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Hm, uh, we'll call the meeting to order at uh. 7:01 p.m. We'll 00:00:14.325 --> 00:00:23.199

to order at uh. 7:01 p.m. We'll start with roll call. Kevin, 00:00:23.201 --> 00:00:26.202

start with roll call. Kevin, excused. Commissioner Wacko

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excused. Commissioner Wacko present. Commissioner Barr 00:00:31.609 --> 00:00:36.212

present. Commissioner Barr Commissioner Corroso.

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Commissioner Corroso. Commissioner Fraser. present. 00:00:40.952 --> 00:00:48.891

Commissioner Fraser. present. Commissioner Araja. right Good.

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Commissioner Araja. right Good. Thanks. Thank you. Commissioner 00:00:51.829 --> 00:00:56.699

Thanks. Thank you. Commissioner Odoma. Yeah. Commissioner guy

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Odoma. Yeah. Commissioner guy by? To Commissioner Turner. 00:01:02.440 --> 00:01:07.510

by? To Commissioner Turner. Excused Consular, yeah. Thank

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Excused Consular, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, we have a call.

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you. Yeah, we have a call. Thank you. Please stand for the 00:01:11.883 --> 00:01:19.054

Thank you. Please stand for the pleasure of allegiance. the

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pleasure of allegiance. the United States. I. for all. Look 00:01:41.078 --> 00:01:43.012

United States. I. for all. Look All right, we'll move on to

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All right, we'll move on to item number 2. Please be

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item number 2. Please be advised that the public hearing

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advised that the public hearing are recording and televised 00:01:50.288 --> 00:01:51.854

are recording and televised live on cable television and

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live on cable television and web stream over the Internet at

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web stream over the Internet at Brooklyn Park.org. The audio

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Brooklyn Park.org. The audio system will not pick up

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system will not pick up comments from the sea and area.

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comments from the sea and area. If you want to be heard and 00:02:01.232 --> 00:02:03.565

If you want to be heard and made part of the public record,

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made part of the public record, please go to the podium. Or if

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please go to the podium. Or if participating remotely, turn on

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participating remotely, turn on your camera, speak into the 00:02:10.441 --> 00:02:12.141

your camera, speak into the microphone, stating your full

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microphone, stating your full name and address. Please sign

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name and address. Please sign the public hearing log on the

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the public hearing log on the table near the entrance of the

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table near the entrance of the council chambers. If you are 00:02:23.154 --> 00:02:25.487

council chambers. If you are attendant in person to ensure

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attendant in person to ensure accuracy of name and address in

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accuracy of name and address in the public record. Please note 00:02:30.227 --> 00:02:32.561

the public record. Please note that the agenda for tonight's

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that the agenda for tonight's meeting indicate that the

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meeting indicate that the commission chair has the

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commission chair has the prerogative to institute a 00:02:40.572 --> 00:02:42.004

prerogative to institute a Limits on speaking during any

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Limits on speaking during any public hearing. In the interest

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public hearing. In the interest of remaining um. Maintaining a

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of remaining um. Maintaining a focus, um, And the effective 00:02:52.550 --> 00:02:55.184

focus, um, And the effective use of time. Thank you in

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use of time. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

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advance for your cooperation. The planning commission

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The planning commission consists of 9 resident 00:03:01.392 --> 00:03:02.458

consists of 9 resident volunteer members appointed by

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volunteer members appointed by the city council. To advise the

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the city council. To advise the city council of planning and

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city council of planning and land use issues. The commission 00:03:14.338 --> 00:03:15.738

land use issues. The commission discusses and evaluates

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discusses and evaluates development proposal based on 00:03:20.044 --> 00:03:21.944

development proposal based on zoning regulation and

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zoning regulation and comprehensive plan policies.

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comprehensive plan policies. The planning commission. Vote

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The planning commission. Vote is a recommendation. That is

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is a recommendation. That is forwarded to the city council. 00:03:32.757 --> 00:03:34.290

forwarded to the city council. For official uh and final

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For official uh and final action. Thank you. We'll move

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action. Thank you. We'll move on to approval of the agenda. 00:03:41.766 --> 00:03:43.532

on to approval of the agenda. Do you have any additions to

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Do you have any additions to the agenda? He none I'll accept

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the agenda? He none I'll accept the motion to approve the 00:03:50.675 --> 00:03:53.409

the motion to approve the agenda as is. You have a second

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agenda as is. You have a second Like a Motion main and 2nd, all

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Like a Motion main and 2nd, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any 00:04:00.418 --> 00:04:12.828

in favor say aye. Aye. Any oppose? Motion passes. We'll 00:04:12.830 --> 00:04:15.965

oppose? Motion passes. We'll move on to consent item number

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move on to consent item number 4, approval of the amendments

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4, approval of the amendments from January 8th. Any changes, 00:04:24.074 --> 00:04:31.781

from January 8th. Any changes, corrections to the uh minutes. 00:04:31.783 --> 00:04:33.783

corrections to the uh minutes. I have a motion. I make a

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I have a motion. I make a motion to approve the minutes

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motion to approve the minutes as presented. OK Motion made

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as presented. OK Motion made and 2nd. All in favor, say I. 00:04:42.860 --> 00:04:51.934

and 2nd. All in favor, say I. Any opposed? Motion passes. I 00:04:51.936 --> 00:04:54.136

Any opposed? Motion passes. I also like to recognize

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also like to recognize Commissioner Corroso joined us.

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Commissioner Corroso joined us. For records. Thank you All 00:05:04.348 --> 00:05:06.682

For records. Thank you All right, we'll move on to item

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right, we'll move on to item number 5, our public hearing.

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number 5, our public hearing. We'll start with item 5.1. OK. 00:05:34.512 --> 00:05:35.577

We'll start with item 5.1. OK. Good evening, Chair Frazier,

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Good evening, Chair Frazier, members of the planning

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members of the planning commission for the record, Kara

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commission for the record, Kara Donovan, senior planner with

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Donovan, senior planner with the planning division. 00:05:40.651 --> 00:05:42.518

the planning division. Presenting a variance request

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Presenting a variance request as case number 25102 for True

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as case number 25102 for True Blue. The applicant proposes 3

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Blue. The applicant proposes 3 12-foot freestanding signs. The 00:05:50.627 --> 00:05:52.094

12-foot freestanding signs. The site is located on Edinburgh

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site is located on Edinburgh Center Drive north of

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Center Drive north of Eighty-fifth and just west of

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Eighty-fifth and just west of Highway 252? The subject

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Highway 252? The subject property is 1.86 acres and 00:06:00.404 --> 00:06:05.240

property is 1.86 acres and abuts commercial properties.

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abuts commercial properties. The parcel is zoned general

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The parcel is zoned general business district or B3, all

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business district or B3, all surrounding properties are also

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surrounding properties are also zoned B3. In February 2024, a 00:06:14.385 --> 00:06:15.417

zoned B3. In February 2024, a site plan was approved for a

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site plan was approved for a car wash on this site. The

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car wash on this site. The applicant is requesting

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applicant is requesting approval for a variance request

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approval for a variance request for 3 12-foot freestanding 00:06:20.658 --> 00:06:21.857

for 3 12-foot freestanding signs in the northeast corner

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signs in the northeast corner of the property as circled on

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of the property as circled on the screen. The proposed

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the screen. The proposed freestanding signs would direct

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freestanding signs would direct drivers to one of 3 lanes, all

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drivers to one of 3 lanes, all of which would serve as 00:06:31.302 --> 00:06:32.734

of which would serve as clearance bars to ensure

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clearance bars to ensure oversized vehicles do not enter

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oversized vehicles do not enter the car wash. The request would

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the car wash. The request would require a deviation from two

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require a deviation from two city codes. One deviation is

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city codes. One deviation is from chapter 150, section 28, 00:06:42.246 --> 00:06:43.813

from chapter 150, section 28, which allows one freestanding

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which allows one freestanding or monument sign on the site

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or monument sign on the site and a second deviation is

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and a second deviation is required from chapter 150,

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required from chapter 150, section 4, which restricts 00:06:51.188 --> 00:06:51.854

section 4, which restricts freestanding signs to 6 ft

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freestanding signs to 6 ft above grade. This is a general

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above grade. This is a general rendering uh of the structure

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rendering uh of the structure provided by the applicants? And 00:07:01.232 --> 00:07:02.565

provided by the applicants? And variances may be granted when

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variances may be granted when the variance request meets all

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the variance request meets all three factors of the

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three factors of the three-factor testing on the

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three-factor testing on the screen, um, as related to

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screen, um, as related to practical difficulties. So the 00:07:11.375 --> 00:07:12.741

practical difficulties. So the first test is reasonableness or

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first test is reasonableness or is the use practical. Staff

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is the use practical. Staff believed that the freestanding

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believed that the freestanding sign is reasonable to support

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sign is reasonable to support the business? The second factor

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the business? The second factor is uniqueness. Are there unique 00:07:21.652 --> 00:07:22.717

is uniqueness. Are there unique physical characteristics

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physical characteristics impacting the property staff

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impacting the property staff believe the drive-through car

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believe the drive-through car wash makes the request for

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wash makes the request for signs directing drivers

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signs directing drivers reasonable? And the 3 requests

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reasonable? And the 3 requests is. this. And the third test is 00:07:34.398 --> 00:07:35.397

is. this. And the third test is a central characteristics of

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a central characteristics of the neighborhood and whether or

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the neighborhood and whether or not this would uh be

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not this would uh be inconsistent with the

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inconsistent with the development around the the site, 00:07:41.606 --> 00:07:42.738

development around the the site, um, staff believe this request

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um, staff believe this request is not going to alter the

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is not going to alter the essential characteristic of the

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essential characteristic of the neighborhood and the signs do

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neighborhood and the signs do not exceed the height of the

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not exceed the height of the approved building on site. Uh, 00:07:54.484 --> 00:07:55.417

approved building on site. Uh, staff recommends approval of

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staff recommends approval of the variance request with

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the variance request with conditions as listed in the

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conditions as listed in the draft resolution, and this 00:08:00.424 --> 00:08:02.024

draft resolution, and this concludes staff's presentation.

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concludes staff's presentation. Thank you. Is the applicant

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Thank you. Is the applicant here tonight to speak to the

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here tonight to speak to the application. The applicant is

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application. The applicant is online and available for

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online and available for questions. Would you like to, 00:08:15.940 --> 00:08:18.007

questions. Would you like to, do you have any comments? At

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do you have any comments? At this time? You none will open 00:08:26.484 --> 00:08:30.952

this time? You none will open up the public. For any comments 00:08:30.954 --> 00:08:32.154

up the public. For any comments from the public. Anyone wants

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from the public. Anyone wants to, um, speak to this, um,

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to, um, speak to this, um, application. Any comments from

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application. Any comments from the public? Here none will 00:08:41.465 --> 00:08:42.898

the public? Here none will close the public forum and

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close the public forum and bring it back to the commission.

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bring it back to the commission. Mhm Any questions? Yes, I have 00:08:58.849 --> 00:09:00.749

Mhm Any questions? Yes, I have a question if you, if you go 00:09:00.751 --> 00:09:01.917

a question if you, if you go back to the slide prior to this.

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back to the slide prior to this. Uh Yeah, in terms of, uh, Uh 00:09:11.829 --> 00:09:12.527

Uh Yeah, in terms of, uh, Uh Reasonableness is this unique

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Reasonableness is this unique part. Uh, are there, are there

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part. Uh, are there, are there any standing right now over

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any standing right now over there? or this is the 3rd

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there? or this is the 3rd standing they were heard. This 00:09:22.106 --> 00:09:23.739

standing they were heard. This is the 3 standing or 3rd sign

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is the 3 standing or 3rd sign standing or? Um, thank you,

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standing or? Um, thank you, Chair of Asian members of the

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Chair of Asian members of the planning commission. There's

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planning commission. There's currently development happening

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currently development happening on site to for the pre-approved, 00:09:32.015 --> 00:09:33.248

on site to for the pre-approved, uh, site plan, but there's

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uh, site plan, but there's nothing on site at this time.

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nothing on site at this time. OK. OK, that's good. Thanks. 00:09:42.459 --> 00:09:48.196

OK. OK, that's good. Thanks. Right, Commissioner by. OK.

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Right, Commissioner by. OK. Yeah, thank you for that

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Yeah, thank you for that presentation, uh. So the area 00:09:54.105 --> 00:09:57.105

presentation, uh. So the area now is that. within a

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now is that. within a residential area or in a

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residential area or in a business area. Thank you, Cha 00:10:02.513 --> 00:10:04.546

business area. Thank you, Cha Char Frazier and commissioner,

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Char Frazier and commissioner, um, the surrounding properties

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um, the surrounding properties are all business district, so

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are all business district, so all commercial surrounding the

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all commercial surrounding the property. OK. And right now 00:10:12.489 --> 00:10:13.388

property. OK. And right now there is nothing within that

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there is nothing within that space. It's currently under

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space. It's currently under construction. OK. Mhm OK, thank 00:10:20.430 --> 00:10:24.666

construction. OK. Mhm OK, thank you for now, yeah. I have a

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you for now, yeah. I have a question. I think this goes to

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question. I think this goes to the um staff um. I'm curious as 00:10:30.474 --> 00:10:33.942

the um staff um. I'm curious as to this variant if it's common

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to this variant if it's common for, uh, To exceed that 6 ft,

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for, uh, To exceed that 6 ft, um. Limit for these types of 00:10:42.019 --> 00:10:44.953

um. Limit for these types of signs where, um, You know, it's,

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signs where, um, You know, it's, it's a clearance sign,

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it's a clearance sign, basically, and I'm, I'm so I'm

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basically, and I'm, I'm so I'm curious is if it's If this is a 00:10:51.695 --> 00:10:55.130

curious is if it's If this is a unique situation or if other um

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unique situation or if other um businesses like this would fall

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businesses like this would fall within that same sort of um um 00:11:02.072 --> 00:11:03.772

within that same sort of um um challenge and if so, is that

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challenge and if so, is that something that you're thinking

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something that you're thinking about just looking at your,

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about just looking at your, your zoning, um, in regards to

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your zoning, um, in regards to this. Thank you, uh, Chair 00:11:13.784 --> 00:11:15.383

this. Thank you, uh, Chair Frazier, I believe that we will

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Frazier, I believe that we will need to revisit the sign code

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need to revisit the sign code to allow for clearance bars as

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to allow for clearance bars as we continue to see more

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we continue to see more applicants of this type. Thank 00:11:20.924 --> 00:11:27.629

applicants of this type. Thank you. Any other questions,

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you. Any other questions, comments from the commission. 00:11:31.602 --> 00:11:35.871

comments from the commission. Sorry about that. Uh How is it

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Sorry about that. Uh How is it I access in and out of this

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I access in and out of this place. compared with the

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place. compared with the existing. Businesses How, how, 00:11:46.349 --> 00:11:50.251

existing. Businesses How, how, how is a view is, is, will it 00:11:50.253 --> 00:11:52.086

how is a view is, is, will it be reasonable with that it's

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be reasonable with that it's traffic, I'm talking about

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traffic, I'm talking about traffic in and out of because

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traffic in and out of because it's a if it is a car wash. OK,

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it's a if it is a car wash. OK, so, how has it been revealed? 00:12:01.699 --> 00:12:02.964

so, how has it been revealed? Thank you to Fraser and

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Thank you to Fraser and commissioner, um, the site plan

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commissioner, um, the site plan was approved in February 2024

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was approved in February 2024 where the staff did review for

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where the staff did review for traffic, so at this time we're

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traffic, so at this time we're only reviewing the sign 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:17.913

only reviewing the sign variants. Any other questions

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variants. Any other questions or comments? Right. If there 00:12:29.526 --> 00:12:31.293

or comments? Right. If there are no further discussion, I'll, 00:12:31.295 --> 00:12:35.664

are no further discussion, I'll, uh, accept the motion. Go ahead.

