applicants of this type. Thank 00:11:20.924 --> 00:11:27.629 applicants of this type. Thank you. Any other questions, 00:11:27.631 --> 00:11:31.600 you. Any other questions, comments from the commission. 00:11:31.602 --> 00:11:35.871 comments from the commission. Sorry about that. Uh How is it 00:11:35.873 --> 00:11:36.938 Sorry about that. Uh How is it I access in and out of this 00:11:36.940 --> 00:11:39.240 I access in and out of this place. compared with the 00:11:39.242 --> 00:11:46.347 place. compared with the existing. Businesses How, how, 00:11:46.349 --> 00:11:50.251 existing. Businesses How, how, how is a view is, is, will it 00:11:50.253 --> 00:11:52.086 how is a view is, is, will it be reasonable with that it's 00:11:52.088 --> 00:11:53.355 be reasonable with that it's traffic, I'm talking about 00:11:53.357 --> 00:11:54.690 traffic, I'm talking about traffic in and out of because 00:11:54.692 --> 00:11:59.194 traffic in and out of because it's a if it is a car wash. OK, 00:11:59.196 --> 00:12:01.697 it's a if it is a car wash. OK, so, how has it been revealed? 00:12:01.699 --> 00:12:02.964 so, how has it been revealed? Thank you to Fraser and 00:12:02.966 --> 00:12:05.100 Thank you to Fraser and commissioner, um, the site plan 00:12:05.102 --> 00:12:06.969 commissioner, um, the site plan was approved in February 2024 00:12:06.971 --> 00:12:08.103 was approved in February 2024 where the staff did review for 00:12:08.105 --> 00:12:09.505 where the staff did review for traffic, so at this time we're 00:12:09.507 --> 00:12:10.038 traffic, so at this time we're only reviewing the sign 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:17.913 only reviewing the sign variants. Any other questions 00:12:17.915 --> 00:12:29.524 variants. Any other questions or comments? Right. If there 00:12:29.526 --> 00:12:31.293 or comments? Right. If there are no further discussion, I'll, 00:12:31.295 --> 00:12:35.664 are no further discussion, I'll, uh, accept the motion. Go ahead. 00:12:35.666 --> 00:12:49.311 uh, accept the motion. Go ahead. Mo Motion Motion to recommend 00:12:49.313 --> 00:12:51.179 Mo Motion Motion to recommend adoption of findings of the 00:12:51.181 --> 00:12:54.550 adoption of findings of the fact for the approval of 00:12:54.552 --> 00:12:56.618 fact for the approval of variance requests for free 00:12:56.620 --> 00:12:58.020 variance requests for free standing sign subject to 00:12:58.022 --> 00:12:58.754 standing sign subject to conditions in the draft 00:12:58.756 --> 00:13:04.259 conditions in the draft resolution. of a second. OK, 00:13:04.261 --> 00:13:08.529 resolution. of a second. OK, motion made and 2. All in favor, 00:13:08.531 --> 00:13:15.103 motion made and 2. All in favor, say I. And he oppose? Emotion 00:13:15.105 --> 00:13:18.507 say I. And he oppose? Emotion passes. When will this go to 00:13:18.509 --> 00:13:20.909 passes. When will this go to council? This will go to 00:13:20.911 --> 00:13:22.911 council? This will go to council on February 24th. All 00:13:22.913 --> 00:13:32.988 council on February 24th. All right. Thank you. You. All 00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:34.722 right. Thank you. You. All right, we'll move on to item 00:13:34.724 --> 00:13:42.563 right, we'll move on to item 5.2. Good evening, uh, Chair 00:13:42.565 --> 00:13:43.365 5.2. Good evening, uh, Chair Frasier, members of the 00:13:43.367 --> 00:13:44.699 Frasier, members of the planning commission for the 00:13:44.701 --> 00:13:46.567 planning commission for the record, uh, Matt Hayes Frein, 00:13:46.569 --> 00:13:49.337 record, uh, Matt Hayes Frein, associate planner. Uh, 00:13:49.339 --> 00:13:51.206 associate planner. Uh, presenting JC writers, a 00:13:51.208 --> 00:13:53.975 presenting JC writers, a conditional use permit at 8432 00:13:53.977 --> 00:13:58.913 conditional use permit at 8432 Xerxes Avenue North. Um, JC's 00:13:58.915 --> 00:14:00.882 Xerxes Avenue North. Um, JC's right, JC rider's motorcycle 00:14:00.884 --> 00:14:02.450 right, JC rider's motorcycle Club is a nonprofit 00:14:02.452 --> 00:14:03.318 Club is a nonprofit organization, applying for a 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:04.786 organization, applying for a conditional use permit to 00:14:04.788 --> 00:14:06.655 conditional use permit to operate as a social club and a 00:14:06.657 --> 00:14:09.457 operate as a social club and a banquet hall for private events 00:14:09.459 --> 00:14:12.761 banquet hall for private events at 8432 Xerxes Avenue. This map, 00:14:12.763 --> 00:14:14.162 at 8432 Xerxes Avenue. This map, uh, provides a general overview 00:14:14.164 --> 00:14:15.764 uh, provides a general overview of where JC Riders intends to 00:14:15.766 --> 00:14:18.634 of where JC Riders intends to operate. This application is to 00:14:18.636 --> 00:14:20.435 operate. This application is to bring the subject property into 00:14:20.437 --> 00:14:22.137 bring the subject property into compliance, as there has never 00:14:22.139 --> 00:14:23.939 compliance, as there has never been a conditional use permit 00:14:23.941 --> 00:14:25.407 been a conditional use permit issued to this site for the 00:14:25.409 --> 00:14:26.875 issued to this site for the operation of either a social 00:14:26.877 --> 00:14:33.415 operation of either a social club or a banquet hall. 843 2 00:14:33.417 --> 00:14:35.083 club or a banquet hall. 843 2 Xerxes Avenue North is one 00:14:35.085 --> 00:14:36.351 Xerxes Avenue North is one parcel located in the Xerxes 00:14:36.353 --> 00:14:39.354 parcel located in the Xerxes Phoenix edition? The Xerxes 00:14:39.356 --> 00:14:40.822 Phoenix edition? The Xerxes Phoenix edition was developed 00:14:40.824 --> 00:14:42.457 Phoenix edition was developed in 2006 as a multi-tenant 00:14:42.459 --> 00:14:46.361 in 2006 as a multi-tenant retail building. Property is 00:14:46.363 --> 00:14:48.730 retail building. Property is 2.12 acres, and it is located 00:14:48.732 --> 00:14:49.764 2.12 acres, and it is located southeast of Eighty-fifth 00:14:49.766 --> 00:14:52.267 southeast of Eighty-fifth Avenue and Xerxes Avenue. It is 00:14:52.269 --> 00:14:57.072 Avenue and Xerxes Avenue. It is in the Norwood neighborhood. 00:14:57.074 --> 00:14:59.874 in the Norwood neighborhood. Its location is in the city's, 00:14:59.876 --> 00:15:00.375 Its location is in the city's, uh, general business B2 00:15:00.377 --> 00:15:02.344 uh, general business B2 District. The zoning code 00:15:02.346 --> 00:15:04.612 District. The zoning code defines the B2 district as a 00:15:04.614 --> 00:15:06.047 defines the B2 district as a district which encourages 00:15:06.049 --> 00:15:07.982 district which encourages compact centers for retail 00:15:07.984 --> 00:15:10.185 compact centers for retail sales and services that serve 00:15:10.187 --> 00:15:11.353 sales and services that serve the adjacent neighborhoods and 00:15:11.355 --> 00:15:12.687 the adjacent neighborhoods and to preserve and protect the 00:15:12.689 --> 00:15:13.622 to preserve and protect the general character of the 00:15:13.624 --> 00:15:16.491 general character of the adjacent areas. Social clubs 00:15:16.493 --> 00:15:17.726 adjacent areas. Social clubs and banquet halls are allowed 00:15:17.728 --> 00:15:19.761 and banquet halls are allowed as a conditional use. In the B2 00:15:19.763 --> 00:15:22.097 as a conditional use. In the B2 districts. As you can see from 00:15:22.099 --> 00:15:24.532 districts. As you can see from the map, um, adjacent zoning 00:15:24.534 --> 00:15:27.402 the map, um, adjacent zoning districts to 8432 Xerxes Avenue, 00:15:27.404 --> 00:15:29.371 districts to 8432 Xerxes Avenue, North include detached single 00:15:29.373 --> 00:15:30.305 North include detached single family and two-family are 3 00:15:30.307 --> 00:15:33.808 family and two-family are 3 districts. Uh, to the north and 00:15:33.810 --> 00:15:35.443 districts. Uh, to the north and south and office park B1 00:15:35.445 --> 00:15:37.279 south and office park B1 districts to the east and west. 00:15:37.281 --> 00:15:40.148 districts to the east and west. You can also see um other 00:15:40.150 --> 00:15:41.483 You can also see um other zoning types, um, outside of 00:15:41.485 --> 00:15:46.955 zoning types, um, outside of this, uh, zoning area as well. 00:15:46.957 --> 00:15:48.323 this, uh, zoning area as well. So staff does um make the 00:15:48.325 --> 00:15:49.824 So staff does um make the recommendation that you did see, 00:15:49.826 --> 00:15:52.761 recommendation that you did see, uh, in your packets, there was, 00:15:52.763 --> 00:15:55.130 uh, in your packets, there was, um, additional information that 00:15:55.132 --> 00:15:57.032 um, additional information that did come in after, um, your 00:15:57.034 --> 00:15:59.434 did come in after, um, your packets to go out, so we did 00:15:59.436 --> 00:16:02.371 packets to go out, so we did just want to um clarify that we 00:16:02.373 --> 00:16:04.072 just want to um clarify that we are seeking an additional 00:16:04.074 --> 00:16:05.407 are seeking an additional condition as part of this 00:16:05.409 --> 00:16:08.810 condition as part of this approval. Um, so the 00:16:08.812 --> 00:16:10.612 approval. Um, so the recommendation is for a 00:16:10.614 --> 00:16:12.580 recommendation is for a resolution recommending a 00:16:12.582 --> 00:16:13.081 resolution recommending a resolution approving a 00:16:13.083 --> 00:16:14.582 resolution approving a conditional use permit for the 00:16:14.584 --> 00:16:15.516 conditional use permit for the operation of a social club and 00:16:15.518 --> 00:16:19.788 operation of a social club and a banquet ha. for private 00:16:19.790 --> 00:16:21.390 a banquet ha. for private events at 8432 Xerxes Avenue 00:16:21.392 --> 00:16:23.258 events at 8432 Xerxes Avenue North, and that is subject to 00:16:23.260 --> 00:16:24.559 North, and that is subject to the conditions um that you saw 00:16:24.561 --> 00:16:27.095 the conditions um that you saw in the draft resolution. That 00:16:27.097 --> 00:16:28.763 in the draft resolution. That also includes uh staff's 00:16:28.765 --> 00:16:30.164 also includes uh staff's recommendation is to include 00:16:30.166 --> 00:16:32.167 recommendation is to include the condition of a certificate 00:16:32.169 --> 00:16:33.869 the condition of a certificate of occupancy must be obtained 00:16:33.871 --> 00:16:36.271 of occupancy must be obtained when the city's building 00:16:36.273 --> 00:16:37.005 when the city's building department prior to operation. 00:16:37.007 --> 00:16:39.808 department prior to operation. Um, and that is consistent with 00:16:39.810 --> 00:16:40.742 Um, and that is consistent with other conditional use, uh, 00:16:40.744 --> 00:16:43.912 other conditional use, uh, permits that we have had. So 00:16:43.914 --> 00:16:48.016 permits that we have had. So with that, um, we do have um. 00:16:48.018 --> 00:16:49.851 with that, um, we do have um. Uh, members or, uh, the 00:16:49.853 --> 00:16:50.919 Uh, members or, uh, the applicants here as well who can 00:16:50.921 --> 00:16:52.353 applicants here as well who can speak to this matter as well, 00:16:52.355 --> 00:16:54.255 speak to this matter as well, so happy to stand for any 00:16:54.257 --> 00:16:55.056 so happy to stand for any questions and this concludes 00:16:55.058 --> 00:16:59.461 questions and this concludes that presentation. Um, does the 00:16:59.463 --> 00:17:00.595 that presentation. Um, does the applicant want to make any 00:17:00.597 --> 00:17:10.104 applicant want to make any comments at this time? OK. All 00:17:10.106 --> 00:17:12.941 comments at this time? OK. All right, so we'll open it up for 00:17:12.943 --> 00:17:14.542 right, so we'll open it up for uh the public now so anyone 00:17:14.544 --> 00:17:16.278 uh the public now so anyone from the public who wants to 00:17:16.280 --> 00:17:17.746 from the public who wants to speak to this application, can 00:17:17.748 --> 00:17:21.683 speak to this application, can go to the podium at this time. 00:17:21.685 --> 00:17:25.053 go to the podium at this time. All right, here are none we'll 00:17:25.055 --> 00:17:26.221 All right, here are none we'll close the public forum and 00:17:26.223 --> 00:17:27.088 close the public forum and bring it back to the 00:17:27.090 --> 00:17:31.225 bring it back to the commissioners. Any questions or 00:17:31.227 --> 00:17:41.936 commissioners. Any questions or comments? Have one. Um Uh, 00:17:41.938 --> 00:17:44.438 comments? Have one. Um Uh, thank, thank you very much, um, 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:45.740 thank, thank you very much, um, any business coming to the 00:17:45.742 --> 00:17:47.776 any business coming to the Brooklyn Park area. It always 00:17:47.778 --> 00:17:51.112 Brooklyn Park area. It always welcome, but I have a A 00:17:51.114 --> 00:17:53.514 welcome, but I have a A question or two, number one, 00:17:53.516 --> 00:17:55.917 question or two, number one, the nature of the business says 00:17:55.919 --> 00:17:57.118 the nature of the business says it's gonna be uh social club. 00:17:57.120 --> 00:18:02.424 it's gonna be uh social club. Can you, uh, Uh, kind of, uh, 00:18:02.426 --> 00:18:03.725 Can you, uh, Uh, kind of, uh, explain more of what that. 00:18:03.727 --> 00:18:05.760 explain more of what that. means, you know, in context to 00:18:05.762 --> 00:18:07.362 means, you know, in context to this business. Is it a dancing 00:18:07.364 --> 00:18:14.502 this business. Is it a dancing social club, uh, Uh, uh. What 00:18:14.504 --> 00:18:17.405 social club, uh, Uh, uh. What do you mean by, by, by that, so 00:18:17.407 --> 00:18:19.340 do you mean by, by, by that, so Chair Frasier, um, members of 00:18:19.342 --> 00:18:21.209 Chair Frasier, um, members of the planning commission. um, so 00:18:21.211 --> 00:18:22.377 the planning commission. um, so this is a nonprofit 00:18:22.379 --> 00:18:23.345 this is a nonprofit organization, um, and there was 00:18:23.347 --> 00:18:24.312 organization, um, and there was an overview included in the 00:18:24.314 --> 00:18:26.681 an overview included in the packet, um. I do, I don't know 00:18:26.683 --> 00:18:28.717 packet, um. I do, I don't know Dean, if you want to speak to 00:18:28.719 --> 00:18:30.185 Dean, if you want to speak to the nature of um the type of um. 00:18:30.187 --> 00:18:34.422 the nature of um the type of um. Uh, events that you're looking 00:18:34.424 --> 00:18:36.124 Uh, events that you're looking to host ultimately, but I, I 00:18:36.126 --> 00:18:38.059 to host ultimately, but I, I know it primarily functions as 00:18:38.061 --> 00:18:41.830 know it primarily functions as a motorcycle, um, club, and um. 00:18:41.832 --> 00:18:44.265 a motorcycle, um, club, and um. It, it would have its patrons 00:18:44.267 --> 00:18:47.168 It, it would have its patrons