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Uh, I'll call this meeting to order. Uh, let's start with, uh, 00:00:12.601 --> 00:00:13.867

order. Uh, let's start with, uh, first item of business, uh,

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first item of business, uh, roll call. Chair Kevin,

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roll call. Chair Kevin, President. Commissioner Wacko 00:00:23.479 --> 00:00:28.148

President. Commissioner Wacko present. Commissioner Barr.

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present. Commissioner Barr. Commissioner Coroso. 00:00:32.154 --> 00:00:34.321

Commissioner Coroso. Commissioner Freer.

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Commissioner Freer. Commissioner Araja. 00:00:40.096 --> 00:00:42.562

Commissioner Araja. Commissioner Odama.

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Commissioner Odama. Commissioner get by. it

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Commissioner get by. it Commissioner Turner. council

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Commissioner Turner. council member McGarvey. Prison. You 00:00:53.542 --> 00:00:55.242

member McGarvey. Prison. You have a car, awesome. All right,

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have a car, awesome. All right, let's, uh, stand for the Pledge

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let's, uh, stand for the Pledge of allegiance. I pledge 00:01:03.018 --> 00:01:04.918

of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to

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United States of America and to the republic for which it

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the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, 00:01:10.792 --> 00:01:12.593

stands, one nation, under God, in the business with liberty

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in the business with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. 00:01:22.138 --> 00:01:24.271

and justice for all. Thank you. Um, please be advised that the

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Um, please be advised that the public hearings are recorded

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public hearings are recorded and televised live on cable

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and televised live on cable television and we upstream over

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television and we upstream over the internet at Brooklynark.org. 00:01:30.545 --> 00:01:33.880

the internet at Brooklynark.org. The audio system will not pick

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The audio system will not pick up comments from the seating

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up comments from the seating area. If you want to be heard

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area. If you want to be heard and made part of the public

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and made part of the public record, please go to the podium.

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record, please go to the podium. Or if participating remotely, 00:01:43.292 --> 00:01:45.225

Or if participating remotely, turn on your camera, speak into

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turn on your camera, speak into the microphone stating your

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the microphone stating your full name and address. Please

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full name and address. Please sign the public hearing. 00:01:51.100 --> 00:01:53.033

sign the public hearing. Logbook on the table near the

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Logbook on the table near the entrance to the council

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entrance to the council chambers. If you are attending,

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chambers. If you are attending, uh, in person to ensure

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uh, in person to ensure accuracy of name and address in 00:02:00.642 --> 00:02:02.943

accuracy of name and address in the public record. Please note

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the public record. Please note that the agenda for tonight's

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that the agenda for tonight's meeting indicates that the

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meeting indicates that the commission chair has the

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commission chair has the prerogative to invoke a time

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prerogative to invoke a time limit for speakers during any 00:02:10.852 --> 00:02:12.586

limit for speakers during any public hearing in the interest

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public hearing in the interest of maintaining focus and

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of maintaining focus and effective use of time. Thank

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effective use of time. Thank you in advance for your

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you in advance for your cooperation. The planning 00:02:20.196 --> 00:02:21.728

cooperation. The planning commission consists of 11

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commission consists of 11 resident volunteer members. Two

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resident volunteer members. Two of which are young adult

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of which are young adult members appointed by the city

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members appointed by the city council to advise the city

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council to advise the city council on planning and land

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council on planning and land use issues. The Commission 00:02:34.142 --> 00:02:35.342

use issues. The Commission discusses and evaluates

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discusses and evaluates development proposals based on

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development proposals based on zoning regulations and

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zoning regulations and comprehensive plan policies. 00:02:40.483 --> 00:02:42.849

comprehensive plan policies. The planning commission vote is

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The planning commission vote is a recommendation that is

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a recommendation that is forwarded to the city council

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forwarded to the city council for official and final action.

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for official and final action. All right, we'll move to the 00:02:52.294 --> 00:02:54.828

All right, we'll move to the next agenda item 3.0, approval

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next agenda item 3.0, approval of the agenda, um. Are there

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of the agenda, um. Are there any additions or changes to the

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any additions or changes to the agenda. in any, uh, can I get a 00:03:07.710 --> 00:03:09.175

agenda. in any, uh, can I get a motion to approve the agenda

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motion to approve the agenda and make a motion to. of the 00:03:10.912 --> 00:03:15.315

and make a motion to. of the agenda. Second, I like, right,

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agenda. Second, I like, right, the motion has been made. It

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the motion has been made. It has been 2nd, um, any further

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has been 2nd, um, any further discussions? Let's quote all in 00:03:23.926 --> 00:03:27.193

discussions? Let's quote all in favor. Say aye, aye. Any polls

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favor. Say aye, aye. Any polls All right. Motion carries. Next 00:03:31.733 --> 00:03:34.067

All right. Motion carries. Next agenda item is the consent

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agenda item is the consent agenda, uh, Are there any uh

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agenda, uh, Are there any uh changes to the consent agenda. 00:03:42.377 --> 00:03:45.244

changes to the consent agenda. Not seeing any uh Can I get a

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Not seeing any uh Can I get a motion for approval of the

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motion for approval of the consent agenda. All right, it's 00:03:52.154 --> 00:03:54.287

consent agenda. All right, it's been moved, uh, second. All

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been moved, uh, second. All right, motion has been made. It

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right, motion has been made. It has been 2nd, um. Any

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has been 2nd, um. Any discussion? That's in any, uh, 00:04:02.565 --> 00:04:04.764

discussion? That's in any, uh, all in favor, say aye, aye. And

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all in favor, say aye, aye. And pose? All right, uh, motion

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pose? All right, uh, motion carries, we'll move to the next 00:04:12.041 --> 00:04:13.707

carries, we'll move to the next agenda item, which is item. 4.1.

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agenda item, which is item. 4.1. 5.1. Good evening, Chair Haven 00:04:20.048 --> 00:04:21.181

5.1. Good evening, Chair Haven and members of the planning

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and members of the planning commission. For the record,

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commission. For the record, Aaron McDermott, senior planner

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Aaron McDermott, senior planner with the planning division,

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with the planning division, presenting preliminary plaque 00:04:30.325 --> 00:04:31.258

presenting preliminary plaque case number 2412048708

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case number 2412048708 Greenhaven Drive, subdividing

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Greenhaven Drive, subdividing the parcel address to 8708

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the parcel address to 8708 Greenhaven Drive. The site is

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Greenhaven Drive. The site is located on the west side of the

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located on the west side of the city, south of Oso and west of

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city, south of Oso and west of Bono Boulevard. The applicant 00:04:41.470 --> 00:04:43.536

Bono Boulevard. The applicant is requesting approval of a

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is requesting approval of a preliminary subdividing a

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preliminary subdividing a single-family residential lot

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single-family residential lot into 3 single-family

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into 3 single-family residential lots. The subject 00:04:50.312 --> 00:04:52.746

residential lots. The subject property of 8708 Greenhaven

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property of 8708 Greenhaven Drive is 1.18 acres and abutts

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Drive is 1.18 acres and abutts residential properties on all

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residential properties on all sides. The property is adjacent

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sides. The property is adjacent to 2 residential streets, which 00:05:01.089 --> 00:05:02.155

to 2 residential streets, which are Greenhaven Drive to the

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are Greenhaven Drive to the south and Mount Curve Boulevard

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south and Mount Curve Boulevard to the east. The site is zoned

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to the east. The site is zoned R1, detached single-family

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R1, detached single-family estate district, as are all of 00:05:11.300 --> 00:05:13.700

estate district, as are all of the adjacent properties across

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the adjacent properties across from Bono Boulevard is B2

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from Bono Boulevard is B2 General Business, and there is

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General Business, and there is a park to the south. Shown here 00:05:21.643 --> 00:05:23.510

a park to the south. Shown here is the existing Woodhill Ward

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is the existing Woodhill Ward Hill Edition, subject property

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Hill Edition, subject property is shown here as lot 6, block 1.

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is shown here as lot 6, block 1. The landowner who applied for

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The landowner who applied for the Ward Hill edition in 1983, 00:05:32.153 --> 00:05:33.053

the Ward Hill edition in 1983, maintained the ownership of

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maintained the ownership of this lot, this house predates

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this lot, this house predates the existing subdivision. Which

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the existing subdivision. Which is why this property is larger 00:05:40.796 --> 00:05:43.463

is why this property is larger in size and has a abnormal

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in size and has a abnormal shape compared to the other

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shape compared to the other lots. The preliminary plant as

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lots. The preliminary plant as propose is shown here, and it 00:05:50.004 --> 00:05:53.673

propose is shown here, and it shows. Um, that all of the

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shows. Um, that all of the properties that are engaged in

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properties that are engaged in the subdivision, uh, meet all

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the subdivision, uh, meet all of the minimum standards

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of the minimum standards required by the zoning

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required by the zoning ordinance with setbacks marked 00:06:01.016 --> 00:06:01.881

ordinance with setbacks marked by the Bill 2 line on the latte.

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by the Bill 2 line on the latte. There is a driveway shown that

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There is a driveway shown that crosses all three lots that is

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crosses all three lots that is required to be removed at the

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required to be removed at the time of final pla or like with 00:06:10.559 --> 00:06:12.693

time of final pla or like with the filing of the final plot

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the filing of the final plot before construction, um,

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before construction, um, because the city cannot permit

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because the city cannot permit the creation of a nonconformity.

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the creation of a nonconformity. The residential structure and 00:06:20.235 --> 00:06:21.635

The residential structure and detach accessory structure meet

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detach accessory structure meet all setback requirements on lot

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all setback requirements on lot one. Um, and lot 2 and 3 meet

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one. Um, and lot 2 and 3 meet all size requirements. Staff

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all size requirements. Staff recommends the approval of this 00:06:30.145 --> 00:06:30.710

recommends the approval of this preliminary plot with

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preliminary plot with conditions as listed in the

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conditions as listed in the draft resolution. Um, staff was

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draft resolution. Um, staff was made aware earlier today that

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made aware earlier today that there was a conversation with

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there was a conversation with property owners in this

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property owners in this neighborhood with our

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neighborhood with our neighborhood health specialist 00:06:40.388 --> 00:06:42.021

neighborhood health specialist Brittany Dunn. I understand

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Brittany Dunn. I understand that there may be concerns that

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that there may be concerns that residents may wish to discuss

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residents may wish to discuss tonight, but as this public

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tonight, but as this public hearing is solely for the

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hearing is solely for the discussion of this subdivision.

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discussion of this subdivision. I would like to invite 00:06:50.265 --> 00:06:51.665

I would like to invite residents with other topics to

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residents with other topics to discuss to please sign up for a

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discuss to please sign up for a neighborhood meeting. Um,

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neighborhood meeting. Um, there's a sign up sheet on the

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there's a sign up sheet on the table by the doors. Um We will

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table by the doors. Um We will set up a meeting with more 00:07:01.943 --> 00:07:02.743

set up a meeting with more accommodating setting to

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accommodating setting to discuss all of these concerns

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discuss all of these concerns with our neighborhood health

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with our neighborhood health team. Um, and these are the

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team. Um, and these are the sign up is next to the 00:07:10.452 --> 00:07:11.618

sign up is next to the Northwest Growth Area Plan open

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Northwest Growth Area Plan open house. Again, this open or this

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house. Again, this open or this public hearing is solely for

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public hearing is solely for the subdivision of 8708

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the subdivision of 8708 Greenhaven Drive. Thank you. 00:07:22.364 --> 00:07:25.832

Greenhaven Drive. Thank you. Thank you. Um, We will open

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Thank you. Um, We will open this up for, uh, the, uh,

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this up for, uh, the, uh, public to speak to the item. 00:07:30.538 --> 00:07:32.172

public to speak to the item. Anyone from the public like to

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Anyone from the public like to address? Planning commission,

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address? Planning commission, please go to the podium, state

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please go to the podium, state your name and address. Uh, good 00:07:57.599 --> 00:07:59.466

your name and address. Uh, good evening. My name is Nicole

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evening. My name is Nicole Jones. I live on um Greenhaven 00:08:03.805 --> 00:08:07.807

Jones. I live on um Greenhaven Drive and um We, I just learned

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Drive and um We, I just learned about this. plan to divide. Um, 00:08:13.949 --> 00:08:17.550

about this. plan to divide. Um, this plot into 3. And I don't

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this plot into 3. And I don't know if we get to vote on that

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know if we get to vote on that or not, but I don't agree with 00:08:21.223 --> 00:08:22.822

or not, but I don't agree with it. I don't think it just, it

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it. I don't think it just, it just came out of the blue, um,

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just came out of the blue, um, The area surrounding the

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The area surrounding the neighborhood um is changing, uh, 00:08:30.833 --> 00:08:32.665

neighborhood um is changing, uh, with no thought or connection

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with no thought or connection to wildlife and green space. I

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to wildlife and green space. I moved here for the green space

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moved here for the green space within the city. Um, as

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within the city. Um, as developers gobble up green 00:08:40.843 --> 00:08:43.576

developers gobble up green spaces, we are forced to live

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spaces, we are forced to live in urban areas that once were

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in urban areas that once were filled with beauty. Um The

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filled with beauty. Um The person that is applying for to 00:08:51.119 --> 00:08:54.254

person that is applying for to break it up into 3 plots bought

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break it up into 3 plots bought a 100 year old house with green

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a 100 year old house with green space. That is probably Way 00:09:00.262 --> 00:09:03.863

space. That is probably Way older. Then, before the house

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older. Then, before the house was even built, that place was

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was even built, that place was there. Um Removing and chopping

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there. Um Removing and chopping away at the space to put 3 00:09:11.339 --> 00:09:12.939

away at the space to put 3 plots on it will encroach upon

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plots on it will encroach upon the neighbors. Destroy the

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the neighbors. Destroy the habitat and change. The makeup

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habitat and change. The makeup of the neighborhood. Greenhaven 00:09:21.483 --> 00:09:22.682

of the neighborhood. Greenhaven is a sanctuary from the hustle

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is a sanctuary from the hustle and bustle of the city. Most

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and bustle of the city. Most people don't even know that

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people don't even know that it's there. When you come into

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it's there. When you come into our neighborhood, it's quiet, 00:09:30.158 --> 00:09:31.925

our neighborhood, it's quiet, it's beautiful. We have

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it's beautiful. We have wildlife that once you start

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wildlife that once you start tearing it up, We lose all that.

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tearing it up, We lose all that. I don't know why somebody would 00:09:42.370 --> 00:09:44.570

I don't know why somebody would want to move here. To our

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want to move here. To our neighborhood. To break it up.

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neighborhood. To break it up. And destroy all that. It's very 00:09:52.513 --> 00:09:57.784

And destroy all that. It's very emotional. It's not just A

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emotional. It's not just A bunch of people living Harry

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bunch of people living Harry Carey. We're just we're. We 00:10:02.057 --> 00:10:06.393

Carey. We're just we're. We want to maintain That Um, I

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want to maintain That Um, I consider this to be urban

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consider this to be urban sprawl coming into our 00:10:10.231 --> 00:10:11.331

sprawl coming into our neighborhood, um, and once the

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neighborhood, um, and once the damage is done, there's no

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damage is done, there's no return to that quiet. that

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return to that quiet. that beauty and a space for the

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beauty and a space for the animals, for us to step outside 00:10:20.541 --> 00:10:22.141

animals, for us to step outside that door and be in the middle

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that door and be in the middle of the wildlife, the turkeys,

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of the wildlife, the turkeys, the The woodpeckers, the Even

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the The woodpeckers, the Even the coyote and we'll lose that.

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the coyote and we'll lose that. We have enough of that with 81 00:10:30.819 --> 00:10:32.752

We have enough of that with 81 is being gobbled up. As we

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is being gobbled up. As we speak, we see it all the trees

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speak, we see it all the trees and all that being taken away.

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and all that being taken away. So. I hope there's a chance. 00:10:41.062 --> 00:10:42.495

So. I hope there's a chance. That this isn't already decided

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That this isn't already decided to allow this to happen because

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to allow this to happen because it's not just one person.

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it's not just one person. Living there. It's a whole

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Living there. It's a whole community, and it's important 00:10:50.639 --> 00:11:02.983

community, and it's important to us. That's all I have. All 00:11:02.985 --> 00:11:03.983

to us. That's all I have. All right. Anyone else, uh, would

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right. Anyone else, uh, would like to speak to this, Adam? 00:11:16.598 --> 00:11:17.997

like to speak to this, Adam? Hello, my name is Tasha Paika,

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Hello, my name is Tasha Paika, and I also live on Green Haven 00:11:20.402 --> 00:11:22.068

and I also live on Green Haven Drive, um, I've had the

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Drive, um, I've had the opportunity to live there for

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opportunity to live there for about 8 years now, and as

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about 8 years now, and as Nicole did say, it is a little 00:11:30.078 --> 00:11:31.344

Nicole did say, it is a little sanctuary in the urban area

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sanctuary in the urban area that we now live in. Uh, it's

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that we now live in. Uh, it's like coming home and not just

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like coming home and not just our house, but the area. Our 00:11:40.155 --> 00:11:41.754

our house, but the area. Our neighbors are very close, um,

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neighbors are very close, um, we consider each other family.

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we consider each other family. We are there for each other by

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We are there for each other by dividing up this neighborhood

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dividing up this neighborhood and this plot just brings in 00:11:52.167 --> 00:11:55.167

and this plot just brings in more and more. Development that

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more and more. Development that doesn't need to be done in this

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doesn't need to be done in this area. Unfortunately, Greenhaven 00:12:01.142 --> 00:12:04.077

area. Unfortunately, Greenhaven Drive is considered now a main

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Drive is considered now a main thoroughfare because it

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thoroughfare because it connects Brooklyn Boulevard and

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connects Brooklyn Boulevard and '81. And unfortunately, nobody 00:12:10.786 --> 00:12:13.386

'81. And unfortunately, nobody has ever seem to do anything

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has ever seem to do anything about this becoming a main

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about this becoming a main thoroughfare. Adding more

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thoroughfare. Adding more houses and more development to

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houses and more development to this neighborhood is only going 00:12:21.963 --> 00:12:23.997

this neighborhood is only going to increase the traffic and we

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to increase the traffic and we have children who are wanting

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have children who are wanting to walk. They are wanting to

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to walk. They are wanting to ride their bikes by splitting 00:12:30.806 --> 00:12:33.539

ride their bikes by splitting this up, it's only going to

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this up, it's only going to increase the likelihood of

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increase the likelihood of injury, not to mention the the 00:12:40.081 --> 00:12:44.684

injury, not to mention the the quietness that we have there.

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quietness that we have there. 8609 Greenhaven Drive. is

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8609 Greenhaven Drive. is slated for residential. However,

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slated for residential. However, there is a business running out 00:12:50.492 --> 00:12:54.360

there is a business running out of there. We have so much

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of there. We have so much traffic because of that one

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traffic because of that one business in a residential area

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business in a residential area that I'm afraid that once we 00:13:00.935 --> 00:13:02.368

that I'm afraid that once we start dividing this up, these

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start dividing this up, these other plats, we're just gonna

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other plats, we're just gonna add more traffic. It's already

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add more traffic. It's already difficult with so many people

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difficult with so many people parking on the street. If we 00:13:12.113 --> 00:13:14.113

parking on the street. If we start adding more, that just

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start adding more, that just increases the danger to our

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increases the danger to our children, to our pets, to our

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children, to our pets, to our family. I beg of you to please 00:13:22.323 --> 00:13:25.525

family. I beg of you to please reconsider this. It is not in

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reconsider this. It is not in the best interest of our

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the best interest of our neighborhood, and I want you to

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neighborhood, and I want you to please try to keep the best 00:13:31.866 --> 00:13:33.332

please try to keep the best interest of the neighborhood

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interest of the neighborhood and of the community in mind. 00:13:46.714 --> 00:13:48.615

and of the community in mind. Anyone else from the public to

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Anyone else from the public to speak. Hi, my name's Tom 00:14:07.568 --> 00:14:10.836

speak. Hi, my name's Tom Campbell, uh, I live on Mount 00:14:10.838 --> 00:14:11.571

Campbell, uh, I live on Mount Kerr 8149 Mount Curve Boulevard.

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Kerr 8149 Mount Curve Boulevard. My wife and I have lived there

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My wife and I have lived there since 1972. It was gravel. Uh, 00:14:20.014 --> 00:14:21.447

since 1972. It was gravel. Uh, a lot of the lots were, were

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a lot of the lots were, were empty. Once they put in the

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empty. Once they put in the tire and the, and the

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tire and the, and the improvements they couldn't have

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improvements they couldn't have people couldn't afford to own

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people couldn't afford to own those lots anymore and pay 00:14:30.191 --> 00:14:31.590

those lots anymore and pay taxes on them, so they all got

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taxes on them, so they all got built. But this, that was done.

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built. But this, that was done. That was supposed to be the the

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That was supposed to be the the end of the build. All the lots

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end of the build. All the lots that are there now are supposed 00:14:40.534 --> 00:14:45.471

that are there now are supposed to be as they are. And Nicole

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to be as they are. And Nicole said it perfectly. It's our

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said it perfectly. It's our quiet little neighborhood. And 00:14:50.878 --> 00:14:55.414

quiet little neighborhood. And uh Now you're chopping up the,

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uh Now you're chopping up the, the pieces that weren't

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the pieces that weren't supposed to be chopped. They're

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supposed to be chopped. They're all supposed to be 100 ft in 00:15:00.622 --> 00:15:02.622

all supposed to be 100 ft in the front, big lots. That's how

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the front, big lots. That's how it's all supposed to be. So I

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it's all supposed to be. So I hope you don't do this. Anyone 00:15:19.107 --> 00:15:26.713

hope you don't do this. Anyone else? All right, uh, we will 00:15:26.715 --> 00:15:28.514

else? All right, uh, we will close the public portion of uh

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close the public portion of uh this, oh, I'm sorry, just. Uh, 00:15:39.427 --> 00:15:41.761

this, oh, I'm sorry, just. Uh, my name is John Ward. Uh, I 00:15:41.763 --> 00:15:44.697

my name is John Ward. Uh, I live on Mount Curve Boulevard.

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live on Mount Curve Boulevard. And um I guess more

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And um I guess more specifically, grew up in the

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specifically, grew up in the house that uh is being 00:15:50.438 --> 00:15:52.271

house that uh is being discussed here and on those

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discussed here and on those lots, um. That was my family's

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lots, um. That was my family's um, Childhood home and uh. And, 00:16:01.749 --> 00:16:03.148

um, Childhood home and uh. And, uh, and about a year or so ago,

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uh, and about a year or so ago, um. The person who owns it now

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um. The person who owns it now bought it. And in any case,

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bought it. And in any case, circumstances being what they

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circumstances being what they are in their own life. She made 00:16:11.826 --> 00:16:13.759

are in their own life. She made a decision to do what's on the

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a decision to do what's on the board here and that is to cut

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board here and that is to cut this uh property into 3 lots.

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this uh property into 3 lots. And I'm, I, I appreciate the 00:16:22.437 --> 00:16:23.969

And I'm, I, I appreciate the passion and um and, and agree

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passion and um and, and agree with a lot of what's been said

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with a lot of what's been said here tonight about the

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here tonight about the neighborhood. It's a great

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neighborhood. It's a great neighborhood. I've lived there. 00:16:32.247 --> 00:16:36.315

neighborhood. I've lived there. Most of my life, um, And, and

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Most of my life, um, And, and they also agree that it's not

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they also agree that it's not for this meeting, but there are

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for this meeting, but there are other things, other issues that

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other things, other issues that we do need to deal with as a 00:16:41.722 --> 00:16:43.188

we do need to deal with as a neighborhood, and I think we

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neighborhood, and I think we are going to, we're going to

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are going to, we're going to deal with some security and

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deal with some security and risk assessment at a meeting on 00:16:50.365 --> 00:16:51.831

risk assessment at a meeting on the 23rd that everybody here

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the 23rd that everybody here from Greenhaven got that uh

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from Greenhaven got that uh invitation from the city, the

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invitation from the city, the police department. So we'll

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police department. So we'll start there and then if there

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start there and then if there are other environmental issues,

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are other environmental issues, as you said, I think we'll 00:17:01.542 --> 00:17:02.942

as you said, I think we'll address those as well, by

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address those as well, by getting this uh neighborhood

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getting this uh neighborhood active as you can see this. of

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active as you can see this. of planning, uh, commission

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planning, uh, commission meeting, which is a consent

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meeting, which is a consent decree, usually these things 00:17:10.218 --> 00:17:11.417

decree, usually these things are pretty much rubber stamps.

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are pretty much rubber stamps. You've got a lot of people from

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You've got a lot of people from the neighborhood here, and I'm

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the neighborhood here, and I'm very happy to see that and so

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very happy to see that and so you as a city and a planning

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you as a city and a planning commission understand when

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commission understand when you're talking about Greenhaven, 00:17:20.928 --> 00:17:22.828

you're talking about Greenhaven, you are talking about a unit of

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you are talking about a unit of people who can get organized

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people who can get organized and will get organized.

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and will get organized. Regarding the what's happening

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Regarding the what's happening with the Watts, um, I suppose 00:17:30.304 --> 00:17:32.171

with the Watts, um, I suppose nobody more than myself and my,

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nobody more than myself and my, my sister Peg is here today too.