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uh, accept the motion. Go ahead. Mo Motion Motion to recommend 00:12:49.313 --> 00:12:51.179

Mo Motion Motion to recommend adoption of findings of the 00:12:51.181 --> 00:12:54.550

adoption of findings of the fact for the approval of

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fact for the approval of variance requests for free

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variance requests for free standing sign subject to

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standing sign subject to conditions in the draft

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conditions in the draft resolution. of a second. OK, 00:13:04.261 --> 00:13:08.529

resolution. of a second. OK, motion made and 2. All in favor,

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motion made and 2. All in favor, say I. And he oppose? Emotion 00:13:15.105 --> 00:13:18.507

say I. And he oppose? Emotion passes. When will this go to

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passes. When will this go to council? This will go to 00:13:20.911 --> 00:13:22.911

council? This will go to council on February 24th. All

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council on February 24th. All right. Thank you. You. All 00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:34.722

right. Thank you. You. All right, we'll move on to item

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right, we'll move on to item 5.2. Good evening, uh, Chair 00:13:42.565 --> 00:13:43.365

5.2. Good evening, uh, Chair Frasier, members of the

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Frasier, members of the planning commission for the

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planning commission for the record, uh, Matt Hayes Frein,

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record, uh, Matt Hayes Frein, associate planner. Uh,

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associate planner. Uh, presenting JC writers, a 00:13:51.208 --> 00:13:53.975

presenting JC writers, a conditional use permit at 8432

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conditional use permit at 8432 Xerxes Avenue North. Um, JC's

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Xerxes Avenue North. Um, JC's right, JC rider's motorcycle 00:14:00.884 --> 00:14:02.450

right, JC rider's motorcycle Club is a nonprofit

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Club is a nonprofit organization, applying for a

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organization, applying for a conditional use permit to

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conditional use permit to operate as a social club and a

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operate as a social club and a banquet hall for private events

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banquet hall for private events at 8432 Xerxes Avenue. This map, 00:14:12.763 --> 00:14:14.162

at 8432 Xerxes Avenue. This map, uh, provides a general overview

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uh, provides a general overview of where JC Riders intends to

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of where JC Riders intends to operate. This application is to

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operate. This application is to bring the subject property into 00:14:20.437 --> 00:14:22.137

bring the subject property into compliance, as there has never

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compliance, as there has never been a conditional use permit

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been a conditional use permit issued to this site for the

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issued to this site for the operation of either a social

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operation of either a social club or a banquet hall. 843 2 00:14:33.417 --> 00:14:35.083

club or a banquet hall. 843 2 Xerxes Avenue North is one

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Xerxes Avenue North is one parcel located in the Xerxes

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parcel located in the Xerxes Phoenix edition? The Xerxes

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Phoenix edition? The Xerxes Phoenix edition was developed 00:14:40.824 --> 00:14:42.457

Phoenix edition was developed in 2006 as a multi-tenant

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in 2006 as a multi-tenant retail building. Property is

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retail building. Property is 2.12 acres, and it is located

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2.12 acres, and it is located southeast of Eighty-fifth

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southeast of Eighty-fifth Avenue and Xerxes Avenue. It is 00:14:52.269 --> 00:14:57.072

Avenue and Xerxes Avenue. It is in the Norwood neighborhood.

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in the Norwood neighborhood. Its location is in the city's,

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Its location is in the city's, uh, general business B2 00:15:00.377 --> 00:15:02.344

uh, general business B2 District. The zoning code

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District. The zoning code defines the B2 district as a

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defines the B2 district as a district which encourages

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district which encourages compact centers for retail

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compact centers for retail sales and services that serve 00:15:10.187 --> 00:15:11.353

sales and services that serve the adjacent neighborhoods and

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the adjacent neighborhoods and to preserve and protect the

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to preserve and protect the general character of the

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general character of the adjacent areas. Social clubs

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adjacent areas. Social clubs and banquet halls are allowed

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and banquet halls are allowed as a conditional use. In the B2

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as a conditional use. In the B2 districts. As you can see from 00:15:22.099 --> 00:15:24.532

districts. As you can see from the map, um, adjacent zoning

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the map, um, adjacent zoning districts to 8432 Xerxes Avenue,

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districts to 8432 Xerxes Avenue, North include detached single

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North include detached single family and two-family are 3 00:15:30.307 --> 00:15:33.808

family and two-family are 3 districts. Uh, to the north and

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districts. Uh, to the north and south and office park B1

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south and office park B1 districts to the east and west.

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districts to the east and west. You can also see um other 00:15:40.150 --> 00:15:41.483

You can also see um other zoning types, um, outside of

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zoning types, um, outside of this, uh, zoning area as well.

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this, uh, zoning area as well. So staff does um make the

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So staff does um make the recommendation that you did see,

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recommendation that you did see, uh, in your packets, there was, 00:15:52.763 --> 00:15:55.130

uh, in your packets, there was, um, additional information that

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um, additional information that did come in after, um, your

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did come in after, um, your packets to go out, so we did

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packets to go out, so we did just want to um clarify that we 00:16:02.373 --> 00:16:04.072

just want to um clarify that we are seeking an additional

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are seeking an additional condition as part of this

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condition as part of this approval. Um, so the

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approval. Um, so the recommendation is for a 00:16:10.614 --> 00:16:12.580

recommendation is for a resolution recommending a

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resolution recommending a resolution approving a

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resolution approving a conditional use permit for the

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conditional use permit for the operation of a social club and

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operation of a social club and a banquet ha. for private

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a banquet ha. for private events at 8432 Xerxes Avenue 00:16:21.392 --> 00:16:23.258

events at 8432 Xerxes Avenue North, and that is subject to

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North, and that is subject to the conditions um that you saw

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the conditions um that you saw in the draft resolution. That

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in the draft resolution. That also includes uh staff's

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also includes uh staff's recommendation is to include 00:16:30.166 --> 00:16:32.167

recommendation is to include the condition of a certificate

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the condition of a certificate of occupancy must be obtained

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of occupancy must be obtained when the city's building

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when the city's building department prior to operation.

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department prior to operation. Um, and that is consistent with

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Um, and that is consistent with other conditional use, uh, 00:16:40.744 --> 00:16:43.912

other conditional use, uh, permits that we have had. So

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permits that we have had. So with that, um, we do have um.

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with that, um, we do have um. Uh, members or, uh, the

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Uh, members or, uh, the applicants here as well who can 00:16:50.921 --> 00:16:52.353

applicants here as well who can speak to this matter as well,

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speak to this matter as well, so happy to stand for any

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so happy to stand for any questions and this concludes

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questions and this concludes that presentation. Um, does the

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that presentation. Um, does the applicant want to make any 00:17:00.597 --> 00:17:10.104

applicant want to make any comments at this time? OK. All 00:17:10.106 --> 00:17:12.941

comments at this time? OK. All right, so we'll open it up for

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right, so we'll open it up for uh the public now so anyone

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uh the public now so anyone from the public who wants to

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from the public who wants to speak to this application, can

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speak to this application, can go to the podium at this time. 00:17:21.685 --> 00:17:25.053

go to the podium at this time. All right, here are none we'll

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All right, here are none we'll close the public forum and

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close the public forum and bring it back to the

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bring it back to the commissioners. Any questions or 00:17:31.227 --> 00:17:41.936

commissioners. Any questions or comments? Have one. Um Uh, 00:17:41.938 --> 00:17:44.438

comments? Have one. Um Uh, thank, thank you very much, um,

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thank, thank you very much, um, any business coming to the

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any business coming to the Brooklyn Park area. It always

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Brooklyn Park area. It always welcome, but I have a A 00:17:51.114 --> 00:17:53.514

welcome, but I have a A question or two, number one,

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question or two, number one, the nature of the business says

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the nature of the business says it's gonna be uh social club.

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it's gonna be uh social club. Can you, uh, Uh, kind of, uh, 00:18:02.426 --> 00:18:03.725

Can you, uh, Uh, kind of, uh, explain more of what that.

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explain more of what that. means, you know, in context to

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means, you know, in context to this business. Is it a dancing

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this business. Is it a dancing social club, uh, Uh, uh. What 00:18:14.504 --> 00:18:17.405

social club, uh, Uh, uh. What do you mean by, by, by that, so

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do you mean by, by, by that, so Chair Frasier, um, members of

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Chair Frasier, um, members of the planning commission. um, so 00:18:21.211 --> 00:18:22.377

the planning commission. um, so this is a nonprofit

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this is a nonprofit organization, um, and there was

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organization, um, and there was an overview included in the

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an overview included in the packet, um. I do, I don't know

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packet, um. I do, I don't know Dean, if you want to speak to

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Dean, if you want to speak to the nature of um the type of um. 00:18:30.187 --> 00:18:34.422

the nature of um the type of um. Uh, events that you're looking

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Uh, events that you're looking to host ultimately, but I, I

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to host ultimately, but I, I know it primarily functions as

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know it primarily functions as a motorcycle, um, club, and um. 00:18:41.832 --> 00:18:44.265

a motorcycle, um, club, and um. It, it would have its patrons

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It, it would have its patrons that I understand are primarily

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that I understand are primarily uh military veterans, um, as a

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uh military veterans, um, as a gathering spot for their

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gathering spot for their organization, and it would be a 00:18:51.074 --> 00:18:55.343

organization, and it would be a private organization. OK, um, I

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private organization. OK, um, I get that, so this will not

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get that, so this will not necessarily be open to uh to to

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necessarily be open to uh to to the public. It's gonna be, uh, 00:19:00.550 --> 00:19:04.418

the public. It's gonna be, uh, you know, like a private club

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you know, like a private club with a distinct membership. Uh,

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with a distinct membership. Uh, Frazier, uh, members of the

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Frazier, uh, members of the planning commission, that, that

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planning commission, that, that is my understanding. is that 00:19:11.294 --> 00:19:13.261

is my understanding. is that this would be um available to

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this would be um available to private club members. OK, yeah.

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private club members. OK, yeah. Mr. Chair, or Chair Fraser

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Mr. Chair, or Chair Fraser rather, um, and Commissioner 00:19:20.604 --> 00:19:22.337

rather, um, and Commissioner Odama, if I could add to that,

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Odama, if I could add to that, um, you know, the, the

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um, you know, the, the conditional use permit is, is

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conditional use permit is, is for, it's for two different

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for, it's for two different uses, so there's the social

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uses, so there's the social club that you're asking about, 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:31.046

club that you're asking about, um, and, and that, that's the

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um, and, and that, that's the aspect that is the, the private

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aspect that is the, the private part. The second condition you

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part. The second condition you conditionally use permit

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conditionally use permit requests. It's for a banquet

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requests. It's for a banquet hall, and that gives them, that 00:19:40.891 --> 00:19:43.858

hall, and that gives them, that gives the applicant. The right

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gives the applicant. The right to to have events there that,

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to to have events there that, that could be, um, this isn't.

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that could be, um, this isn't. This isn't to say that this is

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This isn't to say that this is how they would operate, but 00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:52.667

how they would operate, but they would have the option to,

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they would have the option to, you know, rent the space out

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you know, rent the space out for events by third parties, uh,

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for events by third parties, uh, with that, um. With a banquet

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with that, um. With a banquet hall. OK, uh, thank you. Just 00:20:04.047 --> 00:20:06.381

hall. OK, uh, thank you. Just another follow up when you rent

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another follow up when you rent the event, I noticed something

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the event, I noticed something here that uh do they have a 00:20:12.589 --> 00:20:14.489

here that uh do they have a liquor license or they have the

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liquor license or they have the ability in the future to uh to

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ability in the future to uh to apply for that. Uh, Chair

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apply for that. Uh, Chair Frazier, members of the

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Frazier, members of the planning commission, uh, 00:20:20.831 --> 00:20:22.130

planning commission, uh, there's not currently a liquor

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there's not currently a liquor license assigned to this

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license assigned to this property. So that would be a

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property. So that would be a separate application. I mean

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separate application. I mean that is not being considered

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that is not being considered tonight. OK, thank you. I just

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tonight. OK, thank you. I just saw that in passing. Thank you. 00:20:35.812 --> 00:20:42.483

saw that in passing. Thank you. Any other questions, comments? 00:20:42.485 --> 00:20:48.623

Any other questions, comments? Have one. Uh Just to follow up

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Have one. Uh Just to follow up with the commissioner's

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with the commissioner's question, if you, if somebody 00:20:50.560 --> 00:20:55.330

question, if you, if somebody speak to The nonprofits. Self,

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speak to The nonprofits. Self, you know, with the nonprofits,

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you know, with the nonprofits, uh, kind of. I, I heard, you

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uh, kind of. I, I heard, you know, it was this is a private 00:21:02.572 --> 00:21:04.506

know, it was this is a private social club or nonprofits.

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social club or nonprofits. There are various definition of

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There are various definition of nonprofits. And can somebody

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nonprofits. And can somebody speak to that? What, what kind 00:21:10.380 --> 00:21:13.581

speak to that? What, what kind of nonprofits? Uh, you know, if

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of nonprofits? Uh, you know, if the owners are, or people who

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the owners are, or people who run it or not owners but people

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run it or not owners but people who run the nonprofits are here.

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who run the nonprofits are here. Then, uh, if, if, if that could 00:21:21.992 --> 00:21:23.791

Then, uh, if, if, if that could be addressed a little bit, it's

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be addressed a little bit, it's not clear to me, uh, and the

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not clear to me, uh, and the second is maybe to the staff,

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second is maybe to the staff, uh. In there, is there any 00:21:31.935 --> 00:21:35.469

uh. In there, is there any study, any feedback from the

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study, any feedback from the adjacent businesses and. Uh, on

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adjacent businesses and. Uh, on the east there are residential 00:21:40.477 --> 00:21:42.243

the east there are residential properties and is there any, uh,

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properties and is there any, uh, you know, uh, feedback that's

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you know, uh, feedback that's obtained, uh, I see the time of

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obtained, uh, I see the time of operations are, uh, from, uh, 7 00:21:52.421 --> 00:21:57.492

operations are, uh, from, uh, 7 a.m. on, on, uh, to 11 a.m.

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a.m. on, on, uh, to 11 a.m. except on Sunday through

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except on Sunday through Thursday it's from 7 a.m. to 2 00:22:00.163 --> 00:22:04.365

Thursday it's from 7 a.m. to 2 a.m. So, are there any, uh,

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a.m. So, are there any, uh, impacts. Feedback that's, you

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impacts. Feedback that's, you know, that's uh sold from the 00:22:12.976 --> 00:22:14.509

know, that's uh sold from the adjacent properties or

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adjacent properties or businesses and residents, uh,

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businesses and residents, uh, Chair Frazier, members of the

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Chair Frazier, members of the planning commission. I, I'll

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planning commission. I, I'll let the applicants speak to the

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let the applicants speak to the first point, uh, but to your 00:22:21.451 --> 00:22:23.785

first point, uh, but to your second point, I can say that um

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second point, I can say that um we did send out public hearing

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we did send out public hearing notices, um, to everyone within

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notices, um, to everyone within 500 ft. We did get one call um 00:22:31.060 --> 00:22:33.594

500 ft. We did get one call um from an HOA president, um, and

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from an HOA president, um, and we did send them a copy of this

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we did send them a copy of this agenda item for review, um.