that I understand are primarily 00:18:47.170 --> 00:18:49.070 that I understand are primarily uh military veterans, um, as a 00:18:49.072 --> 00:18:49.804 uh military veterans, um, as a gathering spot for their 00:18:49.806 --> 00:18:51.072 gathering spot for their organization, and it would be a 00:18:51.074 --> 00:18:55.343 organization, and it would be a private organization. OK, um, I 00:18:55.345 --> 00:18:57.579 private organization. OK, um, I get that, so this will not 00:18:57.581 --> 00:18:58.346 get that, so this will not necessarily be open to uh to to 00:18:58.348 --> 00:19:00.548 necessarily be open to uh to to the public. It's gonna be, uh, 00:19:00.550 --> 00:19:04.418 the public. It's gonna be, uh, you know, like a private club 00:19:04.420 --> 00:19:06.921 you know, like a private club with a distinct membership. Uh, 00:19:06.923 --> 00:19:07.855 with a distinct membership. Uh, Frazier, uh, members of the 00:19:07.857 --> 00:19:09.090 Frazier, uh, members of the planning commission, that, that 00:19:09.092 --> 00:19:11.292 planning commission, that, that is my understanding. is that 00:19:11.294 --> 00:19:13.261 is my understanding. is that this would be um available to 00:19:13.263 --> 00:19:17.031 this would be um available to private club members. OK, yeah. 00:19:17.033 --> 00:19:19.400 private club members. OK, yeah. Mr. Chair, or Chair Fraser 00:19:19.402 --> 00:19:20.602 Mr. Chair, or Chair Fraser rather, um, and Commissioner 00:19:20.604 --> 00:19:22.337 rather, um, and Commissioner Odama, if I could add to that, 00:19:22.339 --> 00:19:23.738 Odama, if I could add to that, um, you know, the, the 00:19:23.740 --> 00:19:25.206 um, you know, the, the conditional use permit is, is 00:19:25.208 --> 00:19:26.474 conditional use permit is, is for, it's for two different 00:19:26.476 --> 00:19:27.609 for, it's for two different uses, so there's the social 00:19:27.611 --> 00:19:30.078 uses, so there's the social club that you're asking about, 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:31.046 club that you're asking about, um, and, and that, that's the 00:19:31.048 --> 00:19:32.681 um, and, and that, that's the aspect that is the, the private 00:19:32.683 --> 00:19:35.750 aspect that is the, the private part. The second condition you 00:19:35.752 --> 00:19:36.250 part. The second condition you conditionally use permit 00:19:36.252 --> 00:19:38.519 conditionally use permit requests. It's for a banquet 00:19:38.521 --> 00:19:40.889 requests. It's for a banquet hall, and that gives them, that 00:19:40.891 --> 00:19:43.858 hall, and that gives them, that gives the applicant. The right 00:19:43.860 --> 00:19:45.794 gives the applicant. The right to to have events there that, 00:19:45.796 --> 00:19:48.062 to to have events there that, that could be, um, this isn't. 00:19:48.064 --> 00:19:49.530 that could be, um, this isn't. This isn't to say that this is 00:19:49.532 --> 00:19:50.498 This isn't to say that this is how they would operate, but 00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:52.667 how they would operate, but they would have the option to, 00:19:52.669 --> 00:19:54.836 they would have the option to, you know, rent the space out 00:19:54.838 --> 00:19:57.372 you know, rent the space out for events by third parties, uh, 00:19:57.374 --> 00:19:58.706 for events by third parties, uh, with that, um. With a banquet 00:19:58.708 --> 00:20:04.045 with that, um. With a banquet hall. OK, uh, thank you. Just 00:20:04.047 --> 00:20:06.381 hall. OK, uh, thank you. Just another follow up when you rent 00:20:06.383 --> 00:20:09.917 another follow up when you rent the event, I noticed something 00:20:09.919 --> 00:20:12.587 the event, I noticed something here that uh do they have a 00:20:12.589 --> 00:20:14.489 here that uh do they have a liquor license or they have the 00:20:14.491 --> 00:20:15.790 liquor license or they have the ability in the future to uh to 00:20:15.792 --> 00:20:18.726 ability in the future to uh to apply for that. Uh, Chair 00:20:18.728 --> 00:20:19.694 apply for that. Uh, Chair Frazier, members of the 00:20:19.696 --> 00:20:20.829 Frazier, members of the planning commission, uh, 00:20:20.831 --> 00:20:22.130 planning commission, uh, there's not currently a liquor 00:20:22.132 --> 00:20:23.031 there's not currently a liquor license assigned to this 00:20:23.033 --> 00:20:24.766 license assigned to this property. So that would be a 00:20:24.768 --> 00:20:25.533 property. So that would be a separate application. I mean 00:20:25.535 --> 00:20:26.534 separate application. I mean that is not being considered 00:20:26.536 --> 00:20:29.871 that is not being considered tonight. OK, thank you. I just 00:20:29.873 --> 00:20:35.810 tonight. OK, thank you. I just saw that in passing. Thank you. 00:20:35.812 --> 00:20:42.483 saw that in passing. Thank you. Any other questions, comments? 00:20:42.485 --> 00:20:48.623 Any other questions, comments? Have one. Uh Just to follow up 00:20:48.625 --> 00:20:49.223 Have one. Uh Just to follow up with the commissioner's 00:20:49.225 --> 00:20:50.558 with the commissioner's question, if you, if somebody 00:20:50.560 --> 00:20:55.330 question, if you, if somebody speak to The nonprofits. Self, 00:20:55.332 --> 00:20:57.231 speak to The nonprofits. Self, you know, with the nonprofits, 00:20:57.233 --> 00:20:59.667 you know, with the nonprofits, uh, kind of. I, I heard, you 00:20:59.669 --> 00:21:02.570 uh, kind of. I, I heard, you know, it was this is a private 00:21:02.572 --> 00:21:04.506 know, it was this is a private social club or nonprofits. 00:21:04.508 --> 00:21:06.007 social club or nonprofits. There are various definition of 00:21:06.009 --> 00:21:08.776 There are various definition of nonprofits. And can somebody 00:21:08.778 --> 00:21:10.378 nonprofits. And can somebody speak to that? What, what kind 00:21:10.380 --> 00:21:13.581 speak to that? What, what kind of nonprofits? Uh, you know, if 00:21:13.583 --> 00:21:15.483 of nonprofits? Uh, you know, if the owners are, or people who 00:21:15.485 --> 00:21:17.852 the owners are, or people who run it or not owners but people 00:21:17.854 --> 00:21:18.853 run it or not owners but people who run the nonprofits are here. 00:21:18.855 --> 00:21:21.990 who run the nonprofits are here. Then, uh, if, if, if that could 00:21:21.992 --> 00:21:23.791 Then, uh, if, if, if that could be addressed a little bit, it's 00:21:23.793 --> 00:21:26.795 be addressed a little bit, it's not clear to me, uh, and the 00:21:26.797 --> 00:21:27.929 not clear to me, uh, and the second is maybe to the staff, 00:21:27.931 --> 00:21:31.933 second is maybe to the staff, uh. In there, is there any 00:21:31.935 --> 00:21:35.469 uh. In there, is there any study, any feedback from the 00:21:35.471 --> 00:21:38.139 study, any feedback from the adjacent businesses and. Uh, on 00:21:38.141 --> 00:21:40.475 adjacent businesses and. Uh, on the east there are residential 00:21:40.477 --> 00:21:42.243 the east there are residential properties and is there any, uh, 00:21:42.245 --> 00:21:45.246 properties and is there any, uh, you know, uh, feedback that's 00:21:45.248 --> 00:21:48.282 you know, uh, feedback that's obtained, uh, I see the time of 00:21:48.284 --> 00:21:52.419 obtained, uh, I see the time of operations are, uh, from, uh, 7 00:21:52.421 --> 00:21:57.492 operations are, uh, from, uh, 7 a.m. on, on, uh, to 11 a.m. 00:21:57.494 --> 00:21:58.926 a.m. on, on, uh, to 11 a.m. except on Sunday through 00:21:58.928 --> 00:22:00.161 except on Sunday through Thursday it's from 7 a.m. to 2 00:22:00.163 --> 00:22:04.365 Thursday it's from 7 a.m. to 2 a.m. So, are there any, uh, 00:22:04.367 --> 00:22:09.103 a.m. So, are there any, uh, impacts. Feedback that's, you 00:22:09.105 --> 00:22:12.974 impacts. Feedback that's, you know, that's uh sold from the 00:22:12.976 --> 00:22:14.509 know, that's uh sold from the adjacent properties or 00:22:14.511 --> 00:22:16.110 adjacent properties or businesses and residents, uh, 00:22:16.112 --> 00:22:16.844 businesses and residents, uh, Chair Frazier, members of the 00:22:16.846 --> 00:22:17.979 Chair Frazier, members of the planning commission. I, I'll 00:22:17.981 --> 00:22:19.447 planning commission. I, I'll let the applicants speak to the 00:22:19.449 --> 00:22:21.449 let the applicants speak to the first point, uh, but to your 00:22:21.451 --> 00:22:23.785 first point, uh, but to your second point, I can say that um 00:22:23.787 --> 00:22:25.586 second point, I can say that um we did send out public hearing 00:22:25.588 --> 00:22:27.388 we did send out public hearing notices, um, to everyone within 00:22:27.390 --> 00:22:31.058 notices, um, to everyone within 500 ft. We did get one call um 00:22:31.060 --> 00:22:33.594 500 ft. We did get one call um from an HOA president, um, and 00:22:33.596 --> 00:22:35.963 from an HOA president, um, and we did send them a copy of this 00:22:35.965 --> 00:22:37.198 we did send them a copy of this agenda item for review, um. 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:39.200 agenda item for review, um. they didn't submit to any 00:22:39.202 --> 00:22:40.535 they didn't submit to any public comment after reviewing 00:22:40.537 --> 00:22:44.939 public comment after reviewing the item. Um, so, in addition 00:22:44.941 --> 00:22:45.873 the item. Um, so, in addition to residents receiving that 00:22:45.875 --> 00:22:47.408 to residents receiving that notice, um, business owners 00:22:47.410 --> 00:22:48.142 notice, um, business owners would have also received that 00:22:48.144 --> 00:22:50.878 would have also received that as well, and we did not receive 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:51.879 as well, and we did not receive any public comments, um, as to 00:22:51.881 --> 00:22:53.948 any public comments, um, as to that, um. I'll let the 00:22:53.950 --> 00:22:54.849 that, um. I'll let the applicant speak to, I guess, 00:22:54.851 --> 00:22:59.187 applicant speak to, I guess, the nature of the nonprofit. Um, 00:22:59.189 --> 00:23:00.655 the nature of the nonprofit. Um, so could you go up to the 00:23:00.657 --> 00:23:11.966 so could you go up to the podium, please, sir? Hello. 00:23:11.968 --> 00:23:15.770 podium, please, sir? Hello. Yeah So basically nonprofit 00:23:15.772 --> 00:23:16.638 Yeah So basically nonprofit organization, we serve the 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:17.772 organization, we serve the community, it's a bunch of vets, 00:23:17.774 --> 00:23:20.508 community, it's a bunch of vets, a lot of us take, uh, pride and 00:23:20.510 --> 00:23:25.880 a lot of us take, uh, pride and serve the community. To uh. 00:23:25.882 --> 00:23:28.850 serve the community. To uh. Organizations as far as throw 00:23:28.852 --> 00:23:30.785 Organizations as far as throw in clothes we perform Christmas 00:23:30.787 --> 00:23:32.353 in clothes we perform Christmas or uh for Christmas events for 00:23:32.355 --> 00:23:35.422 or uh for Christmas events for certain organizations. We Do 00:23:35.424 --> 00:23:39.727 certain organizations. We Do charity rides. Um, this first 00:23:39.729 --> 00:23:41.129 charity rides. Um, this first but veterans, like I said, 00:23:41.131 --> 00:23:43.364 but veterans, like I said, veterans, um, tasty ride for 00:23:43.366 --> 00:23:44.665 veterans, um, tasty ride for Jesus Christ riders. It's more 00:23:44.667 --> 00:23:46.301 Jesus Christ riders. It's more to, you know, spiritual place, 00:23:46.303 --> 00:23:47.702 to, you know, spiritual place, a lot of our guys, we just have 00:23:47.704 --> 00:23:50.438 a lot of our guys, we just have a place we can go, um, we do 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:51.940 a place we can go, um, we do like to lease our place out 00:23:51.942 --> 00:23:54.942 like to lease our place out third party for. Guest star 00:23:54.944 --> 00:23:56.510 third party for. Guest star like some guys like wanna throw 00:23:56.512 --> 00:23:57.845 like some guys like wanna throw a birthday party. Some guests 00:23:57.847 --> 00:23:58.512 a birthday party. Some guests wanna have a place just at 00:23:58.514 --> 00:24:00.848 wanna have a place just at least a place they can just go. 00:24:00.850 --> 00:24:03.484 least a place they can just go. It's really nice, uh, event 00:24:03.486 --> 00:24:04.118 It's really nice, uh, event place and so a lot of people 00:24:04.120 --> 00:24:04.786 place and so a lot of people that come and see it, they were 00:24:04.788 --> 00:24:05.586 that come and see it, they were like, well, I would like to 00:24:05.588 --> 00:24:06.587 like, well, I would like to have a birthday party here, if 00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:08.256 have a birthday party here, if they was there. So that's 00:24:08.258 --> 00:24:09.390 they was there. So that's mainly what we're using it for 00:24:09.392 --> 00:24:10.324 mainly what we're using it for at the time. It's a place of 00:24:10.326 --> 00:24:16.197 at the time. It's a place of gathering. I, I see in the, in 00:24:16.199 --> 00:24:18.165 gathering. I, I see in the, in the letter currently having 32 00:24:18.167 --> 00:24:22.937 the letter currently having 32 members. Is this member Member 00:24:22.939 --> 00:24:24.639 members. Is this member Member serving nonprofits or is it 00:24:24.641 --> 00:24:27.174 serving nonprofits or is it open to the public too. It's 00:24:27.176 --> 00:24:28.209 open to the public too. It's open to the public, but as of 00:24:28.211 --> 00:24:29.310 open to the public, but as of right now it's just all the 00:24:29.312 --> 00:24:30.378 right now it's just all the members there that are there. 00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:32.213 members there that are there. We're our members. But 00:24:32.215 --> 00:24:34.015 We're our members. But eventually, like what we do up 00:24:34.017 --> 00:24:34.949 eventually, like what we do up to the pos is this is for third 00:24:34.951 --> 00:24:40.487 to the pos is this is for third party events. Could you speak 00:24:40.489 --> 00:24:43.090 party events. Could you speak to, you know, how the ban, 00:24:43.092 --> 00:24:45.059 to, you know, how the ban, banquet hall will be used, is 00:24:45.061 --> 00:24:48.329 banquet hall will be used, is that also for members onlys and 00:24:48.331 --> 00:24:50.031 that also for members onlys and also for third parties, so in 00:24:50.033 --> 00:24:51.332 also for third parties, so in the event somebody when I host 00:24:51.334 --> 00:24:53.601 the event somebody when I host a birthday party. They would 00:24:53.603 --> 00:24:54.268 a birthday party. They would contact us we leased out to 00:24:54.270 --> 00:25:01.342 contact us we leased out to them. OK. Thank you. Sir, could 00:25:01.344 --> 00:25:02.910 them. OK. Thank you. Sir, could you state your name for the 00:25:02.912 --> 00:25:10.451 you state your name for the record, please. OK. All right. 