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my sister Peg is here today too. She also lives in the

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She also lives in the neighborhood. We purchased lots

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neighborhood. We purchased lots from our parents and put houses

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from our parents and put houses in there. That's how we came to 00:17:40.281 --> 00:17:42.315

in there. That's how we came to be there, and I have a nephew

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be there, and I have a nephew also in, in, in this uh Ward

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also in, in, in this uh Ward Hill edition, now. And um I, I

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Hill edition, now. And um I, I don't think there's a lot that 00:17:50.425 --> 00:17:53.392

don't think there's a lot that can be done about it, honestly,

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can be done about it, honestly, uh, I, I mean about stopping uh

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uh, I, I mean about stopping uh the current owner's plans and,

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the current owner's plans and, uh, moreover, I, I just, I, I 00:18:01.202 --> 00:18:03.002

uh, moreover, I, I just, I, I need to disclose, I guess that

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need to disclose, I guess that we're interested in we being my

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we're interested in we being my wife Teresa. Down here and uh

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wife Teresa. Down here and uh and myself and buying these

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and myself and buying these lots. And uh That's, that's 00:18:13.347 --> 00:18:14.680

lots. And uh That's, that's currently on the table as far

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currently on the table as far as we're concerned, if it all

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as we're concerned, if it all goes forward as planned. We

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goes forward as planned. We will own those lots. So it 00:18:21.623 --> 00:18:23.289

will own those lots. So it depends on where this all ends

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depends on where this all ends up and we won't be. putting any

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up and we won't be. putting any houses on there. I can

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houses on there. I can guarantee you that. So for what 00:18:32.099 --> 00:18:33.232

guarantee you that. So for what that's worth, that's

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that's worth, that's information that, you know, I,

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information that, you know, I, we've been talking to my

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we've been talking to my realtors here as well, uh, uh, 00:18:40.575 --> 00:18:42.975

realtors here as well, uh, uh, and we've been, uh, uh, Ryan

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and we've been, uh, uh, Ryan Quinn, we've been dealing with

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Quinn, we've been dealing with his, uh, with their realtor as

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his, uh, with their realtor as well, um. And so it's, it's

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well, um. And so it's, it's unfolding as it goes, but I 00:18:51.018 --> 00:18:53.052

unfolding as it goes, but I mean, I haven't told really

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mean, I haven't told really anybody before tonight that

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anybody before tonight that that was our plan. It was just

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that was our plan. It was just that was what we wanted to try

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that was what we wanted to try and do and that's what we're

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and do and that's what we're gonna continue to try and do so 00:19:00.862 --> 00:19:01.727

gonna continue to try and do so for whatever that's worth for

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for whatever that's worth for all of you that are here, um,

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all of you that are here, um, that's, that's. Hopefully how

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that's, that's. Hopefully how the future may go. Uh, so

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the future may go. Uh, so that's, that's really it and 00:19:10.939 --> 00:19:13.739

that's, that's really it and our plan is to own the lots and

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our plan is to own the lots and Close the driveway and Leave it

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Close the driveway and Leave it green. Thank you. All right, uh, 00:19:25.753 --> 00:19:31.490

green. Thank you. All right, uh, anyone else? All right, we'll 00:19:31.492 --> 00:19:33.826

anyone else? All right, we'll close the, uh, public portion

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close the, uh, public portion and bring it back to uh the

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and bring it back to uh the commissioner's, uh, any, uh,

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commissioner's, uh, any, uh, commissioner, uh. s um m it s 00:19:50.445 --> 00:19:51.577

commissioner, uh. s um m it s So the current house that's

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So the current house that's there. has access, I'm

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there. has access, I'm clarifying has access to all of

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clarifying has access to all of the, um, via that driveway to

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the, um, via that driveway to all of that space. That's 00:20:02.189 --> 00:20:03.923

all of that space. That's correct. And that is a home.

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correct. And that is a home. That's correct. Private home.

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That's correct. Private home. Yes. OK. Commissioner, 00:20:17.405 --> 00:20:21.139

Yes. OK. Commissioner, Commissioner Turner. Next and 00:20:21.141 --> 00:20:24.010

Commissioner Turner. Next and then you. I'm just looking for

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then you. I'm just looking for some clarity. Um What exactly,

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some clarity. Um What exactly, uh, first of all, thank you. 00:20:33.053 --> 00:20:34.887

uh, first of all, thank you. Thank you all for showing up

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Thank you all for showing up tonight, um, but I'm just a

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tonight, um, but I'm just a little confused as far as The 00:20:40.428 --> 00:20:41.693

little confused as far as The current owner purchased it a

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current owner purchased it a year ago. What was the intent?

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year ago. What was the intent? Is the owner here tonight? What

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Is the owner here tonight? What was the intent when they

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was the intent when they purchased it, because they knew 00:20:50.771 --> 00:20:52.638

purchased it, because they knew the space was there. Was the

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the space was there. Was the intent Was that the intent all

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intent Was that the intent all along? I'm just confused

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along? I'm just confused council member Turner, uh, that

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council member Turner, uh, that was not the intent. I have 00:21:00.448 --> 00:21:01.513

was not the intent. I have spoken at great lengths with

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spoken at great lengths with the property owner and I'm not

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the property owner and I'm not at liberty to discuss the

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at liberty to discuss the personal situation that

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personal situation that resulted in this, however,

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resulted in this, however, there was personal situations 00:21:11.125 --> 00:21:13.058

there was personal situations that she wished to maintain

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that she wished to maintain residence in the home and

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residence in the home and needed to find a way to make

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needed to find a way to make that happen. That that was not

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that happen. That that was not her intent when purchasing this 00:21:20.068 --> 00:21:25.404

her intent when purchasing this lot. Mr. Chair, would you mind

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lot. Mr. Chair, would you mind if I added to that, um, go

00:21:27.742 --> 00:21:32.478

if I added to that, um, go ahead. Chair came in and, um, 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:33.679

ahead. Chair came in and, um, Commissioner Turner, members of

00:21:33.681 --> 00:21:35.147

Commissioner Turner, members of the commission, you know, it's

00:21:35.149 --> 00:21:36.248

the commission, you know, it's also just important to add that,

00:21:36.250 --> 00:21:38.818

also just important to add that, you know, as you know, zoning

00:21:38.820 --> 00:21:40.119

you know, as you know, zoning regulations are independent of 00:21:40.121 --> 00:21:42.221

regulations are independent of ownership of the property, um,

00:21:42.223 --> 00:21:44.390

ownership of the property, um, and that, you know, um, It can

00:21:44.392 --> 00:21:46.958

and that, you know, um, It can be the first corner, the 300th

00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:48.761

be the first corner, the 300th owner, um, and the, the owner

00:21:48.763 --> 00:21:50.896

owner, um, and the, the owner after that, uh, those zoning 00:21:50.898 --> 00:21:51.564

after that, uh, those zoning zoning regulations don't go

00:21:51.566 --> 00:21:53.032

zoning regulations don't go with the person, they go with

00:21:53.034 --> 00:21:55.701

with the person, they go with the property, um, and so, you

00:21:55.703 --> 00:21:57.870

the property, um, and so, you know, the, the zoning

00:21:57.872 --> 00:21:59.338

know, the, the zoning regulations, the subdivision

00:21:59.340 --> 00:22:00.840

regulations, the subdivision regulations that that apply 00:22:00.842 --> 00:22:02.508

regulations that that apply here in the Soing district have

00:22:02.510 --> 00:22:03.709

here in the Soing district have essentially been there for

00:22:03.711 --> 00:22:07.379

essentially been there for decades, uh, and this property

00:22:07.381 --> 00:22:09.048

decades, uh, and this property has had um those regulations

00:22:09.050 --> 00:22:11.450

has had um those regulations applied to it for decades, and 00:22:11.452 --> 00:22:12.852

applied to it for decades, and therefore the right. That the

00:22:12.854 --> 00:22:14.753

therefore the right. That the property has, not the person,

00:22:14.755 --> 00:22:16.588

property has, not the person, that the property has to be

00:22:16.590 --> 00:22:17.923

that the property has to be subdivided, uh, according to

00:22:17.925 --> 00:22:19.124

subdivided, uh, according to the regulations of the zoning

00:22:19.126 --> 00:22:21.394

the regulations of the zoning deck, uh, zoning regulations, 00:22:21.396 --> 00:22:22.862

deck, uh, zoning regulations, uh, has been there for a long

00:22:22.864 --> 00:22:24.863

uh, has been there for a long time as well. Um, so it's, you

00:22:24.865 --> 00:22:28.067

time as well. Um, so it's, you know, this is really, um, it's

00:22:28.069 --> 00:22:29.167

know, this is really, um, it's obviously an emotional thing,

00:22:29.169 --> 00:22:31.603

obviously an emotional thing, uh, it's, it's a change to the 00:22:31.605 --> 00:22:34.406

uh, it's, it's a change to the neighborhood, um, but it's

00:22:34.408 --> 00:22:35.741

neighborhood, um, but it's something that is uh from uh

00:22:35.743 --> 00:22:36.875

something that is uh from uh the standpoint of the city and

00:22:36.877 --> 00:22:38.878

the standpoint of the city and your role as a commission is

00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:39.945

your role as a commission is quite objective. It doesn't

00:22:39.947 --> 00:22:41.414

quite objective. It doesn't meet the standards or not, uh, 00:22:41.416 --> 00:22:42.214

meet the standards or not, uh, and it does meet the standard.

00:22:42.216 --> 00:22:48.087

and it does meet the standard. s Thank you. sure. OK, bye.

00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:50.222

s Thank you. sure. OK, bye. Yeah, excuse me, and I, I mean, 00:22:50.224 --> 00:22:53.625

Yeah, excuse me, and I, I mean, I should say here. I'm carry

00:22:53.627 --> 00:22:54.993

I should say here. I'm carry everybody saying again, let me

00:22:54.995 --> 00:22:56.896

everybody saying again, let me extend my thanks to you coming

00:22:56.898 --> 00:22:57.963

extend my thanks to you coming to defend your neighborhood. I

00:22:57.965 --> 00:22:59.898

to defend your neighborhood. I mean, I think that's all it's

00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:02.835

mean, I think that's all it's all about. Uh, but what I want 00:23:02.837 --> 00:23:08.574

all about. Uh, but what I want to know truly. Did I, I did, I

00:23:08.576 --> 00:23:10.442

to know truly. Did I, I did, I there buildings on the on the 00:23:10.444 --> 00:23:15.381

there buildings on the on the plots now? Than our

00:23:15.383 --> 00:23:18.083

plots now? Than our commissioner gave there are is

00:23:18.085 --> 00:23:20.018

commissioner gave there are is a structure on lot one, the, 00:23:20.020 --> 00:23:21.653

a structure on lot one, the, the one that is to the furthest

00:23:21.655 --> 00:23:24.323

the one that is to the furthest west. OK. There are no

00:23:24.325 --> 00:23:26.391

west. OK. There are no structures on lots 2 and 3,

00:23:26.393 --> 00:23:27.860

structures on lots 2 and 3, however, the driveway does run

00:23:27.862 --> 00:23:29.595

however, the driveway does run through them, a condition of

00:23:29.597 --> 00:23:32.097

through them, a condition of approval will be to remove that 00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:34.132

approval will be to remove that driveway and reestablish sod or

00:23:34.134 --> 00:23:34.933

driveway and reestablish sod or ground cover in those areas.

00:23:34.935 --> 00:23:38.804

ground cover in those areas. Yeah. OK. OK, so that is the,

00:23:38.806 --> 00:23:40.873

Yeah. OK. OK, so that is the, the, the one way and the 00:23:40.875 --> 00:23:43.341

the, the one way and the further end, that's, that's it.

00:23:43.343 --> 00:23:48.213

further end, that's, that's it. OK. So. They break up. What is

00:23:48.215 --> 00:23:53.552

OK. So. They break up. What is They Main reason for the 00:23:53.554 --> 00:23:55.754

They Main reason for the breaking them up into 3

00:23:55.756 --> 00:23:59.091

breaking them up into 3 different lots. Than our

00:23:59.093 --> 00:24:00.559

different lots. Than our commissioner gave by, um, the, 00:24:00.561 --> 00:24:04.430

commissioner gave by, um, the, the property owner is hoping to

00:24:04.432 --> 00:24:06.899

the property owner is hoping to sell the lots. She would like

00:24:06.901 --> 00:24:09.334

sell the lots. She would like to sell lots. She's going to

00:24:09.336 --> 00:24:10.102

to sell lots. She's going to planning on maintaining 00:24:10.104 --> 00:24:13.172

planning on maintaining ownership of Lot one. And lots

00:24:13.174 --> 00:24:16.041

ownership of Lot one. And lots 2 or 3 and 3, the intent is to

00:24:16.043 --> 00:24:17.642

2 or 3 and 3, the intent is to sell. However, if she chose not

00:24:17.644 --> 00:24:20.312

sell. However, if she chose not to sell, that would also be 00:24:20.314 --> 00:24:22.314

to sell, that would also be valid and she could have just

00:24:22.316 --> 00:24:23.649

valid and she could have just continue owning the 3 lots as

00:24:23.651 --> 00:24:27.386

continue owning the 3 lots as they exist. So our purpose here

00:24:27.388 --> 00:24:30.255

they exist. So our purpose here is to to say to to acknowledge. 00:24:30.257 --> 00:24:31.657

is to to say to to acknowledge. The break of these lots.

00:24:31.659 --> 00:24:40.265

The break of these lots. Correct. Interesting. OK. Uh, 00:24:40.267 --> 00:24:41.733

Correct. Interesting. OK. Uh, sorry, the public portion is

00:24:41.735 --> 00:24:44.203

sorry, the public portion is closed, uh, right now, so. Hm

00:24:44.205 --> 00:24:54.947

closed, uh, right now, so. Hm But Um, First of all, um, I'd 00:24:54.949 --> 00:24:57.148

But Um, First of all, um, I'd like to thank all of you for

00:24:57.150 --> 00:24:59.418

like to thank all of you for coming out and supporting this

00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:02.354

coming out and supporting this cause, uh, but the way I see it 00:25:02.356 --> 00:25:03.421

cause, uh, but the way I see it or the way this whole thing is

00:25:03.423 --> 00:25:05.957

or the way this whole thing is set up. Um, you know, it's, you

00:25:05.959 --> 00:25:11.096

set up. Um, you know, it's, you know, it's like, uh, it's 00:25:11.098 --> 00:25:11.830

know, it's like, uh, it's Complies with the laws of the

00:25:11.832 --> 00:25:15.434

Complies with the laws of the city. Um, the, uh, owner of the

00:25:15.436 --> 00:25:17.970

city. Um, the, uh, owner of the property. Has the right to do

00:25:17.972 --> 00:25:19.170

property. Has the right to do whatever he or she wants to do

00:25:19.172 --> 00:25:21.440

whatever he or she wants to do with their property. Um, you 00:25:21.442 --> 00:25:22.775

with their property. Um, you know, um, I'm, I'm not saying I

00:25:22.777 --> 00:25:23.775

know, um, I'm, I'm not saying I agree with it or I don't agree

00:25:23.777 --> 00:25:26.445

agree with it or I don't agree with it. I'm just saying that

00:25:26.447 --> 00:25:27.913

with it. I'm just saying that the way looking, that is the

00:25:27.915 --> 00:25:29.648

the way looking, that is the law, or that is how, you know,

00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:33.585

law, or that is how, you know, it's, it's setting up. So, um, 00:25:33.587 --> 00:25:35.520

it's, it's setting up. So, um, Uh, maybe like some people say

00:25:35.522 --> 00:25:38.390

Uh, maybe like some people say this is not the the form to, to,

00:25:38.392 --> 00:25:39.791

this is not the the form to, to, to fight this because our task

00:25:39.793 --> 00:25:40.926

to fight this because our task here is very clear, you know, 00:25:40.928 --> 00:25:42.327

here is very clear, you know, we have to take a look at it.

00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:43.662

we have to take a look at it. Does, does it meet the, you

00:25:43.664 --> 00:25:44.997

Does, does it meet the, you know, the criteria, or doesn't

00:25:44.999 --> 00:25:46.532

know, the criteria, or doesn't it? You know, say yes or no, so.

00:25:46.534 --> 00:25:50.736

it? You know, say yes or no, so. If it meets, we, we will have 00:25:50.738 --> 00:25:52.871

If it meets, we, we will have to vote yes or maybe, um, you

00:25:52.873 --> 00:25:57.943

to vote yes or maybe, um, you know, um, have some Uh, uh, was

00:25:57.945 --> 00:26:00.245

know, um, have some Uh, uh, was to, to, to say so that it can 00:26:00.247 --> 00:26:00.879

to, to, to say so that it can be captured in the, in the

00:26:00.881 --> 00:26:04.283

be captured in the, in the minute. Uh, but, uh, I admired

00:26:04.285 --> 00:26:07.152

minute. Uh, but, uh, I admired that, you know, and I really

00:26:07.154 --> 00:26:07.886

that, you know, and I really appreciate that, you know, you

00:26:07.888 --> 00:26:10.089

appreciate that, you know, you know, you guys are taking up 00:26:10.091 --> 00:26:11.890

know, you guys are taking up this fight, and I'm sure, um,

00:26:11.892 --> 00:26:13.225

this fight, and I'm sure, um, they know that, that it'll, you

00:26:13.227 --> 00:26:15.627

they know that, that it'll, you know, you know that some,

00:26:15.629 --> 00:26:17.096

know, you know that some, somehow you'll succeed, but The

00:26:17.098 --> 00:26:20.165

somehow you'll succeed, but The why I say it, it's You know, 00:26:20.167 --> 00:26:24.036

why I say it, it's You know, our, our task is very limited

00:26:24.038 --> 00:26:26.438

our, our task is very limited to yes or no uh business, so

00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.440

to yes or no uh business, so thank you very much. I'm, I

00:26:28.442 --> 00:26:37.449

thank you very much. I'm, I apologize. All right, uh, 00:26:37.451 --> 00:26:38.517

apologize. All right, uh, Anyone else from the planning

00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:44.055

Anyone else from the planning commission. You want to add 00:26:44.057 --> 00:26:46.891

commission. You want to add something, I'm sorry. Have a

00:26:46.893 --> 00:26:48.927

something, I'm sorry. Have a couple of questions, uh, maybe

00:26:48.929 --> 00:26:50.328

couple of questions, uh, maybe one is that just a comment. 00:26:50.330 --> 00:26:52.597

one is that just a comment. First of all, thank you all for

00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.066

First of all, thank you all for coming out. This is very

00:26:54.068 --> 00:26:57.869

coming out. This is very important. And, and it's very

00:26:57.871 --> 00:27:01.473

important. And, and it's very hard to Really hear all the 00:27:01.475 --> 00:27:05.544

hard to Really hear all the story and. And even if it is in

00:27:05.546 --> 00:27:08.213

story and. And even if it is in the rule to really Advance it

00:27:08.215 --> 00:27:10.015

the rule to really Advance it forward when the owner is not 00:27:10.017 --> 00:27:14.286

forward when the owner is not present and And the owner being

00:27:14.288 --> 00:27:15.955

present and And the owner being engaged and I want to be more

00:27:15.957 --> 00:27:18.357

engaged and I want to be more interested to hear. How much

00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:19.758

interested to hear. How much the owner get engaged in the

00:27:19.760 --> 00:27:21.760

the owner get engaged in the community in, in, in the 00:27:21.762 --> 00:27:23.562

community in, in, in the neighborhood and, and with this

00:27:23.564 --> 00:27:25.965

neighborhood and, and with this intent and. And reaching out to,

00:27:25.967 --> 00:27:28.467

intent and. And reaching out to, you know, this perceived if

00:27:28.469 --> 00:27:30.101

you know, this perceived if there is any inconvenience that 00:27:30.103 --> 00:27:32.237

there is any inconvenience that might result from this and if

00:27:32.239 --> 00:27:33.705

might result from this and if there is any knowledge on the

00:27:33.707 --> 00:27:38.377

there is any knowledge on the city level. In terms of The

00:27:38.379 --> 00:27:39.177

city level. In terms of The owner engagement with the

00:27:39.179 --> 00:27:41.647

owner engagement with the neighborhood. About the change 00:27:41.649 --> 00:27:45.316

neighborhood. About the change and Uh, from traffic point of

00:27:45.318 --> 00:27:50.055

and Uh, from traffic point of view from Either, uh, any other 00:27:50.057 --> 00:27:50.989

view from Either, uh, any other easements that might result

00:27:50.991 --> 00:27:54.259

easements that might result because of this. Um You know,

00:27:54.261 --> 00:27:56.694

because of this. Um You know, what's, what's, uh, You know,

00:27:56.696 --> 00:27:58.130

what's, what's, uh, You know, if there is any information as

00:27:58.132 --> 00:28:00.532

if there is any information as to, you know, the level of 00:28:00.534 --> 00:28:03.402

to, you know, the level of owner engagement and. The lack

00:28:03.404 --> 00:28:06.805

owner engagement and. The lack of presence today, you know, is,

00:28:06.807 --> 00:28:09.207

of presence today, you know, is, is er Wacko, I appreciate the

00:28:09.209 --> 00:28:12.010

is er Wacko, I appreciate the question, um, there's no 00:28:12.012 --> 00:28:13.479

question, um, there's no requirement for subdivision for

00:28:13.481 --> 00:28:14.279

requirement for subdivision for engaging the neighborhood, um,

00:28:14.281 --> 00:28:17.616

engaging the neighborhood, um, it. It's just not in our code,

00:28:17.618 --> 00:28:19.618

it. It's just not in our code, so as far as I know, the

00:28:19.620 --> 00:28:21.219

so as far as I know, the property owner did not speak to 00:28:21.221 --> 00:28:22.621

property owner did not speak to the neighbors as it is not a

00:28:22.623 --> 00:28:24.423

the neighbors as it is not a requirement, uh, for the

00:28:24.425 --> 00:28:25.424

requirement, uh, for the traffic requirements are the

00:28:25.426 --> 00:28:29.227

traffic requirements are the city. Uh, engineering division

00:28:29.229 --> 00:28:31.096

city. Uh, engineering division did review the edition if the 00:28:31.098 --> 00:28:32.764

did review the edition if the addition of two residential

00:28:32.766 --> 00:28:33.899

addition of two residential structures would increase the

00:28:33.901 --> 00:28:35.567

structures would increase the traffic in this area, and there

00:28:35.569 --> 00:28:37.569

traffic in this area, and there was no concern as to traffic

00:28:37.571 --> 00:28:40.338

was no concern as to traffic counts and increase of traffic, 00:28:40.340 --> 00:28:42.374

counts and increase of traffic, um, the vehicle counts per day,

00:28:42.376 --> 00:28:43.375

um, the vehicle counts per day, did not substantially increase.

00:28:43.377 --> 00:28:48.647

did not substantially increase. Um So that Did that answer all

00:28:48.649 --> 00:28:49.781

Um So that Did that answer all the questions that you had. I

00:28:49.783 --> 00:28:58.724

the questions that you had. I can. Thank you. All right, uh, 00:28:58.726 --> 00:29:03.462

can. Thank you. All right, uh, any other comments, questions? 00:29:03.464 --> 00:29:05.797

any other comments, questions? All right, uh, can I get a

00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:24.616

All right, uh, can I get a motion. Commissioner. Yeah Uh, 00:29:24.618 --> 00:29:27.685

motion. Commissioner. Yeah Uh, well, the public portion is uh

00:29:27.687 --> 00:29:29.888

well, the public portion is uh closed, but quickly you can.

00:29:29.890 --> 00:29:33.826

closed, but quickly you can. I'll allow it. Can I just for 00:29:33.828 --> 00:29:34.893

I'll allow it. Can I just for And now you have to go to the

00:29:34.895 --> 00:29:47.239

And now you have to go to the podium. Hi, um, my name is 00:29:47.241 --> 00:29:49.908

podium. Hi, um, my name is Thomasina Prue. I live at um

00:29:49.910 --> 00:29:55.514

Thomasina Prue. I live at um 8901 Greenhaven. And I did hear 00:29:55.516 --> 00:29:59.852

8901 Greenhaven. And I did hear something about The health

00:29:59.854 --> 00:30:00.586

something about The health investigator or neighborhood 00:30:00.588 --> 00:30:02.654

investigator or neighborhood health. I don't remember any

00:30:02.656 --> 00:30:06.258

health. I don't remember any one of us. Being asked anything.

00:30:06.260 --> 00:30:13.398

one of us. Being asked anything. About This Not one of us. So 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.468

About This Not one of us. So Who made up this health

00:30:16.470 --> 00:30:17.002

Who made up this health neighborhood healthness

00:30:17.004 --> 00:30:21.006

neighborhood healthness wellness. Because we were were 00:30:21.008 --> 00:30:24.276

wellness. Because we were were weren't talked to, and I

00:30:24.278 --> 00:30:26.010

weren't talked to, and I understand the resident wasn't

00:30:26.012 --> 00:30:28.813

understand the resident wasn't here to address this. She

00:30:28.815 --> 00:30:31.049

here to address this. She hasn't addressed anybody, and I 00:30:31.051 --> 00:30:33.485

hasn't addressed anybody, and I understand that we're pretty

00:30:33.487 --> 00:30:36.088

understand that we're pretty much bound to what the planning

00:30:36.090 --> 00:30:37.889

much bound to what the planning director said that, well, it,

00:30:37.891 --> 00:30:41.092

director said that, well, it, it's all within the rules. Then 00:30:41.094 --> 00:30:45.564

it's all within the rules. Then Why Are we fed this, oh well,

00:30:45.566 --> 00:30:49.434

Why Are we fed this, oh well, we can talk about it. I, I

00:30:49.436 --> 00:30:52.838

we can talk about it. I, I appreciate, uh, uh, your, your, 00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:56.241

appreciate, uh, uh, your, your, uh, sentiments uh are there, um,

00:30:56.243 --> 00:31:00.579

uh, sentiments uh are there, um, uh, this commission is, uh, 00:31:00.581 --> 00:31:03.248

uh, this commission is, uh, Responsible for uh uh um.

00:31:03.250 --> 00:31:04.716

Responsible for uh uh um. Following the guidelines that

00:31:04.718 --> 00:31:07.119

Following the guidelines that have been set by, uh, the city,

00:31:07.121 --> 00:31:09.487

have been set by, uh, the city, which in particular are the

00:31:09.489 --> 00:31:11.456

which in particular are the zoning and uh uh uh regulation. 00:31:11.458 --> 00:31:14.793

zoning and uh uh uh regulation. So that's our guiding principle

00:31:14.795 --> 00:31:17.862

So that's our guiding principle the healthy wellness. Fairy

00:31:17.864 --> 00:31:20.465

the healthy wellness. Fairy that was supposed to talk to us. 00:31:20.467 --> 00:31:25.671

that was supposed to talk to us. I, maybe I can provide some

00:31:25.673 --> 00:31:28.206

I, maybe I can provide some clarity on what I, what I think

00:31:28.208 --> 00:31:31.209

clarity on what I, what I think this question is about um the 00:31:31.211 --> 00:31:33.011

this question is about um the neighborhood health, uh, the

00:31:33.013 --> 00:31:34.546

neighborhood health, uh, the role of neighborhood health, uh,

00:31:34.548 --> 00:31:38.950

role of neighborhood health, uh, at the city. Uh, my, um,

00:31:38.952 --> 00:31:39.751

at the city. Uh, my, um, admittedly probably incomplete

00:31:39.753 --> 00:31:41.353

admittedly probably incomplete understanding of the events of 00:31:41.355 --> 00:31:43.154

understanding of the events of today are apparently there was

00:31:43.156 --> 00:31:45.090

today are apparently there was uh one of our colleagues on

00:31:45.092 --> 00:31:48.560

uh one of our colleagues on staff at the city who was in

00:31:48.562 --> 00:31:51.096

staff at the city who was in the neighborhood doing a 00:31:51.098 --> 00:31:53.765

the neighborhood doing a routine sweep of. That happens

00:31:53.767 --> 00:31:58.770

routine sweep of. That happens all over the city, um, for, um.