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agenda item for review, um. they didn't submit to any

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they didn't submit to any public comment after reviewing 00:22:40.537 --> 00:22:44.939

public comment after reviewing the item. Um, so, in addition

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the item. Um, so, in addition to residents receiving that

00:22:45.875 --> 00:22:47.408

to residents receiving that notice, um, business owners

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notice, um, business owners would have also received that

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would have also received that as well, and we did not receive 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:51.879

as well, and we did not receive any public comments, um, as to

00:22:51.881 --> 00:22:53.948

any public comments, um, as to that, um. I'll let the

00:22:53.950 --> 00:22:54.849

that, um. I'll let the applicant speak to, I guess,

00:22:54.851 --> 00:22:59.187

applicant speak to, I guess, the nature of the nonprofit. Um,

00:22:59.189 --> 00:23:00.655

the nature of the nonprofit. Um, so could you go up to the 00:23:00.657 --> 00:23:11.966

so could you go up to the podium, please, sir? Hello. 00:23:11.968 --> 00:23:15.770

podium, please, sir? Hello. Yeah So basically nonprofit

00:23:15.772 --> 00:23:16.638

Yeah So basically nonprofit organization, we serve the

00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:17.772

organization, we serve the community, it's a bunch of vets,

00:23:17.774 --> 00:23:20.508

community, it's a bunch of vets, a lot of us take, uh, pride and 00:23:20.510 --> 00:23:25.880

a lot of us take, uh, pride and serve the community. To uh.

00:23:25.882 --> 00:23:28.850

serve the community. To uh. Organizations as far as throw

00:23:28.852 --> 00:23:30.785

Organizations as far as throw in clothes we perform Christmas 00:23:30.787 --> 00:23:32.353

in clothes we perform Christmas or uh for Christmas events for

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or uh for Christmas events for certain organizations. We Do

00:23:35.424 --> 00:23:39.727

certain organizations. We Do charity rides. Um, this first

00:23:39.729 --> 00:23:41.129

charity rides. Um, this first but veterans, like I said, 00:23:41.131 --> 00:23:43.364

but veterans, like I said, veterans, um, tasty ride for

00:23:43.366 --> 00:23:44.665

veterans, um, tasty ride for Jesus Christ riders. It's more

00:23:44.667 --> 00:23:46.301

Jesus Christ riders. It's more to, you know, spiritual place,

00:23:46.303 --> 00:23:47.702

to, you know, spiritual place, a lot of our guys, we just have

00:23:47.704 --> 00:23:50.438

a lot of our guys, we just have a place we can go, um, we do 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:51.940

a place we can go, um, we do like to lease our place out

00:23:51.942 --> 00:23:54.942

like to lease our place out third party for. Guest star

00:23:54.944 --> 00:23:56.510

third party for. Guest star like some guys like wanna throw

00:23:56.512 --> 00:23:57.845

like some guys like wanna throw a birthday party. Some guests

00:23:57.847 --> 00:23:58.512

a birthday party. Some guests wanna have a place just at

00:23:58.514 --> 00:24:00.848

wanna have a place just at least a place they can just go. 00:24:00.850 --> 00:24:03.484

least a place they can just go. It's really nice, uh, event

00:24:03.486 --> 00:24:04.118

It's really nice, uh, event place and so a lot of people

00:24:04.120 --> 00:24:04.786

place and so a lot of people that come and see it, they were

00:24:04.788 --> 00:24:05.586

that come and see it, they were like, well, I would like to

00:24:05.588 --> 00:24:06.587

like, well, I would like to have a birthday party here, if

00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:08.256

have a birthday party here, if they was there. So that's

00:24:08.258 --> 00:24:09.390

they was there. So that's mainly what we're using it for

00:24:09.392 --> 00:24:10.324

mainly what we're using it for at the time. It's a place of 00:24:10.326 --> 00:24:16.197

at the time. It's a place of gathering. I, I see in the, in

00:24:16.199 --> 00:24:18.165

gathering. I, I see in the, in the letter currently having 32

00:24:18.167 --> 00:24:22.937

the letter currently having 32 members. Is this member Member 00:24:22.939 --> 00:24:24.639

members. Is this member Member serving nonprofits or is it

00:24:24.641 --> 00:24:27.174

serving nonprofits or is it open to the public too. It's

00:24:27.176 --> 00:24:28.209

open to the public too. It's open to the public, but as of

00:24:28.211 --> 00:24:29.310

open to the public, but as of right now it's just all the

00:24:29.312 --> 00:24:30.378

right now it's just all the members there that are there. 00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:32.213

members there that are there. We're our members. But

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We're our members. But eventually, like what we do up

00:24:34.017 --> 00:24:34.949

eventually, like what we do up to the pos is this is for third

00:24:34.951 --> 00:24:40.487

to the pos is this is for third party events. Could you speak 00:24:40.489 --> 00:24:43.090

party events. Could you speak to, you know, how the ban,

00:24:43.092 --> 00:24:45.059

to, you know, how the ban, banquet hall will be used, is

00:24:45.061 --> 00:24:48.329

banquet hall will be used, is that also for members onlys and

00:24:48.331 --> 00:24:50.031

that also for members onlys and also for third parties, so in 00:24:50.033 --> 00:24:51.332

also for third parties, so in the event somebody when I host

00:24:51.334 --> 00:24:53.601

the event somebody when I host a birthday party. They would

00:24:53.603 --> 00:24:54.268

a birthday party. They would contact us we leased out to

00:24:54.270 --> 00:25:01.342

contact us we leased out to them. OK. Thank you. Sir, could 00:25:01.344 --> 00:25:02.910

them. OK. Thank you. Sir, could you state your name for the

00:25:02.912 --> 00:25:10.451

you state your name for the record, please. OK. All right. 00:25:10.453 --> 00:25:16.290

record, please. OK. All right. Any other questions, thank you.

00:25:16.292 --> 00:25:16.991

Any other questions, thank you. Commissioner gave by OK, go

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Commissioner gave by OK, go ahead. OK, thank you, thank you. 00:25:20.229 --> 00:25:22.329

ahead. OK, thank you, thank you. uh, so I would like to follow

00:25:22.331 --> 00:25:28.102

uh, so I would like to follow up on the like uh. In uh, in

00:25:28.104 --> 00:25:30.271

up on the like uh. In uh, in the letter attached to um this 00:25:30.273 --> 00:25:34.842

the letter attached to um this agenda. You guys listed uh the

00:25:34.844 --> 00:25:37.511

agenda. You guys listed uh the key activities if you would.

00:25:37.513 --> 00:25:39.981

key activities if you would. touch a little bit about, you

00:25:39.983 --> 00:25:41.316

touch a little bit about, you know, the on Friday and 00:25:41.318 --> 00:25:44.752

know, the on Friday and Saturday, there is a private

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Saturday, there is a private and only private invite only

00:25:47.424 --> 00:25:49.690

and only private invite only gathering for fellowship. So

00:25:49.692 --> 00:25:53.628

gathering for fellowship. So there are any Uh, like, uh, 00:25:53.630 --> 00:25:54.628

there are any Uh, like, uh, fellowship or what type of

00:25:54.630 --> 00:25:56.630

fellowship or what type of fellowship is it? Would you, uh,

00:25:56.632 --> 00:26:03.170

fellowship is it? Would you, uh, detail that part. It'd be just 00:26:03.172 --> 00:26:04.238

detail that part. It'd be just mainly our members unless it's

00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:05.639

mainly our members unless it's an event being rented out, it'd

00:26:05.641 --> 00:26:07.975

an event being rented out, it'd be just the members there. It's

00:26:07.977 --> 00:26:09.143

be just the members there. It's going over weekly events, um,

00:26:09.145 --> 00:26:10.378

going over weekly events, um, just trying to make the 00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:12.880

just trying to make the organization better planning.

00:26:12.882 --> 00:26:15.583

organization better planning. Um This this is a place to

00:26:15.585 --> 00:26:16.517

Um This this is a place to gather and like when I say we

00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:17.985

gather and like when I say we fellowship, we all come

00:26:17.987 --> 00:26:19.454

fellowship, we all come together, we speak on what can

00:26:19.456 --> 00:26:20.354

together, we speak on what can we do to better ourselves, 00:26:20.356 --> 00:26:24.925

we do to better ourselves, better our community. But As

00:26:24.927 --> 00:26:26.394

better our community. But As far as gambling is concerned,

00:26:26.396 --> 00:26:27.662

far as gambling is concerned, anything else? Any questions

00:26:27.664 --> 00:26:31.132

anything else? Any questions you like? Yeah, I mean, when it 00:26:31.134 --> 00:26:33.101

you like? Yeah, I mean, when it says like a fellowship, is it

00:26:33.103 --> 00:26:36.771

says like a fellowship, is it the type of uh like any.

00:26:36.773 --> 00:26:38.673

the type of uh like any. religious activity or is it any

00:26:38.675 --> 00:26:40.942

religious activity or is it any training activity or what type 00:26:40.944 --> 00:26:44.311

training activity or what type of, I mean it, it varies, it's.

00:26:44.313 --> 00:26:46.981

of, I mean it, it varies, it's. Mainly different bro it's.

00:26:46.983 --> 00:26:49.017

Mainly different bro it's. Different backgrounds, I mean,

00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.418

Different backgrounds, I mean, we all it's all spiritual. Some, 00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:53.621

we all it's all spiritual. Some, you know, different dominations.

00:26:53.623 --> 00:26:56.223

you know, different dominations. When they come together, they

00:26:56.225 --> 00:26:58.092

When they come together, they preach the word. We don't

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preach the word. We don't preach the Bible, preach good. 00:27:00.897 --> 00:27:01.629

preach the Bible, preach good. It's been a better the next

00:27:01.631 --> 00:27:06.167

It's been a better the next brother. So it's like positive

00:27:06.169 --> 00:27:10.104

brother. So it's like positive reinforcement to sir. That 00:27:10.106 --> 00:27:13.841

reinforcement to sir. That sounds good. OK. Commissioner

00:27:13.843 --> 00:27:19.980

sounds good. OK. Commissioner Gabby. OK. Thank you, thank you,

00:27:19.982 --> 00:27:21.449

Gabby. OK. Thank you, thank you, uh, any time we see this thing 00:27:21.451 --> 00:27:23.851

uh, any time we see this thing here it's a good thing, you

00:27:23.853 --> 00:27:25.920

here it's a good thing, you know, people come to bring.

00:27:25.922 --> 00:27:29.323

know, people come to bring. Some sort of a a business. In

00:27:29.325 --> 00:27:31.225

Some sort of a a business. In the community. Is it, do you 00:27:31.227 --> 00:27:33.795

the community. Is it, do you have, is this your first time?

00:27:33.797 --> 00:27:34.896

have, is this your first time? Did this organization or this

00:27:34.898 --> 00:27:37.131

Did this organization or this business, do you have? Are you

00:27:37.133 --> 00:27:38.332

business, do you have? Are you look at in other city other

00:27:38.334 --> 00:27:42.970

look at in other city other than in Brooklyn. Eventually, 00:27:42.972 --> 00:27:44.104

than in Brooklyn. Eventually, well right now I said we're

00:27:44.106 --> 00:27:46.107

well right now I said we're growing. And it's gonna be to

00:27:46.109 --> 00:27:47.041

growing. And it's gonna be to the point where we're going to

00:27:47.043 --> 00:27:50.678

the point where we're going to really expand. But as of right 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.613

really expand. But as of right now it's just it's just here

00:27:52.615 --> 00:27:54.014

now it's just it's just here right now, no, I just, I mean,

00:27:54.016 --> 00:27:55.049

right now, no, I just, I mean, I'm not trying to, I just

00:27:55.051 --> 00:27:58.219

I'm not trying to, I just thought it was, you know. Like,

00:27:58.221 --> 00:28:00.621

thought it was, you know. Like, you know, it's growing so if 00:28:00.623 --> 00:28:01.622

you know, it's growing so if this is the first this is the

00:28:01.624 --> 00:28:03.024

this is the first this is the first, if this is the first

00:28:03.026 --> 00:28:04.425

first, if this is the first time that you're trying to put

00:28:04.427 --> 00:28:06.060

time that you're trying to put something together like that. I

00:28:06.062 --> 00:28:06.994

something together like that. I mean, there's nothing wrong

00:28:06.996 --> 00:28:08.362

mean, there's nothing wrong with that. You got to start

00:28:08.364 --> 00:28:10.331

with that. You got to start from somewhere. So I'm not 00:28:10.333 --> 00:28:11.432

from somewhere. So I'm not trying to right now. I'm not

00:28:11.434 --> 00:28:13.200

trying to right now. I'm not trying to put it down in, in

00:28:13.202 --> 00:28:14.802

trying to put it down in, in that way, but the reason I was

00:28:14.804 --> 00:28:16.571

that way, but the reason I was asking is the fact that that so

00:28:16.573 --> 00:28:18.606

asking is the fact that that so that we can have a picture or

00:28:18.608 --> 00:28:20.040

that we can have a picture or something to look at, you know, 00:28:20.042 --> 00:28:21.609

something to look at, you know, we say, OK, we can compare it

00:28:21.611 --> 00:28:24.545

we say, OK, we can compare it to this or to that, but if, if

00:28:24.547 --> 00:28:26.080

to this or to that, but if, if this is something more

00:28:26.082 --> 00:28:26.948

this is something more compatible, I'll say more like

00:28:26.950 --> 00:28:32.887

compatible, I'll say more like a. Like a VFW or X lounge. So 00:28:32.889 --> 00:28:35.689

a. Like a VFW or X lounge. So I'll get away. OK, so in, in

00:28:35.691 --> 00:28:37.224

I'll get away. OK, so in, in this way are they like

00:28:37.226 --> 00:28:38.025

this way are they like registration people have to

00:28:38.027 --> 00:28:40.661

registration people have to keep, have to register to be a 00:28:40.663 --> 00:28:42.897

keep, have to register to be a member or how, how is it done?

00:28:42.899 --> 00:28:44.565

member or how, how is it done? We still get to that point, we

00:28:44.567 --> 00:28:45.966

We still get to that point, we do have, as the bro the

00:28:45.968 --> 00:28:48.335

do have, as the bro the brothers now that we have.

00:28:48.337 --> 00:28:50.304

brothers now that we have. About they will say the they 00:28:50.306 --> 00:28:52.339

About they will say the they are registered in a way well to

00:28:52.341 --> 00:28:53.006

are registered in a way well to the organization we have to

00:28:53.008 --> 00:28:54.175

the organization we have to have like a board and a

00:28:54.177 --> 00:28:54.808

have like a board and a committee and everything as

00:28:54.810 --> 00:28:57.078

committee and everything as well. Um, like I said, we're

00:28:57.080 --> 00:28:58.346

well. Um, like I said, we're still growing, we're still

00:28:58.348 --> 00:28:59.080

still growing, we're still implementing new rules as we

00:28:59.082 --> 00:29:05.252

implementing new rules as we grow. OK. OK Well, I mean, 00:29:05.254 --> 00:29:11.692

grow. OK. OK Well, I mean, thank you for your answers, uh. 00:29:11.694 --> 00:29:19.867

thank you for your answers, uh. Commissioner R. Yes. Yeah.

00:29:19.869 --> 00:29:22.436

Commissioner R. Yes. Yeah. What's the size of the, of this 00:29:22.438 --> 00:29:28.375

What's the size of the, of this banquet hall. Uh sorry, are you

00:29:28.377 --> 00:29:29.710

banquet hall. Uh sorry, are you asking the square footage of

00:29:29.712 --> 00:29:31.645

asking the square footage of their the space that they'll be 00:29:31.647 --> 00:29:33.647

their the space that they'll be leasing out. That is to be

00:29:33.649 --> 00:29:35.383

leasing out. That is to be determined is my understanding.