00:25:10.453 --> 00:25:16.290 record, please. OK. All right. Any other questions, thank you. 00:25:16.292 --> 00:25:16.991 Any other questions, thank you. Commissioner gave by OK, go 00:25:16.993 --> 00:25:20.227 Commissioner gave by OK, go ahead. OK, thank you, thank you. 00:25:20.229 --> 00:25:22.329 ahead. OK, thank you, thank you. uh, so I would like to follow 00:25:22.331 --> 00:25:28.102 uh, so I would like to follow up on the like uh. In uh, in 00:25:28.104 --> 00:25:30.271 up on the like uh. In uh, in the letter attached to um this 00:25:30.273 --> 00:25:34.842 the letter attached to um this agenda. You guys listed uh the 00:25:34.844 --> 00:25:37.511 agenda. You guys listed uh the key activities if you would. 00:25:37.513 --> 00:25:39.981 key activities if you would. touch a little bit about, you 00:25:39.983 --> 00:25:41.316 touch a little bit about, you know, the on Friday and 00:25:41.318 --> 00:25:44.752 know, the on Friday and Saturday, there is a private 00:25:44.754 --> 00:25:47.422 Saturday, there is a private and only private invite only 00:25:47.424 --> 00:25:49.690 and only private invite only gathering for fellowship. So 00:25:49.692 --> 00:25:53.628 gathering for fellowship. So there are any Uh, like, uh, 00:25:53.630 --> 00:25:54.628 there are any Uh, like, uh, fellowship or what type of 00:25:54.630 --> 00:25:56.630 fellowship or what type of fellowship is it? Would you, uh, 00:25:56.632 --> 00:26:03.170 fellowship is it? Would you, uh, detail that part. It'd be just 00:26:03.172 --> 00:26:04.238 detail that part. It'd be just mainly our members unless it's 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:05.639 mainly our members unless it's an event being rented out, it'd 00:26:05.641 --> 00:26:07.975 an event being rented out, it'd be just the members there. It's 00:26:07.977 --> 00:26:09.143 be just the members there. It's going over weekly events, um, 00:26:09.145 --> 00:26:10.378 going over weekly events, um, just trying to make the 00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:12.880 just trying to make the organization better planning. 00:26:12.882 --> 00:26:15.583 organization better planning. Um This this is a place to 00:26:15.585 --> 00:26:16.517 Um This this is a place to gather and like when I say we 00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:17.985 gather and like when I say we fellowship, we all come 00:26:17.987 --> 00:26:19.454 fellowship, we all come together, we speak on what can 00:26:19.456 --> 00:26:20.354 together, we speak on what can we do to better ourselves, 00:26:20.356 --> 00:26:24.925 we do to better ourselves, better our community. But As 00:26:24.927 --> 00:26:26.394 better our community. But As far as gambling is concerned, 00:26:26.396 --> 00:26:27.662 far as gambling is concerned, anything else? Any questions 00:26:27.664 --> 00:26:31.132 anything else? Any questions you like? Yeah, I mean, when it 00:26:31.134 --> 00:26:33.101 you like? Yeah, I mean, when it says like a fellowship, is it 00:26:33.103 --> 00:26:36.771 says like a fellowship, is it the type of uh like any. 00:26:36.773 --> 00:26:38.673 the type of uh like any. religious activity or is it any 00:26:38.675 --> 00:26:40.942 religious activity or is it any training activity or what type 00:26:40.944 --> 00:26:44.311 training activity or what type of, I mean it, it varies, it's. 00:26:44.313 --> 00:26:46.981 of, I mean it, it varies, it's. Mainly different bro it's. 00:26:46.983 --> 00:26:49.017 Mainly different bro it's. Different backgrounds, I mean, 00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.418 Different backgrounds, I mean, we all it's all spiritual. Some, 00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:53.621 we all it's all spiritual. Some, you know, different dominations. 00:26:53.623 --> 00:26:56.223 you know, different dominations. When they come together, they 00:26:56.225 --> 00:26:58.092 When they come together, they preach the word. We don't 00:26:58.094 --> 00:27:00.895 preach the word. We don't preach the Bible, preach good. 00:27:00.897 --> 00:27:01.629 preach the Bible, preach good. It's been a better the next 00:27:01.631 --> 00:27:06.167 It's been a better the next brother. So it's like positive 00:27:06.169 --> 00:27:10.104 brother. So it's like positive reinforcement to sir. That 00:27:10.106 --> 00:27:13.841 reinforcement to sir. That sounds good. OK. Commissioner 00:27:13.843 --> 00:27:19.980 sounds good. OK. Commissioner Gabby. OK. Thank you, thank you, 00:27:19.982 --> 00:27:21.449 Gabby. OK. Thank you, thank you, uh, any time we see this thing 00:27:21.451 --> 00:27:23.851 uh, any time we see this thing here it's a good thing, you 00:27:23.853 --> 00:27:25.920 here it's a good thing, you know, people come to bring. 00:27:25.922 --> 00:27:29.323 know, people come to bring. Some sort of a a business. In 00:27:29.325 --> 00:27:31.225 Some sort of a a business. In the community. Is it, do you 00:27:31.227 --> 00:27:33.795 the community. Is it, do you have, is this your first time? 00:27:33.797 --> 00:27:34.896 have, is this your first time? Did this organization or this 00:27:34.898 --> 00:27:37.131 Did this organization or this business, do you have? Are you 00:27:37.133 --> 00:27:38.332 business, do you have? Are you look at in other city other 00:27:38.334 --> 00:27:42.970 look at in other city other than in Brooklyn. Eventually, 00:27:42.972 --> 00:27:44.104 than in Brooklyn. Eventually, well right now I said we're 00:27:44.106 --> 00:27:46.107 well right now I said we're growing. And it's gonna be to 00:27:46.109 --> 00:27:47.041 growing. And it's gonna be to the point where we're going to 00:27:47.043 --> 00:27:50.678 the point where we're going to really expand. But as of right 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.613 really expand. But as of right now it's just it's just here 00:27:52.615 --> 00:27:54.014 now it's just it's just here right now, no, I just, I mean, 00:27:54.016 --> 00:27:55.049 right now, no, I just, I mean, I'm not trying to, I just 00:27:55.051 --> 00:27:58.219 I'm not trying to, I just thought it was, you know. Like, 00:27:58.221 --> 00:28:00.621 thought it was, you know. Like, you know, it's growing so if 00:28:00.623 --> 00:28:01.622 you know, it's growing so if this is the first this is the 00:28:01.624 --> 00:28:03.024 this is the first this is the first, if this is the first 00:28:03.026 --> 00:28:04.425 first, if this is the first time that you're trying to put 00:28:04.427 --> 00:28:06.060 time that you're trying to put something together like that. I 00:28:06.062 --> 00:28:06.994 something together like that. I mean, there's nothing wrong 00:28:06.996 --> 00:28:08.362 mean, there's nothing wrong with that. You got to start 00:28:08.364 --> 00:28:10.331 with that. You got to start from somewhere. So I'm not 00:28:10.333 --> 00:28:11.432 from somewhere. So I'm not trying to right now. I'm not 00:28:11.434 --> 00:28:13.200 trying to right now. I'm not trying to put it down in, in 00:28:13.202 --> 00:28:14.802 trying to put it down in, in that way, but the reason I was 00:28:14.804 --> 00:28:16.571 that way, but the reason I was asking is the fact that that so 00:28:16.573 --> 00:28:18.606 asking is the fact that that so that we can have a picture or 00:28:18.608 --> 00:28:20.040 that we can have a picture or something to look at, you know, 00:28:20.042 --> 00:28:21.609 something to look at, you know, we say, OK, we can compare it 00:28:21.611 --> 00:28:24.545 we say, OK, we can compare it to this or to that, but if, if 00:28:24.547 --> 00:28:26.080 to this or to that, but if, if this is something more 00:28:26.082 --> 00:28:26.948 this is something more compatible, I'll say more like 00:28:26.950 --> 00:28:32.887 compatible, I'll say more like a. Like a VFW or X lounge. So 00:28:32.889 --> 00:28:35.689 a. Like a VFW or X lounge. So I'll get away. OK, so in, in 00:28:35.691 --> 00:28:37.224 I'll get away. OK, so in, in this way are they like 00:28:37.226 --> 00:28:38.025 this way are they like registration people have to 00:28:38.027 --> 00:28:40.661 registration people have to keep, have to register to be a 00:28:40.663 --> 00:28:42.897 keep, have to register to be a member or how, how is it done? 00:28:42.899 --> 00:28:44.565 member or how, how is it done? We still get to that point, we 00:28:44.567 --> 00:28:45.966 We still get to that point, we do have, as the bro the 00:28:45.968 --> 00:28:48.335 do have, as the bro the brothers now that we have. 00:28:48.337 --> 00:28:50.304 brothers now that we have. About they will say the they 00:28:50.306 --> 00:28:52.339 About they will say the they are registered in a way well to 00:28:52.341 --> 00:28:53.006 are registered in a way well to the organization we have to 00:28:53.008 --> 00:28:54.175 the organization we have to have like a board and a 00:28:54.177 --> 00:28:54.808 have like a board and a committee and everything as 00:28:54.810 --> 00:28:57.078 committee and everything as well. Um, like I said, we're 00:28:57.080 --> 00:28:58.346 well. Um, like I said, we're still growing, we're still 00:28:58.348 --> 00:28:59.080 still growing, we're still implementing new rules as we 00:28:59.082 --> 00:29:05.252 implementing new rules as we grow. OK. OK Well, I mean, 00:29:05.254 --> 00:29:11.692 grow. OK. OK Well, I mean, thank you for your answers, uh. 00:29:11.694 --> 00:29:19.867 thank you for your answers, uh. Commissioner R. Yes. Yeah. 00:29:19.869 --> 00:29:22.436 Commissioner R. Yes. Yeah. What's the size of the, of this 00:29:22.438 --> 00:29:28.375 What's the size of the, of this banquet hall. Uh sorry, are you 00:29:28.377 --> 00:29:29.710 banquet hall. Uh sorry, are you asking the square footage of 00:29:29.712 --> 00:29:31.645 asking the square footage of their the space that they'll be 00:29:31.647 --> 00:29:33.647 their the space that they'll be leasing out. That is to be 00:29:33.649 --> 00:29:35.383 leasing out. That is to be determined is my understanding. 00:29:35.385 --> 00:29:38.052 determined is my understanding. Um, they, they are required to 00:29:38.054 --> 00:29:39.620 Um, they, they are required to submit a change of occupancy, 00:29:39.622 --> 00:29:41.355 submit a change of occupancy, so that will, the final square 00:29:41.357 --> 00:29:43.791 so that will, the final square footage will be determined in 00:29:43.793 --> 00:29:44.758 footage will be determined in their building permit 00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:47.695 their building permit application. So we we didn't 00:29:47.697 --> 00:29:49.563 application. So we we didn't have exhibits to um to submit 00:29:49.565 --> 00:29:50.932 have exhibits to um to submit as part of this presentation 00:29:50.934 --> 00:29:51.865 as part of this presentation because that's still being 00:29:51.867 --> 00:29:57.938 because that's still being determined. OK. OK, thanks. 00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:01.709 determined. OK. OK, thanks. Right, and you Go ahead. Just 00:30:01.711 --> 00:30:10.218 Right, and you Go ahead. Just This one. Yes, sir. and 00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:14.455 This one. Yes, sir. and register. And then profits 00:30:14.457 --> 00:30:15.222 register. And then profits registered and active. Yes, sir. 00:30:15.224 --> 00:30:20.628 registered and active. Yes, sir. OK. And with the 501c3 00:30:20.630 --> 00:30:21.829 OK. And with the 501c3 designation and all those kind 00:30:21.831 --> 00:30:28.435 designation and all those kind of things, so. OK, thank you. 00:30:28.437 --> 00:30:29.971 of things, so. OK, thank you. All right, any other questions, 00:30:29.973 --> 00:30:37.878 All right, any other questions, comments? You're not, um. The 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.113 comments? You're not, um. The motion is on the screen there, 00:30:39.115 --> 00:30:41.649 motion is on the screen there, so um. Who wants to make a 00:30:41.651 --> 00:30:47.922 so um. Who wants to make a motion. Oh, go ahead, make the 00:30:47.924 --> 00:30:55.629 motion. Oh, go ahead, make the motion. Motion to recommend a 00:30:55.631 --> 00:30:57.131 motion. Motion to recommend a resolution approving a 00:30:57.133 --> 00:30:58.966 resolution approving a conditional use permit for the 00:30:58.968 --> 00:31:00.301 conditional use permit for the operation of a social club and 00:31:00.303 --> 00:31:02.235 operation of a social club and a banquet hall. For private 00:31:02.237 --> 00:31:07.942 a banquet hall. For private events at. 84326 Avenue North. 00:31:07.944 --> 00:31:09.410 events at. 84326 Avenue North. Subject to the conditions 00:31:09.412 --> 00:31:11.478 Subject to the conditions contained in the draft 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:12.413 contained in the draft resolution, including the 00:31:12.415 --> 00:31:15.249 resolution, including the following conditions. A 00:31:15.251 --> 00:31:16.784 following conditions. A certificate of occupancy must 00:31:16.786 --> 00:31:19.119 certificate of occupancy must be obtained from the city's 00:31:19.121 --> 00:31:19.854 be obtained from the city's building department prior to 00:31:19.856 --> 00:31:25.626 building department prior to operation. Do we have a second? 00:31:25.628 --> 00:31:28.095 operation. Do we have a second? It was your main and seconded, 00:31:28.097 --> 00:31:30.831 It was your main and seconded, um, all in favor, say aye. Any 00:31:30.833 --> 00:31:36.771 um, all in favor, say aye. Any oppose? Right, um, motion 00:31:36.773 --> 00:31:41.108 oppose? Right, um, motion passes. Congratulations. This 00:31:41.110 --> 00:31:45.312 passes. Congratulations. This will be, um, presented at the 00:31:45.314 --> 00:31:47.381 will be, um, presented at the February 24th. City council 00:31:47.383 --> 00:31:55.322 February 24th. City council council meeting on the 24th. So 00:31:55.324 --> 00:31:58.292 council meeting on the 24th. So we'll move on to 5.3. Good 00:31:58.294 --> 00:31:59.259 we'll move on to 5.3. Good evening, Chair Frasier and 00:31:59.261 --> 00:32:00.227 evening, Chair Frasier and members of the planning 00:32:00.229 --> 00:32:01.695 members of the planning commission for the record, Erin 00:32:01.697 --> 00:32:02.730 commission for the record, Erin McDermott, senior planner with 00:32:02.732 --> 00:32:04.164 McDermott, senior planner with the planning division, 00:32:04.166 --> 00:32:05.966 the planning division, presenting a zoning tax 00:32:05.968 --> 00:32:07.501 presenting a zoning tax amendment with administrative 00:32:07.503 --> 00:32:10.871 amendment with administrative changes to development case 00:32:10.873 --> 00:32:11.605 changes to development case 2024-102 land usage code update? 