00:31:58.772 --> 00:32:01.906

all over the city, um, for, um. Looking for uh code violations 00:32:01.908 --> 00:32:03.575

Looking for uh code violations completely unrelated to this

00:32:03.577 --> 00:32:07.445

completely unrelated to this agenda item tonight, OK, we're

00:32:07.447 --> 00:32:08.580

agenda item tonight, OK, we're talking about the code

00:32:08.582 --> 00:32:09.448

talking about the code violation to the chair to bring

00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:15.320

violation to the chair to bring the meeting to order. Yes. Uh 00:32:15.322 --> 00:32:18.790

the meeting to order. Yes. Uh I'm sorry if I misunderstood,

00:32:18.792 --> 00:32:20.358

I'm sorry if I misunderstood, um, but that was one of the 00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:24.095

um, but that was one of the reasons what I heard. In part

00:32:24.097 --> 00:32:27.065

reasons what I heard. In part of um the young lady addressing

00:32:27.067 --> 00:32:29.134

of um the young lady addressing some of the checked boxes that

00:32:29.136 --> 00:32:31.870

some of the checked boxes that she was supposed to do, I 00:32:31.872 --> 00:32:33.071

she was supposed to do, I appreciate the sentiment, uh,

00:32:33.073 --> 00:32:34.873

appreciate the sentiment, uh, that, uh, at this meeting,

00:32:34.875 --> 00:32:36.274

that, uh, at this meeting, that's not the purpose of this,

00:32:36.276 --> 00:32:38.143

that's not the purpose of this, this, this meeting here. I

00:32:38.145 --> 00:32:39.211

this, this meeting here. I apologize for that. Just so,

00:32:39.213 --> 00:32:40.879

apologize for that. Just so, just so I could tell everybody, 00:32:40.881 --> 00:32:42.480

just so I could tell everybody, it's already been decided.

00:32:42.482 --> 00:32:43.548

it's already been decided. Nothing has been decided. We

00:32:43.550 --> 00:32:46.451

Nothing has been decided. We haven't voted yet. Uh, however,

00:32:46.453 --> 00:32:48.754

haven't voted yet. Uh, however, we have our uh objectives as a,

00:32:48.756 --> 00:32:55.293

we have our uh objectives as a, a. A body here to abide by our 00:32:55.295 --> 00:32:56.762

a. A body here to abide by our role and responsibility of

00:32:56.764 --> 00:32:57.696

role and responsibility of following the guidelines that

00:32:57.698 --> 00:32:59.998

following the guidelines that have been set. So it, it hasn't 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.632

have been set. So it, it hasn't been decided. We're about to

00:33:01.634 --> 00:33:04.436

been decided. We're about to vote on it, but You know, we

00:33:04.438 --> 00:33:05.903

vote on it, but You know, we have to follow the guidelines.

00:33:05.905 --> 00:33:09.374

have to follow the guidelines. I hope that makes sense. All

00:33:09.376 --> 00:33:11.643

I hope that makes sense. All right, it's not just all about 00:33:11.645 --> 00:33:14.546

right, it's not just all about while they're following the

00:33:14.548 --> 00:33:16.381

while they're following the rules by giving permission to

00:33:16.383 --> 00:33:19.384

rules by giving permission to sublet or subdivide. Because

00:33:19.386 --> 00:33:20.786

sublet or subdivide. Because then we have no reason to be 00:33:20.788 --> 00:33:24.656

then we have no reason to be here. If it's what this

00:33:24.658 --> 00:33:25.590

here. If it's what this gentleman presented thank you

00:33:25.592 --> 00:33:28.526

gentleman presented thank you for, uh, the comments there.

00:33:28.528 --> 00:33:30.395

for, uh, the comments there. Commissioner Oda. You're going 00:33:30.397 --> 00:33:36.968

Commissioner Oda. You're going to Like most. OK, um, I'll go

00:33:36.970 --> 00:33:42.341

to Like most. OK, um, I'll go ahead and make the motion. Um, 00:33:42.343 --> 00:33:44.743

ahead and make the motion. Um, Motion to recommend resolution

00:33:44.745 --> 00:33:46.210

Motion to recommend resolution approving a preliminary plot

00:33:46.212 --> 00:33:53.017

approving a preliminary plot subdividing. Uh, at 708 00:33:53.019 --> 00:33:54.286

subdividing. Uh, at 708 Greenhaven Drive North into 3

00:33:54.288 --> 00:33:58.690

Greenhaven Drive North into 3 single family. Lots All right.

00:33:58.692 --> 00:34:06.098

single family. Lots All right. Uh, can I get a second? Uh, our 00:34:06.100 --> 00:34:09.700

Uh, can I get a second? Uh, our second the motion. Um, well

00:34:09.702 --> 00:34:12.170

second the motion. Um, well she's been made, it has been 00:34:12.172 --> 00:34:13.438

she's been made, it has been the second, uh, any further

00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:19.711

the second, uh, any further discussion? Can, uh, let's vote,

00:34:19.713 --> 00:34:24.049

discussion? Can, uh, let's vote, all in favor say aye. I Any 00:34:24.051 --> 00:34:32.690

all in favor say aye. I Any opposed? Uh, so, uh, I mean OK. 00:34:32.692 --> 00:34:34.726

opposed? Uh, so, uh, I mean OK. All right, so the motion did

00:34:34.728 --> 00:34:43.301

All right, so the motion did not pass. 3 To 4 Right, for the 00:34:43.303 --> 00:34:48.406

not pass. 3 To 4 Right, for the motion did not pass, so, um,

00:34:48.408 --> 00:34:51.409

motion did not pass, so, um, Alright. That's, uh, that's the. 00:34:51.411 --> 00:35:11.029

Alright. That's, uh, that's the. Yeah. All right, uh, the, uh, 00:35:11.031 --> 00:35:13.031

Yeah. All right, uh, the, uh, Um, and we can talk about the

00:35:13.033 --> 00:35:16.835

Um, and we can talk about the uh Uh, possibilities of, uh, uh,

00:35:16.837 --> 00:35:18.903

uh Uh, possibilities of, uh, uh, the result of that vote, but

00:35:18.905 --> 00:35:20.538

the result of that vote, but we'll move on to the next 00:35:20.540 --> 00:35:36.588

we'll move on to the next agenda item, uh, 5.2. Good 00:35:36.590 --> 00:35:37.589

agenda item, uh, 5.2. Good evening, Chehan and members of

00:35:37.591 --> 00:35:38.923

evening, Chehan and members of the planning commission for the

00:35:38.925 --> 00:35:40.125

the planning commission for the record, Kara Donovan, senior 00:35:40.127 --> 00:35:40.658

record, Kara Donovan, senior planner with the planning

00:35:40.660 --> 00:35:43.261

planner with the planning division. Presenting a site

00:35:43.263 --> 00:35:44.061

division. Presenting a site plan review and variance

00:35:44.063 --> 00:35:48.166

plan review and variance requests for a case number

00:35:48.168 --> 00:35:49.601

requests for a case number 24-117 for United Central

00:35:49.603 --> 00:35:50.802

24-117 for United Central Seventh Day Adventist Church. 00:35:50.804 --> 00:35:52.069

Seventh Day Adventist Church. The applicant proposes a

00:35:52.071 --> 00:35:52.871

The applicant proposes a building addition south of the

00:35:52.873 --> 00:36:03.381

building addition south of the existing building. Yeah Oh The 00:36:03.383 --> 00:36:05.250

existing building. Yeah Oh The site is located on Brooklyn

00:36:05.252 --> 00:36:06.217

site is located on Brooklyn Boulevard between West Broadway

00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:11.089

Boulevard between West Broadway and Zane Avenue. The subject 00:36:11.091 --> 00:36:12.423

and Zane Avenue. The subject properties are 1.67 acres and

00:36:12.425 --> 00:36:13.892

properties are 1.67 acres and about commercial and

00:36:13.894 --> 00:36:14.625

about commercial and residential properties.

00:36:14.627 --> 00:36:15.827

residential properties. Brooklyn Boulevard to the north

00:36:15.829 --> 00:36:17.495

Brooklyn Boulevard to the north is a minor arterial and

00:36:17.497 --> 00:36:18.830

is a minor arterial and seventy-sixth Avenue to the

00:36:18.832 --> 00:36:23.668

seventy-sixth Avenue to the south is a residential road. 00:36:23.670 --> 00:36:25.169

south is a residential road. The Seventh Day Adventist

00:36:25.171 --> 00:36:27.138

The Seventh Day Adventist parcel is zoned Office Park

00:36:27.140 --> 00:36:28.172

parcel is zoned Office Park District, the outlet that runs

00:36:28.174 --> 00:36:29.541

District, the outlet that runs along the east side of the

00:36:29.543 --> 00:36:31.109

along the east side of the applicant's property is zoned 00:36:31.111 --> 00:36:33.177

applicant's property is zoned multiple family district or R4.

00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:34.713

multiple family district or R4. The properties to the east are

00:36:34.715 --> 00:36:36.248

The properties to the east are zoned office park and multiple

00:36:36.250 --> 00:36:37.449

zoned office park and multiple family districts, and the

00:36:37.451 --> 00:36:38.449

family districts, and the properties to the west are

00:36:38.451 --> 00:36:41.452

properties to the west are zoned to Office Park and TODC 00:36:41.454 --> 00:36:42.387

zoned to Office Park and TODC or transit oriented development

00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:46.391

or transit oriented development center district. The applicant

00:36:46.393 --> 00:36:47.859

center district. The applicant is requesting site plan

00:36:47.861 --> 00:36:48.993

is requesting site plan approval for a building

00:36:48.995 --> 00:36:50.394

approval for a building addition to the south of the 00:36:50.396 --> 00:36:51.963

addition to the south of the existing building in order to

00:36:51.965 --> 00:36:52.530

existing building in order to support their existing

00:36:52.532 --> 00:36:58.870

support their existing congregation. The applicant is

00:36:58.872 --> 00:36:59.604

congregation. The applicant is also requesting approval for a

00:36:59.606 --> 00:37:00.938

also requesting approval for a variance for the proposed 00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:03.608

variance for the proposed building setback. As noted

00:37:03.610 --> 00:37:04.809

building setback. As noted earlier, the properties along

00:37:04.811 --> 00:37:06.945

earlier, the properties along the southeast of the

00:37:06.947 --> 00:37:08.479

the southeast of the applicant's property are zoned

00:37:08.481 --> 00:37:10.014

applicant's property are zoned multiple family district, which 00:37:10.016 --> 00:37:12.250

multiple family district, which requires a 50-foot setback on

00:37:12.252 --> 00:37:13.018

requires a 50-foot setback on the applicant's property as

00:37:13.020 --> 00:37:14.752

the applicant's property as seen on the screen, the

00:37:14.754 --> 00:37:16.354

seen on the screen, the buildable area with the

00:37:16.356 --> 00:37:19.057

buildable area with the required setback limits.

00:37:19.059 --> 00:37:20.091

required setback limits. Building addition options. In 00:37:20.093 --> 00:37:21.225

Building addition options. In order to reduce the variance

00:37:21.227 --> 00:37:22.827

order to reduce the variance for the setback, the applicant

00:37:22.829 --> 00:37:23.962

for the setback, the applicant has a purchase agreement for

00:37:23.964 --> 00:37:25.964

has a purchase agreement for the 10 ft wide outlet that runs

00:37:25.966 --> 00:37:27.198

the 10 ft wide outlet that runs nearly the full length of the

00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:29.234

nearly the full length of the property. This will increase

00:37:29.236 --> 00:37:30.302

property. This will increase the setback from the proposed 00:37:30.304 --> 00:37:33.638

the setback from the proposed project. From the residential

00:37:33.640 --> 00:37:36.575

project. From the residential property from 24.7 ft to 32 ft,

00:37:36.577 --> 00:37:38.643

property from 24.7 ft to 32 ft, so it increases the distance

00:37:38.645 --> 00:37:40.011

so it increases the distance between the boundary for the 00:37:40.013 --> 00:37:40.645

between the boundary for the residential property to the

00:37:40.647 --> 00:37:44.148

residential property to the building. And these are two

00:37:44.150 --> 00:37:45.216

building. And these are two renderings that the applicant

00:37:45.218 --> 00:37:46.651

renderings that the applicant has provided. This is from the

00:37:46.653 --> 00:37:48.186

has provided. This is from the southwest view, so from the

00:37:48.188 --> 00:37:49.787

southwest view, so from the commercial property next door.

00:37:49.789 --> 00:37:51.990

commercial property next door. And this is from the Southeast 00:37:51.992 --> 00:37:53.524

And this is from the Southeast view which is uh where the

00:37:53.526 --> 00:37:57.395

view which is uh where the residential properties are now.

00:37:57.397 --> 00:37:58.396

residential properties are now. Staff recommends approval of

00:37:58.398 --> 00:37:59.998

Staff recommends approval of the site plan and variance 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:00.865

the site plan and variance requests with conditions as

00:38:00.867 --> 00:38:02.734

requests with conditions as listed in the draft resolutions,

00:38:02.736 --> 00:38:03.868

listed in the draft resolutions, and this concludes staff

00:38:03.870 --> 00:38:08.339

and this concludes staff presentation. Thank you. All

00:38:08.341 --> 00:38:12.176

presentation. Thank you. All right, with, uh, Anyone from 00:38:12.178 --> 00:38:12.877

right, with, uh, Anyone from the public like to speak to

00:38:12.879 --> 00:38:15.680

the public like to speak to this. Item, we're opening up

00:38:15.682 --> 00:38:23.154

this. Item, we're opening up the public portion of it. not 00:38:23.156 --> 00:38:25.023

the public portion of it. not CNN will close the public

00:38:25.025 --> 00:38:27.425

CNN will close the public portion of it and bring it back

00:38:27.427 --> 00:38:33.131

portion of it and bring it back to uh commissioners. Any, uh 00:38:33.133 --> 00:38:41.439

to uh commissioners. Any, uh Commissioner's comment? In the 00:38:41.441 --> 00:38:45.243

Commissioner's comment? In the um I think I read in there that

00:38:45.245 --> 00:38:46.644

um I think I read in there that the parking was not sufficient

00:38:46.646 --> 00:38:49.047

the parking was not sufficient at the site, but that they had

00:38:49.049 --> 00:38:50.515

at the site, but that they had an agreement with something 00:38:50.517 --> 00:38:51.949

an agreement with something nearby. Did it say what nearby

00:38:51.951 --> 00:38:53.251

nearby. Did it say what nearby and what if that goes away,

00:38:53.253 --> 00:38:55.987

and what if that goes away, what would happen? that ability

00:38:55.989 --> 00:38:57.588

what would happen? that ability to park there kind of thing.

00:38:57.590 --> 00:38:59.090

to park there kind of thing. Yes, that's a good question.

00:38:59.092 --> 00:39:02.727

Yes, that's a good question. Yeah, so the. Existing um 00:39:02.729 --> 00:39:04.662

Yeah, so the. Existing um parking lot, the outlaw or

00:39:04.664 --> 00:39:05.997

parking lot, the outlaw or sorry the addition is going to

00:39:05.999 --> 00:39:07.065

sorry the addition is going to eat into the existing parking

00:39:07.067 --> 00:39:09.467

eat into the existing parking lot a little bit so the parking

00:39:09.469 --> 00:39:11.870

lot a little bit so the parking lot will be 80 spaces after the 00:39:11.872 --> 00:39:13.738

lot will be 80 spaces after the development. They have a cross

00:39:13.740 --> 00:39:14.872

development. They have a cross parking agreement with the

00:39:14.874 --> 00:39:16.207

parking agreement with the crematorium to the west in this

00:39:16.209 --> 00:39:17.342

crematorium to the west in this image on the screen, it's to

00:39:17.344 --> 00:39:19.077

image on the screen, it's to the south, like on the bottom

00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.613

the south, like on the bottom of the screen, um, so they have 00:39:21.615 --> 00:39:24.015

of the screen, um, so they have different times of day that the

00:39:24.017 --> 00:39:24.683

different times of day that the build the businesses operate so

00:39:24.685 --> 00:39:26.350

build the businesses operate so they have an agreement that the

00:39:26.352 --> 00:39:27.552

they have an agreement that the crematorium can use the

00:39:27.554 --> 00:39:28.886

crematorium can use the church's parking lot and vice

00:39:28.888 --> 00:39:29.954

church's parking lot and vice versa depending on the time of

00:39:29.956 --> 00:39:32.424

versa depending on the time of day that's being used. Um, I 00:39:32.426 --> 00:39:34.525

day that's being used. Um, I don't know what happens if the

00:39:34.527 --> 00:39:37.362

don't know what happens if the building were to be um.

00:39:37.364 --> 00:39:38.796

building were to be um. Redeveloped, but it was the

00:39:38.798 --> 00:39:39.430

Redeveloped, but it was the crematorium probably is not

00:39:39.432 --> 00:39:47.305

crematorium probably is not gonna go away, so. Commissioner 00:39:47.307 --> 00:39:49.240

gonna go away, so. Commissioner Caruso, thank you for the

00:39:49.242 --> 00:39:53.111

Caruso, thank you for the opportunity. So, uh, to follow 00:39:53.113 --> 00:39:54.779

opportunity. So, uh, to follow up with uh the, the parking

00:39:54.781 --> 00:39:59.383

up with uh the, the parking questions. Uh, do we know? Uh,

00:39:59.385 --> 00:40:03.988

questions. Uh, do we know? Uh, the estimated. Uh, number of 00:40:03.990 --> 00:40:06.657

the estimated. Uh, number of the congregation in the short

00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:10.394

the congregation in the short run, um, period. Uh, and, uh, 00:40:10.396 --> 00:40:12.530

run, um, period. Uh, and, uh, does it uh goes. Part one is

00:40:12.532 --> 00:40:14.465

does it uh goes. Part one is that it goes with any units of

00:40:14.467 --> 00:40:17.401

that it goes with any units of the parking lot, uh, if If yes,

00:40:17.403 --> 00:40:22.340

the parking lot, uh, if If yes, that's fine. If not, Like uh 00:40:22.342 --> 00:40:25.076

that's fine. If not, Like uh any uh modification or any plan

00:40:25.078 --> 00:40:28.747

any uh modification or any plan modification to meet. Um, the

00:40:28.749 --> 00:40:30.482

modification to meet. Um, the two, the number of congregation. 00:40:30.484 --> 00:40:35.887

two, the number of congregation. With, uh, like minimum. number

00:40:35.889 --> 00:40:38.589

With, uh, like minimum. number of parking that is required. Uh,

00:40:38.591 --> 00:40:42.026

of parking that is required. Uh, for the service. Thank you. um. 00:40:42.028 --> 00:40:44.496

for the service. Thank you. um. Church gave and members of the

00:40:44.498 --> 00:40:45.029

Church gave and members of the planning commission the

00:40:45.031 --> 00:40:46.364

planning commission the required, I don't know the

00:40:46.366 --> 00:40:48.366

required, I don't know the congregation size, but the

00:40:48.368 --> 00:40:50.367

congregation size, but the required parking is 115 pounds. 00:40:50.369 --> 00:40:52.203

required parking is 115 pounds. So between the 80 stalls um for

00:40:52.205 --> 00:40:53.705

So between the 80 stalls um for the applicant and then the 44

00:40:53.707 --> 00:40:55.173

the applicant and then the 44 for the crematorium, they do

00:40:55.175 --> 00:40:56.441

for the crematorium, they do meet their 115 parking stall

00:40:56.443 --> 00:41:00.445

meet their 115 parking stall requirement. Does that answer 00:41:00.447 --> 00:41:02.647

requirement. Does that answer your question? yeah, partially.

00:41:02.649 --> 00:41:05.383

your question? yeah, partially. So if it is a yeah, uh, it

00:41:05.385 --> 00:41:07.585

So if it is a yeah, uh, it gives some data, but it says,

00:41:07.587 --> 00:41:10.588

gives some data, but it says, uh, like on the page. I think 00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:11.856

uh, like on the page. I think the first page towards the

00:41:11.858 --> 00:41:13.391

the first page towards the bottom, the parking, the

00:41:13.393 --> 00:41:18.129

bottom, the parking, the parking is going to be reduced

00:41:18.131 --> 00:41:22.200

parking is going to be reduced from 98 to 80 parking spots. So, 00:41:22.202 --> 00:41:25.536

from 98 to 80 parking spots. So, so that doesn't uh meet with

00:41:25.538 --> 00:41:27.572

so that doesn't uh meet with your requirement. So do you

00:41:27.574 --> 00:41:32.544

your requirement. So do you guys have any plan? To modify, 00:41:32.546 --> 00:41:34.212

guys have any plan? To modify, uh, so that the minimum

00:41:34.214 --> 00:41:35.746

uh, so that the minimum requirement of a parking spot

00:41:35.748 --> 00:41:37.748

requirement of a parking spot would be available for Uh, this

00:41:37.750 --> 00:41:40.018

would be available for Uh, this development. members of the 00:41:40.020 --> 00:41:41.085

development. members of the planning commission, thank you

00:41:41.087 --> 00:41:43.220

planning commission, thank you for the question. I think the,

00:41:43.222 --> 00:41:46.390

for the question. I think the, the The number of parking

00:41:46.392 --> 00:41:47.358

the The number of parking stalls required is 115, and

00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:48.693

stalls required is 115, and they can meet that either on

00:41:48.695 --> 00:41:51.195

they can meet that either on site or with this cross parking 00:41:51.197 --> 00:41:51.896

site or with this cross parking agreement with the neighboring

00:41:51.898 --> 00:41:55.967

agreement with the neighboring um. The neighboring business

00:41:55.969 --> 00:41:56.901

um. The neighboring business and we do recommend cross

00:41:56.903 --> 00:41:57.869

and we do recommend cross parking agreements when we can

00:41:57.871 --> 00:41:59.837

parking agreements when we can because we don't want to have

00:41:59.839 --> 00:42:00.505

because we don't want to have additional pavement and 00:42:00.507 --> 00:42:01.372

additional pavement and additional parking that's not

00:42:01.374 --> 00:42:02.773

additional parking that's not needed. So this is actually

00:42:02.775 --> 00:42:03.508

needed. So this is actually something that we encourage as

00:42:03.510 --> 00:42:10.181

something that we encourage as a city. So yeah, they have 80 00:42:10.183 --> 00:42:11.716

a city. So yeah, they have 80 parking installs, but next door

00:42:11.718 --> 00:42:14.018

parking installs, but next door is the cremation, um, and they

00:42:14.020 --> 00:42:16.454

is the cremation, um, and they have an agreement, parking

00:42:16.456 --> 00:42:18.389

have an agreement, parking agreement which has 40 parking

00:42:18.391 --> 00:42:22.326

agreement which has 40 parking stalls, so 80 + 40 gets you up 00:42:22.328 --> 00:42:24.662

stalls, so 80 + 40 gets you up to 120 stalls. That's That can

00:42:24.664 --> 00:42:28.332

to 120 stalls. That's That can be used. I don't not the

00:42:28.334 --> 00:42:29.067

be used. I don't not the parking agreement is included

00:42:29.069 --> 00:42:30.534

parking agreement is included in the packet if you'd like to 00:42:30.536 --> 00:42:36.941

in the packet if you'd like to review that. Thank you You know,

00:42:36.943 --> 00:42:40.077

review that. Thank you You know, I do have, oh, go ahead, sorry. 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:41.679

I do have, oh, go ahead, sorry. Commissioner Fraser. Yeah, just

00:42:41.681 --> 00:42:43.414

Commissioner Fraser. Yeah, just to follow up on the parking

00:42:43.416 --> 00:42:47.385

to follow up on the parking question. So with the addition

00:42:47.387 --> 00:42:50.354

question. So with the addition Is there a projected to be 00:42:50.356 --> 00:42:56.827

Is there a projected to be increased in um. The number of

00:42:56.829 --> 00:42:59.263

increased in um. The number of attendees and service that

00:42:59.265 --> 00:43:01.299

attendees and service that would push that parking 00:43:01.301 --> 00:43:03.568

would push that parking requirement up so I'm trying to

00:43:03.570 --> 00:43:06.871

requirement up so I'm trying to gauge whether the addition is

00:43:06.873 --> 00:43:09.707

gauge whether the addition is going to um increase the number

00:43:09.709 --> 00:43:11.376

going to um increase the number of parking spots that's 00:43:11.378 --> 00:43:11.843

of parking spots that's required to support the

00:43:11.845 --> 00:43:14.245

required to support the addition. Sure you and members

00:43:14.247 --> 00:43:15.646

addition. Sure you and members of the planning commission. I

00:43:15.648 --> 00:43:16.780

of the planning commission. I believe the applicant is here

00:43:16.782 --> 00:43:17.848

believe the applicant is here tonight to answer the question

00:43:17.850 --> 00:43:19.117

tonight to answer the question of, um, you have anything to

00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.419

of, um, you have anything to say, but I do not believe that 00:43:21.421 --> 00:43:22.453

say, but I do not believe that the congregation is expected to

00:43:22.455 --> 00:43:24.589

the congregation is expected to expand. This is to accommodate

00:43:24.591 --> 00:43:30.728

expand. This is to accommodate the existing, uh, congregation. 00:43:30.730 --> 00:43:36.000

the existing, uh, congregation. I mean, Uh, my question is

00:43:36.002 --> 00:43:39.203

I mean, Uh, my question is related to, um, The entry and

00:43:39.205 --> 00:43:44.375

related to, um, The entry and the exit. Um Will there be 00:43:44.377 --> 00:43:46.344

the exit. Um Will there be visible signs of like, do not

00:43:46.346 --> 00:43:48.346

visible signs of like, do not enter or you enter here just

00:43:48.348 --> 00:43:50.148

enter or you enter here just for the flow. Is there, are 00:43:50.150 --> 00:43:51.215

for the flow. Is there, are there current signs there?