00:29:35.385 --> 00:29:38.052

determined is my understanding. Um, they, they are required to

00:29:38.054 --> 00:29:39.620

Um, they, they are required to submit a change of occupancy,

00:29:39.622 --> 00:29:41.355

submit a change of occupancy, so that will, the final square 00:29:41.357 --> 00:29:43.791

so that will, the final square footage will be determined in

00:29:43.793 --> 00:29:44.758

footage will be determined in their building permit

00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:47.695

their building permit application. So we we didn't

00:29:47.697 --> 00:29:49.563

application. So we we didn't have exhibits to um to submit

00:29:49.565 --> 00:29:50.932

have exhibits to um to submit as part of this presentation 00:29:50.934 --> 00:29:51.865

as part of this presentation because that's still being

00:29:51.867 --> 00:29:57.938

because that's still being determined. OK. OK, thanks.

00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:01.709

determined. OK. OK, thanks. Right, and you Go ahead. Just 00:30:01.711 --> 00:30:10.218

Right, and you Go ahead. Just This one. Yes, sir. and 00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:14.455

This one. Yes, sir. and register. And then profits

00:30:14.457 --> 00:30:15.222

register. And then profits registered and active. Yes, sir.

00:30:15.224 --> 00:30:20.628

registered and active. Yes, sir. OK. And with the 501c3 00:30:20.630 --> 00:30:21.829

OK. And with the 501c3 designation and all those kind

00:30:21.831 --> 00:30:28.435

designation and all those kind of things, so. OK, thank you.

00:30:28.437 --> 00:30:29.971

of things, so. OK, thank you. All right, any other questions,

00:30:29.973 --> 00:30:37.878

All right, any other questions, comments? You're not, um. The 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.113

comments? You're not, um. The motion is on the screen there,

00:30:39.115 --> 00:30:41.649

motion is on the screen there, so um. Who wants to make a 00:30:41.651 --> 00:30:47.922

so um. Who wants to make a motion. Oh, go ahead, make the

00:30:47.924 --> 00:30:55.629

motion. Oh, go ahead, make the motion. Motion to recommend a 00:30:55.631 --> 00:30:57.131

motion. Motion to recommend a resolution approving a

00:30:57.133 --> 00:30:58.966

resolution approving a conditional use permit for the

00:30:58.968 --> 00:31:00.301

conditional use permit for the operation of a social club and 00:31:00.303 --> 00:31:02.235

operation of a social club and a banquet hall. For private

00:31:02.237 --> 00:31:07.942

a banquet hall. For private events at. 84326 Avenue North.

00:31:07.944 --> 00:31:09.410

events at. 84326 Avenue North. Subject to the conditions

00:31:09.412 --> 00:31:11.478

Subject to the conditions contained in the draft 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:12.413

contained in the draft resolution, including the

00:31:12.415 --> 00:31:15.249

resolution, including the following conditions. A

00:31:15.251 --> 00:31:16.784

following conditions. A certificate of occupancy must

00:31:16.786 --> 00:31:19.119

certificate of occupancy must be obtained from the city's

00:31:19.121 --> 00:31:19.854

be obtained from the city's building department prior to

00:31:19.856 --> 00:31:25.626

building department prior to operation. Do we have a second? 00:31:25.628 --> 00:31:28.095

operation. Do we have a second? It was your main and seconded,

00:31:28.097 --> 00:31:30.831

It was your main and seconded, um, all in favor, say aye. Any 00:31:30.833 --> 00:31:36.771

um, all in favor, say aye. Any oppose? Right, um, motion

00:31:36.773 --> 00:31:41.108

oppose? Right, um, motion passes. Congratulations. This 00:31:41.110 --> 00:31:45.312

passes. Congratulations. This will be, um, presented at the

00:31:45.314 --> 00:31:47.381

will be, um, presented at the February 24th. City council

00:31:47.383 --> 00:31:55.322

February 24th. City council council meeting on the 24th. So 00:31:55.324 --> 00:31:58.292

council meeting on the 24th. So we'll move on to 5.3. Good

00:31:58.294 --> 00:31:59.259

we'll move on to 5.3. Good evening, Chair Frasier and

00:31:59.261 --> 00:32:00.227

evening, Chair Frasier and members of the planning 00:32:00.229 --> 00:32:01.695

members of the planning commission for the record, Erin

00:32:01.697 --> 00:32:02.730

commission for the record, Erin McDermott, senior planner with

00:32:02.732 --> 00:32:04.164

McDermott, senior planner with the planning division,

00:32:04.166 --> 00:32:05.966

the planning division, presenting a zoning tax

00:32:05.968 --> 00:32:07.501

presenting a zoning tax amendment with administrative

00:32:07.503 --> 00:32:10.871

amendment with administrative changes to development case 00:32:10.873 --> 00:32:11.605

changes to development case 2024-102 land usage code update?

00:32:11.607 --> 00:32:15.376

2024-102 land usage code update? Um I'm gonna close this.

00:32:15.378 --> 00:32:20.714

Um I'm gonna close this. There's no one else online. OK. 00:32:20.716 --> 00:32:22.483

There's no one else online. OK. So in front of you, there's a

00:32:22.485 --> 00:32:24.051

So in front of you, there's a chart with all of the

00:32:24.053 --> 00:32:25.186

chart with all of the administrative changes that are

00:32:25.188 --> 00:32:27.454

administrative changes that are being made, um, starting with

00:32:27.456 --> 00:32:30.324

being made, um, starting with definitions, we are adding a 00:32:30.326 --> 00:32:33.460

definitions, we are adding a definition for fence, um, the

00:32:33.462 --> 00:32:35.896

definition for fence, um, the Text amendment for the MERA or

00:32:35.898 --> 00:32:36.764

Text amendment for the MERA or the Mississippi River corridor

00:32:36.766 --> 00:32:38.866

the Mississippi River corridor Critical area. Um, that was

00:32:38.868 --> 00:32:40.401

Critical area. Um, that was adopted a year ago on Friday, 00:32:40.403 --> 00:32:44.738

adopted a year ago on Friday, um. Has provisions for fences

00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:47.141

um. Has provisions for fences with no firm definition. So to

00:32:47.143 --> 00:32:48.609

with no firm definition. So to ensure that we are equitably

00:32:48.611 --> 00:32:50.177

ensure that we are equitably treating our residents. We 00:32:50.179 --> 00:32:52.012

treating our residents. We wanted to adopt a definition to

00:32:52.014 --> 00:32:52.880

wanted to adopt a definition to make sure that everyone is

00:32:52.882 --> 00:32:55.148

make sure that everyone is being treated the same. Um,

00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:57.451

being treated the same. Um, with that, we're also amending

00:32:57.453 --> 00:32:59.987

with that, we're also amending our commercial vehicle. Um

00:32:59.989 --> 00:33:03.724

our commercial vehicle. Um Definition Staff had previously 00:33:03.726 --> 00:33:05.659

Definition Staff had previously gone through the process of

00:33:05.661 --> 00:33:07.127

gone through the process of getting that definition amended

00:33:07.129 --> 00:33:09.296

getting that definition amended in line with our commercial

00:33:09.298 --> 00:33:10.163

in line with our commercial vehicle parking ordinance back 00:33:10.165 --> 00:33:12.599

vehicle parking ordinance back in 2022. Uh, with the

00:33:12.601 --> 00:33:14.201

in 2022. Uh, with the compilation of all of the

00:33:14.203 --> 00:33:16.804

compilation of all of the zoning text amendments, um.

00:33:16.806 --> 00:33:18.539

zoning text amendments, um. Just over the years that came

00:33:18.541 --> 00:33:20.140

Just over the years that came in piecemeal when we're doing 00:33:20.142 --> 00:33:22.075

in piecemeal when we're doing the overall zoning code. Some

00:33:22.077 --> 00:33:23.010

the overall zoning code. Some of these amendments got missed

00:33:23.012 --> 00:33:25.679

of these amendments got missed when we were in our overall

00:33:25.681 --> 00:33:27.881

when we were in our overall document. So the text that's

00:33:27.883 --> 00:33:30.785

document. So the text that's before you is what exactly what 00:33:30.787 --> 00:33:31.852

before you is what exactly what was adopted in 2022, just for

00:33:31.854 --> 00:33:35.589

was adopted in 2022, just for that update. Um, the next thing

00:33:35.591 --> 00:33:38.058

that update. Um, the next thing is site plan review. We're

00:33:38.060 --> 00:33:40.027

is site plan review. We're adding the language for minor 00:33:40.029 --> 00:33:41.295

adding the language for minor site plan expansions back in.

00:33:41.297 --> 00:33:43.664

site plan expansions back in. This is the exact same text

00:33:43.666 --> 00:33:45.332

This is the exact same text that we previously had without

00:33:45.334 --> 00:33:48.035

that we previously had without this, uh, text change any site

00:33:48.037 --> 00:33:48.902

this, uh, text change any site plan changes would require a

00:33:48.904 --> 00:33:50.737

plan changes would require a formal site plan review. So 00:33:50.739 --> 00:33:53.139

formal site plan review. So this body would have to hold

00:33:53.141 --> 00:33:55.509

this body would have to hold public hearings for minor

00:33:55.511 --> 00:33:56.777

public hearings for minor alterations to properties such

00:33:56.779 --> 00:33:59.780

alterations to properties such as an entry. Way where they're

00:33:59.782 --> 00:34:01.048

as an entry. Way where they're they're looking to modify the 00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:03.384

they're looking to modify the outside, so this is the text

00:34:03.386 --> 00:34:05.118

outside, so this is the text amendment is anything less than

00:34:05.120 --> 00:34:06.820

amendment is anything less than 10% of the site or building

00:34:06.822 --> 00:34:10.324

10% of the site or building footprint. Um, can be handled 00:34:10.326 --> 00:34:11.058

footprint. Um, can be handled by administrative review by

00:34:11.060 --> 00:34:12.659

by administrative review by staff. So these are just for

00:34:12.661 --> 00:34:15.963

staff. So these are just for minor updates. Uh, the next

00:34:15.965 --> 00:34:17.163

minor updates. Uh, the next section, minimum floor area

00:34:17.165 --> 00:34:20.968

section, minimum floor area ratio. So this is a little bit 00:34:20.970 --> 00:34:23.203

ratio. So this is a little bit more involved than just an

00:34:23.205 --> 00:34:25.606

more involved than just an administrative review. This is

00:34:25.608 --> 00:34:27.574

administrative review. This is establishing a minimum FAR or

00:34:27.576 --> 00:34:30.177

establishing a minimum FAR or floor area ratio in all of the 00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:31.645

floor area ratio in all of the mixed-use zoning districts, um,

00:34:31.647 --> 00:34:33.514

mixed-use zoning districts, um, when we went through the 610

00:34:33.516 --> 00:34:35.415

when we went through the 610 corridor study or the

00:34:35.417 --> 00:34:37.751

corridor study or the moratorium, um, a minimum floor

00:34:37.753 --> 00:34:39.386

moratorium, um, a minimum floor area ratio was established for

00:34:39.388 --> 00:34:40.687

area ratio was established for our mixed-use zoning district. 00:34:40.689 --> 00:34:44.291

our mixed-use zoning district. Um With following conversations

00:34:44.293 --> 00:34:45.693

Um With following conversations that have been had between

00:34:45.695 --> 00:34:48.929

that have been had between staff and city council, um,

00:34:48.931 --> 00:34:50.196

staff and city council, um, staff realized that it was the 00:34:50.198 --> 00:34:52.533

staff realized that it was the expectation of counsel that a

00:34:52.535 --> 00:34:53.734

expectation of counsel that a minimum floor area ratio should

00:34:53.736 --> 00:34:55.936

minimum floor area ratio should be established for all of our

00:34:55.938 --> 00:34:58.338

be established for all of our mixed use zoning districts. So

00:34:58.340 --> 00:35:01.508

mixed use zoning districts. So with that we followed the, um, 00:35:01.510 --> 00:35:02.609

with that we followed the, um, the research that was provided

00:35:02.611 --> 00:35:05.178

the research that was provided during that corridor study. And

00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:06.413

during that corridor study. And compiled it with minimum floor

00:35:06.415 --> 00:35:07.814

compiled it with minimum floor area ratios, that makes sense

00:35:07.816 --> 00:35:10.651

area ratios, that makes sense in those zoning districts. Um, 00:35:10.653 --> 00:35:11.985

in those zoning districts. Um, the next section is minimum

00:35:11.987 --> 00:35:14.855

the next section is minimum required open space. We have

00:35:14.857 --> 00:35:17.057

required open space. We have another section that is also

00:35:17.059 --> 00:35:18.626

another section that is also dealing with impervious surface,

00:35:18.628 --> 00:35:21.094

dealing with impervious surface, they conflicted. So we're 00:35:21.096 --> 00:35:22.462

they conflicted. So we're reconciling those standards. Um,

00:35:22.464 --> 00:35:24.364

reconciling those standards. Um, there were only conflicts in

00:35:24.366 --> 00:35:28.835

there were only conflicts in our B2, BP, and I districts,

00:35:28.837 --> 00:35:30.837

our B2, BP, and I districts, which is our general business, 00:35:30.839 --> 00:35:32.940

which is our general business, business park and industrial.

00:35:32.942 --> 00:35:33.907

business park and industrial. The percentages that were

00:35:33.909 --> 00:35:34.775

The percentages that were required for both did not work

00:35:34.777 --> 00:35:38.712

required for both did not work out. Uh, the next section is

00:35:38.714 --> 00:35:40.047

out. Uh, the next section is outdoor storage requirements. 00:35:40.049 --> 00:35:41.982

outdoor storage requirements. Um, with the overall zoning

00:35:41.984 --> 00:35:44.885

Um, with the overall zoning code update, we adopted as a

00:35:44.887 --> 00:35:46.420

code update, we adopted as a permitted accessory use in all

00:35:46.422 --> 00:35:47.788

permitted accessory use in all of the districts that would

00:35:47.790 --> 00:35:51.625

of the districts that would allow for commercial uses. Uh, 00:35:51.627 --> 00:35:52.659

allow for commercial uses. Uh, without adopting any standards

00:35:52.661 --> 00:35:54.995

without adopting any standards for the B1, B2, or mixed-use

00:35:54.997 --> 00:35:58.432

for the B1, B2, or mixed-use zoning districts, so. With this,

00:35:58.434 --> 00:36:00.968

zoning districts, so. With this, staff use the same setback 00:36:00.970 --> 00:36:01.502

staff use the same setback requirements for parking,

00:36:01.504 --> 00:36:02.669

requirements for parking, because if we wouldn't want

00:36:02.671 --> 00:36:04.738

because if we wouldn't want someone to park a car there, we

00:36:04.740 --> 00:36:06.673

someone to park a car there, we probably don't want them to be

00:36:06.675 --> 00:36:07.541

probably don't want them to be storing their outdoor storage

00:36:07.543 --> 00:36:09.543

storing their outdoor storage goods. That close to the

00:36:09.545 --> 00:36:12.346

goods. That close to the property line. Um, and then the 00:36:12.348 --> 00:36:14.582

property line. Um, and then the final one is in our parking

00:36:14.584 --> 00:36:16.383

final one is in our parking section where it reintroducing

00:36:16.385 --> 00:36:17.050

section where it reintroducing language requiring vehicles be

00:36:17.052 --> 00:36:18.652

language requiring vehicles be parked on a paved surface. This

00:36:18.654 --> 00:36:20.454

parked on a paved surface. This was brought to our attention by 00:36:20.456 --> 00:36:21.121

was brought to our attention by our environmental health team.