00:32:11.607 --> 00:32:15.376 2024-102 land usage code update? Um I'm gonna close this. 00:32:15.378 --> 00:32:20.714 Um I'm gonna close this. There's no one else online. OK. 00:32:20.716 --> 00:32:22.483 There's no one else online. OK. So in front of you, there's a 00:32:22.485 --> 00:32:24.051 So in front of you, there's a chart with all of the 00:32:24.053 --> 00:32:25.186 chart with all of the administrative changes that are 00:32:25.188 --> 00:32:27.454 administrative changes that are being made, um, starting with 00:32:27.456 --> 00:32:30.324 being made, um, starting with definitions, we are adding a 00:32:30.326 --> 00:32:33.460 definitions, we are adding a definition for fence, um, the 00:32:33.462 --> 00:32:35.896 definition for fence, um, the Text amendment for the MERA or 00:32:35.898 --> 00:32:36.764 Text amendment for the MERA or the Mississippi River corridor 00:32:36.766 --> 00:32:38.866 the Mississippi River corridor Critical area. Um, that was 00:32:38.868 --> 00:32:40.401 Critical area. Um, that was adopted a year ago on Friday, 00:32:40.403 --> 00:32:44.738 adopted a year ago on Friday, um. Has provisions for fences 00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:47.141 um. Has provisions for fences with no firm definition. So to 00:32:47.143 --> 00:32:48.609 with no firm definition. So to ensure that we are equitably 00:32:48.611 --> 00:32:50.177 ensure that we are equitably treating our residents. We 00:32:50.179 --> 00:32:52.012 treating our residents. We wanted to adopt a definition to 00:32:52.014 --> 00:32:52.880 wanted to adopt a definition to make sure that everyone is 00:32:52.882 --> 00:32:55.148 make sure that everyone is being treated the same. Um, 00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:57.451 being treated the same. Um, with that, we're also amending 00:32:57.453 --> 00:32:59.987 with that, we're also amending our commercial vehicle. Um 00:32:59.989 --> 00:33:03.724 our commercial vehicle. Um Definition Staff had previously 00:33:03.726 --> 00:33:05.659 Definition Staff had previously gone through the process of 00:33:05.661 --> 00:33:07.127 gone through the process of getting that definition amended 00:33:07.129 --> 00:33:09.296 getting that definition amended in line with our commercial 00:33:09.298 --> 00:33:10.163 in line with our commercial vehicle parking ordinance back 00:33:10.165 --> 00:33:12.599 vehicle parking ordinance back in 2022. Uh, with the 00:33:12.601 --> 00:33:14.201 in 2022. Uh, with the compilation of all of the 00:33:14.203 --> 00:33:16.804 compilation of all of the zoning text amendments, um. 00:33:16.806 --> 00:33:18.539 zoning text amendments, um. Just over the years that came 00:33:18.541 --> 00:33:20.140 Just over the years that came in piecemeal when we're doing 00:33:20.142 --> 00:33:22.075 in piecemeal when we're doing the overall zoning code. Some 00:33:22.077 --> 00:33:23.010 the overall zoning code. Some of these amendments got missed 00:33:23.012 --> 00:33:25.679 of these amendments got missed when we were in our overall 00:33:25.681 --> 00:33:27.881 when we were in our overall document. So the text that's 00:33:27.883 --> 00:33:30.785 document. So the text that's before you is what exactly what 00:33:30.787 --> 00:33:31.852 before you is what exactly what was adopted in 2022, just for 00:33:31.854 --> 00:33:35.589 was adopted in 2022, just for that update. Um, the next thing 00:33:35.591 --> 00:33:38.058 that update. Um, the next thing is site plan review. We're 00:33:38.060 --> 00:33:40.027 is site plan review. We're adding the language for minor 00:33:40.029 --> 00:33:41.295 adding the language for minor site plan expansions back in. 00:33:41.297 --> 00:33:43.664 site plan expansions back in. This is the exact same text 00:33:43.666 --> 00:33:45.332 This is the exact same text that we previously had without 00:33:45.334 --> 00:33:48.035 that we previously had without this, uh, text change any site 00:33:48.037 --> 00:33:48.902 this, uh, text change any site plan changes would require a 00:33:48.904 --> 00:33:50.737 plan changes would require a formal site plan review. So 00:33:50.739 --> 00:33:53.139 formal site plan review. So this body would have to hold 00:33:53.141 --> 00:33:55.509 this body would have to hold public hearings for minor 00:33:55.511 --> 00:33:56.777 public hearings for minor alterations to properties such 00:33:56.779 --> 00:33:59.780 alterations to properties such as an entry. Way where they're 00:33:59.782 --> 00:34:01.048 as an entry. Way where they're they're looking to modify the 00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:03.384 they're looking to modify the outside, so this is the text 00:34:03.386 --> 00:34:05.118 outside, so this is the text amendment is anything less than 00:34:05.120 --> 00:34:06.820 amendment is anything less than 10% of the site or building 00:34:06.822 --> 00:34:10.324 10% of the site or building footprint. Um, can be handled 00:34:10.326 --> 00:34:11.058 footprint. Um, can be handled by administrative review by 00:34:11.060 --> 00:34:12.659 by administrative review by staff. So these are just for 00:34:12.661 --> 00:34:15.963 staff. So these are just for minor updates. Uh, the next 00:34:15.965 --> 00:34:17.163 minor updates. Uh, the next section, minimum floor area 00:34:17.165 --> 00:34:20.968 section, minimum floor area ratio. So this is a little bit 00:34:20.970 --> 00:34:23.203 ratio. So this is a little bit more involved than just an 00:34:23.205 --> 00:34:25.606 more involved than just an administrative review. This is 00:34:25.608 --> 00:34:27.574 administrative review. This is establishing a minimum FAR or 00:34:27.576 --> 00:34:30.177 establishing a minimum FAR or floor area ratio in all of the 00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:31.645 floor area ratio in all of the mixed-use zoning districts, um, 00:34:31.647 --> 00:34:33.514 mixed-use zoning districts, um, when we went through the 610 00:34:33.516 --> 00:34:35.415 when we went through the 610 corridor study or the 00:34:35.417 --> 00:34:37.751 corridor study or the moratorium, um, a minimum floor 00:34:37.753 --> 00:34:39.386 moratorium, um, a minimum floor area ratio was established for 00:34:39.388 --> 00:34:40.687 area ratio was established for our mixed-use zoning district. 00:34:40.689 --> 00:34:44.291 our mixed-use zoning district. Um With following conversations 00:34:44.293 --> 00:34:45.693 Um With following conversations that have been had between 00:34:45.695 --> 00:34:48.929 that have been had between staff and city council, um, 00:34:48.931 --> 00:34:50.196 staff and city council, um, staff realized that it was the 00:34:50.198 --> 00:34:52.533 staff realized that it was the expectation of counsel that a 00:34:52.535 --> 00:34:53.734 expectation of counsel that a minimum floor area ratio should 00:34:53.736 --> 00:34:55.936 minimum floor area ratio should be established for all of our 00:34:55.938 --> 00:34:58.338 be established for all of our mixed use zoning districts. So 00:34:58.340 --> 00:35:01.508 mixed use zoning districts. So with that we followed the, um, 00:35:01.510 --> 00:35:02.609 with that we followed the, um, the research that was provided 00:35:02.611 --> 00:35:05.178 the research that was provided during that corridor study. And 00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:06.413 during that corridor study. And compiled it with minimum floor 00:35:06.415 --> 00:35:07.814 compiled it with minimum floor area ratios, that makes sense 00:35:07.816 --> 00:35:10.651 area ratios, that makes sense in those zoning districts. Um, 00:35:10.653 --> 00:35:11.985 in those zoning districts. Um, the next section is minimum 00:35:11.987 --> 00:35:14.855 the next section is minimum required open space. We have 00:35:14.857 --> 00:35:17.057 required open space. We have another section that is also 00:35:17.059 --> 00:35:18.626 another section that is also dealing with impervious surface, 00:35:18.628 --> 00:35:21.094 dealing with impervious surface, they conflicted. So we're 00:35:21.096 --> 00:35:22.462 they conflicted. So we're reconciling those standards. Um, 00:35:22.464 --> 00:35:24.364 reconciling those standards. Um, there were only conflicts in 00:35:24.366 --> 00:35:28.835 there were only conflicts in our B2, BP, and I districts, 00:35:28.837 --> 00:35:30.837 our B2, BP, and I districts, which is our general business, 00:35:30.839 --> 00:35:32.940 which is our general business, business park and industrial. 00:35:32.942 --> 00:35:33.907 business park and industrial. The percentages that were 00:35:33.909 --> 00:35:34.775 The percentages that were required for both did not work 00:35:34.777 --> 00:35:38.712 required for both did not work out. Uh, the next section is 00:35:38.714 --> 00:35:40.047 out. Uh, the next section is outdoor storage requirements. 00:35:40.049 --> 00:35:41.982 outdoor storage requirements. Um, with the overall zoning 00:35:41.984 --> 00:35:44.885 Um, with the overall zoning code update, we adopted as a 00:35:44.887 --> 00:35:46.420 code update, we adopted as a permitted accessory use in all 00:35:46.422 --> 00:35:47.788 permitted accessory use in all of the districts that would 00:35:47.790 --> 00:35:51.625 of the districts that would allow for commercial uses. Uh, 00:35:51.627 --> 00:35:52.659 allow for commercial uses. Uh, without adopting any standards 00:35:52.661 --> 00:35:54.995 without adopting any standards for the B1, B2, or mixed-use 00:35:54.997 --> 00:35:58.432 for the B1, B2, or mixed-use zoning districts, so. With this, 00:35:58.434 --> 00:36:00.968 zoning districts, so. With this, staff use the same setback 00:36:00.970 --> 00:36:01.502 staff use the same setback requirements for parking, 00:36:01.504 --> 00:36:02.669 requirements for parking, because if we wouldn't want 00:36:02.671 --> 00:36:04.738 because if we wouldn't want someone to park a car there, we 00:36:04.740 --> 00:36:06.673 someone to park a car there, we probably don't want them to be 00:36:06.675 --> 00:36:07.541 probably don't want them to be storing their outdoor storage 00:36:07.543 --> 00:36:09.543 storing their outdoor storage goods. That close to the 00:36:09.545 --> 00:36:12.346 goods. That close to the property line. Um, and then the 00:36:12.348 --> 00:36:14.582 property line. Um, and then the final one is in our parking 00:36:14.584 --> 00:36:16.383 final one is in our parking section where it reintroducing 00:36:16.385 --> 00:36:17.050 section where it reintroducing language requiring vehicles be 00:36:17.052 --> 00:36:18.652 language requiring vehicles be parked on a paved surface. This 00:36:18.654 --> 00:36:20.454 parked on a paved surface. This was brought to our attention by 00:36:20.456 --> 00:36:21.121 was brought to our attention by our environmental health team. 00:36:21.123 --> 00:36:23.824 our environmental health team. This is one of their most 00:36:23.826 --> 00:36:24.692 This is one of their most frequently used enforcement 00:36:24.694 --> 00:36:26.626 frequently used enforcement actions. Um, this is meant to 00:36:26.628 --> 00:36:28.261 actions. Um, this is meant to protect our, our groundwater, 00:36:28.263 --> 00:36:30.631 protect our, our groundwater, making sure that we don't have 00:36:30.633 --> 00:36:31.898 making sure that we don't have vehicles leaking fluid into the 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:36.603 vehicles leaking fluid into the ground. Um, this slide may look 00:36:36.605 --> 00:36:37.871 ground. Um, this slide may look familiar to any of our 00:36:37.873 --> 00:36:40.273 familiar to any of our commissioners who were with us 00:36:40.275 --> 00:36:43.209 commissioners who were with us during the 60 corridor study, 00:36:43.211 --> 00:36:44.711 during the 60 corridor study, this explains what floor area 00:36:44.713 --> 00:36:46.079 this explains what floor area ratio is just so that everyone 00:36:46.081 --> 00:36:49.316 ratio is just so that everyone is on the same page. Um, so 00:36:49.318 --> 00:36:51.818 is on the same page. Um, so this objective is to ensure 00:36:51.820 --> 00:36:52.485 this objective is to ensure that parcels aren't 00:36:52.487 --> 00:36:53.820 that parcels aren't underdeveloped. By setting this 00:36:53.822 --> 00:36:56.623 underdeveloped. By setting this floor area ratio, we can We 00:36:56.625 --> 00:36:58.058 floor area ratio, we can We have a bit more control to make 00:36:58.060 --> 00:36:59.026 have a bit more control to make sure that we're not just going 00:36:59.028 --> 00:37:02.429 sure that we're not just going to end up with large paved 00:37:02.431 --> 00:37:03.530 to end up with large paved portions, small buildings, and 00:37:03.532 --> 00:37:05.399 portions, small buildings, and it's going to meet city 00:37:05.401 --> 00:37:06.866 it's going to meet city council's goal of the tax 00:37:06.868 --> 00:37:10.804 council's goal of the tax increase, tax base increase. Um 00:37:10.806 --> 00:37:13.273 increase, tax base increase. Um And so, whoops, here is a 00:37:13.275 --> 00:37:15.542 And so, whoops, here is a little bit of a better 00:37:15.544 --> 00:37:17.210 little bit of a better understanding just so that you 00:37:17.212 --> 00:37:18.345 understanding just so that you can understand that these 00:37:18.347 --> 00:37:19.546 can understand that these minimum floor area ratios, they 00:37:19.548 --> 00:37:21.048 minimum floor area ratios, they can look very different. So to 00:37:21.050 --> 00:37:22.315 can look very different. So to meet that same goal, we're 00:37:22.317 --> 00:37:24.718 meet that same goal, we're gonna, we could get multiple 00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:26.253 gonna, we could get multiple stories, um, or different 00:37:26.255 --> 00:37:29.656 stories, um, or different widths of the building. And 00:37:29.658 --> 00:37:30.624 widths of the building. And with that staff recommends 00:37:30.626 --> 00:37:32.025 with that staff recommends approval of the zoning tax 00:37:32.027 --> 00:37:36.230 approval of the zoning tax amendment as proposed. Thank 00:37:36.232 --> 00:37:43.970 amendment as proposed. Thank you. So, um, anyone from the 00:37:43.972 --> 00:37:45.339 you. So, um, anyone from the public would like to ask any 00:37:45.341 --> 00:37:51.745 public would like to ask any questions? All right. Here, 00:37:51.747 --> 00:37:53.580 questions? All right. Here, none will close the public 00:37:53.582 --> 00:37:55.949 none will close the public hearing and bring it back to, 00:37:55.951 --> 00:37:58.618 hearing and bring it back to, um, the commissioners. Um, so I 00:37:58.620 --> 00:38:00.287 um, the commissioners. Um, so I have a question in regards to 00:38:00.289 --> 00:38:05.892 have a question in regards to um. You know, extending the, 00:38:05.894 --> 00:38:07.294 um. You know, extending the, the FAR requirements outside 00:38:07.296 --> 00:38:08.161 the FAR requirements outside what we had originally 00:38:08.163 --> 00:38:11.898 what we had originally discussed, and I'm curious. 