00:43:51.217 --> 00:43:52.350

there current signs there? Cause it doesn't really, I

00:43:52.352 --> 00:43:55.086

Cause it doesn't really, I don't really see that on the,

00:43:55.088 --> 00:43:56.220

don't really see that on the, on the renderings, members of

00:43:56.222 --> 00:43:57.154

on the renderings, members of the planning commission, that's

00:43:57.156 --> 00:43:59.490

the planning commission, that's a good question. So access to

00:43:59.492 --> 00:44:01.492

a good question. So access to the site is through the shared 00:44:01.494 --> 00:44:02.293

the site is through the shared driveway on Broadway, which is

00:44:02.295 --> 00:44:03.761

driveway on Broadway, which is on the left side of the screen

00:44:03.763 --> 00:44:05.296

on the left side of the screen there. There is an access on

00:44:05.298 --> 00:44:06.898

there. There is an access on the south side on 76th Avenue,

00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:08.900

the south side on 76th Avenue, but they have a gate that the

00:44:08.902 --> 00:44:10.168

but they have a gate that the fire marshal has said is OK to 00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:12.302

fire marshal has said is OK to stay in place, so access to the

00:44:12.304 --> 00:44:12.971

stay in place, so access to the site is, uh, through the north.

00:44:12.973 --> 00:44:14.439

site is, uh, through the north. right now and they can open up

00:44:14.441 --> 00:44:16.040

right now and they can open up that gate on the south side if

00:44:16.042 --> 00:44:25.449

that gate on the south side if needed for flow of traffic. 00:44:25.451 --> 00:44:30.688

needed for flow of traffic. Michelle here. Your light is on, 00:44:30.690 --> 00:44:33.858

Michelle here. Your light is on, sorry I do have um. I assume,

00:44:33.860 --> 00:44:36.394

sorry I do have um. I assume, um, you know, with regards to

00:44:36.396 --> 00:44:38.662

um, you know, with regards to the parking question that we've

00:44:38.664 --> 00:44:42.366

the parking question that we've been having that um if Uh, 00:44:42.368 --> 00:44:43.667

been having that um if Uh, there's a situation in which

00:44:43.669 --> 00:44:46.337

there's a situation in which the congregation Uh, not the

00:44:46.339 --> 00:44:49.206

the congregation Uh, not the condition numbers grow, I

00:44:49.208 --> 00:44:51.008

condition numbers grow, I assume that the uh service will 00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:53.011

assume that the uh service will be staggered so that it can

00:44:53.013 --> 00:44:53.544

be staggered so that it can accommodate the parking

00:44:53.546 --> 00:44:54.545

accommodate the parking situation. Would that be

00:44:54.547 --> 00:44:58.883

situation. Would that be correct? I cannot speak on the

00:44:58.885 --> 00:44:59.817

correct? I cannot speak on the uh on that assumption I would

00:44:59.819 --> 00:45:03.687

uh on that assumption I would assume so. Thank you. Yeah, 00:45:03.689 --> 00:45:11.262

assume so. Thank you. Yeah, sure. Um, hi, I'm Chris 00:45:11.264 --> 00:45:13.697

sure. Um, hi, I'm Chris Cornelius. I'm the uh potential

00:45:13.699 --> 00:45:14.565

Cornelius. I'm the uh potential builder for the project that

00:45:14.567 --> 00:45:15.166

builder for the project that we're working on getting all

00:45:15.168 --> 00:45:16.767

we're working on getting all these plans and stuff put

00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:19.570

these plans and stuff put together for you. For the

00:45:19.572 --> 00:45:22.173

together for you. For the parking situation, um, the 00:45:22.175 --> 00:45:23.641

parking situation, um, the funeral home uses the parking

00:45:23.643 --> 00:45:25.442

funeral home uses the parking the most, uh, on the shared

00:45:25.444 --> 00:45:26.244

the most, uh, on the shared parking agreement because they

00:45:26.246 --> 00:45:28.513

parking agreement because they have a lot more services during

00:45:28.515 --> 00:45:30.714

have a lot more services during the week, uh, the church 00:45:30.716 --> 00:45:32.382

the week, uh, the church typically has a service on

00:45:32.384 --> 00:45:33.651

typically has a service on Saturday and then they have

00:45:33.653 --> 00:45:35.986

Saturday and then they have some small meetings during the

00:45:35.988 --> 00:45:38.856

some small meetings during the week, so they seldom use the

00:45:38.858 --> 00:45:39.523

week, so they seldom use the parking lot and unfortunately,

00:45:39.525 --> 00:45:41.392

parking lot and unfortunately, the church. was here, he had to 00:45:41.394 --> 00:45:43.194

the church. was here, he had to go to emergency for his kid,

00:45:43.196 --> 00:45:44.662

go to emergency for his kid, unfortunately, so, um, he could

00:45:44.664 --> 00:45:45.730

unfortunately, so, um, he could speak a little bit more on it,

00:45:45.732 --> 00:45:47.598

speak a little bit more on it, but, uh, it's very limited use

00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:49.266

but, uh, it's very limited use on the church side, the funeral

00:45:49.268 --> 00:45:50.067

on the church side, the funeral home uses a lot more than they 00:45:50.069 --> 00:45:55.873

home uses a lot more than they do. I do have a question for

00:45:55.875 --> 00:45:58.075

do. I do have a question for you, uh, uh, and, and maybe

00:45:58.077 --> 00:46:00.011

you, uh, uh, and, and maybe it's uh staff question as well. 00:46:00.013 --> 00:46:03.013

it's uh staff question as well. So I, I'm just looking at the

00:46:03.015 --> 00:46:03.881

So I, I'm just looking at the uh addition there it looks

00:46:03.883 --> 00:46:06.884

uh addition there it looks great, uh, inside, uh, uh, the

00:46:06.886 --> 00:46:11.822

great, uh, inside, uh, uh, the parking, you have a uh uh 00:46:11.824 --> 00:46:15.159

parking, you have a uh uh immersive uh baptism pool on

00:46:15.161 --> 00:46:19.930

immersive uh baptism pool on the stage that they'll be from,

00:46:19.932 --> 00:46:21.832

the stage that they'll be from, uh, uh, do you know if plummy? 00:46:21.834 --> 00:46:24.235

uh, uh, do you know if plummy? Uh, it will be a part of that.

00:46:24.237 --> 00:46:25.436

Uh, it will be a part of that. We're still working on the

00:46:25.438 --> 00:46:26.304

We're still working on the details how that's going to

00:46:26.306 --> 00:46:27.772

details how that's going to drain. We've seen other

00:46:27.774 --> 00:46:29.640

drain. We've seen other churches how they do theirs,

00:46:29.642 --> 00:46:31.475

churches how they do theirs, and we just now come down to 00:46:31.477 --> 00:46:32.176

and we just now come down to the building permit side of

00:46:32.178 --> 00:46:34.312

the building permit side of things of how we finalize that.

00:46:34.314 --> 00:46:36.447

things of how we finalize that. So you are planning on draining

00:46:36.449 --> 00:46:39.050

So you are planning on draining and maybe heating. Possibly

00:46:39.052 --> 00:46:40.718

and maybe heating. Possibly they haven't the church hasn't 00:46:40.720 --> 00:46:41.385

they haven't the church hasn't told us exactly what we're

00:46:41.387 --> 00:46:43.387

told us exactly what we're gonna do on that yet, um, and

00:46:43.389 --> 00:46:44.555

gonna do on that yet, um, and that's gonna come down to when

00:46:44.557 --> 00:46:46.590

that's gonna come down to when we submit our plans, uh, how we

00:46:46.592 --> 00:46:48.959

we submit our plans, uh, how we drain that. OK. Yeah. So I'm

00:46:48.961 --> 00:46:51.462

drain that. OK. Yeah. So I'm just curious on on those if uh 00:46:51.464 --> 00:46:54.065

just curious on on those if uh from a city perspective, if uh,

00:46:54.067 --> 00:46:59.904

from a city perspective, if uh, if that's regulated at all. The

00:46:59.906 --> 00:47:00.605

if that's regulated at all. The immersive pool the churches 00:47:00.607 --> 00:47:01.806

immersive pool the churches we've seen some of them just

00:47:01.808 --> 00:47:04.275

we've seen some of them just flow out. Daylight. That's

00:47:04.277 --> 00:47:06.611

flow out. Daylight. That's correct, yeah, yep, and I some

00:47:06.613 --> 00:47:08.880

correct, yeah, yep, and I some are tied in, so. I I've seen,

00:47:08.882 --> 00:47:11.282

are tied in, so. I I've seen, I've seen that as well. I 00:47:11.284 --> 00:47:14.619

I've seen that as well. I wonder if the, if, if I've even

00:47:14.621 --> 00:47:15.619

wonder if the, if, if I've even seen those without plumbing at

00:47:15.621 --> 00:47:18.055

seen those without plumbing at all. They just use a pump and

00:47:18.057 --> 00:47:20.524

all. They just use a pump and pump it to a a a sink or use a 00:47:20.526 --> 00:47:22.693

pump it to a a a sink or use a water hose to fill it. So I'm

00:47:22.695 --> 00:47:23.627

water hose to fill it. So I'm wondering if there are any

00:47:23.629 --> 00:47:28.699

wondering if there are any rules. Umur gave and members of

00:47:28.701 --> 00:47:30.301

rules. Umur gave and members of the planning commission, I can 00:47:30.303 --> 00:47:32.102

the planning commission, I can say that if there is a, as I

00:47:32.104 --> 00:47:34.171

say that if there is a, as I understand it, a pool on stage

00:47:34.173 --> 00:47:35.439

understand it, a pool on stage that that would be required to

00:47:35.441 --> 00:47:36.107

that that would be required to go through the sewer system,

00:47:36.109 --> 00:47:38.910

go through the sewer system, they would not be allowed to

00:47:38.912 --> 00:47:40.378

they would not be allowed to use stormwater access to drain 00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:41.846

use stormwater access to drain that if that's the question. OK.

00:47:41.848 --> 00:47:45.650

that if that's the question. OK. And you know, the, the filter

00:47:45.652 --> 00:47:46.584

And you know, the, the filter system or anything of that

00:47:46.586 --> 00:47:50.321

system or anything of that nature, you don't think that's 00:47:50.323 --> 00:47:51.389

nature, you don't think that's uh for sanitary reasons. I

00:47:51.391 --> 00:47:52.789

uh for sanitary reasons. I don't think so because the

00:47:52.791 --> 00:47:55.125

don't think so because the sewer system should accept that,

00:47:55.127 --> 00:47:56.527

sewer system should accept that, but our utilities will handle

00:47:56.529 --> 00:47:57.662

but our utilities will handle that when the building permit

00:47:57.664 --> 00:48:01.532

that when the building permit comes through. Sounds good. OK, 00:48:01.534 --> 00:48:06.270

comes through. Sounds good. OK, I can. Oh good. I, I can add to

00:48:06.272 --> 00:48:08.339

I can. Oh good. I, I can add to from my knowledge of it, uh,

00:48:08.341 --> 00:48:11.208

from my knowledge of it, uh, there will be no standing pool. 00:48:11.210 --> 00:48:14.078

there will be no standing pool. Uh, it's only during baptism

00:48:14.080 --> 00:48:17.314

Uh, it's only during baptism that the pool will be up and

00:48:17.316 --> 00:48:20.284

that the pool will be up and It's not also every service 00:48:20.286 --> 00:48:21.619

It's not also every service nowadays that happens. And so

00:48:21.621 --> 00:48:22.819

nowadays that happens. And so how does it drain and uh how do

00:48:22.821 --> 00:48:25.456

how does it drain and uh how do you get water in it? The water

00:48:25.458 --> 00:48:28.359

you get water in it? The water comes from the uh existing line

00:48:28.361 --> 00:48:31.295

comes from the uh existing line of um flow and then it gets, 00:48:31.297 --> 00:48:34.031

of um flow and then it gets, you know, drained out. So, I

00:48:34.033 --> 00:48:36.634

you know, drained out. So, I just, my question is more of a

00:48:36.636 --> 00:48:38.302

just, my question is more of a city, you know, cause I, I, I

00:48:38.304 --> 00:48:39.770

city, you know, cause I, I, I don't know if it's regulated. I

00:48:39.772 --> 00:48:42.239

don't know if it's regulated. I don't think it is and therefore, 00:48:42.241 --> 00:48:43.340

don't think it is and therefore, you know, you don't have to

00:48:43.342 --> 00:48:45.776

you know, you don't have to have any of that. It's my

00:48:45.778 --> 00:48:48.512

have any of that. It's my understanding, but I'm just.

00:48:48.514 --> 00:48:51.648

understanding, but I'm just. Speaking, you know, uh, my 00:48:51.650 --> 00:48:53.584

Speaking, you know, uh, my knowledge, so. OK, that's

00:48:53.586 --> 00:48:54.118

knowledge, so. OK, that's helpful. Thank you. I

00:48:54.120 --> 00:48:57.722

helpful. Thank you. I appreciate that. A All right,

00:48:57.724 --> 00:49:02.593

appreciate that. A All right, uh, Any other questions? All 00:49:02.595 --> 00:49:05.663

uh, Any other questions? All right, uh, can I get a motion,

00:49:05.665 --> 00:49:14.738

right, uh, can I get a motion, uh, for this item. And There 00:49:14.740 --> 00:49:16.273

uh, for this item. And There are 2 motions here. OK, I can

00:49:16.275 --> 00:49:18.208

are 2 motions here. OK, I can go ahead and You know, read the

00:49:18.210 --> 00:49:21.345

go ahead and You know, read the motion and I Motion made to 00:49:21.347 --> 00:49:23.213

motion and I Motion made to recommend approval of site plan

00:49:23.215 --> 00:49:24.748

recommend approval of site plan review for the construction of

00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:27.751

review for the construction of an addition to the existing

00:49:27.753 --> 00:49:31.422

an addition to the existing structure at 7831. Brooklyn 00:49:31.424 --> 00:49:32.356

structure at 7831. Brooklyn Boulevard, subject to the

00:49:32.358 --> 00:49:33.291

Boulevard, subject to the condition and the draft

00:49:33.293 --> 00:49:35.760

condition and the draft resolution. All right, the

00:49:35.762 --> 00:49:38.028

resolution. All right, the motion has been made. Can I get

00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:40.030

motion has been made. Can I get a second, 2nd motion has been 00:49:40.032 --> 00:49:41.699

a second, 2nd motion has been 2nd, um, any further discussion?

00:49:41.701 --> 00:49:47.171

2nd, um, any further discussion? That uh uh let's vote. I'm

00:49:47.173 --> 00:49:56.080

That uh uh let's vote. I'm sorry. To, uh, like the number 00:49:56.082 --> 00:49:59.450

sorry. To, uh, like the number of congregation is not known if

00:49:59.452 --> 00:50:02.386

of congregation is not known if that can be included in the 00:50:02.388 --> 00:50:04.788

that can be included in the condition of the approval would

00:50:04.790 --> 00:50:06.390

condition of the approval would be highly appreciated so that

00:50:06.392 --> 00:50:10.627

be highly appreciated so that we would be able to match the 00:50:10.629 --> 00:50:11.929

we would be able to match the number of parking with a number

00:50:11.931 --> 00:50:16.767

number of parking with a number of Projected Our congregations.

00:50:16.769 --> 00:50:20.937

of Projected Our congregations. Uh, that's, uh, that's a Good 00:50:20.939 --> 00:50:24.375

Uh, that's, uh, that's a Good question, um. Um, obviously, I

00:50:24.377 --> 00:50:26.076

question, um. Um, obviously, I think from, well, city you

00:50:26.078 --> 00:50:28.278

think from, well, city you wanna, you wanna speak to that

00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.748

wanna, you wanna speak to that because I think it's Mr. Chair, 00:50:30.750 --> 00:50:31.349

because I think it's Mr. Chair, Commissioner Kroso and members

00:50:31.351 --> 00:50:33.217

Commissioner Kroso and members of the commission, you know

00:50:33.219 --> 00:50:35.086

of the commission, you know that the parking requirement,

00:50:35.088 --> 00:50:35.986

that the parking requirement, the off-street parking

00:50:35.988 --> 00:50:37.688

the off-street parking requirement, um, is something

00:50:37.690 --> 00:50:38.455

requirement, um, is something that's determined by the zoning

00:50:38.457 --> 00:50:39.957

that's determined by the zoning code. It's written very clearly

00:50:39.959 --> 00:50:41.825

code. It's written very clearly in the zoning code and it's 00:50:41.827 --> 00:50:43.761

in the zoning code and it's based on, uh, as, as, as Kara

00:50:43.763 --> 00:50:45.629

based on, uh, as, as, as Kara wrote in her staff report, it's

00:50:45.631 --> 00:50:47.631

wrote in her staff report, it's based on the number of seats,

00:50:47.633 --> 00:50:49.700

based on the number of seats, the the capacity of the seats

00:50:49.702 --> 00:50:51.568

the the capacity of the seats in the building, not the number 00:50:51.570 --> 00:50:52.903

in the building, not the number of people who actually show up.

00:50:52.905 --> 00:50:55.505

of people who actually show up. Uh, on any for any given

00:50:55.507 --> 00:50:58.442

Uh, on any for any given service or event, um, so, um,

00:50:58.444 --> 00:51:00.978

service or event, um, so, um, it would be, it would be. 00:51:00.980 --> 00:51:01.979

it would be, it would be. Arbitrary and beyond the scope

00:51:01.981 --> 00:51:04.849

Arbitrary and beyond the scope of the of the city ordinance to

00:51:04.851 --> 00:51:06.383

of the of the city ordinance to require them to report to us

00:51:06.385 --> 00:51:08.319

require them to report to us for the purposes of parking,

00:51:08.321 --> 00:51:09.987

for the purposes of parking, how many people are coming to

00:51:09.989 --> 00:51:11.655

how many people are coming to their services. OK, so we, we, 00:51:11.657 --> 00:51:12.989

their services. OK, so we, we, we really shouldn't be imposing

00:51:12.991 --> 00:51:16.393

we really shouldn't be imposing that condition on them. For

00:51:16.395 --> 00:51:21.098

that condition on them. For that, so the number of seats 00:51:21.100 --> 00:51:21.932

that, so the number of seats would match the parking, great,

00:51:21.934 --> 00:51:27.471

would match the parking, great, thank you. Good question. any

00:51:27.473 --> 00:51:31.341

thank you. Good question. any further discussion. All right, 00:51:31.343 --> 00:51:33.911

further discussion. All right, uh, can we vote all in favor?

00:51:33.913 --> 00:51:38.348

uh, can we vote all in favor? Say hi. He oppose Right, motion

00:51:38.350 --> 00:51:43.220

Say hi. He oppose Right, motion carries. Let's go to the 2nd. 00:51:43.222 --> 00:51:44.755

carries. Let's go to the 2nd. Motion made to recommend

00:51:44.757 --> 00:51:47.224

Motion made to recommend approval, adapt and findings of

00:51:47.226 --> 00:51:51.962

approval, adapt and findings of factor. For the approval at a 00:51:51.964 --> 00:51:54.031

factor. For the approval at a variance request for a building

00:51:54.033 --> 00:51:55.365

variance request for a building addition subject to the

00:51:55.367 --> 00:51:55.899

addition subject to the conditions in the draft

00:51:55.901 --> 00:51:58.068

conditions in the draft resolution. All right, motion

00:51:58.070 --> 00:51:59.369

resolution. All right, motion has been made. Can I get a

00:51:59.371 --> 00:52:02.039

has been made. Can I get a second? All right, Ocean has 00:52:02.041 --> 00:52:04.441

second? All right, Ocean has been 2nd, uh, any discussion on

00:52:04.443 --> 00:52:05.576

been 2nd, uh, any discussion on this, right? Further discussion.

00:52:05.578 --> 00:52:10.848

this, right? Further discussion. If not, uh, can we vote all in 00:52:10.850 --> 00:52:14.084

If not, uh, can we vote all in favor say aye. Any opposed? All

00:52:14.086 --> 00:52:15.453

favor say aye. Any opposed? All right, motion carries. This

00:52:15.455 --> 00:52:16.520

right, motion carries. This will be going to city council

00:52:16.522 --> 00:52:21.192

will be going to city council when? This will be going to 00:52:21.194 --> 00:52:22.192

when? This will be going to planning our city council on

00:52:22.194 --> 00:52:25.195

planning our city council on January 27th. January 27th. All

00:52:25.197 --> 00:52:29.967

January 27th. January 27th. All right, great. Thanks. All right,

00:52:29.969 --> 00:52:31.735

right, great. Thanks. All right, we'll move on to, um, Mr. Chair, 00:52:31.737 --> 00:52:32.903

we'll move on to, um, Mr. Chair, I'm sorry, this is probably the

00:52:32.905 --> 00:52:33.671

I'm sorry, this is probably the 3rd time I've interrupted to

00:52:33.673 --> 00:52:34.605

3rd time I've interrupted to this meeting. I don't mean to

00:52:34.607 --> 00:52:38.441

this meeting. I don't mean to do that. Um, if you don't mind,

00:52:38.443 --> 00:52:39.943

do that. Um, if you don't mind, I'd like to go back to, to

00:52:39.945 --> 00:52:41.479

I'd like to go back to, to speak a minute to the previous 00:52:41.481 --> 00:52:43.347

speak a minute to the previous agenda item. Um, it was, I was

00:52:43.349 --> 00:52:45.182

agenda item. Um, it was, I was a little thrown by the, the

00:52:45.184 --> 00:52:48.085

a little thrown by the, the chaos in the room, um, and so I

00:52:48.087 --> 00:52:48.953

chaos in the room, um, and so I wasn't thinking clearly and

00:52:48.955 --> 00:52:50.153

wasn't thinking clearly and frankly, I was a little thrown 00:52:50.155 --> 00:52:52.089

frankly, I was a little thrown by the outcome, the vote

00:52:52.091 --> 00:52:55.960

by the outcome, the vote outcome on that one, So Where

00:52:55.962 --> 00:52:59.630

outcome on that one, So Where we are now is the commission,

00:52:59.632 --> 00:53:01.098

we are now is the commission, um, did not, uh, there was a 00:53:01.100 --> 00:53:02.566

um, did not, uh, there was a motion on the table. There's a

00:53:02.568 --> 00:53:05.435

motion on the table. There's a motion on the floor to approve

00:53:05.437 --> 00:53:06.437

motion on the floor to approve staff recommendation that

00:53:06.439 --> 00:53:07.571

staff recommendation that motion failed, correct? That's

00:53:07.573 --> 00:53:08.906

motion failed, correct? That's correct. And that's where the

00:53:08.908 --> 00:53:12.109

correct. And that's where the commission left it. Um, so as 00:53:12.111 --> 00:53:14.511

commission left it. Um, so as it stands now, Uh, we had staff

00:53:14.513 --> 00:53:16.813

it stands now, Uh, we had staff will report to the to the city

00:53:16.815 --> 00:53:17.515

will report to the to the city council that that that's what

00:53:17.517 --> 00:53:22.152

council that that that's what happened. Um, that is not an 00:53:22.154 --> 00:53:23.120

happened. Um, that is not an affirmative recommendation

00:53:23.122 --> 00:53:24.054

affirmative recommendation recommendation of something to

00:53:24.056 --> 00:53:27.257

recommendation of something to the city council. OK, so, uh,

00:53:27.259 --> 00:53:32.396

the city council. OK, so, uh, you could leave it at that. Um 00:53:32.398 --> 00:53:34.898

you could leave it at that. Um Uh, just to be totally honest,

00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:35.866

Uh, just to be totally honest, I will explain very

00:53:35.868 --> 00:53:36.934

I will explain very vociferously to the city

00:53:36.936 --> 00:53:38.335

vociferously to the city council that is, it is their

00:53:38.337 --> 00:53:40.070

council that is, it is their obligation to approve that 00:53:40.072 --> 00:53:41.138

obligation to approve that subdivision application because

00:53:41.140 --> 00:53:41.872

subdivision application because it meets the requirements of

00:53:41.874 --> 00:53:45.108

it meets the requirements of the code. You could choose, and

00:53:45.110 --> 00:53:46.577

the code. You could choose, and I wouldn't, would not know how

00:53:46.579 --> 00:53:49.947

I wouldn't, would not know how to advise you on this. Um, you

00:53:49.949 --> 00:53:53.817

to advise you on this. Um, you could choose to make a case to 00:53:53.819 --> 00:53:54.818

could choose to make a case to the city council that it does

00:53:54.820 --> 00:53:56.886

the city council that it does not meet. The requirements of

00:53:56.888 --> 00:53:59.690

not meet. The requirements of the zoning code, you'd have to

00:53:59.692 --> 00:54:02.859

the zoning code, you'd have to have some specifics there, um. 00:54:02.861 --> 00:54:05.029

have some specifics there, um. And they could consider that.

00:54:05.031 --> 00:54:06.630

And they could consider that. Um, but I just wanna, I wanna

00:54:06.632 --> 00:54:08.298

Um, but I just wanna, I wanna make sure I'm advising you, uh,

00:54:08.300 --> 00:54:10.033

make sure I'm advising you, uh, on what you, what, where you 00:54:10.035 --> 00:54:13.136

on what you, what, where you are now and what you could do.