00:36:21.123 --> 00:36:23.824

our environmental health team. This is one of their most

00:36:23.826 --> 00:36:24.692

This is one of their most frequently used enforcement

00:36:24.694 --> 00:36:26.626

frequently used enforcement actions. Um, this is meant to

00:36:26.628 --> 00:36:28.261

actions. Um, this is meant to protect our, our groundwater,

00:36:28.263 --> 00:36:30.631

protect our, our groundwater, making sure that we don't have 00:36:30.633 --> 00:36:31.898

making sure that we don't have vehicles leaking fluid into the

00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:36.603

vehicles leaking fluid into the ground. Um, this slide may look

00:36:36.605 --> 00:36:37.871

ground. Um, this slide may look familiar to any of our

00:36:37.873 --> 00:36:40.273

familiar to any of our commissioners who were with us 00:36:40.275 --> 00:36:43.209

commissioners who were with us during the 60 corridor study,

00:36:43.211 --> 00:36:44.711

during the 60 corridor study, this explains what floor area

00:36:44.713 --> 00:36:46.079

this explains what floor area ratio is just so that everyone

00:36:46.081 --> 00:36:49.316

ratio is just so that everyone is on the same page. Um, so

00:36:49.318 --> 00:36:51.818

is on the same page. Um, so this objective is to ensure 00:36:51.820 --> 00:36:52.485

this objective is to ensure that parcels aren't

00:36:52.487 --> 00:36:53.820

that parcels aren't underdeveloped. By setting this

00:36:53.822 --> 00:36:56.623

underdeveloped. By setting this floor area ratio, we can We

00:36:56.625 --> 00:36:58.058

floor area ratio, we can We have a bit more control to make

00:36:58.060 --> 00:36:59.026

have a bit more control to make sure that we're not just going

00:36:59.028 --> 00:37:02.429

sure that we're not just going to end up with large paved 00:37:02.431 --> 00:37:03.530

to end up with large paved portions, small buildings, and

00:37:03.532 --> 00:37:05.399

portions, small buildings, and it's going to meet city

00:37:05.401 --> 00:37:06.866

it's going to meet city council's goal of the tax

00:37:06.868 --> 00:37:10.804

council's goal of the tax increase, tax base increase. Um 00:37:10.806 --> 00:37:13.273

increase, tax base increase. Um And so, whoops, here is a

00:37:13.275 --> 00:37:15.542

And so, whoops, here is a little bit of a better

00:37:15.544 --> 00:37:17.210

little bit of a better understanding just so that you

00:37:17.212 --> 00:37:18.345

understanding just so that you can understand that these

00:37:18.347 --> 00:37:19.546

can understand that these minimum floor area ratios, they

00:37:19.548 --> 00:37:21.048

minimum floor area ratios, they can look very different. So to 00:37:21.050 --> 00:37:22.315

can look very different. So to meet that same goal, we're

00:37:22.317 --> 00:37:24.718

meet that same goal, we're gonna, we could get multiple

00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:26.253

gonna, we could get multiple stories, um, or different

00:37:26.255 --> 00:37:29.656

stories, um, or different widths of the building. And

00:37:29.658 --> 00:37:30.624

widths of the building. And with that staff recommends 00:37:30.626 --> 00:37:32.025

with that staff recommends approval of the zoning tax

00:37:32.027 --> 00:37:36.230

approval of the zoning tax amendment as proposed. Thank

00:37:36.232 --> 00:37:43.970

amendment as proposed. Thank you. So, um, anyone from the 00:37:43.972 --> 00:37:45.339

you. So, um, anyone from the public would like to ask any

00:37:45.341 --> 00:37:51.745

public would like to ask any questions? All right. Here, 00:37:51.747 --> 00:37:53.580

questions? All right. Here, none will close the public

00:37:53.582 --> 00:37:55.949

none will close the public hearing and bring it back to,

00:37:55.951 --> 00:37:58.618

hearing and bring it back to, um, the commissioners. Um, so I

00:37:58.620 --> 00:38:00.287

um, the commissioners. Um, so I have a question in regards to 00:38:00.289 --> 00:38:05.892

have a question in regards to um. You know, extending the,

00:38:05.894 --> 00:38:07.294

um. You know, extending the, the FAR requirements outside

00:38:07.296 --> 00:38:08.161

the FAR requirements outside what we had originally

00:38:08.163 --> 00:38:11.898

what we had originally discussed, and I'm curious. 00:38:11.900 --> 00:38:15.168

discussed, and I'm curious. Given that they There aren't a

00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:16.336

Given that they There aren't a lot of development in those

00:38:16.338 --> 00:38:17.738

lot of development in those other areas. I was wondering

00:38:17.740 --> 00:38:21.175

other areas. I was wondering what's the What was the kind of 00:38:21.177 --> 00:38:23.643

what's the What was the kind of thought behind that. Thank you,

00:38:23.645 --> 00:38:25.479

thought behind that. Thank you, Chair Frasier, members of the

00:38:25.481 --> 00:38:28.281

Chair Frasier, members of the planning commission, um, with

00:38:28.283 --> 00:38:30.650

planning commission, um, with that, and the goal isn't only 00:38:30.652 --> 00:38:32.586

that, and the goal isn't only for development. The goal is

00:38:32.588 --> 00:38:34.287

for development. The goal is for good development, making

00:38:34.289 --> 00:38:37.491

for good development, making sure that the, the final green

00:38:37.493 --> 00:38:38.191

sure that the, the final green spaces and greenfield

00:38:38.193 --> 00:38:40.861

spaces and greenfield development sites within the 00:38:40.863 --> 00:38:42.061

development sites within the city aren't underutilized

00:38:42.063 --> 00:38:43.863

city aren't underutilized because we're um with the

00:38:43.865 --> 00:38:45.766

because we're um with the Northwest growth area, those

00:38:45.768 --> 00:38:47.634

Northwest growth area, those are the remaining 700 acres of

00:38:47.636 --> 00:38:50.003

are the remaining 700 acres of greenfield within the city. We 00:38:50.005 --> 00:38:51.404

greenfield within the city. We have one off sites throughout

00:38:51.406 --> 00:38:53.140

have one off sites throughout the city, so making sure that

00:38:53.142 --> 00:38:54.608

the city, so making sure that those are utilized to their

00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:56.777

those are utilized to their best extent to ensure that the

00:38:56.779 --> 00:38:58.746

best extent to ensure that the tax base growth is adequate to

00:38:58.748 --> 00:39:00.180

tax base growth is adequate to help support the city and to 00:39:00.182 --> 00:39:01.081

help support the city and to make sure that the residents

00:39:01.083 --> 00:39:05.318

make sure that the residents are You know, getting the. The

00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.154

are You know, getting the. The benefit that they deserve with.

00:39:07.156 --> 00:39:08.855

benefit that they deserve with. This development. Great, thank

00:39:08.857 --> 00:39:13.026

This development. Great, thank you. Any other questions, 00:39:13.028 --> 00:39:20.768

you. Any other questions, comments? commissioner Way Wale. 00:39:20.770 --> 00:39:24.671

comments? commissioner Way Wale. Thank you. Uh, if you put back

00:39:24.673 --> 00:39:28.007

Thank you. Uh, if you put back the Previous definition, no,

00:39:28.009 --> 00:39:32.779

the Previous definition, no, the other one, Yeah, yeah, here, 00:39:32.781 --> 00:39:35.115

the other one, Yeah, yeah, here, uh, one is on the site plan

00:39:35.117 --> 00:39:37.751

uh, one is on the site plan review, um. You know, the, the

00:39:37.753 --> 00:39:40.120

review, um. You know, the, the amendment is really to For 00:39:40.122 --> 00:39:43.657

amendment is really to For minor site plan. Expansion Not

00:39:43.659 --> 00:39:45.959

minor site plan. Expansion Not to go through the review

00:39:45.961 --> 00:39:47.627

to go through the review process and is there any

00:39:47.629 --> 00:39:49.896

process and is there any definition of what's minor? And

00:39:49.898 --> 00:39:52.866

definition of what's minor? And you know, to put that uh 00:39:52.868 --> 00:39:55.335

you know, to put that uh clearly what's within, you know,

00:39:55.337 --> 00:39:57.937

clearly what's within, you know, minor definitions is uh You

00:39:57.939 --> 00:40:00.373

minor definitions is uh You know, one question I have, uh, 00:40:00.375 --> 00:40:01.642

know, one question I have, uh, maybe somewhere we have to add

00:40:01.644 --> 00:40:04.344

maybe somewhere we have to add the footnote, maybe define what

00:40:04.346 --> 00:40:06.013

the footnote, maybe define what that means, uh, clearly so that

00:40:06.015 --> 00:40:09.583

that means, uh, clearly so that it's understood. And the other

00:40:09.585 --> 00:40:10.918

it's understood. And the other question I have, maybe this one 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.655

question I have, maybe this one is uh just uh clarification. In

00:40:15.657 --> 00:40:17.023

is uh just uh clarification. In terms of the minimum floor area

00:40:17.025 --> 00:40:23.397

terms of the minimum floor area ratio. So So this change will 00:40:23.399 --> 00:40:25.532

ratio. So So this change will bring more, I mean less green

00:40:25.534 --> 00:40:30.236

bring more, I mean less green area, right? More of not the 00:40:30.238 --> 00:40:32.239

area, right? More of not the least, OK. I, that's what, you

00:40:32.241 --> 00:40:35.542

least, OK. I, that's what, you know, how I. Frazier members of

00:40:35.544 --> 00:40:37.010

know, how I. Frazier members of the planning commission. I, I

00:40:37.012 --> 00:40:38.578

the planning commission. I, I very much appreciate those

00:40:38.580 --> 00:40:39.312

very much appreciate those questions. Commissioner Wacko,

00:40:39.314 --> 00:40:40.914

questions. Commissioner Wacko, and that, that is a really good 00:40:40.916 --> 00:40:41.648

and that, that is a really good lead into this following

00:40:41.650 --> 00:40:44.918

lead into this following question. Um, for your first

00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.754

question. Um, for your first question, uh, there are, there

00:40:47.756 --> 00:40:50.657

question, uh, there are, there is a list of what exempts a 00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:52.125

is a list of what exempts a site plan review from being a

00:40:52.127 --> 00:40:53.560

site plan review from being a formal site plan review that's

00:40:53.562 --> 00:40:55.061

formal site plan review that's brought before this body. Um, I

00:40:55.063 --> 00:40:56.563

brought before this body. Um, I don't off the top of my head

00:40:56.565 --> 00:41:00.100

don't off the top of my head for the first time, can't list 00:41:00.102 --> 00:41:01.501

for the first time, can't list the actual criteria. The

00:41:01.503 --> 00:41:03.837

the actual criteria. The majority are, um, so single

00:41:03.839 --> 00:41:05.705

majority are, um, so single family residences, when we get

00:41:05.707 --> 00:41:06.640

family residences, when we get building permits for houses, as

00:41:06.642 --> 00:41:08.108

building permits for houses, as long as they meet the zoning

00:41:08.110 --> 00:41:09.075

long as they meet the zoning codes, they aren't required to

00:41:09.077 --> 00:41:11.478

codes, they aren't required to come before this body, so 00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:13.747

come before this body, so residential construction, um.

00:41:13.749 --> 00:41:16.249

residential construction, um. We, we have a number of other

00:41:16.251 --> 00:41:18.051

We, we have a number of other criteria of what would exempt

00:41:18.053 --> 00:41:20.086

criteria of what would exempt them. They're all spelled out, 00:41:20.088 --> 00:41:21.922

them. They're all spelled out, if I remember correctly, this

00:41:21.924 --> 00:41:24.491

if I remember correctly, this tax amendment is subpart E, so

00:41:24.493 --> 00:41:25.893

tax amendment is subpart E, so there's subparts A through D

00:41:25.895 --> 00:41:28.695

there's subparts A through D that are also outlined as to

00:41:28.697 --> 00:41:31.231

that are also outlined as to what would qualify them for an 00:41:31.233 --> 00:41:33.100

what would qualify them for an administrative review. It's at

00:41:33.102 --> 00:41:34.534

administrative review. It's at the the this section is at the

00:41:34.536 --> 00:41:37.404

the the this section is at the bottom of the first page of the

00:41:37.406 --> 00:41:38.771

bottom of the first page of the ordinance and the attachments,

00:41:38.773 --> 00:41:40.707

ordinance and the attachments, the part that starts out. It 00:41:40.709 --> 00:41:41.775

the part that starts out. It says site plan review right at

00:41:41.777 --> 00:41:45.178

says site plan review right at the top of the section. And

00:41:45.180 --> 00:41:46.646

the top of the section. And there it lays out everything

00:41:46.648 --> 00:41:49.148

there it lays out everything here and was just outlining,

00:41:49.150 --> 00:41:50.683

here and was just outlining, and this isn't, this isn't new. 00:41:50.685 --> 00:41:52.486

and this isn't, this isn't new. This was, you know, this is

00:41:52.488 --> 00:41:53.854

This was, you know, this is just a clarification. Um. This

00:41:53.856 --> 00:41:54.921

just a clarification. Um. This is, this has been in the zoning

00:41:54.923 --> 00:41:59.659

is, this has been in the zoning code for. A very long time. It

00:41:59.661 --> 00:42:01.027

code for. A very long time. It was, it was brought to our 00:42:01.029 --> 00:42:03.063

was, it was brought to our attention that it had been

00:42:03.065 --> 00:42:04.364

attention that it had been overlooked when we did the

00:42:04.366 --> 00:42:06.934

overlooked when we did the zoning code update due to, um,

00:42:06.936 --> 00:42:07.801

zoning code update due to, um, there is a religious

00:42:07.803 --> 00:42:08.901

there is a religious institution within the city

00:42:08.903 --> 00:42:11.204

institution within the city that is looking to expand. They, 00:42:11.206 --> 00:42:13.640

that is looking to expand. They, they owned the whole building.

00:42:13.642 --> 00:42:14.607

they owned the whole building. There were multiple tenancies,

00:42:14.609 --> 00:42:16.276

There were multiple tenancies, so they had renters, and now

00:42:16.278 --> 00:42:17.577

so they had renters, and now the renters have all moved and

00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:19.012

the renters have all moved and they own the building all right.

00:42:19.014 --> 00:42:20.947

they own the building all right. So they're looking to do 00:42:20.949 --> 00:42:22.515

So they're looking to do modifications to the interior

00:42:22.517 --> 00:42:24.250

modifications to the interior of the building to suit the

00:42:24.252 --> 00:42:25.818

of the building to suit the needs of their congregation,

00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:28.121

needs of their congregation, but they also were hoping to

00:42:28.123 --> 00:42:29.055

but they also were hoping to add entryways. So I think the

00:42:29.057 --> 00:42:30.823

add entryways. So I think the total score. footage of the 00:42:30.825 --> 00:42:33.226

total score. footage of the development. Building that they

00:42:33.228 --> 00:42:35.228

development. Building that they wanted to put on the site for

00:42:35.230 --> 00:42:36.363

wanted to put on the site for each entryway was like 12

00:42:36.365 --> 00:42:40.467

each entryway was like 12 square feet. Which I, I don't 00:42:40.469 --> 00:42:41.467

square feet. Which I, I don't know how you feel about that,

00:42:41.469 --> 00:42:42.536

know how you feel about that, but I feel like that would be

00:42:42.538 --> 00:42:44.838

but I feel like that would be kind of silly to require them

00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.474

kind of silly to require them to pay all of the application

00:42:47.476 --> 00:42:49.642

to pay all of the application fees and have a public hearing

00:42:49.644 --> 00:42:51.545

fees and have a public hearing for that 12 square feet when we 00:42:51.547 --> 00:42:53.546

for that 12 square feet when we had previously been allowing it,

00:42:53.548 --> 00:42:55.548

had previously been allowing it, um, and, and for this body, it,

00:42:55.550 --> 00:42:57.484

um, and, and for this body, it, it feels like you have better

00:42:57.486 --> 00:43:00.587

it feels like you have better uses of your time. Um. Yeah, I, 00:43:00.589 --> 00:43:01.988

uses of your time. Um. Yeah, I, I really appreciate that change,

00:43:01.990 --> 00:43:03.523

I really appreciate that change, uh, that's, that's really very

00:43:03.525 --> 00:43:05.992

uh, that's, that's really very good, uh, just maybe just

00:43:05.994 --> 00:43:08.729

good, uh, just maybe just clarity to add into it and when

00:43:08.731 --> 00:43:11.197

clarity to add into it and when do I need site review and 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:12.265

do I need site review and what's what's within minor and

00:43:12.267 --> 00:43:15.201

what's what's within minor and uh. And that's, you know, thank

00:43:15.203 --> 00:43:16.603

uh. And that's, you know, thank you for that explanation and

00:43:16.605 --> 00:43:19.172

you for that explanation and maybe one last question is uh.