00:38:11.900 --> 00:38:15.168 discussed, and I'm curious. Given that they There aren't a 00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:16.336 Given that they There aren't a lot of development in those 00:38:16.338 --> 00:38:17.738 lot of development in those other areas. I was wondering 00:38:17.740 --> 00:38:21.175 other areas. I was wondering what's the What was the kind of 00:38:21.177 --> 00:38:23.643 what's the What was the kind of thought behind that. Thank you, 00:38:23.645 --> 00:38:25.479 thought behind that. Thank you, Chair Frasier, members of the 00:38:25.481 --> 00:38:28.281 Chair Frasier, members of the planning commission, um, with 00:38:28.283 --> 00:38:30.650 planning commission, um, with that, and the goal isn't only 00:38:30.652 --> 00:38:32.586 that, and the goal isn't only for development. The goal is 00:38:32.588 --> 00:38:34.287 for development. The goal is for good development, making 00:38:34.289 --> 00:38:37.491 for good development, making sure that the, the final green 00:38:37.493 --> 00:38:38.191 sure that the, the final green spaces and greenfield 00:38:38.193 --> 00:38:40.861 spaces and greenfield development sites within the 00:38:40.863 --> 00:38:42.061 development sites within the city aren't underutilized 00:38:42.063 --> 00:38:43.863 city aren't underutilized because we're um with the 00:38:43.865 --> 00:38:45.766 because we're um with the Northwest growth area, those 00:38:45.768 --> 00:38:47.634 Northwest growth area, those are the remaining 700 acres of 00:38:47.636 --> 00:38:50.003 are the remaining 700 acres of greenfield within the city. We 00:38:50.005 --> 00:38:51.404 greenfield within the city. We have one off sites throughout 00:38:51.406 --> 00:38:53.140 have one off sites throughout the city, so making sure that 00:38:53.142 --> 00:38:54.608 the city, so making sure that those are utilized to their 00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:56.777 those are utilized to their best extent to ensure that the 00:38:56.779 --> 00:38:58.746 best extent to ensure that the tax base growth is adequate to 00:38:58.748 --> 00:39:00.180 tax base growth is adequate to help support the city and to 00:39:00.182 --> 00:39:01.081 help support the city and to make sure that the residents 00:39:01.083 --> 00:39:05.318 make sure that the residents are You know, getting the. The 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.154 are You know, getting the. The benefit that they deserve with. 00:39:07.156 --> 00:39:08.855 benefit that they deserve with. This development. Great, thank 00:39:08.857 --> 00:39:13.026 This development. Great, thank you. Any other questions, 00:39:13.028 --> 00:39:20.768 you. Any other questions, comments? commissioner Way Wale. 00:39:20.770 --> 00:39:24.671 comments? commissioner Way Wale. Thank you. Uh, if you put back 00:39:24.673 --> 00:39:28.007 Thank you. Uh, if you put back the Previous definition, no, 00:39:28.009 --> 00:39:32.779 the Previous definition, no, the other one, Yeah, yeah, here, 00:39:32.781 --> 00:39:35.115 the other one, Yeah, yeah, here, uh, one is on the site plan 00:39:35.117 --> 00:39:37.751 uh, one is on the site plan review, um. You know, the, the 00:39:37.753 --> 00:39:40.120 review, um. You know, the, the amendment is really to For 00:39:40.122 --> 00:39:43.657 amendment is really to For minor site plan. Expansion Not 00:39:43.659 --> 00:39:45.959 minor site plan. Expansion Not to go through the review 00:39:45.961 --> 00:39:47.627 to go through the review process and is there any 00:39:47.629 --> 00:39:49.896 process and is there any definition of what's minor? And 00:39:49.898 --> 00:39:52.866 definition of what's minor? And you know, to put that uh 00:39:52.868 --> 00:39:55.335 you know, to put that uh clearly what's within, you know, 00:39:55.337 --> 00:39:57.937 clearly what's within, you know, minor definitions is uh You 00:39:57.939 --> 00:40:00.373 minor definitions is uh You know, one question I have, uh, 00:40:00.375 --> 00:40:01.642 know, one question I have, uh, maybe somewhere we have to add 00:40:01.644 --> 00:40:04.344 maybe somewhere we have to add the footnote, maybe define what 00:40:04.346 --> 00:40:06.013 the footnote, maybe define what that means, uh, clearly so that 00:40:06.015 --> 00:40:09.583 that means, uh, clearly so that it's understood. And the other 00:40:09.585 --> 00:40:10.918 it's understood. And the other question I have, maybe this one 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.655 question I have, maybe this one is uh just uh clarification. In 00:40:15.657 --> 00:40:17.023 is uh just uh clarification. In terms of the minimum floor area 00:40:17.025 --> 00:40:23.397 terms of the minimum floor area ratio. So So this change will 00:40:23.399 --> 00:40:25.532 ratio. So So this change will bring more, I mean less green 00:40:25.534 --> 00:40:30.236 bring more, I mean less green area, right? More of not the 00:40:30.238 --> 00:40:32.239 area, right? More of not the least, OK. I, that's what, you 00:40:32.241 --> 00:40:35.542 least, OK. I, that's what, you know, how I. Frazier members of 00:40:35.544 --> 00:40:37.010 know, how I. Frazier members of the planning commission. I, I 00:40:37.012 --> 00:40:38.578 the planning commission. I, I very much appreciate those 00:40:38.580 --> 00:40:39.312 very much appreciate those questions. Commissioner Wacko, 00:40:39.314 --> 00:40:40.914 questions. Commissioner Wacko, and that, that is a really good 00:40:40.916 --> 00:40:41.648 and that, that is a really good lead into this following 00:40:41.650 --> 00:40:44.918 lead into this following question. Um, for your first 00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.754 question. Um, for your first question, uh, there are, there 00:40:47.756 --> 00:40:50.657 question, uh, there are, there is a list of what exempts a 00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:52.125 is a list of what exempts a site plan review from being a 00:40:52.127 --> 00:40:53.560 site plan review from being a formal site plan review that's 00:40:53.562 --> 00:40:55.061 formal site plan review that's brought before this body. Um, I 00:40:55.063 --> 00:40:56.563 brought before this body. Um, I don't off the top of my head 00:40:56.565 --> 00:41:00.100 don't off the top of my head for the first time, can't list 00:41:00.102 --> 00:41:01.501 for the first time, can't list the actual criteria. The 00:41:01.503 --> 00:41:03.837 the actual criteria. The majority are, um, so single 00:41:03.839 --> 00:41:05.705 majority are, um, so single family residences, when we get 00:41:05.707 --> 00:41:06.640 family residences, when we get building permits for houses, as 00:41:06.642 --> 00:41:08.108 building permits for houses, as long as they meet the zoning 00:41:08.110 --> 00:41:09.075 long as they meet the zoning codes, they aren't required to 00:41:09.077 --> 00:41:11.478 codes, they aren't required to come before this body, so 00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:13.747 come before this body, so residential construction, um. 00:41:13.749 --> 00:41:16.249 residential construction, um. We, we have a number of other 00:41:16.251 --> 00:41:18.051 We, we have a number of other criteria of what would exempt 00:41:18.053 --> 00:41:20.086 criteria of what would exempt them. They're all spelled out, 00:41:20.088 --> 00:41:21.922 them. They're all spelled out, if I remember correctly, this 00:41:21.924 --> 00:41:24.491 if I remember correctly, this tax amendment is subpart E, so 00:41:24.493 --> 00:41:25.893 tax amendment is subpart E, so there's subparts A through D 00:41:25.895 --> 00:41:28.695 there's subparts A through D that are also outlined as to 00:41:28.697 --> 00:41:31.231 that are also outlined as to what would qualify them for an 00:41:31.233 --> 00:41:33.100 what would qualify them for an administrative review. It's at 00:41:33.102 --> 00:41:34.534 administrative review. It's at the the this section is at the 00:41:34.536 --> 00:41:37.404 the the this section is at the bottom of the first page of the 00:41:37.406 --> 00:41:38.771 bottom of the first page of the ordinance and the attachments, 00:41:38.773 --> 00:41:40.707 ordinance and the attachments, the part that starts out. It 00:41:40.709 --> 00:41:41.775 the part that starts out. It says site plan review right at 00:41:41.777 --> 00:41:45.178 says site plan review right at the top of the section. And 00:41:45.180 --> 00:41:46.646 the top of the section. And there it lays out everything 00:41:46.648 --> 00:41:49.148 there it lays out everything here and was just outlining, 00:41:49.150 --> 00:41:50.683 here and was just outlining, and this isn't, this isn't new. 00:41:50.685 --> 00:41:52.486 and this isn't, this isn't new. This was, you know, this is 00:41:52.488 --> 00:41:53.854 This was, you know, this is just a clarification. Um. This 00:41:53.856 --> 00:41:54.921 just a clarification. Um. This is, this has been in the zoning 00:41:54.923 --> 00:41:59.659 is, this has been in the zoning code for. A very long time. It 00:41:59.661 --> 00:42:01.027 code for. A very long time. It was, it was brought to our 00:42:01.029 --> 00:42:03.063 was, it was brought to our attention that it had been 00:42:03.065 --> 00:42:04.364 attention that it had been overlooked when we did the 00:42:04.366 --> 00:42:06.934 overlooked when we did the zoning code update due to, um, 00:42:06.936 --> 00:42:07.801 zoning code update due to, um, there is a religious 00:42:07.803 --> 00:42:08.901 there is a religious institution within the city 00:42:08.903 --> 00:42:11.204 institution within the city that is looking to expand. They, 00:42:11.206 --> 00:42:13.640 that is looking to expand. They, they owned the whole building. 00:42:13.642 --> 00:42:14.607 they owned the whole building. There were multiple tenancies, 00:42:14.609 --> 00:42:16.276 There were multiple tenancies, so they had renters, and now 00:42:16.278 --> 00:42:17.577 so they had renters, and now the renters have all moved and 00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:19.012 the renters have all moved and they own the building all right. 00:42:19.014 --> 00:42:20.947 they own the building all right. So they're looking to do 00:42:20.949 --> 00:42:22.515 So they're looking to do modifications to the interior 00:42:22.517 --> 00:42:24.250 modifications to the interior of the building to suit the 00:42:24.252 --> 00:42:25.818 of the building to suit the needs of their congregation, 00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:28.121 needs of their congregation, but they also were hoping to 00:42:28.123 --> 00:42:29.055 but they also were hoping to add entryways. So I think the 00:42:29.057 --> 00:42:30.823 add entryways. So I think the total score. footage of the 00:42:30.825 --> 00:42:33.226 total score. footage of the development. Building that they 00:42:33.228 --> 00:42:35.228 development. Building that they wanted to put on the site for 00:42:35.230 --> 00:42:36.363 wanted to put on the site for each entryway was like 12 00:42:36.365 --> 00:42:40.467 each entryway was like 12 square feet. Which I, I don't 00:42:40.469 --> 00:42:41.467 square feet. Which I, I don't know how you feel about that, 00:42:41.469 --> 00:42:42.536 know how you feel about that, but I feel like that would be 00:42:42.538 --> 00:42:44.838 but I feel like that would be kind of silly to require them 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.474 kind of silly to require them to pay all of the application 00:42:47.476 --> 00:42:49.642 to pay all of the application fees and have a public hearing 00:42:49.644 --> 00:42:51.545 fees and have a public hearing for that 12 square feet when we 00:42:51.547 --> 00:42:53.546 for that 12 square feet when we had previously been allowing it, 00:42:53.548 --> 00:42:55.548 had previously been allowing it, um, and, and for this body, it, 00:42:55.550 --> 00:42:57.484 um, and, and for this body, it, it feels like you have better 00:42:57.486 --> 00:43:00.587 it feels like you have better uses of your time. Um. Yeah, I, 00:43:00.589 --> 00:43:01.988 uses of your time. Um. Yeah, I, I really appreciate that change, 00:43:01.990 --> 00:43:03.523 I really appreciate that change, uh, that's, that's really very 00:43:03.525 --> 00:43:05.992 uh, that's, that's really very good, uh, just maybe just 00:43:05.994 --> 00:43:08.729 good, uh, just maybe just clarity to add into it and when 00:43:08.731 --> 00:43:11.197 clarity to add into it and when do I need site review and 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:12.265 do I need site review and what's what's within minor and 00:43:12.267 --> 00:43:15.201 what's what's within minor and uh. And that's, you know, thank 00:43:15.203 --> 00:43:16.603 uh. And that's, you know, thank you for that explanation and 00:43:16.605 --> 00:43:19.172 you for that explanation and maybe one last question is uh. 00:43:19.174 --> 00:43:20.907 maybe one last question is uh. There is a, you know, parking 00:43:20.909 --> 00:43:25.645 There is a, you know, parking is uh area, um. There are times, 00:43:25.647 --> 00:43:28.548 is uh area, um. There are times, you know, Brooklyn Park has 00:43:28.550 --> 00:43:30.517 you know, Brooklyn Park has lots of attractions and 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:31.985 lots of attractions and sometimes religious 00:43:31.987 --> 00:43:32.886 sometimes religious institutions of congregations 00:43:32.888 --> 00:43:35.155 institutions of congregations and only for short term, that 00:43:35.157 --> 00:43:37.257 and only for short term, that sometimes, you know, cars get 00:43:37.259 --> 00:43:39.893 sometimes, you know, cars get parked when there's no spaces. 00:43:39.895 --> 00:43:43.596 parked when there's no spaces. On the paved area. or in in the 00:43:43.598 --> 00:43:45.532 On the paved area. or in in the sports areas, uh, would that 00:43:45.534 --> 00:43:47.300 sports areas, uh, would that fall within, you know, would, 00:43:47.302 --> 00:43:48.101 fall within, you know, would, would there be ticket or would 00:43:48.103 --> 00:43:51.037 would there be ticket or would there be, you know, would this? 