00:54:13.138 --> 00:54:16.640

are now and what you could do. Um, you could also entertain

00:54:16.642 --> 00:54:17.374

Um, you could also entertain emotion to reconsider and take

00:54:17.376 --> 00:54:22.946

emotion to reconsider and take another vote. Right. May I ask, 00:54:22.948 --> 00:54:27.117

another vote. Right. May I ask, uh, uh, are there other

00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.252

uh, uh, are there other Implications uh for us, knowing

00:54:29.254 --> 00:54:32.789

Implications uh for us, knowing that, uh, uh, we did not follow, 00:54:32.791 --> 00:54:37.928

that, uh, uh, we did not follow, um, the If you will guiding

00:54:37.930 --> 00:54:38.528

um, the If you will guiding principles set by unders

00:54:38.530 --> 00:54:40.664

principles set by unders understood, Mr. Chair, um, 00:54:40.666 --> 00:54:44.067

understood, Mr. Chair, um, Members of the commission. If

00:54:44.069 --> 00:54:45.069

Members of the commission. If the outcome at the end of the

00:54:45.071 --> 00:54:47.805

the outcome at the end of the day is that the city council

00:54:47.807 --> 00:54:49.940

day is that the city council approves the subdivision. Um,

00:54:49.942 --> 00:54:51.575

approves the subdivision. Um, then I don't have any concerns. 00:54:51.577 --> 00:54:55.045

then I don't have any concerns. Um If the city council takes

00:54:55.047 --> 00:54:56.680

Um If the city council takes advice from the planning

00:54:56.682 --> 00:54:57.615

advice from the planning commission and denies the

00:54:57.617 --> 00:54:58.949

commission and denies the subdivision. I have very

00:54:58.951 --> 00:54:59.950

subdivision. I have very serious legal concerns about

00:54:59.952 --> 00:55:04.421

serious legal concerns about the city's exposure. That's 00:55:04.423 --> 00:55:05.622

the city's exposure. That's what I suspected. I have a

00:55:05.624 --> 00:55:09.626

what I suspected. I have a question. Because I think where

00:55:09.628 --> 00:55:12.496

question. Because I think where my concerns are. And just to be 00:55:12.498 --> 00:55:15.365

my concerns are. And just to be very frank. Mitigation should

00:55:15.367 --> 00:55:17.501

very frank. Mitigation should have been part of this verse is

00:55:17.503 --> 00:55:23.240

have been part of this verse is just what the rules are. 00:55:23.242 --> 00:55:24.441

just what the rules are. Outreach, have conversations,

00:55:24.443 --> 00:55:25.843

Outreach, have conversations, explain this to the neighbors

00:55:25.845 --> 00:55:30.547

explain this to the neighbors because If that was my block. I 00:55:30.549 --> 00:55:32.382

because If that was my block. I would want someone to explain

00:55:32.384 --> 00:55:33.851

would want someone to explain to me, or at least reach out to

00:55:33.853 --> 00:55:37.788

to me, or at least reach out to me. Just reach out to me, let

00:55:37.790 --> 00:55:39.456

me. Just reach out to me, let me know, like mitigation should

00:55:39.458 --> 00:55:42.592

me know, like mitigation should have been part of this. And I 00:55:42.594 --> 00:55:44.928

have been part of this. And I have concerns with just Moving

00:55:44.930 --> 00:55:47.330

have concerns with just Moving something through. And I don't

00:55:47.332 --> 00:55:50.267

something through. And I don't think it was fair. To the 00:55:50.269 --> 00:55:51.535

think it was fair. To the residents to not know what was

00:55:51.537 --> 00:55:55.872

residents to not know what was being moved through. I get it.

00:55:55.874 --> 00:55:57.774

being moved through. I get it. The the owner can do whatever

00:55:57.776 --> 00:56:00.277

The the owner can do whatever the owner wants to do. I 00:56:00.279 --> 00:56:01.311

the owner wants to do. I understand that, but if you're,

00:56:01.313 --> 00:56:02.079

understand that, but if you're, we're talking about being a

00:56:02.081 --> 00:56:05.482

we're talking about being a neighbor. There's mitigation.

00:56:05.484 --> 00:56:06.483

neighbor. There's mitigation. There's some things that we can

00:56:06.485 --> 00:56:09.553

There's some things that we can avoid. And I think maybe that's

00:56:09.555 --> 00:56:10.754

avoid. And I think maybe that's what the neighbor should have 00:56:10.756 --> 00:56:13.356

what the neighbor should have done, be neighborly. Know who

00:56:13.358 --> 00:56:14.758

done, be neighborly. Know who your your neighbors are.

00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.127

your your neighbors are. Explain this. If there was a

00:56:17.129 --> 00:56:18.661

Explain this. If there was a situation that forced her,

00:56:18.663 --> 00:56:21.231

situation that forced her, where she has to do this. I'm 00:56:21.233 --> 00:56:23.400

where she has to do this. I'm not saying that you have to go

00:56:23.402 --> 00:56:24.434

not saying that you have to go into detail about it, but at

00:56:24.436 --> 00:56:28.038

into detail about it, but at least Bring people along. If

00:56:28.040 --> 00:56:32.075

least Bring people along. If this is what you want to do. 00:56:32.077 --> 00:56:34.377

this is what you want to do. Cause that's what neighbors do.

00:56:34.379 --> 00:56:42.052

Cause that's what neighbors do. But Um, uh, thank you, uh, 00:56:42.054 --> 00:56:42.853

But Um, uh, thank you, uh, Commissioner, in a perfect

00:56:42.855 --> 00:56:45.122

Commissioner, in a perfect world. I would agree with you,

00:56:45.124 --> 00:56:47.725

world. I would agree with you, but this is not a perfect world.

00:56:47.727 --> 00:56:51.795

but this is not a perfect world. Um, this is a Maybe you might 00:56:51.797 --> 00:56:52.763

Um, this is a Maybe you might call it a complex as I would

00:56:52.765 --> 00:56:55.732

call it a complex as I would just, you know, situation.

00:56:55.734 --> 00:56:57.134

just, you know, situation. You've got the rights of the

00:56:57.136 --> 00:56:58.235

You've got the rights of the owner to do whatever they want

00:56:58.237 --> 00:57:00.470

owner to do whatever they want to do with their property. And 00:57:00.472 --> 00:57:02.806

to do with their property. And you've got, uh, you know, the

00:57:02.808 --> 00:57:03.741

you've got, uh, you know, the neighbors who've lived there

00:57:03.743 --> 00:57:05.675

neighbors who've lived there for a long time who want to

00:57:05.677 --> 00:57:06.343

for a long time who want to impose their own set up of

00:57:06.345 --> 00:57:08.411

impose their own set up of morality. And we're going to

00:57:08.413 --> 00:57:10.347

morality. And we're going to use that those strong words on 00:57:10.349 --> 00:57:11.481

use that those strong words on the propaganda. We, we don't

00:57:11.483 --> 00:57:14.151

the propaganda. We, we don't know what the owner. You know,

00:57:14.153 --> 00:57:16.153

know what the owner. You know, what the situation is, maybe we

00:57:16.155 --> 00:57:18.889

what the situation is, maybe we might have an aging parents, um,

00:57:18.891 --> 00:57:21.090

might have an aging parents, um, maybe, um. You know, uh, you 00:57:21.092 --> 00:57:22.492

maybe, um. You know, uh, you know, you know, uh, a child,

00:57:22.494 --> 00:57:26.296

know, you know, uh, a child, you know, that has a uh no no

00:57:26.298 --> 00:57:27.697

you know, that has a uh no no special needs. We don't know

00:57:27.699 --> 00:57:28.565

special needs. We don't know all that, you know, so that

00:57:28.567 --> 00:57:32.703

all that, you know, so that honor. Has to take care of him 00:57:32.705 --> 00:57:35.572

honor. Has to take care of him or herself before he listens to

00:57:35.574 --> 00:57:36.974

or herself before he listens to the uh uh the neighbors who,

00:57:36.976 --> 00:57:38.575

the uh uh the neighbors who, who wants to see Turkey. I mean,

00:57:38.577 --> 00:57:40.244

who wants to see Turkey. I mean, I, I, I do want to see Turkey 00:57:40.246 --> 00:57:42.512

I, I, I do want to see Turkey or wildlife. But then again,

00:57:42.514 --> 00:57:44.314

or wildlife. But then again, you know, you know, we, we, we,

00:57:44.316 --> 00:57:46.149

you know, you know, we, we, we, we, we have to look at that

00:57:46.151 --> 00:57:48.785

we, we have to look at that situation. And besides, If the

00:57:48.787 --> 00:57:49.453

situation. And besides, If the neighborhood has that kind of

00:57:49.455 --> 00:57:52.055

neighborhood has that kind of power. What makes you think 00:57:52.057 --> 00:57:53.323

power. What makes you think that excuse me, what what makes

00:57:53.325 --> 00:57:54.391

that excuse me, what what makes you think they they they won't

00:57:54.393 --> 00:57:57.060

you think they they they won't use it. And in other words,

00:57:57.062 --> 00:57:59.362

use it. And in other words, like, uh, we, we don't like the

00:57:59.364 --> 00:58:00.063

like, uh, we, we don't like the height of that person, you know, 00:58:00.065 --> 00:58:01.999

height of that person, you know, coming in. We don't like this.

00:58:02.001 --> 00:58:03.466

coming in. We don't like this. Let's make issues out of this

00:58:03.468 --> 00:58:04.801

Let's make issues out of this to get that, that, that, that,

00:58:04.803 --> 00:58:06.203

to get that, that, that, that, you know, trouble for that

00:58:06.205 --> 00:58:08.338

you know, trouble for that person to, to be out of there.

00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:11.074

person to, to be out of there. So, um, I am I understand, you 00:58:11.076 --> 00:58:12.142

So, um, I am I understand, you know, that, you know, and and

00:58:12.144 --> 00:58:14.144

know, that, you know, and and if I'm buying a house, I'm I'm

00:58:14.146 --> 00:58:15.746

if I'm buying a house, I'm I'm not gonna go check check with

00:58:15.748 --> 00:58:16.813

not gonna go check check with the neighbors, get, get, get,

00:58:16.815 --> 00:58:18.582

the neighbors, get, get, get, get that, you know, that, that

00:58:18.584 --> 00:58:20.050

get that, you know, that, that permission to live there or not 00:58:20.052 --> 00:58:21.551

permission to live there or not live there. I'll buy the house

00:58:21.553 --> 00:58:23.153

live there. I'll buy the house if they like me, that's fine.

00:58:23.155 --> 00:58:24.688

if they like me, that's fine. You know, that's that's the

00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:26.556

You know, that's that's the perfect world. If they don't,

00:58:26.558 --> 00:58:27.557

perfect world. If they don't, that's also fine. You know, I

00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.693

that's also fine. You know, I don't have to force anybody. So,

00:58:29.695 --> 00:58:32.696

don't have to force anybody. So, so my take is You know, um, if, 00:58:32.698 --> 00:58:34.497

so my take is You know, um, if, if the neighborhood have this

00:58:34.499 --> 00:58:36.900

if the neighborhood have this kind of passion. Why didn't

00:58:36.902 --> 00:58:37.834

kind of passion. Why didn't they go talk to the owner and

00:58:37.836 --> 00:58:38.969

they go talk to the owner and say, you know what, these are

00:58:38.971 --> 00:58:41.171

say, you know what, these are our concerns. Why, why do I 00:58:41.173 --> 00:58:44.574

our concerns. Why, why do I have to come in, so so so no,

00:58:44.576 --> 00:58:47.577

have to come in, so so so no, the owner so no, the owner to

00:58:47.579 --> 00:58:49.712

the owner so no, the owner to avoid this. Can I to avoid this.

00:58:49.714 --> 00:58:50.513

avoid this. Can I to avoid this. Can I to avoid this. Can I get, 00:58:50.515 --> 00:58:52.849

Can I to avoid this. Can I get, I get no, no, no, we, we're not

00:58:52.851 --> 00:58:55.652

I get no, no, no, we, we're not gonna, we, we can't go back and

00:58:55.654 --> 00:58:56.786

gonna, we, we can't go back and forth, yeah, you think we

00:58:56.788 --> 00:58:57.654

forth, yeah, you think we should look back on it, on it,

00:58:57.656 --> 00:58:59.189

should look back on it, on it, and I want to give the reason

00:58:59.191 --> 00:59:01.324

and I want to give the reason why I voted against it. I think 00:59:01.326 --> 00:59:04.461

why I voted against it. I think it, it, it does that uh owner

00:59:04.463 --> 00:59:05.462

it, it, it does that uh owner was actually interested in

00:59:05.464 --> 00:59:06.429

was actually interested in doing something that, that,

00:59:06.431 --> 00:59:07.997

doing something that, that, that, that is worthwhile. They

00:59:07.999 --> 00:59:09.065

that, that is worthwhile. They should have been here too, so

00:59:09.067 --> 00:59:09.733

should have been here too, so they can explain because I'm

00:59:09.735 --> 00:59:11.468

they can explain because I'm not gonna go get. I'm not gonna 00:59:11.470 --> 00:59:16.005

not gonna go get. I'm not gonna guess what they think. OK,

00:59:16.007 --> 00:59:16.806

guess what they think. OK, great. I vote against it

00:59:16.808 --> 00:59:17.841

great. I vote against it because I don't even know what

00:59:17.843 --> 00:59:19.809

because I don't even know what they're thinking, right? And I

00:59:19.811 --> 00:59:21.411

they're thinking, right? And I can imagine, I would sit down 00:59:21.413 --> 00:59:23.213

can imagine, I would sit down to make up what they think is,

00:59:23.215 --> 00:59:24.681

to make up what they think is, is the reason they are doing it

00:59:24.683 --> 00:59:29.086

is the reason they are doing it for. So when I see that, I

00:59:29.088 --> 00:59:29.953

for. So when I see that, I appreciate the comment in the

00:59:29.955 --> 00:59:31.021

appreciate the comment in the presentation, there was nothing 00:59:31.023 --> 00:59:34.391

presentation, there was nothing to convince me in this

00:59:34.393 --> 00:59:35.358

to convince me in this presentation. Commissioner Waco,

00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.361

presentation. Commissioner Waco, thank you. I, I just wanna, uh,

00:59:37.363 --> 00:59:39.229

thank you. I, I just wanna, uh, I think, uh, just a little bit

00:59:39.231 --> 00:59:40.897

I think, uh, just a little bit uh to be back, uh, let's, let's 00:59:40.899 --> 00:59:43.433

uh to be back, uh, let's, let's pull back a little bit our

00:59:43.435 --> 00:59:45.435

pull back a little bit our conversations and kind of uh.

00:59:45.437 --> 00:59:47.104

conversations and kind of uh. procedural question, uh, the

00:59:47.106 --> 00:59:49.372

procedural question, uh, the procedural question is we. The

00:59:49.374 --> 00:59:52.309

procedural question is we. The agenda is duly presented. We 00:59:52.311 --> 00:59:54.444

agenda is duly presented. We deliberated is for action.

00:59:54.446 --> 00:59:56.046

deliberated is for action. Action could be in the favor.

00:59:56.048 --> 00:59:58.515

Action could be in the favor. Or in the know. There's no

00:59:58.517 --> 01:00:00.517

Or in the know. There's no option. If there is option 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:01.384

option. If there is option already with expectation of

01:00:01.386 --> 01:00:03.753

already with expectation of just in the in the in the case

01:00:03.755 --> 01:00:05.121

just in the in the in the case of just positive affirmative,

01:00:05.123 --> 01:00:07.090

of just positive affirmative, then, you know, we are not

01:00:07.092 --> 01:00:08.725

then, you know, we are not doing a due diligence and

01:00:08.727 --> 01:00:10.260

doing a due diligence and making a, a conscious that may 01:00:10.262 --> 01:00:12.429

making a, a conscious that may be right, it may be wrong, but

01:00:12.431 --> 01:00:14.063

be right, it may be wrong, but we're making our conscious

01:00:14.065 --> 01:00:15.098

we're making our conscious decisions after deliberation.

01:00:15.100 --> 01:00:17.134

decisions after deliberation. So that's what we have done. It

01:00:17.136 --> 01:00:20.069

So that's what we have done. It may not be to the satisfactory 01:00:20.071 --> 01:00:22.606

may not be to the satisfactory of anybody. But the majority of

01:00:22.608 --> 01:00:25.342

of anybody. But the majority of these parties spoke. And we

01:00:25.344 --> 01:00:27.277

these parties spoke. And we cannot just go down the rabbit

01:00:27.279 --> 01:00:29.212

cannot just go down the rabbit hole and now why we did the way

01:00:29.214 --> 01:00:30.413

hole and now why we did the way we did and I think procedurally. 01:00:30.415 --> 01:00:33.951

we did and I think procedurally. That's not right to go there

01:00:33.953 --> 01:00:39.389

That's not right to go there right now and we have do. He

01:00:39.391 --> 01:00:40.023

right now and we have do. He deliberated, everybody made 01:00:40.025 --> 01:00:42.492

deliberated, everybody made their mind. And conscious with

01:00:42.494 --> 01:00:44.294

their mind. And conscious with full information. And made a

01:00:44.296 --> 01:00:46.062

full information. And made a decision. That's correct, and

01:00:46.064 --> 01:00:47.431

decision. That's correct, and we're gonna, we're gonna live

01:00:47.433 --> 01:00:49.999

we're gonna, we're gonna live if we're gonna revisit again, 01:00:50.001 --> 01:00:52.369

if we're gonna revisit again, that's in order if we're gonna

01:00:52.371 --> 01:00:53.870

that's in order if we're gonna and other than that, I think,

01:00:53.872 --> 01:00:56.306

and other than that, I think, uh, you know, uh, to rehash as

01:00:56.308 --> 01:00:58.108

uh, you know, uh, to rehash as to why I took certain actions,

01:00:58.110 --> 01:01:01.011

to why I took certain actions, why I did this, I think, I 01:01:01.013 --> 01:01:02.746

why I did this, I think, I think it's not procedurally.

01:01:02.748 --> 01:01:04.314

think it's not procedurally. Appropriate at this moment is

01:01:04.316 --> 01:01:06.650

Appropriate at this moment is what I feel. Thank you. Can I

01:01:06.652 --> 01:01:08.518

what I feel. Thank you. Can I ask a procedural Commissioner

01:01:08.520 --> 01:01:11.655

ask a procedural Commissioner Frasier, you wanna. Yes, so, um, 01:01:11.657 --> 01:01:13.523

Frasier, you wanna. Yes, so, um, I just want to say I, I

01:01:13.525 --> 01:01:16.860

I just want to say I, I understand that this was a an

01:01:16.862 --> 01:01:18.795

understand that this was a an emotional and complex situation.

01:01:18.797 --> 01:01:19.929

emotional and complex situation. I too enjoy green space. That's

01:01:19.931 --> 01:01:22.666

I too enjoy green space. That's why I moved to Brooklyn Park, 01:01:22.668 --> 01:01:24.334

why I moved to Brooklyn Park, so I definitely understood what

01:01:24.336 --> 01:01:25.201

so I definitely understood what the residents, where they were

01:01:25.203 --> 01:01:28.672

the residents, where they were coming from. I think our

01:01:28.674 --> 01:01:31.474

coming from. I think our responsibility as a planning 01:01:31.476 --> 01:01:33.209

responsibility as a planning commission is to um approve

01:01:33.211 --> 01:01:35.611

commission is to um approve things based on the zoning code

01:01:35.613 --> 01:01:37.080

things based on the zoning code and sometimes those are

01:01:37.082 --> 01:01:38.882

and sometimes those are difficult decisions that we

01:01:38.884 --> 01:01:40.750

difficult decisions that we have to make, um, with that 01:01:40.752 --> 01:01:43.420

have to make, um, with that said, I think in situations

01:01:43.422 --> 01:01:46.523

said, I think in situations like this, we need where we are

01:01:46.525 --> 01:01:49.459

like this, we need where we are not able to make a decision

01:01:49.461 --> 01:01:52.028

not able to make a decision based on what we've heard, I 01:01:52.030 --> 01:01:55.732

based on what we've heard, I think, um, In my opinion, it's

01:01:55.734 --> 01:01:59.602

think, um, In my opinion, it's best for us to defer that and

01:01:59.604 --> 01:02:02.039

best for us to defer that and recommend, uh, you know, and 01:02:02.041 --> 01:02:04.574

recommend, uh, you know, and come back to it because I. I

01:02:04.576 --> 01:02:09.879

come back to it because I. I think There could have been

01:02:09.881 --> 01:02:10.780

think There could have been deferment for more conversation 01:02:10.782 --> 01:02:13.616

deferment for more conversation cause I felt like the, the

01:02:13.618 --> 01:02:16.853

cause I felt like the, the residents were not as informed

01:02:16.855 --> 01:02:18.721

residents were not as informed of the situation and that kind

01:02:18.723 --> 01:02:20.457

of the situation and that kind of triggered some, some of the 01:02:20.459 --> 01:02:22.959

of triggered some, some of the things that we saw today. So I

01:02:22.961 --> 01:02:25.996

things that we saw today. So I think that in the future, uh,

01:02:25.998 --> 01:02:29.132

think that in the future, uh, it might be helpful to defer

01:02:29.134 --> 01:02:32.469

it might be helpful to defer until some of those 01:02:32.471 --> 01:02:34.071

until some of those conversations occur with the,

01:02:34.073 --> 01:02:35.905

conversations occur with the, the neighbor, not saying that

01:02:35.907 --> 01:02:38.541

the neighbor, not saying that it will change any decisions,

01:02:38.543 --> 01:02:41.010

it will change any decisions, but to make sure that people 01:02:41.012 --> 01:02:44.981

but to make sure that people are heard, um. And they

01:02:44.983 --> 01:02:46.683

are heard, um. And they understand what our obligations

01:02:46.685 --> 01:02:51.154

understand what our obligations are. OK, so thank you. I echo 01:02:51.156 --> 01:02:52.221

are. OK, so thank you. I echo what you were gonna say what

01:02:52.223 --> 01:02:54.424

what you were gonna say what you said and what you said is

01:02:54.426 --> 01:02:56.426

you said and what you said is to I feel like my obligation is

01:02:56.428 --> 01:02:57.760

to I feel like my obligation is to acknowledge that there's

01:02:57.762 --> 01:03:00.296

to acknowledge that there's rules in place, and we have a 01:03:00.298 --> 01:03:01.430

rules in place, and we have a community that we represent

01:03:01.432 --> 01:03:02.732

community that we represent that has concerns that they are

01:03:02.734 --> 01:03:04.767

that has concerns that they are here to speak of. And when we

01:03:04.769 --> 01:03:05.969

here to speak of. And when we can't answer that, whether it's

01:03:05.971 --> 01:03:07.570

can't answer that, whether it's in a different meeting or we

01:03:07.572 --> 01:03:10.507

in a different meeting or we give time, I'd be happy to 01:03:10.509 --> 01:03:11.174

give time, I'd be happy to entertain this conversation

01:03:11.176 --> 01:03:15.145

entertain this conversation again when When we have all the

01:03:15.147 --> 01:03:16.246

again when When we have all the information for, for me as a

01:03:16.248 --> 01:03:18.882

information for, for me as a representative of the people to

01:03:18.884 --> 01:03:20.784

representative of the people to have this many people giving me 01:03:20.786 --> 01:03:21.584

have this many people giving me feedback that something's wrong

01:03:21.586 --> 01:03:22.986

feedback that something's wrong here. I need to take a deep

01:03:22.988 --> 01:03:25.322

here. I need to take a deep breath and, and I'm curious

01:03:25.324 --> 01:03:26.322

breath and, and I'm curious procedurally, could this come

01:03:26.324 --> 01:03:28.057

procedurally, could this come back in front of us before it

01:03:28.059 --> 01:03:30.127

back in front of us before it goes to city council. When 01:03:30.129 --> 01:03:31.127

goes to city council. When something else happens for

01:03:31.129 --> 01:03:32.529

something else happens for whatever is the reason that we

01:03:32.531 --> 01:03:33.864

whatever is the reason that we have this many people. Um,

01:03:33.866 --> 01:03:35.331

have this many people. Um, that's what I feel is part of

01:03:35.333 --> 01:03:36.399

that's what I feel is part of that, that feeling of like, I

01:03:36.401 --> 01:03:37.934

that, that feeling of like, I can't move that forward when

01:03:37.936 --> 01:03:38.768

can't move that forward when there's something there there.

01:03:38.770 --> 01:03:43.940

there's something there there. Sounds great. Right, and then 01:03:43.942 --> 01:03:46.009

Sounds great. Right, and then again that's and I understand

01:03:46.011 --> 01:03:51.481

again that's and I understand all of that, you know, um. I, 01:03:51.483 --> 01:03:54.017

all of that, you know, um. I, uh, and, and I hear you, Paul.

01:03:54.019 --> 01:04:00.156

uh, and, and I hear you, Paul. Well, uh, uh, but I, uh, uh. 01:04:00.158 --> 01:04:04.560

Well, uh, uh, but I, uh, uh. Procedurally, uh, I think the,

01:04:04.562 --> 01:04:05.895

Procedurally, uh, I think the, uh, uh, the commissioners heard

01:04:05.897 --> 01:04:08.798

uh, uh, the commissioners heard the residents and they made a

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:10.700

the residents and they made a decision and the decision was 01:04:10.702 --> 01:04:14.237

decision and the decision was not to uh uh approved. Uh, we

01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.039

not to uh uh approved. Uh, we understand your position that

01:04:16.041 --> 01:04:18.508

understand your position that you'll take that recommendation

01:04:18.510 --> 01:04:22.946

you'll take that recommendation to or let the city council know 01:04:22.948 --> 01:04:24.647

to or let the city council know and uh obviously uh let them

01:04:24.649 --> 01:04:26.249

and uh obviously uh let them know their role and

01:04:26.251 --> 01:04:27.183

know their role and responsibility and they will

01:04:27.185 --> 01:04:30.186

responsibility and they will decide. Accordingly, right? And 01:04:30.188 --> 01:04:32.789

decide. Accordingly, right? And so I think we've made our

01:04:32.791 --> 01:04:36.793

so I think we've made our decision, uh, and, uh, Uh, we

01:04:36.795 --> 01:04:39.128

decision, uh, and, uh, Uh, we understand your position. I go,

01:04:39.130 --> 01:04:40.730

understand your position. I go, Mr. Chair, I completely 01:04:40.732 --> 01:04:42.532

Mr. Chair, I completely appreciate that. My, my main

01:04:42.534 --> 01:04:43.900

appreciate that. My, my main intention was simply to make

01:04:43.902 --> 01:04:46.336

intention was simply to make sure because the parts that I

01:04:46.338 --> 01:04:47.804

sure because the parts that I neglected to say at right after

01:04:47.806 --> 01:04:50.206

neglected to say at right after the vote was, you may want to 01:04:50.208 --> 01:04:51.741

the vote was, you may want to take advantage of the

01:04:51.743 --> 01:04:54.143

take advantage of the opportunity you have to make,

01:04:54.145 --> 01:04:56.079

opportunity you have to make, uh, an affirmative case of some

01:04:56.081 --> 01:04:56.980

uh, an affirmative case of some sort to the planning commission,

01:04:56.982 --> 01:04:58.681

sort to the planning commission, because my, you know, uh, I'm a

01:04:58.683 --> 01:05:00.149

because my, you know, uh, I'm a big defender of the planning 01:05:00.151 --> 01:05:01.484

big defender of the planning commission. Uh, I love you all

01:05:01.486 --> 01:05:03.019

commission. Uh, I love you all as individuals and as a body,

01:05:03.021 --> 01:05:07.290

as individuals and as a body, and I, I want your voice to be

01:05:07.292 --> 01:05:08.024

and I, I want your voice to be inform informing the decisions

01:05:08.026 --> 01:05:10.693

inform informing the decisions that the that City council is 01:05:10.695 --> 01:05:14.364

that the that City council is making, um, and, um, so, and

01:05:14.366 --> 01:05:16.432

making, um, and, um, so, and that's and that's the typical

01:05:16.434 --> 01:05:18.901

that's and that's the typical way it goes, um, in any city in

01:05:18.903 --> 01:05:19.735

way it goes, um, in any city in a relationship between a

01:05:19.737 --> 01:05:22.105

a relationship between a planning commission and a city 01:05:22.107 --> 01:05:24.140

planning commission and a city council is, um, if the council,

01:05:24.142 --> 01:05:26.909

council is, um, if the council, or sorry, if the planning

01:05:26.911 --> 01:05:28.578

or sorry, if the planning commission is recommending, um,

01:05:28.580 --> 01:05:29.478

commission is recommending, um, denial of an application,

01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:31.114

denial of an application, they're going to include 01:05:31.116 --> 01:05:32.882

they're going to include reasons, um, you know, findings

01:05:32.884 --> 01:05:34.784

reasons, um, you know, findings of fact, uh, for the council to,

01:05:34.786 --> 01:05:36.753

of fact, uh, for the council to, to chew on uh in a way when

01:05:36.755 --> 01:05:37.853

to chew on uh in a way when they make their final decision.