00:43:19.174 --> 00:43:20.907

maybe one last question is uh. There is a, you know, parking 00:43:20.909 --> 00:43:25.645

There is a, you know, parking is uh area, um. There are times,

00:43:25.647 --> 00:43:28.548

is uh area, um. There are times, you know, Brooklyn Park has

00:43:28.550 --> 00:43:30.517

you know, Brooklyn Park has lots of attractions and 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:31.985

lots of attractions and sometimes religious

00:43:31.987 --> 00:43:32.886

sometimes religious institutions of congregations

00:43:32.888 --> 00:43:35.155

institutions of congregations and only for short term, that

00:43:35.157 --> 00:43:37.257

and only for short term, that sometimes, you know, cars get

00:43:37.259 --> 00:43:39.893

sometimes, you know, cars get parked when there's no spaces.

00:43:39.895 --> 00:43:43.596

parked when there's no spaces. On the paved area. or in in the 00:43:43.598 --> 00:43:45.532

On the paved area. or in in the sports areas, uh, would that

00:43:45.534 --> 00:43:47.300

sports areas, uh, would that fall within, you know, would,

00:43:47.302 --> 00:43:48.101

fall within, you know, would, would there be ticket or would

00:43:48.103 --> 00:43:51.037

would there be ticket or would there be, you know, would this? 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:52.372

there be, you know, would this? Ordinance, uh, prohibit those

00:43:52.374 --> 00:43:56.676

Ordinance, uh, prohibit those kind of. Short term Thank you,

00:43:56.678 --> 00:43:58.144

kind of. Short term Thank you, Chair Frazier and members of

00:43:58.146 --> 00:43:59.479

Chair Frazier and members of the planning commission know in

00:43:59.481 --> 00:44:02.015

the planning commission know in this instance, this is for when 00:44:02.017 --> 00:44:02.849

this instance, this is for when our environmental health team

00:44:02.851 --> 00:44:05.351

our environmental health team goes out to do, we do proactive

00:44:05.353 --> 00:44:07.320

goes out to do, we do proactive sweeps throughout the community,

00:44:07.322 --> 00:44:08.822

sweeps throughout the community, um, to ensure community

00:44:08.824 --> 00:44:10.991

um, to ensure community wellness and our um. Our 00:44:10.993 --> 00:44:11.958

wellness and our um. Our colleagues have found that

00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.926

colleagues have found that there are a number of

00:44:13.928 --> 00:44:15.795

there are a number of residential properties on which

00:44:15.797 --> 00:44:17.297

residential properties on which people park their vehicles next

00:44:17.299 --> 00:44:20.267

people park their vehicles next to the driveway. Uh, which 00:44:20.269 --> 00:44:22.068

to the driveway. Uh, which erodes the, the ground next to

00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:24.036

erodes the, the ground next to that and runs risk of

00:44:24.038 --> 00:44:24.871

that and runs risk of contaminating the soil. So this

00:44:24.873 --> 00:44:27.774

contaminating the soil. So this is for a long. Typically for

00:44:27.776 --> 00:44:29.175

is for a long. Typically for longer term parking, those

00:44:29.177 --> 00:44:31.078

longer term parking, those events that you speak of are 00:44:31.080 --> 00:44:32.712

events that you speak of are typically covered under our

00:44:32.714 --> 00:44:35.081

typically covered under our special events permits and so

00:44:35.083 --> 00:44:36.449

special events permits and so they have already spoken with

00:44:36.451 --> 00:44:39.319

they have already spoken with the city and gotten permission

00:44:39.321 --> 00:44:40.120

the city and gotten permission for additional parking where 00:44:40.122 --> 00:44:47.026

for additional parking where necessary. OK thank you sure.

00:44:47.028 --> 00:44:51.297

necessary. OK thank you sure. Um, I thank you very much, um. 00:44:51.299 --> 00:44:52.699

Um, I thank you very much, um. My concern, uh, you know, goes

00:44:52.701 --> 00:44:55.401

My concern, uh, you know, goes back to the uh definition of

00:44:55.403 --> 00:44:58.705

back to the uh definition of what a fence is. Um, unless

00:44:58.707 --> 00:45:02.576

what a fence is. Um, unless there are Other descriptions 00:45:02.578 --> 00:45:04.711

there are Other descriptions elsewhere. This the definition

00:45:04.713 --> 00:45:09.182

elsewhere. This the definition of my opinion is, uh, well, I

00:45:09.184 --> 00:45:12.118

of my opinion is, uh, well, I Maybe go go back and revisit my 00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:16.222

Maybe go go back and revisit my concern a while ago, uh.

00:45:16.224 --> 00:45:18.558

concern a while ago, uh. Somebody tried to install an

00:45:18.560 --> 00:45:21.528

Somebody tried to install an electric fence. So with this. 00:45:21.530 --> 00:45:22.996

electric fence. So with this. definition of what expenses

00:45:22.998 --> 00:45:25.398

definition of what expenses that would not be out of the

00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:27.767

that would not be out of the ordinary, you know that would

00:45:27.769 --> 00:45:28.869

ordinary, you know that would go through and any other fence

00:45:28.871 --> 00:45:34.707

go through and any other fence that. We may deem, you know, uh, 00:45:34.709 --> 00:45:36.977

that. We may deem, you know, uh, some people may dangerous to uh

00:45:36.979 --> 00:45:38.812

some people may dangerous to uh people, wildlife or what, what,

00:45:38.814 --> 00:45:42.782

people, wildlife or what, what, what, whatever. So, um, How 00:45:42.784 --> 00:45:44.050

what, whatever. So, um, How does this definition handle a

00:45:44.052 --> 00:45:46.852

does this definition handle a situation like that. If I might

00:45:46.854 --> 00:45:49.489

situation like that. If I might ask Thank you, Chair Frasier

00:45:49.491 --> 00:45:50.690

ask Thank you, Chair Frasier and members of the planning 00:45:50.692 --> 00:45:52.392

and members of the planning commission, uh, for the fence

00:45:52.394 --> 00:45:55.662

commission, uh, for the fence definition, we, we did adopt

00:45:55.664 --> 00:45:56.929

definition, we, we did adopt the Merriam-Webster's

00:45:56.931 --> 00:45:58.197

the Merriam-Webster's definition of offense, just for

00:45:58.199 --> 00:45:59.899

definition of offense, just for clarification, I know that the

00:45:59.901 --> 00:46:02.269

clarification, I know that the code does differ to the common 00:46:02.271 --> 00:46:03.836

code does differ to the common definition if one is available,

00:46:03.838 --> 00:46:09.109

definition if one is available, um. I, I don't, I'm apologize.

00:46:09.111 --> 00:46:11.377

um. I, I don't, I'm apologize. I do not know of any instances 00:46:11.379 --> 00:46:12.812

I do not know of any instances where someone would install an

00:46:12.814 --> 00:46:14.748

where someone would install an electric fence that wouldn't be

00:46:14.750 --> 00:46:16.683

electric fence that wouldn't be like a boundary fence enclosing

00:46:16.685 --> 00:46:18.918

like a boundary fence enclosing the area or trying to prove.

00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.420

the area or trying to prove. Prevent egress, so I, I, we had 00:46:21.422 --> 00:46:24.257

Prevent egress, so I, I, we had not considered that. I

00:46:24.259 --> 00:46:25.825

not considered that. I appreciate it it came up and we

00:46:25.827 --> 00:46:29.496

appreciate it it came up and we had a, a healthy debate on that

00:46:29.498 --> 00:46:31.097

had a, a healthy debate on that and, you know, in my opinion, 00:46:31.099 --> 00:46:32.999

and, you know, in my opinion, you know, the, at that time,

00:46:33.001 --> 00:46:37.303

you know, the, at that time, even though I did not know so

00:46:37.305 --> 00:46:39.239

even though I did not know so supported but there was nothing

00:46:39.241 --> 00:46:40.640

supported but there was nothing that could have prevented it. 00:46:40.642 --> 00:46:42.308

that could have prevented it. You know, you know, from, from

00:46:42.310 --> 00:46:45.111

You know, you know, from, from being built, you know, it was a

00:46:45.113 --> 00:46:46.479

being built, you know, it was a fences are prohibited on our

00:46:46.481 --> 00:46:49.081

fences are prohibited on our use table so we this isn't this

00:46:49.083 --> 00:46:50.850

use table so we this isn't this is not removing or replacing, 00:46:50.852 --> 00:46:53.987

is not removing or replacing, we have a, a fence standards

00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:56.189

we have a, a fence standards section. So there is an

00:46:56.191 --> 00:46:57.357

section. So there is an additional development section

00:46:57.359 --> 00:47:00.059

additional development section within the code, um, that 00:47:00.061 --> 00:47:02.595

within the code, um, that defines how fences can go in.

00:47:02.597 --> 00:47:03.963

defines how fences can go in. And where fences can go, how

00:47:03.965 --> 00:47:05.932

And where fences can go, how tall they can be, we just did

00:47:05.934 --> 00:47:07.500

tall they can be, we just did not have a definition of what

00:47:07.502 --> 00:47:09.068

not have a definition of what offense is, and so that's where

00:47:09.070 --> 00:47:14.807

offense is, and so that's where I think that's where. There's, 00:47:14.809 --> 00:47:16.209

I think that's where. There's, I'm still a little confused. So

00:47:16.211 --> 00:47:18.645

I'm still a little confused. So uh so you're saying you have 2

00:47:18.647 --> 00:47:20.580

uh so you're saying you have 2 or 3 different places that 00:47:20.582 --> 00:47:23.115

or 3 different places that somebody has to look to fully

00:47:23.117 --> 00:47:25.051

somebody has to look to fully understand what qualifies as a

00:47:25.053 --> 00:47:29.990

understand what qualifies as a legal offense. That's Um That

00:47:29.992 --> 00:47:35.094

legal offense. That's Um That is confusing to say the least. 00:47:35.096 --> 00:47:36.396

is confusing to say the least. um Chair Fraser, Commissioner

00:47:36.398 --> 00:47:39.465

um Chair Fraser, Commissioner Rudama, yes, uh, it is very

00:47:39.467 --> 00:47:40.400

Rudama, yes, uh, it is very that's very true. Uh, you know, 00:47:40.402 --> 00:47:43.870

that's very true. Uh, you know, this, this is the nature of

00:47:43.872 --> 00:47:44.704

this, this is the nature of regulation and ordinances, you

00:47:44.706 --> 00:47:46.639

regulation and ordinances, you know, you'll recall that when

00:47:46.641 --> 00:47:48.475

know, you'll recall that when we, when we, when we took

00:47:48.477 --> 00:47:51.511

we, when we, when we took through Um, all of these 00:47:51.513 --> 00:47:52.779

through Um, all of these changes last year, you recall

00:47:52.781 --> 00:47:54.281

changes last year, you recall we we sat down over, over the

00:47:54.283 --> 00:47:56.649

we we sat down over, over the course of several months at at

00:47:56.651 --> 00:47:57.250

course of several months at at work sessions upstairs, you

00:47:57.252 --> 00:47:59.085

work sessions upstairs, you know, pouring through all these

00:47:59.087 --> 00:48:01.487

know, pouring through all these details of the ordinance and 00:48:01.489 --> 00:48:03.423

details of the ordinance and among the several goals that we

00:48:03.425 --> 00:48:05.858

among the several goals that we had for that update was to at

00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:07.827

had for that update was to at least take a first step in

00:48:07.829 --> 00:48:09.896

least take a first step in making the ordinance more

00:48:09.898 --> 00:48:11.831

making the ordinance more readable and easier to use, um, 00:48:11.833 --> 00:48:15.068

readable and easier to use, um, that's the first step of a long

00:48:15.070 --> 00:48:17.036

that's the first step of a long journey. The ordinances are

00:48:17.038 --> 00:48:17.970

journey. The ordinances are very confusing. You're

00:48:17.972 --> 00:48:19.172

very confusing. You're absolutely right. If you want

00:48:19.174 --> 00:48:21.040

absolutely right. If you want to know everything. that apply 00:48:21.042 --> 00:48:22.642

to know everything. that apply all the rules that apply to

00:48:22.644 --> 00:48:25.044

all the rules that apply to offense, um. It probably is

00:48:25.046 --> 00:48:26.879

offense, um. It probably is about 3 places, I think that

00:48:26.881 --> 00:48:27.947

about 3 places, I think that you have to look to get all

00:48:27.949 --> 00:48:30.316

you have to look to get all that information, if not more, 00:48:30.318 --> 00:48:31.751

that information, if not more, um, but then what we do as

00:48:31.753 --> 00:48:35.121

um, but then what we do as staff is to help homeowners in

00:48:35.123 --> 00:48:36.522

staff is to help homeowners in particular to um understand all

00:48:36.524 --> 00:48:39.492

particular to um understand all that as we produce um handouts

00:48:39.494 --> 00:48:41.094

that as we produce um handouts and web web pages that bring 00:48:41.096 --> 00:48:43.329

and web web pages that bring that all together in a much

00:48:43.331 --> 00:48:44.931

that all together in a much more readable fashion with

00:48:44.933 --> 00:48:47.466

more readable fashion with visuals and and site plans and

00:48:47.468 --> 00:48:49.135

visuals and and site plans and photos, uh, to help people

00:48:49.137 --> 00:48:50.537

photos, uh, to help people understand that because you're 00:48:50.539 --> 00:48:52.539

understand that because you're right, it's very difficult to,

00:48:52.541 --> 00:48:53.340

right, it's very difficult to, to read all this in, in code

00:48:53.342 --> 00:48:55.875

to read all this in, in code language. and understand it all.