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:52.372 there be, you know, would this? Ordinance, uh, prohibit those 00:43:52.374 --> 00:43:56.676 Ordinance, uh, prohibit those kind of. Short term Thank you, 00:43:56.678 --> 00:43:58.144 kind of. Short term Thank you, Chair Frazier and members of 00:43:58.146 --> 00:43:59.479 Chair Frazier and members of the planning commission know in 00:43:59.481 --> 00:44:02.015 the planning commission know in this instance, this is for when 00:44:02.017 --> 00:44:02.849 this instance, this is for when our environmental health team 00:44:02.851 --> 00:44:05.351 our environmental health team goes out to do, we do proactive 00:44:05.353 --> 00:44:07.320 goes out to do, we do proactive sweeps throughout the community, 00:44:07.322 --> 00:44:08.822 sweeps throughout the community, um, to ensure community 00:44:08.824 --> 00:44:10.991 um, to ensure community wellness and our um. Our 00:44:10.993 --> 00:44:11.958 wellness and our um. Our colleagues have found that 00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.926 colleagues have found that there are a number of 00:44:13.928 --> 00:44:15.795 there are a number of residential properties on which 00:44:15.797 --> 00:44:17.297 residential properties on which people park their vehicles next 00:44:17.299 --> 00:44:20.267 people park their vehicles next to the driveway. Uh, which 00:44:20.269 --> 00:44:22.068 to the driveway. Uh, which erodes the, the ground next to 00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:24.036 erodes the, the ground next to that and runs risk of 00:44:24.038 --> 00:44:24.871 that and runs risk of contaminating the soil. So this 00:44:24.873 --> 00:44:27.774 contaminating the soil. So this is for a long. Typically for 00:44:27.776 --> 00:44:29.175 is for a long. Typically for longer term parking, those 00:44:29.177 --> 00:44:31.078 longer term parking, those events that you speak of are 00:44:31.080 --> 00:44:32.712 events that you speak of are typically covered under our 00:44:32.714 --> 00:44:35.081 typically covered under our special events permits and so 00:44:35.083 --> 00:44:36.449 special events permits and so they have already spoken with 00:44:36.451 --> 00:44:39.319 they have already spoken with the city and gotten permission 00:44:39.321 --> 00:44:40.120 the city and gotten permission for additional parking where 00:44:40.122 --> 00:44:47.026 for additional parking where necessary. OK thank you sure. 00:44:47.028 --> 00:44:51.297 necessary. OK thank you sure. Um, I thank you very much, um. 00:44:51.299 --> 00:44:52.699 Um, I thank you very much, um. My concern, uh, you know, goes 00:44:52.701 --> 00:44:55.401 My concern, uh, you know, goes back to the uh definition of 00:44:55.403 --> 00:44:58.705 back to the uh definition of what a fence is. Um, unless 00:44:58.707 --> 00:45:02.576 what a fence is. Um, unless there are Other descriptions 00:45:02.578 --> 00:45:04.711 there are Other descriptions elsewhere. This the definition 00:45:04.713 --> 00:45:09.182 elsewhere. This the definition of my opinion is, uh, well, I 00:45:09.184 --> 00:45:12.118 of my opinion is, uh, well, I Maybe go go back and revisit my 00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:16.222 Maybe go go back and revisit my concern a while ago, uh. 00:45:16.224 --> 00:45:18.558 concern a while ago, uh. Somebody tried to install an 00:45:18.560 --> 00:45:21.528 Somebody tried to install an electric fence. So with this. 00:45:21.530 --> 00:45:22.996 electric fence. So with this. definition of what expenses 00:45:22.998 --> 00:45:25.398 definition of what expenses that would not be out of the 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:27.767 that would not be out of the ordinary, you know that would 00:45:27.769 --> 00:45:28.869 ordinary, you know that would go through and any other fence 00:45:28.871 --> 00:45:34.707 go through and any other fence that. We may deem, you know, uh, 00:45:34.709 --> 00:45:36.977 that. We may deem, you know, uh, some people may dangerous to uh 00:45:36.979 --> 00:45:38.812 some people may dangerous to uh people, wildlife or what, what, 00:45:38.814 --> 00:45:42.782 people, wildlife or what, what, what, whatever. So, um, How 00:45:42.784 --> 00:45:44.050 what, whatever. So, um, How does this definition handle a 00:45:44.052 --> 00:45:46.852 does this definition handle a situation like that. If I might 00:45:46.854 --> 00:45:49.489 situation like that. If I might ask Thank you, Chair Frasier 00:45:49.491 --> 00:45:50.690 ask Thank you, Chair Frasier and members of the planning 00:45:50.692 --> 00:45:52.392 and members of the planning commission, uh, for the fence 00:45:52.394 --> 00:45:55.662 commission, uh, for the fence definition, we, we did adopt 00:45:55.664 --> 00:45:56.929 definition, we, we did adopt the Merriam-Webster's 00:45:56.931 --> 00:45:58.197 the Merriam-Webster's definition of offense, just for 00:45:58.199 --> 00:45:59.899 definition of offense, just for clarification, I know that the 00:45:59.901 --> 00:46:02.269 clarification, I know that the code does differ to the common 00:46:02.271 --> 00:46:03.836 code does differ to the common definition if one is available, 00:46:03.838 --> 00:46:09.109 definition if one is available, um. I, I don't, I'm apologize. 00:46:09.111 --> 00:46:11.377 um. I, I don't, I'm apologize. I do not know of any instances 00:46:11.379 --> 00:46:12.812 I do not know of any instances where someone would install an 00:46:12.814 --> 00:46:14.748 where someone would install an electric fence that wouldn't be 00:46:14.750 --> 00:46:16.683 electric fence that wouldn't be like a boundary fence enclosing 00:46:16.685 --> 00:46:18.918 like a boundary fence enclosing the area or trying to prove. 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.420 the area or trying to prove. Prevent egress, so I, I, we had 00:46:21.422 --> 00:46:24.257 Prevent egress, so I, I, we had not considered that. I 00:46:24.259 --> 00:46:25.825 not considered that. I appreciate it it came up and we 00:46:25.827 --> 00:46:29.496 appreciate it it came up and we had a, a healthy debate on that 00:46:29.498 --> 00:46:31.097 had a, a healthy debate on that and, you know, in my opinion, 00:46:31.099 --> 00:46:32.999 and, you know, in my opinion, you know, the, at that time, 00:46:33.001 --> 00:46:37.303 you know, the, at that time, even though I did not know so 00:46:37.305 --> 00:46:39.239 even though I did not know so supported but there was nothing 00:46:39.241 --> 00:46:40.640 supported but there was nothing that could have prevented it. 00:46:40.642 --> 00:46:42.308 that could have prevented it. You know, you know, from, from 00:46:42.310 --> 00:46:45.111 You know, you know, from, from being built, you know, it was a 00:46:45.113 --> 00:46:46.479 being built, you know, it was a fences are prohibited on our 00:46:46.481 --> 00:46:49.081 fences are prohibited on our use table so we this isn't this 00:46:49.083 --> 00:46:50.850 use table so we this isn't this is not removing or replacing, 00:46:50.852 --> 00:46:53.987 is not removing or replacing, we have a, a fence standards 00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:56.189 we have a, a fence standards section. So there is an 00:46:56.191 --> 00:46:57.357 section. So there is an additional development section 00:46:57.359 --> 00:47:00.059 additional development section within the code, um, that 00:47:00.061 --> 00:47:02.595 within the code, um, that defines how fences can go in. 00:47:02.597 --> 00:47:03.963 defines how fences can go in. And where fences can go, how 00:47:03.965 --> 00:47:05.932 And where fences can go, how tall they can be, we just did 00:47:05.934 --> 00:47:07.500 tall they can be, we just did not have a definition of what 00:47:07.502 --> 00:47:09.068 not have a definition of what offense is, and so that's where 00:47:09.070 --> 00:47:14.807 offense is, and so that's where I think that's where. There's, 00:47:14.809 --> 00:47:16.209 I think that's where. There's, I'm still a little confused. So 00:47:16.211 --> 00:47:18.645 I'm still a little confused. So uh so you're saying you have 2 00:47:18.647 --> 00:47:20.580 uh so you're saying you have 2 or 3 different places that 00:47:20.582 --> 00:47:23.115 or 3 different places that somebody has to look to fully 00:47:23.117 --> 00:47:25.051 somebody has to look to fully understand what qualifies as a 00:47:25.053 --> 00:47:29.990 understand what qualifies as a legal offense. That's Um That 00:47:29.992 --> 00:47:35.094 legal offense. That's Um That is confusing to say the least. 00:47:35.096 --> 00:47:36.396 is confusing to say the least. um Chair Fraser, Commissioner 00:47:36.398 --> 00:47:39.465 um Chair Fraser, Commissioner Rudama, yes, uh, it is very 00:47:39.467 --> 00:47:40.400 Rudama, yes, uh, it is very that's very true. Uh, you know, 00:47:40.402 --> 00:47:43.870 that's very true. Uh, you know, this, this is the nature of 00:47:43.872 --> 00:47:44.704 this, this is the nature of regulation and ordinances, you 00:47:44.706 --> 00:47:46.639 regulation and ordinances, you know, you'll recall that when 00:47:46.641 --> 00:47:48.475 know, you'll recall that when we, when we, when we took 00:47:48.477 --> 00:47:51.511 we, when we, when we took through Um, all of these 00:47:51.513 --> 00:47:52.779 through Um, all of these changes last year, you recall 00:47:52.781 --> 00:47:54.281 changes last year, you recall we we sat down over, over the 00:47:54.283 --> 00:47:56.649 we we sat down over, over the course of several months at at 00:47:56.651 --> 00:47:57.250 course of several months at at work sessions upstairs, you 00:47:57.252 --> 00:47:59.085 work sessions upstairs, you know, pouring through all these 00:47:59.087 --> 00:48:01.487 know, pouring through all these details of the ordinance and 00:48:01.489 --> 00:48:03.423 details of the ordinance and among the several goals that we 00:48:03.425 --> 00:48:05.858 among the several goals that we had for that update was to at 00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:07.827 had for that update was to at least take a first step in 00:48:07.829 --> 00:48:09.896 least take a first step in making the ordinance more 00:48:09.898 --> 00:48:11.831 making the ordinance more readable and easier to use, um, 00:48:11.833 --> 00:48:15.068 readable and easier to use, um, that's the first step of a long 00:48:15.070 --> 00:48:17.036 that's the first step of a long journey. The ordinances are 00:48:17.038 --> 00:48:17.970 journey. The ordinances are very confusing. You're 00:48:17.972 --> 00:48:19.172 very confusing. You're absolutely right. If you want 00:48:19.174 --> 00:48:21.040 absolutely right. If you want to know everything. that apply 00:48:21.042 --> 00:48:22.642 to know everything. that apply all the rules that apply to 00:48:22.644 --> 00:48:25.044 all the rules that apply to offense, um. It probably is 00:48:25.046 --> 00:48:26.879 offense, um. It probably is about 3 places, I think that 00:48:26.881 --> 00:48:27.947 about 3 places, I think that you have to look to get all 00:48:27.949 --> 00:48:30.316 you have to look to get all that information, if not more, 00:48:30.318 --> 00:48:31.751 that information, if not more, um, but then what we do as 00:48:31.753 --> 00:48:35.121 um, but then what we do as staff is to help homeowners in 00:48:35.123 --> 00:48:36.522 staff is to help homeowners in particular to um understand all 00:48:36.524 --> 00:48:39.492 particular to um understand all that as we produce um handouts 00:48:39.494 --> 00:48:41.094 that as we produce um handouts and web web pages that bring 00:48:41.096 --> 00:48:43.329 and web web pages that bring that all together in a much 00:48:43.331 --> 00:48:44.931 that all together in a much more readable fashion with 00:48:44.933 --> 00:48:47.466 more readable fashion with visuals and and site plans and 00:48:47.468 --> 00:48:49.135 visuals and and site plans and photos, uh, to help people 00:48:49.137 --> 00:48:50.537 photos, uh, to help people understand that because you're 00:48:50.539 --> 00:48:52.539 understand that because you're right, it's very difficult to, 00:48:52.541 --> 00:48:53.340 right, it's very difficult to, to read all this in, in code 00:48:53.342 --> 00:48:55.875 to read all this in, in code language. and understand it all. 00:48:55.877 --> 00:48:58.077 language. and understand it all. Right, so um we're following up 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:01.348 Right, so um we're following up if the uh First students people 00:49:01.350 --> 00:49:04.784 if the uh First students people from North Carolina. Had um To 00:49:04.786 --> 00:49:06.619 from North Carolina. Had um To do this all over again, um, 00:49:06.621 --> 00:49:13.559 do this all over again, um, would they still. be uh Able to 00:49:13.561 --> 00:49:14.627 would they still. be uh Able to uh uh you know in you know in 00:49:14.629 --> 00:49:16.629 uh uh you know in you know in compliance, you know, bring 00:49:16.631 --> 00:49:19.532 compliance, you know, bring that uh re request again to do 00:49:19.534 --> 00:49:21.201 that uh re request again to do a uh an electric, the electric 00:49:21.203 --> 00:49:22.768 a uh an electric, the electric fence by, by a park. Would that 00:49:22.770 --> 00:49:28.307 fence by, by a park. Would that still be? Chair for an example 00:49:28.309 --> 00:49:29.775 still be? Chair for an example of the Commission, thank you to 00:49:29.777 --> 00:49:31.611 of the Commission, thank you to answer that question, know what 00:49:31.613 --> 00:49:34.981 answer that question, know what this zoning code update, um, we 00:49:34.983 --> 00:49:36.383 this zoning code update, um, we actually added electric fences 00:49:36.385 --> 00:49:37.917 actually added electric fences to the use table and state 00:49:37.919 --> 00:49:39.418 to the use table and state statute, the state statute that 00:49:39.420 --> 00:49:42.188 statute, the state statute that gives the city the authority to 00:49:42.190 --> 00:49:44.123 gives the city the authority to consider a variance does not 00:49:44.125 --> 00:49:47.527 consider a variance does not permit a use variance, it only 00:49:47.529 --> 00:49:49.729 permit a use variance, it only or will only permit a variance 00:49:49.731 --> 00:49:51.664 or will only permit a variance from development standards. So 00:49:51.666 --> 00:49:52.598 from development standards. So previously, the way that the 00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:54.333 previously, the way that the code was written, electric 00:49:54.335 --> 00:49:58.137 code was written, electric fences. The The development 00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:00.606 fences. The The development standard was that the fence was 00:50:00.608 --> 00:50:02.008 standard was that the fence was electrified and now on our use 00:50:02.010 --> 00:50:04.477 electrified and now on our use table, electric fences as a use 00:50:04.479 --> 00:50:06.413 table, electric fences as a use are not permitted. So the city 00:50:06.415 --> 00:50:08.281 are not permitted. So the city would not be able to consider a 00:50:08.283 --> 00:50:10.083 would not be able to consider a variance for a use, so electric 00:50:10.085 --> 00:50:11.417 variance for a use, so electric fences would not be able to be 00:50:11.419 --> 00:50:14.020 fences would not be able to be considered at all. OK, so you 00:50:14.022 --> 00:50:15.621 considered at all. OK, so you just won't find that on this 00:50:15.623 --> 00:50:16.956 just won't find that on this amendment. It has to be 00:50:16.958 --> 00:50:18.257 amendment. It has to be elsewhere. Is that correct? 