01:05:37.855 --> 01:05:39.122

they make their final decision. So that that was. The main

01:05:39.124 --> 01:05:42.124

So that that was. The main intent of my, of what I was, um, 01:05:42.126 --> 01:05:42.992

intent of my, of what I was, um, suggesting to make sure you

01:05:42.994 --> 01:05:46.062

suggesting to make sure you understand you have the

01:05:46.064 --> 01:05:46.763

understand you have the opportunity to do that because

01:05:46.765 --> 01:05:48.064

opportunity to do that because that's what I was stumbling on,

01:05:48.066 --> 01:05:49.332

that's what I was stumbling on, where do I have that

01:05:49.334 --> 01:05:50.633

where do I have that opportunity to explain my vote. 01:05:50.635 --> 01:05:52.101

opportunity to explain my vote. Well, and so that, so that

01:05:52.103 --> 01:05:53.502

Well, and so that, so that would be something that the,

01:05:53.504 --> 01:05:54.570

would be something that the, the planning commission would,

01:05:54.572 --> 01:05:55.672

the planning commission would, you know, deliberate. Somebody

01:05:55.674 --> 01:05:56.939

you know, deliberate. Somebody would have to make a motion,

01:05:56.941 --> 01:05:59.008

would have to make a motion, you know, I hear the reasons

01:05:59.010 --> 01:06:01.678

you know, I hear the reasons I'm laying out about why this 01:06:01.680 --> 01:06:04.681

I'm laying out about why this doesn't um meet the, the

01:06:04.683 --> 01:06:05.682

doesn't um meet the, the subdivision regulations, um,

01:06:05.684 --> 01:06:07.083

subdivision regulations, um, and then you, you, you know,

01:06:07.085 --> 01:06:08.618

and then you, you, you know, just like any other motion, uh,

01:06:08.620 --> 01:06:10.086

just like any other motion, uh, you'd, you'd take about to 01:06:10.088 --> 01:06:11.287

you'd, you'd take about to forward that on. You don't have

01:06:11.289 --> 01:06:12.622

forward that on. You don't have to do it. I just wanted to make

01:06:12.624 --> 01:06:13.490

to do it. I just wanted to make sure you understood the

01:06:13.492 --> 01:06:17.627

sure you understood the opportunity to do that. So you,

01:06:17.629 --> 01:06:20.029

opportunity to do that. So you, you find a way to articulate 01:06:20.031 --> 01:06:28.871

you find a way to articulate why this doesn't meet the. to,

01:06:28.873 --> 01:06:30.840

why this doesn't meet the. to, um, you know, the city council. 01:06:30.842 --> 01:06:36.446

um, you know, the city council. Uh, to, um, To ourselves and to

01:06:36.448 --> 01:06:37.513

Uh, to, um, To ourselves and to the people, you know, who came

01:06:37.515 --> 01:06:40.283

the people, you know, who came to us for, for guidance to 01:06:40.285 --> 01:06:42.251

to us for, for guidance to explain why we deviated from,

01:06:42.253 --> 01:06:44.120

explain why we deviated from, you know, you know, from, from

01:06:44.122 --> 01:06:48.725

you know, you know, from, from the letdown procedure. And and

01:06:48.727 --> 01:06:49.558

the letdown procedure. And and but otherwise. So I will, I

01:06:49.560 --> 01:07:02.472

but otherwise. So I will, I will make that motion. I don't 01:07:02.474 --> 01:07:04.540

will make that motion. I don't know if anyone here can, well,

01:07:04.542 --> 01:07:07.944

know if anyone here can, well, maybe I shouldn't speak, uh,

01:07:07.946 --> 01:07:09.412

maybe I shouldn't speak, uh, can articulate why this doesn't

01:07:09.414 --> 01:07:14.884

can articulate why this doesn't meet the zoning. Regulations, 01:07:14.886 --> 01:07:17.286

meet the zoning. Regulations, right? And so we're just going,

01:07:17.288 --> 01:07:18.755

right? And so we're just going, we're just going to, I know

01:07:18.757 --> 01:07:21.424

we're just going to, I know this is my opinion, we're just 01:07:21.426 --> 01:07:24.561

this is my opinion, we're just going to talk about what Staff

01:07:24.563 --> 01:07:26.363

going to talk about what Staff or what the the neighbors and

01:07:26.365 --> 01:07:27.963

or what the the neighbors and everyone else would say it

01:07:27.965 --> 01:07:32.101

everyone else would say it won't be based off. Rules and 01:07:32.103 --> 01:07:34.704

won't be based off. Rules and regulations. Well, we do have

01:07:34.706 --> 01:07:37.640

regulations. Well, we do have the rules and And this is a

01:07:37.642 --> 01:07:38.375

the rules and And this is a situation that has happened to

01:07:38.377 --> 01:07:41.244

situation that has happened to me. You know, I bought a piece 01:07:41.246 --> 01:07:43.446

me. You know, I bought a piece of land in Saint Francis. You

01:07:43.448 --> 01:07:47.049

of land in Saint Francis. You know, 3 or 4 acres. You know,

01:07:47.051 --> 01:07:48.985

know, 3 or 4 acres. You know, they never thought I was gonna

01:07:48.987 --> 01:07:49.853

they never thought I was gonna do some, some development with

01:07:49.855 --> 01:07:52.588

do some, some development with it or whatever. And they sent 01:07:52.590 --> 01:07:53.456

it or whatever. And they sent in some representatives to come

01:07:53.458 --> 01:07:54.857

in some representatives to come and talk to me, and that's what

01:07:54.859 --> 01:07:55.991

and talk to me, and that's what should have happened here. You

01:07:55.993 --> 01:07:57.060

should have happened here. You know, you know, they thought

01:07:57.062 --> 01:07:57.860

know, you know, they thought and I say, hey, you know, we,

01:07:57.862 --> 01:07:59.695

and I say, hey, you know, we, we, we like this land, um, you

01:07:59.697 --> 01:08:01.264

we, we like this land, um, you know, you know, and they are 01:08:01.266 --> 01:08:02.098

know, you know, and they are very nicely said, do you don't

01:08:02.100 --> 01:08:03.098

very nicely said, do you don't want to do anything with it,

01:08:03.100 --> 01:08:03.800

want to do anything with it, please don't do anything with

01:08:03.802 --> 01:08:05.201

please don't do anything with it. We like it this way. And I,

01:08:05.203 --> 01:08:07.136

it. We like it this way. And I, I, you know, luckily I didn't

01:08:07.138 --> 01:08:08.738

I, you know, luckily I didn't plan on doing anything with it.

01:08:08.740 --> 01:08:10.807

plan on doing anything with it. But, you know, I kind of played 01:08:10.809 --> 01:08:12.675

But, you know, I kind of played along, I know, you know, I did

01:08:12.677 --> 01:08:14.677

along, I know, you know, I did him a big favor and, you know,

01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:15.878

him a big favor and, you know, and he settled down, but that's

01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:16.812

and he settled down, but that's what should have happened here,

01:08:16.814 --> 01:08:18.013

what should have happened here, you know, this was not the form.

01:08:18.015 --> 01:08:23.820

you know, this was not the form. that to to to happen and we 01:08:23.822 --> 01:08:25.221

that to to to happen and we Went along with it instead of

01:08:25.223 --> 01:08:26.222

Went along with it instead of going to what we were supposed

01:08:26.224 --> 01:08:27.690

going to what we were supposed to do, which is said yes and no.

01:08:27.692 --> 01:08:29.292

to do, which is said yes and no. Does it meet the criteria? Yes,

01:08:29.294 --> 01:08:31.828

Does it meet the criteria? Yes, it doesn't, no. And then advise 01:08:31.830 --> 01:08:33.629

it doesn't, no. And then advise them to do some something

01:08:33.631 --> 01:08:35.364

them to do some something different or like she said,

01:08:35.366 --> 01:08:36.699

different or like she said, maybe say, hey. Go that live

01:08:36.701 --> 01:08:38.968

maybe say, hey. Go that live and come back. But since we did

01:08:38.970 --> 01:08:41.437

and come back. But since we did not do that, You know, and we 01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:42.505

not do that, You know, and we just sent a thing to the, to

01:08:42.507 --> 01:08:44.340

just sent a thing to the, to the council, the city council,

01:08:44.342 --> 01:08:47.243

the council, the city council, saying, OK. Um, the, the part

01:08:47.245 --> 01:08:51.447

saying, OK. Um, the, the part was we Um, did you know we 01:08:51.449 --> 01:08:52.849

was we Um, did you know we neglected to do what you said,

01:08:52.851 --> 01:08:53.649

neglected to do what you said, you know, that what was

01:08:53.651 --> 01:08:54.717

you know, that what was assigned to us, which is yes or

01:08:54.719 --> 01:08:57.720

assigned to us, which is yes or no. You know, we, we know we

01:08:57.722 --> 01:09:00.056

no. You know, we, we know we got to consider that even if it 01:09:00.058 --> 01:09:02.959

got to consider that even if it met the criteria. So we use

01:09:02.961 --> 01:09:04.427

met the criteria. So we use some other arbitrary cri

01:09:04.429 --> 01:09:05.461

some other arbitrary cri criteria and, and we, we, you

01:09:05.463 --> 01:09:07.530

criteria and, and we, we, you know, we, we rejected it. You

01:09:07.532 --> 01:09:09.132

know, we, we rejected it. You know, and, you know, if that

01:09:09.134 --> 01:09:10.433

know, and, you know, if that happened, then, you know, then 01:09:10.435 --> 01:09:11.868

happened, then, you know, then that's, there's some questions

01:09:11.870 --> 01:09:14.303

that's, there's some questions that may be asked, why do we do

01:09:14.305 --> 01:09:15.838

that may be asked, why do we do that? I think I don't know,

01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:17.273

that? I think I don't know, maybe you guys can correct me

01:09:17.275 --> 01:09:18.942

maybe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but you voted yes

01:09:18.944 --> 01:09:23.813

if I'm wrong, but you voted yes or no. My, they voted yes or no, 01:09:23.815 --> 01:09:30.052

or no. My, they voted yes or no, right? And so why we split in 01:09:30.054 --> 01:09:31.420

right? And so why we split in the past. OK. Why is this any

01:09:31.422 --> 01:09:36.893

the past. OK. Why is this any different? We split our votes

01:09:36.895 --> 01:09:39.696

different? We split our votes in the pad. We we were you know

01:09:39.698 --> 01:09:42.098

in the pad. We we were you know things that were not moved 01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:43.132

things that were not moved forward or recommended that it

01:09:43.134 --> 01:09:44.600

forward or recommended that it didn't, you know, we've done

01:09:44.602 --> 01:09:47.003

didn't, you know, we've done this in the past. Why is this

01:09:47.005 --> 01:09:49.972

this in the past. Why is this one different? I appreciate.

01:09:49.974 --> 01:09:52.107

one different? I appreciate. Can we go back and revisit this 01:09:52.109 --> 01:09:54.443

Can we go back and revisit this later. I, I still think

01:09:54.445 --> 01:09:57.714

later. I, I still think mitigation is important. You

01:09:57.716 --> 01:09:58.915

mitigation is important. You just said that. I agree with

01:09:58.917 --> 01:10:00.450

just said that. I agree with you. I don't know I don't know 01:10:00.452 --> 01:10:03.653

you. I don't know I don't know I, let's just come back to this

01:10:03.655 --> 01:10:06.923

I, let's just come back to this because I think this is a step

01:10:06.925 --> 01:10:09.858

because I think this is a step that was missed. So I'm not

01:10:09.860 --> 01:10:12.662

that was missed. So I'm not saying that it has to be. I'm 01:10:12.664 --> 01:10:14.697

saying that it has to be. I'm just saying what I'm saying is,

01:10:14.699 --> 01:10:16.866

just saying what I'm saying is, if we want to agree to move it

01:10:16.868 --> 01:10:19.602

if we want to agree to move it forward. At least in my

01:10:19.604 --> 01:10:21.003

forward. At least in my conscience, it would feel 01:10:21.005 --> 01:10:24.340

conscience, it would feel better. Because I'm not that

01:10:24.342 --> 01:10:31.180

better. Because I'm not that person who's just going to. OK 01:10:31.182 --> 01:10:34.551

person who's just going to. OK denied. Mhm. What people bring

01:10:34.553 --> 01:10:36.286

denied. Mhm. What people bring personal biases or whatever, it

01:10:36.288 --> 01:10:39.488

personal biases or whatever, it happens all the time. So why is

01:10:39.490 --> 01:10:40.957

happens all the time. So why is this any different? What I'm 01:10:40.959 --> 01:10:42.425

this any different? What I'm saying is that there is more

01:10:42.427 --> 01:10:48.164

saying is that there is more that needs to be done. Before.

01:10:48.166 --> 01:10:49.966

that needs to be done. Before. I get it. It's in black and

01:10:49.968 --> 01:10:51.768

I get it. It's in black and white. I understand that. But 01:10:51.770 --> 01:10:56.105

white. I understand that. But does it make it right? Yeah,

01:10:56.107 --> 01:10:58.040

does it make it right? Yeah, it's uh I think that's what

01:10:58.042 --> 01:11:00.776

it's uh I think that's what everyone is saying. Yeah, it 01:11:00.778 --> 01:11:10.986

everyone is saying. Yeah, it Yeah, it Yeah. But, but it, 01:11:10.988 --> 01:11:13.990

Yeah, it Yeah. But, but it, it's, it's not their property.

01:11:13.992 --> 01:11:15.658

it's, it's not their property. OK, uh, we can, we, we could be

01:11:15.660 --> 01:11:18.327

OK, uh, we can, we, we could be here on, we, we, we could be

01:11:18.329 --> 01:11:21.397

here on, we, we, we could be here on, we, we According to 01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:22.898

here on, we, we According to the law, you can, you know,

01:11:22.900 --> 01:11:28.204

the law, you can, you know, within the bounds of the law

01:11:28.206 --> 01:11:30.739

within the bounds of the law right, OK, yeah, we get it, we 01:11:30.741 --> 01:11:32.541

right, OK, yeah, we get it, we get it, we get it, we get it,

01:11:32.543 --> 01:11:34.477

get it, we get it, we get it, we get it. We get it I get it.

01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:38.614

we get it. We get it I get it. We get it. I get it. So, uh, uh,

01:11:38.616 --> 01:11:40.016

We get it. I get it. So, uh, uh, since we have a city council 01:11:40.018 --> 01:11:44.220

since we have a city council rep who's going to Gonna have

01:11:44.222 --> 01:11:46.422

rep who's going to Gonna have to battle for you while you're

01:11:46.424 --> 01:11:50.459

to battle for you while you're no. No, uh, McGarvey 01:11:50.461 --> 01:11:51.427

no. No, uh, McGarvey commissioner actually have my

01:11:51.429 --> 01:11:52.828

commissioner actually have my button pushed. I have studied

01:11:52.830 --> 01:11:55.231

button pushed. I have studied up on my role as a liaison, and

01:11:55.233 --> 01:11:56.766

up on my role as a liaison, and I can contribute to the

01:11:56.768 --> 01:11:59.168

I can contribute to the conversation. I have discovered.

01:11:59.170 --> 01:12:00.236

conversation. I have discovered. I just can't vote. So I'd like 01:12:00.238 --> 01:12:02.839

I just can't vote. So I'd like to take a point of personal

01:12:02.841 --> 01:12:04.907

to take a point of personal privilege and simply point out.

01:12:04.909 --> 01:12:08.778

privilege and simply point out. Put this in context. When you,

01:12:08.780 --> 01:12:15.785

Put this in context. When you, when this body Voted yes or no. 01:12:15.787 --> 01:12:18.187

when this body Voted yes or no. On the legitimacy of the

01:12:18.189 --> 01:12:19.722

On the legitimacy of the request to subdivide the lot

01:12:19.724 --> 01:12:20.923

request to subdivide the lot across the street from my house. 01:12:20.925 --> 01:12:27.530

across the street from my house. And my wife came. And gave the

01:12:27.532 --> 01:12:28.598

And my wife came. And gave the same exact arguments that these

01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.534

same exact arguments that these people gave. It flew right 01:12:31.536 --> 01:12:34.503

people gave. It flew right through this committee. And

01:12:34.505 --> 01:12:36.405

through this committee. And Being on the city council, I

01:12:36.407 --> 01:12:37.339

Being on the city council, I recused myself because it

01:12:37.341 --> 01:12:41.277

recused myself because it affected me. But It had to go 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:43.679

affected me. But It had to go through the city council. It

01:12:43.681 --> 01:12:45.681

through the city council. It had to pass because it did not,

01:12:45.683 --> 01:12:49.018

had to pass because it did not, nothing. We are in a, what is

01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:50.486

nothing. We are in a, what is it, a quasi-judicial role at 01:12:50.488 --> 01:12:52.555

it, a quasi-judicial role at that point as city council

01:12:52.557 --> 01:12:56.092

that point as city council members. We, we. Make a ruling

01:12:56.094 --> 01:12:57.960

members. We, we. Make a ruling as a judge would not based on

01:12:57.962 --> 01:13:00.262

as a judge would not based on opinion, not based on, I think 01:13:00.264 --> 01:13:02.665

opinion, not based on, I think the, the real crux of the issue

01:13:02.667 --> 01:13:04.032

the, the real crux of the issue here is a whole bunch of people

01:13:04.034 --> 01:13:08.303

here is a whole bunch of people showed up. And they made us all

01:13:08.305 --> 01:13:13.509

showed up. And they made us all very uncomfortable. Um, and I 01:13:13.511 --> 01:13:15.110

very uncomfortable. Um, and I understand, I understand their

01:13:15.112 --> 01:13:16.445

understand, I understand their frustration because I feel the

01:13:16.447 --> 01:13:17.914

frustration because I feel the same way about the lot across

01:13:17.916 --> 01:13:19.382

same way about the lot across the street from my house,

01:13:19.384 --> 01:13:20.916

the street from my house, however, none of this 01:13:20.918 --> 01:13:23.919

however, none of this conversation happened. When

01:13:23.921 --> 01:13:28.124

conversation happened. When that was taking place. Um Just

01:13:28.126 --> 01:13:30.059

that was taking place. Um Just for context is my point. I 01:13:30.061 --> 01:13:31.727

for context is my point. I think there was just a step in

01:13:31.729 --> 01:13:39.602

think there was just a step in my opinion. Yeah. In a neighbor

01:13:39.604 --> 01:13:43.472

my opinion. Yeah. In a neighbor Just have. That's all I'm 01:13:43.474 --> 01:13:46.209

Just have. That's all I'm saying, and we understand that

01:13:46.211 --> 01:13:47.610

saying, and we understand that that should have taken place,

01:13:47.612 --> 01:13:51.013

that should have taken place, um. Can we, uh, you know, I, I, 01:13:51.015 --> 01:13:52.615

um. Can we, uh, you know, I, I, I still wanna go back to, you

01:13:52.617 --> 01:13:57.019

I still wanna go back to, you know, just, uh. You know, to

01:13:57.021 --> 01:13:59.956

know, just, uh. You know, to keep this, uh, you know. Our

01:13:59.958 --> 01:14:03.158

keep this, uh, you know. Our deliberative process and And 01:14:03.160 --> 01:14:05.828

deliberative process and And that, um, You know, decision

01:14:05.830 --> 01:14:08.431

that, um, You know, decision that. is provided to us yes or

01:14:08.433 --> 01:14:11.967

that. is provided to us yes or no, right? be conscious and yes 01:14:11.969 --> 01:14:14.303

no, right? be conscious and yes or no. If it's already, you

01:14:14.305 --> 01:14:15.705

or no. If it's already, you know, if it's already

01:14:15.707 --> 01:14:16.839

know, if it's already automatically known, it has to

01:14:16.841 --> 01:14:20.008

automatically known, it has to be yes. Why would we deliberate 01:14:20.010 --> 01:14:21.677

be yes. Why would we deliberate and spend to make sure. You

01:14:21.679 --> 01:14:22.845

and spend to make sure. You know, I think we need to, you

01:14:22.847 --> 01:14:24.647

know, I think we need to, you know, this is something that we

01:14:24.649 --> 01:14:26.649

know, this is something that we have to also discuss in the

01:14:26.651 --> 01:14:27.650

have to also discuss in the work session, something that we

01:14:27.652 --> 01:14:29.051

work session, something that we have to take on in the work

01:14:29.053 --> 01:14:31.654

have to take on in the work session, not in this stage, you 01:14:31.656 --> 01:14:34.323

session, not in this stage, you know, uh. But, you know, we

01:14:34.325 --> 01:14:36.659

know, uh. But, you know, we need also to know that. All of

01:14:36.661 --> 01:14:39.728

need also to know that. All of us here To respond to that yes

01:14:39.730 --> 01:14:41.597

us here To respond to that yes or no. Sure, yeah, and that 01:14:41.599 --> 01:14:47.169

or no. Sure, yeah, and that need to be. I think respect.

01:14:47.171 --> 01:14:48.604

need to be. I think respect. And it shouldn't be, shouldn't

01:14:48.606 --> 01:14:51.474

And it shouldn't be, shouldn't be, shouldn't go to the level 01:14:51.476 --> 01:14:52.942

be, shouldn't go to the level of being rehashing or

01:14:52.944 --> 01:14:53.676

of being rehashing or challenging or, you know, it

01:14:53.678 --> 01:14:56.111

challenging or, you know, it could be for a different day.

01:14:56.113 --> 01:14:57.746

could be for a different day. It could be deferred, you know,

01:14:57.748 --> 01:14:59.148

It could be deferred, you know, somebody could make a motion to,

01:14:59.150 --> 01:15:01.417

somebody could make a motion to, you know, they call it back and, 01:15:01.419 --> 01:15:04.420

you know, they call it back and, and defer it for another day to

01:15:04.422 --> 01:15:05.221

and defer it for another day to look into that alternative.

01:15:05.223 --> 01:15:07.890

look into that alternative. That's option. But to challenge

01:15:07.892 --> 01:15:10.659

That's option. But to challenge the decisions of Uh, somebody 01:15:10.661 --> 01:15:13.863

the decisions of Uh, somebody else's decision is not. In in

01:15:13.865 --> 01:15:16.365

else's decision is not. In in purview of anybody here and

01:15:16.367 --> 01:15:18.167

purview of anybody here and just and, and, and if we can,

01:15:18.169 --> 01:15:21.370

just and, and, and if we can, yeah, and That's the decision 01:15:21.372 --> 01:15:25.441

yeah, and That's the decision that was made, right? And uh,

01:15:25.443 --> 01:15:28.644

that was made, right? And uh, just, uh, again, uh, even if it,

01:15:28.646 --> 01:15:32.548

just, uh, again, uh, even if it, yeah, let's say if it fails at 01:15:32.550 --> 01:15:34.984

yeah, let's say if it fails at the city council or or proof,

01:15:34.986 --> 01:15:36.853

the city council or or proof, uh, I'm sure you're familiar

01:15:36.855 --> 01:15:39.455

uh, I'm sure you're familiar with all the lawsuits that have

01:15:39.457 --> 01:15:41.724

with all the lawsuits that have happened with uh uh and the 01:15:41.726 --> 01:15:43.259

happened with uh uh and the price that you pay for that

01:15:43.261 --> 01:15:45.094

price that you pay for that decision that you, that you

01:15:45.096 --> 01:15:48.030

decision that you, that you make, so it's, it's one of

01:15:48.032 --> 01:15:48.664

make, so it's, it's one of those things that those who

01:15:48.666 --> 01:15:51.967

those things that those who don't abide by the rule, 01:15:51.969 --> 01:15:53.068

don't abide by the rule, sometimes I held accountable

01:15:53.070 --> 01:15:54.069

sometimes I held accountable for their decision for not

01:15:54.071 --> 01:15:57.640

for their decision for not following the rules. So just be

01:15:57.642 --> 01:16:01.677

following the rules. So just be Aware of. The impact of that 01:16:01.679 --> 01:16:04.079

Aware of. The impact of that decision that, that, that has

01:16:04.081 --> 01:16:06.949

decision that, that, that has been been made, so we've

01:16:06.951 --> 01:16:09.451

been been made, so we've delivered deliberated on this,

01:16:09.453 --> 01:16:10.353

delivered deliberated on this, you know because I just want to 01:16:10.355 --> 01:16:37.713

you know because I just want to make sure that. bring forth a 01:16:37.715 --> 01:16:39.648

make sure that. bring forth a comment as to why we made this

01:16:39.650 --> 01:16:44.119

comment as to why we made this decision. Because that can help 01:16:44.121 --> 01:16:47.856

decision. Because that can help inform them so they know. I, I

01:16:47.858 --> 01:16:49.291

inform them so they know. I, I don't want this coming back to

01:16:49.293 --> 01:16:51.160

don't want this coming back to the planet, not the planet, but 01:16:51.162 --> 01:16:55.397

the planet, not the planet, but Um, yeah, the planning.