00:48:55.877 --> 00:48:58.077

language. and understand it all. Right, so um we're following up

00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:01.348

Right, so um we're following up if the uh First students people 00:49:01.350 --> 00:49:04.784

if the uh First students people from North Carolina. Had um To

00:49:04.786 --> 00:49:06.619

from North Carolina. Had um To do this all over again, um,

00:49:06.621 --> 00:49:13.559

do this all over again, um, would they still. be uh Able to 00:49:13.561 --> 00:49:14.627

would they still. be uh Able to uh uh you know in you know in

00:49:14.629 --> 00:49:16.629

uh uh you know in you know in compliance, you know, bring

00:49:16.631 --> 00:49:19.532

compliance, you know, bring that uh re request again to do

00:49:19.534 --> 00:49:21.201

that uh re request again to do a uh an electric, the electric 00:49:21.203 --> 00:49:22.768

a uh an electric, the electric fence by, by a park. Would that

00:49:22.770 --> 00:49:28.307

fence by, by a park. Would that still be? Chair for an example

00:49:28.309 --> 00:49:29.775

still be? Chair for an example of the Commission, thank you to

00:49:29.777 --> 00:49:31.611

of the Commission, thank you to answer that question, know what 00:49:31.613 --> 00:49:34.981

answer that question, know what this zoning code update, um, we

00:49:34.983 --> 00:49:36.383

this zoning code update, um, we actually added electric fences

00:49:36.385 --> 00:49:37.917

actually added electric fences to the use table and state

00:49:37.919 --> 00:49:39.418

to the use table and state statute, the state statute that

00:49:39.420 --> 00:49:42.188

statute, the state statute that gives the city the authority to 00:49:42.190 --> 00:49:44.123

gives the city the authority to consider a variance does not

00:49:44.125 --> 00:49:47.527

consider a variance does not permit a use variance, it only

00:49:47.529 --> 00:49:49.729

permit a use variance, it only or will only permit a variance

00:49:49.731 --> 00:49:51.664

or will only permit a variance from development standards. So 00:49:51.666 --> 00:49:52.598

from development standards. So previously, the way that the

00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:54.333

previously, the way that the code was written, electric

00:49:54.335 --> 00:49:58.137

code was written, electric fences. The The development

00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:00.606

fences. The The development standard was that the fence was 00:50:00.608 --> 00:50:02.008

standard was that the fence was electrified and now on our use

00:50:02.010 --> 00:50:04.477

electrified and now on our use table, electric fences as a use

00:50:04.479 --> 00:50:06.413

table, electric fences as a use are not permitted. So the city

00:50:06.415 --> 00:50:08.281

are not permitted. So the city would not be able to consider a

00:50:08.283 --> 00:50:10.083

would not be able to consider a variance for a use, so electric 00:50:10.085 --> 00:50:11.417

variance for a use, so electric fences would not be able to be

00:50:11.419 --> 00:50:14.020

fences would not be able to be considered at all. OK, so you

00:50:14.022 --> 00:50:15.621

considered at all. OK, so you just won't find that on this

00:50:15.623 --> 00:50:16.956

just won't find that on this amendment. It has to be

00:50:16.958 --> 00:50:18.257

amendment. It has to be elsewhere. Is that correct?

00:50:18.259 --> 00:50:22.662

elsewhere. Is that correct? That's elsewhere. still 00:50:22.664 --> 00:50:27.233

That's elsewhere. still confusing, but thank you,

00:50:27.235 --> 00:50:31.904

confusing, but thank you, Commissioner Geba. Yeah A quick 00:50:31.906 --> 00:50:33.405

Commissioner Geba. Yeah A quick question on this one, I'm just,

00:50:33.407 --> 00:50:35.574

question on this one, I'm just, I was looking at this uh site

00:50:35.576 --> 00:50:41.181

I was looking at this uh site plan review. Excuse me. OK, 00:50:41.183 --> 00:50:44.017

plan review. Excuse me. OK, when I really push this. Last

00:50:44.019 --> 00:50:45.585

when I really push this. Last portion of the, uh, what you

00:50:45.587 --> 00:50:49.322

portion of the, uh, what you say, without this. takes an a

00:50:49.324 --> 00:50:52.258

say, without this. takes an a side plan changes will require 00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:55.561

side plan changes will require a formal site plan review. No.

00:50:55.563 --> 00:50:59.198

a formal site plan review. No. So There's an added The

00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:01.133

So There's an added The administrative site. plan 00:51:01.135 --> 00:51:07.207

administrative site. plan review What does that entails?

00:51:07.209 --> 00:51:08.675

review What does that entails? When you say administrative

00:51:08.677 --> 00:51:10.643

When you say administrative site. Chair Frazier, members of 00:51:10.645 --> 00:51:12.111

site. Chair Frazier, members of the planning commission, there

00:51:12.113 --> 00:51:14.046

the planning commission, there are two different types of

00:51:14.048 --> 00:51:15.481

are two different types of administrative site plan review.

00:51:15.483 --> 00:51:16.883

administrative site plan review. There is the administrative

00:51:16.885 --> 00:51:18.351

There is the administrative site plan review where it's a

00:51:18.353 --> 00:51:20.353

site plan review where it's a very simple addition, such as 00:51:20.355 --> 00:51:21.888

very simple addition, such as those entryways where the

00:51:21.890 --> 00:51:23.890

those entryways where the planning staff would do their

00:51:23.892 --> 00:51:25.558

planning staff would do their zoning review as a portion of

00:51:25.560 --> 00:51:28.895

zoning review as a portion of the building permit. We have

00:51:28.897 --> 00:51:30.563

the building permit. We have one where it is a little more 00:51:30.565 --> 00:51:33.299

one where it is a little more in depth where we would need to

00:51:33.301 --> 00:51:35.268

in depth where we would need to consult other departments such

00:51:35.270 --> 00:51:37.770

consult other departments such as fire or engineering, um,

00:51:37.772 --> 00:51:40.072

as fire or engineering, um, that looks very similar to the 00:51:40.074 --> 00:51:40.706

that looks very similar to the planning commission document

00:51:40.708 --> 00:51:42.475

planning commission document that you receive for your site

00:51:42.477 --> 00:51:44.010

that you receive for your site plan review, but they meet the

00:51:44.012 --> 00:51:45.878

plan review, but they meet the criteria for it to be

00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.513

criteria for it to be administrative, so staff puts

00:51:47.515 --> 00:51:50.750

administrative, so staff puts together a a full code analysis 00:51:50.752 --> 00:51:52.852

together a a full code analysis so that we can show that they

00:51:52.854 --> 00:51:55.254

so that we can show that they meet the code and then a memo

00:51:55.256 --> 00:51:56.522

meet the code and then a memo is sent to the applicant and we

00:51:56.524 --> 00:51:58.925

is sent to the applicant and we have, we Keep those

00:51:58.927 --> 00:52:00.193

have, we Keep those administrative site plan review 00:52:00.195 --> 00:52:03.329

administrative site plan review documents, um, as a, as if it

00:52:03.331 --> 00:52:05.198

documents, um, as a, as if it were a development case, but it

00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:06.666

were a development case, but it doesn't require the public

00:52:06.668 --> 00:52:07.333

doesn't require the public hearing and city council

00:52:07.335 --> 00:52:11.971

hearing and city council approval. OK, so, uh, just to 00:52:11.973 --> 00:52:15.274

approval. OK, so, uh, just to follow up on that, so to have

00:52:15.276 --> 00:52:18.578

follow up on that, so to have give me some clarity on it.

00:52:18.580 --> 00:52:23.115

give me some clarity on it. What is considered. My manor 00:52:23.117 --> 00:52:25.818

What is considered. My manor site plan. Expansion. What,

00:52:25.820 --> 00:52:28.420

site plan. Expansion. What, what, what in, in general is

00:52:28.422 --> 00:52:29.254

what, what in, in general is considered minor when you come

00:52:29.256 --> 00:52:32.625

considered minor when you come to a sight plane. How can you, 00:52:32.627 --> 00:52:34.060

to a sight plane. How can you, is it just, you can get, you

00:52:34.062 --> 00:52:36.729

is it just, you can get, you know, see and know what is

00:52:36.731 --> 00:52:41.300

know, see and know what is minor or what is major. So that 00:52:41.302 --> 00:52:42.534

minor or what is major. So that comes down to uh when the

00:52:42.536 --> 00:52:44.704

comes down to uh when the applicant comes in, we require

00:52:44.706 --> 00:52:46.238

applicant comes in, we require that their architect provide us

00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:48.007

that their architect provide us with those numbers. They

00:52:48.009 --> 00:52:49.909

with those numbers. They provide the, the square footage

00:52:49.911 --> 00:52:51.577

provide the, the square footage of the proposed edition. So 00:52:51.579 --> 00:52:52.845

of the proposed edition. So then staff takes a look and

00:52:52.847 --> 00:52:56.316

then staff takes a look and says, OK, that is 10% or less

00:52:56.318 --> 00:52:57.916

says, OK, that is 10% or less than the footprint of this

00:52:57.918 --> 00:53:00.152

than the footprint of this building. We can proceed with 00:53:00.154 --> 00:53:01.187

building. We can proceed with administrative site plan review

00:53:01.189 --> 00:53:05.491

administrative site plan review or, you know, no, this is a 11%,

00:53:05.493 --> 00:53:07.460

or, you know, no, this is a 11%, we are gonna need you to come

00:53:07.462 --> 00:53:08.460

we are gonna need you to come in for pre-application meeting.

00:53:08.462 --> 00:53:09.795

in for pre-application meeting. We're gonna in all of our

00:53:09.797 --> 00:53:10.930

We're gonna in all of our colleagues from the other 00:53:10.932 --> 00:53:11.798

colleagues from the other departments, and this is going

00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:13.199

departments, and this is going to move forward with the way

00:53:13.201 --> 00:53:14.601

to move forward with the way that the code prescribes with

00:53:14.603 --> 00:53:15.868

that the code prescribes with our formal site plan review,

00:53:15.870 --> 00:53:18.037

our formal site plan review, and then it will come to this

00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.172

and then it will come to this body and then ultimately go to 00:53:20.174 --> 00:53:22.842

body and then ultimately go to city council for approval. OK.

00:53:22.844 --> 00:53:25.211

city council for approval. OK. So in, in a sense, this might

00:53:25.213 --> 00:53:31.417

So in, in a sense, this might not include. Like even though 00:53:31.419 --> 00:53:35.921

not include. Like even though it's 10 not 10% of Uh, so if it

00:53:35.923 --> 00:53:38.524

it's 10 not 10% of Uh, so if it does not include Uh, what they

00:53:38.526 --> 00:53:42.261

does not include Uh, what they call it like. You know, moving 00:53:42.263 --> 00:53:43.429

call it like. You know, moving electrical lines or moving

00:53:43.431 --> 00:53:46.298

electrical lines or moving water lines. There are does

00:53:46.300 --> 00:53:48.367

water lines. There are does that have an effect on how it

00:53:48.369 --> 00:53:50.636

that have an effect on how it is determined. So there are 00:53:50.638 --> 00:53:52.571

is determined. So there are other factors where staff is

00:53:52.573 --> 00:53:56.442

other factors where staff is able to like if so say that the

00:53:56.444 --> 00:53:58.544

able to like if so say that the building is vacant currently.

00:53:58.546 --> 00:54:00.312

building is vacant currently. Uh, picture like an office 00:54:00.314 --> 00:54:03.015

Uh, picture like an office building and say that it is in.

00:54:03.017 --> 00:54:05.985

building and say that it is in. The say it's in a mixed use

00:54:05.987 --> 00:54:07.453

The say it's in a mixed use zoning district and the use

00:54:07.455 --> 00:54:10.256

zoning district and the use that wants to go in and occupy 00:54:10.258 --> 00:54:11.190

that wants to go in and occupy that building is a conditional

00:54:11.192 --> 00:54:14.860

that building is a conditional use. So like an apartment

00:54:14.862 --> 00:54:16.228

use. So like an apartment building or um maybe an

00:54:16.230 --> 00:54:17.163

building or um maybe an assisted living facility. It's,

00:54:17.165 --> 00:54:19.164

assisted living facility. It's, it's can. It's a conditional

00:54:19.166 --> 00:54:22.601

it's can. It's a conditional use permit. And so they need to 00:54:22.603 --> 00:54:23.969

use permit. And so they need to come in for additional

00:54:23.971 --> 00:54:25.671

come in for additional approvals, and they want to do

00:54:25.673 --> 00:54:27.072

approvals, and they want to do an audition at that point

00:54:27.074 --> 00:54:28.408

an audition at that point because a conditional use

00:54:28.410 --> 00:54:31.477

because a conditional use permit is. Added, even if that 00:54:31.479 --> 00:54:33.479

permit is. Added, even if that addition is less than the 10%,

00:54:33.481 --> 00:54:34.413

addition is less than the 10%, the way that the code is

00:54:34.415 --> 00:54:35.481

the way that the code is written, they would need to

00:54:35.483 --> 00:54:37.350

written, they would need to come in. And at that point,

00:54:37.352 --> 00:54:39.719

come in. And at that point, that is what makes sense for

00:54:39.721 --> 00:54:40.819

that is what makes sense for that administrative site plan 00:54:40.821 --> 00:54:42.621

that administrative site plan to turn into a formal site plan

00:54:42.623 --> 00:54:44.156

to turn into a formal site plan review. You know, the reason

00:54:44.158 --> 00:54:45.224

review. You know, the reason I'm asking this because I know

00:54:45.226 --> 00:54:47.493

I'm asking this because I know we're here one time we brought

00:54:47.495 --> 00:54:50.029

we're here one time we brought their own people adding little. 00:54:50.031 --> 00:54:52.031

their own people adding little. I, I partitioned to the

00:54:52.033 --> 00:54:53.833

I, I partitioned to the building for other people for

00:54:53.835 --> 00:54:54.900

building for other people for people to stay or like I think

00:54:54.902 --> 00:54:58.204

people to stay or like I think we, we did some push so that's

00:54:58.206 --> 00:54:59.638

we, we did some push so that's the reason I'm asking the

00:54:59.640 --> 00:55:01.640

the reason I'm asking the question because somebody who 00:55:01.642 --> 00:55:03.042

question because somebody who wanted to pull like outside

00:55:03.044 --> 00:55:04.544

wanted to pull like outside room so my auntie can stay here,

00:55:04.546 --> 00:55:06.846

room so my auntie can stay here, you know. But even though it's

00:55:06.848 --> 00:55:08.948

you know. But even though it's not a big, my house is big, I

00:55:08.950 --> 00:55:10.917

not a big, my house is big, I just wanted to put a little gun 00:55:10.919 --> 00:55:22.561

just wanted to put a little gun in there and so that's Where so 00:55:22.563 --> 00:55:25.231

in there and so that's Where so with that being a residential

00:55:25.233 --> 00:55:27.399

with that being a residential site plan review, if it weren't

00:55:27.401 --> 00:55:29.001

site plan review, if it weren't creating a new living like a

00:55:29.003 --> 00:55:32.371

creating a new living like a new dwelling unit. That would 00:55:32.373 --> 00:55:33.573

new dwelling unit. That would still remain an administrative

00:55:33.575 --> 00:55:35.308

still remain an administrative site plan review as part of the

00:55:35.310 --> 00:55:37.209

site plan review as part of the building permit. Um, I love to

00:55:37.211 --> 00:55:38.677

building permit. Um, I love to hear that you're excited to

00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:39.545

hear that you're excited to talk about ADUs though, cause

00:55:39.547 --> 00:55:41.480

talk about ADUs though, cause that is part of the work plan 00:55:41.482 --> 00:55:43.015

that is part of the work plan coming up, uh, we're very

00:55:43.017 --> 00:55:44.884

coming up, uh, we're very excited to talk to you about

00:55:44.886 --> 00:55:47.787

excited to talk to you about that, but that when we get to

00:55:47.789 --> 00:55:48.887

that, but that when we get to that, that would is a good

00:55:48.889 --> 00:55:51.157

that, that would is a good thing to keep in mind because 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.492

thing to keep in mind because we do have the rule where

00:55:53.494 --> 00:55:56.695

we do have the rule where residential. plans are

00:55:56.697 --> 00:55:57.296

residential. plans are administrative review. OK.

00:55:57.298 --> 00:55:59.999

administrative review. OK. Thank you, thank you. I just. 00:56:00.001 --> 00:56:02.501

Thank you, thank you. I just. One of those open up my mind.