00:50:18.259 --> 00:50:22.662 elsewhere. Is that correct? That's elsewhere. still 00:50:22.664 --> 00:50:27.233 That's elsewhere. still confusing, but thank you, 00:50:27.235 --> 00:50:31.904 confusing, but thank you, Commissioner Geba. Yeah A quick 00:50:31.906 --> 00:50:33.405 Commissioner Geba. Yeah A quick question on this one, I'm just, 00:50:33.407 --> 00:50:35.574 question on this one, I'm just, I was looking at this uh site 00:50:35.576 --> 00:50:41.181 I was looking at this uh site plan review. Excuse me. OK, 00:50:41.183 --> 00:50:44.017 plan review. Excuse me. OK, when I really push this. Last 00:50:44.019 --> 00:50:45.585 when I really push this. Last portion of the, uh, what you 00:50:45.587 --> 00:50:49.322 portion of the, uh, what you say, without this. takes an a 00:50:49.324 --> 00:50:52.258 say, without this. takes an a side plan changes will require 00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:55.561 side plan changes will require a formal site plan review. No. 00:50:55.563 --> 00:50:59.198 a formal site plan review. No. So There's an added The 00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:01.133 So There's an added The administrative site. plan 00:51:01.135 --> 00:51:07.207 administrative site. plan review What does that entails? 00:51:07.209 --> 00:51:08.675 review What does that entails? When you say administrative 00:51:08.677 --> 00:51:10.643 When you say administrative site. Chair Frazier, members of 00:51:10.645 --> 00:51:12.111 site. Chair Frazier, members of the planning commission, there 00:51:12.113 --> 00:51:14.046 the planning commission, there are two different types of 00:51:14.048 --> 00:51:15.481 are two different types of administrative site plan review. 00:51:15.483 --> 00:51:16.883 administrative site plan review. There is the administrative 00:51:16.885 --> 00:51:18.351 There is the administrative site plan review where it's a 00:51:18.353 --> 00:51:20.353 site plan review where it's a very simple addition, such as 00:51:20.355 --> 00:51:21.888 very simple addition, such as those entryways where the 00:51:21.890 --> 00:51:23.890 those entryways where the planning staff would do their 00:51:23.892 --> 00:51:25.558 planning staff would do their zoning review as a portion of 00:51:25.560 --> 00:51:28.895 zoning review as a portion of the building permit. We have 00:51:28.897 --> 00:51:30.563 the building permit. We have one where it is a little more 00:51:30.565 --> 00:51:33.299 one where it is a little more in depth where we would need to 00:51:33.301 --> 00:51:35.268 in depth where we would need to consult other departments such 00:51:35.270 --> 00:51:37.770 consult other departments such as fire or engineering, um, 00:51:37.772 --> 00:51:40.072 as fire or engineering, um, that looks very similar to the 00:51:40.074 --> 00:51:40.706 that looks very similar to the planning commission document 00:51:40.708 --> 00:51:42.475 planning commission document that you receive for your site 00:51:42.477 --> 00:51:44.010 that you receive for your site plan review, but they meet the 00:51:44.012 --> 00:51:45.878 plan review, but they meet the criteria for it to be 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.513 criteria for it to be administrative, so staff puts 00:51:47.515 --> 00:51:50.750 administrative, so staff puts together a a full code analysis 00:51:50.752 --> 00:51:52.852 together a a full code analysis so that we can show that they 00:51:52.854 --> 00:51:55.254 so that we can show that they meet the code and then a memo 00:51:55.256 --> 00:51:56.522 meet the code and then a memo is sent to the applicant and we 00:51:56.524 --> 00:51:58.925 is sent to the applicant and we have, we Keep those 00:51:58.927 --> 00:52:00.193 have, we Keep those administrative site plan review 00:52:00.195 --> 00:52:03.329 administrative site plan review documents, um, as a, as if it 00:52:03.331 --> 00:52:05.198 documents, um, as a, as if it were a development case, but it 00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:06.666 were a development case, but it doesn't require the public 00:52:06.668 --> 00:52:07.333 doesn't require the public hearing and city council 00:52:07.335 --> 00:52:11.971 hearing and city council approval. OK, so, uh, just to 00:52:11.973 --> 00:52:15.274 approval. OK, so, uh, just to follow up on that, so to have 00:52:15.276 --> 00:52:18.578 follow up on that, so to have give me some clarity on it. 00:52:18.580 --> 00:52:23.115 give me some clarity on it. What is considered. My manor 00:52:23.117 --> 00:52:25.818 What is considered. My manor site plan. Expansion. What, 00:52:25.820 --> 00:52:28.420 site plan. Expansion. What, what, what in, in general is 00:52:28.422 --> 00:52:29.254 what, what in, in general is considered minor when you come 00:52:29.256 --> 00:52:32.625 considered minor when you come to a sight plane. How can you, 00:52:32.627 --> 00:52:34.060 to a sight plane. How can you, is it just, you can get, you 00:52:34.062 --> 00:52:36.729 is it just, you can get, you know, see and know what is 00:52:36.731 --> 00:52:41.300 know, see and know what is minor or what is major. So that 00:52:41.302 --> 00:52:42.534 minor or what is major. So that comes down to uh when the 00:52:42.536 --> 00:52:44.704 comes down to uh when the applicant comes in, we require 00:52:44.706 --> 00:52:46.238 applicant comes in, we require that their architect provide us 00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:48.007 that their architect provide us with those numbers. They 00:52:48.009 --> 00:52:49.909 with those numbers. They provide the, the square footage 00:52:49.911 --> 00:52:51.577 provide the, the square footage of the proposed edition. So 00:52:51.579 --> 00:52:52.845 of the proposed edition. So then staff takes a look and 00:52:52.847 --> 00:52:56.316 then staff takes a look and says, OK, that is 10% or less 00:52:56.318 --> 00:52:57.916 says, OK, that is 10% or less than the footprint of this 00:52:57.918 --> 00:53:00.152 than the footprint of this building. We can proceed with 00:53:00.154 --> 00:53:01.187 building. We can proceed with administrative site plan review 00:53:01.189 --> 00:53:05.491 administrative site plan review or, you know, no, this is a 11%, 00:53:05.493 --> 00:53:07.460 or, you know, no, this is a 11%, we are gonna need you to come 00:53:07.462 --> 00:53:08.460 we are gonna need you to come in for pre-application meeting. 00:53:08.462 --> 00:53:09.795 in for pre-application meeting. We're gonna in all of our 00:53:09.797 --> 00:53:10.930 We're gonna in all of our colleagues from the other 00:53:10.932 --> 00:53:11.798 colleagues from the other departments, and this is going 00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:13.199 departments, and this is going to move forward with the way 00:53:13.201 --> 00:53:14.601 to move forward with the way that the code prescribes with 00:53:14.603 --> 00:53:15.868 that the code prescribes with our formal site plan review, 00:53:15.870 --> 00:53:18.037 our formal site plan review, and then it will come to this 00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.172 and then it will come to this body and then ultimately go to 00:53:20.174 --> 00:53:22.842 body and then ultimately go to city council for approval. OK. 00:53:22.844 --> 00:53:25.211 city council for approval. OK. So in, in a sense, this might 00:53:25.213 --> 00:53:31.417 So in, in a sense, this might not include. Like even though 00:53:31.419 --> 00:53:35.921 not include. Like even though it's 10 not 10% of Uh, so if it 00:53:35.923 --> 00:53:38.524 it's 10 not 10% of Uh, so if it does not include Uh, what they 00:53:38.526 --> 00:53:42.261 does not include Uh, what they call it like. You know, moving 00:53:42.263 --> 00:53:43.429 call it like. You know, moving electrical lines or moving 00:53:43.431 --> 00:53:46.298 electrical lines or moving water lines. There are does 00:53:46.300 --> 00:53:48.367 water lines. There are does that have an effect on how it 00:53:48.369 --> 00:53:50.636 that have an effect on how it is determined. So there are 00:53:50.638 --> 00:53:52.571 is determined. So there are other factors where staff is 00:53:52.573 --> 00:53:56.442 other factors where staff is able to like if so say that the 00:53:56.444 --> 00:53:58.544 able to like if so say that the building is vacant currently. 00:53:58.546 --> 00:54:00.312 building is vacant currently. Uh, picture like an office 00:54:00.314 --> 00:54:03.015 Uh, picture like an office building and say that it is in. 00:54:03.017 --> 00:54:05.985 building and say that it is in. The say it's in a mixed use 00:54:05.987 --> 00:54:07.453 The say it's in a mixed use zoning district and the use 00:54:07.455 --> 00:54:10.256 zoning district and the use that wants to go in and occupy 00:54:10.258 --> 00:54:11.190 that wants to go in and occupy that building is a conditional 00:54:11.192 --> 00:54:14.860 that building is a conditional use. So like an apartment 00:54:14.862 --> 00:54:16.228 use. So like an apartment building or um maybe an 00:54:16.230 --> 00:54:17.163 building or um maybe an assisted living facility. It's, 00:54:17.165 --> 00:54:19.164 assisted living facility. It's, it's can. It's a conditional 00:54:19.166 --> 00:54:22.601 it's can. It's a conditional use permit. And so they need to 00:54:22.603 --> 00:54:23.969 use permit. And so they need to come in for additional 00:54:23.971 --> 00:54:25.671 come in for additional approvals, and they want to do 00:54:25.673 --> 00:54:27.072 approvals, and they want to do an audition at that point 00:54:27.074 --> 00:54:28.408 an audition at that point because a conditional use 00:54:28.410 --> 00:54:31.477 because a conditional use permit is. Added, even if that 00:54:31.479 --> 00:54:33.479 permit is. Added, even if that addition is less than the 10%, 00:54:33.481 --> 00:54:34.413 addition is less than the 10%, the way that the code is 00:54:34.415 --> 00:54:35.481 the way that the code is written, they would need to 00:54:35.483 --> 00:54:37.350 written, they would need to come in. And at that point, 00:54:37.352 --> 00:54:39.719 come in. And at that point, that is what makes sense for 00:54:39.721 --> 00:54:40.819 that is what makes sense for that administrative site plan 00:54:40.821 --> 00:54:42.621 that administrative site plan to turn into a formal site plan 00:54:42.623 --> 00:54:44.156 to turn into a formal site plan review. You know, the reason 00:54:44.158 --> 00:54:45.224 review. You know, the reason I'm asking this because I know 00:54:45.226 --> 00:54:47.493 I'm asking this because I know we're here one time we brought 00:54:47.495 --> 00:54:50.029 we're here one time we brought their own people adding little. 00:54:50.031 --> 00:54:52.031 their own people adding little. I, I partitioned to the 00:54:52.033 --> 00:54:53.833 I, I partitioned to the building for other people for 00:54:53.835 --> 00:54:54.900 building for other people for people to stay or like I think 00:54:54.902 --> 00:54:58.204 people to stay or like I think we, we did some push so that's 00:54:58.206 --> 00:54:59.638 we, we did some push so that's the reason I'm asking the 00:54:59.640 --> 00:55:01.640 the reason I'm asking the question because somebody who 00:55:01.642 --> 00:55:03.042 question because somebody who wanted to pull like outside 00:55:03.044 --> 00:55:04.544 wanted to pull like outside room so my auntie can stay here, 00:55:04.546 --> 00:55:06.846 room so my auntie can stay here, you know. But even though it's 00:55:06.848 --> 00:55:08.948 you know. But even though it's not a big, my house is big, I 00:55:08.950 --> 00:55:10.917 not a big, my house is big, I just wanted to put a little gun 00:55:10.919 --> 00:55:22.561 just wanted to put a little gun in there and so that's Where so 00:55:22.563 --> 00:55:25.231 in there and so that's Where so with that being a residential 00:55:25.233 --> 00:55:27.399 with that being a residential site plan review, if it weren't 00:55:27.401 --> 00:55:29.001 site plan review, if it weren't creating a new living like a 00:55:29.003 --> 00:55:32.371 creating a new living like a new dwelling unit. That would 00:55:32.373 --> 00:55:33.573 new dwelling unit. That would still remain an administrative 00:55:33.575 --> 00:55:35.308 still remain an administrative site plan review as part of the 00:55:35.310 --> 00:55:37.209 site plan review as part of the building permit. Um, I love to 00:55:37.211 --> 00:55:38.677 building permit. Um, I love to hear that you're excited to 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:39.545 hear that you're excited to talk about ADUs though, cause 00:55:39.547 --> 00:55:41.480 talk about ADUs though, cause that is part of the work plan 00:55:41.482 --> 00:55:43.015 that is part of the work plan coming up, uh, we're very 00:55:43.017 --> 00:55:44.884 coming up, uh, we're very excited to talk to you about 00:55:44.886 --> 00:55:47.787 excited to talk to you about that, but that when we get to 00:55:47.789 --> 00:55:48.887 that, but that when we get to that, that would is a good 00:55:48.889 --> 00:55:51.157 that, that would is a good thing to keep in mind because 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.492 thing to keep in mind because we do have the rule where 00:55:53.494 --> 00:55:56.695 we do have the rule where residential. plans are 00:55:56.697 --> 00:55:57.296 residential. plans are administrative review. OK. 00:55:57.298 --> 00:55:59.999 administrative review. OK. Thank you, thank you. I just. 00:56:00.001 --> 00:56:02.501 Thank you, thank you. I just. One of those open up my mind. 00:56:02.503 --> 00:56:04.370 One of those open up my mind. All right, any other questions, 00:56:04.372 --> 00:56:11.377 All right, any other questions, comments on this one? One minor 00:56:11.379 --> 00:56:13.045 comments on this one? One minor maybe for the director. Will, 00:56:13.047 --> 00:56:16.281 maybe for the director. Will, will this, uh, side plan review 00:56:16.283 --> 00:56:20.553 will this, uh, side plan review change uh give. Either And new 00:56:20.555 --> 00:56:22.588 change uh give. Either And new power to, you know, stop 00:56:22.590 --> 00:56:24.757 power to, you know, stop decisions or maybe. You know, 00:56:24.759 --> 00:56:30.663 decisions or maybe. You know, what's pros and cons of this? 00:56:30.665 --> 00:56:31.998 what's pros and cons of this? Um, Cha Fraser, commission 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:32.798 Um, Cha Fraser, commission members, this has been a good 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.099 members, this has been a good conversation. I just want to 00:56:34.101 --> 00:56:35.000 conversation. I just want to reiterate something that Aaron 00:56:35.002 --> 00:56:35.668 reiterate something that Aaron mentioned that's in the staff 00:56:35.670 --> 00:56:37.536 mentioned that's in the staff report is that this is not new. 00:56:37.538 --> 00:56:39.405 report is that this is not new. This is something we 00:56:39.407 --> 00:56:40.839 This is something we inadvertently left out of the, 00:56:40.841 --> 00:56:42.308 inadvertently left out of the, of the new ordinance last 00:56:42.310 --> 00:56:44.143 of the new ordinance last summer. This is, this is 00:56:44.145 --> 00:56:45.210 summer. This is, this is literally a clerical error. Um, 00:56:45.212 --> 00:56:47.279 literally a clerical error. Um, so, you know, it's, it's a good 00:56:47.281 --> 00:56:48.214 so, you know, it's, it's a good discussion to have, um, but 00:56:48.216 --> 00:56:49.549 discussion to have, um, but this is the way it's been for a 00:56:49.551 --> 00:56:51.284 this is the way it's been for a really long time. Um, so we're 00:56:51.286 --> 00:56:53.452 really long time. Um, so we're not, we're not proposing 00:56:53.454 --> 00:56:54.453 not, we're not proposing anything that hasn't been, you 00:56:54.455 --> 00:56:56.822 anything that hasn't been, you know, this is the way it's been, 00:56:56.824 --> 00:56:57.890 know, this is the way it's been, um, so just wanted to clarify 00:56:57.892 --> 00:57:06.098 um, so just wanted to clarify that, yeah. OK. Anything else? 00:57:06.100 --> 00:57:09.167 that, yeah. OK. Anything else? All right, uh, so I'll, um, 00:57:09.169 --> 00:57:10.436 All right, uh, so I'll, um, entertain a motion for this 00:57:10.438 --> 00:57:22.715 entertain a motion for this item. Motion to recommend 00:57:22.717 --> 00:57:26.252 item. Motion to recommend approval of ordinance. Number 00:57:26.254 --> 00:57:33.459 approval of ordinance. Number 2025. Um You don't, you know 00:57:33.461 --> 00:57:35.261 2025. Um You don't, you know that amending chapter 152 of 00:57:35.263 --> 00:57:38.664 that amending chapter 152 of the Brooklyn Park Code. For 00:57:38.666 --> 00:57:40.799 the Brooklyn Park Code. For consistency with the Brooklyn 00:57:40.801 --> 00:57:43.602 consistency with the Brooklyn Park 2040 comprehensive plan. 00:57:43.604 --> 00:57:49.742 Park 2040 comprehensive plan. Second OK, motion has been made 00:57:49.744 --> 00:57:51.209 Second OK, motion has been made and seconded, um, all in favor, 00:57:51.211 --> 00:57:55.814 and seconded, um, all in favor, say aye. Any oppose? Motion 00:57:55.816 --> 00:58:04.156 say aye. Any oppose? Motion passes. To item 6 other 00:58:04.158 --> 00:58:09.228 passes. To item 6 other business, um. Any discussion 00:58:09.230 --> 00:58:11.630 business, um. Any discussion items, anything from uh Like 00:58:11.632 --> 00:58:13.365 items, anything from uh Like the commissioners would like to 00:58:13.367 --> 00:58:32.617 the commissioners would like to discuss today. council member, 00:58:32.619 --> 00:58:35.087 discuss today. council member, do you have any updates for us? 00:58:35.089 --> 00:58:37.222 do you have any updates for us? Thank you, Madam Chair. Excuse 00:58:37.224 --> 00:58:41.427 Thank you, Madam Chair. Excuse me, yes, um. At its regular 00:58:41.429 --> 00:58:43.829 me, yes, um. At its regular meeting on January 27th. The 00:58:43.831 --> 00:58:45.364 meeting on January 27th. The city council unanimously 00:58:45.366 --> 00:58:47.199 city council unanimously approved both applications from 00:58:47.201 --> 00:58:49.468 approved both applications from the January 8th planning 00:58:49.470 --> 00:58:53.005 the January 8th planning commission meeting. The plat 00:58:53.007 --> 00:58:54.406 commission meeting. The plat application at 8708 Greenhaven 00:58:54.408 --> 00:58:57.944 application at 8708 Greenhaven Drive North. Bless you. And the 00:58:57.946 --> 00:59:00.613 Drive North. Bless you. And the site plan review and variances 00:59:00.615 --> 00:59:01.280 site plan review and variances applications at 7th Day 00:59:01.282 --> 00:59:03.215 applications at 7th Day Adventist Church. And that's 00:59:03.217 --> 00:59:10.689 Adventist Church. And that's all. Thank you. Thank you. 00:59:10.691 --> 00:59:11.323 all. Thank you. Thank you. Anything from the planning 00:59:11.325 --> 00:59:16.895 Anything from the planning commission. So we did planning 00:59:16.897 --> 00:59:18.597 commission. So we did planning commissioners comments. Staffly 00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.134 commissioners comments. Staffly Hazel The Grand Chair, members 00:59:22.136 --> 00:59:23.803 Hazel The Grand Chair, members of the commission, I have just 00:59:23.805 --> 00:59:26.772 of the commission, I have just a few announcements, um, one, 00:59:26.774 --> 00:59:29.575 a few announcements, um, one, you'll recall that there was a 00:59:29.577 --> 00:59:30.709 you'll recall that there was a um kickoff public meeting for 00:59:30.711 --> 00:59:31.978 um kickoff public meeting for the Northwest Growth Area Plan 00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:33.579 the Northwest Growth Area Plan last month, January 22nd over 00:59:33.581 --> 00:59:37.450 last month, January 22nd over at the small business center, 00:59:37.452 --> 00:59:39.852 at the small business center, um, the survey, uh, from that 00:59:39.854 --> 00:59:42.654 um, the survey, uh, from that open house is still available 00:59:42.656 --> 00:59:44.256 open house is still available online and we're encouraging uh 00:59:44.258 --> 00:59:45.191 online and we're encouraging uh the broader Brooklyn Park 00:59:45.193 --> 00:59:46.225 the broader Brooklyn Park community and each and every 00:59:46.227 --> 00:59:48.727 community and each and every one of you is active 00:59:48.729 --> 00:59:49.996 one of you is active participants in the world of 00:59:49.998 --> 00:59:51.897 participants in the world of planning in Brooklyn Park to. 00:59:51.899 --> 00:59:55.300 planning in Brooklyn Park to. take that survey, um, you can 00:59:55.302 --> 00:59:57.302 take that survey, um, you can either just search for um 00:59:57.304 --> 00:59:59.772 either just search for um Northwest growth area plan or 00:59:59.774 --> 01:00:01.039 Northwest growth area plan or um we have on the table over 01:00:01.041 --> 01:00:04.276 um we have on the table over there. Um, handouts with a QR 01:00:04.278 --> 01:00:06.745 there. Um, handouts with a QR code that will bring you to the 01:00:06.747 --> 01:00:08.614 code that will bring you to the survey, so please do take the 01:00:08.616 --> 01:00:10.483 survey, so please do take the time to do that, uh, before the 01:00:10.485 --> 01:00:13.318 time to do that, uh, before the end of the month. Um, and 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.353 end of the month. Um, and that's a, that leads me to my 01:00:15.355 --> 01:00:16.755 that's a, that leads me to my next announce announcement, 01:00:16.757 --> 01:00:19.225 next announce announcement, which is, um, on March 17th, 01:00:19.227 --> 01:00:20.292 which is, um, on March 17th, we'll be sending you this over 01:00:20.294 --> 01:00:22.528 we'll be sending you this over email and we'll send you a um a 01:00:22.530 --> 01:00:23.229 email and we'll send you a um a calendar invitation as well, so 01:00:23.231 --> 01:00:24.563 calendar invitation as well, so you have it on your calendar. 01:00:24.565 --> 01:00:28.233 you have it on your calendar. Uh but on March 17th, uh, at 6 01:00:28.235 --> 01:00:30.803 Uh but on March 17th, uh, at 6 p.m. there will be a joint 01:00:30.805 --> 01:00:33.272 p.m. there will be a joint meeting of the city council and 01:00:33.274 --> 01:00:35.540 meeting of the city council and the planning commission to, um, 01:00:35.542 --> 01:00:36.909 the planning commission to, um, learn the results of that 01:00:36.911 --> 01:00:40.245 learn the results of that survey, uh, about the Northwest 01:00:40.247 --> 01:00:42.114 survey, uh, about the Northwest growth area plan and discuss 01:00:42.116 --> 01:00:43.916 growth area plan and discuss some options for Um, how land 01:00:43.918 --> 01:00:46.886 some options for Um, how land uses could be laid out in that 01:00:46.888 --> 01:00:48.154 uses could be laid out in that Northwest area based on the 01:00:48.156 --> 01:00:50.622 Northwest area based on the feedback, um, that we're 01:00:50.624 --> 01:00:52.057 feedback, um, that we're gathering from the public, so. 01:00:52.059 --> 01:00:54.826 gathering from the public, so. Uh, hope you can all make that 01:00:54.828 --> 01:00:56.962 Uh, hope you can all make that meeting, um, those of you who 01:00:56.964 --> 01:00:58.897 meeting, um, those of you who are who were around when we 01:00:58.899 --> 01:01:00.833 are who were around when we were doing that 610 corridor 01:01:00.835 --> 01:01:02.801 were doing that 610 corridor development study that Aaron 01:01:02.803 --> 01:01:03.936 development study that Aaron was speaking about earlier, um, 01:01:03.938 --> 01:01:05.671 was speaking about earlier, um, I think you'll remember that we 01:01:05.673 --> 01:01:07.706 I think you'll remember that we had some very good dialogue 01:01:07.708 --> 01:01:09.542 had some very good dialogue between the city council and 01:01:09.544 --> 01:01:10.476 between the city council and the planning commission jointly 01:01:10.478 --> 01:01:12.010 the planning commission jointly in the same room on that topic, 01:01:12.012 --> 01:01:14.413 in the same room on that topic, and so we're looking forward to 01:01:14.415 --> 01:01:16.448 and so we're looking forward to doing a similar format, uh, for 01:01:16.450 --> 01:01:17.950 doing a similar format, uh, for the Northwest growth area plan. 01:01:17.952 --> 01:01:19.952 the Northwest growth area plan. Um, so look, look in your email 01:01:19.954 --> 01:01:23.589 Um, so look, look in your email for that. Um, and, um, another 01:01:23.591 --> 01:01:25.423 for that. Um, and, um, another calendar item that you will 01:01:25.425 --> 01:01:26.825 calendar item that you will also get an email and calendar 01:01:26.827 --> 01:01:30.028 also get an email and calendar invite for you on April 23rd. 01:01:30.030 --> 01:01:32.231 invite for you on April 23rd. Um, that would be the 4th. 01:01:32.233 --> 01:01:33.499 Um, that would be the 4th. Wednesday in April, this will 01:01:33.501 --> 01:01:36.102 Wednesday in April, this will take the place of the planning 01:01:36.104 --> 01:01:37.570 take the place of the planning commission work session that 01:01:37.572 --> 01:01:40.506 commission work session that month, April 23rd, there will 01:01:40.508 --> 01:01:43.575 month, April 23rd, there will be a development tour of um 01:01:43.577 --> 01:01:45.311 be a development tour of um both existing new, new 01:01:45.313 --> 01:01:46.779 both existing new, new developments in Brooklyn Park 01:01:46.781 --> 01:01:48.380 developments in Brooklyn Park as well as development 01:01:48.382 --> 01:01:50.649 as well as development opportunities, um, that will be 01:01:50.651 --> 01:01:51.683 opportunities, um, that will be another joint opportunity for 01:01:51.685 --> 01:01:53.252 another joint opportunity for both the city council and the 01:01:53.254 --> 01:01:54.086 both the city council and the planning commission. Uh, that 01:01:54.088 --> 01:01:55.187 planning commission. Uh, that will be at 5 o'clock. We'll 01:01:55.189 --> 01:01:57.122 will be at 5 o'clock. We'll meet at, we'll meet at City 01:01:57.124 --> 01:01:58.290 meet at, we'll meet at City Hall and get on a bus from 01:01:58.292 --> 01:01:59.625 Hall and get on a bus from there. So again, you'll get all 01:01:59.627 --> 01:02:02.094 there. So again, you'll get all these details in your email. Um, 01:02:02.096 --> 01:02:03.862 these details in your email. Um, OK, couple more announcements. 01:02:03.864 --> 01:02:07.333 OK, couple more announcements. Uh, finally, I do want to, um, 01:02:07.335 --> 01:02:09.201 Uh, finally, I do want to, um, welcome our newest staff member, 01:02:09.203 --> 01:02:11.036 welcome our newest staff member, Ozma Jihad, who was sitting in 01:02:11.038 --> 01:02:17.142 Ozma Jihad, who was sitting in the back way. Uh, Ozma is our 01:02:17.144 --> 01:02:18.477 the back way. Uh, Ozma is our new program assistant, uh, uh, 01:02:18.479 --> 01:02:21.480 new program assistant, uh, uh, she's in the role that Matt was 01:02:21.482 --> 01:02:23.482 she's in the role that Matt was in um previously before Matt 01:02:23.484 --> 01:02:24.150 in um previously before Matt became associate planner. uh, 01:02:24.152 --> 01:02:25.017 became associate planner. uh, so we're really excited to have 01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:27.886 so we're really excited to have Ozma on board. She's been with 01:02:27.888 --> 01:02:29.355 Ozma on board. She's been with us since January 13th, um, 01:02:29.357 --> 01:02:31.890 us since January 13th, um, prior to that, Ozma was working 01:02:31.892 --> 01:02:34.359 prior to that, Ozma was working as an intern in the community 01:02:34.361 --> 01:02:36.228 as an intern in the community development department since 01:02:36.230 --> 01:02:37.996 development department since last spring, uh, OSMA is 01:02:37.998 --> 01:02:38.630 last spring, uh, OSMA is finishing up her master's 01:02:38.632 --> 01:02:40.966 finishing up her master's degree at the University of 01:02:40.968 --> 01:02:42.234 degree at the University of Minnesota in urban and regional 01:02:42.236 --> 01:02:43.302 Minnesota in urban and regional planning. We'll be done with 01:02:43.304 --> 01:02:44.803 planning. We'll be done with that this spring, uh, and. 01:02:44.805 --> 01:02:47.640 that this spring, uh, and. importantly, is a native of 01:02:47.642 --> 01:02:49.441 importantly, is a native of Brooklyn Park residents. Nice 01:02:49.443 --> 01:02:53.579 Brooklyn Park residents. Nice bonus. Uh, and the final 01:02:53.581 --> 01:02:55.047 bonus. Uh, and the final announcement is, uh, just 01:02:55.049 --> 01:02:56.182 announcement is, uh, just logistics for the for the work 01:02:56.184 --> 01:02:57.716 logistics for the for the work session that we're about to 01:02:57.718 --> 01:02:59.017 session that we're about to adjourn to, um, it was 01:02:59.019 --> 01:03:00.719 adjourn to, um, it was advertised as being an A203, we 01:03:00.721 --> 01:03:02.621 advertised as being an A203, we will be actually down the hall 01:03:02.623 --> 01:03:04.456 will be actually down the hall in a 206. There's a charter 01:03:04.458 --> 01:03:05.290 in a 206. There's a charter committee meeting happening in 01:03:05.292 --> 01:03:06.692 committee meeting happening in that other room, so we'll see 01:03:06.694 --> 01:03:14.199 that other room, so we'll see you up there. You All right. So 01:03:14.201 --> 01:03:15.000 you up there. You All right. So anything else before we adjourn? 01:03:15.002 --> 01:03:20.139 anything else before we adjourn? Right here and here nothing, so 01:03:20.141 --> 01:03:25.644 Right here and here nothing, so made an adjourn for the night.