01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:57.833

Um, yeah, the planning. division to if it's denied

01:16:57.835 --> 01:16:59.668

division to if it's denied because there could be

01:16:59.670 --> 01:17:01.036

because there could be potential challenges with that. 01:17:01.038 --> 01:17:04.073

potential challenges with that. So I just want to make sure

01:17:04.075 --> 01:17:05.140

So I just want to make sure with a serious decision like

01:17:05.142 --> 01:17:12.147

with a serious decision like this. We are as a body. add in 01:17:12.149 --> 01:17:14.817

this. We are as a body. add in some commentary to it as to why

01:17:14.819 --> 01:17:20.889

some commentary to it as to why we made that decision. You are 01:17:20.891 --> 01:17:21.757

we made that decision. You are now quick thing I would like to.

01:17:21.759 --> 01:17:25.227

now quick thing I would like to. Uh, just, um, as a question

01:17:25.229 --> 01:17:29.498

Uh, just, um, as a question would like to ask is, Uh, what

01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:32.167

would like to ask is, Uh, what the, you know, the outreach 01:17:32.169 --> 01:17:36.038

the, you know, the outreach part of the process. Um, I mean,

01:17:36.040 --> 01:17:39.241

part of the process. Um, I mean, the city or the uh planning

01:17:39.243 --> 01:17:42.244

the city or the uh planning department need to come out to 01:17:42.246 --> 01:17:44.179

department need to come out to the community and informs them

01:17:44.181 --> 01:17:46.782

the community and informs them about what is coming in their

01:17:46.784 --> 01:17:48.183

about what is coming in their neighborhood, was it done in

01:17:48.185 --> 01:17:50.052

neighborhood, was it done in your, I mean, is it, is it part 01:17:50.054 --> 01:17:53.722

your, I mean, is it, is it part of the process and uh um uh was

01:17:53.724 --> 01:17:54.823

of the process and uh um uh was it done even in your

01:17:54.825 --> 01:17:57.193

it done even in your neighborhood when that, no? So

01:17:57.195 --> 01:17:59.928

neighborhood when that, no? So it's not part of the process,

01:17:59.930 --> 01:18:01.864

it's not part of the process, right? That's what Mr. Chair. 01:18:01.866 --> 01:18:05.467

right? That's what Mr. Chair. Um Commissioner Kroso, members

01:18:05.469 --> 01:18:06.935

Um Commissioner Kroso, members of the commission, uh, there is

01:18:06.937 --> 01:18:08.871

of the commission, uh, there is a requirement, um, all, all,

01:18:08.873 --> 01:18:11.273

a requirement, um, all, all, all, all items that come before 01:18:11.275 --> 01:18:13.275

all, all items that come before you that require a public

01:18:13.277 --> 01:18:16.612

you that require a public hearing, um, um, there is a

01:18:16.614 --> 01:18:18.481

hearing, um, um, there is a requirement for um public

01:18:18.483 --> 01:18:19.548

requirement for um public notice of that public hearing,

01:18:19.550 --> 01:18:21.950

notice of that public hearing, that's a state statute. It's 01:18:21.952 --> 01:18:24.486

that's a state statute. It's also in city code, um, and part

01:18:24.488 --> 01:18:27.256

also in city code, um, and part of that is a mailing to all

01:18:27.258 --> 01:18:28.758

of that is a mailing to all property owners within 500 ft

01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:31.093

property owners within 500 ft of the subject property, OK? So 01:18:31.095 --> 01:18:32.762

of the subject property, OK? So that is how the folks here knew

01:18:32.764 --> 01:18:33.429

that is how the folks here knew that this was on the table in

01:18:33.431 --> 01:18:34.963

that this was on the table in the first place. as they

01:18:34.965 --> 01:18:36.965

the first place. as they received that. Notice at their

01:18:36.967 --> 01:18:40.502

received that. Notice at their home. Um, with that includes a 01:18:40.504 --> 01:18:42.104

home. Um, with that includes a link to where they can find the

01:18:42.106 --> 01:18:43.305

link to where they can find the staff report, uh, at the same

01:18:43.307 --> 01:18:45.641

staff report, uh, at the same time you get it, um, uh, the

01:18:45.643 --> 01:18:48.310

time you get it, um, uh, the the the week before. Um, so all

01:18:48.312 --> 01:18:50.112

the the week before. Um, so all that information is, is out 01:18:50.114 --> 01:18:52.515

that information is, is out there and provided to um the

01:18:52.517 --> 01:18:53.983

there and provided to um the neighbor, neighboring property

01:18:53.985 --> 01:18:56.051

neighbor, neighboring property owners within, within 500 ft.

01:18:56.053 --> 01:18:58.187

owners within, within 500 ft. What's really common, um, every

01:18:58.189 --> 01:18:59.788

What's really common, um, every single month that we do this is,

01:18:59.790 --> 01:19:02.258

single month that we do this is, uh, we get a few phone calls or 01:19:02.260 --> 01:19:03.926

uh, we get a few phone calls or emails or whatever um from

01:19:03.928 --> 01:19:04.860

emails or whatever um from interested neighbors as, you

01:19:04.862 --> 01:19:05.594

interested neighbors as, you know, what, what is this?

01:19:05.596 --> 01:19:07.129

know, what, what is this? What's this all about? And we

01:19:07.131 --> 01:19:09.031

What's this all about? And we have those conversations with

01:19:09.033 --> 01:19:09.732

have those conversations with them and and explain what the

01:19:09.734 --> 01:19:12.401

them and and explain what the plan, what, what's going on and, 01:19:12.403 --> 01:19:14.470

plan, what, what's going on and, you know, 9 times out of 10, uh,

01:19:14.472 --> 01:19:15.838

you know, 9 times out of 10, uh, that's the end of the

01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:16.538

that's the end of the interaction and then sometimes

01:19:16.540 --> 01:19:18.140

interaction and then sometimes people come. Um, and, and

01:19:18.142 --> 01:19:19.208

people come. Um, and, and testify as you saw tonight. So

01:19:19.210 --> 01:19:22.144

testify as you saw tonight. So yeah, there, there definitely 01:19:22.146 --> 01:19:23.078

yeah, there, there definitely is a notification requirement,

01:19:23.080 --> 01:19:26.448

is a notification requirement, um. Uh, I just want to say I

01:19:26.450 --> 01:19:28.016

um. Uh, I just want to say I actually, you know, separate

01:19:28.018 --> 01:19:30.252

actually, you know, separate from, you know, the, the all 01:19:30.254 --> 01:19:31.753

from, you know, the, the all things officialdom in my role

01:19:31.755 --> 01:19:33.555

things officialdom in my role here in, in, in, you know,

01:19:33.557 --> 01:19:34.623

here in, in, in, you know, making sure you understand the,

01:19:34.625 --> 01:19:35.958

making sure you understand the, the implications of the

01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:37.093

the implications of the decision. I just want to say

01:19:37.095 --> 01:19:40.429

decision. I just want to say that I, um, firmly agree that 01:19:40.431 --> 01:19:42.364

that I, um, firmly agree that just as a person on this planet,

01:19:42.366 --> 01:19:43.766

just as a person on this planet, and a person who also has

01:19:43.768 --> 01:19:45.901

and a person who also has neighbors, you know, that, um,

01:19:45.903 --> 01:19:46.568

neighbors, you know, that, um, neighbors should talk to one

01:19:46.570 --> 01:19:47.836

neighbors should talk to one another, and if you're

01:19:47.838 --> 01:19:48.637

another, and if you're proposing a change, and again,

01:19:48.639 --> 01:19:50.705

proposing a change, and again, I'm not talking about city 01:19:50.707 --> 01:19:52.107

I'm not talking about city requirements, um, that this

01:19:52.109 --> 01:19:53.575

requirements, um, that this meets all the requirements, the

01:19:53.577 --> 01:19:54.243

meets all the requirements, the procedurally, everything went

01:19:54.245 --> 01:19:55.978

procedurally, everything went exactly. As it is supposed to

01:19:55.980 --> 01:19:58.314

exactly. As it is supposed to go, uh, so this is not me as

01:19:58.316 --> 01:19:59.381

go, uh, so this is not me as the planning director saying,

01:19:59.383 --> 01:20:00.382

the planning director saying, uh, this applicant didn't meet 01:20:00.384 --> 01:20:03.319

uh, this applicant didn't meet the requirements. They did, um,

01:20:03.321 --> 01:20:04.553

the requirements. They did, um, but I personally agree that

01:20:04.555 --> 01:20:05.721

but I personally agree that it's good to interact with your

01:20:05.723 --> 01:20:06.955

it's good to interact with your neighbors and explain what

01:20:06.957 --> 01:20:08.858

neighbors and explain what you're doing. Um, uh, I think

01:20:08.860 --> 01:20:10.859

you're doing. Um, uh, I think that would be better, uh, and 01:20:10.861 --> 01:20:12.328

that would be better, uh, and this may have gone at least

01:20:12.330 --> 01:20:15.797

this may have gone at least somewhat better, maybe not. Not

01:20:15.799 --> 01:20:17.066

somewhat better, maybe not. Not perfectly, uh, if that had

01:20:17.068 --> 01:20:19.401

perfectly, uh, if that had happened, so. Thank you for

01:20:19.403 --> 01:20:23.005

happened, so. Thank you for explaining. Yeah, that's a very 01:20:23.007 --> 01:20:24.740

explaining. Yeah, that's a very um very uh informative, and I

01:20:24.742 --> 01:20:28.476

um very uh informative, and I think we can uh Kind of, uh,

01:20:28.478 --> 01:20:30.746

think we can uh Kind of, uh, there is an argument that says 01:20:30.748 --> 01:20:31.747

there is an argument that says we already deliberated and

01:20:31.749 --> 01:20:34.883

we already deliberated and decided, but if we Need to

01:20:34.885 --> 01:20:39.822

decided, but if we Need to comment. I think we can uh add

01:20:39.824 --> 01:20:42.224

comment. I think we can uh add something um in that room of, 01:20:42.226 --> 01:20:43.225

something um in that room of, uh, you know, saying something,

01:20:43.227 --> 01:20:49.565

uh, you know, saying something, you know, like, uh that is uh a

01:20:49.567 --> 01:20:50.966

you know, like, uh that is uh a public concern or a concern and 01:20:50.968 --> 01:20:53.502

public concern or a concern and the commission. believed that,

01:20:53.504 --> 01:20:55.904

the commission. believed that, you know, we may reconsider for

01:20:55.906 --> 01:20:56.838

you know, we may reconsider for the upcoming meeting, something

01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:07.983

the upcoming meeting, something like that. Yep. Uh. At this 01:21:07.985 --> 01:21:10.452

like that. Yep. Uh. At this rate, I don't think we'll agree 01:21:10.454 --> 01:21:11.753

rate, I don't think we'll agree on a comment on the statement.

01:21:11.755 --> 01:21:13.455

on a comment on the statement. So, so, so I, I, I said let,

01:21:13.457 --> 01:21:15.657

So, so, so I, I, I said let, let it go as it is and, and I

01:21:15.659 --> 01:21:19.394

let it go as it is and, and I will, we'll deal with it. You

01:21:19.396 --> 01:21:21.263

will, we'll deal with it. You know, we've got exactly, and I, 01:21:21.265 --> 01:21:25.267

know, we've got exactly, and I, you know. Uh, been a public

01:21:25.269 --> 01:21:29.872

you know. Uh, been a public body, uh. I would hate to have

01:21:29.874 --> 01:21:31.874

body, uh. I would hate to have another debate without the 01:21:31.876 --> 01:21:34.610

another debate without the public being here and um. You

01:21:34.612 --> 01:21:37.079

public being here and um. You know, we Said something, you

01:21:37.081 --> 01:21:38.413

know, we Said something, you know, I want to say something

01:21:38.415 --> 01:21:39.147

know, I want to say something different at the time, we

01:21:39.149 --> 01:21:40.649

different at the time, we should have said it, you know. 01:21:40.651 --> 01:21:43.986

should have said it, you know. Here, but we voted. That was

01:21:43.988 --> 01:21:46.088

Here, but we voted. That was our decision and uh we

01:21:46.090 --> 01:21:48.690

our decision and uh we understand what your next steps

01:21:48.692 --> 01:21:51.093

understand what your next steps are and uh. We'll deal with 01:21:51.095 --> 01:21:54.163

are and uh. We'll deal with that. You're comfortable with

01:21:54.165 --> 01:21:57.733

that. You're comfortable with that. Just a comment cause I, I

01:21:57.735 --> 01:22:01.637

that. Just a comment cause I, I heard that we have a couple of 01:22:01.639 --> 01:22:02.570

heard that we have a couple of public meetings that's

01:22:02.572 --> 01:22:06.642

public meetings that's happening after this. Um I

01:22:06.644 --> 01:22:08.711

happening after this. Um I guess maybe I'm looking for

01:22:08.713 --> 01:22:15.250

guess maybe I'm looking for some clarity, um, If we know 01:22:15.252 --> 01:22:19.087

some clarity, um, If we know How this is going to land. It's

01:22:19.089 --> 01:22:21.189

How this is going to land. It's almost like, you know, is it 01:22:21.191 --> 01:22:22.958

almost like, you know, is it false hope? You know, where

01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:24.526

false hope? You know, where you're giving people

01:22:24.528 --> 01:22:26.061

you're giving people opportunities to share and

01:22:26.063 --> 01:22:28.397

opportunities to share and comment and, and we know what

01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:29.798

comment and, and we know what the outcome is going to be.

01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:33.268

the outcome is going to be. Because The owner has rights, 01:22:33.270 --> 01:22:37.138

Because The owner has rights, right? So I just wonder, I'm

01:22:37.140 --> 01:22:39.007

right? So I just wonder, I'm just going to go back to

01:22:39.009 --> 01:22:40.876

just going to go back to mitigation. How do we make this 01:22:40.878 --> 01:22:42.745

mitigation. How do we make this right, where it's a win-win for

01:22:42.747 --> 01:22:46.048

right, where it's a win-win for everybody. Because I think

01:22:46.050 --> 01:22:49.285

everybody. Because I think that's what we can avoid. The

01:22:49.287 --> 01:22:52.754

that's what we can avoid. The bigger challenges. And this 01:22:52.756 --> 01:22:54.356

bigger challenges. And this just ties back into your

01:22:54.358 --> 01:22:55.624

just ties back into your comment, yours, and my original

01:22:55.626 --> 01:22:58.626

comment, yours, and my original comment. We just have to just

01:22:58.628 --> 01:23:01.030

comment. We just have to just make it right, and that's just 01:23:01.032 --> 01:23:01.563

make it right, and that's just communicating and being

01:23:01.565 --> 01:23:03.699

communicating and being transparent. But also

01:23:03.701 --> 01:23:07.569

transparent. But also empathizing. Empathizing with

01:23:07.571 --> 01:23:08.570

empathizing. Empathizing with the community, because we get

01:23:08.572 --> 01:23:12.908

the community, because we get it. And I understand, it was 01:23:12.910 --> 01:23:13.909

it. And I understand, it was just difficult for me to say

01:23:13.911 --> 01:23:15.577

just difficult for me to say yes, because I, I felt, I felt

01:23:15.579 --> 01:23:18.646

yes, because I, I felt, I felt it. And that's why we have

01:23:18.648 --> 01:23:20.382

it. And that's why we have public forums. That's why, 01:23:20.384 --> 01:23:21.850

public forums. That's why, because people want to express

01:23:21.852 --> 01:23:23.452

because people want to express their feelings and sometimes

01:23:23.454 --> 01:23:25.854

their feelings and sometimes you do empathize with that. But

01:23:25.856 --> 01:23:27.122

you do empathize with that. But I do wonder with the the two

01:23:27.124 --> 01:23:28.791

I do wonder with the the two meetings, I think I heard 2

01:23:28.793 --> 01:23:31.259

meetings, I think I heard 2 meetings. It's gonna happen 01:23:31.261 --> 01:23:33.795

meetings. It's gonna happen after this, um, there is an

01:23:33.797 --> 01:23:35.664

after this, um, there is an opportunity for perhaps The

01:23:35.666 --> 01:23:38.233

opportunity for perhaps The staff to kind of set the stage.

01:23:38.235 --> 01:23:41.202

staff to kind of set the stage. To just let people know. By law, 01:23:41.204 --> 01:23:44.005

To just let people know. By law, this is what the owner can do,

01:23:44.007 --> 01:23:47.342

this is what the owner can do, but also be empathetic. And

01:23:47.344 --> 01:23:49.010

but also be empathetic. And again, I, I agree and I, you

01:23:49.012 --> 01:23:53.548

again, I, I agree and I, you know, again, procedurally, it 01:23:53.550 --> 01:23:55.650

know, again, procedurally, it sounds like what I heard that

01:23:55.652 --> 01:23:58.620

sounds like what I heard that uh this is a. Somewhat of a

01:23:58.622 --> 01:24:00.088

uh this is a. Somewhat of a smart body of residents here. 01:24:00.090 --> 01:24:02.624

smart body of residents here. You know, you heard the one

01:24:02.626 --> 01:24:04.960

You know, you heard the one gentleman say he understands

01:24:04.962 --> 01:24:06.228

gentleman say he understands the procedure and he's willing

01:24:06.230 --> 01:24:08.963

the procedure and he's willing to buy the two parcels. It's

01:24:08.965 --> 01:24:11.199

to buy the two parcels. It's solved, right? And so he's not 01:24:11.201 --> 01:24:12.300

solved, right? And so he's not planning on doing anything, but

01:24:12.302 --> 01:24:13.635

planning on doing anything, but we can't sit here and predict

01:24:13.637 --> 01:24:15.104

we can't sit here and predict whether he's gonna buy that or

01:24:15.106 --> 01:24:17.839

whether he's gonna buy that or not or whatever it is. So there

01:24:17.841 --> 01:24:20.509

not or whatever it is. So there are smart body. They, you know, 01:24:20.511 --> 01:24:22.511

are smart body. They, you know, they have mitigation plans in

01:24:22.513 --> 01:24:24.313

they have mitigation plans in place if they want to, you know,

01:24:24.315 --> 01:24:26.849

place if they want to, you know, to solve this, so that's not

01:24:26.851 --> 01:24:31.386

to solve this, so that's not our job. I get it I think it's 01:24:31.388 --> 01:24:37.726

our job. I get it I think it's Sam. I mean, they, the the

01:24:37.728 --> 01:24:40.529

Sam. I mean, they, the the staff I guess the question, 01:24:40.531 --> 01:24:46.168

staff I guess the question, legally, when we come back to.

01:24:46.170 --> 01:24:49.204

legally, when we come back to. To this specific item, um, the

01:24:49.206 --> 01:24:52.607

To this specific item, um, the You, you could have chosen to, 01:24:52.609 --> 01:24:53.575

You, you could have chosen to, I wouldn't have advised this,

01:24:53.577 --> 01:24:54.976

I wouldn't have advised this, but like in terms of options

01:24:54.978 --> 01:24:56.678

but like in terms of options for procedures, you could have

01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:58.947

for procedures, you could have chosen as long as we had time

01:24:58.949 --> 01:25:00.349

chosen as long as we had time under the statute, and I'm not 01:25:00.351 --> 01:25:01.950

under the statute, and I'm not sure where we are in the

01:25:01.952 --> 01:25:02.717

sure where we are in the timeline under statute, but as

01:25:02.719 --> 01:25:05.353

timeline under statute, but as long as we had, as long as the

01:25:05.355 --> 01:25:08.490

long as we had, as long as the city had um Time to make the

01:25:08.492 --> 01:25:09.424

city had um Time to make the decision, you could have said,

01:25:09.426 --> 01:25:10.826

decision, you could have said, well, we're gonna, we're going 01:25:10.828 --> 01:25:13.295

well, we're gonna, we're going to push this off a month and

01:25:13.297 --> 01:25:15.831

to push this off a month and and do this again, um, next

01:25:15.833 --> 01:25:16.632

and do this again, um, next month, if that's something you

01:25:16.634 --> 01:25:18.099

month, if that's something you wanted to do, but you know,

01:25:18.101 --> 01:25:20.469

wanted to do, but you know, that, that ship has sailed at 01:25:20.471 --> 01:25:27.175

that, that ship has sailed at this point. You voted, yeah.

01:25:27.177 --> 01:25:28.776

this point. You voted, yeah. All right. Uh, city, I think,

01:25:28.778 --> 01:25:30.078

All right. Uh, city, I think, yeah, Paul, you have your 01:25:30.080 --> 01:25:31.046

yeah, Paul, you have your marching orders, so you know

01:25:31.048 --> 01:25:33.649

marching orders, so you know what to do next. I opened the

01:25:33.651 --> 01:25:35.851

what to do next. I opened the can of worms. We're going to go

01:25:35.853 --> 01:25:39.254

can of worms. We're going to go to the next agenda item, uh, uh,

01:25:39.256 --> 01:25:42.858

to the next agenda item, uh, uh, number 7. Uh, councilman Lee 01:25:42.860 --> 01:25:44.059

number 7. Uh, councilman Lee has a comments and

01:25:44.061 --> 01:25:45.861

has a comments and congratulations, by the way,

01:25:45.863 --> 01:25:47.729

congratulations, by the way, for uh your win and uh. Next

01:25:47.731 --> 01:25:50.399

for uh your win and uh. Next term. Thank you, Chair Kain. Um, 01:25:50.401 --> 01:25:53.401

term. Thank you, Chair Kain. Um, And another point of personal

01:25:53.403 --> 01:25:55.203

And another point of personal privilege, I do stand corrected.

01:25:55.205 --> 01:25:57.672

privilege, I do stand corrected. We did get the letter. However,

01:25:57.674 --> 01:25:59.207

We did get the letter. However, no one went around and asked

01:25:59.209 --> 01:26:01.143

no one went around and asked anybody what they thought about 01:26:01.145 --> 01:26:02.077

anybody what they thought about subdividing a lot across the

01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:05.013

subdividing a lot across the street from my house, so to, to

01:26:05.015 --> 01:26:08.350

street from my house, so to, to straighten that out. Um, I have

01:26:08.352 --> 01:26:10.152

straighten that out. Um, I have nothing to report on as far as 01:26:10.154 --> 01:26:14.589

nothing to report on as far as council actions. Um, However,

01:26:14.591 --> 01:26:15.624

council actions. Um, However, everyone was sworn in Monday

01:26:15.626 --> 01:26:17.492

everyone was sworn in Monday night. We all got along. The

01:26:17.494 --> 01:26:18.827

night. We all got along. The mayor was sick, unfortunately,

01:26:18.829 --> 01:26:20.896

mayor was sick, unfortunately, so a whole lot of the agenda 01:26:20.898 --> 01:26:21.964

so a whole lot of the agenda got chopped off and we were out

01:26:21.966 --> 01:26:25.166

got chopped off and we were out of here in an hour. In 20

01:26:25.168 --> 01:26:27.368

of here in an hour. In 20 minutes. It was amazing. For

01:26:27.370 --> 01:26:30.171

minutes. It was amazing. For the cake and ice, you know, ice 01:26:30.173 --> 01:26:34.376

the cake and ice, you know, ice cream and all that so um. No,

01:26:34.378 --> 01:26:35.644

cream and all that so um. No, but, uh, thank you all for the

01:26:35.646 --> 01:26:38.714

but, uh, thank you all for the work you do. Happy New Year and,

01:26:38.716 --> 01:26:40.348

work you do. Happy New Year and, oh, as well, we have not had, 01:26:40.350 --> 01:26:44.052

oh, as well, we have not had, we have not. Gotten our

01:26:44.054 --> 01:26:45.720

we have not. Gotten our commission assignments yet, so

01:26:45.722 --> 01:26:47.055

commission assignments yet, so I don't know. I hope I get to

01:26:47.057 --> 01:26:48.523

I don't know. I hope I get to stay on this commission, but if

01:26:48.525 --> 01:26:50.859

stay on this commission, but if not, it's been great working 01:26:50.861 --> 01:26:55.130

not, it's been great working with you all and uh Um, but I'm,

01:26:55.132 --> 01:26:56.665

with you all and uh Um, but I'm, I'm lobbying to stay here.

01:26:56.667 --> 01:26:59.134

I'm lobbying to stay here. Sounds great. Awesome. Thank

01:26:59.136 --> 01:27:04.238

Sounds great. Awesome. Thank you. All right, uh. Uh, 8.1. 01:27:04.240 --> 01:27:05.741

you. All right, uh. Uh, 8.1. Next item, general item uh

01:27:05.743 --> 01:27:07.142

Next item, general item uh planning commission comments.