00:56:02.503 --> 00:56:04.370

One of those open up my mind. All right, any other questions,

00:56:04.372 --> 00:56:11.377

All right, any other questions, comments on this one? One minor 00:56:11.379 --> 00:56:13.045

comments on this one? One minor maybe for the director. Will,

00:56:13.047 --> 00:56:16.281

maybe for the director. Will, will this, uh, side plan review

00:56:16.283 --> 00:56:20.553

will this, uh, side plan review change uh give. Either And new 00:56:20.555 --> 00:56:22.588

change uh give. Either And new power to, you know, stop

00:56:22.590 --> 00:56:24.757

power to, you know, stop decisions or maybe. You know,

00:56:24.759 --> 00:56:30.663

decisions or maybe. You know, what's pros and cons of this? 00:56:30.665 --> 00:56:31.998

what's pros and cons of this? Um, Cha Fraser, commission

00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:32.798

Um, Cha Fraser, commission members, this has been a good

00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.099

members, this has been a good conversation. I just want to

00:56:34.101 --> 00:56:35.000

conversation. I just want to reiterate something that Aaron

00:56:35.002 --> 00:56:35.668

reiterate something that Aaron mentioned that's in the staff

00:56:35.670 --> 00:56:37.536

mentioned that's in the staff report is that this is not new.

00:56:37.538 --> 00:56:39.405

report is that this is not new. This is something we

00:56:39.407 --> 00:56:40.839

This is something we inadvertently left out of the, 00:56:40.841 --> 00:56:42.308

inadvertently left out of the, of the new ordinance last

00:56:42.310 --> 00:56:44.143

of the new ordinance last summer. This is, this is

00:56:44.145 --> 00:56:45.210

summer. This is, this is literally a clerical error. Um,

00:56:45.212 --> 00:56:47.279

literally a clerical error. Um, so, you know, it's, it's a good

00:56:47.281 --> 00:56:48.214

so, you know, it's, it's a good discussion to have, um, but

00:56:48.216 --> 00:56:49.549

discussion to have, um, but this is the way it's been for a

00:56:49.551 --> 00:56:51.284

this is the way it's been for a really long time. Um, so we're 00:56:51.286 --> 00:56:53.452

really long time. Um, so we're not, we're not proposing

00:56:53.454 --> 00:56:54.453

not, we're not proposing anything that hasn't been, you

00:56:54.455 --> 00:56:56.822

anything that hasn't been, you know, this is the way it's been,

00:56:56.824 --> 00:56:57.890

know, this is the way it's been, um, so just wanted to clarify

00:56:57.892 --> 00:57:06.098

um, so just wanted to clarify that, yeah. OK. Anything else? 00:57:06.100 --> 00:57:09.167

that, yeah. OK. Anything else? All right, uh, so I'll, um,

00:57:09.169 --> 00:57:10.436

All right, uh, so I'll, um, entertain a motion for this 00:57:10.438 --> 00:57:22.715

entertain a motion for this item. Motion to recommend 00:57:22.717 --> 00:57:26.252

item. Motion to recommend approval of ordinance. Number

00:57:26.254 --> 00:57:33.459

approval of ordinance. Number 2025. Um You don't, you know 00:57:33.461 --> 00:57:35.261

2025. Um You don't, you know that amending chapter 152 of

00:57:35.263 --> 00:57:38.664

that amending chapter 152 of the Brooklyn Park Code. For

00:57:38.666 --> 00:57:40.799

the Brooklyn Park Code. For consistency with the Brooklyn 00:57:40.801 --> 00:57:43.602

consistency with the Brooklyn Park 2040 comprehensive plan.

00:57:43.604 --> 00:57:49.742

Park 2040 comprehensive plan. Second OK, motion has been made

00:57:49.744 --> 00:57:51.209

Second OK, motion has been made and seconded, um, all in favor, 00:57:51.211 --> 00:57:55.814

and seconded, um, all in favor, say aye. Any oppose? Motion

00:57:55.816 --> 00:58:04.156

say aye. Any oppose? Motion passes. To item 6 other 00:58:04.158 --> 00:58:09.228

passes. To item 6 other business, um. Any discussion

00:58:09.230 --> 00:58:11.630

business, um. Any discussion items, anything from uh Like 00:58:11.632 --> 00:58:13.365

items, anything from uh Like the commissioners would like to

00:58:13.367 --> 00:58:32.617

the commissioners would like to discuss today. council member, 00:58:32.619 --> 00:58:35.087

discuss today. council member, do you have any updates for us?

00:58:35.089 --> 00:58:37.222

do you have any updates for us? Thank you, Madam Chair. Excuse

00:58:37.224 --> 00:58:41.427

Thank you, Madam Chair. Excuse me, yes, um. At its regular 00:58:41.429 --> 00:58:43.829

me, yes, um. At its regular meeting on January 27th. The

00:58:43.831 --> 00:58:45.364

meeting on January 27th. The city council unanimously

00:58:45.366 --> 00:58:47.199

city council unanimously approved both applications from

00:58:47.201 --> 00:58:49.468

approved both applications from the January 8th planning

00:58:49.470 --> 00:58:53.005

the January 8th planning commission meeting. The plat 00:58:53.007 --> 00:58:54.406

commission meeting. The plat application at 8708 Greenhaven

00:58:54.408 --> 00:58:57.944

application at 8708 Greenhaven Drive North. Bless you. And the

00:58:57.946 --> 00:59:00.613

Drive North. Bless you. And the site plan review and variances 00:59:00.615 --> 00:59:01.280

site plan review and variances applications at 7th Day

00:59:01.282 --> 00:59:03.215

applications at 7th Day Adventist Church. And that's

00:59:03.217 --> 00:59:10.689

Adventist Church. And that's all. Thank you. Thank you. 00:59:10.691 --> 00:59:11.323

all. Thank you. Thank you. Anything from the planning

00:59:11.325 --> 00:59:16.895

Anything from the planning commission. So we did planning

00:59:16.897 --> 00:59:18.597

commission. So we did planning commissioners comments. Staffly

00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.134

commissioners comments. Staffly Hazel The Grand Chair, members 00:59:22.136 --> 00:59:23.803

Hazel The Grand Chair, members of the commission, I have just

00:59:23.805 --> 00:59:26.772

of the commission, I have just a few announcements, um, one,

00:59:26.774 --> 00:59:29.575

a few announcements, um, one, you'll recall that there was a

00:59:29.577 --> 00:59:30.709

you'll recall that there was a um kickoff public meeting for 00:59:30.711 --> 00:59:31.978

um kickoff public meeting for the Northwest Growth Area Plan

00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:33.579

the Northwest Growth Area Plan last month, January 22nd over

00:59:33.581 --> 00:59:37.450

last month, January 22nd over at the small business center,

00:59:37.452 --> 00:59:39.852

at the small business center, um, the survey, uh, from that

00:59:39.854 --> 00:59:42.654

um, the survey, uh, from that open house is still available 00:59:42.656 --> 00:59:44.256

open house is still available online and we're encouraging uh

00:59:44.258 --> 00:59:45.191

online and we're encouraging uh the broader Brooklyn Park

00:59:45.193 --> 00:59:46.225

the broader Brooklyn Park community and each and every

00:59:46.227 --> 00:59:48.727

community and each and every one of you is active

00:59:48.729 --> 00:59:49.996

one of you is active participants in the world of

00:59:49.998 --> 00:59:51.897

participants in the world of planning in Brooklyn Park to. 00:59:51.899 --> 00:59:55.300

planning in Brooklyn Park to. take that survey, um, you can

00:59:55.302 --> 00:59:57.302

take that survey, um, you can either just search for um

00:59:57.304 --> 00:59:59.772

either just search for um Northwest growth area plan or

00:59:59.774 --> 01:00:01.039

Northwest growth area plan or um we have on the table over 01:00:01.041 --> 01:00:04.276

um we have on the table over there. Um, handouts with a QR

01:00:04.278 --> 01:00:06.745

there. Um, handouts with a QR code that will bring you to the

01:00:06.747 --> 01:00:08.614

code that will bring you to the survey, so please do take the

01:00:08.616 --> 01:00:10.483

survey, so please do take the time to do that, uh, before the 01:00:10.485 --> 01:00:13.318

time to do that, uh, before the end of the month. Um, and

01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.353

end of the month. Um, and that's a, that leads me to my

01:00:15.355 --> 01:00:16.755

that's a, that leads me to my next announce announcement,

01:00:16.757 --> 01:00:19.225

next announce announcement, which is, um, on March 17th,

01:00:19.227 --> 01:00:20.292

which is, um, on March 17th, we'll be sending you this over 01:00:20.294 --> 01:00:22.528

we'll be sending you this over email and we'll send you a um a

01:00:22.530 --> 01:00:23.229

email and we'll send you a um a calendar invitation as well, so

01:00:23.231 --> 01:00:24.563

calendar invitation as well, so you have it on your calendar.

01:00:24.565 --> 01:00:28.233

you have it on your calendar. Uh but on March 17th, uh, at 6

01:00:28.235 --> 01:00:30.803

Uh but on March 17th, uh, at 6 p.m. there will be a joint 01:00:30.805 --> 01:00:33.272

p.m. there will be a joint meeting of the city council and

01:00:33.274 --> 01:00:35.540

meeting of the city council and the planning commission to, um,

01:00:35.542 --> 01:00:36.909

the planning commission to, um, learn the results of that

01:00:36.911 --> 01:00:40.245

learn the results of that survey, uh, about the Northwest 01:00:40.247 --> 01:00:42.114

survey, uh, about the Northwest growth area plan and discuss

01:00:42.116 --> 01:00:43.916

growth area plan and discuss some options for Um, how land

01:00:43.918 --> 01:00:46.886

some options for Um, how land uses could be laid out in that

01:00:46.888 --> 01:00:48.154

uses could be laid out in that Northwest area based on the

01:00:48.156 --> 01:00:50.622

Northwest area based on the feedback, um, that we're 01:00:50.624 --> 01:00:52.057

feedback, um, that we're gathering from the public, so.

01:00:52.059 --> 01:00:54.826

gathering from the public, so. Uh, hope you can all make that

01:00:54.828 --> 01:00:56.962

Uh, hope you can all make that meeting, um, those of you who

01:00:56.964 --> 01:00:58.897

meeting, um, those of you who are who were around when we

01:00:58.899 --> 01:01:00.833

are who were around when we were doing that 610 corridor 01:01:00.835 --> 01:01:02.801

were doing that 610 corridor development study that Aaron

01:01:02.803 --> 01:01:03.936

development study that Aaron was speaking about earlier, um,

01:01:03.938 --> 01:01:05.671

was speaking about earlier, um, I think you'll remember that we

01:01:05.673 --> 01:01:07.706

I think you'll remember that we had some very good dialogue

01:01:07.708 --> 01:01:09.542

had some very good dialogue between the city council and

01:01:09.544 --> 01:01:10.476

between the city council and the planning commission jointly 01:01:10.478 --> 01:01:12.010

the planning commission jointly in the same room on that topic,

01:01:12.012 --> 01:01:14.413

in the same room on that topic, and so we're looking forward to

01:01:14.415 --> 01:01:16.448

and so we're looking forward to doing a similar format, uh, for

01:01:16.450 --> 01:01:17.950

doing a similar format, uh, for the Northwest growth area plan.

01:01:17.952 --> 01:01:19.952

the Northwest growth area plan. Um, so look, look in your email

01:01:19.954 --> 01:01:23.589

Um, so look, look in your email for that. Um, and, um, another 01:01:23.591 --> 01:01:25.423

for that. Um, and, um, another calendar item that you will

01:01:25.425 --> 01:01:26.825

calendar item that you will also get an email and calendar

01:01:26.827 --> 01:01:30.028

also get an email and calendar invite for you on April 23rd. 01:01:30.030 --> 01:01:32.231

invite for you on April 23rd. Um, that would be the 4th.

01:01:32.233 --> 01:01:33.499

Um, that would be the 4th. Wednesday in April, this will

01:01:33.501 --> 01:01:36.102

Wednesday in April, this will take the place of the planning

01:01:36.104 --> 01:01:37.570

take the place of the planning commission work session that

01:01:37.572 --> 01:01:40.506

commission work session that month, April 23rd, there will 01:01:40.508 --> 01:01:43.575

month, April 23rd, there will be a development tour of um

01:01:43.577 --> 01:01:45.311

be a development tour of um both existing new, new

01:01:45.313 --> 01:01:46.779

both existing new, new developments in Brooklyn Park

01:01:46.781 --> 01:01:48.380

developments in Brooklyn Park as well as development

01:01:48.382 --> 01:01:50.649

as well as development opportunities, um, that will be 01:01:50.651 --> 01:01:51.683

opportunities, um, that will be another joint opportunity for

01:01:51.685 --> 01:01:53.252

another joint opportunity for both the city council and the

01:01:53.254 --> 01:01:54.086

both the city council and the planning commission. Uh, that

01:01:54.088 --> 01:01:55.187

planning commission. Uh, that will be at 5 o'clock. We'll

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will be at 5 o'clock. We'll meet at, we'll meet at City

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meet at, we'll meet at City Hall and get on a bus from

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Hall and get on a bus from there. So again, you'll get all

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there. So again, you'll get all these details in your email. Um, 01:02:02.096 --> 01:02:03.862

these details in your email. Um, OK, couple more announcements.

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OK, couple more announcements. Uh, finally, I do want to, um,

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Uh, finally, I do want to, um, welcome our newest staff member,

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welcome our newest staff member, Ozma Jihad, who was sitting in 01:02:11.038 --> 01:02:17.142

Ozma Jihad, who was sitting in the back way. Uh, Ozma is our

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the back way. Uh, Ozma is our new program assistant, uh, uh,

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new program assistant, uh, uh, she's in the role that Matt was 01:02:21.482 --> 01:02:23.482

she's in the role that Matt was in um previously before Matt

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in um previously before Matt became associate planner. uh,

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became associate planner. uh, so we're really excited to have

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so we're really excited to have Ozma on board. She's been with

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Ozma on board. She's been with us since January 13th, um,

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us since January 13th, um, prior to that, Ozma was working 01:02:31.892 --> 01:02:34.359

prior to that, Ozma was working as an intern in the community

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as an intern in the community development department since

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development department since last spring, uh, OSMA is

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last spring, uh, OSMA is finishing up her master's

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finishing up her master's degree at the University of 01:02:40.968 --> 01:02:42.234

degree at the University of Minnesota in urban and regional

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Minnesota in urban and regional planning. We'll be done with

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planning. We'll be done with that this spring, uh, and.

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that this spring, uh, and. importantly, is a native of

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importantly, is a native of Brooklyn Park residents. Nice

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Brooklyn Park residents. Nice bonus. Uh, and the final 01:02:53.581 --> 01:02:55.047

bonus. Uh, and the final announcement is, uh, just

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announcement is, uh, just logistics for the for the work

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logistics for the for the work session that we're about to

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session that we're about to adjourn to, um, it was

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adjourn to, um, it was advertised as being an A203, we 01:03:00.721 --> 01:03:02.621

advertised as being an A203, we will be actually down the hall

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will be actually down the hall in a 206. There's a charter

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in a 206. There's a charter committee meeting happening in

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committee meeting happening in that other room, so we'll see

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that other room, so we'll see you up there. You All right. So 01:03:14.201 --> 01:03:15.000

you up there. You All right. So anything else before we adjourn?

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anything else before we adjourn? Right here and here nothing, so 01:03:20.141 --> 01:03:25.644

Right here and here nothing, so made an adjourn for the night.