01:27:07.144 --> 01:27:08.010

planning commission comments. Anything further? or did you

01:27:08.012 --> 01:27:11.412

Anything further? or did you say enough? No To make sure you 01:27:11.414 --> 01:27:15.216

say enough? No To make sure you get by. Well, anyway, I think

01:27:15.218 --> 01:27:17.819

get by. Well, anyway, I think uh my First turn is coming to

01:27:17.821 --> 01:27:21.423

uh my First turn is coming to an end. I got a letter that I 01:27:21.425 --> 01:27:24.159

an end. I got a letter that I can reapply it and order the

01:27:24.161 --> 01:27:25.426

can reapply it and order the loan, you know, so I just

01:27:25.428 --> 01:27:27.228

loan, you know, so I just wanted to say that way whether

01:27:27.230 --> 01:27:28.730

wanted to say that way whether they call me back or they don't

01:27:28.732 --> 01:27:32.834

they call me back or they don't call me back. I wanted to just 01:27:32.836 --> 01:27:34.836

call me back. I wanted to just uh yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a,

01:27:34.838 --> 01:27:37.105

uh yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a pleasure. No, sounds

01:27:37.107 --> 01:27:38.974

it's a pleasure. No, sounds great. I can, that's my first

01:27:38.976 --> 01:27:41.176

great. I can, that's my first time actually being part of 01:27:41.178 --> 01:27:42.110

time actually being part of this, the city thing and then

01:27:42.112 --> 01:27:47.282

this, the city thing and then uh. I, I, I sum on this, you

01:27:47.284 --> 01:27:49.184

uh. I, I, I sum on this, you know, through an error because

01:27:49.186 --> 01:27:51.987

know, through an error because when I was when I was live in 01:27:51.989 --> 01:27:53.055

when I was when I was live in my apartment to move into a

01:27:53.057 --> 01:27:55.324

my apartment to move into a house I thought I was going to

01:27:55.326 --> 01:27:55.991

house I thought I was going to get every information from the

01:27:55.993 --> 01:28:00.028

get every information from the city. And I can receive almost, 01:28:00.030 --> 01:28:02.397

city. And I can receive almost, I think, even the park and

01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:03.732

I think, even the park and recreation, I've get emails

01:28:03.734 --> 01:28:07.802

recreation, I've get emails from them every day, so I get

01:28:07.804 --> 01:28:08.637

from them every day, so I get emails from everybody, so

01:28:08.639 --> 01:28:09.804

emails from everybody, so that's how I found all this

01:28:09.806 --> 01:28:12.941

that's how I found all this council, but yeah, I, I, I fill 01:28:12.943 --> 01:28:14.676

council, but yeah, I, I, I fill out the form again and I'm

01:28:14.678 --> 01:28:16.411

out the form again and I'm hoping I'm not, I don't know

01:28:16.413 --> 01:28:17.378

hoping I'm not, I don't know but if they accept me again,

01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:19.314

but if they accept me again, then I will be back, but other

01:28:19.316 --> 01:28:21.016

then I will be back, but other than that, it's a pleasure 01:28:21.018 --> 01:28:22.150

than that, it's a pleasure being here and I want to know

01:28:22.152 --> 01:28:24.619

being here and I want to know how the city works, uh, because

01:28:24.621 --> 01:28:26.088

how the city works, uh, because it's my home and I don't want

01:28:26.090 --> 01:28:28.823

it's my home and I don't want to be. Without knowing what is

01:28:28.825 --> 01:28:30.492

to be. Without knowing what is going on in the city anymore. 01:28:30.494 --> 01:28:32.026

going on in the city anymore. So next up, uh, you're running

01:28:32.028 --> 01:28:38.100

So next up, uh, you're running for mayor, huh? That's my next

01:28:38.102 --> 01:28:39.835

for mayor, huh? That's my next step um do we have any open

01:28:39.837 --> 01:28:44.439

step um do we have any open positions? Or will you Um Uh, 01:28:44.441 --> 01:28:45.573

positions? Or will you Um Uh, Mr. Chair, members of the

01:28:45.575 --> 01:28:46.775

Mr. Chair, members of the commission, I was actually on

01:28:46.777 --> 01:28:47.909

commission, I was actually on my my list for for my section,

01:28:47.911 --> 01:28:50.578

my my list for for my section, but yeah, there are, there are 01:28:50.580 --> 01:28:53.048

but yeah, there are, there are 3 seats up for reappointment.

01:28:53.050 --> 01:28:54.615

3 seats up for reappointment. Um, I, I can't recall off the

01:28:54.617 --> 01:28:55.917

Um, I, I can't recall off the top of my head which of the

01:28:55.919 --> 01:28:57.452

top of my head which of the seats they are. OK, so

01:28:57.454 --> 01:28:58.520

seats they are. OK, so commissioners are raising their

01:28:58.522 --> 01:29:02.390

commissioners are raising their hands, yeah, um, uh, but I, but 01:29:02.392 --> 01:29:03.825

hands, yeah, um, uh, but I, but nobody's turning out. Um,

01:29:03.827 --> 01:29:04.726

nobody's turning out. Um, everybody has the opportunity.

01:29:04.728 --> 01:29:06.595

everybody has the opportunity. I don't think anybody's term.

01:29:06.597 --> 01:29:09.197

I don't think anybody's term. You are? No. I thought, I

01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:11.400

You are? No. I thought, I thought, well, OK, I will get, 01:29:11.402 --> 01:29:12.801

thought, well, OK, I will get, I will inform myself about this.

01:29:12.803 --> 01:29:14.035

I will inform myself about this. I thought everybody had the

01:29:14.037 --> 01:29:14.869

I thought everybody had the opportunity to be reappointed.

01:29:14.871 --> 01:29:19.807

opportunity to be reappointed. I You're turning up? Oh yeah,

01:29:19.809 --> 01:29:22.210

I You're turning up? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We will, um, I, I 01:29:22.212 --> 01:29:23.411

yeah, yeah. We will, um, I, I know that, that our

01:29:23.413 --> 01:29:24.145

know that, that our administration department has

01:29:24.147 --> 01:29:25.347

administration department has been in contact with, with

01:29:25.349 --> 01:29:26.081

been in contact with, with those who are up for

01:29:26.083 --> 01:29:28.950

those who are up for reappointment. I will make sure

01:29:28.952 --> 01:29:29.751

reappointment. I will make sure that everybody's clear on, you

01:29:29.753 --> 01:29:32.687

that everybody's clear on, you know, where they are, yeah. 01:29:32.689 --> 01:29:37.024

know, where they are, yeah. Right. And new, new, new, um,

01:29:37.026 --> 01:29:40.295

Right. And new, new, new, um, recall that the um the 01:29:40.297 --> 01:29:41.362

recall that the um the beginning of the calendar year

01:29:41.364 --> 01:29:43.165

beginning of the calendar year for the purposes of those

01:29:43.167 --> 01:29:44.299

for the purposes of those appointments is in April. So

01:29:44.301 --> 01:29:45.633

appointments is in April. So that, that's when the new seats

01:29:45.635 --> 01:29:49.637

that, that's when the new seats take effect. OK. Commissioner

01:29:49.639 --> 01:29:50.839

take effect. OK. Commissioner Fraser, that you have something? 01:29:50.841 --> 01:29:59.314

Fraser, that you have something? Did you mention that um. gonna

01:29:59.316 --> 01:30:04.385

Did you mention that um. gonna OK. And then, uh Maybe you can 01:30:04.387 --> 01:30:07.723

OK. And then, uh Maybe you can mention this to, uh, uh. Any

01:30:07.725 --> 01:30:13.528

mention this to, uh, uh. Any plan on we keep uh reading uh 01:30:13.530 --> 01:30:14.596

plan on we keep uh reading uh uh uh 11 resident volunteers,

01:30:14.598 --> 01:30:17.432

uh uh 11 resident volunteers, two of which are young adults.

01:30:17.434 --> 01:30:18.966

two of which are young adults. Any strategy on, yeah, that's a

01:30:18.968 --> 01:30:20.802

Any strategy on, yeah, that's a really good question. Um, I 01:30:20.804 --> 01:30:22.470

really good question. Um, I haven't heard much about that

01:30:22.472 --> 01:30:23.472

haven't heard much about that lately, you know, this was

01:30:23.474 --> 01:30:25.607

lately, you know, this was initiative. Boys have been 2

01:30:25.609 --> 01:30:29.077

initiative. Boys have been 2 years now. Yeah, where, um, the

01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:30.144

years now. Yeah, where, um, the idea was to have, first, the 01:30:30.146 --> 01:30:33.014

idea was to have, first, the idea was to try to bring um

01:30:33.016 --> 01:30:34.949

idea was to try to bring um actual youth, you, you know,

01:30:34.951 --> 01:30:36.618

actual youth, you, you know, teens, under 18, uh, under the

01:30:36.620 --> 01:30:38.286

teens, under 18, uh, under the commission and there were some

01:30:38.288 --> 01:30:39.221

commission and there were some legal challenges to doing that,

01:30:39.223 --> 01:30:41.289

legal challenges to doing that, so it had to be modified, you 01:30:41.291 --> 01:30:43.891

so it had to be modified, you know, to be young adults over

01:30:43.893 --> 01:30:45.694

know, to be young adults over 18, um, and it's been, it's

01:30:45.696 --> 01:30:49.364

18, um, and it's been, it's been a struggle to recruit.

01:30:49.366 --> 01:30:50.565

been a struggle to recruit. Interested young people to to 01:30:50.567 --> 01:30:53.201

Interested young people to to serve, um, but I appreciate

01:30:53.203 --> 01:30:55.803

serve, um, but I appreciate that, um, reminder, I'll, I'll,

01:30:55.805 --> 01:30:57.172

that, um, reminder, I'll, I'll, I'll ask our administrative

01:30:57.174 --> 01:30:58.573

I'll ask our administrative folks, our administration folks

01:30:58.575 --> 01:31:01.910

folks, our administration folks about where that is, um. It was 01:31:01.912 --> 01:31:03.244

about where that is, um. It was a promising idea that hasn't

01:31:03.246 --> 01:31:05.780

a promising idea that hasn't come to fruition yet. No, not,

01:31:05.782 --> 01:31:07.749

come to fruition yet. No, not, it, it's, I think it, I think

01:31:07.751 --> 01:31:10.852

it, it's, I think it, I think the target age was at 18 to 24. 01:31:10.854 --> 01:31:15.089

the target age was at 18 to 24. Yeah, yeah. What about um The

01:31:15.091 --> 01:31:18.993

Yeah, yeah. What about um The problem here So we don't get

01:31:18.995 --> 01:31:22.864

problem here So we don't get outreach. correctly. Yeah, that, 01:31:22.866 --> 01:31:24.399

outreach. correctly. Yeah, that, that, in fact, that's where the

01:31:24.401 --> 01:31:26.334

that, in fact, that's where the idea came from, as I recall,

01:31:26.336 --> 01:31:33.074

idea came from, as I recall, yeah, yeah. All right, uh. It's 01:31:33.076 --> 01:31:43.885

yeah, yeah. All right, uh. It's just. Next, agenda item, uh, 9, 01:31:43.887 --> 01:31:45.887

just. Next, agenda item, uh, 9, staff liaison comments. Uh,

01:31:45.889 --> 01:31:47.689

staff liaison comments. Uh, commissioners, I have just a

01:31:47.691 --> 01:31:49.156

commissioners, I have just a few things to announce. One,

01:31:49.158 --> 01:31:50.625

few things to announce. One, you all know Matt Matt Hays 01:31:50.627 --> 01:31:52.227

you all know Matt Matt Hays Reagan, our, our program

01:31:52.229 --> 01:31:53.561

Reagan, our, our program assistant, you received the

01:31:53.563 --> 01:31:54.896

assistant, you received the emails from him for the

01:31:54.898 --> 01:31:56.097

emails from him for the planning for the planning

01:31:56.099 --> 01:31:56.898

planning for the planning commission agendas and many,

01:31:56.900 --> 01:31:58.766

commission agendas and many, many other things, um, I'm

01:31:58.768 --> 01:32:00.235

many other things, um, I'm pleased to announce that Matt 01:32:00.237 --> 01:32:02.170

pleased to announce that Matt has been promoted to associate

01:32:02.172 --> 01:32:04.606

has been promoted to associate planner, so he is now a planner

01:32:04.608 --> 01:32:06.074

planner, so he is now a planner on our staff and you'll see him

01:32:06.076 --> 01:32:09.644

on our staff and you'll see him up at the dais presenting um

01:32:09.646 --> 01:32:11.045

up at the dais presenting um Landy's applications. Uh, in 01:32:11.047 --> 01:32:14.516

Landy's applications. Uh, in fact, the, the, um, One of the

01:32:14.518 --> 01:32:15.984

fact, the, the, um, One of the items this evening was, was for

01:32:15.986 --> 01:32:17.118

items this evening was, was for him to present, uh,

01:32:17.120 --> 01:32:18.052

him to present, uh, unfortunately, he's home sick

01:32:18.054 --> 01:32:19.787

unfortunately, he's home sick this evening, um, but you'll

01:32:19.789 --> 01:32:21.456

this evening, um, but you'll see him next time, uh, which 01:32:21.458 --> 01:32:23.724

see him next time, uh, which means we're working on filling,

01:32:23.726 --> 01:32:24.659

means we're working on filling, um, his previous role, the

01:32:24.661 --> 01:32:25.726

um, his previous role, the program assistant, so next,

01:32:25.728 --> 01:32:26.928

program assistant, so next, next time you, uh, next time we

01:32:26.930 --> 01:32:27.996

next time you, uh, next time we have a meeting, you'll be

01:32:27.998 --> 01:32:28.930

have a meeting, you'll be getting those emails from

01:32:28.932 --> 01:32:31.966

getting those emails from somebody else. And, uh, I'll be 01:32:31.968 --> 01:32:32.801

somebody else. And, uh, I'll be making an announcement about

01:32:32.803 --> 01:32:34.936

making an announcement about who that person is at the next

01:32:34.938 --> 01:32:37.872

who that person is at the next meeting, so, um, let's see, we

01:32:37.874 --> 01:32:39.340

meeting, so, um, let's see, we talked about appointments, um,

01:32:39.342 --> 01:32:40.642

talked about appointments, um, for those of you with good 01:32:40.644 --> 01:32:42.110

for those of you with good memories who have been here in

01:32:42.112 --> 01:32:42.811

memories who have been here in previous Januaries, you may

01:32:42.813 --> 01:32:44.946

previous Januaries, you may remember that. Often we use

01:32:44.948 --> 01:32:46.381

remember that. Often we use this meeting as the

01:32:46.383 --> 01:32:47.349

this meeting as the organizational meeting for the

01:32:47.351 --> 01:32:51.719

organizational meeting for the year, and we, um, review and 01:32:51.721 --> 01:32:53.622

year, and we, um, review and adopt bylaws and adopt a work

01:32:53.624 --> 01:32:56.558

adopt bylaws and adopt a work plan for the coming year. Um,

01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:58.092

plan for the coming year. Um, this year we're going to delay

01:32:58.094 --> 01:33:01.095

this year we're going to delay that a bit. Um, I feel like we 01:33:01.097 --> 01:33:02.497

that a bit. Um, I feel like we should actually discuss the

01:33:02.499 --> 01:33:04.099

should actually discuss the work plan together, uh, and

01:33:04.101 --> 01:33:05.733

work plan together, uh, and have it be something that the

01:33:05.735 --> 01:33:06.434

have it be something that the commission has some input on,

01:33:06.436 --> 01:33:07.569

commission has some input on, so I didn't want to just throw

01:33:07.571 --> 01:33:09.704

so I didn't want to just throw it on the first agenda and, and

01:33:09.706 --> 01:33:11.572

it on the first agenda and, and rubber stamp it and move on. So, 01:33:11.574 --> 01:33:12.707

rubber stamp it and move on. So, um, I don't know what the exact

01:33:12.709 --> 01:33:14.509

um, I don't know what the exact timing that will be. it, it may

01:33:14.511 --> 01:33:15.843

timing that will be. it, it may not be till April, it may be

01:33:15.845 --> 01:33:17.846

not be till April, it may be before that. Uh, you also

01:33:17.848 --> 01:33:19.514

before that. Uh, you also recall that we do an annual

01:33:19.516 --> 01:33:20.448

recall that we do an annual report in the first few months 01:33:20.450 --> 01:33:22.417

report in the first few months of the year, so I'm thinking

01:33:22.419 --> 01:33:24.419

of the year, so I'm thinking we'll, we'll kind of dovetail

01:33:24.421 --> 01:33:25.853

we'll, we'll kind of dovetail those together, so we look at

01:33:25.855 --> 01:33:27.255

those together, so we look at last year, uh, what happened

01:33:27.257 --> 01:33:29.390

last year, uh, what happened and then talk about what's in

01:33:29.392 --> 01:33:30.658

and then talk about what's in what's happening in the coming 01:33:30.660 --> 01:33:32.927

what's happening in the coming year, um. Talk about what the

01:33:32.929 --> 01:33:33.728

year, um. Talk about what the city council has been talking

01:33:33.730 --> 01:33:35.463

city council has been talking about, about their priorities

01:33:35.465 --> 01:33:36.398

about, about their priorities and then come to what the work

01:33:36.400 --> 01:33:38.400

and then come to what the work plan is for the year. Um, so,

01:33:38.402 --> 01:33:39.067

plan is for the year. Um, so, and then, you know, just take

01:33:39.069 --> 01:33:40.568

and then, you know, just take care of the bylaws and all that, 01:33:40.570 --> 01:33:41.336

care of the bylaws and all that, all that stuff that we have to

01:33:41.338 --> 01:33:43.404

all that stuff that we have to do as well. So we didn't forget

01:33:43.406 --> 01:33:45.407

do as well. So we didn't forget about it, um, it's an

01:33:45.409 --> 01:33:46.140

about it, um, it's an intentional, intentional change.

01:33:46.142 --> 01:33:49.945

intentional, intentional change. Um, and then finally, uh, very

01:33:49.947 --> 01:33:52.614

Um, and then finally, uh, very exciting, um, um, 2 weeks from 01:33:52.616 --> 01:33:56.050

exciting, um, um, 2 weeks from tonight, uh, we have the first

01:33:56.052 --> 01:33:59.020

tonight, uh, we have the first open house for the Northwest

01:33:59.022 --> 01:33:59.987

open house for the Northwest growth area planning process,

01:33:59.989 --> 01:34:00.888

growth area planning process, um, this is something that, as 01:34:00.890 --> 01:34:01.957

um, this is something that, as you know, we've been talking

01:34:01.959 --> 01:34:04.759

you know, we've been talking about for a long time. It's

01:34:04.761 --> 01:34:06.894

about for a long time. It's finally underway, um, and there

01:34:06.896 --> 01:34:07.896

finally underway, um, and there are flyers over on the table

01:34:07.898 --> 01:34:09.230

are flyers over on the table over there. There's going to be

01:34:09.232 --> 01:34:10.565

over there. There's going to be an open house 2 weeks from 01:34:10.567 --> 01:34:13.034

an open house 2 weeks from tonight, the 22nd from 5 to 7

01:34:13.036 --> 01:34:14.569

tonight, the 22nd from 5 to 7 at the small business center at.

01:34:14.571 --> 01:34:17.972

at the small business center at. Um, Brooklyn Boulevard and West

01:34:17.974 --> 01:34:19.974

Um, Brooklyn Boulevard and West Broadway. Um, please attend,

01:34:19.976 --> 01:34:22.844

Broadway. Um, please attend, please help spread the word, um, 01:34:22.846 --> 01:34:25.179

please help spread the word, um, if you can't be there,

01:34:25.181 --> 01:34:25.780

if you can't be there, everything that's available

01:34:25.782 --> 01:34:26.714

everything that's available online or everything that's

01:34:26.716 --> 01:34:28.649

online or everything that's available at the open house

01:34:28.651 --> 01:34:29.316

available at the open house will be available online, but

01:34:29.318 --> 01:34:30.652

will be available online, but do try to come in person. It's 01:34:30.654 --> 01:34:31.986

do try to come in person. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be

01:34:31.988 --> 01:34:33.254

gonna be fun. It's gonna be catered with from local

01:34:33.256 --> 01:34:34.389

catered with from local restaurants, um, it's gonna be

01:34:34.391 --> 01:34:35.390

restaurants, um, it's gonna be it's gonna be great council

01:34:35.392 --> 01:34:36.457

it's gonna be great council member. Oh sorry, this isn't my

01:34:36.459 --> 01:34:39.794

member. Oh sorry, this isn't my meeting, this is your meeting.

01:34:39.796 --> 01:34:45.633

meeting, this is your meeting. Sure. Yes. Thank you. Um, so, 01:34:45.635 --> 01:34:47.135

Sure. Yes. Thank you. Um, so, quick question on that. So then

01:34:47.137 --> 01:34:48.503

quick question on that. So then will this meeting still take

01:34:48.505 --> 01:34:49.738

will this meeting still take place then 2 weeks from tonight?

01:34:49.740 --> 01:34:51.072

place then 2 weeks from tonight? Right, so that would be our 01:34:51.074 --> 01:34:52.607

Right, so that would be our work session night. We, we,

01:34:52.609 --> 01:34:54.342

work session night. We, we, this, that will take the place

01:34:54.344 --> 01:34:55.609

this, that will take the place of the work session. We clearly

01:34:55.611 --> 01:34:56.678

of the work session. We clearly have things to talk about at

01:34:56.680 --> 01:34:57.879

have things to talk about at work sessions, so we will, uh,

01:34:57.881 --> 01:35:00.114

work sessions, so we will, uh, you know, we'll, you know, this, 01:35:00.116 --> 01:35:01.082

you know, we'll, you know, this, this whole discussion of

01:35:01.084 --> 01:35:01.816

this whole discussion of subdivisions, I think we, we

01:35:01.818 --> 01:35:04.019

subdivisions, I think we, we should talk about it, not about,

01:35:04.021 --> 01:35:04.953

should talk about it, not about, not about any particular

01:35:04.955 --> 01:35:08.556

not about any particular subdivision, but the topic, uh,

01:35:08.558 --> 01:35:10.024

subdivision, but the topic, uh, we have some, uh, we will bring 01:35:10.026 --> 01:35:11.359

we have some, uh, we will bring that forward to, to try to kind

01:35:11.361 --> 01:35:12.794

that forward to, to try to kind of work through that and the

01:35:12.796 --> 01:35:13.495

of work through that and the role of the commission. Uh, we

01:35:13.497 --> 01:35:15.096

role of the commission. Uh, we have we've been doing some

01:35:15.098 --> 01:35:16.631

have we've been doing some thinking as staff about what we

01:35:16.633 --> 01:35:18.499

thinking as staff about what we might recommend to you for, for,

01:35:18.501 --> 01:35:20.401

might recommend to you for, for, for changes about that role to 01:35:20.403 --> 01:35:21.436

for changes about that role to try to avoid these situations,

01:35:21.438 --> 01:35:22.937

try to avoid these situations, but let's not get into that now.

01:35:22.939 --> 01:35:23.972

but let's not get into that now. Um, we will have that

01:35:23.974 --> 01:35:25.774

Um, we will have that discussion at a at a coming

01:35:25.776 --> 01:35:28.676

discussion at a at a coming work session. So do plan on

01:35:28.678 --> 01:35:30.378

work session. So do plan on there being work sessions, um, 01:35:30.380 --> 01:35:32.380

there being work sessions, um, for a while, starting in

01:35:32.382 --> 01:35:34.682

for a while, starting in February, um. For things like

01:35:34.684 --> 01:35:36.384

February, um. For things like that, but also, you know,

01:35:36.386 --> 01:35:37.718

that, but also, you know, you'll recall on the 6, 10

01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:39.253

you'll recall on the 6, 10 corridor development study, we

01:35:39.255 --> 01:35:40.655

corridor development study, we had work sessions both with the 01:35:40.657 --> 01:35:41.555

had work sessions both with the planning commission but also

01:35:41.557 --> 01:35:43.124

planning commission but also jointly with the city council

01:35:43.126 --> 01:35:44.459

jointly with the city council on that work. I would, I

01:35:44.461 --> 01:35:45.893

on that work. I would, I envision us doing something

01:35:45.895 --> 01:35:47.395

envision us doing something similar for the Northwest

01:35:47.397 --> 01:35:48.930

similar for the Northwest Growth area plan uh to make

01:35:48.932 --> 01:35:50.131

Growth area plan uh to make sure that we're getting your 01:35:50.133 --> 01:35:52.333

sure that we're getting your direction and, and feedback on

01:35:52.335 --> 01:35:54.101

direction and, and feedback on that. So, work sessions are

01:35:54.103 --> 01:35:57.205

that. So, work sessions are back, uh, starting next month.

01:35:57.207 --> 01:36:04.345

back, uh, starting next month. No, that's. Just your Correct. 01:36:04.347 --> 01:36:06.280

No, that's. Just your Correct. All right, well you have

01:36:06.282 --> 01:36:13.555

All right, well you have something right, go ahead. 01:36:13.557 --> 01:36:15.156

something right, go ahead. Commissioner Borrows asked him

01:36:15.158 --> 01:36:15.823

Commissioner Borrows asked him about calendar invitations for

01:36:15.825 --> 01:36:16.491

about calendar invitations for all the meetings. We'll make

01:36:16.493 --> 01:36:18.093

all the meetings. We'll make sure we get those out. I know

01:36:18.095 --> 01:36:18.826

sure we get those out. I know that's helpful for, for some

01:36:18.828 --> 01:36:23.030

that's helpful for, for some folks, yeah. Yeah, question, um, 01:36:23.032 --> 01:36:27.368

folks, yeah. Yeah, question, um, in addition to, um, The

01:36:27.370 --> 01:36:28.870

in addition to, um, The Subdivision of lots. I'm

01:36:28.872 --> 01:36:31.506

Subdivision of lots. I'm wondering if we can also talk 01:36:31.508 --> 01:36:36.911

wondering if we can also talk about, uh, just Zoning around

01:36:36.913 --> 01:36:37.978

about, uh, just Zoning around required green space cause, you

01:36:37.980 --> 01:36:41.249

required green space cause, you know, uh, like me moved to 01:36:41.251 --> 01:36:42.249

know, uh, like me moved to Brooklyn Park because it was

01:36:42.251 --> 01:36:47.655

Brooklyn Park because it was very wooded area, very nature

01:36:47.657 --> 01:36:49.590

very wooded area, very nature friendly and with a lot of

01:36:49.592 --> 01:36:50.525

friendly and with a lot of developments, it just seems 01:36:50.527 --> 01:36:53.594

developments, it just seems like we're losing a lot of our

01:36:53.596 --> 01:36:55.896

like we're losing a lot of our green space and um. You know,

01:36:55.898 --> 01:36:58.933

green space and um. You know, how can we um talk about zoning

01:36:58.935 --> 01:37:05.273

how can we um talk about zoning around those types of things. 01:37:05.275 --> 01:37:09.944

around those types of things. All right, uh. Let me just say,

01:37:09.946 --> 01:37:13.948

All right, uh. Let me just say, uh, Paul, welcome back. We 01:37:13.950 --> 01:37:16.284

uh, Paul, welcome back. We missed you. Uh, glad to have

01:37:16.286 --> 01:37:18.886

missed you. Uh, glad to have you back and uh looking forward

01:37:18.888 --> 01:37:21.355

you back and uh looking forward to 2025 here, so. With that 01:37:21.357 --> 01:37:23.691

to 2025 here, so. With that said, uh, it's 8:37. We are